THE HERD - Hour 1 - Jayson Tatum's Return & Geno Smith's Release

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd (March 6, 2026)

Hour 1 – Jayson Tatum’s Return & Geno Smith’s Release

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of The Herd, guest-hosted by LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox, dives into two major stories dominating sports headlines: the highly-anticipated return of Jayson Tatum to the Boston Celtics lineup after a catastrophic Achilles injury, and the release of veteran quarterback Geno Smith by the Las Vegas Raiders. The hosts examine the unique pressures driving Tatum’s early comeback and what it means for the Celtics’ franchise hierarchy, then shift to an analysis of Geno Smith’s NFL journey, the Raiders’ ongoing dysfunction, and the implications for the quarterback market and team rebuilds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jayson Tatum’s Return to the Celtics (04:41–22:46)

Context and Surprise Return

• Tatum returns less than 10 months after tearing his Achilles—a recovery timeline faster than expected.
• The Celtics have thrived in his absence, led by Jaylen Brown, currently 2nd in the Eastern Conference (04:41–05:31).

Star Hierarchies & Franchise Dynamics

• LaVar: When a franchise player goes down and the team excels regardless, it triggers a “moment of truth” in team identity.
• “This team is second in the Eastern Conference... it has emerged that Jaylen Brown could be the new face and franchise player for this Celtics team. So now Jayson Tatum is tasked with... coming back as quickly as possible before you realize that the value of you being the franchise guy all but dissipates.” —LaVar Arrington (05:31–07:52)

Comparison to Other Achilles Injuries

• Jonas points to Damian Lillard and Tyrese Halliburton, noting they’re not rushing back because their teams “are awful.” By contrast, the Celtics’ unexpected contention intensifies pressure for Tatum to return (07:52–10:02).
• The Celtics lost key veterans (Al Horford, Jrue Holiday, Kristaps Porzingis) aiming to get under the salary cap’s second apron, furthering the sense that this season would be a “throwaway year” until the team’s surprising success (08:28–10:02).

Celtics’ Identity Crisis: Is This Jaylen Brown’s Team Now?

• LaVar: “[Is] it go back to Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown or does it stay Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum, and insert Jayson Tatum? ... Jaylen Brown's name is in the conversation for league MVP this year.” (10:02–14:09)
• LaVar discusses how injuries can precipitate a changing of the guard in franchises (i.e., Klay Thompson/Steph Curry in Golden State).

Tatum’s Motivation & Achilles Recovery Reality

• Jonas questions how much of Tatum’s return is personal pride versus team pressure, asking LaVar about playing post-Achilles injury.
• LaVar reflects on his own Achilles tear: “That thing had a grown man in tears, bro. I limped for two or three years after I got that surgery... It’s a difficult injury to come back from and be effective like you once were, let alone come back in an abbreviated amount of time.” (14:52–16:57)

Debate: Why Did Tatum Heal So Fast?

• The hosts discuss a Reggie Miller claim that Tatum’s “super-fast” surgery (within 24 hours) prevented his body from realizing the trauma, referencing Miller’s comments on The Dan Patrick Show (16:57–19:11).
• LaVar is skeptical: “The body is way more intelligent than any doctor who will ever work on you.” (18:08)

The Franchise Pressure Narrative

• Both hosts agree: Tatum’s accelerated return is mostly due to the team’s success without him, not some medical miracle.
• Jonas: “If they were 500, if they were below 500, I don’t think there’s a shot in hell he could.” (19:12–21:09)

Analogies: Franchise Shifts Post-Injury

• Brief comparisons to Nick Foles/Carson Wentz, Klay/Steph: when an injured franchise player’s backup finds success, it can permanently alter a team's hierarchy (21:09–22:34).
• “Jalen Brown is a number one guy on 90% of NBA team[s]... When they won their title, who was the MVP of those finals? Jalen Brown.” —Jonas Knox (22:29–22:33)
• “I’m the captain now.” —LaVar Arrington on the looming change in Celtics leadership (22:46).

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2. Geno Smith Released by the Raiders & The Ongoing Vegas “Rebuild” (28:43–44:44)

The End of the Geno Smith-Pete Carroll (Raiders) Experiment

• Jonas: “Highlights for Geno Smith include... There you go.” — Jon sarcastically alluding to underachievement (29:19)
• The Pete Carroll–Geno Smith reunion in Vegas was, in hindsight, never going to succeed given the direction of both men’s previous franchise, Seattle (29:43–31:18).

Geno Smith’s Career Arc—Resurrected, Then Doomed by Dysfunction

• LaVar notes Geno’s comeback: “A lot of players who enter the league and play for a dysfunctional organization... find themselves in the abyss... I’m one of them. So when you look at what Geno Smith was able to do in resurrecting his career...” (31:18–33:44)
• Both agree Smith has likely “cashed in” as a backup veteran, but “he is not the focal point blame of the Raiders and their lack of success” (33:53–34:35).
• LaVar: “You cannot expect talent to outperform dysfunction. Can’t happen. And the Las Vegas Raiders are one of the best examples of that statement.” (35:30)

Raiders’ Quarterback Situation & Team-Building Philosophy

• Jonas details reporting: if the Raiders draft Fernando Mendoza #1, their “preference is to not start him immediately” (36:46).
• The crew questions the logic behind drafting a QB #1 and not playing him. LaVar: “If you’re a #1 draft pick, you’re being drafted to play right away... If you’re not putting him in, you’re saying he’s not good enough to play day one.” (41:54)

The Broader Rebuild Discussion

• Both hosts argue that Vegas is not “rebuilding,” but “building from scratch,” given chronic dysfunction (39:53–41:54).
• Greg Tuohy notes the value of letting a rookie QB play from the start, referencing Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning’s losing rookie years (42:16).

Raiders’ Draft Philosophy

• “If this is the approach, you’re going to be awful... What’s with this ball? We really want... If you are taking this approach and acknowledging you’re going to suck for a year, why are you haggling over dealing Max Crosby?” —Jonas (38:58–39:53)

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3. The Herdline News Segment & Other Sports Notes (49:45–54:12)

World Baseball Classic & Shohei Ohtani’s Heroics

• Shohei Ohtani hits a grand slam in Japan’s 13–0 victory over Taiwan, showing midseason form (50:01–50:42).
• Jonas and LaVar riff on risk of injuries in international competitions, referencing Mets closer Edwin Diaz’s 2023 injury celebrating a win (50:58–51:16).

LeBron James Surpasses Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

• LeBron breaks the record for most made field goals in NBA history.
• JJ Redick’s analogy: “LeBron’s greatest hits, he just plays and plays, and the greatest hits... he’s got a hell of a catalog.” (52:00–52:31)
• Jonas: “People will not recognize and acknowledge how great he is until he’s long gone... His durability and his production. Unmatched. Completely unmatched.” (53:03–53:25)
• LaVar, playfully bewildered by JJ’s Springsteen analogy: “I just didn’t understand... I was a tad bit confused. Huh? Sorry.” (53:32)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Jaylen Brown’s name is in the conversation for league MVP this year.” —LaVar Arrington (12:24)
• “That thing had a grown man in tears, bro. I limped for like two, three years after I got that surgery… it is very difficult, and it is time-consuming.” —LaVar on Achilles recovery (14:52)
• “The body is way more intelligent than any doctor that will ever work on you.” —LaVar Arrington, doubting Reggie Miller’s quick-surgery healing theory (18:08)
• “I don’t think there’s a shot in hell he could [have returned] if they were 500 or below.” —Jonas Knox on Tatum’s early return (19:12)
• “If you’re a number one draft pick, you’re being drafted to play right away… If you’re not putting him in, then you’re saying he’s not good enough to play day one.” —LaVar Arrington (41:54)
• “You cannot expect talent to outperform dysfunction. Can’t happen. The Las Vegas Raiders are one of the best examples of that statement.” —LaVar (35:30)
• “People will not recognize and acknowledge how great [LeBron] is until he’s long gone…His durability and his production. Unmatched.” —Jonas Knox (53:03)

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Section Timestamps

• Jayson Tatum’s Return Discussion: 04:41–22:46
• Geno Smith & Raiders QB Situation: 28:43–44:44
• World Baseball Classic & LeBron’s Record: 49:45–54:12

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Tone & Style

The interplay between Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington is humorous and opinionated, mixing analytical breakdowns with sharp, relatable analogies. The hosts take deep dives into player psychology and franchise narratives while keeping the energy light, often riffing off each other and their producer with rapid-fire quips and topical side jokes.

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Summary

Hour 1 delivers a thorough look at how winning without a star stirs unexpected pressures, why franchise hierarchies aren't always permanent, and how teams' public signals during a rebuild can impact the careers and mindsets of both veterans and rookies. The episode blends sports medicine skepticism, strategic criticism, and trademark Herd candor, making it a must-listen for fans intrigued by the drama behind the box scores.

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[LaVar Arrington]

Now let's get this party started.

[Jonas Knox]

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Hey.

[Jonas Knox]

And away we go on a Friday. It's the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. But no Colin. It is lavar Arrington and Jonas Knox sitting in for Colin and crew. You can hear lavar and myself alongside Brady Quinn weekday mornings on Fox sports radio on two pros and a cup of joe, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific. But today we take you live all the way up until 3 Eastern Noon Pacific. If you are listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so. And we are off and running on this Friday. What up, Sticks?

[LaVar Arrington]

Hey, we're awake, sir.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

[LaVar Arrington]

Doing a show in the daylight.

[Jonas Knox]

And man, you, you rap bastards in your six to seven hours sleep a night. You guys got it good.

[LaVar Arrington]

Real good.

[Jonas Knox]

You got it good. No 1am Wake up call for us. Little bit of Traffic on the 101 405, but we are rocking and rolling here. We'll take it and ready to go. And since we are back in this chair and it's been a little while, it's appropriate we talk about somebody who is also back. Jason tatum, less than 10 months after suffering the Achilles tear in the playoff game against the New York Knicks, will be in the lineup for the Boston Celtics coming up later on tonight against the Dallas Mavericks. I know, lavar, you've dealt with the Achilles issue before. I'm kind of surprised that he's back this soon. But here we go with the return of Jason Tatum to an already really good Boston Celtics team who probably didn't expect they were going to be in this spot at this point in the year.

[LaVar Arrington]

A really good Jalen Brown led Boston Celtics team, we should add. And listen, I look at it like this. The, the, the professional, even just any type of competition, right? College, pro, even high school, when you've established yourself as the guy, you're the franchise, things are handled a certain type of way you do things, a certain type of way you're treated a certain type of way. The, the respect factor is very different. When you get injured, there's a moment of truth, right? It either solidifies, further solidifies your efforts that you've put forth as a healthy player and how the team has been able to accomplish. And, and when that, that, that participation is gone due to an injury, it either shows. Yup. Jayson Tatum is the reason why we were able to win. We got a championship world title. We, we're set for, for the future. Right? You got a sidekick and, and Jaylen Brown, but Jason Tatum is the guy. Jason Tatum goes down, but yet this team is second in the Eastern Conference. They're 70, what, 41, 41 and 21 on the season. And they're in great position to make a deep run in the NBA playoffs. It has emerged that Jalen Brown could be in the conversation of being the, the new face and franchise player for this Celtics team. So now Jason Tatum is tasked with not only coming back and playing, but now he may be saddled with the pressure of coming back as quickly as he possibly can before you realize that the value of you being the franchise guy all but dissipates fully from the situation.

[Jonas Knox]

It's a really interesting call by Boston, by Tatum, because if they weren't this good, I wonder if this is even a conversation because if you look at two other examples around the league, Damian Lillard and Tyrese Halliburton both tore their Achilles in the playoffs last year. There's not even a thought that they're going to come back because those two teams are awful. Okay? The highlight of the Blazers season thus far was a guy with the ruptured Achilles winning the three point contest.

[LaVar Arrington]

Which by the way, he, he went back to the Blazers, right? Considering that he tore it somewhere else and they didn't need them there.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. So, so the two highlights for the Blazers this year, not to, not to call out the Blazers fan base, but your two highlights are an injured guy winning the three point contest and your coach involved in some poker scheme. Okay, so like, you got card counters and three point shootout winners. You don't have a good team. All right, maybe, maybe a little bit better than expected. And then Indiana is awful. Okay, whatever happened last year in Indiana, they are the diaper fire of the East. They might finish with the worst record in the league. And so the Pacers and Blazers are like, hey, guys, take your time. Take this. Take your time. You know, we've got a legitimate excuse this year. We're terrible. All of a sudden, Boston starts out the year and it's like, whoa, nobody thought this was going to happen. There was the, the feeling was, hey man, it's a throwaway year. And it's not even just the Jayson Tatum stuff. Al Horford, gone. Drew Holiday, gone. Christoph Sportsingis, gone. Those were all key members of the title team just a couple of years ago, but they were trying to get below the second apron, so they just said, hey man, these are, these are salary cap casualties is what it is. This isn't our year. Our best player is gone. We'll just roll out. We'll try and compete as hard as we can. Maybe we'll sneak in and be a seven or an eight team. We'll be in the play in tournament, we'll whatever. But we're just going to roll this season and really going to focus on 20, 27. And then all of a sudden they're this through 60 plus games. And I just wonder, are you making this decision if not for the fact that this team's a legitimate title contender? Especially with Tatum back?

[LaVar Arrington]

It's again, the points you make are accurate points. Right. The teams that you're discussing, they aren't competitive teams. You look at this Celtics team and where they were at and the conversations that were, were ensuing, that were taking place in real time, it was always Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Yep. And being in second place, Jason. Jason Tatum is not available all season long and Jalen Brown is, is averaging, what is it, 20, 29 points, 7 rebounds per game. And, and they're atop the Eastern Eastern Conference. So there, there's second. Second place. If you're looking at where things go from here on out, does it go back to Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown or does it stay Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and insert Jason Tatum? That. I think that that is a very real conversation. I think the Celtics feel confident about where they're at outside of there being some really, really big names like SGA is in pole position to get MVP Again, you're seeing what if I don't know if y' all watched Wimby last night, but Wimby is balling, man.

[Jonas Knox]

I saw him hanging out outside of a car dealership. There was some sale going on.

[LaVar Arrington]

Wendy's foot is as long as this desk. His foot is as long as this desk. We're sitting at doing this.

[Jonas Knox]

Him and Chad Holmgren should just go as wind puppets for Halloween the next 70 years. Just do that costume covered, cheap, inexpensive, throw some drapes on and let it. Let's call it a day.

[LaVar Arrington]

Wemby takes two steps.

[Jonas Knox]

His.

[LaVar Arrington]

His foot. The tip of his toe from getting a rebound is at mid court in two steps.

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

The tip of his toe is at mid court and two steps. Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

He doesn't have one skis.

[LaVar Arrington]

They're talking about Michael Jordan and Dr. J doing dunks from. From the free throw line. Wimby's toe, he in his reach. He could probably move it back to, I don't know, mid court.

[Producer/Show Announcer]

Oh, of course.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

We're going to start seeing Wemby take off and he's going to do the dunk cont. Going to take off from mid court and dunk the ball like that. Never seen before on his ass long, bro. And. And his foot's still going to be on the ground at mid court when. When he takes off, he just super stretch. Outside of these high profile guys being up for the mvp, Jaylen Brown's name is in the conversation for league MVP this year. Some have him as high as 2. DeMarcus Cousins has gone on record says he's as high as the second best player in. In the NBA all the way up to six to eight. Where his name falls in terms of best player mvp. But if we're being real, if we're being real, does Jaylen Brown have the same supporting cast that SGA does? Does he have the same supporting cast as what Wi. Wim Yama has? I would say no. You just mentioned some. Horford's gone. Jason Tatum hasn't been around there. There's. There's a different group of people. It's a new group of people this season for the Celtics, and yet they're playing at a high level, which would lead to the conversation of is he the most valuable player to his team? Maybe they're not the best team, but they're certainly up there with the best teams. So you can use the criteria that they have a really competitive team, a good team that's ranked high because you have to win for them to consider you a mvp. And now you See Jason Tatum sitting back watching like, I can't let the ship get too far. He's swimming, bro.

[Producer/Show Announcer]

It ain't.

[LaVar Arrington]

It ain't, Doc.

[Jonas Knox]

Well, that's what I wonder.

[LaVar Arrington]

It's not boarding the ship. That ship has sailed. But can he catch it and can he board this ship and. And reestablish himself for what it was that he once was before the injury?

[Jonas Knox]

And that's what I wonder is, does he feel like. Like, if they were, you know, a 500 team, is he in any rush to get back? No, no. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. And I can understand the approach of, well, if you're doing this good without him, why would you even force the issue? But I wonder how much of this is him? How much of this is Tatum going, man, I. I want back in. Like, I. And. And that's why I asked, because you went through the Achilles.

[LaVar Arrington]

What, retired?

[Jonas Knox]

Like, yeah, like, what does that look like?

[LaVar Arrington]

That thing had a grown man in tears, bro. And I got a pretty high pain threshold. And I limped. I limped for, like, two, three years after I got that surgery. Like, it was a very pain. I've been through some painful things. I.

[Jonas Knox]

Was it a murder circle action?

[LaVar Arrington]

Both.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

You know, both. Both a lean and a limp, you know? Cause when you. Yeah, when you moving around with that hammer, sometimes you lean and sometimes you limp. But this one in particular was based off of me limping because my Achilles tendon was really tight. It was really sore, and it just felt like if you. If you don't know what it feels like to injure a apart as important as your Achilles, you realize it after. And I likened it to, like, air and attire. I didn't realize you could say, okay, air and attire for your. Your feet and for your legs, but it really felt like the bounce and the reactiveness of my foot was gone. It was gone. Like. Like the movement of how you pop off of your toes and on your foot and that. That torque that goes through the bottom of your leg, into your calf muscle and then shoot your quads and then back into the glutes. It was gone. It was gone.

[Jonas Knox]

And.

[LaVar Arrington]

And so you have to figure out. Many have done it. I mean, it's very commonplace to come back from that type of injury and that type of procedure. Many have done it, but it is very difficult, and it is time consuming. It's almost as time consuming, and it's almost. I mean, it's the biggest. I believe it's the biggest ligament in your body. Your acl I mean, your, your, your Achilles tendon, it's the biggest tendon in your body. And, and, and it's just. That's a difficult injury to come back from and be effective like you once were, let alone come back in an abbreviated amount of time to do so.

[Jonas Knox]

We're going to catch up with Dr. David Chow coming up later on as soon as he gets done sparring Ryan Leaf at an octagon somewhere, whenever that gets. Gets figured out. But, but I bring that up because Reggie Miller was on the Dan Patrick show, which you can hear on many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates, and he sort of explained the reasoning why some feel that Tatum is also coming back sooner than a Tyrese Halliburton and a Dame Lillard. Let's take a listen. The best thing, if there was, knock

[LaVar Arrington]

on wood, the best thing when he tore his Achilles in game five, I

[Jonas Knox]

believe in New York that the doctor was right there, that they attached it right away. And the thinking was the body didn't

[LaVar Arrington]

even know that it had that traumatic experience.

[Jonas Knox]

That's how quickly, within 24 hours, they had the surgery on the Achilles.

[LaVar Arrington]

So that's why he is so far

[Jonas Knox]

ahead of schedule versus the Damian Lillard or Tyrese Halliburton is because they had

[LaVar Arrington]

the surgery within 24 hours. You're not buying. You're not buying that?

[Jonas Knox]

What are you?

[LaVar Arrington]

Hell no.

[Jonas Knox]

You're not a Reggie Miller md. You're not gonna buy his thought process there.

[LaVar Arrington]

First of all, the body is way more intelligent than any doctor that will ever work on you.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. And looking at Jason Tatum after the injury, it sure seemed like his body knew what was going on. I'll be honest with you.

[LaVar Arrington]

Don't give it time to know that it's torn like, like, like. Then just finish the game.

[Jonas Knox]

You look like the guy going through the wood chipper on Fargo.

[LaVar Arrington]

How much time is that, that you have that has to. To. To. To elapse before your body knew that that's your dad. You know, like, hey, hey, just give him some mouth to mouth before he realized that he died.

[Jonas Knox]

You know, that's a theory.

[LaVar Arrington]

I love Reggie Miller, but I'm not in on this one. I'm not. You heard Dan, like, oh, really?

[Producer/Show Announcer]

Like, huh?

[LaVar Arrington]

Like a hand cut.

[Jonas Knox]

Go to break.

[LaVar Arrington]

Reggie is. He's officially lost it.

[Jonas Knox]

And that's, you know, and he's passing the message on from whatever, you know, was said on the documentary. I just look. And people heal differently and people heal faster.

[LaVar Arrington]

That is true. People heal differently.

[Jonas Knox]

Adrian Peterson came back from that knee injury in, in what? And was like, there was no difference between when he came back from knee injury and when he didn't, other than, you know, not being able to keep his left hand. A scuffle after a poker game. But that, again, we're not bringing up the old stuff, but so there's different. People heal differently. I understand that timelines can be a little different. It just feels like a lot of this was sped up because of how the team is done without him. If they were 500, if they were below 500, I don't think there's a shot in hell he could.

[LaVar Arrington]

That would have been a better question to ask Reggie Miller. That would have been a better question. Like, didn't that happen with Clay and Steph Curry? Wasn't Klay Thompson the main dude? And then in some, some way, somehow, I don't know if injury was connected to it, but didn't Steph Curry, like, take the reins? Like, they, you know, like, became the main guy and it never changed, never turned back. He became the franchise guy. He became the, the face of the franchise legend, hall of Famer, goat. There's not going to be a better player that has ever played for the Golden State warriors than Golden State. Yeah, Golden State warriors, then Steph Curry. So I, I think this is a necessity move. Whether that's the entirety of it. I, I doesn't have to be untrue that he wants to come back and he wants to play, of course. But if you're not going to add into the equation the amount of pressure mounting on Jason Tatum, looking at this Jaylen Brown led team. Like, imagine if Michael Jordan went out and was injured due to a ACL or Achilles tendon injury. And while he's out, Scotty Pippen is just going nuts.

[Jonas Knox]

Look at, look at the Nick Foles, Carson Wentz stuff. Carson Wentz was never the same.

[LaVar Arrington]

It was never the same.

[Jonas Knox]

Like, he always.

[LaVar Arrington]

He don't have a, he don't have a statue and he was on that team.

[Jonas Knox]

That knee, any injury that he suffered against the Rams at the Coliseum, which by the way is an outhouse, or at least it was back then. But that injury he suffered at the Coliseum, that changed the course of his career. Because where is he?

[LaVar Arrington]

Where is he now?

[Jonas Knox]

I think he's in Minnesota.

[LaVar Arrington]

Is he. He's still in the league.

[Jonas Knox]

I think there it is. Because I think he always felt like, wow, I was on track to be an MVP and potentially a Super bowl champion as a starter and maybe a Super bowl mvp. And instead My backup went in there and did it. He was, I don't think he ever got over that, bro.

[LaVar Arrington]

They call the place Went Sylvania. Yeah, there was a moment in time where they said went Sylvania. That's how well he was doing that season. You couldn't grow any more hype and excitement around the player. So you're 100% spot on in that, that, that reference. And need I say, Jalen Brown is a number one guy on 90% of

[Jonas Knox]

the NBA team and also, by the way, when they won their title, who was the MVP of those finals?

[LaVar Arrington]

Jalen Brown.

[Jonas Knox]

So, like, it's not, it's not as if, you know, this is a real surprise, but it does, it does bring up an interesting dynamic of, hey, man, what is that? What does that look like?

[LaVar Arrington]

I'm the captain of this ship now, player. Hey, my ship now.

[Jonas Knox]

I'm the captain now.

[LaVar Arrington]

I'm the captain now.

[Jonas Knox]

It is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. He's lavar Arrington. I'm Jonas Knox in for Colin. We will have the Herdline news coming up later on. As mentioned earlier, Dr. David Chao is going to stop by. We're going to get his thoughts on the situation involving Jason Tate and some other stuff around, uh, the NFL as well, too, some injured stars, what their value really looks like on the trade market, so on and so forth. All of it is yours here on this three hour extravaganza. Up next though, apparently a team has a plan in place when it comes to quarterback that you don't see a lot of these days. Find out what it is here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

[LaVar Arrington]

Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio. And in addition to hearing us live weeknights from 7 to 10pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show. That's right, you can now watch the Odd Couple Live on YouTube every day. All you gotta do, search Odd Couple FSR on YouTube again. YouTube. Just search Odd Couple FSR. Check us out on YouTube and subscribe.

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[Jonas Knox]

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[LaVar Arrington]

N Segregation in the day, integration at night.

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[LaVar Arrington]

We didn't worry about what was going on outside. It was like stepping in another world.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Inside Charlie's place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[Narrator/Announcer]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's place, a story that was nearly lost to time until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jonas Knox]

You guys gotta grow up, man. Get it together. Yeah, it's a professional show here. Ill enough farting around. All right.

[LaVar Arrington]

Pun intended.

[Jonas Knox]

Grow up. All right, coming up, here it is, the herd on Fox sports Radio. Lavar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin and crew. In about 20 minutes from now, we are going to have another edition of the herd line news. That'll be yours right here on fsr. But we do have some news out of the NFL and what a run it was. Geno Smith's been released by the Las Vegas Raiders. Highlights for Geno Smith include. Lavar. Go ahead. There you go.

[LaVar Arrington]

Highlights from this season. Okay. There you go.

[Jonas Knox]

You know, I get the look. Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold. Because I want to be. I want to be kind about this because I like Geno Smith. All right? He seems like. He seems like a good guy from everything I've heard. But, you know, maybe not. Maybe, you know, he had something to do with Chip Kelly getting clipped and blamed for everything.

[LaVar Arrington]

Maybe Chip Kelly had something to do with getting clipped.

[Jonas Knox]

I mean, you know, that could be that, too, but I think everybody deserved probably a little bit of blame there. But the Geno Smith, Pete Carroll decision by the Raiders. Ill advised. Based on. Based on what happened last year and I know that I get the thought process behind it. It was, you know, Geno Smith and. And Pete Carroll have a great relationship. Pete Carroll helped revitalize Geno Smith's career when he got to Seattle. They did some really good things. And the thought was, all right, well, let's bring him here and let's pair these guys back up together. And if you just look at what happened to Seattle this year, where there was a clear decision to move on from Pete Carroll, there was a clear decision to move on from Geno Smith. And I said at the time, I didn't really understand what the difference was between Geno Smith and. And Sam Darnold. And just to see the way that this turned out in Las Vegas, just a brutal experience for everybody involved to where they looked like they got worse every year. And the thought was, well, you can't do worse than Antonio Pierce. No. Upon further review, that wasn't Antonio Pierce problem. All right. There was just issues there because that team stunk. And so now Geno Smith finds himself, you know, on the market. You know, we'll probably get picked up somewhere else. Made a good amount of cash there in Las Vegas with the Raiders. But the Geno Smith era in Las Vegas ends as he is released by the Raiders earlier today.

[LaVar Arrington]

11 years. How long has he been in the league? He's been in the league a long time. Yeah, listen, he. He got comeback player of the year. He was able to make a Pro bowl, and I believe 23, 20, 22, 23, 23. He has done well for himself as a player. A lot of. A lot of players who enter the NFL, enter the league and play for a dysfunctional organization. It's very rare that you see them have great careers. In fact, most of them disappear, and you never hear of. They go to football purgatory or find themselves in the abyss of. Of a failing NFL career. I'll raise my hand. I'm. I'm one of them. So. So when you look at what Geno Smith was able to do in resurrecting his career, getting to Seattle and being a part of the re. Research resurgence of and the setup of where the Seattle Seahawks would eventually get to a year removed from him and. And going. And winning a Super Bowl,

[Producer/Show Announcer]

I don't

[LaVar Arrington]

think he has anything to be ashamed of.

[Jonas Knox]

And.

[LaVar Arrington]

And when you look at the success they were able to have. Geez. What they were able to do in Seattle together, him and Pete Carroll. Again, Pete Carroll had a horrible season as a head coach. Geno Smith did not have a Great year as a qb. Both are now gone from the team. And then. And I would say again, what's next for Geno Smith? Is it, is it a wrap? Is it go somewhere and be a backup? Does he still have an opportunity to be a starter in this league? It's potentially maybe through injury. I don't think he goes to another team as the, the, the, the starter of the team. You're not going into the marketplace. Even as poor of a free agency class as this is this year, you're not going into the marketplace as being sought after as a starting quarterback. I, I would, I would assume that again. I mean, we're. It's just me and you today. Maybe it's safe for me to assume and not get reprimanded for assuming.

[Producer/Show Announcer]

Okay.

[LaVar Arrington]

With my opinion that that would be what it now. I mean, what do you think? What do you think? I mean, are you, are you looking at him as a starter on the free agent?

[Jonas Knox]

No, definitely not. But, but if you're Geno Smith, I mean, you know, maybe not the worst experience in the world. Just. I mean, listen, the team was awful. I mean just a dreadful, dreadful team to watch. But you know, he got a two year, $75 million extension when he, when he got there. So the Raiders, you know, he made, he made some good money as I mentioned, and he's going to be out there and, and he's, he's at least to this point in his career, a solid veteran backup. Who. Man, those guys in the NFL you can cash checks for years.

[LaVar Arrington]

Sure. And he's not, let's be clear, he is not the focal point blame of the Raiders and their, and their lack of success.

[Jonas Knox]

No, it was a real group effort.

[LaVar Arrington]

You gave, you gave the examples of the coaching staffs and the people have come through. There's also a litany of players that have also come through there that could have made them better, a better team. Again, I say this on our show. You listen to two pros and cup of Joe when you get the opportunity to. It's a little early, but on the east coast it's right on time for you getting into work. I always say you cannot expect talent to outperform dysfunction. Can't happen. Some people say like some people have stated and given examples of, okay, this was a dysfunctional team. They were able to win. I, I do not subscribe to the fact or idea that talent can outperform dysfunction. And, and the, the Las Vegas Raiders are one of the best examples of that statement.

[Jonas Knox]

It's why you Never hear of a golfer who grew up poor. You know what I mean? Really? Yeah. What golfers growing up poor. You know, they've been in country clubs their whole life.

[LaVar Arrington]

You know, listen, I never gave it that much money.

[Jonas Knox]

You know, I mean, there's two different golfers. There's those guys, and then there's like, me and my son who we just do mini putt.

[LaVar Arrington]

So, John, y' all aren't poor. So there's. There's that.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, well, your.

[LaVar Arrington]

Your son isn't growing up poor.

[Jonas Knox]

Well, I mean, it depends. Depends? It depends. You saw what I drove in this morning with.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's by choice.

[Jonas Knox]

The grill's falling off, but that's by choice. One side is falling apart.

[LaVar Arrington]

Your wife is driving. Show me what your wife is driving.

[Jonas Knox]

Well, no, I will. There's a lawnmower in the back right now. I can't bring it out here. So with that being said, driving more stupid.

[LaVar Arrington]

Is the blade on there still?

[Jonas Knox]

That's a solid joke that the four people got. But with that being said, there was an update to the Raiders plan at quarterback because it clearly doesn't involve Geno Smith, who's going to be released. As we mentioned, Diana Rossini of the athletic reports that if the Raiders continue to lean toward drafting Fernando Mendoza with the number one pick in April's draft, their preference is to not start him immediately. Look for Vegas to bring in a veteran quarterback and free agency.

[LaVar Arrington]

And who would that be? That would be better than Geno Smith?

[Jonas Knox]

Well, not to me. Cheaper than Geno Smith. I would say. Okay, I don't Garoppolo, but maybe that might be a little too expensive. I don't. I mean, look, they. They can go down this road.

[LaVar Arrington]

Is that is. I mean, I.

[Jonas Knox]

Look, I'm just bringing like. I don't know. I'm just throwing out there. Really. That's where we go. Well, think about it this way. If they're saying we're not starting Vegas, I don't know.

[LaVar Arrington]

He's too good looking.

[Jonas Knox]

Well, I mean, he's been there before.

[LaVar Arrington]

Exactly.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. He's probably got.

[LaVar Arrington]

He's still too good looking.

[Jonas Knox]

Probably got some tabs.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Maybe.

[LaVar Arrington]

Maybe his habits are still bad habits. You got to develop. Break, break, break. Bad habits develop going on.

[Jonas Knox]

If there's a place to go to, to kind of blend in, that's the spot. If you're going to take a certain

[LaVar Arrington]

somebody out because you're going anyway.

[Greg Tuohy]

But.

[LaVar Arrington]

So you might as well have other things to do while you're there.

[Jonas Knox]

So I wonder this if they're if their preference is we don't want Fernando Mendoza starting right away, which is kind of wild considering he'll be the number one pick. If that's the case, then this really is a full blown tear down build up. This is a rebuild. So if that's the case.

[LaVar Arrington]

Am I, am I missing something here? If you're going to draft Fernando Mendoza number one overall, your team stinks. You just got rid of the court, the quarterback, you just got rid of the coaching staff. You just added new ownership. You got the new ownership juggernaut and Tom Brady, his guy is running things personnel wise there. Why would you not start your number one overall draft pick at quarterback day one.

[Jonas Knox]

So, so what they're saying give me

[LaVar Arrington]

some, give me some Clari on and so why would your plan not. You're preserving him for when and, and so for what.

[Jonas Knox]

And, and that's why my thought on it goes, all right, if, if this is the case and you're acknowledging this is a full blown rebuild, then save

[LaVar Arrington]

that man's career and draft somebody. Draft somebody else. Let somebody else know what I getting.

[Jonas Knox]

So, so what I'm saying is if this is the case and you're acknowledging this is a full blown rebuild, why are you haggling over dealing Max Crosby? Like what's, what's the point? If, if you are, if you're taking this approach and you're acknowledging much value

[LaVar Arrington]

as you can get.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. And maybe you don't get what you would get from Micah Parsons, which you shouldn't because he's 29 and coming off an injury. If it's a one and a mid round pick and maybe a player somebody wants to part with, take the deal and move on, man. Like, if this is the approach, you're going to be awful. You're going to suck for a year at least. Again, if that's the case, what, what's with this ball? We really want. I get, I get you want to play it out in the media and kind of create a market for him, but the idea that they would want to bring him back and hope that he's a part of all this. Why would Max Crosby want to be a part of all this? Like this is the quarterback supposed to provide hope? And you're telling me we're going to go get a veteran and we're going to let him sit and watch as a number one pick.

[LaVar Arrington]

Let's first start with what you initially said and then we'll move from there. You said it. This initiates or this, this spells out rebuild. You have to lose the re in this. There's no. What are you rebuilding? You have to build this. This, this organization has been broken and dysfunctional for so long.

[Jonas Knox]

There's.

[LaVar Arrington]

You're not rebuilding from anything. You have to start over, foundationally speaking. Build your foundations, build your, your framework onto that foundation, then finish building out. You know, the, the interior, the exterior. Are you going stucco? Are you going brick? What are. I don't know.

[Jonas Knox]

I mean, thank God they're in Vegas. They build quick out there. If they were the Palisades Raiders, no shot.

[LaVar Arrington]

Well, I'll say this. If you build too quickly, it might be broken. It might not be what you need it to be. Sometimes it takes time. Game. Now again, now moving to the next topic of it. It does take time to build something. If you're building something, why would I not put my number one overall draft pick in there? To get meaningful reps, to get meaningful experience as the starting quarterback that we're hoping to be the franchise guy. Please don't give me the excuse because we don't want to ruin him. Because the bottom line is, is that is year two going to be the perfect time to put them in? Is year three the perfect time to put them in? And give me the reasoning why you're going to magically get better in year one of his tenure of his rookie contract. You're going to be that much better dramatically with him on the bench in year two. And not to mention, you're setting him up up for all kinds of scrutiny and bus conversation. If you're a number one draft pick, you're being drafted to play right away.

[Jonas Knox]

Yes.

[LaVar Arrington]

If you're a top draft pick, you're being drafted to play right away. So if you're not putting him in, then you're saying he's not good enough to play day one. If you're saying he's not good enough to play day one, then the media is going to jump all on that and, and put that out there. And then the fan base are going to jump on that and it's going to be all out there.

[Jonas Knox]

Let's go live to our I have a thought on Fernando Mendoza walking the streets of Las Vegas. Insider Greg Tuohy for the latest I

[Greg Tuohy]

do have a thought. And Lamar, you just nailed it because what was Troy Aikman's record his rookie year in Dallas?

[LaVar Arrington]

Don't remember.

[Greg Tuohy]

01 11.

[Jonas Knox]

Wow.

[Greg Tuohy]

You know what Peyton Manning's record was in Indy his first year?

[LaVar Arrington]

He struggled three and 13. Yeah, I remember.

[Greg Tuohy]

So guess what the Raiders are probably going to be very similar, but if you have the guy that you want and he's the franchise quarterback, you take them. You worry about next year. Next year.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's correct.

[Jonas Knox]

Caleb Williams, like, he did this. Like it. That's. And also, if there's going to be growing pains, I'd rather get him out of the way early. And, and look, worst case scenario, he's not good at least finding out. Yes.

[LaVar Arrington]

Like, what are you going to waste two, three years trying to find out? Now we know and it might be you that ruined them, but so what? You still found out that. Yes, we're still consistently ruining people's careers. I'm like, hey, moving on. It's like.

[Jonas Knox]

But no, they're like, hey, our plan is we're going to. We're going to draft Mendoza 1. We're going to sit him and let Charlie Whitehurst. Sorry.

[LaVar Arrington]

Talk about redefining the black hole as a. As a Raiders. Raiders player and a fan.

[Jonas Knox]

Plus, I'd also say this for, for somebody who seems. I don't. I don't know if naive is the right word, but to the real world. You think so? I don't know that I would want him with some extra time on his hands cruising the streets.

[LaVar Arrington]

I mean, he. By appearance, I'll just say that by appearance. And you're right. By appearance, he. He comes across as. As even more. I don't know, I mean, innocent than, Than our boy from Florida.

[Jonas Knox]

That I would.

[LaVar Arrington]

He's like, like, who's our guy?

[Jonas Knox]

Come on, Buckeye from Florida.

[LaVar Arrington]

We're never going to lose ever again after this. There you go. Yeah. He comes across as more innocent as Tim Deebo.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah. Because Timo is a meathead, too.

[LaVar Arrington]

But there's something there. There was something there.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

You don't get that something there with Fernando Mendoza.

[Jonas Knox]

I think if you, if you let him sit and he's. And he's not getting ready for the next game, you know, next thing you know, he's, you know, with Carrot Top and they've got a coffee table full of, you know, Ajax and they're trying to figure out what to do with this stuff. I just. I don't know, man.

[LaVar Arrington]

You gotta play them. If you're not. If you're not planning on playing them, you got. Then don't draft them. You gotta play. Yeah. Don't even take that back.

[Jonas Knox]

It is the. It is.

[LaVar Arrington]

Take it back.

[Jonas Knox]

Here on fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington. Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next here, though, it is another edition of the Herdline News, and it's yours right here on fsr.

[Producer/Show Announcer]

Be sure to catch live editions of

[Jonas Knox]

the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[LaVar Arrington]

day, integration at night.

[Narrator/Announcer]

When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

[LaVar Arrington]

We didn't worry about what was going on outside. It was like stepping in another world.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[Jonas Knox]

You saw the kkk.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[Narrator/Announcer]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Ambitious, well intentioned, ferocious and wealthy mother looks like in the black community this Women's History Month. The podcast Keep It Posit Sweetie celebrates the power of women choosing healing, purpose and faith. Even when life gets messy, love is not a destination.

[Jonas Knox]

You have to work on it every day.

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[Jonas Knox]

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[Jonas Knox]

It's the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up, top of the next hour. We're called a little over 10 minutes from now a win win in the National Football League. A rarity, but a win win for a couple of teams in the league. We'll get into that for you here on fsr. Before we get to another edition of the Herdline News, oh, a reminder to check out our brand new YouTube channel for our show. It's called Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. So just search Two Pros FSR on YouTube again. That's Two Pros FSR. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there. Hit the thumbs up icon and comment away. Let us know who on the show you agree with, who you think is wrong. But check out our new channel on YouTube again. Just search 2 pros FSR and subscribe. No, no, no, no.

[LaVar Arrington]

Turn on the news.

[Jonas Knox]

This is the Herdline news. Yeah, Greg Toohey.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Greg Tuohy]

What's up?

[LaVar Arrington]

Let's get to it.

[Greg Tuohy]

What is up, man? That's the first time I've ever Gotten a standing ovation for anything in my life.

[Jonas Knox]

Come on, Greg. How you doing, guy?

[Greg Tuohy]

Hey. Hey, guy.

[Jonas Knox]

Hey. Hey.

[Greg Tuohy]

The WBC is underway, guys. World Baseball Classic. Jonas is fired up. I'm hoping Lavar is too. But while many of us are sleeping.

[LaVar Arrington]

Why are you laughing? Why you laughing?

[Greg Tuohy]

Well, many of us were sleeping. Earlier today, Shohei Ohtani showed he's already in mid season form. Jump starting Japan's opening 13 nothing mercy opening win over Taiwan earlier today on Fox.

[Jonas Knox]

How about it?

[Producer/Show Announcer]

The two one.

[Jonas Knox]

Now Ohtani lights it up.

[LaVar Arrington]

It is gone. Oh, Tommy, of course.

[Jonas Knox]

And the token O is on fire.

[Greg Tuohy]

Grand slam for Otani. Listen, I love the wbc, Jonas. Like you, I think it's added another, another level of excitement for baseball. My only little issue is worrying about guys getting hurt. Like Jeremy Pena got hurt, broke his finger this week. For me that stinks. But, but how are we feeling about it?

[Jonas Knox]

Well, you remember Edwin Diaz got hurt celebrating. Yeah, so there was exactly, yeah, celebrating. And the Mets lost, lost him for the year. So. Yeah, I mean there's, there's always. You run the risk of that. I also wonder, you know, how many of these players from like Chinese Taipei are you going to see on a little league team come up here in a couple too.

[LaVar Arrington]

There was a classic that took place in the Dominican Republic where Penn State had a dramatic comeback victory over Indiana State. Mind you, I do pay attention to baseball.

[Jonas Knox]

No kidding.

[LaVar Arrington]

I know you laugh like, hey, that's out of Lamar's jurisdiction.

[Jonas Knox]

No, let me tell you something. Listen, you posted a picture on your social media of a Penn State Rawlings baseball glove.

[LaVar Arrington]

That was indeed sweet, right? Yeah, that's right.

[Jonas Knox]

Come on, man.

[LaVar Arrington]

All things sports, baby. Especially Penn State.

[Greg Tuohy]

All right, wrap it up with this guys.

[LaVar Arrington]

What you got?

[Greg Tuohy]

LeBron hit another big milestone last night in their loss to the Nuggets. He surpassed Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

[Jonas Knox]

What do you get to page two

[Greg Tuohy]

on a book, Most made field goals in NBA history. Here was JJ Redick on LeBron passing career.

[LaVar Arrington]

I'm a big Bruce Springsteen fan and

[Jonas Knox]

I would probably say his like early albums really, really get me going. There's a, there's a youthfulness to him, you know, an energy. You get to the end and you're

[LaVar Arrington]

like, holy, this guy's greatest hits are like insane.

[Jonas Knox]

And LeBron's greatest hits, I mean, it just keeps adding to him. He just plays and plays and plays and the greatest hits, he just, he's got a, he's got a hell of a catalog.

[Greg Tuohy]

So many records for LeBron, regular season, playoffs, All Star game selections, things like that. But it feels like when he.

[Jonas Knox]

We're kind of.

[LaVar Arrington]

Was that coherent. What?

[Jonas Knox]

Huh?

[LaVar Arrington]

What, are we going to just breeze over that? Like, me? What? No, I'm just saying, like, did we not listen to what JJ Redick just said and how it absolutely made.

[Greg Tuohy]

We're running out of time here, Lavon.

[LaVar Arrington]

I'm trying to get it in. Come on, let's go.

[Jonas Knox]

Come on. A lot of energy for JJ Redick there.

[Greg Tuohy]

A lot of energy. But like LeBron, he breaks so many records. Are we just numb to his. His greatness at this point?

[Jonas Knox]

People will not recognize and acknowledge how great he is until he's long gone. And you go, yeah, that guy was pretty good. I mean, he was kind of a pain in the ass to cover for a lot of people. And, you know, he did things differently and moved around and, you know, maybe got players traded and whatnot. There's a lot that people can criticize. His durability and his production. Unmatched. Completely unmatched.

[LaVar Arrington]

Totally. I'm still trying to understand what.

[Greg Tuohy]

Jj, we may have to bring this bite back Jonas next hour, so Lamar can probably.

[LaVar Arrington]

I am. I've heard Bruce Springsteen songs. I've even heard how he composed the music. Like, I just didn't understand, like, from beginning to end. That's. I was tad bit confused. Huh? Sorry.

[Jonas Knox]

Never apologize.

[Greg Tuohy]

You never have to apologize for anything on this show.

[LaVar Arrington]

Okay, listen, you. You.

[Greg Tuohy]

You're filling in. You're doing. You're doing God's work today, all right?

[LaVar Arrington]

God's work.

[Jonas Knox]

He's a Springsteen.

[LaVar Arrington]

Got it, man. Yeah, whatever.

[Jonas Knox]

Nothing wrong with that.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's J.J. redick. That is.

[Jonas Knox]

I mean, okay, he just. I mean, he seems thrilled to be there. Like, he always seems like he's in a chipper mood and. And really, really happy about having to deal with the chaos.

[LaVar Arrington]

J.J. redick and LeBron James. Got it.

[Producer/Show Announcer]

I got it.

[LaVar Arrington]

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