Rachel Nichols (3:55)

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Jason McIntyre (4:01)

Hello and welcome to the Herd. It's a lovely Wednesday in Los Angeles. That's right, it's me, Jason McIntyre coming out of the bullpen to fill in for the injured, struggling Colin Cowherd. He's down for the count with some sort of cough sneeze flu deal, you know. Hey listen, when the weather turns cold in Chicago, it's tough. You got to get a jacket. I guess Colin's gonna have to buy one now. He'll be back tomorrow. He promises. He got 11 hours sleep and know things line up perfectly because I get to fill in and you know I'm talking about the New York Football jets for three straight hours. Joined today by the great Rachel Nichols. Rachel, not as excited about the jets as I am, but who is Jason? Big night today in Los Angeles, obviously the Lakers hosting Victor Wembanyama. Rachel will be there. I'm efforting tickets as we speak but we'll, we'll hopefully have a great night. But Rachel, we got to start with the NFL. And as a long suffering jets fan, don't ask me how I got into being a Jets fan. I was born in New York, family moved to D.C. and I decided I don't want to root for these Washington at the time Redskins let me go to my hometown roots, the New York Jets. And folks, it's been a long time since we've had anything to cheer About. And then on NFL trade deadline day, it becomes basically the greatest day in franchise history for, for anyone under the age of 50. Obviously, you know, the jets won with Joe Namath way back in the day. Colin loves to reference those days. I, I don't, I don't know them. They're foreign to me. So as a Jets fan, the reason I'm celebrating is the trades. You know, it wasn't working with a defensive strategy, as is often the case in the NFL. We'll talk about that later with a couple great guests. But they're going offense and they have moved off. Sauce Gardner, the great cornerback who was an all pro in his first two seasons, and Quinn and Williams, he shipped to Dallas. Folks, it is a celebratory day. If you're a Jets fan, this season's going to be tough. I saw one of these. Who won the trades? The 2025 jets are listed as losers. They're going to stink this season. We're 1 and 7. Yes, I could say we and maybe we win a couple games, but it's not about this year. It's for the future. Because, folks, we rich. We got a war chest of picks in the next two drafts, okay? We got two first rounders and a second in 2026. And look at that, 2027. I mean, they're loaded. Three first round picks.

Commercial Announcer (6:32)

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Jason McIntyre (6:32)

I know you guys are all over draft boards like I am. Yeah, you know what they're saying 2026 draft. It's fine.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (6:38)

It's good.

Jason McIntyre (6:39)

27. Maybe the greatest NFL draft ever. Headlined by Obviously the great Mr. Smith at Ohio State. And who knows, maybe Arch Manning is a superstar at that point. But to recap the trades, the tear down. Oh, wait, it's not a tear down. Let's go to Jets GM Darren Muji.

Rachel Nichols (7:00)

I wouldn't call it a tear down. And the goal is always to win. Look, these coaches and players work too hard every day, all day, with the goal of winning on Sunday. And that never changes because that's what the, the fans deserve, that's what the players deserve, that's what the coaches do and that. And that never changes.

Jason McIntyre (7:17)

Well said. I learned out who Darren Muji was basically yesterday. He's been anonymous, hasn't been in the role that long. But I don't want to look too much at the past. Okay. You know, as my son likes to say, trust, dad, trust. I'm trusting in the jets future. Guys, the past is a place of reference, not residents. You don't want to live in the past. You can reference it. And I'm going to do that right now. I'm going to bring up a certain Detroit Lions team that, you know, not too long ago had a terrible run. Then they trade for Jared Goff, fix the offensive line, and they start to figure things out. And they hire a gentleman by the name of Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell, kind of rough around the edges. Had to develop a culture in Detroit. These things aren't built overnight. And if you remember, in 2022, the Lions start 1 and 6 and everybody's scoffing at Campbell. I may have been in that group. And then they turn things around and they end up nine and eight. And in the 2023 draft, the Detroit Lions had four picks in the first 45, four in the first 45. Off a nine and eight season, folks. They hit a grand slam home run in that 2023 draft. Jameer Gibbs, who? People were like, hey, Jameer, a running back that early? I don't know. Then they got the kid, Campbell, the linebacker. Come on, these are not premium positions. Detroit, what are you doing? And then in the second round, this is when they made two great picks. Sam Laporta, the tight end who's playing at an All Pro level, and Brian Branch, who was an All Pro last season. Four picks, four major hits. They made the jump to lightspeed the next season, 12 and 5. Last year, 15 and 2. You can turn things around quickly with the right draft picks. And I can already hear you shouting at your radio or your tv. J. Mac, come on. The jets don't have anything. Actually, the infrastructure is kind of sort of there. We're just not seeing the results yet. And, oh, by the way, you guys know Aaron Glenn came from Detroit, right? He was on that Dan Campbell staff. Saw what Dan Campbell instilled as a culture. It takes some time. These things must bake. You've got to give them time. And I hope that the jets give Aaron Glenn time, because frankly, I don't know if they're going to go and take Fernando Mendoza, the kid, out of Indiana with the number one pick. By the way, I love Fernando Mendoza. I learned more about him on his LinkedIn page than I did his IG. Yeah, I want my quarterback who's updating his LinkedIn page. He already graduated from business school. He's getting a second master's in business at Indiana. And oh, by the way, he's one of the Heisman favorites. I mean, this guy's a genius. Six foot five quarterback, winning from the pocket, had multiple offensive coordinators. Listen, I'm starting to buy into Fernando Mendoza. But here's the beauty of having options like the jets have. If he's not your guy and you realize we like him, we don't love him. Huh? Is it possible that maybe we go with the Giants strategy? We get a defensive player early and at the end of the first round we find a quarterback. It's looking good for Jackson. Dart in New York. All right, let's pivot to one of the teams that traded with the jets yesterday, and that's the Dallas Cowboys, led by their carnival barker of an owner, Jerry Jones. Guys, I know a lot of Cowboys fans. They are long suffering like the Jets. I mean, they haven't been to an NFC championship. Longest drought in the nfc. It's bad, it's bleak. But, oh, by the way, some people in Dallas are applauding Jerry's move yesterday to grab Quinn and Williams from my Jets. Me in the morning meeting, I'm catching strays all over the place. These guys are like, I like what Dallas did. I like what Jerry did. Really? You guys like Jerry Jones saying, yeah, we got Micah Parsons, who, by the way, two years ago was the focal point of an incredible defense that went fourth in the league. Yes, that's right. In Mike McCarthy's great 12 win season two years ago, the Dallas defense, led by Micah, was fourth in the league. But last year, Dak gets hurt. The backup quarterbacks can't do anything. The defense crumbles, suffers injuries, and they're terrible. So let's move off Micah. Let's not pay him. Nine games into the season. Oh my gosh, our defense is a tire fire. Let's go get Quinn and Williams. Like, what are we doing? Here's Jerry Jones on making it up on the fly on the radio yesterday. I don't have time personally to have a bad time. It's not on my schedule.

Rachel Nichols (11:50)

And so I have a normal natural.

Jason McIntyre (11:53)

Urgency because of my age. And so my tomorrows, the immediate tomorrow are a big thing to me, but I also have enough discipline not to get in trouble for years to come. Oh my gosh, Cowboys fans, are you following me? You got whiplash a listening to your owner slash GM and be following all these moves. And here's the crazy part. If you look in totality at the Micah deal and the Quinn and Williams deal guys, they didn't get that much for Micah Parsons, who's basically had one of the best runs of any defensive player in the history of the NFL. That ain't hyperbole. Those are facts. I mean, go look at what Micah Parsons has done in his career. He's been unbelievable. I love Quinn and Williams. I hyped the hell out of him when he was with my Jets. Well, now that they've traded him, I'm ready to be objective and say, oh, he's had a really good career. Six seasons. One all, probably. Is he elite at his position? Well, he's certainly not top five. He's been great against the run, and that's what Dallas wants him to do. Fine. Okay, great. I don't know how that helps your secondary. And $92 million, man. Mr. Bland, who's still on his rear end after getting cooked by Marvin Harris on Monday night. I mean, listen, this Dallas defense is a laughing stock, and Jerry Jones is just making it up on the fly. I mean, forget about plans. If you're not planning, you know, what are you doing? And then you hear the owner saying, that's not on my timeline. We got to turn it around real quick. I don't. I know that everybody was excited about Dallas at times this season, and I've. I've taken the bait. I'm not going to lie. I fell for it. You know, when they were able to put up 40 on the packers and look good, it's like, oh, maybe there's something here. But then you drill down a little bit, like, oh, defense got destroyed by Caleb Williams and they just got dog walked by Jacoby Brissette. Did you see that stat, guys? The Arizona Cardinals were the only team in the league not to have a drive over 74 yards in the season. Jacoby Brissette had two of those back to back for touchdowns against Dallas Monday night. Like, at that point, I'm sure Jerry sees it. It's like, oh, we got to overpay for Quinn and Williams. Let's remember, by the way, as an aside on the jets, apparently Muji wasn't making calls for Quinn and sauce. He's fielding calls. So Jerry, reactionary as ever to his defense, getting embarrassed by Jacoby Brissette, says, oh, man, we got. We got to go get Quinn and Williams. Like, that's not how you want to operate. What are we doing? Like, something wacky happens this next month. Like, oh, we got to apply it to next offseason. Like, it's just not how you're. They're not a serious football program right now. I mean, they haven't been for years. I just cannot fathom how Dallas fans are dealing with this. I'm all excited because the jets have moved off players. Meanwhile, Jerry Jones is Tinkering, thinking, oh, we got something. Have you. I don't know if we can call up the Dallas schedule here, but have you guys seen what they've got coming up? This idea that Quinn is going to help them to the playoffs is laughable. They got a three game stretch here. Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, and by the way, the Vikings and Chargers are not chopped liver. So this team's not going to playoffs this year. And if you want to sell me on, hey, Jay, I think it's probably for next year. Okay, that's not a bad idea. Can I ask you, what are you doing with Pickens on the outside? He's in a contract year. Are you suddenly paying him big money to be the T. Higgins to Lambs Jamar Chase? Is that what we're doing? So we're going to become Bengals nfc? Because that's what it feels like. I just feel like there's no plan in place. Planning is invaluable and I don't think Jerry does that. It feels to me like he's making it up on the fly. So I know I've opened the show with a lot of positivity followed by some negativity. We'll do plenty of positive Rachel's here, obviously, and we are excited. Rachel, I am just curious before we go to break here, Jerry Jones, reactionary. Hey, we need to do this now. Not on my timeline. You hear that? As a Cowboys fan, and I know you're a Washington fan, do not call.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (16:11)

Me a Cowboys fan. Come on.

Jason McIntyre (16:14)

Yeah, but as a Washington fan, you hear that, you're like, oh, heck yeah, I love this.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (16:19)

I mean, look, what did Jerry say? That he's old. So you know, his timeline is not necessarily the Cowboys timeline. I saw this as a trade for next year. Honestly, the Cowboys have issues in their secondary. This is not going to fix everything, but it will set them more on the right track than they currently are. So that's okay.

Jason McIntyre (16:37)

Enjoy the six wins this year. Seven maybe. Cowboys fans. All right, coming up next, did an AFC team miss their win? Did they make a mistake not making a move? We'll talk about that next on the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Coup Couple on Fox Sports Radio.

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Rachel Nichols (22:57)

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Jason McIntyre (22:57)

They had some time on their hands. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast back here on the Herd. Got some great guests coming up. Joel Klatt, top of next hour. Cannot wait to talk to him about all the quarterbacks the jets will be sifting through to find, hopefully their hidden gem in the draft. Folks, that's why I'm optimistic. It's fun. Like, there's optimism. I see Rachel laughing over there, like, listen, I'm giddy. It feels like Christmas and I'm like 11 years old and there's presents everywhere. It's like, yes. What's in there?

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (23:36)

I just love that there is no story you cannot tie to the Jets.

Jason McIntyre (23:40)

Yes. Yes, yes. And I know the jets are like a no fly zone because they stink and nobody cares, but when you're passionate about something, hey, let's rock with it. Let me quickly talk about the Indiana Indianapolis Colts because they're kind of all in, you guys. I like to play poker occasionally, you know, you think you can bluff your way to a big hall, or maybe you just are like, you know what? I'm sick of this. I'm bored. I'm going home. Just a friendly poker game. I'm going all in. The smart people and the smart poker players and the smart NFL teams usually draft and develop and maybe supplement a little bit through free agency and trades. Right? Draft and develop is the way to go. And if you looked at the deadline yesterday, a lot of the content, the major contenders did nothing. And you're like, oh, that's. That's kind of interesting. But you have a team like the Colts taking a big swing. And I had a Colts buddy who texted me, was like, this is so out of character for Ballard. He basically has drafted and developed with the Colts. He hasn't done much of, hey, let's make a big, huge swing, give up draft picks. And so I'm like, what do you think this is about? Now, one of the guys on staff has tried to talk me into this topic. Not really talk me into, but he's brought it up and it's interesting. Talked about it on my podcast and with others. The Colts new owner is now, like, on the sideline wearing a headset, taking notes, and she's not saying much. She's just very involved. And I've workshopped a couple ideas about what's going on because the indie media hasn't really gotten much out of her. She did have some great quotes recently, but it's like, hmm, I wonder, is Chris Ballard saying, Damn, we got one playoff win in the last 10 years? Daniel Jones is play out kicking his coverage here. He's playing way above his rim. Above the rim. He's doing awesome. Hell, Ravens don't look formidable. They had the Lamar injury. Chiefs, I don't. Are they dominant? J Max out here on TV saying they're not going to the playoffs. Bills, shucks, they got smacked by the Falcons. Is this our year? Can we pull this off? Should we go all in? And it's a fascinating question, you guys know, because I'm part of an ownership group of a soccer team in the top Mexican league. I love team building and moving the chess pieces around, and it's not easy. And you see the Colts and I just wonder, was this an irrational move by them or does this make them legit contenders? Because I'm going to be honest with you, if you go by Vegas and you say, who are the Colts playing the playoffs? Are they playing the Chiefs? They're going to be underdogs even if they're at home. Oh, the Colts are playing the Bills. They're going to be underdogs. What about the Ravens? Yeah, same deal.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (26:24)

And.

Jason McIntyre (26:24)

And by that metric, it's like, should you have gone all in? Because, let's be real, this Daniel Jones deal, one year, $14 million. You guys remember what happened when Daniel Jones had success in New York? He wasn't even this good in New York, but they got to the playoffs, he didn't make a lot of mistakes, and they beat the Vikings. Then he went into contract negotiations and he said he wanted all the money. The stories about what was going on at that table, pretty legendary. And guess what? The Giants bent over backwards and gave it to him within about a couple months. Oh, what do we do? We can't afford sake one. And then Daniel takes the field. And the next season, they were terrible. And it's like, goodbye. Couldn't run him out of town quick enough. So I know he's had a rejuvenated season, if you will. But what if this is eight weeks of fool's gold and what we just saw against Pittsburgh is probably closer to the real Danny Dimes. And by the way, how about the name change? He went from Danny Dimes. I started calling him Danny Loose Change. And now he is. He has rebranded in India as Indiana Jones. Okay, we'll see how that works out. So I like Sauce Gardner. I think he's going to fit in Captain Lou's defensive scheme, heavy zone. I mean, with his length and instincts. I mean, Sauce Gardner is going to do well. But as I alluded to yesterday, like, they're going to be facing the Bills in the playoffs. So is he like, hey, we're going to erase this side of the field, all right? I mean, Bill's got great tight ends underneath, slot receiver, like there's nobody you need to remove from, from the Bills. Same deal with the Ravens. The Chiefs have Rasheed Rice, but I don't know that he's a one yet, guys. He's a one on my fantasy team, that's for sure. But I just have some questions about the Colts. I do applaud them. We're close. We're going all in. I do, I respect that. Remember the jets. See Rachel, she's right. I'm going to bring it back to the Jets. They were close. They go all in. Aaron Rodgers, I didn't. I wanted something else. But when they did go all in, I supported it. Then Rodgers gets hurt, it ends quickly. But I ultimately do not believe this will lead to much for the Colts. And now you're going to have to probably overpay Daniel Jones. He's not going to want some bargain basement 25, $30 million a year deal. He's going to say, listen, I, I was one of the best quarterbacks you've had in the last decade since Andrew Luck left. What else you got? You're going to go get Kyler Murray now. Shane here. The. Here's Shane Steichen, by the way, on the radio this morning on the Indianapolis trade.

Rachel Nichols (28:53)

Obviously I'm really excited about adding Sauce Gardner. Sauce Gardner to our football team. You know, his resume speaks for itself. Pro Bowler All Pro.

Commercial Announcer (29:03)

So to get a guy into the building like that, it just elevates everybody around us.

Rachel Nichols (29:07)

So really excited for to add him to the fold.

Jason McIntyre (29:10)

By the way, Gardner was all pro the first two years. Last year he struggled. You could argue that they were a sinking ship. He was unhappy. This year when targeted. He's got a passer rating allowed of 118. Not great. Now again, you could argue sinking ship. Jets staying. He was checked out. Okay, I'll buy that. But good luck with that Colts. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. No, no, no, no.

Rachel Nichols (29:33)

Heard on the news.

Jason McIntyre (29:35)

This is the Herd line news.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (29:38)

Jason, this isn't a Jets story. So I'm sorry about that. J.J. mcCarthy stepped in against the Lions. He was sidelined, remember, with that ankle injury. For five weeks he looked the part. McCarthy accounted for three total touchdowns, helped Minnesota stop a two game losing streak. But here's the spice. After the game, JJ posted this on his Instagram with the caption quote, kneecaps are intact, which seems to be a shot at Dan Campbell's famous biting the kneecaps quote. Right. Remember that?

Jason McIntyre (30:09)

Yeah.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (30:09)

I guess we should also note that JJ blew out his knee in his rookie year. So, you know, they could maybe make the case it was about that, but I. I gotta. Personally, I think this is a shot at Campbell. What do you expect to see from McCarthy and the Vikings here?

Jason McIntyre (30:24)

I kind of like that. Yeah, Rachel's weird. He's had three starts and we're supposed to like render a verdict if he can't play or he can't play. We need to let it bake just a little, right? I mean, they got a tough one this weekend against the Ravens. They're at home and I'm seeing Baltimore's favor by four in Minnesota. Ravens defense isn't great. Do you think McCarthy is the guy there or do we just. We don't know yet.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (30:49)

I think he could be.

Jason McIntyre (30:49)

Could be, right? I mean, Harbaugh loves him. Yeah. Yeah, I think they're going to be fine with J.J. mcCall. I don't know if he's going to duplicate Darnold's numbers from last year.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (31:00)

Right. Yeah, especially Darnold's. Having success.

Jason McIntyre (31:03)

Crushing it in Seattle.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (31:04)

Tough to live up to. All right, let's talk a little Warriors. Jimmy Butler left yesterday's win against the Suns with lower back soreness. Now, Butler came into that game questionable. He ended up playing, but then he tweaked his back during the game, didn't return after halftime. Jimmy is currently considered questionable again for the warriors game tonight against Sacramento. Meanwhile, Jason Draymond Green is unlikely to pay on the second night of a back to back. Steph Curry has already been ruled out with illness. Maybe. Maybe the same thing Colin has.

Jason McIntyre (31:36)

I don't know.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (31:36)

Maybe they've been hanging out together. I don't know. I can say, look, it's obviously early, but the warriors sit in sixth right now in the West. Do you have concerns? I mean, this is a much older roster and we're already seeing, oh, have to sit out after a back to back or some injuries, that kind of thing. I mean, a back injury, that's an old man injury, obviously. Yeah, yeah.

Jason McIntyre (31:56)

Uh, I. Where do you stand on this whole sitting at them back to backs. Because they had Austin Reeves and Luka do it with the Lakers. Um, they're not at the same age as Steph Curry and Draymond Green. I have no problem with this. And I know, like, a lot of people are like, oh, you gotta play. Michael Jordan's out here talking about how you gotta play 82 games. Like, that's dumb. I want to see Steph Curry play in meaningful games. Sorry, not November 5th against the Sacramento Kings on a back to back.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (32:24)

Yeah. And, you know, they purposely sometimes, like, oh, it's a back to back, and it's against the Sacramento Kings.

Jason McIntyre (32:30)

We're good.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (32:30)

Draymond, take a seat. I'm okay with it. Because you want a guy as close to 100% as you can get every time he's out on the floor. And if you feel like back to backs, put him into some sort of risk because of his age, because of, you know, injuries, because of anything, don't do it. It's not worth it. It's not worth missing the guy missing the next month or two.

Jason McIntyre (32:50)

Yeah, I only watch the little Warriors. I'm more interested in, like, you know, Lakers, Rockets, a couple other teams. But what have you seen? Every time I look at the box score, they're playing, like 12 guys. They're playing so many. They're lessening the minutes for Curry. Feels like good strategy from Steve Kerr.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (33:06)

Yeah, I absolutely think so. Look, he knows they're an older team.

Jason McIntyre (33:09)

Yeah.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (33:10)

They want to make a long playoff run. Steph Curry's window is closing. This is sort of the last ride with Butler, with these other guys, and he wants to make it all count. And he's getting more production from a lot of these guys than he did last season. And look, Jimmy Butler, you might be sitting out tonight with a back injury, but he's. There's been 31 regular season games since he got there. He's played in 30 of them. So we maybe are talking about old man injuries, but.

Jason McIntyre (33:35)

And isn't their record good with Butler, Curry? Yeah, with the whole group.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (33:40)

All right, let's move over to Cooper Flagg.

Commercial Announcer (33:44)

Oh, boy.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (33:44)

With the Mavs, you know, Cooper's still finding his way in the league. The Mavericks are off to a rough start. Kevin Durant, though, after a recent game, said, don't worry, the future is still bright for the rookie. Take a listen.

Rachel Nichols (33:58)

I just think it's always good for young players to just be thrown into the fire. Just go play. Jake here is a incredible coach that knows the game inside and out as a player and as a coach. So, you know, no matter what position he is, I think he's just a basketball player. He's only going to get better.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (34:15)

KD went on to say that he really feels for Cooper. Jason, because Cooper's playing at guard after spending his whole time prior to that at forward. Remember, KD came into the league in college. He played the four or the five, and then he came into the NBA in a two. So he knows that that's, that's a real adjustment. You've been hiring Cooper. Cooper Flag. What do you think of all this?

Jason McIntyre (34:37)

It's the narrative. And I try not to pay too much attention to what else is going on in the media. Sometimes it's impossible with social media. The narrative is Cooper Flag, ain't it? Oh, this Jason, you said this guy's gonna be all NBA. He's nothing we don't want. How old is he, Rachel? 18.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (34:52)

He's 18 years old.

Jason McIntyre (34:53)

Like, what are we doing? He's got the worst plus minus since I think since LeBron as a rookie when he was 18 or maybe he was 19.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (35:01)

How did that work out?

Jason McIntyre (35:02)

It's gonna be fine. I think the bigger story is what's going on with Anthony Davis. I mean, like, Cooper Flag is going to be okay. AD Nico Harrison. Where's my guy? Super Max Christie. What's he doing? I mean, Rachel, if I'm Cooper Flag, I'm begging Kyrie to come back. But it sounds like, I think you said he's like this hope that. Oh, Kyrie's killing in practice.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (35:24)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (35:24)

It's not like he's coming back in a month or two or three.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (35:26)

No, no. End of the season, maybe not at all this season. And remember Nico, when he made the trade, the Luka trade, he put the Mavericks on a much tighter timeline. Right. So trading for a player in Anthony Davis who is six years older than Luca. He said he thinks the championship window was in the next three years after the Luca trade. That's part of this pressure on Cooper Flag. Right. Because if you feel like these seasons are dwindling down when you have promised to deliver a title.

Jason McIntyre (35:54)

Yeah.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (35:55)

I mean, you got to stick Cooper at guard because he is the best playmaker that you have out there right now with everyone else injured. It's not necessarily what's best for Cooper.

Jason McIntyre (36:05)

Those are rough stats you see on the screen. 38% shooting, 30% from three. But he's an 18 year old rookie and their best. Well, I guess their best player is AD or Kyrie. I don't know. But bottom line is two of their best three players are out. Yeah, like you can't expect much from him. I think Cooper Flag's gonna be fine. I wonder if Nico Harrison is gonna be fine. But we will see another topic for another day. All right, Rachel with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Heard Lie news. All right, coming up next, we're gonna go to Vegas details on did any of these NFL moves move the needle on super bowl contenders? We'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age. Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo. His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so. Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you? Okay, okay, wait, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party. To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues. Open your free iHeartRadio app search next Question with Katie Couric and listen. Now on the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night. Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physician. And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're talking about health in a different way. It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also what our health says about us and the way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states. I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic. How preventable is type 2?

Rachel Nichols (38:38)

Extremely.

Jason McIntyre (38:39)

Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are. Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible. But like, you don't even know. You don't know. You don't know. It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in. Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rejan.

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And on our podcast Hungry for History.

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We mix two of our favorite things, food and history.

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Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostrakon.

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To vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.

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Rachel Nichols (43:05)

It's, it's pretty optimistic though. The one thing I worry about is that weren't we kind of here in 2023? Oh, we're going to have what, seven top seven first pick, seven picks the first two rounds in 20 next two years. But say didn't we pick Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner and Jermaine Johnson in the top 20 whatever it was in 2023 and here we are starting all. But I do think it does feel a little bit different this time. It does feel like they are committed to the tear it all down and build it back up. I think the good thing about the 2026 draft is that I wouldn't feel obligated to go take one of those quarterbacks. I think if you wait until 2027, I think there's a chance that the guys available on that draft might be better. But the fact that you're picking up a late first round pick, if you want to take a chance on one of those and a, and lock in a contract, sure. But I still think the avenue is a crew, assets accrue, offensive lineman, defensive lineman line, real impact position players and, and go for that. But yeah, but, but you're right. Remember when Browning Nagel was the saver for the Jets? We're going to the super bowl after losing at Denver and midway through the first Quarter tells it season's over.

Jason McIntyre (44:24)

You're right, they did do that in the draft a few years ago. 22 I believe. Here's the interesting thing. In 2000 in Aaron Rodgers first year, Chris, their win total was nine and a half. The defense was I think third in the league. They were all set and then Rodgers gets hurt. They finished 7 and 10. Otherwise I don't know are they a 10 win team? Remember Rogers, 4 years ago was it was thought to be good.

Rachel Nichols (44:47)

I was all in that year and I can remember sending Bob was shoes in the voice of the jets and a couple of other jets fans of mine like I am far too confident in August and like we know how this is going to end. And it lasted all of what, three plays. But you're right, that year it was lined up. They were good, they were legit good. And maybe it would have worked out because they, they were putting all put their chips in the middle of the table for Aaron and who knows what would have happened. But we'll see what happens. The good thing is that Aaron Glenn has been through this in Detroit. So we know is what it looks like. There are obviously people who may not think that Aaron Glenn should be the long term solution to head coach based on what we've seen this year. But I think also the kind of the sidebar to what we've seen from the, from, from yesterday is that they're committed to Aaron Glenn for much more than this year and next year. If they're banking on picks in 26.

Jason McIntyre (45:40)

27, maybe he's Dan Campbell in three years, I don't know. Very easily. Yeah. As we transition to college football. Let me ask specifically about a quarterback the jets could target and that is Mr. Mendoza at Indiana. I was on his LinkedIn page this morning because he has a robust LinkedIn page. This guy's already got a business school graduate. He's 22 years old. I think he's just turned 22. I mean we're talking about a very intelligent, smart quarterback who I think has had four different offensive coordinators since he's been in college football. He's a, he's, he sounds the part. He is super impressive on paper. You've seen him up close. Your thoughts on Indiana's quarterback?

Rachel Nichols (46:18)

I think he's very good. I would if I am the Jets. I am not taking him at the top of the draft. One, two or three. I don't claim to know everything about the quarterback position, but my co host Jeff Schwartz on Barebacks podcast has kind of really watched him quite a bit being an Oregon guy and really breaking down that game. He's kind of said that a lot of Mendoza's throws are kind of out outside the hashes, outside middle of the field and that down the field, middle of the field kind of throw. Like he doesn't have that in his arsenal yet or he hasn't shown it. So I'd be a little hesitant taking him that high. I think this is going to be a great year for a team maybe like the Titans, who doesn't need a quarterback at the top of the draft to maybe try and get one of these guys to try to take it. But I think if you're looking at Indiana college football wise, it just kind of feels like it's building up towards the end of the year. Winner take all in Indy. Number one Ohio State, number two Indiana. Winner gets the number one overall seed. Winner winners ranked number one. Winner gets the undefeated season. Winner gets the Big Ten title and winner, whether it's Julian Saying or Fernando Mendoza, they get the Heisman Trophy.

Jason McIntyre (47:27)

I like that. Take Indiana at Penn State. I believe this weekend lines creeping up. I was going to be that hero and come out here and be like, hey, you got to take the points with the Nittany lines and let down spot Mendoza and Indiana number two in the rankings. Mendoza being the number one pick to the Jets. Do they lose focus going into Beaver Stadium?

Rachel Nichols (47:46)

Chris, I have a hard time seeing Penn State score points. I, I took Penn State plus a 20 and a half last week, got the first and goal, but ultimately I don't know how Penn State scores. I think last week was a perfect example of a team that you've got a defense that can play ball and keep you in it for so long and then finally when the dam breaks, there's really nothing you can do. And I feel that's kind. This week's game will go. I think Penn State will hang in there for a while. But ultimately I think the one thing I will say though, if Surat is hurt and the linebacker is hurt and they don't play, that could, could change things a little bit. But I, I just don't think that Penn State's going to be able to score. Not a point square. But your point, your bigger point is well taken because back in the four team era, you obviously only have one year of the 12 team era. In the four team era, you used to see when teams ranked 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, like they were in the mix and they kind of knew where they were and the pressure now was on them. Like the realization like, oh my God, we're in the playoff right now. We control our own destiny. I can remember a year Texas A and M was ranked, I think fourth in the first playoff ranking. They went to Mississippi State as like a two touchdown favorite and got beat by two touchdowns. So a lot of times when these SEA teams see where they are and they see the pressure and they see the realization, it kind of gets to them. And if they haven't been down that road before, they don't necessarily always respond the best way.

Jason McIntyre (49:13)

Yeah, I've had a great season. College football gambling and you gotta, you can never overlook the look ahead spot. You know, they got Wisconsin next week. Indiana. No, not a big one. I'm half joking. Let's quickly go to the SEC real quick. That one complaint is there's too many SEC teams in this first college football release. Would you agree or disagree? I mean, I think I saw eight in the top 20 in terms of rankings. SEC has got a lot of good, but maybe not any great.

Rachel Nichols (49:41)

I think here's the, here's the thing that I think people have a problem with and they can't put the two thoughts in their head and have them like stand alone. The following can be true. Both can be true. The Big Ten has three of the best five, six teams in the country with Ohio State, Indiana and Oregon. But the bottom Big Ten is terrible. The SEC may not have an Ohio State or an Oregon or an Indiana, but from 1 to 9, it's not even close. So I have no problem with the SEC having a long list of teams in the ranking. I think it's right, I think it's fair. I put out some numbers this week about how in conference play, the number of conference games that went into it with like a two touchdown favorite or a double digit favorite. Yes, he sees big like it's not even close. And again, it could just be a yearly cyclical thing. But at the same time, if you're looking at like number one or number 10 in the, in the big 10 being like UCLA and number 10 in the, in the SEC being LSU, like it's like a different, it's a different sport. But I think in the Big Ten situation this year it's a little unfortunate because Penn State collapsed and bottomed out. Illinois was a team people were backing on. They weren't necessarily it, but they have a chance here. You look at where the committee put some of these Big Ten teams at the bottom. Iowa, usc, Michigan, like Oregon kind of holds the key here to Whether the Big Ten potentially could get that fourth bid in because USC can go to Eugene and win. That gives them a big win. If Iowa gets a win this week, that's a massive win. UW can beat Oregon and Seattle like Oregon is kind of sitting there in the top 10 right now. Was like the light like the big shiny object in the SK for all these teams in the Big 10 that are ranked in the in the playoff rankings that potentially could get that quality win to catapult them into the top 12.

Jason McIntyre (51:34)

You mentioned the Hawkeyes. I'm just going to put it out there. Is is the line still six at home against Oregon? Because that's a sneaky dangerous game for.

Rachel Nichols (51:41)

The is the the one thing I would caution people about here is if you go back and look at the games Dan Lanning has lost at Oregon a majority of them have been to a team which could throw the ball there. They've allowed like 300 yards passing through the air 1516 touchdown passes in the seven losses like 10 yards an attempt. Iowa is not a team that is going to throw the ball up and down the field on Oregon. It's going to have to be. They're going to have to basically what Indiana did the Indiana Indiana game close game, ugly it up trying to control the line of scrimmage force Mendoza to short throws and not really give them the big play. I have a hard time seeing Oregon go in here and as look every everybody's popular underdog this week has been Iowa. So I think that plays into Oregon's hands a little bit. I would be surprised if Oregon went in here or lost. I think their defense shows up. I think it's a lower scoring game. I don't know if I want to lay the six six and a half. I think the Iowa team total under 16 and a half under 17 might be the better way to play this game. All right.

Jason McIntyre (52:46)

We're contractually obligated to talk about Arch Manning because he had one good game. I think every TV radio show podcast has to talk about Arch again in reference to the NFL. Hey hey maybe this is his his Joe Burrow first year at LSU and next year he's got to throw 75 touchdown passes. But in all seriousness some Texas fans are unhappy with their college football ranking. I will just point out they go ahead.

Rachel Nichols (53:12)

They shouldn't be. I think Texas is in at 9 and 3. I think where they are the committee but people can have whatever opinion of the committee you want and they did it right. Did they do it Wrong? Texas at 11 ahead of Oklahoma is where they should be. Okay, you look at Texas, if they go nine and three, that means either they win at Georgia or they be potentially an undefeated Texas A and M. They are getting a ton of credit. And look, this is what we all talked about with the expanded College Football Playoff. You should get credit for scheduling non conference games. Ohio State's clearly getting credit for scheduling Texas. That's probably the difference as to why they're number one. Texas, I think is getting credit for scheduling Ohio State. You look at, they've got a win over Oklahoma already. They've got a win over Vanderbilt. If they add a win over Georgia or Texas A and M. 9 and 3 with a top 10 schedule in the country and a power rating through the roof and strength of record, I think a 9 and 3 Texas is super live to make the playoffs.

Jason McIntyre (54:13)

We got one minute left. Last one. So let me to that Texas point. I'm going to be real. The College Football Playoff is a TV show. We know that. Will Texas get a bump and get the edge over someone else because of Arch Manning and what he brings to the table? Because we saw the TV rating for Ohio State, Texas.

Rachel Nichols (54:32)

I don't think that really comes into play with anybody in this election room. There, there really is no affiliation with an ESPN ABC programmer in the, in the, in the selection room right there. I think that's a little overblown. I, I get it. How fans would think that Texas, Notre Dame, Miami, those brands kinda should be in. But look at what happened last year. SMU got in the playoff, Indiana got in the playoff over in Alabama or Ole Miss. So I think it's a fun thing to talk about, but I don't think it exists.

Jason McIntyre (55:03)

I would keep an eye on that. I like that as a talking point. Chris Felica Bear Betts Podcast Big Noon kickoff. Keep crushing it, buddy.

Rachel Nichols (55:10)

We will be good, bud.

Jason McIntyre (55:11)

Thanks, Chris Felica. Good stuff. You know, Rachel, that Arch Manning thing's interesting. We say that that doesn't matter, but we just saw the World Series with the Dodgers the last two years. Like, people love stars. If you're in that college football room and you've got the choice of Arch Manning versus, I don't know, another team from the Big Ten or sec. I think they're gonna get a bump.

Co-host (possibly Rob Parker or Kelvin Washington) (55:34)

Not because they think the ratings will be better, but they're a little, you know, influenced by that.

Jason McIntyre (55:39)

All right, coming up next, one big move that an NFC team did not make and it saved their season.

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On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way. All right, are you ready for another question? Go ahead, hit me, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night. I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician. And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled Do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

Rachel Nichols (58:21)

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

Jason McIntyre (58:24)

How preventable is type 2?

Rachel Nichols (58:27)

Extremely.

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