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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - Knicks over the Spurs to win the NBA Cup, comparing Caleb Williams & Bo Nix
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are live in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. You know, it's interesting. I always. There's people out there. One of the things I've learned over the course of my life, people that complain a lot, don't create a lot. So a rule I try to make part of my life is I surround myself with creators and not complainers. It's just a psychology, a psychological truth. It's a psychological truth. I mean, Harvard's done study. Optimists are more successful in life professionally than pessimists. So when anybody rips on the NBA, taking a stab with the NBA Cup, I'm like, you don't even watch the league. You just, you're just a complainer, which means you're not a creator, which means you're a pessimist, not an optimist. No thanks. I don't want that life. So last night I'm watching the NBA cup and I'm like, the NBA got more Wemby on TV and more New York Knicks on tv. I'm for it. Baseball did this. They put baseball games in London. The Yankees, Red Sox, the Mets, Phillies. They'd put them in a cornfield. They put them at Bristol Mortar Speedway. Rob Manfred took six or seven swings. I mean, baseball's on a two to three year heater. The games feel bigger, faster. I like the NBA Cup. I think the other about two weeks ago, I'm walking through an area and there's six TVs on and one of the courts is bright purple. And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, these games are different. I think it's smart. And I watched the players play last night and they're into it. I mean, they were, they were more into this than they were during COVID playing games in Orlando where everybody missed their family. I think the players are into it. So all these regular seasons, the NHL, the mls, baseball, the NBA, baseball, strangely, has been the most progressive and the most willing to take big swings. Kind of pushed that way by Fox Sports are managements, like create events and they work and they get TV ratings and they get people talking. But like, hockey created the. The Four nations tournament, I think, was a massive hit. It was a shockingly big hit. So Silicon Valley is the most innovative place maybe in the world. Certainly in America, their hit rate is probably about 15%. Take a swing. Avoid people who criticize stuff yet don't consume it. Like rural guy in the south ripping California. The weather's perfect and the economy's the fourth biggest in the world. I think California's doing okay. Rural guy maybe go there more than once. A life for Disney. Okay. So I watched the NBA Cup. I don't know how good the Knicks are. They don't have much of a bench. They don't defend the three. I always feel like Carl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson on the floor against the better coach. Teams are a bit of a defensive liability, and Brunson didn't shoot particularly well. Oh, gee, had a great night. But I feel like the four leading odds to win the NBA championship are all out west. And so I just don't know if the Knicks can match an okc. Well, they can OKC or a Denver. I don't know if they can, but it felt like last night. Big third quarter run, 13, 1 run. They were into it. The league is trying to create, like baseball, some memorable events. The Knicks have a new head coach. This may be the biggest championship they win over the next several years, but it's a swing. It's something. I saw Giannis win this thing. LeBron win it. Now the Knicks win it. You can't tell me the league's not happy with it. I don't know, again, how viable the Knicks are in the playoffs. But optimists are more successful than pessimists. And I think Jalen Brunson and Adam Silver both liked it. Here they are.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
A game like this, an environment like this, you don't really see around the NBA too often. And so we got to take advantage of the experience that we got here. I mean, those guys will. I don't think we're having a parade. One the city of New York. Uh, I think it's good that we. That we won this. I think it's good that we were able to. The way we won it, I think is special as well.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, what's working is we wanted more games of consequence, and the players have responded, the fans have responded. Players are definitely responding to the competition. Look at the teams that are here. The games that we saw On Saturday night, you know, and, and across the board I think it's, it's becoming a new tradition in the league. Yeah, I'm never going to criticize one of these sports leagues for taking swings. You know, Rob Manfred. Baseball's always been one that, you know, rests on its tradition and lore. And Rob Manfred's taking a lot of heat and he's like, we're going to speed the game up. Bigger bases regular season, put a guy on second base, no defensive shift and the traditionalists don't love it. Baseball is so much more consumable today than it was five years ago. Not even close. You can, you can turn in for 45 minutes and get three, four innings and the NBA cup, the weird floors. I like the swing, I really do. I appreciate it. And I think the Knicks did too. All right, so I've been saying that you can't love Caleb Williams of the Bears and then not love Bo Nicks of Denver. If you look at their first two years in the NFL, they both have really, really elite, demanding offensive coaches. So it's not like one has a great coach and one has a bum. I'm putting this on the screen for our television viewers. Sorry, radio. They're the same quarterback through two years now. Caleb's got the bigger arm and Bo's a little bit more accurate on the 12 yards and under stuff, swing passes. But they next gen came out with a stat this morning which doubles down and validates what I've been saying all year. Caleb and Bo, they're really the same guy, one with a bigger arm. They're even about the same height, hyper, athletic, very coachable, strangely great in the fourth quarter a little uneven, demanding head coach. So next gen came out with a stat of the fastest quarterback runs this year. Here they are in order to Caleb won. Bo Nix 2, Caleb 3, Caleb 4, Bonix 5, Caleb 6. I was mocked yesterday saying Bo Nix reminds me of a young right handed Steve Young. Steve Young was the fastest quarterback when he played. So I saw Bo Nix in college live twice on TV, 30 times and I kept saying this guy is like super athletic. And now you're seeing it. Lamar. I don't know what's happened to Lamar but he doesn't feel quite as dynamic. Bo and Caleb and look at their teams. I'm telling you, you can't love one without the other. We're spending so much time because Chicago is a big market, a very loud media. I kind of feel like I'm getting the same guy. Demanding coach, durable. Don't Take sacks. At least this year. Caleb's not taken sacks. Better in big games, better in the fourth quarter, which is almost never the case with young quarterbacks. They're usually good on script, early, bad, late in crisis. These two are really special. I think everybody knows Caleb is special. People are reluctant with Bo, Nick, love them both. And here is Caleb on his biggest game, maybe as a pro, against Green Bay this weekend.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
We've played teams that have a bunch of wins. We play teams that don't. We've played close games. We played games where we've beaten teams by a lot. We've played, you know, teams, teams where we had to win with special teams, offense, defense, whatever, running ball, whatever case. And so I feel that we're, you know, we're ready for just about anything. Hot weather, cold weather, whatever the case may be. We're going to go out there and go out there and fight. I do know that and I like our chances, us versus anybody.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think both Denver and Bo and Chicago and Caleb. If you look at the rosters, the coaching and what these teams do well, they're built for the playoffs. This is. These aren't warm weather teams that are finesse and they're throwing the ball over the top. My super bowl bubble as of this morning and I usually have about seven teams in it. My super bowl bubble has the Rams, Seattle and Denver is the teams that should be favored in my super bowl bubble. And then the Bears, Patriots, Texans and the Bills may have a flaw that I don't love. I have the Chargers, Niners and Eagles out of the bubble, but close based on what I view as an issue that's not correctable. O line for the Chargers will eventually be their doom. Defense. Salah is doing an unbelievable job, but it's just not good enough to win multiple playoff games. And I think you have a head coach coordinator issue in Philadelphia. I don't care how good the roster is, they've been broken since week one. This is not like a recent trend. They haven't had back to back great offensive games all year. J. Mack thoughts on that super bowl bubble that has both Caleb and Bo.
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Ryan Wilson
Nicks and no defending super bowl champion Eagles at first blush. You know, it's funny, I was talking about this with someone on my podcast last week, Colin. I don't understand who the clear favorites are right now. The league is so wide open heading into these playoffs that at first blush, I don't totally hate this super bowl bubble. I know people are scoffing like, come on Broncos. If the Broncos made the Super Bowl. I wouldn't be shocked. It's so wide open. The Chiefs have fallen off badly. No Joe Burrow. We don't even know if Lamar Jackson's getting in. I think it's why this is the most wide open. I think it's been in probably a decade, right. Maybe longer.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. What happens is the key to winning Super Bowls, you know, this is either having a superstar quarterback who takes a bit of a team friendly deal. This year's Matt Stafford and the Rams. Yeah, right, right. Or having a really gifted rookie quarterback, a Mahomes for years on a rookie deal and you can supplant the roster and load it up. So Chicago's roster, you and I have been on this all year. Chicago's roster is excellent. I mean, receivers tight, they're O lines. One of the best O lines in football. They safety corner. So if you start looking at this, it's Matt Stafford taking a team friendly deal, Sam Darnold taking a team friendly deal, and then you have Drake May, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix on rookie deals as well. CJ Stroud as well. The only exception I have in there is Josh Allen and I've got them closer to being out because I'm going to wait till Ed Oliver gets back on the D line. There's a lot of talk that that'll, that'll help their defensive line, it'll help their, their run defense. But if you, you look at the teams in the bubble, Sam Darnold, by the way, very team friendly deal. So that this idea that you can have Mahomes or Josh Allen, but if you're paying 50 million, that's the cap hit, then the Chiefs online stinks and the Bill's defense stinks.
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Max
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So I, I think, I think Caleb Drake May and Bo Nix and in fact, I honestly, because The Patriots spent 300 million in free agency, they don't have a lot of mega stars. But New England also doesn't have a lot of holes on this team because I mean, let's be honest, they plugged him up in free agency. Yeah.
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Ryan Wilson
And Josh Allen and the Bill. Josh Allen's the only highly paid quarterback in there. I mean, Stafford, you said is getting paid, but Josh Allen is Superman. He's clearly the best quarterback in the league right now. I, I won't accept any other answers. Like I know someone else might win the mvp, but what Josh Allen's doing with the Bills, like other than James Cook, who's their next best offensive player? Is it Dion Dawkins?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. I mean yeah. Well name their splash players on defense at Oliver. It kind of ends with that.
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Sophie Cunningham
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
People say certain things and they're just not true. But they believe them. They double down on them. They triple. They quadruple down one of those. And a lot of these old defensive coaches, they have not stayed current. They are so burdened, bothered, paralyzed by a quarterback who throws interceptions. This whole Sam Darnold throws too many picks. As long as your production is high, I don't have a problem with picks. I don't have to love them, but I'd rather you have picks and throw the ball down the field. What do these seven quarterbacks have in common? Josh Allen, Sam Darnold, Dak Mahomes, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, Bo Nix. They're all in the top 11 of interceptions this year, the fewest by the way is like Jared Goff and Matt Stafford. But there are pocket based quarterbacks that don't create anything outside of structure. I prefer playmakers outside of structure. In fact, Matt Stafford, the year he won the super bowl with the Rams, led the NFL in interceptions. And in fact in the super bowl he threw two of them and still won. From 1998 to 2015, do you know who led the NFL interceptions? Peyton Manning. And he missed a year. I'm telling you folks, for the last six teams that have won a Super bowl, the winning quarterback threw a pick in the Super Bowl. Bo Nix is a great example of this. Bo Nix has nine picks this year. Whoa. But when trailing, he has 16 touchdowns in one pick. When do you throw them? You know, don't throw him in the red zone, which takes away guaranteed points. But if you're at midfield, throw it deep down the sideline. Then it gets picked at the nine. That's better than the punter could do. It's a change of possession. Brock Purdy, one of the things I'll defend Brock Purdy about, he's super aggressive. He threw a lot of picks in college, he throws picks in the NFL. Kyle Shanahan loves him because he takes a swing. So this Sam Darnold narrative, you can't win big with Sam Darnold. Last two years he leads the NFL and wins. If you go back to Sam Darnold, the Carolina years and you pick it up late November because he sat for the first time in his career, take the jets out, he sat in Carolina when he started playing late November. From that day until now, three different teams. He's the winningest quarterback in the league and has a higher 1100 plus passer rating percentage than Mahomes. So also quarterbacks who throw more often throw more picks. The Eagles are literally trying to get Jalen hurts to throw fewer times because they win more when he throws less. That's what I don't want. I like Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, Dak, the coaching staff. Trust them. Think about Seattle. Seattle is so much better this year than last and that's letting go of a Pro bowl receiver. DK Metcalf. What was the only change? Sam Darnold, a new coordinator. You guys watch the Vikings offense this year. Doesn't quite feel as consistent or dynamic, does it? What happened? One major change. Quarterback left, same coach, same coordinator, same wide receiver, same old line. A lot of the same defensive players. They lost Arnold. So this whole thing, Peyton manning in a 17 year period led the NFL in picks. Andrew Luck, lot of Picks for the last six super bowl winning teams. The quarterback threw a pick in the game. The world has changed. If you can make plays with your feet and move the chains and you're a playmaker. It's not just now about safe distribution. Here's Sam Darnold.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
We're excited about this challenge. Obviously, it's a divisional game. You know, playing these guys last time obviously wasn't my best effort. You know, I feel like as an offense, we just got to continue to do what we've been. We've been practicing, you know, stay on the details. But again, this team's a very good, very good defense.
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Colin Cowherd
It's a very good team. It's interesting in a game in which he had four picks. Go back and look at the end of the game, the Seahawks were moving for the win because Sam makes so many big plays. I mean, think about Seattle's offense. Got rid of DK Metcalf, did draft a really good left guard, but it's basically Darnold and a new coordinator. JSN was on it the year before. I'm going to take big swings, aggressive quarterbacks who throw occasional picks every day of the week. Over underneath, safe guy every day of the week. J. Mack with the news.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
No, no, no.
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Total Wireless Announcer
Turn on the news.
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Ryan Wilson
This is the Herd line news. Well, Colin, let's start with a quarterback who throws a lot of interceptions and he just got benched. And that's Tuathunga. The Miami Dolphins announced this morning that Quinn Ewers, the rookie out of Texas A once, I mean, highly acclaimed high school superstar, he will start this week against the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, listen, I don't want to act like I saw this coming or anything, but I told you before the show last night, I bet Cincinnati it was like minus two. Because of Mike McDaniel's comments yesterday. He openly said, I got to watch a tape. He looked ticked off. I thought we'd get Zach Wilson. It might be worse. We get Quinn Ewers against the Bengals. This team has anything to play for.
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Colin Cowherd
This is another. I'm telling you, the Miami Dolphins, this should be the guidebook on how to get rid of a coach potentially. So they fire the GM who gave the extension to Tua. And it had really, frankly, you don't bring in Tua, spend all your money on wide receivers. The GM needed to be fired. Now they bench the quarterback. If you have to move Tua, you don't want him banged up. You want him healthy. You bring in the less ready backup, Quinn Ewers, instead of Zach Wilson. Zach today would probably be better than Quinn Ewers, virtually guaranteeing a loss to Cincy New England in the Bucks. So you're gonna end up being what, 6 and 11? Your current 11th pick probably ends up like the 7th pick, 8th pick, giving you more draft ammunition to move down or get a better player. This is how you do it. You don't fire a coach. For the record, whoever they get at quarterback, maybe yours lights it up. I doubt it, but maybe he does. Whatever you settle on at quarterback, you and I would both agree you'd want to give him a young, creative offensive coach, which McDaniels is. So I. My take on this is the way to do it. I agree with every. I would have fired the GM. I would have benched Tua. I would have played yours.
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Ryan Wilson
I'm with you 100%. This is a great take. This is a soft tank.
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Colin Cowherd
That's.
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Ryan Wilson
Let's just call it what it is.
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Colin Cowherd
An intelligent tank.
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Ryan Wilson
Yeah, an intelligent tank. Washington's doing the same. Jaden Daniels. He could probably play. We're going to sit him down. Okay. The New York Jets. My Jets.
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Total Wireless Announcer
Hey.
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Ryan Wilson
Justin Fields is dinged up and we're going to go Tyra Taylor. No, no, we're going to this rookie from Missouri who nobody's ever heard of.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Ryan Wilson
We're not trying to win games, but we want to see what we've got. Colin, we got. We got to see what these young guys have.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Ryan Wilson
I do want to go on a tour just for a second. I don't think Mike McDaniel and him were like a failure in Miami. Remember, he took over for Brian Flores. It was a dumpster fire. Flores wanted nothing to do with Tua. McDaniel makes the playoffs twice with Tua. So like, that is kind of impressive in Miami.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I said this yesterday. There's an argument he overachieved with Tua. Tua at one point led the NFL in completion percentage, passing yards. Tua in a car and just forget the sport. In a conference with Mahomes, Lamar, Josh, Allen, Herbert. So you can argue he overachieved, but what happened with Tua is what happened to Russell Wilson and what is happening to Kyler Murray. Small quarterbacks fall off a cliff physically remember Russell Wilson. We're like, what the hell happened?
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Why?
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Ryan Wilson
Well, he got his 30s, two is still in his 20s.
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Colin Cowherd
He's. He has regressed badly in the last year. When you watch to a play little guys, do you think Tua could withstand the Justin Herbert year this season.
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Prime Video Announcer
Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
No way.
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Ryan Wilson
I mean, he looks afraid to run.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I heard this. First year on Kyler Murray at Arizona. I talked to a pro ball pass rusher who played Kyler Murray his rookie year and he told me I bumped into him actually at a. At a. Bumped into a place in LA where athletes hang out and we were talking about Kyler Murray. I said, what do you make of him? He goes, I sacked him. He winced. He goes, I guarantee you he does not like his heart is not into this thing. He goes, I've never heard the sounds he makes when I hit a quarterback. Like, big guys shrug it off. Little guys, they're like in pain. These little quarterback, by the way, Jackson dart. I wish he was a little bigger. Spends all his time in the blue tent. So Tua and Russell Wilson kind of inexplicably fell off a cliff.
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Ryan Wilson
It's size, you know, you could look at some of the gambling lines like Tua for a rushing touchdown. Every game is like plus 6,000. Basically. It's never going to happen. And then you look and he scrambled, I think once for like three yards against the Steelers, and it looked like he got dragged down. I was like, oh, damn.
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Colin Cowherd
He.
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Ryan Wilson
If you get him off his spot, he's kind of useless.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Ryan Wilson
I mean, again, I. It's going to be an interesting offseason. Colin. I'll just say this. The GM did a horrific job the last four years. He had one good draft pick in Devon Hn, by the way, they took a guy named Kenneth Grant 13th.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Ryan Wilson
Tyler Warren went 14. Tyler Warren's killing it with the cold, so the GM botched it. I think McDaniels gets another shot next year. Good luck to Quinn Ewers. Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin, obviously, nice bounce back from Jalen. Hurts against the Raiders. I guess that, you know, an NFL team. Herch has gotten a lot of criticism throughout the season and was asked how he responds to pressure from outside the.
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Sophie Cunningham
Building.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
Perception by those who are watching. I'm not watching. I'm living. That's who I am. That's who I am. It's my focus.
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Colin Cowherd
It's.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
In my first rodeo.
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Ryan Wilson
Go ahead. I know you want to make fun of him. I see a little bit smirk there. A smirk emerging. Cowherd wants to take a shot at the sound bites from Jalen Hurts. It's like he's reading some, like, scholarly texts, some philosophy.
- [30:34]
Colin Cowherd
I think he's a good guy. He can be a little, you know, he can be a Little Russell Wilson, a little cliche, but you know what? I'd rather have that than start fires and be cocky and. Yeah, yeah, I'm fine.
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Ryan Wilson
So, quick thoughts on the Eagles. They play Washington this week, they should get the win.
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Colin Cowherd
Play Washington twice.
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Ryan Wilson
Exactly. So I haven't bet this, but I'm curious. If they win, Dallas is eliminated, it's over for the Cowboys.
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Sophie Cunningham
Okay.
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Ryan Wilson
At that point, you get two weeks before your first game. The Eagles will not get a buy. Does Philly say let's start resting some guys? Saquon, you haven't had the legs. You want a week or two off, take it. Or do you think they need to get like some rhythm going to head into the playoffs? Because it's an interesting discussion for the Eagles.
- [31:16]
Colin Cowherd
I have a hard time believing that Philadelphia is going to get their rhythm when they face the best teams in the playoffs. I've watched this offense, it's been broken for 16, 15 weeks. So the idea that you're going to face better defenses, better coordinators, better coaching, better teams, and then you'll find your rhythm. Philly is what they are. Stacked roster, led by their defense, can't run the ball using excuses. Well, our offensive lines dinged up. Justin Herbert is 10 and what, four? And he's missing both tackles and has the worst offensive line pff in the league. I don't want to hear about the injuries to the O line. How in the hell are the Chargers winning these games? Head coach toughness. I'm tired of the excuses. It's a broken offense between head coach and oc. It's suboptimal.
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Ryan Wilson
Yeah, okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's strong.
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Ryan Wilson
Tough to argue that. One final story, let's go to your boy Aaron Rodgers. You know, maybe he's taking cues from Mike Tomlin with sound bites. Colin, this is interesting. So Aaron Rodgers was talking about the team and who's contributing and he for some reason mentioned a bunch of castoffs that Pittsburgh has brought in this season. Take a listen to this.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
It's kind of what I said after the game. There's some castoffs if you look at our roster, which makes it really special. You know, Kenny Gainwell signed a next to nothing contract. You know, Connor Hayward, an afterthought. Touchdown. R.A. run. You know, Marquez been on a couple teams. Adam Thielen got cut. Samuel was on the street for a long time. So says a lot about the character of the guys we brought in.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you consider yourself one of those cast offs too?
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
No, I'm not a cast off.
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Ryan Wilson
So the reporter for those who couldn't hear said, are you a cast off as well? And he goes, no, I'm not a cast off. But. But Collins, after his darkness retreat, the packers kicked him to the curb, the jets kicked him to the curb. And he wanted Minnesota. And Minnesota was like, we're good.
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Colin Cowherd
So what is the definition, Ryan? What's the Google definition of cast off? Because I think, and I'll. Let's be fair, I have support. I think Aaron's been tremendous this year. This offense has been tone deaf for seven years. They still have no run game, and Aaron's going to win the division. I have been 100% in Aaron's corner all year. So. So here it is. Here's the definition of cast off. No longer wanted, abandoned, or discarded. So I don't think it's fair to say because basically Aaron made the Steelers wait for him. Aaron wasn't waiting for the Steelers, so he does not qualify as a cast off.
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Ryan Wilson
Okay, So, I mean, I guess technically you're right, but the jets, remember, he flew across the country to meet with the jets and they're like 20, what, two seconds into the interview? We're good. Thanks, man. Have a nice life.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no.
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Ryan Wilson
He's getting cast off.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no. I would say he didn't have a huge market like Minnesota. Probably should have gone with him. I would have. But.
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Ryan Wilson
But let we mention this headache, man, he. He's basically like, first of all, Adam Thielen a cast off. Thielen asked to be released so he could go to a contender. Like, I mean, come on. I feel like he keeps knocking people. Like, that's just not a nice thing to say.
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Colin Cowherd
I would say Aaron made the Steelers wait for him, therefore eliminating the term castoff. A castoff is you're desperate for work and nobody's interested. The Steelers wish he would have, two months earlier definitively embrace them. They had to sit and wait for him. That's not a cast off. It's not about your resume. Your cast off basically means you're discarded. Nobody's really interested. You know, you're kind of bottom of the barrel. Aaron has been the only consistent redeemable part of the Steelers this year. TJ Watts been banged up, defense giving up big plays. Jalen Ramsey's hit and miss. I get the same Aaron virtually every week.
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Ryan Wilson
Oh, Lions. Oh, come on, Lions. You got me rooting against Rogers and the Steelers. Steelers fans are getting ornery, by the way. What do you think they're getting in or no?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think the Ravens schedule, I mean, you know, it's good. What about this? The Raven Steelers will come down to the final game at Pittsburgh.
- [35:33]
Ryan Wilson
Probably.
- [35:34]
Colin Cowherd
Probably. I would probably take the Ravens in that spot.
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Ryan Wilson
So anti Steelers people need Lions this week. All right, Jared Goff, get it done. I think Lions win this, don't they?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do too. Ravens got a bit of a break with the packers getting beat up, but New England getting beat at home probably plays one of their games of the year.
- [35:56]
Ryan Wilson
That's an interesting matchup. I don't know what to make of the Ravens defense. Is it real or is it not good? Couldn't stop Rodgers. Shut out the BURROW Burrow &.
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Colin Cowherd
Co. It's okay. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. A really interesting thought on the Golden State warriors and the big picture on Steph Curry. Also, another really, really talented college quarterback says I'm gonna, I'm gonna stay in college even though I'd be a first or a second round pick. What does that mean for the NFL? NFL going forward this nil. Lucrative paying college quarterbacks. Eight teams need a quarterback. One top quarterback so far has said I'm going pro. Yikes. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am.
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Colin Cowherd
Holmes. So Joe Laab has been one of those owners in professional sports. He's about winning. He'll spend whatever it takes for years and years. Massive salary tax hit. Kind of the opposite of the Lakers. He didn't care. He wanted to win. And you know, in Silicon Valley he could up the prices and the real estate around him and they're building a new arena and, and he's a great owner, really. Recently one of his private, I guess emails was made public by somebody and in the email, Joe Lakob, you know, had said to somebody, a fan, you can't be as frustrated as I am. I'm working on it. It's complicated style of play, coaches desires regarding players, league trends. Jimmy is not the problem being Jimmy Butler. So here's, here's what in fact, by the way, and this is like part of the problem. Jonathan Kaminga is really talented. Three straight DNPS coach's decision, not playing. Why? Because the warriors have transitioned from whatever it takes to win to a circumstances franchise. Steph can't be traded and anybody you acquire has to be able to play in Steph's offense. Well, that limits youth in the very young deep West. The warriors are old and slow, bottom three and fast break points. You know, 13 and 14 are records, exactly what they are. And so. And I love Steph, everybody loves Steph. But when you remember when Belichick was dominating, it was about do your job, whatever it takes, selfless. Yet ironically, Belichick got very selfish. I only want to coach certain players, he was quoted as saying. Okay, now it's about circumstances. So you, you're not looking for the best players in New England. You're looking for the players that you like. Now you're just a circumstantial franchise of which there's a lot of them. That's sadly what the warriors have become. If you're not going to trade Steph, and I don't think that's the only answer, but they run a very, very unique offense and they won't move Draymond either. Though I do think if press they would. But look how old this team is. I mean, I'm looking this morning at the ages. Steph's 37 going to be 38 soon, Draymond's 35 going to be 36 soon, and Butler is 36. You can't compete in the west with.
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Max
That.
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Colin Cowherd
So. But the reality is Butler and Draymond are really high IQ basketball players and they can play with Steph. Kaminga's right now. Longer, more athletic, he's got more juice and energy. Not playing because he doesn't fit into the ecosystem of Steph Curry, who everybody loves, myself included. But I see this all the time. Whenever you become a franchise where you have this, we can't do this, we won't do this. Okay, you're, you're, you're out of the running for titles. You're out of the running, you're not a championship team. You have a cool resume, you have great merch, you've got memories. But Belichick moved out of whatever it takes to win to. I'm only coaching certain players and certain kinds of personalities. All right, then you're just a guy. You're a Jag. You're just a guy, you're just a coach. Just an average coach. So sports evolves. You better evolve with it. In fact, in the NBA now, the two words they always use, the key to the NBA is versatility and optionality. The warriors word is singularity. All about Steph. Here is Steve Kerr on the email that was.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
Leaked. Well, we're all frustrated. You know, Joe is frustrated. I'm frustrated. Steph, Andrea, everybody's frustrated. And this is, you know, kind of how the league was works. And you know, I hate when people, you know, are going to post private emails. Like I mean imagine if everyone's emails were just publicly posted. How, how tough that would be to.
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Colin Cowherd
Live. Live our lives. Okay, I saw this story. Kevin Stefanski, apparently and the Brown's divorce with Kevin Stefanski, the headline says is looming. What can we learn from this latest disaster? Okay, for years and years there has been a belief, I think it's totally outdated that the worst NFL job is better than the best college job. I think that's totally outdated. Here's the options Kevin Stefanski could have if he's fired. New York Giants, Tennessee, Arizona, potentially Vegas, potentially in Atlanta, potentially. You don't think Ohio State is better than those jobs? Tennessee, a political mess behind the scenes. Arizona players rated it the worst ownership group. The Giants have been in a decade long funk. The truth is there are very, very few great job openings. The last three great job open and I truly great job openings in the NFL. New England, you got Drake May on a rookie contract and Robert Kraft the owner. And Josh McDaniels was going to be your coordinator. That's a great job. Harbaugh getting Justin Herbert in his prime, that's a great job. And Matt LaFleur taking over for Mike McCarthy and getting Aaron Rodgers at or near his Peak. Those are great jobs. Mostly it's dysfunctional owners, increasingly impulsive, they're all billionaires. But I mean I understood years ago, you know, the feeling was just, just take an NFL job. But if you look at the top of the NFL current draft order, you notice it's the same teams. Giants, Raiders, Titans, Browns, Jets, Cardinals, Saints, Beng. You notice that you, you think these are great jobs. You don't think Ohio State or Texas are better gigs where I can control my personnel, don't have a crazy owner. I mean the NCAA is toothless. They don't know what's going on. I can pay my players. So even if I have a booster that's out of control, which sometimes was always a problem at big school, some booster with hundred dollar handshakes, that's not illegal anymore. I mean, I, I. Here's Kevin Stefanski when asked about his job security this.
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Athlete/Interviewee (e.g., Jalen Brunson or Caleb Williams)
Week. I don't get into those type of things, Mary Kay. I would just tell you my focus. Our football team's focus is solely on the Buffalo Bills. And obviously watching the tape today, that's our focus. But that's all we really care.
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Colin Cowherd
About. Now you could argue Colin Sean Payton, Denver was a great job. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. Sean Payton made it a great job. He inherited a nightmarish Russell Wilson dead cap situation and draft capital that had been moved. Sean Payton made that a great job. That was not a great job. 90% of the people that could have taken that job would have failed. Sean Payton's one of the smartest coaches in 50 years. What about Ben Johnson? The Bears wasn't a good job. The Bears is still viewed as ownership front office, little dysfunctional. Ben Johnson similarly made that makes that a great job. That's different than a great job. I mean the Chargers with Herbert, you were going to win. They had all sorts of defensive talent. They had their draft picks, they had the star quarterback. That's a great job. Vrabel, I get Drake May, Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels is coming with me. And oh, by the way, I can spend 300 million in free agency. That is a really good job in a division with a dysfunctional Dolphins, dysfunctional Jets and Buffalo average roster. So don't confuse making a job a great job and a great job the minute you walk in the door. Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers, I mean, no chaos. I mean at that time, you know, what were the Bears, what were the Lions, Vikings. Good, never special. J. Mac, here's the schedule this week. I will tell you the best bet on the board is probably now Cincinnati at Miami with Joe Burrow playing and Quinn Ewer starting in what I would call a very intelligent soft tank by the Miami Dolphins. Anything jump out to.
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Ryan Wilson
You? You like underdogs, right? Can you hold your nose and take the Brown the Browns at home against the Bills? I think Shador could have a chance to do well. I mean, I'm just talking about getting 10 points at home. That's a lot. I call me crazy, but I like Tennessee. I do think the Kansas City Chiefs are going to be mailing it in. I don't think we see a max effort from kelsey or Jones McCon. It's been forever since they've not been in the.
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Colin Cowherd
Playoffs. Let me give you an upset, potentially. Denver off a wildly important win. It's had a string of close games and here comes sleepy Jacksonville into town. Jacksonville is a team that can run the football. Yeah, creates turnovers. You know, it's kind of a weird spot. Like it's hard to get your locker room jazzed up for the Jags off a Packer win. Keep your eye on the Jags upsetting the Denver.
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