THE HERD - Hour 1 - Lakers Streak Snapped

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 1 Podcast Summary

Episode: Hour 1 – Lakers Streak Snapped
Date: March 24, 2026
Host: Colin Cowherd
Guests/Analysts: JJ Redick, Nick Wright (mentioned for next hour), various analysts

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Colin Cowherd dissects the hottest stories across the NFL and NBA, with an emphasis on the Lakers' nine-game win streak abruptly halted by a depleted Detroit Pistons team. He also weighs in on NFL draft QB comparisons (Ty Simpson vs. Fernando Mendoza), the implications of wide receiver contracts (JSN vs. George Pickens), and the extraordinary rise of Victor Wembanyama (“Wemby”) as the NBA’s most dominant force. The episode is marked by sharp analysis, trademark Cowherd metaphors, and engaging banter with guest analysts.

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1. NFL Draft Szn: QB Nitpicking & Evaluations

(03:41–08:54)

Key Points:

• Draft “Silly Season”: One month before the NFL Draft, sports media enter "silly season," overanalyzing top prospects based on limited recent football.
• Ty Simpson vs. Fernando Mendoza:
  • Mendoza: 35 college starts, improved with more defensive film exposure, described as a bigger, more aggressive Matt Ryan with Daniel Jones-level mobility but greater accuracy.
  • Simpson: Only 15 starts, production declined as defensive coordinators "cracked the code".
• Comping Prospects:
  • “I don’t even think Mendoza is a hard evaluation... Think combine Matt Ryan if he was bigger, stronger and a little bit more mobility.” (Colin, 07:14)
  • Comparisons to Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson as tougher evaluations because of unexpected pro success.

Notable Quote:

• Colin on Mendoza:

  "He's not as talented as Andrew Luck, and like Justin Herbert, he can be a little stiff at times. But this is a Matt Ryan, B+ prospect... not a tough evaluation." (07:27)

• Todd McShay on Ty Simpson:

  “I put him at 13 in this mock draft. As of right now, I don’t think that’s going to happen.” (08:19)

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2. Lakers’ Win Streak Snapped: Meaningless or Telling?

(08:54–16:24)

Key Points:

• Lakers fall to Pistons’ G-League Level Squad:
  Colin returns from vacation to see L.A. lose to Detroit (without Cade Cunningham), led by G-leaguer Danas Jenkins scoring 30 points.
• Regular Season NBA Winning Streaks:
  • “Be very careful about regular season, late NBA winning streaks.” (09:58)
  • Past examples: Milwaukee Bucks, Lakers had strong streaks end in quick playoff exits.
• Lakers Blueprint Exposed:
  • Detroit’s ugly, physical style disrupted L.A.’s half-court “pretty basketball.”
  • Lakers struggle against teams that “ugly up” the game.
• JJ Redick (Lakers Coach) Response:
  Emphasizes health as a key to their success:

  “Our winning streak has also coincided with us being healthy. We need to finish the season strong, but we also need to finish the season healthy.” (14:02)

Notable Quotes:

• Colin:

  “The Pistons are physical and play ugly basketball, and the Lakers are pretty. These are the opposites.” (10:55)

• Analyst:

  “Lakers definitely not winning the championship.” (15:46)

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3. JSN Gets Paid and the “What Is” vs. “What If” Principle

(20:19–24:16)

Key Points:

• Seattle Seahawks’ JSN signs $42M/year deal.
• Debate: Does this mean George Pickens (Cowboys) “deserves” similar money?
  • Cowherd’s philosophy: Pays for “what is” (JSN: reliable, productive under all conditions), not “what if” (Pickens: moody, inconsistent engagement based on targets).
• Supporting stats:
  • JSN thrives as a primary option on a run-first team with limited passing volume.
• Robert Mays on JSN:

  “He’s top five ever in terms of what he’s done at his age in the first three years of his career.” (23:15)

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4. NBA & NFL News Hits

(24:17–27:53)

Key Points:

• Rockets’ Ugly Loss:
  Coach Ima Udoka calls his team and the officials “soft as hell” after a collapse vs. the Bulls. (24:47)
• 49ers & Trent Williams:
  Tension (but not panic) over left tackle’s contract future. Shanahan stays optimistic:

  “We love Trent too much and eventually that’ll work out.” (26:46)

• Aaron Rodgers Offseason Soap Opera:
  • Mike McCarthy calls a Pittsburgh reunion “a great story but...”
  • Colin: Rodgers’ off-season absence is par for the course and not worth panicking about.

  “If you’re struggling with Aaron Sort of Mo. That’s your problem. He’s totally upfront about it. I’ll see you guys in June.” (30:32)

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5. The Quarterback Market: “It’s a Value Proposition”

(32:59–35:56)

Key Points:

• Baker Mayfield’s Upcoming Contract:
  • Current appeal is his value at $33M/year—not talent or pedigree.
  • Compare to Sam Darnold (comfortable with $43–$44M, not $55M), Josh Allen/Mahomes at $60M+.
  • If a mid-tier QB gets paid like a superstar, team-building becomes difficult due to constrained cap.
• QB “Coordinator Dependent”:
  Mayfield and Jalen Hurts stand out as needing the right play-caller to ascend.

Notable Quote:

• Colin:

  “The last four highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL, four straight years, have missed the playoffs.” (33:13)

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6. Baseball Payroll & Parity: Beyond the Big Markets

(39:19–42:42)

Key Points:

• Dodgers and Yankees Top Preseason Rankings—but...
  • Mariners are ranked 3rd with half the Mets’ payroll, showing front office importance.
  • “You gotta spend enough.”—Teams like A’s, Pirates, Marlins under-invest.
  • Small market teams (Brewers, Orioles, Royals) can succeed with ~$150–$200M.
• AJ Pierzynski on 2026 NL/AL Races:
  • Dodgers are favorites if healthy; challengers abound depending on pitching depth.

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7. Wemby: NBA’s New Most Dominant Force

(42:42–49:43)

Key Points:

• Victor Wembanyama:
  • Spurs are NBA’s hottest team since the trade deadline.
  • Wemby’s impact goes beyond stats: changes shot calculus, dominates defensively, drawing comparisons to Magic Johnson’s transformative effect on offense.
• MVP Debate:
  • Wemby claims he “should lead the MVP race.” (43:34)
  • Colin: “He may be the best defensive player ever—already.”
  • Discusses how being best in one aspect (like Magic in transition) can override being merely “good” elsewhere.
  • Cowherd's MVP ballot: Wemby, SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander), Luka Doncic (despite Luka’s defensive issues).

Notable Quotes:

• Wemby:

  “I think I should lead the race and I’m trying to make sure that until the end of the season, there’s no debate.” (43:34)

• Colin:

  “He is so great defensively and very good offensively, he’s not Luka or SGA offensively, but he is so great that I think it trumps everything.” (44:56)
  "Who's the most dominant player in the NBA? Oh, it's Wemby." (49:20)

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8. Tanking, Dynasties, and the NBA's Future

(49:43–51:02)

Key Points:

• Tank for Wemby:
  • Spurs “absolute genius”—proof that tanking can work if generational talent is available.
  • Wemby could anchor NBA’s next dynasty; San Antonio is “a matchup nightmare” for the rest of the West, especially Oklahoma City.
• League Parity:
  Adam Silver’s NBA may fear dynasties, but they develop anyway, especially if a transcendent player emerges.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• "Just because you pay something for real estate doesn’t mean I have to pay something for real estate." (Colin using personal finance as a metaphor for NFL contracts, 20:19)
• "Give me a six pack of Diet Coke for five bucks. That’s appealing. You charge me $28, I’m buying a bottle of Prosecco." (Colin on value contracts, 33:06)
• "The Pistons are physical and play ugly basketball and the Lakers are pretty... They gave [other teams] a blueprint on how to beat the Lakers." (10:55)
• "He is the standard historically for how to play defense. He’s that great." (Colin on Wemby, 46:20)
• “If you’re struggling with Aaron [Rodgers] sort of Mo. That’s your problem. He’s totally upfront about it. I’ll see you guys in June.” (30:32)

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Important Timestamps

• NFL Draft QB comparison breakdown: 03:41–08:54
• NBA—Lakers & Pistons analysis: 08:54–16:24
• JJ Redick on Lakers’ health: 13:37–14:09
• JSN vs. Pickens contract debate: 20:19–24:16
• Ima Udoka on Rockets’ struggles: 24:47–25:13
• 49ers’ Trent Williams contract talk: 26:38–27:53
• Aaron Rodgers offseason: 27:53–31:01
• Quarterback contract “value proposition”: 32:59–35:56
• MLB payroll & parity: 39:19–42:42
• Wemby/MVP, NBA dynasty debate: 42:42–51:02

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Takeaways

• NFL: Don’t overthink proven college QBs with solid résumés (Mendoza); QB contracts must match actual value, not market inflation.
• NBA: Regular season win streaks can be deceptive—Lakers’ loss to the Pistons exposes vulnerability to physical, scrappy teams.
• MLB: Front office quality and sufficient (not maximal) payroll are the real keys to building contenders outside the mega-markets.
• NBA Future: Wemby’s generational impact could make Spurs the next dynasty, tanking for transcendent talent remains a viable strategy.
• Contracts: Star/“what is” players should get paid; “what if” guys remain risky.
• Personality Profiles: Aaron Rodgers' individualistic offseason approach is no longer controversial; it's simply "his thing."

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For those who missed the episode, this summary brings the dynamic, opinionated energy and sharp sports insights that define The Herd, complete with Cowherd’s classic metaphors and analytic approach, and direct dialogue from key analysts and participants.

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Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go. It is a Tuesday. We're live in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be watching or listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Nick Wright stops by as is customary on Tuesday. Good to have you in. So we have officially entered the silly season. We're about a month out from the NFL draft and one of the more popular personalities at the other place came out yesterday and a lot of the media just, you can just reel them right in. Ty Simpson is better than Fernando Mendoza. He should be going number one to the Raiders. Oh boy. All right. Ty Simpson had 15 college starts and the more film defensive coordinators got on him, the more, the worse he got. Fernando Mendoza had 35 college starts and the more film people got on him, the better he got. So we're one month away. There's been no football since the end of the season. It's time to nitpick the number one pick. At no time during the season, late in the season when they were both playing good teams, nobody thought Ty Simpson is better than Fernando Mendoza. What we thought is, what the hell happened to this guy? He was pretty good early. If you go to their last six starts between the two teams, Mendoza completed almost 75% of his throws, and that includes that Ohio State defense, that Miami defense. Ty Simpson's last six games with Calen DeBoer. An excellent offensive coach with the elite wide receivers. He barely completed 60% of his throw. 17 these four picks. So I don't even think Mendoza is a hard evaluation. Think combine Matt Ryan if he was bigger, stronger and a little bit more mobility. So like Matt Ryan and some Daniel Jones. Now he's bigger, stronger, with a better arm than Matt Ryan. Bigger, thicker, stronger, and he's much more accurate than Daniel Jones. Think of Andrew Luck in terms of aggressiveness. Loves to throw the ball down the field and accurate. So I don't think it's that difficult to comp. I think there are quarterbacks coming out of college that are really difficult evaluations. Dak Prescott, there's a reason he went in the fourth round. His mechanics weren't good. He didn't have a great arm. He was kind of athletic, not super athletic. You know, his accuracy, ball placement was very streaky. That was a hard evaluation. Russell Wilson, even his college coach at North Carolina State benched him. Said, I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Mike Glennon. He was shrimpy. I didn't know if he could see over the line. You had to roll him out. He was small and Wisconsin had a huge offensive line. You're like, you run around a lot. I don't know if this really works well. He ended up being really, really good. Okay. And Dak Prescott came into the league where the Cowboys had the best offensive line in football easily at the time. And Zeke. So that helped. And by the way, Russell Wilson came into the league and he had the Seattle defense and Marshawn lynch, so both got some help. Those were hard quarterback evaluations. Really hard. Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, I never thought Dak would be this good. I didn't think Russell Wilson would be that good at his prime. I don't think Fernando Mendoza is that tough of an evaluation. I think he's a, he's a thicker, better arm, stronger. Matt Ryan, he's got that deceptive mobility of Daniel Jones, but he's a much better accurate ball placement quarterback. And he's aggressive like Andrew Locke, but not as talented. He's not as talented as Andrew Locke and like Justin Herbert, he can be a little stiff at times. But I, this is a. Matt Ryan was a B plus prospect, A minus. Daniel Jones was a CC plus. I mean, Dak was like C minus, D. So there are surprises. But the Ty Simpson better than Fernando Mendoza. We had Todd McShay on a month ago. I'm not saying he won't go in the first round. I have predicted he will. Somebody will reach. And he's better than like Kenny Pickett. He's got a good arm. He moves pretty well. Here's Todd McShay on him.

[Todd McShay]

What's the physical trait? That's excellent. That's different. And he doesn't have the physical trait. The other part is the 15 starts, man. It is. It's real. We've talked about it before on this show. Like there are a couple guys who are superhuman that have 25 starts that are great in the league. Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. He's not that. I put him at 13 in this mock draft. As of right now, I don't think that that's going to happen.

[Colin Cowherd]

But wait for it.

[Todd McShay]

Like too many. I've been doing this two and a half decades. As we get closer without other quarterbacks, someone's going to rise. I could see Ty winning over a lot of coaches in those meetings.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I think he'll go in the first round. You know, good arm, moves better than Mendoza. But 15 starts got worse the more film people got on him. I don't even think he's ready to start in the NFL. I think he should sit for a year or two. Mendoza is ready to play. Okay, well, I mean I can go back on vacation if you want. Laker fans. I mean, I left. You were awful defensively. You couldn't beat any good teams. And I leave and you go 50 against good teams. And your defense, you look like the bad boy Pistons. I come back on vacation and a G leaguer. Danas Jenkins had a career high 30 on you last night. The Pistons without Cade Cunningham. And by the way, speaking of G league, the Pistons without Cade Cunningham, that's a G league offense. And the G League, they couldn't stop him. So what does it mean? They lose to Detroit without Cade Cunningham. What does it mean? Not that much. But what does the eight game regular season late season winning streak mean? Nine games. Not that much. And that's the truth. Somewhere in between. It doesn't mean that much. Be very careful about Regular season late NBA winning streaks. Milwaukee had an 8 game winning streak end of last year, bounced. First round Lakers had an 8 game winning streak late in the regular season last year bounced, rolled by Minnesota. It's one of these. I've talked about this for 30 some years. the end of an NBA season, all of them, you're going to have five teams tanking. This year it may be eight. And you're also teams kind of know their seeds, they know what they are. A lot of veteran players rest. You know, I've got an ice cream headache, I'm taking the night off. You know, it's one of those things. So you've got, you've got tanking. The good teams are spanking the tankers and then you got some stars just taking some time off, getting ready for the playoffs, getting healthy. So you got to be very careful. Bucks and Lakers on fire last year late in the regular season meant nothing. I will say this though, that Detroit gave you a little bit of blueprint, a little bit of a blueprint on what gives the Lakers trouble. Pistons the last two years are 40 against the Lakers. Why? Because the Pistons are physical and play ugly basketball and the Lakers are pretty. The Lakers play a beautiful half court. The Lakers and Pistons I could argue are the opposites. The Lakers are brilliant in the half court offense. Aesthetically, optically beautiful. The passing, the layering. Everybody's an offensive wizard. Detroit's the opposite outside of Cade Cunningham and he didn't play last night. They're tough and rugged and physical and they're a nightmare on the half court. They're bad, they can't shoot. Last night they shot 43% from threes. They're terrible three point shooting team. These are the opposite. If you asked God what could the Pistons really need, you'd say a little bit more like the Lakers. And if you ask what could the Lakers use, it'd be a little bit more of the Pistons. But they gave him a blueprint on how to beat the Lakers. Why? What did they do last night? They hunted down Luca Piston players. And I'm not talking great offensive players. Pistons players shot 60% if Luka guarded them. And Jenkins, the g Leaguer shot 100% when Luca guarded him 4 for 4. So this was a little bit of a blueprint. We've said losing to the Pistons doesn't mean much. The nine game winning streak doesn't really mean that much. Late regular season NBA winning streaks. The spurs have won 22 at 24. That's not late season winning streak. That is great. That is a great basketball team that this morning I would take San Antonio to win the finals. That's a great team. 22 or 24. That was like the Heatles like year two. It was like, okay, we're just, we're blowing people out. That's not what a seven or an eight or a nine game NBA late season regular winning streak is. That's not so Losing didn't mean much last night. The nine gamer Take a deep breath. Here's JJ Redikafu.

[JJ Redick]

I believe that we're a good basketball team. I thought we could be a good basketball team the entire season. We saw flashes of it, we saw short stretches of it. But we're a good basketball team and I think we have to continue to. Play together and all that stuff. It is remarkable to me and this is again not an excuse, but

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our

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winning streak has also coincided with us being healthy. We need to finish the season strong, but we also need to finish the season healthy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes. And you know, LeBron's older and Austin Reaves feels like he's been banged up. And Marcus Smart didn't play and Rui didn't play last night, but either did Cade Cunningham. And the Lakers could not stop a G leaguer. So take a deep breath. You know, some teams are just built more ruggedly. Just like some people can move to Chicago and it doesn't bother them. Other people have to live near a warm beach. So my take is everything's going to be okay. But what the Pistons do is not what the Lakers like to face four no against them. They just ugly up the game. They push you around. They hang on you. Detroit is. Is inartistic. But by the way, also the Knicks are a very pretty offensive team with Jalen Brunson and Cat. The Pistons have had success this year against the Knicks, another team that can play a little bit of finesse basketball. So Detroit gives you a little bit of blueprint of ugly it up that the Lakers don't like that style of basketball. That's why when the one when the Heels were great and the warriors were great, they could play ugly basketball too. When you had Draymond Green and Andre Iguodala, the Warriors were beautiful. But they could get ugly really fast. That's the great Michael Jordan's Bulls Pippin beautiful offensively, but Phil Jackson could turn the governor up and they could get choppy and ugly too. Those are the truly great teams. The Lakers have a style they have to play. The Pistons have a style they have to play. That's why neither one's going to win the championship. But they're both very good at what they do. Really good.

[Guest Analyst]

Lakers definitely not winning the championship. You're sure about that? Interesting. I feel like that's a bit of a hot take for an early Tuesday. While you're taking jabs at me like I'm soft because I can't handle Chicago. The reality is you're right. Lakers take Detroit not seriously. No Cade Cunningham, no Marcus Smart. They give up 65 in the first half, but I almost bet them at halftime, Colin. I almost did. Hey, long road trip. I'll give you this, I'll agree with your take that the winning streak was meaningless if they lose to the tanking Pacers on Wednesday night. Indianapolis had lost 16 in a row before a win last night. They are definitely tanking. They want the number one pick, AJ Devonson.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't know what the line is, but the Lakers will blow out. They should the Pacers, Absolutely. Coming up next, just because JSN got paid, don't tell me that I have to pay. George Pickens of the Cowboys. That's next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays in Noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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so just because you pay something for real estate doesn't mean I have to pay something for real estate. And that's how I feel about the new JSN contract. The star receiver for the Seattle Seahawks. So I saw a story this morning because he just signed a contract yesterday $42 million annually for JSN. And it's a lot, right? That's a lot for a wide receiver. And now people are saying, well, George Pickens, you know George Pickens is going a long term deal. They're not the same. Player Productivity with JSN Route Tree Commitment EQ Reliability A George Pickens in all of those categories is depends. JSN is what I would Call a what is proposition? I would call George Pickens a what if proposition. What if George Pickens doesn't get eight targets? Will he get moody? Will he quit? Will he pout? I like what is in the NFL draft? Mendoza. What is in the elite quarterback size, arm aggressiveness, David Bailey, Rush end what is a plug and play? Defensive end Carnell Tate. What is a number one receiver? Jeremiah Love Fano, the tackle from Utah. What is an excellent number one in this class? Tackle Arvell Reese is a what if. What if he goes to the Jets? He's projected to be a pass rusher but the coaching staff can't figure it out. Whenever I see teams like Arizona, the Jets and Cleveland draft what if employees, you know like, well, what if Cleveland does a Cleveland and can't figure it out? I want what is JSN has the potential to be an all time guy and it's not just, you know, he's not a huge guy. And add this about jsn. Seattle leads late in games usually and is running the ball and he's still more productive than Pickens. Seattle doesn't even throw the ball that much, 29th in pass attempts and JSN is still more productive. So he plays on a run. First team that often leads games late and is playing conservatively and he's still much more consistently productive. I like what is employees, not what if employees. And that's what Pickens is they're not the same guy. Hasselbeck yesterday on JSN's deal, if you're

[Robert Mays]

going to pay a guy, if you're going to pay him, you know, make him the highest paid player at his position, 100% you're talking about the elite talent on the field, but 100% you're also talking about is this guy going to change? What's he going to be like once he gets paid? To me he's top five ever in terms of what he's done at his age in the first three years of his career. And I think they're going to get him for the prime of his career.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. To me, I don't care what JSN makes. Pickens is not in the same ballpark. I can't rely on him emotionally. He's moody, he pouts. You know, what if you know he's not getting the ball? They roll over coverage. They shut him down in the first half. He goes in at the break, he comes out and he's just not in the mood to play. I've seen that in Pittsburgh and I've seen that in Dallas. And he's talented. A lot of talented guys. All you need to know, Seattle moved off DK Metcalf, and DK Metcalf is really talented. They moved off him knowing in the building, JSN's better and he is J. Mac with the news.

[NBA Player or Analyst]

No, no, no, no.

[Colin Cowherd]

Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

[Guest Analyst]

All right, let's start with the NBA. Yesterday, we talked about the Celtics losing a bad one to the Timberwolves. The Lakers lost a bad one last night. Colin. The Houston Rockets lost a really bad one last night. They got an unbelievable game from KD, who had 40. Shen Goon had a triple double. And the Rockets lose to the Bulls, the tanking Bulls. Ima Udoka got two technical fouls, was tossed, and he was heated afterward. Take a listen.

[Ima Udoka]

We didn't respect the game or the opponent. And the only way they score 41 is if we're playing the way we did on both sides. And so turned the ball over. They shot seven for nine threes. And the closeouts weren't aggressive into the bodies, just made them too comfortable. Flagrant. Soft as hell. It's nothing. And then the Techs were soft, too. I'm not about to complain about a soft crew. So it is what it is.

[Colin Cowherd]

He'll get fined for that.

[Guest Analyst]

Listen, that's a frustrated coach, Colin. The Rockets are going through it. They're down bad right now. As the kids like to say. They can't do anything right. Kevin Durant, you know, is scoring, but they're not winning. Shengun had an amazing game. And they give up a buck 32 to your Chicago Bulls. I'm surprised you were not in the building last night, big guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I can watch it on tv. You know, I don't think. We think right now, San Antonio and Oklahoma City are notches above everybody else in the West.

[Co-host/Producer]

So I.

[Colin Cowherd]

How it ends, how it plays out. I mean, Durant is remarkable, and he's on a little bit of a heater, but I. I think Houston has limitations. I think everybody knows it. Limitations.

[Guest Analyst]

Yeah. The kid Boozelis for the Bulls last night. The young kid. You got to go watch him in person. Dude. That guy looks like an awesome player. He had 23 points, basically going head to head with everybody. Houston could throw at him. That's a tough one for the Rockets. Lakers need to face the Rockets in the first round. That's their best matchup for sure. They'll roll up. All right, let's move to the NFL, where the Niners and Trent Williams are attempting to progress on a contract. Not looking great, not looking awful, though. Williams has a cap number of 47 million after the team declined to exercise his $10 million roster bonus last week. I'd be pretty ticked if I didn't get a $10 million bonus. Kyle Shanahan remains confident, though a deal will get done.

[Colin Cowherd]

Any updates on the Trent Williams situation at all? No updates for me.

[Co-host/Producer]

I actually stay pretty much out of that. I know John and everyone's working hard to do that. Hopefully they'll get that done. We love Trent too much and eventually that'll work out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, that's basically a no comment. Get me out of here. I don't want to talk about that.

[Guest Analyst]

I mean, listen, Trent Williams is a veteran. What? You know, he's great.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's still great.

[Guest Analyst]

They're not gonna, they're not gonna screw this up without him. Look at how bad they are.

[Colin Cowherd]

Especially when you have a smaller quarterback who gets dinged up a lot.

[Guest Analyst]

You love to get that. Nobody throws in adjectives at Brock Purdy like you do every single time. A smaller quarterback. No, no quarterback can survive without their left tackle. Yeah, the Niners will get this done. I, I don't think this is a huge deal, but I would be ticked if I didn't get that 10 million dollar roster bonus.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he was the, you know, I mean, Trent was a top three tackle last year. Also position matters. The Seahawks let a lot of guys go, you know who they didn't? JSN and Charles Cross, their left tackle. I mean, you gotta, you gotta sign your left tackles in this sport. There's, there's about six great ones, six other really good ones. Denver Bulls, really, really elite. Trent Williams, elite. I don't know if Charles Cross is in that class, but he's really good, so he'll get signed.

[Guest Analyst]

Our final story is we've done a good job avoiding this guy, Aaron Rodgers. Colin. But when Mike McCarthy of the Steelers actually talks about him, I guess, I guess we got to chime in. So McCarthy was talking over the weekend and was asked about a potential reunion with Aaron Rodgers.

[Mike McCarthy]

It'd be a great story. I don't know. And I would love to tell everybody right now, this is breaking news. But, you know, you know, it's, it's, it's really, it's, it's really cool to see Aaron at 42. You see, you know, a young man at 22 and, you know, all that he's been, you know, all what he's been able to accomplish and, you know, where he's at in his personal life and, you know, in trying to make this decision. So he's in a really good place, but I think he's an early good place.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. March, April and May is. Over the last three to four years, March, April and May have become what's Aaron Rogers going to do? And so I'm kind of done playing it. I, I think he was very good last year, much better than the critics want to say. He didn't throw a lot downfield because he had a very weak receiving core, especially last couple games when DK Metcalf couldn't play. But I think this is one of those things where, you know, Brady in his prime would go down to Costa Rica and take his receivers and footballs and work on it and Aaron disappears. So I think at this point, if Pittsburgh had their next quarterback, they'd move on. They don't. They put themselves in this position. So, you know, they got. You got to play this dance with Aaron because. And by. For the record, Aaron does this every year. So I have no sympathy for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Aaron's been doing this for four years and this is what he does. It doesn't bother me because everybody knows it's what he does. It'd be one thing if he'd been totally committed forever and then he just like, no show. Garoppolo did that. I was told one year in San Francisco where Jimmy just left. Nobody could get a hold of Garoppolo that would disappoint me. Right. Like if I'm used to seeing you in the off season. But Aaron does this. That's an. It's a rite of passage. It's what he does.

[Guest Analyst]

So let me ask why do you think he does this? For the attention?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I think I've got actually thinking,

[Guest Analyst]

like, I don't know, let me take three months and figure it out.

[Colin Cowherd]

Aaron's. You know, we talked about Kevin Durant yesterday that I kind of appreciate that he's a different cat.

[Guest Analyst]

There's.

[Colin Cowherd]

There's more than one way to be a great player. There's more than one personality to be a quarterback. And he, Aaron's not. He doesn't have the off season intensity obsessiveness of Brady. He doesn't have the in season intensity kind of rigidity of Peyton Manning where he's just like, Saturdays, I want to practice. Aaron's kind of his own guy, super talented, does his own thing. I'm comfortable with it because everybody in the world at this point, if you're struggling with Aaron Sort of Mo. That's your problem. He's totally upfront about it. I'll see you guys in June.

[Guest Analyst]

Interesting. So maybe in August, I'm going to pull a stunt like this. I'm just going to start ghosting you. And, you know, you're cool with it. You're cool with Rogers. I just keep you like, who's gonna be your. Who's gonna be your. Your wingman?

[Colin Cowherd]

Give that a try, see how it works out.

[Guest Analyst]

You got a Will Howard waiting in the wings.

[Colin Cowherd]

J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. So I think this is. This is interesting. So, you know, everybody knows I was tough on Baker Mayfield, but I've said he's a very nice guy. There was the incident in Manhattan Beach. He was with his wife, and there was a really strange incident. And he was a really nice guy. I think. I think he's a really nice guy. I thought he was too cocky coming out of college. I told you I thought Sam Darnold was better. I think we all know today Sam Darnold's really good. So is Baker. But we forget this, even at quarterback. It's a value proposition, okay? The last four highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL, four straight years, have missed the playoffs. Okay? So I saw a story today as Baker is due a new contract. Okay? What makes Baker so appealing now is not his size. He's 6:1. Or his athleticism or his resume. One playoff win. What makes Baker Mayfield appealing is $33 million for a above average NFL quarterback. That's appealing. Baker Mayfield at 48 is not appealing to me. Give me a six pack of Diet Coke for five bucks. That's appealing. You charge me 28, I'm buying a bottle of Prosecco. Okay? 33 million for Baker. That is. I think that is one of the better deals in the league. Sam Darnold for 35, maybe the best deal in the league because I think he's a bigger, stronger, more athletic Baker. But, but you. You start talking new contract. I mean, it, it's, you know, $5 footlong at subway. I ate a lot of those. $13. I'll pass. Right. So we think you got to get value on everybody except the quarterback.

[Guest Analyst]

No.

[Colin Cowherd]

Josh Allen at 60 million has no Pro Bowlers on defense. And Mahomes near 60 million has no run game. And they're getting really old. And they had to get rid of Trent McDuffie. So, you know, Baker Mayfield last year was. He was not. Not bad, but he's a little coordinator dependent. Josh Allen's good regardless of coordinator. Mahomes is good regardless of coordinator. I think Justin Herbert is good. Joe Burrow is good regardless of coordinator. Baker Mayfield was much better with Liam Cohen and Dave Canales than last year. He's a little quarter coordinator reliant. Now, we've said this about Nick Sirianni. Nick and I don't like this at all. When a head coach is coordinator dependent. Get a new head coach. I'm not going to. You don't have to get rid of your quarterback. I think Jalen Hurts is another guy. Jalen Hurts is very reliant on who's the coordinator. He's not an all time talent either is Baker. Baker with Liam Cohen is a baller. Baker last year 10th in passing yards. You know, had a handful of game winning drives. I like that he's got a good chip on his shoulder. He's good late in games, but you know, the whole Baker. Robert Mays from the Athletic was on our show recently talking about a new Baker deal.

[Robert Mays (continued)]

Let's go back like two or three years to when Baker Mayfield was just out there on the street. Baker Mayfield signed a one year, $4 million deal to be the Bucks starting quarterback. And then when he succeeds, you see it start to creep up. All right, Darnold's 10 million. Daniel Jones is 15 million. Justin Fields is now 20 million. And so the idea that you could have gotten baker for 4 million bucks three years ago and now Malik Willis is going to make $30 million a year in free agency, it just shows you how fast things change.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And I say this and I love Sam Darnold. I'm comfortable with Sam Darnold at 45 million. I'm not comfortable at 55. I think Sam I'm 43. 44, I'm comfortable with Sam Baker, 36, 37, I'm comfortable. But it's a value proposition with all these guys that aren't named Josh, Allen, Herbert or Patrick Mahomes. The appealing part of Baker is not the size and the mobility or the resume. That's not it. It's that he's a good player. And when you get him for 33, I can have two good corners and two good tight ends. And the interior line, I can pay for that, too. That's the difference. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am

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[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, the app Athletic came out with their preseason power rankings. And yes, The Dodgers are one and the Yankees are two. But the Mariners are third. A team from Canada is seventh. The brewers are 10th. Orioles small market Baltimore is 12, Kansas City 13. So yes, big brands and payroll matter. Money matters, of course, but it also illustrates that front offices do as well. The Mariners have half the payroll of the Mets, and they were a much better team last year. And my guess is the Mariners will be a much better team this year. So it's a little like Silicon Valley. Yes. Nvidia and Meta and Apple and Google eat up a lot of the competition, but there's a lot of small companies eating in the Bay Area as well. Here is the truth about baseball. You've got to spend enough. Okay? You can't do a Pirates. I looked this morning. Pirates spent 108 million, Marlins 86, White Sox 91, A's 118. You gotta spend enough. And that line, baseball used to have something called the Mendoza Line. I grew up a Mariners fan. Mario Mendoza hit under 200. He had a great glove. The Mendoza Line. Well, there's sort of a reasonable commitment line with payroll. And if you get to about 150. 150. I mean, the Braves won the World Series four years ago. Five years ago, 10th biggest payroll. But the small market brewers spent 143 million. The Guardians 130 million. Tigers 188. Seattle 194. You gotta spend. And they're all billionaires who own this team. All these teams are owned by billionaires. So, you know, people talk about, well, the payroll. Nobody questions if payroll matters. But front offices like the Mariners have an excellent front office. The Tigers finally have their act together upstairs. And you gotta just spend enough. You gotta get into $165 million, thereabouts. And all these teams, the A's now with a new stadium, will be able to spend that. So it's, you know, I know you're all freaking out. Yes, the Dodgers are the best for the record. Nobody complained about dynasties. When the Yankees had Jeter and Posada, well, those guys came from their system. Well, they went and paid for a rod. They paid for a lot of big guns. And you can go back to the Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson days. The Yankees have always stepped up and paid for the big, big guns. Here's AJ Pruszynski on some of the contenders to go up against the Dodgers this year.

[AJ Pruszynski]

If they're pitching, they figure out pitching. The Mets could be good. The Cubs could be good. If they. Again, they're pitchers. They get steel back and they run steel. Imanaga ty on that group out there. The Phillies are always going to be the Phillies. The National League is just better to me than the American League. Is the Blue Jays game a run for their money? They could do it. I think the Red Sox with their pitching would be tough. They find enough offense. The Yankees, you know, everyone's down on the Yankees. They were pretty good last year. They won 94 games. So there's challengers. For the Dodgers, it just comes down to health. If they're healthy, no one's going to beat them.

[Colin Cowherd]

Same thing we used to say about the late 90s Yankees. If they're healthy, nobody's probably going to beat them. So Wemby last night, spurs are the hottest team in the league. They're the best team in the league right now. And you know, Wemby last night put up 26, 15 and five blocks and they blew out the Miami Heat. And but what I, you know, one of the things I like about Wemby, and we've said this before, if you're, if you're going to be the face of the league, you've got to want to be the face of the league. You got to have the game and the aura and the commitment to. Aunt Edwards has the game, the look. He doesn't want to be the face of the league. Jayson Tatum's got a game, but he didn't have the aura. He's not aggressive. Wemby's got everything. And after the game last night, he talked about being mvp. He's going after it.

[NBA Player or Analyst]

I have thought about it. I think right now there is a debate, you know, that should be. Even though I, I think I should leave the race and I'm trying to make sure that until the end of the season, there's no debate.

[Colin Cowherd]

So what's. You gotta watch the games. You can't just look at stats. Like years ago, Darrell Rivas and Deion Sanders were great corners, but they didn't always Lead the NFL in interceptions because a lot of quarterbacks would just not throw their way. So it's almost like you ever go to a club and the bouncers, like, six' six, former NFL guy, 280. He doesn't get in a lot of fights. Nobody challenges him. That's Wemby. He leads the NBA in blocks by 39. He would lead by 139 if people challenged him. But Wemby, literally, you can't measure his greatness in stats because he changes the geometry of your offense. Players won't even challenge him inside. And I know it's an. It's an offensive league. He's good offensively. Luke is great. But Wemby's. There's an argument, and I'm not sure how long there'll be an argument. He's not only the best defensive player by a long shot now he may be the best ever. He may be moving into greatest defensive player ever. And again, like a Deion Sanders and Ed Reed or a Jerrel Rivas. A lot of quarterbacks are, like, not interested. I'm just not throwing to that side of the ball. The big bouncer, like, no, thanks. That guy never gets in a lot of fights. A bouncer's 5, 6, 130, probably gets in a lot of fights. A lot of people are going to challenge him. Right? If J. Mac's a bouncer, he's going to get a lot of challengers. Okay? But my point with Wemby is he is so great defensively and very, very good. Offensively, he's not Luka or sga. Offensively, consistently, he is so great that I think it trumps everything. And the way the comp I would use is Magic Johnson. Magic was a mediocre defender and couldn't. He didn't have a great jump shot. He had, like, a set shot. He was so brilliant in transition. I've never, to this day, every player, NBA history, I've never seen a player in transition that was more magical than Irvin Johnson. Again, he changed the pace. He changed his team. Everybody was great with Irvin. He would take a C player, make him a B player. And I think Wemby just changes the way you have to attack them. I mean, the only thing that is even remotely close in terms of a comp is Chet Holmgren. He's not close. He's good, but he's not Wemby. So, I mean, I was looking at this since February 1st. You know, you get to that second half of the NBA season trade deadline, the spurs are first in virtually everything. Wins, point differential, rebounds, points, assist blocks, net rating. So Wemby, they say, is the greatest prospect since LeBron. But there are things LeBron could do because of his physical genetic makeup that other players just can't do. That's Wemby. There are things Wemby does, LeBron can't do. And, like, a lot of it's hard work. And nobody disputes that there's a lot of tall people on the earth. But, I mean, it's. I've said this before, when the media comes out and you hear this, this is the greatest prospect ever. That was Bryce Harper. Well, he's lived up to it. That was Tiger woods in his prime. He lived up to it. That was LeBron James. He lived up to it. Peyton Manning was one of the great quarterbacks, football prospects of all time. He lived up to it. Wemby lives up to it. And we're seeing the beginning. I mean, Wemby leads the NBA in blocks by 39. He's missed games, and most teams just avoid him. They just. The calculus changes. Like now. We're just not. We're not going to attack the rim. His offensive game can be a, you know, it can be a little inconsistent if he's not hitting his three. Sometimes he's a little off offensively. He's not there yet. But. And I want to ask Nick Wright at the top of next hour is people are saying, well, Lucas should be MVP and Magic wasn't. Magic wasn't a great defender either and won the MVP three times. But I think when you literally change how an aspect of a sport is viewed, I think Wemby is so much better than everybody defensively. Is that if he's a B plus offensive player to an A minus, there is no other. He is the standard historically for how to play defense. He's that great. You know, I saw Kareem Abdul Jabbar in his prime. Had some of this. Absolutely had a lot of this. But he didn't move this well. You know, Wemby's a whole different. A whole different ballgame. So my MVP is WEMBY. Probably do SGA2. Luca, I'm sorry. Is a defensive liability. I'm sorry. And all the technicals drive me crazy. I'd put Luka third. Wemby, sga. Luka.

[Guest Analyst]

I'll go. Luka. Wemby, sga. Similar.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right.

[Guest Analyst]

Well, by the way, speaking of, I have never been a bouncer, but I did see this amazing movie with Patrick Swayze called Roadhouse and he was a bouncer my size that just wrecked everyone.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's Hollywood.

[Guest Analyst]

No, I think it's based on a true story.

[Colin Cowherd]

Al Pacino's five, six and a half. He's a tough guy in movies. Okay, let's go. Let's be honest about that.

[Guest Analyst]

But no, your point about Wemby is a good one because, Colin, I ask you right now, who's the most dominant player in the NBA?

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, it's Wemby. He's the most dominant.

[Guest Analyst]

So, okay, so if he's the most dominant and the spurs, by the way, an untold story. The spurs tanking for him was absolute genius. Why do you see 10 teams tanking now? There's no Wemby in this draft, but seeing in three years you could go from the bottom of the league to 50 some odd wins and maybe win the championship, tanking works. So I love the tank for Wemby. I think he's dominant.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And the other thing is, we're in an NBA era. I've said this repeatedly, and I think you have, too. You can't. Adam Silver's paralyzed by dynasties. Sometimes they happen. Yeah, they're not happening now because as good as Jokic is, he's not. I mean, he's. He's a mediocre defensive player. He's dominant offensively. Wemby is not as good as Jokic offensively, but he's so unique, runs the court so well. He's so dominant defensively. There is a. I would say a better than 50% bet that if we're going to have a dynasty, it's going to be San Antonio, which, for the record, has owned Oklahoma City when they've played. They are a matchup nightmare for okc. So when OKC really struggles to match up, that's all you need to know. So, because OKC his last year, historically, OKC put up some numbers as the greatest defensive team of all time. And they can't solve the Wemby riddle. Like, they just can't solve it. So, you know, that's why I don't waste too much time worrying about dynasties. The NFL doesn't want dynasties. The Patriots had one for 20 years and the Chiefs had one for six. Dynasties happen. Hour two. Next. Whether you want to maximize your performance

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[Co-host/Producer]

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[Colin Cowherd]

It's easy.

[Co-host/Producer]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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