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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - Kevin Durant is a mercenary, Luka Doncic looks in shape, comparing Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, here we go. On a Wednesday. NBA opened up last night. That was fun. Way to go NBC. That wasn't bad at all. Little M.J. here we are. Wherever you may be, however you may be watching or listening, we're in Chicago. It's the hurt little crisp this morning in Chicago as the NBA season starts in earnest last night. J. Mac, everybody. Yesterday is talk. We, we've discussed this. The west is loaded. It's insane. I don't think Golden State's going to be a playoff team. I think the Lakers will struggle like a 6 or a 7 if LeBron is healthy. I think Minnesota could win it. I think OKC is good. I think Denver could win it. I think Dallas is wildly underrated. Houston is the team to keep your eye on because there's elements. They have two young stars I love, but they brought in an old guy last night, Kevin Durant, and let's talk about Kevin Durant. So Kevin Durant came in last night, played okay. But if you watch the game is, you know, they got to figure out how to get in more shots. He was kind of lost, especially late in the game. So they're, they're a collection of talent at this point. This is, I'm a little bit of a pushback guy on Houston. They lost their point guard, Fred Van Vliet injury. So they're a team without a quarterback. They're a collection of really talented musicians with no conductor or lead singer. And at the end of the game, I mean, they led by 12. In the third, they led by six with four minutes to go. But when two good NBA teams play, it always comes down to the final four or five possessions. Final two and a half minutes. That's, that's what it comes down to. And Katie was lost. They were disorganized. He called a timeout. They didn't have. He wasn't bad. He looked like he was a hired mercenary. Oh, wait, that's what Kevin Durant is at this point. He is a 37 year old gifted bucket getter. And Oklahoma City, all these guys have been playing together for a couple of years. OkC, you better beat him Soundly. If the games are close, especially now with all the KD brand new to Houston, they're not going to look good late, they look good first half, they look good third quarter, they look good with about five minutes to go. But late in the game, OKC has been through this. These guys been playing together three, four years. Um, so at this point, Kevin Durant's not a culture guy. He's not a two way player. Actually. He's not a grind for 82 game guy. He is a mercenary. In fact, his Twitter handle is easy money sniper. And that's only because I get paid to shoot a lot. Was too long. That's what he is. And in the final, I mean, he had more fouls than buckets made in the second half in ot. He just didn't do much. And that's because it's brand new. He's kind of a limited, great sniper. He comes out, makes big shots and OKC's got defenders and depth and size and experience now and youth and they're just better team that's been playing together longer. So he has value. Kevin Durant clearly has value. But when I watched Houston last night without a point guard, it's point guard by committee. Amen Thompson, great talent. Alperin Shengoon, best player on the Rockets, much better than KD at this point. Kid made the All Stars at 22, he's now 23. Alpern Shangun's their best player. He's basically about 90, 80% of Jokic. He didn't. He's not as big and forceful as Jokic, but the touch, the finesse. He can pass, he can hit threes. Kevin doesn't need to be their best player and he's not going to be. He's not the athlete of Amen Thompson. He doesn't have the youth and the overall skill and ability and of Al Prin Chengun. That's not what he is. He's paid to hit buckets and he'll hit a lot of them. But I watched him last night, my takeaway on Houston, and again it was a fun game and Houston for three quarters was rolling. But it reminded me of the Clippers for years when they had Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. And who's the point guard? Who's running the show? Who's getting us into the offense? That's what it felt like last night. And so the Rockets late looked a little lost. And it's a team without a quarterback with a lot of good receivers and a lot of good bucket getters because amen. Thompson's a student. You one of the best athletes in the league. Not a. Not a. Not a point. I mean, he can play it, but he's not a point. And now Prince and Goon is unbelievable. Like Jokic. He can handle the ball, but he's not a point either. And Katie down the stretch. Fouls. Calling the timeout. They didn't have. He took the hit for the loss. After the game, I found somebody.
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Jason McIntyre
Dan.
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Kevin Porter Jr.
Foul shake.
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Jason Kidd
Put him up.
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Colin Cowherd
Warren, I think those two plays the reason we lost.
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Austin Reaves
That fair to you?
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Kevin Porter Jr.
Yeah. I gotta be better. I gotta knock that free throw down, down. Be more disciplined. So there's opportunities to get a stop to seal the game. They don't come around too often. So I got to be more. Take more advantage of those.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Meanwhile, as we predicted, skinny Luca, skinny jeans Luca is going to score a lot of points, and he did 43. And the Lakers lost to the old Warriors. So skinny Luka, as we told you, he's going to lead the NBA in usage rate. I think he has a chance to win the scoring title. Last night you saw that. He can attack the basket now. I'm sorry, he lost 20. I can actually see his shoulders now. He's going to attack the rim, attack the basket. He beats guys quicker off the dribble. So that is what we thought and what we saw. Secondly the game. Same issues the Lakers had last year, they have them this year. They lack athleticism on the wing. They're going to struggle against teams like Minnesota and OKC on the wing. They're bad defensively in the post they were last year, but they are this year. And LeBron's older and will be available in spurts, and he'll be great in spurts. But Luca, skinny Luca, he's going to score a lot of points. They are a top heavy roster. Last night, Austin Reaves, who scored a lot of stuff late, and Luca combined for 69 points. Nobody else had more than 10. Okay. That's what they're going to be when LeBron doesn't play. By the way, the warriors had four guys, 15 or more. So essentially the Lakers are Luca plus old LeBron, plus lack of athleticism, plus really lousy defending the rim. And that is not good enough in the west with the T Wolves and the Thunder and the Mavericks, I mean, the west is loaded. The Nuggets, I'm not sure. I'm not sure who I like. I think Dallas is better than anybody has given them credit for, so. And the other thing, the lakers are and J.J. reddick got ticked off about this Last year the Lakers were a terrible third quarter team. And last night, despite the fact that Luca in 12 minutes had 13 points, last night they were a terrible third quarter team. Why this is my opinion because the third quarter is when you go in at half and the really smart coaches pull some levers. Let's have a good. How many levers are there to pull? They can't defend the rim. They're not athletic enough. LeBron didn't play heavy reliance on Luka. 13 points, 12 minutes. There's not a lot of levers here. Right there just so much. I mean it's just like sometimes NFL teams, the Raiders can go in at half. Geno's Geno, where are the levers? Some teams have multiple levers. Denver's got levers. You know, Eagles have levers. The Tampa Bay's got them. What are the Lakers? What do you, what do you do at half? What are you going to change? So my takeaway is remember this is very important to remember and this is why LeBron felt a little disengaged last night. And this is a real thing. So Laker fans don't forget this next sentence. They have got new ownership, but they made the Lakers new owners made a very public statement this summer. They want to be flexible in 2026 and 2027. It's 2025. This is the first time in LeBron's career they're not going for a ring. The games are going to be sold out. Skinny Luka LeBron maybe his last year for the first time ever, the ownership is not afraid of LeBron and they're not building a team for LeBron. The Lakers are Luka JJ Redick and the future and flexibility next year in the year after the draft next year is going to be very good. There's going to be opportunities down the road. So the new Laker and it took this Laker ownership, this new group when they bought the Dodgers it wasn't about winning a World Series the first year. They identified their stars, moved off some embraced others. Long term build to be viable. Like the, like The Dodgers are 13 straight postseasons. So these new owners, this is a Luca JJ Redick long term build. They would love to be a playoff team. They would love to have home playoff games. They would love to drive that playoff res revenue. They'd love to win a title. They're not winning a title. They're not. They're not getting out of the West. They're not getting to the Western Conference finals. Luca Old LeBron Lack of athleticism, no rim protector defensively. In the east, you could get to a conference final. In the west, it's going to be hard to win a series. So LeBron's not happy about it, but for the first time, he's not driving this bus. Luka, though, the weight loss, he's quicker. He attacks the rim. He didn't do that last year. A lot of fallaways, a lot of settling. He's back to attacking the rim. Here's Luka after.
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Austin Reaves
Yeah, I feel it. Like I say, you know, less tiring, better shape. So just trying to get a win. You got to try and be physical. You know, obviously if they're in bonus, it's a little bit harder. By the end, you got to get a stop. That's what kind of win you the game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, this is not going to be a great defensive team. Great defensive teams are great protecting the rim and hyper athletic. That's why, like Minnesota when they played them last year, Gobert protects the rim. You know, they got their very highly athletic wing defenders. There are certain components. You need to be a good passing team in the NFL. Like a good offensive line, a. A quarterback over 510, maybe a viable veteran tight end. Good twitchy young receivers. It's the same thing in the NBA. You want to be a great defensive team, you have to be a great rim defender. You, you got to have somebody at the iron. They, they don't really have that. They didn't last year. They made a move. They don't this year. It's what they are. And they're not super athletic on the wing. At least not athletic enough to beat.
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Colin Cowherd
So I. But I. But I do think if you love Luca, I can see his shoulders now. I mean, what has he lost? 27, 28 pound me. He's much, much quicker. Plays downhill much more often. That was fun. J. Mack, I know you're a bit of a Laker fan. That must have felt really good last night.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, my gosh, it was excellent. First of all, happy the NBA's back. Second of all, Luka Doncic looks again like the best player in the league. I don't want to hear this SGA is better than Luca nonsense, but I think you're overreacting just a tad on the Lakers. Okay? Two new starters. You're missing an all NBA player in LeBron. The top two minutes. Guys off the bench just joined the team. Like, let's pump the brakes on the panic can't win a series. I think this team definitely has the players to get to the NBA Finals. Undeniably, I wouldn't would not surprise me at all. Problem is you got to get everybody healthy.
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Colin Cowherd
Is that after a Giannis trade at the deadline, I think you're under Are.
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Jason McIntyre
You giving up Austin Reeves in a package for Giannis? I don't know if I am, Colin. Okay, I probably am. But Austin Reeves was really strong last night. And by the way, that warriors take warriors not going to the playoffs. That veteran team look really good together.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, three months off, it's easy to look great in the opener. Yeah, check in, check in in February 8th and see how young they look.
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Jason McIntyre
The dog days of February, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, there's a lot of stuff going on today. Sean Payton insulted Russell Wilson and he clapped back. Joel Klatt stops by. I I I am going to I Michael Jordan showed up for NBC. I I've got some thoughts on that around the corner as well.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Get almost anything you need delivered with UberEats. What do you mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? Very much a yes. An afternoon stroll? Sorry, no. A burrito bowl? Happily, yes. All right, delivery is on its way. I use it regularly. How about the clear skies? Can't deliver that. But French fries? Yeah. A little escape? No. Delicious bowl of grapes? Yeah. How about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But barbecued prawns? Order it now. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. Seat for details. Welcome back. Joel Clatt. Top of next hour. So very interesting game. For the first time ever, former Packer great Aaron Rodgers, now a Steeler. He and the Steelers will host Green Bay. Aaron tends to have a long memory. He's going to face the team the packers he built his legacy on and it let him Go. And moved on to Jordan Love. So the packers and the Indianapolis Colts are the only teams in the NFL left with only one loss. Packers also have a tie against the Cowboys. And nobody quite knows what to do with Jordan Love. So I went back this morning and I went to Aaron's super bowl winning year. That's 2010. And I went back and looked, where was he through six games? And I looked at Jordan Love through six games. Their first six games, Jordan was way better passer rating, fewer picks, team was scoring more, much better completion percentage, one more game. So Jordan Love this year, through the first six was better than Aaron in the year he won his first Super bowl. And both were 27 years old. Aaron was cooler. Aaron's personality was more out there. Aaron kind of plays the position. Although I think Jordan loves cool Aaron. The way he lets go of the ball was kind of, you know, throws it with no feet on the ground. Aaron was a very unique quarterback, and he was cool and he was carrying the torch. At that time, when he was 27, it was a very thin group of ascending young quarterbacks. Favre was in his 40s, and McNabb was still around. And it was, you know, Aaron. Aaron's making a Pro bowl, and he's in, you know, mid-20s, 26, 27 years old. And it was Brady and it was Breeze and it was Manning and Farbs around, and there's McNabb and an older Tony Romo's getting beat up every week. Before, the Cowboys had a great offensive line and. And then there was Aaron. Well, the difference is Jordan Love. There's all sorts of great young quarterbacks now, even the ones we're not totally sold on. Caleb Williams are insanely talented. Drake May looks like a Pro Bowler. Jaden Daniels last year, unbelievable. Justin Herbert, there's just more good quarterback play. You go back to Aaron at Jordan Love's age, and it was like Aaron and a bunch of old guys were stealing the headlines. It was. It was a bunch of Favre and Brady and Manning and breeze and. And McNabb was still hanging around. Now Aaron's the old guy, and the league is all young quarterbacks. It is just a bunch of kids. And so I actually think Aaron is going to do very well Sunday night. I think Aaron's the kind of guy that I think when you're older, you could be a broadcaster, you could be a political figure, you could be a football player. When you get older, you can't work 70 hours a week. You can't grind like you used to. But your best game is still great. The late great Kobe 60 last game he played like you can if Brett Favre was old and rickety. He was still great at the very end. Right. So I think Aaron's going to play well. Steelers are at home. The packers are very talented. They play with their food a little. They let you hang around for a while. Here's Mike Tomlin on the matchup of Aaron and the Steelers against his former team.
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Kevin Porter Jr.
Aaron's been at it a long time. You know, he's got an awesome relationship with this game. I hadn't been with him for a long time, but he's been fired up every single week. I'd imagine it's going to be the same. I'd imagine some external things are going to make more out of it than it is for him. He's playing and playing to win. That's what he does.
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Colin Cowherd
It's just interesting is when. When Aaron was Jordan's current age, he. He felt like he was the young star that was going to carry the next generation of quarterbacks. And as good as Jordan Love is better numbers than Aaron at his age. Right. Like in space. It's just so many good young quarterbacks. There are so many. We're still waiting for Caleb to be great. Jaden already is. I mean Bo Nicks 33 points in a quarter on Sunday. Jackson Dart looks like he's a player. So it's just a different world now the quarterback play in the NFL. This is the golden age. Don't listen to anybody. Don't listen to anybody. You know glamorized and romanticize the Elmo and Marino years. There's never been close to this much quarterback talent. It is unbelievable. I mean this year the next NFL draft may have six quarterbacks drafted. May and the best one of them may be the younger redshirt freshman at Notre Dame. Carr. He may be the best. Ain't not draft eligible. J. Mac with the news.
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Jason McIntyre
No no no no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news.
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Jason McIntyre
All right Colin, let's start with the only thing more exciting than Cooper flag in Dallas. That's the Cowboys offense. Holy cow, it has taken off like a rocket ship. CD Lamb is in the sixth year of his career and he says he has never seen this good of an offense in Dallas.
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Austin Reaves
This one the best one I've been on and I've been on some great ones. It's just the way that we can move around these pieces and these players and everybody know everywhere to go we can line up faster than Any. It's tough.
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Colin Cowherd
It's tough.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I said yesterday, Schottenheimer deserves a lot of credit. I mean, obviously Dak Prescott's been sensational. Pickens has been big. But I gotta give Schottenheimer props. This was a guy who languished with my jets for many years. Bounced around the league as an oc Never did anything like this. So pretty impressive stuff. I didn't see this coming.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I don't think anybody did except die hard Cowboy fan who's thought they were gonna be great the last 30 years. I don't think I will say this. I like draft picks, but giving up just a third round pick, which is a about a 50, 50 hit rate, to get George Pickens was a smart move. Like I understand when people like. I like accumulating a lot of picks, but even in the first round, what is the hit rate? 60%. By the third round it's 45, 50%. I think a big part of this is George Pickens. It forces safeties. Can't cheat in the box. What does that mean? It helps the run game. You can't when CD Lamb goes down without George Pickens. You just cheat. You'd put your safeties in the box. Javante Williams, nowhere to go because it's not a great offensive line. It's not the Lions or the Broncos. The Eagles. But with Pickens and CD Lamb both in there, you have to be honest with your coverage. So absolutely the receiving depth elevates the run game. You can't cheat on the Cowboys with Pickens and CD Lamb. So it's made. I mean, I think the biggest surprise isn't that George Pickens is good. We knew he was good in Pittsburgh. The run game for the Cowboys with an so so offensive line I think has been surprisingly good.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Interesting matchup with the Broncos. So Sir Tan has not been amazing. We know he's talented and former defensive player of the year. Year. Do you have him follow around one of those two or do you just have him go to one side this weekend? I'm interesting to see how Dallas combats this. This will be a much different. Different opponent defensively than the Cowboys have seen recently come.
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Jason McIntyre
So I don't know that it's a lock that they cooked this weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I think. I think first of all, if you watch the Broncos this year, all their games are crazy. There's no, there's. There's no non crazy Bronco game. They're all weird. They're all dramatic for different reasons other than the Tennessee Game in week one, which that was one of our blazing five picks. Like, you know, Cam. Cam Ward against Denver. Remember that first game of the year?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And they won. But it was choppy. It did not look good. I remember that. It did not look good. They won. But Cam Ward actually had some success, has had less since. So all Denver games are wild. I think. I think they'll beat Dallas, but it will be crazy. Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Let's move on to the San Francisco 49ers in Brock Purdy, one of your favorite targets. He hasn't played much. Colin two of the seven games. That's all Brock Purdy's played in due to shoulder and toe injuries. I know you're going to blame it on his size, but sometimes guys just get unlucky. Now Purdy did try to work out leading up to last week's game. Didn't feel good. Now Diana Rossini is reporting his status is up in the air. Everybody thought he would be back. They got the Texans this week. Texans have their own issues with Nico Collins concussion. But this Brock Purdy stuff is starting to get depressing. I just looked around the league. There's 10 week one starters who will not be suiting up likely this weekend. Brock Purdy one of them. I know Mac Jones has been good, but Colin Brock Purdy's better and gives his team a much higher.
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Colin Cowherd
I think Brock Purdy's ability to move is better. But Mac Jones is healthier, throws as good a ball and his sneaky, athletic. Not like athletic, but he runs in some key spots, I think. Let's be totally clear here. If we're going to give love to Baker and we're going to give love to Darnold and Geno Smith on their reclamation projects, that's what Mac Jones is. He's just a younger version. Like Geno disappeared for years and Darnold bounced around and Baker went to Carolina and Mac Jones wasn't that long ago, made a Pro bowl, disappeared in Tampa. He's just a young reclamation project. But we have to be totally fair here. Behind a very mid offensive line. Mac Jones has been very good. We have to be fair. He's been very good. He's a younger reclamation. Usually it's like you got. You got to get humiliated. I mean, at one point you got to, you know, I mean, Baker basically got cut. You know, Darnold was a disaster with the jets and Carolina. Mac just sort of disappeared. He went Bermuda Triangle in Jacksonville. Now as a young guy, Mack looks like. I'll be totally honest, he looks Like a franchise quarterback.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, wait, let's slow down. So first of all, Darnold won 14 games in Minnesota and he's great again this year.
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Colin Cowherd
So a little.
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Jason McIntyre
It's like a 20 game.
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Colin Cowherd
Darnold's a world class athlete.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Max not. But right now, look at quarterback playing the league with a battle line. Iuk Kittle gone.
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Jason McIntyre
He has McCaffrey who's still okay, okay.
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Colin Cowherd
But he's seven, he's got no weapons and he's winning. And they're asking him to throw 40 times a game. Mac Jones has been one of the revelations of the season.
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Jason McIntyre
100%. I'm not ready to say he's a franchise quarterback. He has, he has Kyle Shanahan. Okay? He looks good.
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Colin Cowherd
Can we, can we leave it?
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, we don't need to go overboard.
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Colin Cowherd
That's what I'm saying. He looks good. If a quarterback's good in 2025, he's a franchise quarterback.
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Jason McIntyre
The jets would take good in a heartbeat.
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Colin Cowherd
Where jets would ruin him, but he looks good.
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Jason McIntyre
Stop it. Final stories of Baltimore Ravens. Colin things not looking good. I just saw that the Baltimore Ravens have removed ping pong tables from the locker room. No more video game consoles, the basketball hoop, it's all gone. According to some Ravens beat reporters. It's all business now. And listen, here's the worst news. Lamar Jackson not at the podium today, meeting the media. This is just happening right now. This is when Lamar supposed to talk if he's a starter. So the Ravens media is panicked. I don't, I don't know what to make of this. Are the Bears going to get a free win here?
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Colin Cowherd
First of all, ping pong tables and video games. What is this, Google football?
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Jason McIntyre
You're supposed to have like a laid back atmosphere.
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Colin Cowherd
It's chill football. It's not a tech company in Palo Alto. It's not bring your dog to work day at Apple. These are professional athletes. Go to work, do sit ups, lift a lot of weight, learn plays and go play ping pong tables.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen, it's a, it's a, it's practice. It's during the week. Now I see why we don't have a ping pong table on the set here. We got room for it.
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Colin Cowherd
We used to have a basketball court. Somebody got rid of that. I'll just leave it at that.
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Jason McIntyre
Man, you sound like one of these hard driving bosses. I, I just say crazy. If Lamar doesn't play and they lose this game and fall to one on six, it's over. They're not coming Back from one in six, one in five.
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Colin Cowherd
You can go back to the real story here. The fact that they allowed ping pong tables and video games in a workplace.
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Jason McIntyre
Yet one of the most successful NFL franchises in the last 20 years. Oh man. Sorry to allow fun. I didn't know you were the fun police.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what it's called when you drive up and pull up to Fox? You know what it's called?
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Colin Cowherd
It's not called play. That's when you're on your South Bay El Segundo nights jacking up threes. That's play.
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Jason McIntyre
Why don't you ask Andy Reid if they have ping pong tables?
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Colin Cowherd
I will. I, I have, I have my phone.
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Jason McIntyre
Text Brett Veach right now. Hey, do you guys have a basketball hoop at the facility? Is there any fun allowed? Video game consoles? I guarantee you most teams have this. No, you sound perplexed.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I would be 5050 on whether I'd allow him to eat at the facility. I want sit ups, playbook, film and get out of here. I'm sorry that ping pong tables at work. No thanks J Mac with a news.
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Colin Cowherd
It's like when you pull up to Fox. It's called work Coffee machines. Absolutely. Ping pong tables. I I'm sorry some of you young sparky's out there is. Weekends are for fun, home is for fun. Ping pong tables at work. What is going on? So let me say this. I thought it was cool that NBC had MJ on their, on their coverage. He's 62, reminiscing, embracing the good old days. The NBA is falling into a trap that baseball had for about 20 years. Here's a way to play the game. It was way better years ago. And no it wasn't. That Pacers Knicks series they made a 30 for 30 on was an ugly free throw shooting contest. Nobody could hit an 18 footer outside of Reggie Miller. It was a bunch of bigs who couldn't dribble, didn't have handles and couldn't shoot past like seven feet. But it made for a great 30 for 30. That it did. But last night the NBA had 62 year old MJ in the pregame and was hoping they get 40 year old LeBron and 37 year old Steph to get TV viewers. Baseball has done a rum. I gave up on regular season baseball for 20 years. Baseball's done an unbelievable job in the last three years. Sped the game up, they got rid of the grumpy old guys. The. The old veteran players, they just stopped worrying about the rear view mirror and they started operating through the windshield. And Louisiana. De La Cruz, Cal, Raleigh, Julio Rodriguez, Ohtani Betts. There is so Paul Skeens. There is so much young, amazing talent in baseball, and they are creating games in London. The Home Run Derby, a game in a cornfield. Events like baseball deserves a ton of credit. For 20 years, I stopped talking about it. The last two, three years. I'm totally into baseball. The game's fast. There's more base runners, more stolen bases. You don't have to commit three and a half hours in the regular season to watch a game. You sit down for 45 minutes, you can get three innings if the pitching's good. You know, I like the NBA. I've been watching it since 1972. But they have a little dilemma on their hands. And that is most of the best players are international, and they're not wildly dynamic personalities. They come into the country head down, sleep ball, rinse and repeat. They don't want to do commercials. They don't have big shoe deals. I mean, they have some. They have some, but you don't have a Barkley. You don't have an mj. You don't. Okay, so how do you solve it? First of all, promote, embrace, market ant over and over and over again. Get Tyrese Halliburton's not ready to play because he's injured. Get him on all the broadcasts. I want Tyrese Halliburton 247 on every broadcast. The guy lights the room up. What else would I. Oh, Cooper flag put him on TV 30 times this year. 40 times. Cooper flag. And my. My take on. There's nothing against sga, Jokic, Giannis, great players. I mean, Jokic best player, Sengun. Unbelievable. A lot of these international guys, we didn't watch them in college. We didn't watch them in high school. Right? They. They plop into the league and they're unbelievable within like two to three years. Not big personalities. It's not their fault. The quality of basketball right now in the NBA is the best it's ever been. Everybody can handle the ball. Everybody can run the floor. Everybody can shoot. It's unbelievable how good the quality of play is. It is unbelievable. So. So it's okay. Not everything has to be globalized to the max. You can say our domestic. And I think there's a lot of things that the NBA did wrong that they're trying to switch. Adam Silver would admit this. Please embrace college basketball. College basketball's best players are now staying in college longer because of the nil. Embrace March Madness. Put your arms around March Madness. Get Ant on tv, Cooper flag on TV and get Tyrese Halliburton on every network, Amazon, NBC, abc, ESPN during your telecast. The kid is completely likable. He's engaging, he's funny. So my take is the last American MVP was James Harden in 2018. That is your reality. The best players are international and they're unbelievable. I mean, KD is not the player Alpert Chengun is. Last night Chengun couldn't hit threes and pass and rebound. It's unbelievable how good these international bigs are. Unbelievable. But we've seen the KD and the staff and LeBron and MJ62 and they're all great. But you gotta turn the page on this thing. You gotta market your young guys. Baseball's done it. Take a page from baseball. They've done a great job. So that's my take on it. I'm not anti old guy. As one with gray hair, I'm not anti old guy. But I would put Cooper flag on television. I would open with Cooper flag last night. That's my opener. That is my opener and my closer. And 38 times in the middle of the season, here was Jason Kidd talking about Cooper Flagg's debut.
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Jason Kidd
He competes, his ability to make plays and he has fun while he's out there. I think so. I think you can look for a great season from Cooper. He does have a high basketball iq. I think when you look at the plays he's made on the offensive end and defensive end, he understands the game of basketball for an 18 year old. And it will only get better with the more reps that he's playing.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, just Halliburton and Cooper flight. There's nothing wrong embracing the domestic product too. That's okay. That's okay. I mean, if we send our soccer players over to England and they're tremendous, Christian Pulisic, but you know, over there, you know, they want, they want to talk about their, their stars, their guys. That's okay. I mean, when you watch the Olympics in Italy, they root for Italians. I got nothing against Canadians. I want us to beat the Canadians. It's okay. It's not the end of the world. But I do think you need to embrace these college stars. They're not in college very long and I think you need to embrace them. I'm not against, I got nothing against MJ. MJ's great. He's my favorite player, but I Just think it's interesting, you know, the decisions basketball has made the last couple years. And I've watched baseball just take. Embrace all these young guys and speed their game. Anytime you speed anything up, you're gonna get younger viewers. The longer something takes in sports, I mean, over in the uk, I would imagine the demographics are better for young viewers with soccer than with cricket. Cricket takes days. Soccer takes like 95 minutes. Right. Like, it just. I. My guess would be that's what the demographics would tell you, that cricket has a little bit of an older audience. So. J. Mac, some thoughts on that?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, this is a good take. There's a lot there. I will just say the embracing the old people. Remember the NFL last year kind of screwed the jets by putting Aaron Rodgers in prime time because they wanted New York Aaron Rodgers, old quarterback Aaron Rodgers, the marquee game again this week. So the leagues, I understand wanting to usher in, you know, a proven commodity.
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Colin Cowherd
Aaron, veteran Aaron playing the packers again is absolutely TV worthy.
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Jason McIntyre
That's massive.
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Colin Cowherd
Aaron with the Jets.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, it was on TV all the time. I mean, hell, Aaron Rodgers apparently delayed his going to the Steelers, remember, because he didn't want them to be shoved into prime time a lot. That's what these leagues do. But I don't know, Colin, this Anthony Edwards stuff, I like Anthony Edwards a lot. He has this weird habit where he just says the F word in every interview. Yeah, he's getting fined in the locker room because he can't stop cursing. Like, dude, he's got to grow up a little bit. No. And I don't want to be old guy, but, like, come on, man, stop cursing every interview.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you sit down with him and you talk to him. That's just, you know, it's. Whether it's parenting or managing, I mean, young people are. They've got their own spirit and energy and juice, and that's okay. But I again, as I watched the broadcast last night, my takeaway watching NBA last night was staff LeBron on the bench. KD, MJ. My take was, guys, Cooper Flag should be. I want 40 minutes of Cooper Flag here. That. So those are all conscious decisions when they do the scheduling at Christmas or opening night. These were all conscious decisions. Who do we want the best player for? Houston is not Kevin Durant. No, it's Shen Goon. And it's not even close. He is. He was an all star last year. I think he's. I think he's 23 years old. He's.
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Jason McIntyre
He's awesome.
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Colin Cowherd
He. Jokic is the best player in the league. By the end of this year, Shen Goon could be like third best player in the league. I'm. I'm serious. He's that good.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, real quick. You did note that these European foreign players, by the way, there's 135 of them in the league this year.
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Jason McIntyre
They come in and they're practice games, rinse, repeat. I think that's exactly what you said.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, interesting.
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Jason McIntyre
So, you know, no ping pong tables in the locker rooms in the NBA, huh? You just want all business. That's so you like the European players.
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Colin Cowherd
Best players in the NBA right now are Euros international guys. And they're. And here's what they do. They tend to be more loyal. That's why Luca was so devastated when he was traded. Yeah, I mean, American players, like, yeah, we get traded. Like, Luka was devastated. He was angry. He literally. They talked to him this summer. He was still. And he went to the Lakers. He didn't go, you know, he didn't go to a lousy. He didn't go to the Wizards. He went to the Lakers, which is better for business. And he was still devastated. International players tend to be more loyal. They come over here and it's all business. It's basket. And by the way, season's over. First jet home. They want to go home. I'm defending them. And they're unbelievable players. Way better than the Jordan era. Forwards and centers, not even close. But, but. So they're, they're not dynamic personalities. Embrace college basketball. Halliburton is a marketer's dream. Good looking, funny, quick witted, Dad's a little cray cray. It's all great. Like, embrace it. Cooper Flagg, ant and swears too much. I swear, too much. You know, people just don't hear it. I am proposing a massive NBA trade. Also, Russell Wilson, he's tired of getting ripped. Next.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, everybody thinks this is going to be a blowout. I think you're nuts. I ran into a guy at the train station this morning. His name was Mark and he used to play in a farm system. I think it was Houston's farm system. We were talking about the World Series. He's a big baseball fan and we were talking about this, and I'm like, these people. First of all, Toronto led all of baseball in hits. So Toronto gets runners on. And then they've got. Vlad and Springer are the power hitters, but they get the table set for them. They've got a lot of runners on base. They got contact hitters. The Dodgers swept the Reds. They were overwhelmed, shockingly swept the brewers and disposed of Philadelphia much more easily than I would have guessed. I think Toronto is better than all those teams. Go ask the Yankees. So it. But I will say this. If the Dodgers sweep the Blue Jays or beat them in five, the Dodgers are the greatest baseball team ever or in modern history. Because the Phillies were good, the brewers were excellent. The Blue Jays are better. In Cincinnati at least had talent. So we all know it's not about winning regular season games. Like the Dodgers, very obviously when they got Blake Snell and Tyler Glass. No, they got those guys for September and October. They knew Snell had arm injuries. They knew Glass, go. Glass now had struggled to stay healthy. So the Dodgers built a staff. This is the advantage of the Dodgers money. It's not just signing Ohtani. The Dodgers have an advantage financially. And what they do with it is they go find pitchers that they don't need 30 starts from. They don't need 20 starts from Snell. They need four great starts in September and October. Same with the kid from Tampa. So Andrew Friedman, everybody looks at the money and goes, the money is a great advantage because you get mookie bets. A lot of people could have afforded mookie bets. That's not it. Where the Dodgers use their money brilliantly is getting these high end starters who do have a history of injuries that other teams are reluctant to spend money on because they need the starts. And the Dodgers are like, no, we got Roki and Yoshi. We got a bunch of young arms. We'll get through it. We'll bring you on. You don't have to play that much in the regular season. We don't need that many starts. Be ready by September and October. That's where the Dodgers money is lethal against the sport. Because Snell goes out against Milwaukee and looks like Sandy Koufax. You could, they could not get bat on ball. Didn't hit a ball to the infield past the third inning, which is why I didn't understand why they pulled him. So the Dodgers money helps in a lot of areas, but that's where it's lethal that they can go get glass, snow and Snell, they don't need them until September and October. Mostly don't need them. I don't remember how many starts Snell had, but it was like 10, 11. He didn't start that much. But if they dispose of the Blue Jays, I mean this postseason, here's the run scored in baseball Toronto 71, the Dodgers at 46. So the idea that you're going to just fly through Toronto, no way. They get on base. They put press. Nobody's put pressure on the Dodgers in the postseason. There's nobody on base. Toronto will put pressure on the Dodgers. They'll make Dave Roberts. That bullpen will be up fourth, fifth, sixth inning, the entire series. My guess, I I think it's going to be a very competitive series. I'll take the Dodgers. But they're not. They're not. This is not going to look like the Milwaukee Series at all. Joel Clad around the corner Today's episode.
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