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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - Knicks win game 2 against the Cavs, taking a look at SGA, Matt Stafford's new deal with the Rams
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It's a Friday, a good one if you're a Knicks fan. We're live in Chicago. It's the Herd. We'll be on FS2 first hour, last two hours. FS1. Lot of stuff to talk about. New York Knicks now have won nine straight. Eight of nine by double digits. I looked at the numbers this morning during the Knicks nine game playoff win streak, averaging 122 points, shooting 54% from the field. So that's pretty rarefied air. I think they've graduated from what I call them initially a good team to a very good team. I don't think the NBA has a great team right now, but I think the Knicks, okc, San Antonio, I thought Boston was, they're all kind of very good teams. But I'm hearing this now, Colin. Jalen Brunson needs to be treated like a star. He doesn't seek it because he doesn't need it. All you need to know about Jalen Brunson comes in the form of he took less money to be a New York Knick because he gets and sees the big picture, right? He is laying the foundation. And if he gets a trophy, it will be worth in his lifetime over 100, 150 million dollars. The big picture. And right now, since joining the Knicks, if you look at his Knick playoff ranks, points per game, assist per game, plus, minus, best Nick ever. And he gets, it's all about winning now. And he gets that. Him taking a pay cut can get you the Mikhail Bridges and the second big. You can retain him and you can get a trade OG on an obi. You can do all that stuff. You can retain Josh Hart. So some people in life, believe it or not, can excel without constant 247 validation. They don't need sports car collections. Jalen Brunson, smart. He's securing himself. He doesn't need your approval or mine. I mean, here's another thing about Jalen Brunson. He was a, he was a top recruit. I, I covered his dad in Portland. He was a top recruit, like a five star guy. He chose Villanova. Yeah, Villanova. Jay Wright didn't recruit him by saying, I'll get you the bag. He recruited him by saying, will you be a good teammate? You're really talented. That's how Villanova works. That's why there's a term in the NBA Executives call it Villanova guys, smart, good teammates, go to class, get the most out of their talent. Good. Understand the temperature in the room. Brunson's college choice is who he is. And you know, sitting on that baseline at all these Knicks playoff games are a bunch of former Knicks stars. No trophies, okay? He gets it. He's like Brady, Tom Brady walked out of broadcasting and reportedly got 35 million a year from the company I work at. You ain't getting that with one trophy. You're getting it when you have a, a trophy room. That's the difference. One or two trophies, you're not getting those offers. So Jalen Brunson to me is a 401k and sneakers. Nobody talks about it. Not real flashy, but foundational. You better have one and less now, more later. I'm. It's remarkable to me that more athletes don't take. I mean he's a superstar to everybody in basketball that matters. Anybody in basketball that gets basketball knows he's a superstar. Is he a great defender? I got folks, Magic Johnson wasn't a great defender. Most great players are not great defender. Kareem was, you know, Michael was. Steph Curry isn't Magic wasn't. Bird tried. Okay, so. But when I think of Jalen Brunson, he's like a New York combination of Willis Reed's leadership, Bill Bradley's self awareness, Walt Frazier's cool and Bernard King's mid range game. He is a combination of all of them. And you know, also this is something else that matters. He's not a big athlete. He can get hunted at times. He can get worn down. Yet four seasons, averaging 71 starts. The much bigger Luca can't get there. The much bigger Anthony Davis couldn't get there. So he may be a bit small as your go to guy. He's durable, he's tough, he's available. So Eddie doesn't need this. Well, he needs to be given the. A lot of people, they don't need that life. They don't need the constant validation, collections of things. He wants to collect trophies. Mikhail Bridges, another Villanova guy on what makes Jalen Brunson so great.
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Sports Analyst 1
It just shows that he just plays the right way. You know, we're not going to send a double team. You know, I think it's advantage for
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Colin Cowherd
him and then if you send, you know, a double team, he's going to
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Sports Analyst 1
read and react and find open guy
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Colin Cowherd
and play the right way.
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Sports Analyst 1
Ever since I've known him, he played the right way.
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Colin Cowherd
If you're going to keep helping off,
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Sports Analyst 1
he's going to, you know, make you pay and, you know, that's what makes him great.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so the other series, which resumes tonight, is kind of a mess. Jalen Williams, Oklahoma city is not 100%. He's our second best player. Dylan Harper won't play. De' Aaron Fox high ankle sprain may not play. What was after game one an incredibly promising series. The air has come out of it. It's just going to be who's healthier. I do think San Antonio has been the better team. Better field goal percentage, more points in the paint, better three point percentage. They got the better team. I thought Tom Haberstro did something that was made me laugh this morning. He charted in the first two games of the series. Good for him. He charted every SGA shot. Every single one. SGA fell to the ground on 13 of 47 of his field goal attempts. 27 and a half percent five times game one, eight times game two. So 27% is a little bit of a Rorschach test. Depends on how you see it. For instance, if I told you a wide receiver in the NFL was really fast, but he dropped 27% of his passes, you'd be like, release him, he's terrible. If you were an angel investor and hit on 27% of your investments, you're a genius. So little deep dive, not terribly deep. In game two, he only had six field goal attempts, meaning he was only fouled three times and he hit the deck eight times. So he is officially in flop city. The mayor, population one now, it should be duly mentioned. Sga. If you look at the playoff peers, he falls in the playoffs, totally. 39, falls 224 shots. He falls about 17 and a half percent of the time. Harden falls 12% of the time. Brunson 9, Donovan Mitchell 8. WEMBY 4.2. And that's a long way to fall for Wemby. So he is not the only person doing it. But it is annoying because he's doing it about double of Brunson. And Brunson, by the way, is the smaller player. So I think the instructive part for me is not all great players are fun to watch. I grew up watching Moses Malone. I thought he was a total snooze. Moses Malone does nothing for me. Tim Duncan Was great. He was called the big fundamental. Not exactly a pro wrestler. Dr. J, Michael Jordan, Kobe, you could look historically, Steph Curry, they're outliers. Is that if you look at the current players. Jim Jackson talked about this yesterday. Luke is not terribly athletic and Jokic isn't terribly athletic and SGA is not terribly athletic and I mean, relative to an NBA player. And Jim Jackson talked about dynamic athleticism yesterday. Five of our top maybe 10 players are non athletic players. Jokic, Singun, Jalen Brunson, Luka Doncic, sga. They know how to play, they facilitate, they rebound, they shoot so much we're getting caught into. He's not at. He's not as athletic. But what about the iq, the ability to dissect the game? Big shot moments. He doesn't run from it. You know, it's interesting. Most Silicon Valley billionaires were not as interesting as Steve Jobs. Most hundred millionaires you've never heard of. SGA is closer to a CPA, right? He just drops 29. It's surgical. He averages 10 free throws in his career. For the record, Michael Jordan averaged 9.9 and nobody talked about it. So MJ was doing the same thing. You just liked his game more. He's more fun to watch. So, I mean, we were talking about this this morning. As a staff, Netflix does over 110 productions annually. I probably watch start to finish two to three of their series. Not everything is designed for me. I mean, I. When people get outraged, I always laugh. People go to the Internet, they complain about stuff that they don't like. I mean, I'm not the world's biggest NASCAR fan. So what? I've watched it before. Indy 500. A little bit more riveting to me. Cars going faster, right? Like, like, like it's okay. It's not. Not now. Everything's built for me. I like golf majors. I love Augusta. I love the US Open. I love Pebble Beach, I love Pinehurst. I love the British Open. Do they have a Buick Open still? I wasn't watching it when it was around. Does it still exist? It's just not interesting to me. So I think SGA falls into that class. I always mention Alex English led the NBA in scoring in the 80s. Smart guy, global guy. Just a credit to the game. And most of you don't remember Alex English. It's like not every player is great. We think because there's so much art and there's so much. I mean, the great athletes are often in the world, like soccer players or. Not everybody's Pele. Right. You look at American stars like our goalies have often been our most prized possession. So I'm kind of okay with what SGA is. I think he flops a bit much for me. I don't think it's a good watch. But I've also said through the years, not all dynasties in sports are fascinating. The Yankees dynasty was. The Dodgers to me is. Alabama wasn't. Spurs weren't. The warriors were aggravating. Heels were fascinating. Shaq and Kobe was. You know, But a lot of these dynasties I've watched in my life, I mean, I thought Alabama, the biggest star was the coach. I mean, honestly, you could. You could say UConn, Duke. The biggest stars were the coach. UNLV won one title with Tark. That team was fascinating. Stacey Ogman, Larry Johnson, Anderson Hunt, Greg Anthony, Moses, Scurry. I covered the team. I mean, you know, that was fascinating to watch. Ed Orgeron won a title at lsu. That team was crazy. They were in, like, eight huge games. They won all of them. The Michigan Fab Five didn't win a title. Probably my favorite college basketball team of all time. So, you know, you. I mean, I'll tell you, the second best team that didn't win a title. 5 Slam a jama. Go look up fi. Slam a jama on YouTube right now. Go look it up. Honestly, you will not believe that that's a college team. It looks like an NBA all star team. Clyde Drexler, Akeem Olajo on didn't win a title. So, you know, Alabama won several. Bored me to tears after, like, the second SGA is going to be fine. It just, you know, SGA is a cpa. You know, not. Not every career is fascinating. Ryan Gosling walks in a room. You're the c. CPA that owns a firm is richer than Ryan Gosling. Who's everybody looking at? You know, who cares? J. Mac. Matt. Matt Stafford. You see that big old contract he signed?
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Sports Analyst 2
He got paid. Oh, my gosh. Did he? But you just mentioned Gosling. I'm wondering, sga, who's his actor equivalent? Who? Maybe somebody who's in a lot of movies in his.
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Colin Cowherd
Interesting. Hold on, hold on.
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Sports Analyst 2
He doesn't jump out as, like, I gotta go see.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I'll give you one Bruce Willis or something. Who is God? I, I. He may have passed. I'm. I, I'm not a Hollywood expert. He was in Twister. Oh.
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Sports Analyst 2
Oh, I know who you're talking about. I could see him in my head, and I think he.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I'll tell You who he is? SGA is the late Gene Hackman.
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Sports Analyst 2
Oh, that's good. Really good in a lot of stuff.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean. I mean, you can go to the conversation, Mississippi Burning, Hoosiers. I mean, Gene Hackman's just delivered in every single role, but didn't go to parties. Didn't like, he was kind of clunky when he would go on, like with Carson, he wasn't real glib. He wasn't really good on those shows.
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Sports Analyst 2
Not flashy.
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Colin Cowherd
And then, by the way, then there's Jack Nicholson. Yeah, right. Yo. And. And then there's kind of Jeremy Irons. And then there is. Who was the. The guy that passed away, that was in Capote. He was brilliant.
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Sports Analyst 2
Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, my God. I thought he was brilliant. I thought he literally jumped off the screen and everything. I think Christian Bale is maybe the world's best actor. When he's on screen, I cannot take my eyes off him. Same with Tom Cruise.
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Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And then you get these great actors that, you know, they're just. They're just good. They're just, you know, Joe Pesci is memorable, right?
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Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Not everybody is.
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Sports Analyst 2
SGA is not getting you to a tv. If you're on vacation next week, you just happen to be on vacation. You're not like, interrupting a Michelin star dinner to watch SGA flop around the court, which is clearly what he's doing, according to that story.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it's. It is interesting. Who is the who. Who is the equivalent of it just.
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Sports Analyst 2
I like the Gene Hackman one. That's going to really make Oklahoma irate because, you know, they think he's Tom Cruise. They got two MVPs, Colin. That's more than Kobe Bryant. Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think. I don't think people in Oklahoma think that. I think people in Oklahoma appreciate his greatness, but I don't. I mean, people in Oklahoma also, probably many of them love Michael Jordan. Right. Like, we all know Michael's game was totally different. I mean, it's funny. Larry Bird's game because he wasn't as athletic as you think. I thought Larry Bird was fascinating to watch. I mean, all his weird. I mean, he was just so clever and so smart. He was a trash talker. So I thought Larry Bird's game, Magic's game, Dr. J's game. Fascinating. Kareem's game was sort of dump it to the big fella for a skyhook.
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Sports Analyst 2
Well, the skyhook was iconic.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it was iconic, but it was like, you seen. I mean, he shot it 21 times a game. It was kind of, I mean, that's, that's what he did. It was just same thing. It was like so, you know, everybody's different. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking, what in God's name is the fifth Hour?
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Colin Cowherd
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That's why we make fun of them. But I, I had no idea they were so substantial. Okay, Matt Stafford, one year deal, $55 million when his contract. Now he's got a two year deal worth about 110. So what it basically means is and we have the highest paid quarterbacks, he's about eighth or ninth below Jared Goff and Purdy above Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Jalen hurts. Lamar may be working on his. The Rams can do that and pay that because they've drafted so well that in about two years they got some really good players. Money's going to be due a lot of them on defense. But the. What the Rams are doing and this is why I defended the Ty Simpson pick and I was shocked by the people that didn't quite understand it. They're trying to master two timelines. The number one timeline is win a Super bowl now and next year. The second timeline is to have their quarterback in place without getting in a bidding war and giving up massive draft capital to get it in two years. So that's, that's why when everybody hotly debated the Ty Simpson pick. It's like when companies are looking to grow a. They want profits now their super bowl and they want to invest in things, properties, people, personnel, tech for the future before it goes to the market and gets red hot. That's why the Kansas City Chiefs had Alex Smith Pro Bowler. They were making the playoffs and gave away a first and a third round pick to get Mahomes before everybody discovered that Mahomes, if you had to compete against the market, it'd be five first round picks. I did not think that was that complicated priority for the Rams next two years winning a Super Bowl. It helps to have a star quarterback while, while we give away Trent McDuffie to solve our number one defensive issue. Actually our number one team issue, we're going to use the first pick to invest in, you know, tech before it goes to market. I did not think this was. Listen, you either want to be a. You're either ahead of the market, the packers, the Rams, the Chiefs, or you're chasing the market, the Jets, Browns and Raiders forever. You do not want to chase the market. Not that I'm some, you know, brilliant business savvy monster maven, but you don't want to chase the market in real estate, in tech, in business. You want to get while you're growing, while you want to be profitable and then get something before the market realizes, oh crap, we need something or that's great. So that's what the Chiefs for the record, when Brady was playing for the Patriots and starring, they were drafting a quarterback every second year. I mean Brady was bringing home trophies. They drafted second round pick Jimmy Garoppolo again, they didn't want to chase the market. Well, they could have. They wasted their draft pick. It's not a waste. Backup quarterbacks matter, too. Here's Sean McVeigh on drafting Ty Simpson and how Matt Stafford, if you recall, handled it. There wasn't any of those aha moments. The meeting that we had with him was part of the evaluation process, as was the tape, as was the vetting that our scouts and less and a lot of people did. As with any other player, once you then settle on, that would be the direction that we go. If he's there at 13, then you say, hey, let's sit down with our quarterback, make sure he understands why we're doing this. You articulate the thought process so that there's clarity and there's understanding of the intent. And he was a total stud about it. Super bowl pursuit, now profits now while beating the market, according to our scouts, beating the market on something that will be far more valuable later. This is what the packers do. They looked at, they looked at Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love and thought we might as well get them now. We don't want to be three years later, Aaron Rodgers leaves and we are desperate and give up four first round picks to move up on a quarterback that's 50. 50. Let's get Jordan Love in the building. Let's work on him for three years. Aaron Rodgers can be a little bit of a mentor, you know, Matt LaFleur, get him in the building. That's what you're doing. Ty Simpson, put him around Stafford for two years. Have McVeigh around him for two years. There's a lot of, there's a lot of IQ in the building with the Rams. Let's see if he can. And by the way, they may know in a year he's not it. So what, Angel? I mean, tech companies, Google, Google, Glasses, Meta, metaverse. You're not hitting on everything. I mean, I think Meta spent $80 billion. I'm not joking on Metaverse. It bombed. You know, they want to be ahead on AI. Not everything you invest in works. But you do not want to chase the market. That, that is what you don't want to do. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.
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Sports Analyst 1
Turn on the news.
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Sports Analyst 2
This is the Herdline news. Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles. The countdown clock is on the trade for A.J. brown, but for the meantime, we'll focus on Jalen Hurts, who his OCA was OC was raving about at OTAs.
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Colin Cowherd
Jalen's been awesome. You know, I really think he can do anything we ask of him. He's. He's accurate. He's a great athlete. He really attacks the fundamentals. That's what's been really fun to watch these last two weeks of phase two. He's always coming, wanting more things to work on, wanting more things regarding fundamentals. Timing, understanding the scheme. He's hungry for more.
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Sports Analyst 2
Yes, I know the feeling. Hungry for more. Put more on my plate, says, Jalen Hurts. Bring it on. I can handle anything. That guy cowherd. He doesn't think I'm a top 10 corner. He's got Sam Darnold ahead of me. Oh, Jalen Hurts is out to prove some people wrong. He's gonna show up with his briefcase and a hard hat and get it done in Philadelphia.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, mobsters show up with a briefcase and a hard hat to their construction sites, I don't think. That doesn't necessarily mean it's altruistic there, buddy. We'll see. I mean, listen, I'm not. I don't root against him. I think he's a good guy. Seems like a nice kid. He's kind of like. He's got a Jalen Brunson thing. He's good. I mean, he doesn't need the constant, you know, pat's on the back, I'm going to do my thing. You know, a lot of times when you find this, like, it's interesting when I hear that not everybody loves him. You know, I mean, I think I read a story once, like, Joe DiMaggio was one of those guys. Like, a lot of times you get these athletes that they're, like, happily married at 24. They don't want to go out to the. You know, and party. They're, like, really close to their fam. You'll see a story once in a while where a pro athlete is still driving his college car, and he's like, yeah, I, like, love my college car. And I kind of take pride in not really having to have new cars. And I gotta. You know, Hertz. Jalen doesn't really necessarily care what everybody thinks about him. So part of that, I really, really like and admire.
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Sports Analyst 2
Only part of that. Interesting. I thought you would love all of it. I move so that any time we talk about Jalen Hurts going forward, Colin, I will refer to him as super bowl mvp. Jalen Hurts. Just so we remember, he's not some guy. He's not some jag. He's not some small quarterback who can't throw over the middle.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a Super Bowl MVP and earned it, deserves it for Certainly.
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Sports Analyst 2
All right, let's move on to another quarterback. He hasn't done anything yet, but he just got drafted first overall, and that's Fernando Mendoza. He just revealed that he had an interesting brunch in Los Angeles with Tom Brady and the rapper Travis Scott. I. I'm gonna embarrass myself here. I'm not that familiar with Travis Scott's material. I know some people who went to his concert at SoFi. They rave about him. Young kids love him. It sounds like it was a private brunch. And. And they discussed a lot of things. Apparently, Fernando Mendoza brought a notepad to the brunch with Tom Brady and Travis Scott, which is on brand for a guy who's graduated from two business schools before throwing one NFL pass.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you know, my rule with my kids is if you have a big decision in life, get out a notepad, don't think about it. You got. You know, my. My. My wife will say this. She said this to me the other day. I want you to go home, look in the mirror, and manifest it. Say this. See yourself saying it. She's very visual. And I'm like, I like writing stuff down. She said, same thing. So this kid brings a notebook. He writes it down, he thinks about it. You know, manifest some stuff. Like, I think there is some power in this. I don't know how much, but I do. I do believe when you think, when you think, when you think. As my staff knows, I write. I write notes all day in between breaks. You know, I'm trying to get my brain wrapped around, revved up for stuff. Doesn't mean it's right. But I. This kid, All I hear about this kid sounds like 15 year, seven time, Pro bowl quarterback stuff.
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Sports Analyst 2
Seven time.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Sports Analyst 2
Listen, I don't want to jinx anything. You're on a bit of a heater here to start the show. 30 good minutes manifesting, dropping some big SAT vocabulary words. Colin, I need to ask you this. Kirk Cousins taking 100% of the throws here early. It's only May. This has me concerned. I think we agree that's a terrible idea, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not there. I think I would love to see the. You know, Fernando did not take a lot of snaps under center in college. And so I think that's where he's behind, and he's going to have to work at that. And also remember, it is. It is May, June, July, August. I mean, they don't play until after Labor Day, so we've Got a way to go and, you know, so I, I tend to think young ambitious people. Well, I shouldn't say this. All people who are really ambitious, especially young though, your, your mind, they say you can learn languages. It's much easier to learn languages pre 30 than post 30. Young people's minds can wrap their brain around new languages. And basically a playbook is a new language. So my take on Mendoza, he's going to ramp up very quickly where he's not going to be an old dog that's got all this stuff embedded. You know, remember Favre when he got old? Like I'm not learning a new offense. You know, he'll be able to pick this up like a new language three weeks from now. He may have it all wrote, he may have it all memorized.
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Sports Analyst 2
Final story is last night's Knicks Cavs game. Josh Hart absolutely went off five threes. Game high, 26 points. Afterward, he was talking about analytics. You might like this, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I just try to go
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Sports Analyst 1
out there and just play my game.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm never a huge analytics guy. You know, at a certain point, they're a lamppost to a drunk person. You can lean on them, but it won't get you home. So at a certain point, you gotta have a good feel for the game.
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Sports Analyst 2
Carl Anthony Town's not a fan of that quote. I prefer the analytics are like a bathing suit on a woman. They, they reveal a lot, but they don't reveal everything. What the analytics tell you about Josh Hart is the Cavs are leaving him open. We will let you shoot. He couldn't shoot in game one. They replaced it with Landry Shammon. Game two, Josh Hart's making shots. I saw some stats that The Cavs were 10ft away from him on average on his three point attempts. Yeah, we'll let you shoot, buddy. Just like the spurs let Alex Caruso shoot. And he made eight threes in game one.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think there's value to analytics. Their value is overwhelmingly useful in a long volume regular season. And I think sports in the playoffs, baseball, football, basketball becomes very situational. You're facing better coaching, you know, like in basketball, oh, we need a bucket. I don't need a three. I need a bucket. I need a stop, right? Like, I don't need to, I don't need to race a guy off the three point line. I need to guard a guy everywhere. So they're, they're just, it's different. It's, let's be honest, a lot of people that love analytics aren't Athletic. I mean, Jonah Hill, Moneyball. A lot of the people that love analytics are. They're mathy, they're, they're not really athletic people. So they love the science. They can't play basketball, but they love the science of it. And I think that's awesome. I love that people who maybe not be great athletes, most of us aren't, love some, you know, kind of intellectual part of it. But there is something, you know, it's, you know, there is something to be said when you hang around confident men, Manalytics trumps analytics. Like, bro, go get it. And there, there is. I mean, that's why, you know, you see baseball players get hot. Why? Because they have confidence. You see basketball players get in a zone, they're feeling it. They're not always in the zone like Dame. Lillard could always shoot, but Michael Jordan would get crazy hot from the outside. Well, what is that? It's confidence. It's not analytics like some guys. You know what I mean? Like you dunking a guy, the crowd erupts and the guy's like totally emotionally in his feels and he goes for seven minutes and can't miss a shot. So the analytics don't judge streaks or don't judge confidence or don't judge you swatting a shot into the crowd. I mean, I said this when I had my, my ex wife, had my daughter. I literally was out of body for me. I was just like, I can, I can remember feel like I was floating in. I never felt like that. By the second kid I was like, all right, is everybody okay here? I'm going to go have a Bud Light in the back. But the first time I watched childbirth, it was an out of body experience. And I've had two or three of these in my life. Like really emotional. I'm like, man, I'm not even in my shoes, man, I am floating now, good or bad. And, and that's what athletes go through there sometimes. You're like, man, I'm hungry. Feed me the ball. Just get me. You see basketball, but you see Brunson do this. If somebody gets hot on the Knicks, he just goes back to him, back to him, back to him. LeBron's good at that. LeBron could get a good shot anytime he wanted to. But LeBron can always, oh, batty. A's hot, Ray Allen's hot. Feed him. He's hungry. Get him the ball. So that's what analytics never measures confidence. And it does change. Even among star players. Forget BNC guy. Even among star. A rod got into his head that the drop to 8 in the order even among star players. You're hot, you're cold, you're feeling it. You're not. You're insecure, you're totally secure. Analytics doesn't judge that stuff. Jay Mack with a news well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd Lie have you ever had something where you're absolutely sure you're right and nobody else or very few people will agree with you? And I've got one. Next, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Sports Analyst 2
We've got more United Football League action coming up this weekend and the push for the playoffs is on first Fox UFL Friday features the DC Defenders against the Orlando Storm tonight at 8 Eastern. Then on Sunday it's the Dallas Renegades and the Louisville Kings at 4, all on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, this, this is something that I, I try to always listen to something and say, what does the other side think? So College Football Playoff, you know, it was a four team playoff, you know, 2014ish for about a decade and then a couple years ago it expanded to 12 and there was all this worry that it was going to kill. Oh, regular season is meaningless. Attendance and TV ratings shot up for pretty obvious reasons. More people for a longer period of time could believe their team could finish the season winning it all, even if it in many instances is delusional. So the NFL has just 32 teams. I'm going to go slow on this. And yet 14 make the playoffs 40%. They expanded the playoffs a couple years ago and the ratings like college football went up. More teams, more fan bases rewarded and for a longer period of time will really deeply care because they could win it all. College football has 130ish Division 1 programs, 100 that could be invited to the college football playoff. I'm supposed to believe that a 24 team playoff, which is 17% again, NFL, 40% of the league gets in and it ratings up. I'm supposed to believe that a 17% college football playoff, people in Norman, Oklahoma will no longer care when they play Texas. I don't know. I mean, think about this. The NFL, almost half the league makes it. Unless you're totally incompetent as a franchise, you are playoff eligible. Week 12, 13, you're at least, you know, if you go on a little bit of a three game winning streak, you may make a wild card. There's some mathematical opportunities. I, this just, I don't get it. But yet 17% of college football eligible for the playoff somehow makes Bama, Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan. It renders it uninteresting. I mean, college football went from a four teamer to a 12 teamer. Everybody was more interested. Again, I'm going to say this slowly. More fan bases rewarded for a longer period of time. You know, we talk about this all the time. If, if you're a parent and you take your kids on a four hour road trip, you pack a couple of PB and js, you pack a couple of games, maybe, maybe some cards, maybe some, you know, gummies or something, you are planning to keep them interested before the nap hits you. Hope you keep them all fired up and they're having fun for two and a half hours, then they sleep the last hour and a half. Right. Like you're just, you're just right. And that's what you want. You Much, much of our life is scheduled to get us through stuff. And that's what the leagues are doing. That's what the NFL does. They want to keep more fan bases passionately interested for a longer period of time. Now they know at some point you have a fourth or fifth loss, you're done. But you got to be pretty bad in college football to have a fourth loss by October. The old system, you had a second loss October 8th, season's over, you're watching the baseball playoffs, you're watching your NFL team, you don't care. So it just, to me, 17% of the sport gets in, but that means potentially 40% to 50% of college football, knowing they can get in with a couple of losses will still be totally into it October 28th, you know, they're not going to be into it forever because most teams in college football do lose three or four or five games. But Steve Sarkeesian's a smart guy. He wants to go back to four. I've even gone on record as saying I'd rather go back to four, you
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Sports Analyst 2
know, because here's my issue and I
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Colin Cowherd
understand why people want to go to 24. We are now in a world where fan bases are living under this umbrella of playoff or bust. I don't agree with that. That's not true.
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Sports Analyst 2
You had an opportunity to compete for
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Colin Cowherd
a national championship during those 12 regular season games. And I felt like when we were at four teams, those four teams met. If you were one of those four, that was held in very high regard
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Sports Analyst 2
and you earned your opportunity to be
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Colin Cowherd
one of those four teams. Yeah, but the problem is, Steve, who can really compete to be one of those four? Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, Texas. There's about eight, nine teams in the country who can compete to really realistically look at their schedule and say, okay, can we play all of our schedule and not have a second loss? You can't have a second loss. Right. So you have to be ranked high in the season. Yeah. It meant a lot to about nine teams in college football that had that level of personnel. Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, George Bama, LSU, that kind of group. Now with 24 in, you can lose three games. That means 80 teams. Now half may be delusional, but 80 teams can play that game. To me, think about this in the NFL last year, just think about this number after week 12 last year in the NFL. This is unbelievable. After week 12, we're past Thanksgiving, 31 of 32 NFL teams could still make the playoffs. Did that kill the regular season? The opposite. I'm not wrong on this. Four teams. I mean, you know what it's like. It's like if you were a CEO and your company, you had a company and you built it for years and then you sold it for a billion dollars. 4 Team playoff is like giving less than 1% or 2% of people at your company at least a little taste of the win. Now I know the big, the executives are going to get a majority of it, but shouldn't the secretary get couple thousand dollar bonus check for Christmas? You sold for a billion dollars. So you have this billion dollar sport. You're going to reward four teams. That's it. That's the only ones that get a little bonus check on the billion dollar business. The billion dollar two billion, three billion, four billion. It's an $8 billion annual business. You're going to reward four teams. I mean I would hope if any of you have a company and you sell it for, you know, whatever you sell it for a big multiple. Yeah, you'd maybe even give the secretary a little bit the janitorial services. They can't get a free trip to Disneyland. You mean you only got to pay three guys at the top. That doesn't sound reasonable. I understand. You know, there's only about even old system, new system. We all know there's about eight teams that can win the natty. We all know that. But 24 at least gives another 50 teams a taste. You know, a little envelope with a little fun money in it, little Vegas trip in it. I mean, I'm telling you, they always talk about AI and job displacement. You know, all these trillion dollar companies, you can look at your books and just, you know, just let go of people and let go of people and let go of people. And there's an old thing called the Pitchfork Society. At some point you want to give people a little taste. You really want to have a sport with 131 Division 1 programs. 4 get invited to the big dance at the end.
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Sports Analyst 2
Really?
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, I think 17% you could argue is low. I mean, college basketball people say, oh, look at all the College basketball is 350 programs. That's why they're, you know, they have 68 teams, we have 350. I mean, what's funny is college basketball is expanding to make sure St. Mary's gets a shot. Sark wants to close it. So Notre Dame doesn't get it in football. What are we doing? What are we doing? I want Notre Dame and a couple St. Mary's more Notre Dame's than St. Mary's but I let them in.
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