THE HERD - Hour 1 - Micah Parson's contract dispute is a big nothing burger, Shedeur Sanders tonight, Mark Dominik

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd Episode: THE HERD - Hour 1 - Micah Parsons' Contract Dispute is a Big Nothing Burger, Shedeur Sanders Tonight, Mark Dominik
Release Date: August 8, 2025

The Herd with Colin Cowherd, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, delivers a comprehensive and opinionated exploration of the day's top sports stories. In this episode, guest Doug Gottlieb, filling in for Colin Cowherd, delves into the ongoing contract negotiations of Dallas Cowboys linebacker Micah Parsons, discusses the prospects of Shedeur Sanders in the NFL, and engages in an insightful conversation with former Tampa Bay Buccaneers General Manager Mark Dominik.

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Micah Parsons' Contract Dispute: Overblown or Significant?

[02:27 - 24:18]

Doug Gottlieb opens the discussion by addressing the swirling rumors and media frenzy surrounding Micah Parsons' contract negotiations with the Dallas Cowboys. He expresses skepticism about the perceived gravity of the situation, labeling it as potentially a "big nothing burger."

Key Points:

• Limited Interest in Parsons' Personal Life: Gottlieb states, “I don't care about Micah Parsons. Not that I don't care about him as a person... I don't actually care.”

• Contractual Realities: He explains the NFL's franchise tag system, emphasizing that Parsons is not a free agent and is likely to remain with the Cowboys unless they decide otherwise.

  “He is under contract and he's not a Free agent at the end of the year. The Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent.”

• Mutual Benefits of the Franchise Tag: The franchise tag offers the team cost certainty and assists with salary cap management, making it a mutually beneficial arrangement despite its limitations.

Notable Quote:

“It's mutually beneficial, it's mutually punitive.”
— Doug Gottlieb [14:30]

Insights from Mark Dominik on Contract Negotiations

[24:18 - 37:35]

Mark Dominik joins Gottlieb to provide expert analysis on Micah Parsons' situation. Dominik concurs with Gottlieb's assessment, highlighting the Cowboys' desperate need for Parsons and predicting that the negotiations will conclude favorably within the next few weeks.

Key Points:

• Cowboys' Dependence on Parsons: Dominik emphasizes that moving Parsons could delay the Cowboys' aspirations of winning another Lombardi Trophy.

  “If you move Micah Parsons away from that football team, I think you're delaying that for at least another year or maybe longer.”
  — Mark Dominik [21:04]

• Impact of Injuries on Team Performance: Discussion of Rashawn Slater’s injury with the LA Chargers and its detrimental effect on their offensive lineup.

  “It's just devastating... When you lose your premier left tackle in the NFL, that hurts and has ripple effects.”
  — Mark Dominik [23:07]

• Terry McLaurin's Contract Scenario: Dominik analyzes the Washington Commanders' dilemma in renewing wide receiver Terry McLaurin's contract, suggesting a two-year extension with performance incentives as a viable strategy.

  Notable Quote:

  “It's the Saquon Barkley mentality. You don't want to see him somewhere else having success because you know how much you love him.”
  — Mark Dominik [27:56]

Running Back Market Challenges

[29:18 - 31:37]

The discussion shifts to the broader NFL running back market, focusing on recent contracts like Kyron Williams' three-year, $23 million deal. Dominik critiques these agreements, arguing that they set a negative precedent and hurt the market overall.

Key Points:

• Market Impact: Dominik believes that high-profile contracts by agents like Drew Rosenhaus have stifled the running back market, making it harder for teams to secure valuable players without overpaying.

  “This deal to me by Drew Rosenhaus set the market back again for running backs. It's a bad deal...”
  — Mark Dominik [30:15]

Shador Sanders' Opportunity with the Cleveland Browns

[31:37 - 33:37]

Addressing concerns about Shador Sanders being "set up to fail" as the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, Dominik reassures that the organization has no intent to see Sanders fail. Instead, Sanders is being provided with an opportunity to showcase his abilities due to injuries in the starter lineup.

Key Points:

• No Intent to Fail: Dominik asserts, “No one sets a guy up to fail... he's getting set up to go have an opportunity.”

• Importance of Offensive Line: He notes that the offensive line remains a critical factor for Sanders' success.

Notable Quote:

“There's still going to be an opportunity that Shador has to say, hey, look, I can play at this level... But he's not getting set up to fail. He's getting set up to go have an opportunity.”
— Mark Dominik [32:12]

Caleb Williams' Struggles in Chicago Bears Training Camp

[33:37 - 37:35]

The conversation moves to Caleb Williams, the quarterback for the Chicago Bears, who has faced criticism after a viral video showed him struggling in a training drill. Dominik provides context, suggesting that a single drill doesn't accurately reflect Williams' overall capabilities.

Key Points:

• Contextual Performance: Dominik explains that Williams had multiple successful drills, emphasizing that isolated instances should not define his performance.

  “It's about snap, get the ball to the playmaker and go.”
  — Mark Dominik [39:36]

• Long-Term Potential: He draws parallels to historical quarterbacks, citing Bill Walsh’s advice that a quarterback should have a season and a half to prove themselves.

Notable Quote:

“He said it takes a season and a half. And after a season and a half, if he can't do it, he's not doing it.”
— Mark Dominik [33:37]

Big 12 Preseason Poll Decision

[37:35 - 43:03]

Gottlieb commends the Big 12 Conference for its groundbreaking decision to forego a preseason poll, arguing that predicting team performance without knowing team rosters is ineffective. He highlights the unpredictability of team dynamics, especially with the transfer portal and numerous roster changes.

Key Points:

• Unpredictability of Teams: Dominik underscores that many teams have a significant portion of their rosters newly assembled, making accurate preseason predictions nearly impossible.

• Big 12's Strategic Move: By not releasing a preseason poll, the Big 12 avoids disadvantaging teams like Arizona State and acknowledges the fluid nature of team compositions.

Notable Quote:

“Nobody knows... Anybody who tells you they know, they're lying because nobody knows.”
— Doug Gottlieb [43:03]

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb and Mark Dominik provide an in-depth analysis of Micah Parsons' contract situation, the challenges in the NFL running back market, and the prospects of emerging quarterbacks like Shador Sanders and Caleb Williams. Their expert insights shed light on the complexities of NFL contracts and team dynamics, offering listeners a nuanced perspective on current sports narratives.

Notable Final Quote:

“This deal isn't a nothing burger, but I've seen this movie, I know how it ends.”
— Doug Gottlieb [24:18]

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Stay Tuned:
For more detailed discussions and expert opinions on ongoing sports stories, be sure to catch the next episode of The Herd live on Fox Sports Radio or stream it via the iHeartRadio app.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin Cowherd. And for the next couple of hours, I wanna talk sports with you. It's a Friday, and I don't know how to say this without getting excited. It's a football. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow starting a quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals last night. Right. We had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually playing some of their guys last night. We'll have some of that tonight. So. And by the end of the weekend, every team will have had a preseason game. And we can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon. We don't really know. Right. One's playing against fours and whatever. And while either crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're going to say he's a bum and he stinks by the end of the weekend and it may not actually matter to how he. How he plays. That's preseason football. Football. Mark Dominic, who's a former general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers, he'll join us upcoming in 15 minutes. This is a weird way of presenting this story, but I do think it's the only way of presenting this story is. And I understand it's a contradictory way of talking about it, but it's the way in which I do feel like we should all talk about it, which is I don't care about Micah Parsons. Not that I don't care about him as a person. My. My care about him as a person is fairly limited. Let's just kind of be honest. We're not friends. Doesn't mean we're enemies, but I don't actually care. He's a great football player, seems to be a bright enough guy, and who am I as a head basketball coach in Division 1 and also a radio show host on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio. Who am I to be critical of him having a podcast? But I don't think the podcast is the best idea for him, mostly because at his age, he still has what I would call. It's not. Not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly they're not really developed. Also just doesn't have. Like when you're in your mid-20s, there's a lot you don't know, especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew up. Stat nerd. Studying every other sport and every other thing. So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot. When he's talking about other stuff, he doesn't really know very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan. Right. Which may be interesting to you, but there are far. There are so many pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys, especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be that smart, but this is not like a personal shot at Mike Parsons. I don't care a ton because he's going to be a Cowboy. There's this, we do this thing, we do this dance. Not just with the Cowboys, we do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know, he could be a free agent at the end of the year, huh? Did we not review how the contracts, the rookie contracts are structured in the NFL? And as a high first round pick, this is year five where the year five option is a big payday again in comparison to the rest of the contract. And though there doesn't appear to be any contract beyond this year, the fact is that all the Cowboys have to do is slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year. And he has basically one choice. That's to play for the two choices, negotiate a long term extension with the Cowboys or play for the Cowboys as a franchise tagee, which is a big number, but it doesn't have long term benefits for either side. And they're like, well, what would the long term benefits for a football team be? Well, gives them cost certainty and it also helps them with the luxury tax, where it's not a luxury tax, with the, with the, with a salary cap where they can't manipulate it and do some signing bonus and push them away. And that's the benefit. So it is, it's mutually beneficial, it's mutually punitive. But the one thing I can tell you is that if the Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Micah Parsons for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy. After this year, you're like, what? Yeah. And most football fans sitting there going like, I, I know this Gottlieb. I tuned in to hear Cowherd. Cowherd's not there. He's in Chicago or Rhode island or parts unknown that he will probably tweet about later on today. And oh yeah, by the way, you're telling me something I already knew. But again, you have to reiterate it. He is under contract and he's not a Free agent at the end of the year. The Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent. There's no reason for them to want him to be a free agent. And then you factor in it's the Dallas Cowboy, it's Cowboys and it's, it's. Did you guys ever get caught up in the Law and Order? And some people did a Special Victims Unit, Everybody had a Law and order. What I loved about the Law and Orders was that it's just kind of self contained. There's no like ongoing storyline for the most part. What I disliked about the Law and Orders, at some point you kind of know who it is. And they do come up with new and clever ways in which to point out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines are kind of the I, I'm based upon a true story, but it ends up coming to be where you like. Yeah, you figure it out about 3/4 the way in how many years have we done this? Just last year. Dak Prescott, CD Lamp, Zach Martin. I mean you can go to Ezekiel Elliott in that year. And then, you know, Zeke, who this is, it's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook. And Jerry always gives in. Jerry's gonna pay him a bunch of money. Jerry thinks they had a deal done. My guess is that they had a deal done. And then the agent, David Mugeta is like, wait, you did a deal without me? And so he wants, you know, more money as some sort of punishment. They're like, we agreed to a term, we're good. Like it eventually get done. He's not even holding out. Nor is he gonna hold out because he doesn't want to get fined and he doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's not sitting as not threatening to sit out. He simply is like, I want to be traded. Sure. Now could the Cowboys trade him? Yeah, I mean you could sit there and go, hey, we're not particularly good with or without him, so why not trade him for a couple two first round picks and then be done with it, Move on? They could do that. I just don't think they will drafted Micah Parsons. They like Micah Parsons. He works there. He's been, you know, last year was a different defensive system than previously and it took some adjustment and they're not great. But he's going to be a Cowboy. And the only reason he wouldn't be a Cowboys if the Cowboys decided he didn't need to be a Cowboy anymore. And they're clearly not at that point. Otherwise they wouldn't have negotiated a deal. So I have talked for seven minutes and three seconds on a topic that you do feel compelled to circle back to. Dallas Cowboys Micah Parsons star player and the hold in and the story I'm going to tell you or my perception of it is he's going to be a cowboy, he's going to sign a long term extension and I feel like we keep getting roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time. It's tiresome. Made even worse by the fact that we get this fake oh you could be he's a free agent at the end of the year when he's not a free agent. Means you're free, means you contracts up however you want and he will not be a free agent. He could be you come restricted free agent, right? Or he's under club control until otherwise he's not a free agent. That deal. And, and just so you know, like I don't know why people know this. Media deals are much the same. Most media deals when you sign on with a media company even though your contract is up, they do have right of first refusal. They can match anything and they can keep you under contract at that, at that price if you go somewhere else really unless they release you and allow you out of it. And a lot of people, a lot of people I know in the business world have that, you know, non compete clauses and whatever. But for football, this is not like the NBA where your contract is up and you're done. There's no it's not a player option, it's not a team option. I guess you could call it a team option, a team option at franchise tag. But then you can still negotiate a long term deal during any one of those years. But don't get it twisted. You have a tremendous player who's still not in his prime who's under contract this year and realistically under contract for the next three years after this year if the Cowboys don't want to negotiate at all, he's not holding out, he's in, he's doing the I got a back injury so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort of agreement that then the agent lost his mind because he wasn't involved in the negotiation. Rightfully so. And by the end of, I don't know next two weeks Michael Parsons be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a nothing burger, but I've seen this movie, I know how it ends. Seen this movie, I know how it ends. Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations. Thank the world of Micah. Like I've said, I've had a lot of had social time with Micah, which isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of the brightest people I've ever been around and he's very, very talented. Now, how we ultimately melt him in with our future is a challenge and I'm built for it. And he's built for have continual contract negotiations going on. I know you have Mike at front of mind, but we're continually working on contracts and all clubs are. 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Doug got leaving for Colin. This is the Herd, fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app. I will tell you a little later on this hour why the the Big 12 got it absolutely right without having because they didn't have a preseason poll, you know, and, and, and look, I, I fully understand that all of us want to know who's this year's Arizona State right pick 14th end up winning the league last year. But part of that is why I know the Big 12 got it right. We'll discuss that here before the hour is up. In the meantime, let's welcome in a good friend, the guy who you can hear weekly on my program on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominick joins us. He's the former general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. Really his entire professional life has been in professional football scouting moving his way up to being, to being general manager. Mark, you and I have discussed this a lot and we can get into the machinations of it, the agent and what went wrong in the handshake deal. But my first thought when anytime somebody asks me about Micah Parsons is I seen this movie. I know how it ends. He's under contract not just this year, but they could franchise in the next three years. He wants to be there. Forget about asking to be traded. He, he wouldn't be doing the hold in thing if he didn't want. If he didn't want to be there. So I feel like we're extending a lot, spending a lot of energy on something which ultimately is going to get worked out. Is. Is that a logical way of looking at it?

[Noah]

Yeah, Doug, I think you're right. And thanks for having me on. It's. It's certainly one of those ones where you look at the contract and the way it's going to come together. Over 40 million dol. It's posturing right now from, you know, both sides, but the Cowboys desperately need Micah Parsons. I don't think the trade's happening either. I think that they just. I think there's just some frustration that's boiled into it. But Jerry Jones desperately wants to get onto the stage and hold the Lombardi Trophy one more time in his lifetime. And if you move Micah Parsons away from that football team, I think you're delaying that for at least another year or maybe longer. It's the Cowboys. Sorry, Cowboy fans, but, you know, it's too critical, and this is too critical of the year, and I think they feel like they can compete against the Eagles and the Commanders, and because of that, I think this deal does get done. It's just. It might take another week or two.

[Devin]

Are the Cowboys any good?

[Noah]

See, I think they are. I actually think that they're. They're good. They just. You know, what happened last night was Slater, like, they can't afford those kind of things to hit them. But I think your offensive line is a little bit better than I think people realize. And. And I think that they're going to be a good running football team, but they've got the combination of just about everything on the offensive side and defensively, you know, hopefully, you know, Trayvon Diggs can get himself back on the football field. They missed him dearly last year. We'll see what he can look like once he's back, but I think the Cowboys are better. You know, overshone is a guy that should be back this year, and they missed him as well. So I think there are hidden pieces here on that Cowboys team that put them as a competitive team, and I think they are competitive. Can they overtake the Eagles? Maybe not. But can they find magic? Yeah, they can. They can. They can find a game and go beat just about any NFL when they're playing. Right.

[Devin]

You mentioned Slater. Rashawn Slater. He gets. He signs a big contract with the LA Chargers, and then he tears his patella tendon. They do have Joe Alt, right? They were supposed to be bookends. This is going to be the Chargers. And how, how much does that hurt the, the Chargers offensively this year?

[Noah]

That's just devastating, right? I mean, you knew what Coach Harbaugh wanted to do. That's why they took Hampton in the first round to run the ball. They signed Nyjah Harris. They want to run the ball. And to lose a guy like Slater, just as good as he is as a pass protector, he's still a very talented run player, too. And it's just, it's a blow. You, it just, it's crushing in the office there today. You know, as you can imagine, any Charger fan feels it. Yes, they have experienced guys behind them, sure. Trey Pipkins because has played and been there before. Jamari Sawyer has played there and been on the starting line before. But the reality is it's a big blow and it's something that they're going to have to deal with all season long. There's nothing you can do about it. But when you lose your premier left tackle in the NFL, that hurts and has ripple effects.

[Devin]

It.

[Noah]

It takes me to the point where I thought that they could take over this division this year and, and win it from the Kansas City Chiefs for the first time in forever, that they'd win the west to saying, I don't feel that way anymore. I think it's that significant of an injury where I think they're still going to be really good and they're still going to be competitive. But I just think when you lose a premier player at any position, that's going to cost you a game or two, and that's all the difference is between them and Kansas City.

[Devin]

Mark Dominick joining us here, former general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd, fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app. It's funny you bring that up, because we'd had this conversation, I think, on my show this week, last week. I don't know, the weeks run together here in the summer, and you were the first person I thought I was like, I ask everybody, like, is this the year? And Colin came out, I think it was yesterday or the day before, where he's like, this is the year. Chief's dynasty. And he was like, that sounds great. But then the Chargers lose their star left tackle. Like the Raiders better, but they did some smart things. But, yeah, I don't see them being, you know, it's like you kind of start to go through it. You're like, all right, the Broncos didn't play anybody last year. Let's see it's going to be. Going to be fasting Anthony Richardson. So he gets hurt last night, but he got hurt because he misread a blitz and didn't see the hot routes on his right side. Instead, just doesn't see the field. At what point did the Colts just chalk it up to an L and say, let's, let's move on?

[Noah]

It's hard, right. Chris Ballard has been the GM there for many years, and I think the Colts have had a new starter every year since he's been the general manager. That's a really, really hard position to be in. And with Richardson, you know, it's easy to, you know, have the hindsight, but we all talked about it when the draft is coming around. Here's a guy that's, you know, played a little bit at Florida, has had inconsistencies while he's there. He's had injury history that continues to mount. You know, it's. And then they want to do everything again. They were, I think they were desperately hopeful to say, let's get Richardson on the field week one, be the starter, and if he fails, we'll go to Daniel. Well, you know, now the ball's in Daniel's hands and we get to see what he can do with it. Because, you know, when you lose your pinky finger, there's a lot of touch on that. You know, I remember talking to the Hasselbecks, the brothers, and talking about which fingers. One of the ones. If you had to lose one of your fingers, which one would it be? You know, that pinky has a lot of last touch of the ball. For a lot of these quarterbacks, you can try to hold it off the ball, but if you're already inaccurate and you don't have all five fingers working, guess what? It's getting worse. And so I just think that this is, this is the blow for Richardson. They. I think they want us to give him a shot. But the reality is Daniel Jones can be out there, and that's not good news for the Alex Pierces of the world. He likes to throw more balls underneath and to the tight ends and into the backs. And so it's going to have a ripple effects, I think, for this Colts team, too. And it's disappointing to see it happen, but to be surprised, I think would be wrong.

[Devin]

Yeah. Yeah. I saw him play last year against the packers and, you know, Malik Willis was, was starting for the packers and he was the far better quarterback than Anthony. Just. It just wasn't. Wasn't close. It Wasn't there was like one or two throws. You're like, well, that's a good throw. And then the rest of them were just. Nothing was. Nothing was right. And he didn't, he just didn't look comfortable at all. Mark Dominic's our guest here. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Collins to hurt on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app. Terry McLaurin. This one's a little different, right? Because it's not his. It's not his second contract. Coming out of his rookie contract with the Commanders. Different ownership group. On the other hand, like Jay McDaniels kind of took the league by storm last year and Cliff Kingsbury had a really nice transition back to the, to being an offensive coordinator. It would seem like your most vaunted and veteran wide receiver would be a guy you want to hold on to. On the other hand, he's asking for crazy money. He's starting to get up there in age. There's a limit there. How does that contract hold out End?

[Noah]

Yeah, this is tough, right? He's 29 years old. He's, you know, got his contract right now he's entering his last year of the contract contract, which is, you know, why you want to try to renegotiate. You see what happens around the NFL space. Salary is around $15 million, which is, you know, significantly lower than where the market is at wide receiver right now. I think there's two different ways you could tack on two years and try to move this thing more into the mid-20s, which is where I think Terry wants to be. You know, Godwin, I think signed for $20 million a year. I think it's, you know, you're trying to get north of that, I think on an extension or you incentivize this pretty strongly. You put out some, you know, potential earnings of catches or touchdowns or something that's not likely to be earned, where he could still earn it and, you know, certainly get his salary higher and then, you know, sell him the fact that you're unrestricted free agent next year, like you can go anywhere you want. I think those are the things you're trying to sell. I think the two year extension is the way I look at it because he's such a great kid, like he's an unbelievable teammate and a worker that you want him around the program. It's, you know, it's the Saquon Barkley mentality. You don't want to see him somewhere else having success because you know how much you love him. As a person. So I think it's a two year extension. I think you try to do, you know, something about kind of what they did the last time it was three years, $70 million. I think it's in that range. But you got to probably put him to 22 to 25 million per year.

[Devin]

You know, I, I saw this deal earlier this week with Kyron Williams signing a three year, it's really a 23 million dollar deal. And I thought of a discussion we've had the last couple years, which is I get that Saquon was great and Philadelphia tore up his deal and gave him more, more years. I get that Derrick Henry has had a good year last year with Baltimore and obviously Josh Jacobs. I don't know if the Raiders would let him walk if they knew he was going to be that good, that effective and be able to play that many snapshots. That said, like, what has really changed on the running back market? Right. It's still a two year deal, which is kind of. They were fighting for three year guaranteed contracts, they were fighting for more money. And this really is right with like seventh highest paid running back. It doesn't feel like there's that much change and that the Saquon thing is an outlier thing. Do you see a change in the running back market?

[Noah]

Yeah, I think this is a mistake. I think it's an agent who was wanting to get a guy signed, probably getting pressure from the kid, the young man, he's a really talented running back and I think if he plays this thing out, it's easy to sit there and say this on the phone or you know, you're like, ah, yeah, just play it out, you know, 30, what's 20 something million dollars. Okay, wait a second. What if something goes wrong? But at the same point, this deal, this deal to me by Drew Rosenhaus set the market back again for running backs. It's a bad deal and it's a deal that looks like it's. The Rams said, hey look, we'll do something, but it's going to be what we want, not what you need or what you should get, what your value really should be. And so I think it's a, I don't, I never blame a kid. I understand like, you know, this real money to their, you know, can really impact them, especially if they use it correctly and invest it and think long term with some of this stuff. But in terms of the running back market, I think this hurt. It hurt James Cook. It hurt, you know, just about everybody because it's it's, yeah, it's a two year deal, but he was going to be there this year or series guaranteed. But that doesn't really matter. Like you're already going to have him there this year and you were going to have him there next year, you know, so where the goal was to be there. So it's, to me, it's just one of those deals where it hurt the market, but I don't know who pushed it further. I don't know if the agent was like, I want to get this guy signed because I want to get paid or if it was the player going, I got to get paid because I'm scared I'm going to have something go wrong. Either way, it wasn't good for running backs even though the players are really talented player.

[Devin]

Mark Dominick's our guest here in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. There have been some that have said that Shador Sanders is being set up to fail because he's had limited reps with the ones and he's going to get to start for the, for the Browns. Now should be pointed out that most of the starters, I don't think any of the starters are actually playing. So it's the twos and threes. But because of injury, he's been elevated. He's going to get an opportunity. You sat in that seat as a general manager in the NFL with young quarterbacks that have been drafted. Do you believe he's being set up to fail?

[Noah]

No one sets a guy up to fail. There's internally, as an organization, the last thing you're ever going to do is like, I can't wait to get this guy out there. So he falls on his face. Like, no one thinks that way, especially with the draft pick. And I know it's Shador Sanders and people are like, oh, this is, you know, look, they already drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure they got the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately. The problem is what you said, that there's been a lot of injuries and he's found a way to get healthier faster than all the other guys and, you know, there's a great opportunity. You know, it doesn't, you know, there's no way anyone in Cleveland and that organization's like, let's put Chidor out there. So he looks terrible and he fails. No one's thinking that in that organization. So it's, it's silly to write it that way or even to consider it. I think that they, you know, how they play them, how they Use them. We'll see. To be determined, you know, it's the offensive line that's in front of them that's the most concerning thing. But there's still going to be an opportunity that Shador has to say, hey, look, I can play at this level and I can play with. I can rise the level of guys that might not be first stringers and we can go out there and be productive. It'll be great to watch. But he's not getting set up to fail. He's getting set up to go have an opportunity.

[Devin]

Caleb Williams seems to have struggled some in the new offense. J.J. mcCarthy is, you know, he's second year, but really just a rookie struggle a little bit in Minnesota. How long before, you know, like, let's just go with J.J. like, how long before, you know, you're like, this is not gonna work. Yeah.

[Noah]

So it's a great story I can share with you real quick, Doug, is that I was fortunate back in the day when I first came in the league with the Kansas City Chiefs, and then I went down to Tampa for once in 1995. Trent Dilfer was our quarterback. So he'd already played the 94 season. He was in the second season. He just finished the second season, was going into 96. And I'm at the NFL combine. And back then you had to sometimes take a bus to certain things. Well, young Mark Dominic back then, at 24 years old, happened to get to sit next to Bill Walsh, which was just goosebumps, right? You're like, that's Bill Walsh and I'm sitting next to him on a. So I was like, I have his book. I'm just gonna ask him a question. So I asked him that exact question, Doug. How long until, you know, he said it takes a season and a half. And after a season and a half, if he can't do it, he's not doing it. That's what Bill Walsh thought. And, you know, I thought there was thinking about Trent Dilfer. Can you really do it? You know, happy for Trenton that he went to Baltimore and found a way to win a Super Bowl. But he. Bill Walsh says you got a season and a half. If you can't do it by that point, it's just not going to happen. I still believe that. And I think if you look around the league, it holds pretty true that most guys get it figured out or they don't.

[Devin]

I love that. First, you basically sat next to God himself in terms of offensive football, right? Like, maybe he's not God, but he's Got a direct line because that dude, you know, that's awesome. Which, which brings me it actually that it's great because it links up the Arch Manning story from yesterday, right where Archie Manning came out and said, hey look, my grandson's gonna be at Texas, not just this year, but next year. And you know, I know people want to make it about the NIL that kids are receiving and I do think there's a lot of smarter decisions where guys stay in school longer. There is some good to the nil thing. There's some downside to it as well, which we can get to at a different time. But I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think it has to do with his uncles are both hall of Famers and they both stayed because you need a volume of reps. And if you look at Michael Pennix, if you look at, I mean the kid in Denver is the perfect example. He wasn't very good at Auburn, but, but he got so many reps and got got to Oregon and he was the best quarterback on earth at Oregon. This feels like Archie Manning saying, like, we've done this before, we know how it works. It's way more important you get a volume of live reps than it is because you only get that year and a half when you get to the NFL. Right?

[Noah]

Yeah, no, I think they're absolutely spot on. And you know, I think whether Nil was there or not, I think to be able to be a two year starter in college is tremendously important and you know, because the transition for the next level is astronomical. And so I think that that's spot and the benefit is that nil exists and it makes this decision even easier. Even though I think they would have done it the same way because they have seen this book and they've played it and they've talked to people and they, they understand the difficulty of this as that family of anybody understands the difficulty of this position. And so, you know, I think it's the right move. I think he's being absolutely spot on. And you know, thankfully nil is going to make it a lot easier for him to stay for another season and hopefully really build off of what he learns this year.

[Devin]

Mark, great stuff, man. Thanks for joining us. Enjoy the football this this weekend and we will talk to you next week on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

[Noah]

Thanks, Doug. You're the best, buddy.

[Devin]

All right, that's Mark Dominick, former general manager, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He said that's like who you sit next to. I I was in, I was in Israel coaching a team and David Blatt, I see like David Blatt up very tall like now. And I know David Blatt. Some people don't think great coach because it didn't work out with LeBron in Cleveland, but in Israel as a coach, Maccabi Tel Aviv is national team coach. That again, that's like sitting next to a godlike figure and just listening to him talk. Last year with, with my job now at Green Bay, I get a chance to spend two days with Dick Bennett and you're listening to, you're like, I. Whatever you say, that's what I should do because you've done it for, for, for 40 years. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news.

[Noah]

No, no, no.

[Devin]

Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news. Hello, Ryan.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Oh, Doug. Great to be with you today. Let's kick things off. Picking up where you and Mark Dominic just left off. That's some NFL football. And earlier this week, video of Caleb Williams at training camp made the rounds. Showed Williams and Bears quarterbacks participating in a throwing drill with the net and well, Williams pretty much missing the target each time. Here was a reporter asking Williams about that viral video.

[Noah]

All right, so there's this video I think hilarious. Some natural places, I think they blew.

[Devin]

It up and it is what it is.

[Manny]

It's a competition between us and the guys. And so how fast you can get it out, how accurate you can get it out and you know, they just so happened to blow that one up.

[Noah]

And not any other one.

[Doug Gottlieb]

So what are you making of Bears and Williams overall haven't necessarily received the most positive reports out of training camp for these Chicago Bears under new head coach Ben Johnson. Despite a lot of the sky high expectations for the pairing.

[Devin]

Two different, like two different parts. First, in regards to the drill, again, none of us know. And I thought Caleb's saying, hey, it's about how quick you get rid of it too, right? Well, you're not jacking around, but it's not like you're back there trying to be precise and getting your drops and then throwing it. Is it troubling? Maybe a little bit. But again, there's no context provided to it. Was he missing everything all day right now? What am I. So. So if you come to my gym and you watch a one specific drill, you may think my best player, like, well, you're not very good at that. And that should be a basic skill for a quarterback. But again, you don't know, like, am I doing number made threes or am I doing how many can. Just get them up, Just get them up. Just catch it. Don't even look, just rip. Get them up as quickly as you can. See how accurate you are there.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Totally. So on those two points, real quick to provide the larger context. So part of what he's pointed out is that that was just one drill at one time. Apparently the reports are from other people who are at the training camp is that there were other times where he went like 3 for 3 and hit the target perfectly every time. And he also went on to expand and say that that drill specifically with getting it out quick is because you're supposed to be practicing as if you're running a screenplay. So it's just about snap, get the ball to the playmaker and go. So there you go.

[Devin]

Anyway, now what do I think of the Bears? Yeah, I mean, I've heard the same stuff, but nothing means anything till we see him play on Sutton. All right, don't care.

[Doug Gottlieb]

We'll wrap up with this.

[Devin]

Just don't care.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Madden ratings are out. Bit of a surprise. Patrick Mahomes came in fourth among quarterbacks behind Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. Mahomes, who said he's a fan and plays the legendary video game, was asked about the rankings.

[Manny]

I would like to be rated higher, but I got to play and showcase.

[Noah]

That stuff on the football field.

[Manny]

And so if I believe I go.

[Devin]

Out there and play the football that I want to play, that we can get to 99 pretty, pretty quickly.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Feels like we got a bit of Mahomes fatigue happening.

[Devin]

Right.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Like we all know, here's what I'd like.

[Devin]

Here's. I like anybody who actually takes those ratings to mean something. Just go like, okay, we clear the deck. You can draft anybody in the NFL. Is anyone taking a quarterback? Adam Patmos?

[Doug Gottlieb]

I don't see how you do. And I love Josh Allen and I love Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. Incredible. But I don't see how if you're just given the number one overall pick, nothing attached to it whatsoever, just who do you want? I don't see how.

[Devin]

He's been a starter for seven seasons, is that right? Is it seven that he's been starting? Somebody use that Google machine. I think. Seven seasons and he has reached the championship game.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah. Seven seasons as a full time starter, correct?

[Devin]

Yeah, he has reached the AFC championship game every time, every year.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Devin]

So somehow Madden ratings have become relevant to people. I just. We've reached the point to where and, and look, I love Madden. I've been doing this job in sports radio nationally. I remember my first years, 2003, I was with ESPN and I used to play Madden because it would help me remember which player moved to which team. Like play every team in. Play every team at least once and like, oh, they know everybody's name. It's a great way. And I was just married, no kids, you know, my wife worked afternoons, I worked at night. So I'd get up in the morning, she'd be gone like midday and I just throw on Madden. Whatever. So this is not me telling you. I'm not a gamer. I don't love mad. But when do we take Madden ratings or 2K ratings to mean anything? I don't. Sorry. That's right. Music with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News the Big 12 makes one small tweak heading into the season. I'll tell you why the tweak was the right one. That's next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific Time.

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A chance to listen to me. Doug Gottlieb in for calling this is the herd. Hey, I'm, I'm excited. We're all excited. We have brand new YouTube channel for my show each day on Fox Portrait. Just go to YouTube.com UggOTLib show, right? That's YouTube.com UggOTLib show and you can check out our show. Really? That simple. There you go. Got it. Good. Good. Brett, your mark is the commissioner of the Big 12. And here's a guy that, he's pretty impressive, dude. A former, his brother's twin brother's a high powered agent. He's probably basically ran the Brooklyn Nets previous to this and he's tried a lot of things. And I think there's one thing that some people have pushed back on that is absolutely brilliant. And I'm not really sure if people understand why, but this was your mark back at Big 12 media days on why they decided not to release a preseason poll. I think it disadvantaged Arizona State last year. They were picked 16th and I think that hurt them. I think there's no value. And I also feel that with the transfer portal and with roster management and what goes on, you know, as you build that roster, no one knows what they really have. They know what they have on paper, but it hasn't played out. And that was the case with Arizona State last year. So I think, I don't, I don't know if it's a trend or not, but certainly it's the right thing for the Big 12 and I'm glad we did it. I. The second part, I could not echo more the first part. Yeah, okay, maybe, maybe you're right. Maybe it held him back. I don't really know. But the bigger part is the, the second part, which is nobody actually knows. You know, I've been on my job for, as a head coach at green bay for 13 months. You know, we knew the deck was stacked against us last year. We also didn't know that our nation's leading score would break his ankle. Ten Games in. Like, I didn't know that. But the, you know, the Robert Morris won our League 1 league tournament year before they were next to last. And even early this season, it took them a while to kind of come together and they became a really, really good team. But it wasn't, you know, they got a late ad of the Portal. So Mari Dickerson, who transferred to usc, and the only reason they got him was there's a coaching change at Carlton Charleston. He was going to Charleston. Then he became available, then they hopped in and got him, and he just kind of fit what they did. The point is, nobody knows. You know, if you go back and listen to podcast to my show, we had Michael Lombardi on. Mike Lombardi, of course, he's been a general manager in the NFL. He's been in front offices for years. He's written numerous books. And of course, it was a broadcast with Vissen and before that, the NFL Network and Fox as well. And Michael Barney's like, we have 70 new guys. We don't really know what we have. You know, my own motor, Oklahoma State, they think they're going to be better, but they have 65 new players, 15 padded practices, and then they go and play. And again, granted. And I know we, we do this stupid thing as broadcasters, we're like, wow, why are you playing, you know, Southwest Northwestern, whatever, when you're a power force school? Because you don't know what you have. And even when you practice, oftentimes you don't know until there's live bullets. So a preseason poll. Anybody who tells you they know, they're lying because nobody knows. Ask all the coaches, how good are you? Like, I think we're better, but I don't know what everybody else is. Right. It's not just, you don't know what you have, it's you don't know what everybody else has. And Indiana is the perfect example. Do I think Indiana was great last year? No. But did you know they spent $20 million in their roster? I didn't. And then it all just kind of came together and their schedule is soft and they took advantage of things and had some great wins. Like, all those things were amazing. So when you have, you know, most of these teams have at least half of their roster brand new, and some of them have a strong portion of them that came in after the spring game, and we're doing away with some spring games. So they've never played together. They've never played for you. Some of them didn't play where they were previously. They just talented guys that you think can be good. And you're going to make predictions for a team and a conference and a country like it doesn't work. I actually think your mark nailed it, especially the second part of his, his remarks. Nobody knows what they have and anybody who tells you they know lying because they may like what they have, but you don't. There's no context to it. You don't know the level of competition. You're like, wow, we spent about this, they spent about that. They should have more. But who knows, you know, there's, it's not 100% hit rate. Just isn't, just isn't. So what the Big 12 did for me is groundbreaking. I know it doesn't feel good. We all love predictions, but the fact is you're predicting about something you have zero clue, actually about zero. I will ask Josh Pate about it, of course. He's a college football insider, the Josh Pate College Football Show. He joins us next hour. I'm sure he's got predictions and things he knows, but the reality is nobody really knows. Although, you know, I think people want to see Caleb DeBoer year two, what that looks like, what's it look like for, for Penn State? This should be a year where James Franklin, can he actually beat a ranked team? So we got Josh Bate next hour. Coming up next, the big day is finally here. Shador Sanders will make his debut as a Cleveland Brown as the starting quarterback. Will he be legendary? We'll discuss next in the herd at Hill's Pet Nutrition. 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You got a hoodie on. Take it off.

[Manny]

I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devin and we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no such thing where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming at me? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, Go off on me. I deserve it, you know.

[Devin]

Lock him up.

[Manny]

Listen to no such on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Devin]

No such thing.

[Katie Couric]

Hey, everyone, it's me, Katie Couric. Did you know that I recently joined Substack? Very exciting. It's where I'll be sharing my unfiltered conversations with the people everyone's talking about. I'll also tell you what I'm reading, what I'm watching, what's making me crazy, and what's giving me hope. If you like deep dives, hot takes, and real talk, you're in the right place. Search Katie Couric on Substack and hit subscribe. I'll be there, reporting live, most likely in my pajamas. See you there.

[Noah]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast.

[Devin]

Documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.

[Manny]

San Diego coming to MLS is gonna be a game changer because this region has been hungry for men's professional soccer team.

[Devin]

We need to embrace this community. Listen to San Diego FC behind the.

[Noah]

Flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Noah de Barrasso]

This is an iHeart podcast.