THE HERD - Hour 1 - Josh Allen is the true MVP, thoughts on drama inside the Eagles organization

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: THE HERD - Hour 1 - Josh Allen is the True MVP, Drama Inside the Eagles Organization
Date: November 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Colin Cowherd dives deep into why he believes Josh Allen is the NFL’s true MVP—arguably the best player on the planet and possibly one of the top five he's ever seen. Colin explores Allen’s overwhelming role in Buffalo’s fortunes, contrasts other franchise quarterbacks, and discusses the near-total dependency the Bills have on their star. The show also analyzes dysfunction inside the Eagles organization, bringing in reputable local reporting and inside knowledge to question Jalen Hurts’ standing with coaches and in the locker room. Additional segments include critiques of the Steelers' offensive woes despite superstar talent, the struggles of the Chiefs, and quarterback drama around the league.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Josh Allen: “The Best Football Player on the Planet”

(begins at 02:13)

• Allen’s Value to Buffalo:

  • Keon Coleman, a 2nd-round WR, is being benched repeatedly, possibly a bust, but Josh Allen’s impact makes this irrelevant.
  • The Bills’ fortunes are tied directly to Allen’s performance. In the past five weeks, Buffalo is 5-0 when Allen has 3+ TDs, and 0-3 when he has fewer.
  • "No franchise I ever remember has been this quarterback-dependent." – Colin Cowherd [03:49]

• Contrasting Allen’s Situations with Other Teams:

  • Ravens have won with backups.
  • Chiefs/49ers/Eagles can win when their QB is average or injured thanks to top-to-bottom roster strength.
  • Bills couldn't win a playoff game in 25 years before Allen.
  • “They’re building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason... Josh Allen.” [06:07]

• Allen’s Share of Offense:

  • 76% of Buffalo’s touchdowns have come through Allen.
  • “If he was a stock, your financial advisor would tell you to diversify. You've got too many eggs in one basket.” [07:27]

• Comparative MVP Candidates:

  • Chiefs and Ravens can survive dips in QB play; Buffalo cannot.
  • "The Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles—they've won Super Bowls with Nick Foles and Trent Dilfer. Buffalo couldn't win a playoff game for 25 years." [07:38]

• Sean McDermott (Bills HC) Soundbite:

  • “When he’s on his game, you look out. I mean, he's the best there is in the business.” [07:44]

2. Chronic Offensive Sickness: Pittsburgh Steelers’ Stagnation

(begins at 07:59)

• DK Metcalf’s Struggles:

  • "He's moody. He doesn't run a great route tree and Seattle knows that." [08:34]
  • DK Metcalf, George Pickens, Kevin Dotson—talented players leave Pittsburgh and thrive, while those who arrive shrink.

• Systemic Issue, Not Just Talent:

  • Steelers haven’t figured out offense for years, regardless of QB, coordinator, or skill players.
  • "Are the Steelers just a more stable version of the New York Jets?...Talented athletes enter and shrink." [09:58]

• Aaron Rodgers Not to Blame:

  • Receivers have fewest targets and receptions in the league.
  • "Trying to get the Steelers to understand offense is like trying to get your grandparents to understand 6G." [10:58]
  • Mike Tomlin’s approach, injuries, or system all fail to mitigate offensive decline, especially post-Thanksgiving.

3. Eagles Locker Room Drama: Jalen Hurts & Coaching Disconnect

(starts at 12:19; revisited at 20:23)

• Local Journalism Sheds Light:

  • Reputable Philadelphia journalist Derek Gunn reports fundamental frustration within the coaching staff over Hurts’ refusal or inability to operate the offense as coached.
  • “He plays his game, not the game the coaches want him to play.” – Derek Gunn [21:41]

• Cowherd’s Added Perspective:

  • "I was told this summer…Hurts wasn’t that popular with coaches or the locker room."
  • Hurts is tough, high IQ, but not a ‘one of the guys’ type. “He’s a little cliché, a little too polished.” [23:21]
  • “Never forget, Socrates was not popular in his locker room either.” [23:58]

• Unique Leadership Style:

  • Hurts’ philosophical press conference quotes cited as possibly too buttoned up for Philly.
  • “In Philadelphia, you either win…or you learn. That’s how I feel.” – Jalen Hurts [23:45]
  • Despite the disconnect, Cowherd defends Hurts: “I like him. I don’t think he’s great from the pocket, but he wins. He’s tough.” [24:13]

• Risks for the Team:

  • Hurts is on pace for under 200 yards passing per game—anemic for a top QB with elite weaponry.
  • Philadelphia’s history of sudden, dramatic moves with players and coaches highlighted (e.g., Carson Wentz).

• Reporting Risks:

  • Colin emphasizes the courage of local reporters exposing “unpleasant news,” noting the challenge of facing backlash from the team. [25:34]

4. NFL Headlines and Quick Takes (Herdline News with Domonique Foxworth)

(begins at 27:26)

• Caleb Williams & the Chicago Bears:

  • Williams emphasizes a “one at a time” approach: "I do know that you can go one for one, you know, each and every single time…just focusing on being 1 and 0 this week." – Caleb Williams [27:45]

• Chiefs’ Offensive Struggles:

  • Patrick Mahomes: "I’m just not making the throws is pretty much the biggest thing. Guys are getting open and give me chances to make the—plays down the field." [29:52]
  • Noted that Mahomes has been a “C quarterback” on the road this season.
  • Right tackle Juwan Taylor ranks 69th of 76 tackles; penalties and O-line problems are big issues. [31:02]

• NY Giants and Mike Kafka:

  • Benching of Abdul Carter for missing meetings. Mike Kafka wants to show accountability, contrasting with Brian Daboll’s prior approach.

• Coaching Futures:

  • Both Cowherd and Foxworth believe Brian Daboll will be a head coach in the NFL next year, perhaps Robert Salah (SF) too.

5. Lane Kiffin Contract Drama at Ole Miss

(starts at 34:34)

• Media Accusations:

  • Critique of Pat Forde’s narrative that Lane Kiffin’s contract standoff is sabotaging Ole Miss’ playoff dreams.
  • Colin disagrees: "Lane Kiffin is under contract until 2031. He has no obligation to publicly sign an extension on Ole Miss's terms." [34:49]

• Job Market Leverage:

  • Only reason this is news: Florida and LSU have fired coaches, creating mobility rumors. Kiffin is “the reason Ole Miss is relevant.”
  • "In any profession, if you have five years left on a contract, you’re under no obligation to announce publicly, 'Hey, I'm staying forever.'" [36:22]

• Joel Klatt’s Take:

  • Klatt suggests Kiffin’s refusal to commit signals a likely departure to Florida.
  • Cowherd: “You’re lucky to have him.” [37:49]

6. Shedeur Sanders, Cleveland Browns, and the “Streisand Effect”

(begins at 44:47)

• Conspiracy Theories Debunked:

  • Some fans believe the Browns are sabotaging Sanders; Cowherd lampoons this, listing a string of conspiracies about draft slide, practice reps, etc.
  • “Dear Shedeur Truthers, ask yourself: what does Cleveland or the NFL have to benefit by sabotaging Shedeur Sanders?…He’s got some charisma. His dad was a superstar. The NFL has made it—they want 32 interesting teams.” [44:56]

• Sanders’ Potential:

  • Cowherd expects him to look flashy but inconsistent, citing mobility, arm strength, but also bad habits (holding the ball too long, running backwards).
  • “My guess is: he looks very good on some plays…he’s going to throw some really bad picks.” [45:58]

7. J.J. McCarthy and Quarterback Maturity

(begins at 50:53)

• Diana Russini Report:

  • JJ McCarthy’s season plagued by low stats, unanswered questions about his readiness, and injury management.
  • “But more than that, it’s the vibes around him all season have been weird.” – Diana Russini [51:18]

• Cowherd’s Assessment:

  • "Quarterback’s different—maturity matters. Starting quickly matters. Durability matters. It just all matters more." [53:10]
  • Positions other than QB can withstand slow development or injuries—quarterback cannot.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Josh Allen’s Value:

  • “No franchise I ever remember has been this quarterback dependent.” – Colin Cowherd [03:49]
  • “They’re building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason, not because it just got chilly…They’re building it because of Josh Allen.” – Colin Cowherd [06:09]
  • “If he was a stock, your financial advisor would tell you to diversify. You’ve got too many eggs in one basket.” – Colin Cowherd [07:27]

• On the Steelers’ Dysfunction:

  • “Are the Steelers just a more stable version of the New York Jets? Where great players leave and get better, coaches leave and are better. They enter, everybody shrinks.” – Colin Cowherd [09:58]
  • “Trying to get the Steelers to understand offense is like trying to get your grandparents to understand 6G.” – Colin Cowherd [10:58]

• On Jalen Hurts & the Eagles Locker Room:

  • “He is not a go, he’s not a rah-rah, let’s go out and get beers guy. He’s very much his own man, his own beat.” – Colin Cowherd [22:34]
  • “Never forget, Socrates was not popular in his locker room either.” – Colin Cowherd [23:58]
  • “I appreciate anytime a local reporter can deliver really unpleasant news. I think it’s hard. Much harder than it is for me here, sitting thousands of miles away.” – Colin Cowherd [25:34]

• On Lane Kiffin’s Job Security:

  • “You’re lucky to have him…Lane Kiffin can go pro or college. He’s the reason Ole Miss is relevant today.” – Colin Cowherd [34:59]

• On Shedeur Sanders Mania:

  • “The ‘truth’ is he’s immature. That’s indisputable. And he’s not that good. I’m rooting for him because I don’t root against young people.” – Colin Cowherd [46:40]

• On Quarterback Uniqueness:

  • “Quarterback is the one position that everybody relies on, including the coach, to eat…Quarterbacks have to be more mature, faster.” – Colin Cowherd [52:20]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:13 — Josh Allen and Buffalo’s quarterback dependency
• 07:59 — Steelers' offensive woes and systemic problems
• 12:19 & 20:23 — Eagles/Jalen Hurts locker room drama and Derek Gunn’s report
• 27:26 — NFL Quick Hits: Caleb Williams, Mahomes/Chiefs, Kafka/Giants
• 34:34 — Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss contract situation
• 44:47 — Shedeur Sanders, Cleveland Browns, and conspiracy theories
• 50:53 — JJ McCarthy, Diana Russini’s report, and quarterback maturity

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This episode provides a thought-provoking, opinionated look at the biggest quarterback and organizational stories in the NFL, in Colin Cowherd's signature candid and analytical style, supported by sharp local journalism and lively co-host banter.

Transcript

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[Sophie Cunningham]

Lamar.

[Colin Cowherd]

This year the Ravens started Tyler Huntley in a game, scored 30 points and beat the 73 Chicago Bears and look good, looked really good with Tyler Huntley. Just think about how valuable Josh Allen is in the past two months. He's got to score minimum three touchdowns to just win games. Last year, Patrick Mahomes was 16th in passer rating, only ninth in touchdown passes, and yet the Chiefs went 15 and 2 because Kansas City, top to bottom, does so many things well. Jalen Hurts had the same number of touchdown passes last year as Kirk Cousins and they won the super bowl because Philly does so many things well. Even Joe Burrow, they couldn't make the playoffs with him. But when he gets hurt, Flacco still comes in and throws for 250 yards. The offense still works. Josh Allen has to be superman for Buffalo to just win games. Think about this, and this is one of the reasons I thought Josh was the mvp and I lied. I'm a Lamar Jackson defender. But from 2000 until Lamar Jackson showed up, the Ravens were not only good, they won two Super Bowls. And not with Joe Montana. With Joe Flacco and Trent Dilfer, the Ravens could win Super Bowls pre Lamar Jackson with what you consider to be, you know, middling quarterbacks. Although Flacco was pretty good. Baltimore, excuse me, Buffalo couldn't win a playoff game. Couldn't win a single playoff game before Josh Allen. That's the difference. They're building a new stadium in Buffalo for one reason, not because it just got chilly. The snow flurries didn't just happen in the last two years. They're building it because of Josh Allen, because the game he played New England, 45 mile an hour winds and New England won and only had to throw like three times. And they're like, you know, this northeast weather may get in the way of Josh Allen's greatness. He's literally getting a billion dollar plus stadium built. And it's not just this year that he has 28 total touchdowns, most in the league or 37 offensive touchdowns, most in the NFL. The Bills do as a team, it's that 76% of their offensive touchdowns come from one guy. I mean, if he was a stock, your financial advisor would tell you to diversify. You've got too many eggs in one basket. The Chiefs, the Ravens, the Eagles, they've won Super Bowls. With Nick Foles and Trent Dilfer, they've been winning way before their star quarterback showed up. Buffalo could win a playoff game for 25 years. 1. Here's Sean McDermott. Bills play tonight on Josh Allen. When he's on his game, you look out. I mean, he's the best there is in the business. And he was on his game last.

[Advertiser/Promo Voice]

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[Colin Cowherd]

And the offense was rolling. Okay, so we've been on something for a while and I do think the smarter viewers and listeners in Pittsburgh agree with us. We, you know, there's There's a percentage of fans who just can never see. They got the blinders on. But there's a story today, a headline that says the Steelers have yet to get their money's worth on DK Metcalf. So he's having career lows. And I warned you about this. I said he's moody. He does not run a great route tree and Seattle knows that. JSN's a more complete receiver. But DK Metcalf is just a symptom of. Of a greater sickness called an offensive plague. For seven years, doesn't matter who the quarterback is in Pittsburgh. The coordinator, the running back, the left tackle, they're bad on offense. It's an underlying issue. I'll give you an example. George Pickens leaves Pittsburgh. He is lighting it up. Lighting it up. Most yards, touchdowns through 10 games. More this year than all of last season. George Pickens has exploded, leaving Mike Tomlin's team. DK Metcalf is having career lows, yet he was better in Seattle with Geno Smith than he is now with Aaron Rodgers. I have been saying for years, are the Steelers just a more stable version of the New York Jets? Were great. Players leave and get better. Coaches leave and are better. They enter, everybody shrinks. Think about this. I'll give you another example. Kevin Dotson, offensive guard, wasn't slated. Mike Tomlin did not see him as a starter. Since McVay and the Rams have picked him up, he's a top two offensive guard in the league. John Ooh Smith, Pro Bowl, Miami last year, Steelers bring him in. He has 165 total yards. Are you seeing a trend? Trying to get the Steelers to understand offense is like trying to get your grandparents to understand 6, 7. The jets and the Steelers. Talented athletes enter and shrink. Jets and Steelers, talented athletes exit and shine. John Ooh Smith, Kevin Dodson, DK Metcalf, George Pickens, it doesn't matter. The quarterback is. You can all blame Aaron Rodgers. It's not an Aaron Rodgers issue. That's why I've been defending Aaron all the time. Aaron just stepped into the Pittsburgh Steelers quicksand right now. This year, the Steelers wide receivers have the fewest targets and receptions in the league. What do you think? Aaron can't get the ball to him. I have been defending Aaron all year, saying, throw to the tight ends, throw to the tight ends. Like that's, that's that. Those are the money shots for this offense. They have enormous size. So it's just very interesting. People looked at the DK Metcalf signing And went, oh, sort of like Tyreek Hill. Oh, he's going to change everything in Miami. Not outcomes. DK Metcalf going to change everything. The Steelers have become a more refined, less chaotic version of the Jets. Offensive players go to Pittsburgh and New York and they shrink, they exit and they shine. I mean, look at Sam Darnold now. Look at George Pickens now. Look at Kevin Dotson now. And yet John Smith, with Miami's a Pro Bowler. He's lost in Pittsburgh. So Aaron wants to play this week. Aaron is going to do it if he's healthy. But everybody's pointing at Aaron. It's not Aaron. Here's Mike Tomlin. He's the type of guy and has the type of profile that doesn't require.

[Advertiser/Promo Voice]

A lot of physical work in an.

[Colin Cowherd]

Effort to be ready to play. And that's helpful.

[Advertiser/Promo Voice]

A little later in the week, we'll.

[Colin Cowherd]

Take a look at Aaron. And again, as I mentioned, the variables.

[Advertiser/Promo Voice]

Are stabilizing it and making sure that.

[Colin Cowherd]

He'S safe and he can protect himself, brace himself as he falls, et cetera, pain tolerance.

[Advertiser/Promo Voice]

But that doesn't seem to be an issue with Aaron. He wanted to go back in the game on Sunday.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So this again, DK Metcalf, is just a symptom of it. It is a much bigger underlying issue offensively. Last six, seven years, bottom five offense. How's that possible? They've drafted good players. They have good players. Boy, you start looking at Kevin Dotson and you start looking at Metcalf shrinking and George Pickens exploding and John Smith shrinking. They've had different coordinators at different quarterbacks. They bring it in all sorts of different, and it's always the same. And it's also a team that tends to get worse post Thanksgiving. You know, there are varying arguments why, but if you start looking at their schedule, last year, they fell apart late. Start looking at them now. Start looking at that schedule. Ravens late. At Cleveland, at Detroit, at Baltimore. Here comes Buffalo at Chicago. Is this weekend the beginning of a harsh slide into the toilet? We'll see. Interesting story. It is interesting by a very reputable journalist from Philadelphia. Very. I mean, he's up for the Heard Big J Journalism Award. A journalist has come out. J. Mac. And he's saying, listen, I've been covering this Philadelphia Eagle team for a long time. And, you know, this is. You and I are, you know, up here. We're not boots on the ground. And when you used to cover a local team when you were a sports writer or when I was doing local TV And I could be in the Blazers locker room and the Buccaneers locker room. It's a big advantage. You hear stuff, you see stuff and you've got all sorts of sources and people that, you know, if people have, you know, an ax to grind, they love athletes and coaches and you know, executives love to text you. Well, there's a, there's a journalist in Philadelphia saying, yeah, this, this Eagles locker room, it's not all A.J. brown, a hardened, reputable journalist, an ink.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Stained wretch is just voicing, you know, listen, this is the climate we're in though, Colin, right now, honestly, the only way to break through and get clicks and go viral is to have the off the record stuff, the incendiary comments. Well, hey, everything, being peachy keen with the super bowl champs, that ain't clicking, that's not making the herd, right? Would you agree with me?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I don't think this writer cares about making the herd. I don't think that's his goal.

[Domonique Foxworth]

And getting on TV shows, having people talk about him on national radio, tv, that's what, that's what you get when you get, hey, the locker room is a powder keg. I mean, they've won 27 of their last 30 games or something like that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I'll just, I'll just report on this respected journalist reporting around the corner. I think he won some Cronkite awards, I'm not sure. But be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, we're Cavino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We, we never get to everything honestly because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubberlips. Blaming me. Well, you know what it's called? Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been overpromising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be part of it. We're going to be talking sports, of course, but we're also going to talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough covino and Rich. Make sure you check out Over Promise and also uncensored by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go. Over Promising and remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely join us Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday. And let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what are we even doing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Foreign. You're now entering the no Bull zone, sponsored by Credible Great rates. None of the bull. I love good journalism. I know because I am on for three hours a day and I'm not in arenas and locker rooms. I need sources, but I depend greatly on really smart journalists and reporters and we try to give them all credit. I, I think it's very interesting. So Derek Gunn has been covering the Eagles for years and he started talking on the Seth Joyner, I guess it was show or podcast about the staff getting frustrated in Philly with Jalen Hurts. He said, I'm basically telling you there's a, there's people in that organization that are frustrated with the quarterback situation right now. And I want you to listen to a guy that covers the Eagles and has for years, Derek Gunn. Those things are dissected on film during practice. Those things are talked about among the quarterback coach, the offensive coordinator, the head coach. It has been constantly discussed all season long. Yet when they transition to a field, on a football game, he plays his game, not the game the coaches want him to play. When you look at a lot of quarterbacks, they're going to sling it, they're going to try to throw it through an eye of a needle. Sometimes you just have to take that chance. That's not his game. That's why he stands back there a lot of time. He's patting the ball, patting the ball and, and it throws the timing of the office off. The rhythm is thrown off. I don't think at this point they can get, they can't get him out of it. They can't get him out of it. So why do I believe Derek Gunn? Why do I believe Derek Gun's not spitballing? Because this is exactly what I told you after what I heard this summer. I said it in July or August that I was told that he wasn't hurts, wasn't that popular with coaches or the locker room. He's not a go, he's not a raw, raw, let's go out and get beers guy. He's very much his own man, his own beat. I respect the hell out of him. High IQ high, eq, great leadership. Tough as a cheapstake, the kid is. I like him. I don't think he's great from the pocket, but I heard from somebody very close. It is an impenetrable source. One of my best. And he's like, you know, that popular. And it's not. Russell Wilson, Seahawks, bad. It's not that. I'm not saying that, but there is a sense by some of the people that he's a little. A little cliched, a little too polished. Here are some of the things he has said when he goes to a podium in and around the area. In Philadelphia, you either win or you lose, or you either win or you learn. That's how I feel. You either win or you learn. Money is nice. Championships are better. And you go through the course of these things and you learn that success isn't built off of approval, built off of endurance. It's built off of strength. I know I didn't walk through this, walk through that fire just to smell the smoke. So you don't finish it off like that. Thank you. You know, listen, you could say he's just being philosophical. Well, never forget, Socrates was not popular in his locker room either. People don't want Socrates or Aristotle. They want a guy. Brady's pounding beers in the off season with a slot receiver from Lehigh. You know, I mean, Mahomes, Peyton Manning, they're one of the guys. Jalen's not really, I've been told, one of the guys, but I'll defend him because he wins. He's tough. Philadelphia is a loud, loud city. Talk radio is huge. Columnists are aggressive. I mean, they've got their security guard. Sirianni is animated. It's not an easy town to win. It's as tough a job. I mean, Bill Parcells told Annie Reid when he took that job, it is the toughest place to coach in the league. So I think his personality works in Philadelphia. I think Jalen, Dak Prescott, Jalen, Justin Herbert, those kind of guys would work in Philadelphia because they kind of diffuse heat and noise. But he is, I was told this summer, you know, he's. He's not that popular. I'm not saying quarterbacks have to be, but it really does help if you're a unifier. So. And the other thing is, he's going to average. He's on track to have under 200 yards passing per game this year. An offensive league with a great O line, with an offensive head coach and two great receivers. So again, he's winning that cures everything, and he's winning big. But Philadelphia got rid of Carson Wentz. You know, I mean, Philadelphia, and he was going to be an MVP that year. So Philadelphia does things that bad teams do. They just do it well. They make a lot of moves with coaches. They make a lot of moves with players. And I. All I'm saying is there is a story today. Derek Gunn, longtime Eagle reporter, is saying essentially what I was told this summer. He had more information than I did, but I was told that Hertz isn't one of the guys. He's a little slick, probably more mature than the average young professional athlete. But I don't think it's a fire. I don't think it's noise. But it's actual journalism. It's actual historian. Remember, local reporters would rather not get pushback and hate mail. Most local reporters don't have the courage to print really unpleasant news. Much easier for me to do it. I don't live in Philly, so, I mean, Derek Gunn doesn't wake up thinking, hey, I got bad news for you. Because then Derek has to go back into that locker room, and Derek's got to go interview that coach. So when I was in local markets, I remember being outspoken and sometimes viewed as negative, and I was just like, oh, it's my job. I don't care if I. I'll go face the. The heat in the locker room. But I'm not gonna lie. So I. I appreciate anytime a local reporter can deliver really unpleasant news. I think it's hard, much harder than it is for me here, sitting, you know, thousands of miles away. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.

[Domonique Foxworth]

We got an animated cowherd today. I like it spicy. Let's get started with Caleb Williams and your Chicago Bears, Colin. They are the most unlikely division leader at this point in the season. Remember, negative six point differential. Here's Caleb Williams talking about the team's mindset going into the final stretch of the season.

[Colin Cowherd]

And this is speaking on quarterback terms. You know, I don't know if you can go 25 for 25, but I do know that you can go one for one, you know, each and every single time. 25 times. And so just focusing on where we're at and focusing on being 1 and 1. And that's. That's me saying 100%, but that's 1 and O this week. And, you know, we focus on that. We go 1 and O each week. You know, we'll be exactly where we want to Be boy living in the moment. I like that.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Everybody's sounding like Russell Wilson these days, huh? You can't look at all those. One. One at a time. One brick at a time.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right?

[Domonique Foxworth]

Interesting. Colin, you're really loving these Bears team. Let's just. I don't know if we can call the schedule up, but they better beat Pittsburgh this weekend.

[Colin Cowherd]

And if they do, they're eight and three. Now come on.

[Domonique Foxworth]

That, that ain't. That does not lock up anything because they're losing a Philly.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not saying lock up, but if A team is 8 and 3 in the national Football League, that's a good team.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Oh, heck yeah. That's a major improvement. Ben Johnson's a win. But again, the schedule. They're losing at Philly. Probably losing at Green Bay. Probably losing in Green Bay again, San Fran and Detroit. I. I mean, if they finish nine and eight and miss the playoffs, it's still a successful season.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, not. Not if they beat Pittsburgh this weekend to go 8 and 3. If they beat Pittsburgh this weekend. I think they will. They're a double digit win team.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Okay, fine.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Give me the other. Okay, with the Pittsburgh win, give me the other two wins. Browns is one at home.

[Colin Cowherd]

We'll give you the Brown Browns at home and Green Bay at home. Okay, I'm sorry. I've watched Green Bay lose to Carolina at home at Lambeau and Cleveland. I. I'm not blown away by Green Bay.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Fairly certain Green Bay's one like 15 of 16 from the Bears. I've got to double check my math on that one. But just don't just temper expectations. The playoffs are not a lock. All right, let's go to a team in dire straits. Colin. The Kansas City Chiefs. Boy, people at this network are really nervous because you know what, if they lose to the Colts this weekend, it's starting to feel like no playoffs this year. You know, like I called. Anyways, here's Patrick Mahomes talking about the Chiefs offense, which stinks out loud right now.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm just not making the throws is pretty much the biggest thing. Guys are getting open and give me chances to make the. The plays down the field as I give them chances to make plays.

[Domonique Foxworth]

What happened to Xavier Worthy and Jerry Rice? I'm sorry, Rashi Rice.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why? Why? Here's my thing. Three days ago I said part of the reason they're losing his Mahomes. Everybody's like, whoa, Patrick Mahomes comes out and says, one of the reasons we're losing is me. It. There's no Question about it is right now on the road, he has been a C quarterback. He has not played well on the road. He's been pretty good at home and that's okay. There's. It's easier to play at home than it is on the road. I'm not saying Patrick's alone on that, but Patrick, the last two years, when you get him away from Arrowhead and this year specifically, he's not a very good quarterback. He's really been average. Josh Allen is superman regardless where you put him. Patrick has struggled away from Arrowhead this year.

[Domonique Foxworth]

So last year they basically luck boxed their way in all these one score games to 11 and oh, a couple of those go the other way and it's like, oh, maybe the Chiefs aren't amazing. So now it's all falling apart. And Colin, the tackle issue is real.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Okay. Juwan Taylor grades out as the 69th of 76 tackles. He has the most penalties of any right tackle in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

And Josh Simmons, yeah, that's their number one issue in the draft is getting a right tackle.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Then he left too. Yeah, I mean Josh Simmons kind of vanished for a little while. Had a personal issue. He came back. He was not outstanding. I'm just, you know, the Colts, I don't know if they can get after the quarterback enough. But I'll just say this. Between their defensive coordinator and their offensive mind, they had an entire off week to prepare for this game. I just need Chiefs fans to be ready. There's a world where the Colts come in there and then there's win just outright. 24, 20, 21, 20. I would not be surprised if Indy won this game.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is a stay away game for me. It's a stay away game. I think Indy Alpha buy is good. What's interesting to me about this game is I think we're going to get a bit of a shootout because the Colts with that old line and that run game off a buy are going to score. And I think Kansas City against that Colts back end. I'm interested to see Sauce Gardner now has been in the system for a few weeks. I'm interested to see what sauce does with the Colts. This game's a really interesting game.

[Domonique Foxworth]

So a lot of zone from the Colts which could make sauce very dangerous. Long arms, good instincts. Just be careful. Chiefs fans final story is not great from the New York Giants. Abdul Carter, this was. This kind of flew under the radar. Colin, he was benched early against the packers and reports surfaced that he basically was in a recovery session instead of being In a team meeting, there was another report that he was asleep and, and, and missed a walkthrough. Abdul Carter finally talked about it. The number one pick out of Penn State. I feel like it's not how you start, it's how you finish. So I'm going to finish strong. This is on the heels of Dan Campbell, the Lions coach, saying he. He's sensing a fresh energy from Giants interim coach Mike Kafka. Obviously, Lions are big favorites. Colin, I do want to add one of the reports said Brian Dabel. This was happening with Abdul Carter earlier this year, and Dable was just like, okay, fine, get better. But he didn't bench him. Dable trying to keep his job. So Kafka comes in. I'm ruling with an iron fist.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're not.

[Domonique Foxworth]

You're not doing this on my watch.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, the knock on Kafka was that he was pro player doesn't have a ton of presence. So maybe this is Kafka showing people upstairs. This is Mike Kafka saying, hey, if I'm named coach, none of this nonsense is going to work. So I do think when you're an interim coach, let's be honest, you're the substitute teacher trying to impress the principal. You want to make sure the students tell the principal in the lunchroom. Man, we were like, Mr. Brady's really, really good. This is Mike Kafka knowing hearing his weaknesses is not really a burst through the door. Hold player accountable. Doesn't have a brable Sean Payton presence. And maybe he's trying to show a little of that to the guys upstairs, the owner and Joe Shane.

[Domonique Foxworth]

And at the same time, I'm going to give Dabeol a pass for not benching him because Daboul's fighting for his job. And we all have done crazy stuff to fight for our job. Like Dabo wants to stay employed. I'm just going to go on record. I think Brian Dabel's going to be a head coach in the NFL next season.

[Colin Cowherd]

So do I. And by the way, I think Robert Salah for the Niners is. I think. I think Salah and D. Are both getting another shot.

[Domonique Foxworth]

Yeah, or D could go to college if he wants. There are colleges interested in him.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. So I don't get this take at all. Pat, 40. I know Pat. He's a sports writer, covers college football. The headline of the story is Lane Kiffin's Coaching Circus is sabotaging old Mrs. Great College Football Playoff dream, huh? Lane Kiffin is under contract at ole miss until 2031. He has no obligation to publicly sign an extension on Ole Miss's terms. Well, Kurt Signetti. Kurt Signetti doesn't have Lane Kiffin's leverage. Kurt Signetti is not being recruited by NFL teams. Lane Kiffin is. Lane Kiffin can go pro or college. Matt Rule came out. Matt Rule doesn't have Lane Kiffin's leverage. Do you know how rarely college football coaches have leverage? Almost never. So if Lane's got a little leverage and he's under contract until 2031, he's the reason Ole Miss. You're on. He's the reason Ole Miss is relevant today. He doesn't have to. On Ole misses terms when he's under contract for five more years. Come out on your terms. Absolutely not. He's got no obligation to do that. And coaches never have leverage. I mean, you know why he has leverage? Because Florida fired their coach, Billy Napier in season, and LSU fired their coach in season. Lane didn't do that. Lane didn't create it. So Lane. Because LSU and Florida fired their coaches, Lane has to change how he views contract extension talk. What? That's ridiculous. Blame Florida and lsu. But Lane Kiffin, there's no obligation. And by the way, you know who's going to ruin Ole misses playoffs? Ohio State or Georgia? They'll do it for him because they're not beating either of those teams. So, you know, this is so strange to me, this. The idea that he's sabotaging this season. Let me just tell you this. In any profession, if you have five years left on a contract, you're under no obligation to announce publicly, hey, I'm staying forever. I mean, I don't. I understand why Ole Miss is doing it because they've very rarely been this successful and they're terrified. But Lane Kiffin's job is to coach football and win games, not to appeal or appease or placate administrators. You got him under contract for five years. Here was Joel Klatt yesterday, and Lane's future, and he thinks he's leaving. If he wanted to stay, he would stay, and we would have already known it. Look at all the other coaches around the country that have said their staying or signed extensions. And Ole Miss, I know, has told him money is not a factor here. Whatever you get offered, we will match it. So it's not that he's going to make more somewhere else, which is starting to lead me to believe. And again, I. I will fully own. I have been all over the map on on this and Lane, but Lane is a unique cat. Now I don't know if he can come back to Ole Miss. You can't lead him on for this long and now there's going to start to be animus like why aren't you signing an extension? What's the problem? And I think he's going to Florida. Now he may go to Florida. I think Florida is a better job than lsu. But I'll say this again. So Joel's first comments were, well, the other guys are doing it. When the Mariner signed Robinson Kano to a 10 year deal, did everybody else have to sign their all star infielder to a 10 year deal? When the Cleveland Browns guaranteed all that money for Deshaun Watson, why do I have to, as a GM, say, well, I'm going to guarantee my money to a quarterback? Since when do the Cleveland Browns dictate terms? Since when does Ole Miss administrators dictate terms? You're lucky to have him. And yeah, he's going to get offer after offer after offer after offer. If Florida and LSU don't fire their coaches, would you know, we wouldn't be in this situation. So I'm not going to let somebody else dictate my terms, okay? I'm coaching, I'm winning every day. I'm delivering. That's all I care about and that's all Ole Miss should care about. Shador Sanders starting this weekend. I I'm so fascinated by this. Not because of Shador, because of his delusional fanboys. And we'll talk about that. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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Greg Cosell, best 15 minutes every week is joining us. Phil Sim stops by two. So Shedeur Sanders is going to start against the Raiders. I like Cleveland to win. There's something called the Streisand effect. It's when somebody tries to hide news and it ends up making it a bigger story. That's what the Cleveland Brown conspiracy theorists believe is happening, that Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barry are trying to bury Shador Sanders. And therefore these conspiracy theorists think, no, you're not. We're going to make it a bigger story. Dear shedeur Truthers, ask yourself, what does Cleveland or the NFL have to benefit by Sabotaging Shador Sanders, number one. Young fans like him. Week one of the season, he had a top five jersey. He had good ratings in college. He's kind of interesting. I'm interested. Very few mediocre quarterbacks or bad quarterbacks I care about. He's one. He's got some charisma. His dad was a superstar. The NFL. The NFL has made it. And they did this years ago when Jerry Jones complained about Tony Romo getting hit so hard that they've really wrapped their quarterbacks in like, you know, like Saran Wrap to protect them. You can't hit the quarterback. You can't drive them into the ground. They don't like quarterback injuries. They want 32 interesting teams. And right now we've got 10 teams. I won't count Miami because I still think offensively they're interesting. But now that Pennix is out, Atlanta is one of them. We have 10 unwatchable teams. We have 10 unwatchable. It's like the bottom of the NBA. The quarterback is so valuable now. If you don't have the right quarterback, you're unwatchable. And so they want. I mean, the newspaper industry may be dying, but not the Herd Herald. Here are the two headlines the NFL wants. Monday morning. They would. Cleveland would love this. And the NFL would. Shedeur looks prime time. Sanders throws three touchdowns against the Raiders. And if that one's not good enough, how about this one? Shador Enough. Sanders. Right. Fit for Cleveland. Okay, the funny thing about this conspiracy theory, it's got four stages. There's been four different conspiracies. The first one was he dropped to the fifth round. The league is against him. Yeah, I'm not gonna buy into that one. The second one was what? He's on the scout team. He's behind Dylan Gabriel. Okay, the third one was. Oh, so now the Cleveland cops are in on it. They gave him two speeding tickets. So now you have the NFL, Kevin Stefanski and law enforcement are all in on it. And then the fourth one was. I mean, how can you play him? He didn't get any reps with the first team. Josh Dobbs won a game without a practice in Minnesota. Okay, stop. You've got cops in on it, the league in on it, Stefanski in on it, the GM in on it. Here's the truth. And conspiracy theories begin when you just don't like the truth. The truth is he's immature. That's indisputable. And he's not that good. I'm rooting for him because I don't root against young people. Even Baker Mayfield when I used to whack him. Or Johnny Manziel. Like I always wanted him to win. I want him to be good. You watch the one o' clock window? You ever watch the one o' clock window on Red Zone? You it gets ugly fast. They don't put the good quarterbacks in the one o' clock window. Josh Allen's playing later. Lamar Mahomes. They're not in the one o' clock window very often. Right. So Caleb increasingly they want to get him out of the one o' clock window. So here is Shadour on his start against the Raiders. I know our fans have a lot of expectations and hope and I would be doing a disservice to myself and disservice to the organization if I and feel like I am the guy with the circumstances. Everything got be sped up and that's great. You know, I like pressure in life. I'm just excited for everything. This is a bizarrely fascinating game that the NFL can put up the Browns and the Raiders and I, I'm. I want to watch it. My guess is he looks very good on some plays. I always thought he was more mobile than all the, all the NFL draft gurus gave him credit for. We saw him spin move this past weekend. I think he's a little bit more mobile than people think. I also think he throws a pretty ball. I thought he had a throw to the end zone this weekend that should have been a touchdown and he would have capped off the comeback. So. And I also think he's going to throw some really bad picks because he tends to hold on to the ball too long. And I also think he runs backwards, which he did in college. So I think it's going to be a totally mixed bag. I do think he's got the best defense in this game and that gives him a real chance to win. Probably why I would take him. I like his coach better and I like his defense better. So I think Cleveland's going to win with him. But he's going to run backwards on more than one occasion. It drives Stefanski crazy. And he's also going to throw a really bad pick. I mean just. But that's the reality of young quarterbacks. But I do think he's more talented than the fifth round. I always did. But you can't deny he's been immature. The speeding tickets, you know, legendary tanking, pre draft interviews, you know, you gotta be, you gotta do better than that. I, I have a lot on this topic. I just Want to share this? Diana Rossini on her podcast dropped this so we all know JJ McCarthy is struggling. He's got the lowest passer rating in the NFL for a starting quarterback. Like by a lot. He's last in completion percentage, TD interception ratio, passer rating among 33 qualified quarterbacks. No reason to bury the kid, but he's not great at all. But she said there's an interesting line here. But more than that, it's the vibes around him all season have been weird. From how he was really doing in camp, it was like they were hiding or suppressing information to the fact that Carson Wentz, we discovered, was actually trying to play through a torn labrum before finally going on IR. And then suddenly JJ McCarthy was healthy enough to play once again. It does feel weird. And now I've said play him until the end of the season. I There's no reason to not play him. But this does. This does. Diana Rossini's opinion here does validate and double down on a truth if he was a cornerback, a wide receiver, a weak side linebacker, or a safety, I wouldn't care as much about his slow start. I would be willing to be more patient. But the reason I'm so brutal on Johnny Manziel or Baker Mayfield or Cam Newton or a J.J. mcCarthy is quarterback is the one position that everybody relies on, including the coach, to eat in the NBA. Over my lifetime, it's become almost, almost positionless. I mean, what is LeBron? Whatever they need that night. Shooter, distributor, three, four. But even parents with their children will name a specific child to be executor of the will. They feel he or she's better with money, assets and responsibility. Even a parent has a hierarchy in the will for their own kids. And that's the reality of pro football college too. But more pro football quarterbacks have to be more mature, faster. And the weird thing doesn't play. And for the record, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, Drake May are durable and nobody wants to hear this, and it sounds unfair, but JJ McCarthy could have 27 starts already and he's got five. So one of the reasons people worried about panics. Oh, he's hurt again. And Jaden Daniels, the number one concern was durability. He's hurt again. So some of this is if JJ was coming in and lighting the world on fire, you could stomach the durability issues. But it's the weird stuff, the durability. He's struggling and it's unfair. But quarterback's different. Maturity matters. Starting quickly matters. Durability matters. It just all matters more right I I don't mind if I got a little flaky outside linebacker corner got a little ego. Can't have a quarterback like that. Just can't. It's unfair but it's true. Greg Coselne.

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