THE HERD - Hour 1 - Michigan fires their head coach after shocking news surfaces, Rich Paul may have been right about the Lakers

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: THE HERD – Hour 1 – Michigan fires their head coach after shocking news surfaces, Rich Paul may have been right about the Lakers
Date: December 11, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Guests: Bruce Feldman, J. Mac

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Overview

This episode of The Herd is packed with reactions to major breaking sports news: Michigan football’s head coach Sharon Moore has been fired following a personal scandal, and there’s deep analysis on why the Lakers’ struggles prove that agent Rich Paul’s concerns were well-founded. The show also touches on several other high-stakes sports stories, including the Kansas City Chiefs’ regression, Dallas Cowboys’ playoff hopes, college quarterback prospects, and a provocative look at NBA dynasties – with a special focus on the Oklahoma City Thunder.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Michigan Fires Head Coach Sharon Moore (03:42–12:00, 48:50–56:33)

The Firing and Michigan's Standards

• Colin Cowherd opens the show reacting to the surprise firing of Michigan head coach Sharon Moore.
  • “There are certain jobs in America you need an elevated sense of character, both personally and professionally.” (04:09)
  • Emphasizes Michigan football as one of America’s “great public institutions” with the highest standards, comparing it to coaching at Duke or Carolina in basketball.
  • Sharon Moore never felt like the right long-term fit: “He always felt like an interim coach. I just didn’t think he was that good of a coach... he didn’t have his own identity.” (05:01)

Timing, Search Process & University Resilience

• Colin notes reports that Michigan may have known about Moore’s issues but waited until after signing day for action:
  • “When you’re talking about internal affairs, you can’t go on hearsay or rumor. You have to have admission and proof... you can get sued really quickly.” (06:13)
• Stresses Michigan still has loads of time to recruit a top replacement, with the transfer portal not opening until January.

On Replacing Icons

• “The greater the employee you’re asked to replace… the wider the search has to be.” (05:26)
• Urges Michigan to pursue top-tier candidates (Kalyn DeBoer, Mike Vrabel) instead of just promoting internally.

Personal Reflections on Moore

• Suggests that Moore’s personal life may have unraveled due to job pressure: “Sadly, his personal life, maybe due to the pressure, completely unravels. I wish him the best. Michigan will get a great coach.” (07:20)

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Bruce Feldman Interview: Insider Perspective on Michigan’s Firing

(48:50–56:33)

• On Timing and Cause:

  • “It was sudden in regard to what they could prove to fire him... there were rumors for at least a month, if not longer.” (48:50–49:11)
  • “I think Michigan got more information that was really damning that they could act on.” (49:18)

• On Moore as a Coach:

  • “He’d made questionable hires the last few years on the offensive side of the ball. No question, they were terrible on offense last year... underwhelming on offense this year with some young talent.” (50:44–50:58)

• Job Quality and Candidate Search:

  • “It’s the bluest of blue, blue blood jobs... Jim Harbaugh won a national title... lots of pieces to work with. Absent of this, there were concerns about Moore even before.” (50:19)
  • “Kalyn DeBoer is a name that could make a lot of sense for Michigan.” (51:23)

• Why Michigan Gave Moore the Job:

  • “I think they were hoping for continuity... players responded to him... probably also hoping he would keep more of the staff... but maybe this guy’s not ready for this job.” (52:53–54:02)

• On Jesse Minter’s Candidacy:

  • “He’s this close away from NFL head coaching jobs... if you’re really close to getting an NFL head job, why would you jump back into [college football]?” (54:10)

• Jed Fisch as another candidate and timeline:

  • “Jed Fisch might make a lot of sense. He worked under Harbaugh... did an amazing job at Arizona and now Washington…” (54:52)
  • “They’ll try to have as best stability as they can, then kick the tires on DeBoer and Fisch and see what else happens from there.” (56:17)

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2. The Lakers’ Defensive Woes & “Rich Paul Was Right” (08:01–12:32)

• Colin revisits Rich Paul’s controversial statement that the Lakers are not built to win a championship and finds it validated:
  • “Rich Paul was right… The Lakers are not built to win a championship. They’re just not good enough, especially on defense.” (08:06)
  • Goes through San Antonio’s easy victory against the Lakers, even without 7’4” Wembanyama, highlighting Lakers’ poor defense:
    • “Spurs players who were guarded by Austin Reeves shot an outrageous 63.5%. Oh wait, that’s what the Timberwolves did…the Lakers are bad defensively.” (10:28)
  • Colin criticizes roster construction and notes the path forward:
    • “The future of this organization is two guys: Luka number one, JJ Redick number two. Everybody else is available.” (11:10)
• JJ Redick’s honest assessment (12:06):
  • “We gotta ask a little bit more of everybody. We don’t crash, can’t force a lot of turnovers. If a team shoots well, we’re really in trouble.” – JJ Redick (12:06)
• Colin’s takeaway:
  • “J.J. Redick is telling you the truth, whether you want to believe it or not.” (12:32)

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3. Kansas City Chiefs: Not Just Retooling, But Rebuilding? (18:53–25:24)

• Colin addresses the narrative around the Chiefs’ “retool”:
  • “Kansas City has gone from, ‘we don’t really need wide receivers, Kelsey and Mahomes will figure it out,’ to, ‘we may finish sub-.500’…the kitchen needs work. So does the roof and a couple of bathrooms. It’s not just a tile job.” (22:09)
• Mahomes on missing postseason (23:26):
  • “We’re in unprecedented territory, a place that we haven’t been since I’ve been here. So why not give ourselves a chance to do that, and we have to start by winning football games.” – Patrick Mahomes (23:26)

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4. Around the NFL: News with J. Mac and Colin

Dallas Cowboys Playoff Push (25:29–27:18)

• J. Mac notes: “29 points per game, highest ever by a Cowboys [head] coach.” (25:29)
• Colin: “You can’t sit up here and talk about winning world championships…if you don’t make the playoffs…” (25:54)

Patriots vs. Bills – Changing of the Guard? (27:24–30:48)

• J. Mac: “It feels like this is maybe the changing of the guard in the division.” (28:09)
• Colin: “If New England wins, Sean McDermott…has to look in the mirror on the GM and the coach…in a quarterback league, you can’t finish second to Drake May…” (28:23)

Caleb Williams vs. Myles Garrett and the Browns (30:48–33:39)

• Colin appreciates Williams’ composure at the podium:
  • “Caleb Williams is excellent at the podium. Always says the right thing. Very smart, very measured.” (31:43)
• On his NFL comp: “Caleb’s comp is Josh Allen. He may not get there, but there’s no ceiling on Caleb Williams. Arm, movement, toughness, durability... it’s Josh Allen.” (33:21)

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5. NBA Dynasties & Oklahoma City Thunder: The “Boring Dynasty”?

(34:02–41:52)

• Colin lauds the Oklahoma City Thunder’s ascendance, calling them “analytically the best team ever.”
  • “They are easily the best defensive team that’s ever been formed in the NBA. Analytically... SGA is so... oh yeah, they have three first round picks this year.” (34:17)
• He pushes back on anti-dynasty sentiments:
  • “I don’t get the anti dynasty crowd. You can create one with a smart GM (OKC), international scouting (San Antonio), recruiting (Miami’s Pat Riley), or market and money (LA and the Dodgers).” (35:09)
• “Oklahoma City has a chance to win five of the next six. They are stacked... their GM is brilliant. The coach is excellent. The depth is insane. The best defensive team ever — it’s a dynasty, it’s just a boring one. So stop being paralyzed by it. Let players be players.” (39:36)
• J. Mac tags in: “Give me super teams or give me death. The problem with OKC is... they’re boring. What happens if they’re Spurs 2.0?” (40:54)
• Colin pushes for embracing greatness in sports, via whatever route:
  • “Some do it with a GM, some with Pat Riley, some with LA’s vibe, some like the Dodgers with money.” (41:09)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Colin on job standards:
  • “Certain jobs in America you need an elevated sense of character… Michigan football is not only a college football job, it’s one of America’s great public institutions.” (04:09)
• Colin on Sharon Moore:
  • “He always felt like an interim coach… didn’t have his own identity… didn’t meet the standard.” (05:01)
• Colin on replacing icons:
  • “The greater the employee you’re asked to replace Jim Harbaugh, the wider the search has to be.” (05:26)
• JJ Redick on Lakers’ struggles:
  • “The things that help you win on the margins, we’re just not very good at right now… we don’t crash… we can’t force a lot of turnovers. And if a team shoots well, we’re going to be really in trouble.” (12:06)
• Colin on OKC:
  • “Oklahoma City has a chance to win five of the next six. They are stacked... Their players are all young... It’s a dynasty — it’s just a boring one.” (39:36)
• Bruce Feldman on Michigan firing:
  • “I think Michigan got more information that was really damning that they could act on—and I think that was it from that point, from a sense of, they can fire him for cause, for now, for this. But yeah, it's a really sad story.” (49:18)
• Bruce Feldman on job quality:
  • “It’s the bluest of blue, blue blood jobs.” (50:19)
• Colin comparing Caleb Williams:
  • “Caleb’s comp is Josh Allen. He may not get there but there’s no ceiling on Caleb Williams.” (33:21)
• J. Mac’s NBA take:
  • “Give me super teams or give me death. The problem with OKC is... they’re boring.” (40:54)

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Segment Timestamps

• Michigan's Firing of Sharon Moore: 03:42–12:00; Bruce Feldman Interview 48:50–56:33
• Lakers, Rich Paul & Defensive Issues: 08:01–12:32
• Chiefs’ Future & Mahomes Soundbite: 18:53–25:24
• Cowboys & NFL Playoff Discussion: 25:29–27:18
• Patriots-Bills, Drake Maye: 27:24–30:48
• Caleb Williams / Browns Preview: 30:48–33:39
• OKC Thunder & NBA Dynasties: 34:02–41:52

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TLDR

• Michigan Football: Sharon Moore fired after a scandal, with replacement search open and program’s strength undiminished.
• Lakers: Rich Paul’s skepticism about title contention is validated by defensive failures; Austin Reeves and aging LeBron are not a contender’s core.
• Chiefs: Colin argues the team needs more than just “retooling”—the roster is aging and flawed.
• Oklahoma City Thunder: Colin calls them “analytically the best team ever”; champions the virtue of sports dynasties, even if OKC is “boring.”
• NFL Hot Topics: Insightful discussion on Cowboys, Patriots, and college quarterback stars.

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Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Richard Sherman]

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[Colin Cowherd]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, do we have a great Thursday show for you. We are live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be watching or listening, whatever platform device it is, thanks for making us part of your day. Two hours from now, Tom Brady shows up live. An hour from now, Greg Cosell in the house. Bruce Feldman's gonna check in with us as well. A very active, very troubling dark day. Michigan's looking for a new football coach. And let's start there. Sharon Amore has been fired. So, you know, there's two or three elements to this. Number one is there are certain jobs and maybe it's maybe it's 30 or 40% of jobs in America. Maybe it's more. It's not every job, but certain jobs in America you need an elevated sense of character both personally and professionally. You know, school president, you hope, the church, college campus jobs. There are certain jobs where you have to have a seriousness about you and a maturity about you so you can meet the job, you can meet the program, meet the standard. Michigan football is not only a college football job, it's one of America's great public institutions. When I was a kid growing up, to me, Michigan football, this is way pre Brady, I I thought it was the best program in America. Like I the fight song, the crowd, the games. Michigan football to me as A kid, even through college, like, that was the job. A great university, wonderful fans, and. And Sharon Moore. To me, I'll be honest with you, he always felt like an interim coach. I just didn't think he was that good of a coach. Right. Like. Like, even at his opening presser, he kind of used a Harbaugh quote. He didn't have his own identity. Again, I didn't think he was that great of a coach. But he was close to Jim Harbaugh. And my rule has never changed in 30 years in this business. I have a rule in sports and in any business, the greater the employee you're asked to replace Jim Harbaugh, the wider the search has to be. You can't just hand it to a staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harbaugh. Remember when Bill Belichick left, who they handed to Belichick's favorite assistant, Gerard Mayo? Disaster. Then they went, and this is what Michigan should do. Then they went and got Mike Vrabel. And Michigan needs to go after, like, a Kalyn DeBoer. Don't know if he'd leave, but that's the kind of guy I would go after. So listen, most vice presidents. Vice presidents have ceilings, and that's vice President Sharon Moore. Could be a really, really good coordinator. Maybe head coach at Michigan. Yeah, that's a big job. That is a top five job in America. It's like basketball coach at Carolina or Duke. And there's just a certain standard, and he didn't meet it. Secondly, there are reports that Michigan knew about this for some time, but, you know, they didn't want to get in the way of signing day. Well, timeout. When you're talking about, like, internal affairs, you can't go on hearsay or rumor. You have to have admission and proof. Okay? That's why we have HR departments. You can't go on, hey, this guy in the Internet nailed it. You can get sued really quickly if you make an assertion or an accusation and you don't have an admission or absolute inarguable proof. Third is, it's December 11th. The bulls haven't started college football playoffs a week away. Michigan's got all sorts of time. The transfer portal. Now, the portal doesn't even open till January. It used to be December. So Michigan's gonna get a great coach. They paid 10 million for their quarterback. They're gonna get a really, really good coach. But to me, this is a cautionary tale of a man who probably wasn't the best candidate available. In fact, he wasn't getting an incredibly esteemed job and sadly his personal life, maybe due to the pressure, completely unravels. I wish him the best. Michigan will get a great coach. The portal opens up in January. The university will be fine. You hope the people will be involved. We'll have Bruce FELDMAN ON In 40 minutes. So earlier this week J. Mac and I went back and forth and I said Rich Paul was right. Even if he said something that was uncomfortable, which is, you know, the Lakers are not built to win a championship. They're just not good enough, especially on defense. So last night the Lakers hosted a really good team, probably capable of winning the championship, San Antonio. And they hosted him in la. And let's just say we should have a new segment on the show where Rich Paul was right. The spurs didn't even have 7 foot 4 WEMBY and they did whatever they wanted. Offensively, 50% field goals, 45% threes, 50 total rebounds, almost 50 points in the paint. That's without 74 WEMBY. So this is shaking out as Rich Paul predicted. And I have been saying since the start of the season, even when LeBron comes back, the Lakers are bad defensively. Since LeBron returned, they're 26. Defensively, they don't do anything right. Defend the rim, defend the perimeter, defend the point. So this is a team and roster with holes. And what happened last night? What did the spurs attack? Oh, gritty Austin Reeves. Spurs players who were guarded by Austin reeves shot an outrageous 63 and a half percent. Oh wait, that's what the Timberwolves did in the playoffs. Attacked Austin Reeves, a really good player offensively, works his butt off. Cool story, gritty kid. But 40 year old LeBron, gritty Austin Reaves, a marginally interested defender in Luca is not a Western Conference finals team in the West. They're a fun team. I love watching them. I mean the crowds go to a Laker game. It's a cool crowd, it's fun, there's a lot of points. Unfortunately good teams, but will score more and hopefully this is why it's so encouraging. If you're a Laker fan, the owners of the Lakers who have moved off, Cody Bellinger, Trey Turner, Manny Machado, Corey Seeger, great players, but they go after Mookie and Freddy Freeman and Otani. The standard for the Dodgers isn't keeping a very, very excellent player like Corey Seager. It's getting Shohei Ohtani, Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts. Everybody loves gritty Austin Reeves and 40 year old LeBron. The future of this organization two guys. Luka number one, JJ Redick number two. Everybody else is available to move. The spurs did last night what the T Wolves did last year. Go after Austin Reeves. That's exactly what they did without Wemby. They got every look they wanted to. Go ahead, be a fanboy, be an influencer, take cool pics. The difference between the bus family and the current owners is a standard. Corey Seager is replaceable. Ohtani isn't right. Trey Turner's a good player. Freddie Freeman's a Hall of Famer. Austin Reeves is a good player. I'd movement five minutes if I could sniff Giannis. Okay? It's not even a. It's not a discussion. You wear your team jerseys, you take your pictures. JJ Redick knows when they play the top teams and the great athletes in the West. Here's JJ Redick with some true serum.

[Bruce Feldman]

The things that help you win on the margins, we're just not very good at right now. And, you know, we. We gotta ask a little bit more of everybody. You know, we. We don't. We don't crash. You know, we can't. Can't force a lot of turnovers. And if a team shoots well, we're. We're gonna be really in trouble.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's telling you what Rich Paul's telling you what Uncle Colin's telling you. They can't defend. It's not what they are. They have three players that duplicate each other. Luca LeBron and Austin Reeves are really, really good. I mean, LeBron's 41. He's dunking at the rack. Austin Reeves is going to get his points. Luka's better than both easily. But there's too much duplication. They've got to get bigger to protect the rim. They've got to get stronger on the perimeter. Defensively. I mean, J.J. redick's telling you, you know, teams hit shots, there's nothing we can do because teams are going to get shots. On the Lakers, J.J. redick is telling you the truth, whether you want to believe it or not. All right, so Bruce Feldman is going to be joining us in 30 minutes now on the Michigan situation. Again, it's early. The playoffs haven't started. The Bulls, this is where the Nil is very valuable. And the portal, they've pushed it back to January, meaning if recruits leave at Michigan, you can replace them. Remember, Michigan and Notre Dame have two of the top 10 endowments in the country. These are very wealthy schools. This is why the Big Ten, in my opinion, now that Indiana is a powerhouse, while the Big Ten has closed the gap on the sec. Richer endowments, richer schools, richer graduates, bigger schools. Flushing out graduates across the country to great jobs. They come back, write checks. Michigan's going to be fine. I'll root for the person, Sharon Moore. But the Wolverines, since I was a kid, have always figured it out eventually. Good stuff. Tom Brady joining us. Greg Cosell today as well. Man, we got a lot of stuff today to talk about. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Pay attention. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb, Kavino and Rich the Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washing, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Maller Show. Fox sports radio on YouTube. Subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.

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That we haven't been since I've been here.

[Colin Cowherd]

And so I think you lean on.

[Richard Sherman]

The guys that have kind of battled through adversity and came out better on the other side.

[Colin Cowherd]

And so when I look at it.

[Richard Sherman]

Now, it's like, I mean, I don't know what the percentages are, but I know they're not high. And I think it'd be special if.

[Colin Cowherd]

We get into the playoffs and we can make a run. So why not give ourselves a chance to do that? And we have to start by winning football games for the record. 2018-2022, before the big Mahomes deal felt like it kicked in, this team averaged 30 points a game the last three years. They're averaging a touchdown less a game. Name the Chiefs top 10 players right now. And I'm not talking on resume, resume or legacy. I'm not talking about Travis Kelsey just because he has a great legacy. I'm saying name their top 10 players. Chris Jones is not a top 10 D lineman right now, and he's one of them. And he's near the top. Name their top 10 player. Now. Go name the Rams, the Lions, the Eagles top 10 players. Hell, go name the Houston Texans top 10 players. Name Seattle's top 10 players. Name the Chiefs. Mahomes is one. It's a lot of Trent McDuffie's two. You get to about five and you're like, well, he's overpaid. Well, he's old. He's going to retire. I'm telling you, this idea that, well, I've got reed and Mahomes. GMs matter a lot. They have got to ace this draft. They have got a hit on four or five players. Brett Veach is great. He can do it. But this idea. Well, we're just gonna fix the guest room, put some tile in the kitchen. Now. Kitchen needs a redo. Roof's leaking. Master bath to dump. Time to fix it. J. Mac with the news.

[Bruce Feldman]

No, no, no, turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herdline news.

[J. Mac]

Always besides me goes in on the Chiefs on this show. All right, let's get started. Kyle with the the Dallas Cowboys. Listen, it's been an up and down first year for Brian Schottenheimer's head coach. They are 6, 6 and 1. But I mean, goodness gracious, 29 points per game, highest ever by a Cowboys coach. Pretty impressive. Anyways, Dallas has a tough path to make the playoffs. And here's what Shotty says about that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Absolutely. But I don't think that's the only thing we're judged upon. But that's what we want. You can't sit up here and talk about winning world championships. And if you don't make the playoffs, you don't have a to win a world championship. So again, winning is the number one objective. After that, it's building the culture. Minnesota is our focus. Minnesota is my focus. But you know, like I said, at the end of the day, we're going to be judged on wins and losses. And so let's start by getting the first one in the fourth quarter against Minnesota. Do like Dallas this week.

[J. Mac]

Oh, do you?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think. I think they're in a testy mood after being humiliated. Those standalone games, when your defense gives up 44 points, what do you bet you get a spirited defensive effort from the Cowboys this week? Okay.

[J. Mac]

I mean, we expected that last week against the Lions. Well, it's Lions up and down the field.

[Colin Cowherd]

Lions have a little better quarterback. O line.

[J. Mac]

Definitely a better quarterback. Vikings O line is rounding in a form a little healthier. Shut out Washington last week.

[Colin Cowherd]

Just saying Dallas is better than what they showed Thursday night.

[J. Mac]

Defensively, this will be a good one for J.J. mcCarthy. So he struggled against good defense. Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

You can't run on Dallas. Not gonna run on.

[J. Mac]

I really think they need to. Justin Jefferson chirping. This is shaping up as a big JJ game. You got him in fantasy stardom. Big game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are you really selling that to the public.

[J. Mac]

I. I honestly think Vikings could win this outright.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. All right.

[J. Mac]

Is CD Lamb gonna play, by the way? They're gonna rush him back from a concussion to try to get in the playoffs.

[Colin Cowherd]

Won't matter. Wow.

[J. Mac]

Okay. All right, here we go. Let's move on to the game of the weekend, probably. Patriots, Bills. This is a big one. Josh Allen heads to Foxborough. Listen, Buffalo has dominated the division over the last five years, but maybe things have turned around. Mike Vrabel and company, they got a two game lead with four left. And Drake May, he knows what's at stake here.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, we are chasing them. They've had a bullseye on their back for, you know, really since they probably took it over the first year. You want to be division champs? You know, coach said like at the beginning of the year, this is a great opportunity for us to go win the division and, you know, rack up the AFC East. So we know it's gonna be tough and we got a great team coming in here and be cool to do it on our own turf. Yeah. Game of the week is Detroit and the Rams. That's.

[J. Mac]

That's a good one. Yeah. I mean, this just. It feels like this is maybe the changing of the guard in the Division.

[Colin Cowherd]

I. Oh, I think. Absolutely. And I got. If you like the Patriots, I'll ask the question. You own the Buffalo Bills. Year one of Mike Vrabel and Drake May together.

[J. Mac]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

They beat the best quarterback in the league. Your place in their place. If New England wins. Sean McDermott. Ownership has to look in the mirror on the GM and the coach. I don't think they're bad. I think they're capable.

[Bruce Feldman]

Well.

[Colin Cowherd]

But the best football player in the world, at the world is your quarterback. You can't finish second in a quarterback league to Young, Drake May, who is now. He hasn't entered his prime yet.

[J. Mac]

Ok? So just pump the brakes. So that was a great win over Buffalo, undeniably. Buffalo, I believe, had three turnovers, like 12 penalties. They were a mess. Do you want me to rattle off some of the other quarterbacks that Vrabel has beaten this year?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, sure. Go ahead.

[Bruce Feldman]

You ready?

[J. Mac]

So they beat tua, you know, which does.

[Colin Cowherd]

Come on.

[J. Mac]

They beat Bryce Young.

[Colin Cowherd]

Bryce Young's gonna make the playoffs.

[J. Mac]

Oh, stop it. They beat. I don't even know if it was Spencer Rattler or Tyler Schuck. But bottom line, New Orleans, Cam Ward, whoever was, I think Dylan Gabriel, Michael Penix or the back bottom, didn't beat anybody outside of Josh Allen. No. Good wins zero, Colin. And they did lose to Geno Smith at the season opener. I'm just saying, we talked yesterday. 32nd ranked schedule. They have played nobody. All right, you want to go head to head on this one for like a case of, can we mention alcoholic beverages? I got bills.

[Colin Cowherd]

I hear this a lot. I hear this from fans, love. Well, who did they beat? It's not college, it's pro football. Who did they beat? A pro football team. Okay, now do I think the jets are great? No. But the jets before last week had like a four game stretch where they played really good football. These are pro athletes. They were all, all Americans in college. You start, you, you're, you're winning 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 games. You're doing special teams for them. Are great, coach is great. In fact, the weakness, the reason I think this line is favoring Buffalo. The one thing Buffalo defensively really struggles is stopping the run. New England's not a very good running team.

[J. Mac]

Well, their offensive lines. But again, we're talking about a team with a 10 game win streak playing at home off a bye and they're underdogs.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[J. Mac]

That should tell you that the better team is Buffalo. I know New England beat him, but the better team is Buffalo here. Yeah, I think the Bills went out right. Colin, you got Patriots.

[Colin Cowherd]

I do.

[J. Mac]

Okay, make it interesting. Final story is our contractual obligation to Chicago. Caleb Williams big showdown in the frigid temperatures at Soldier Field. I saw negative wind chill expected Sunday. He's going to be facing Miles Garrett and the Browns. Myles Garrett is two and a half sacks away from the NFL single season sack record. Now Caleb's done a good job of avoiding sacks this year. One of his big strengths with Ben Johnson and he talked about not wanting to be another tombstone in Garrett's quarterback graveyard.

[Colin Cowherd]

He has a, as the kids say, a deep bag of, you know, of tricks and whether it's his Euro step, his speed, his off the ball, you know, they'll put him at the linebacker area and let him just kind of do his thing. Obviously he's, he's right there at the.

[Bruce Feldman]

Sack record, almost there at the sack record.

[Colin Cowherd]

And so gonna try and make sure that he doesn't get the sack record on us and on me. For the record, I know this matters to me more than it does other people and maybe I'm wrong. Caleb Williams is excellent at the podium. Always says the right thing. Have you ever noticed this? Very smart, very measured. I told you the first thing I noticed about Dak years ago. I'm like he's good at the podium.

[J. Mac]

Well, listen, Caleb's 9 and 4. They're riding high. It's easy to be happy and great at the podium.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm just saying when you're in Chicago or Dallas or Philadelphia and these, these are hard. These are loud, large, well paid media people with a big point of view. He never starts a fire. He's always bringing down the temperature. Miles Garrett is great. There's no cocky nonsense. It just matters.

[J. Mac]

I like Caleb. He's had a great season. I was impressed against the Packers. Then I started to look into the numbers. Colin, he attempted 35 passes against Green Bay, 186 yards.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. Green Bay's defense is great and it was.

[J. Mac]

Cleveland has the number one run defense in the league. I know Tennessee shredded them last year.

[Colin Cowherd]

Not as good on the road.

[J. Mac]

That's also true. I'm if, if this is like a, I, I know you're lying on. Jalen hurts if he has to throw over 30 times.

[Colin Cowherd]

Not my line.

[J. Mac]

I think the same applies to Caleb Williams and the Bears.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, come on. Caleb's a much better pocket guy. I, I, Caleb's got a better arm. Caleb throws the ball over the middle. Much better. Caleb is an all time potential star.

[J. Mac]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jalen hurts second round quarterback who had to transfer in college.

[J. Mac]

Well, that, what does that have to do with the this NFL?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think there's limitations on what Jalen can do. I think Caleb's comp is Josh Allen. He may not get there, but there's no ceiling on Caleb Williams there. I mean arm movement, toughness, durability does is Josh Allen.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, that's, come on, really. I like Caleb. I think the potential is there. Colin, the numbers. It's year two so I'm not going to say one year with Ben Johnson. We're just ignoring the rookie year.

[Colin Cowherd]

To me it doesn't exist. It only exists on Google.

[J. Mac]

So to me the Notre Dame Miami season opener didn't exist.

[Colin Cowherd]

J Mag with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. So I feel strongly about this and I've talked about this, but not, not to this level. Oklahoma City last night crushed another team. I don't want to hear that. It's Phoenix. They're 24 1. Analytically their all time rank is number one. They're better than Katie and the Warriors. Shaq and Kobe better than the MJ Bulls. They are easily the best defensive team that's ever been formed in the NBA. Analytically and that's saying something because, because of the European pipeline. We've never had more skill offensively and yet they shut it down. MJ's Bulls often played teams. Did you worry about Oster Tag and T. Bailey hitting a 24 footer? This team is insane. The coach, the GM and if you look at their best players, most aren't in their prime yet. SGA is so oh yeah, they have three first round picks this year. Could win the lottery. They could have the number one pick. No egos. Nothing's getting away of this thing. And this is my point. This is where I d. I don't get the anti dynasty crowd. You do realize there's different ways to create a dynasty. One of them was Golden State had a very rich owner. He's like all pay the tax penalty. OKC is going to create one because their GM's the best. San Antonio did it with international scouting, right? Like they were the. They were ahead of everybody on international scouting. Miami did it because they convinced LeBron to come play with his buddy because they have the best GM at the time, the great recruiter Pat Riley. Everybody's always tax the rich. Is that going to buy you a house? Tax the rich. In 1989, the wealthiest Americans. The wealthiest Americans had $1.7 billion. Today they have 23 trillion. Excuse me, they had 1. 7 trillion to 23 trillion. It's gone up 13 times with seven different presidents. Republicans, conservatives, liberals, progressives, seven different presidents. Rich people have more money and a greater share of it than they've ever had. And baseball's never had a more fascinating dynasty. My point is the NBA is paralyzed by this. And part of baseball's growth is that they're not taxing the rich isn't buying you a house. And those people are more willful, driven, often smarter, aspirational. This idea, we're just going to pull everybody right to the middle. It doesn't work in sports. It used to be in college football you could have 125 scholarships offered. Then they kept reducing it and yet we had the greatest dynasty ever in Alabama. They kept reducing scholarships and it didn't do anything. The Bama dynasty was better than every previous dynasty. Oklahoma City has a chance to win five of the next six. They are stacked and they're doing it with a great GM who has manipulated other weaker GMs. And by the way, the new CBA in the NBA is more punitive to a dumb gm. Cuz if you make a mistake now as a front office guy, you're done. You can't buy your way out of it. And all the owners are billionaires. So this, this Oklahoma City, at least the Dodgers dynasty is interesting. I got nothing against Oklahoma City, but it's, it's, it's, it's depth. SGA is a great player. They didn't really want to talk much. Do you ever see their victory celebration after they won? I got more excited at 24 when I got a credit card. Barely cared. They're unemotional, small market, and it's not really a market thing, but we're all trying to smush everybody together. And the NBA has been paralyzed by this. Oh, we can't have dynasties. I don't know. I thought the Heatles were awesome. I love Jordan's Bulls. I was really into Katie and the Warriors. Seven years, seven teams. Baseball's like, hey, whatevs. I mean, Milwaukee's good, Seattle's good. So are the Cubs, the Dodgers, the Yankees. The Mets have money, they stink. The Padres have less. They're good. But this prime example is Oklahoma City. They are analytically the best team ever. And their players are all young. And this matters in the NBA, not a lot of ego. The GM is brilliant. The coach is excellent. The depth is insane. The best defensive team ever, sga, is a bucket. Holmgren, Jalen Williams, they go. They go nine deep and they're young. You're not going to break it up. And next year they have three first round picks. They can get the number one pick in a loaded draft. It's a dynasty. It's just a boring one. So stop being paralyzed by it. Let players be players. There's a million different ways to get rich in America. Keep taxing them. It's not going to buy me a house. I know. Some people are just smarter than me, more willful. Well, the deck is stacked. Well, then why is OKC winning? Why are they so. Folks, they're winning by 40, 30. I don't care how you get to a dynasty. The Lakers did it with Los Angeles players. I mean, they didn't come here because the taxes were beneficial. Players for years came to LA because they had the cool brand. Friend of mine was at the Laker game last night. He said everybody looks like they're on. Only fans or an influencer. I mean, that's the LA Laker crowd. It's not the Dodger crowd, but it's the Laker crowd. It's like everybody's going to a club. It's the cool place in the NBA. They attracted players on that. They didn't even know it was Pam the most. The Dodgers defer payments, but great players want to play with great players. So the Dodgers do it with money. But the Dodgers also don't miss on trades. They do it because analytically they're smarter than everybody. So this everybody in the NBA is like, oh, they're going to tank. Who cares? Just be interesting. We're in the interesting business. TikTok, Hulu streaming, IG. The market's all wide and you're worried about. We don't want a team to repeat. These guys can reel off four straight. Who cares? Get me Giannis to the Knicks. I mean get me Giannis to the Lakers. This whole thing worrying about tanking. This whole thing worrying about dynasties. Dynasties are good. Look at baseball's ratings the last two years. They're exploding.

[J. Mac]

You remember my line, give me super teams or give me death. Yes, I want super teams in the NBA. The problem with OKC is like you said, they're boring. Colin, what happens if they're the Spurs 2.0?

[Colin Cowherd]

They are.

[J. Mac]

That's not a good thing. Go look at what the league, what was going on in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think it's a good thing because in the end I root for greatness and Sam Presti is great and SGA is great and the coach is great and the fans are loyal. But I'm not anti dynasty. My take is there's a million ways to get rich in America and there's a million ways to form a dynasty. Some do it with gm, some do it with Pat Riley, some do it with LA's vibe, some do it Dodgers with money. George Steinbrenner. I was thought it was great for baseball.

[J. Mac]

Now we do need to remember OKC needed seven to take out Denver last year in the playoffs they needed seven to take out the Pacers and Halliburton got hurt. So I get it.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're a great regular young players now or a year better.

[J. Mac]

They're good. They're really, really good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Good. Bruce Feldman around the corner. Next, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Richard Sherman]

Me tell you about Ready or Not, the tactical first person shooter where you take command of a SWAT team and feel the weight of the badge. Recently, I reunited with my Legion of Boom teammates Cliff Averill, Cam Chancer, Michael Bennett and Walter Thurman. We partnered with Ready or Not to go through actual SWAT training and film the whole experience. Watch it now at the Richard Sherman Podcast YouTube channel. Here's what makes this game different. It's not just mindless run and Gun, just like the Legion of Boom built an elite defense on strategy and teamwork. Ready or not demands the same mentality. You're commanding a SWAT team, clearing rooms, protecting civilians, making tactical calls as a coordinated team with 18 missions that challenge you in completely different ways. Every operation demands that same discipline and and teamwork. Best part? Try it for free for a limited time on PlayStation and Xbox. Go solo or squad up with five players in full crossplay support. If you want strategic, high stakes action that rewards elite tactics and fast thinking, then this is the game for you. Try Ready or Not for free today on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X and S. What a matchup we got, y'. All. This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat. Everybody showing that school pride. Game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola.

[Bruce Feldman]

Ah.

[Richard Sherman]

Crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there. Yeah, that taste.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh.

[Richard Sherman]

Always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere. And in ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo no matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know what separates the pros from the rest? It's not just talent. It's how you respond when the game gets tough. You dig in, you fight back. And when it comes to your health, that same mindset matters. Yeah, especially if you or someone you care about is facing metastatic prostate cancer. There's a treatment called pluvicto lutetium Lou177 vapivotide tetraxitan. And it's changing the game. Plavicto isn't chemo. It's a different kind of treatment that targets PSMA positive cells, including prostate cancer cells. Plavicto can be used before chemotherapy for some people. Here's the official word. Pluvicto is a prescription treatment used to treat adults with prostate specific membrane antigen positive metastatic castration resistant prostate cancer or PSMA positive MCRPC who have already been treated with hormone therapy and are considered appropriate to delay chemotherapy. Now let's talk safety. Pluvicto involves contact with radioactivity, which may increase the risk for cancer and cause fetal harm. Drink plenty of fluids, urinate often, use contraception, and talk to your doctor about how to reduce the risk of exposing others to radiation during and after treatment. It can also cause low blood cell counts, kidney problems and infertility. Tell your doctor if you notice weakness, pale skin, shortness of breath, bleeding or bruising. More easily an infection or changes in urination. Side effects include decreased blood cell counts, tiredness, dry mouth, nausea, appetite loss, joint or back pain, and constipation. Look, every day matters. And if you're in the fight or know someone who is, this is a conversation worth having. Ask your doctor about Plavicto because just like in football, every play, every decision, every second counts. Visit pluvicto.com to learn more. That's P L-U-V-I C-T-O.com. bruce Feldman, been covering college football about 30 years now. A New York Times best selling author, writer at the Esteemed Athletic and Fox Sports college football reporter. We don't get you in in this early hour very much. This is a treat for us. I've said this. There are certain jobs, not all jobs certainly, but there are certain jobs that your seriousness and maturity have to match the job. Michigan football is on a short list of all college jobs as one of the most profound. An unbelievable university, a global university. There are people insinuating that Michigan knew about this for a long time. But you know, there was recruiting signing day. What does your sourcing tell you on when did this develop? When were there, I mean, was this sudden or not?

[Bruce Feldman]

I think it was sudden in regard to what they could prove to fire him. Yeah, I think there was, there was rumors of this for at least a month from, from my understanding, if not longer than that. And it wasn't, I feel like it was a poorly kept secret to be honest about this inappropriate relationship. But from our reporting at the Athletic in the last, you know, 36 hours or so, I think Michigan got, got more information that was really damning that they could act on and I think that was, you know, that was it from that point, from a sense of they can fire him from. For cause, for now, for this. But yeah, it's a really sad story. And the more the fallout of how it sounds like Sharon Moore has handled this in the last day or so is really disturbing.

[Colin Cowherd]

He wasn't, he was a pretty good recruiter, although in nil generally the check is the recruiter. So Underwood's a remarkable talent, but there's $10 million which is double what the coach was making. That's the world we live in. It's a great job. Some would insinuate because of the timing, although the portal doesn't open till January now because of the timing, they're going to miss out on like top coaches. But I watched Penn State get an excellent young coach, Matt Campbell, and that was a bigger mess in terms of, I mean, recruiting. This is still a top five job, is it? Even with this story, right?

[Bruce Feldman]

It's the bluest of blue, blue blood jobs. Jim Harbaugh won a national title, as we know, just a couple of years ago. And there's a lot of good young talents, starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a top, you know, one of the top running backs in the country. There's a lot of pieces to work with. You know, absent of this, I think there were some concerns about Sharon Moore as a head coach going, you know, going into, into all of this.

[Richard Sherman]

Right.

[Bruce Feldman]

You know, he'd made questionable hires the last few, you know, the last few years on the offensive side of the ball. No question, they were terrible on offense last year. They were really underwhelming on offense this year with some young talent. And I think this was going to be a big off season to see where it was going to go. Now I think it's flipped. You know, I would say this. If Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably would have been a really good candidate for this job. I don't know what they missed out on. You're Michigan. You're not going to h. Kiffin anyway. You know, like, I think the guys that you're looking at now, we'll see what the timing is going to be like. Kalyn DeBoer is a name that could make a lot of sense for Michigan.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, that to me is number one. Right.

[Bruce Feldman]

You got a guy who he was not from. From everything I was told from sources closer to bore a factor in the Penn State search. And everything I've heard is he likes it in Tuscaloosa. He and his family do, but, you know, they sputtered down the stretch. They barely got into the playoff. If they lose next week in the opening round at Oklahoma, nil money, they.

[Colin Cowherd]

Don'T, they don't meet the top of the.

[Bruce Feldman]

Well, I wouldn't, I, I would hold off on that piece of it because they just signed a really, really good recruiting class at Alabama. So I, I don't think it's like, oh, I can get more for this. I think. Really, Colin, I think it's comes down to this. If they get knocked out early in the playoff, there's going to be immense pressure mounting on Kalyn DeBoer there. I'm not saying he's going to definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise me. You looked at and go, you know what? That might be a better fit for me now, you know, if, like, if people are again and that's if he loses. Now, look, we were in a weird situation last year with Ryan Day around this time of year where people were writing him off and he ended up winning a national title. If somehow Alabama goes on a little run, I think that builds him up some equity and then maybe he's not a candidate for Michigan.

[Colin Cowherd]

So my theory has always been the greater the icon you replace, the wider the the net has to be to replace him. Saban leaves. Kaylin DeBoer is about as good as you're going to get, Harbaugh leaves, we have somebody that never been a head coach. Why did they go with proximity over resume?

[Bruce Feldman]

I think there was some pressure there where they looked at it and said, you know, we had seen him be a head coach because Harbaugh got suspended for a couple, you know, he's the head coach at the Penn State game. And players responded to him. And I think they were hoping for continuity. Quite honestly, I think there were also hoping that he would be able to keep more of the staff that ended up coming out here to Los Angeles with Harbaugh, you know, had probably the best strength coach in the country in college football. That's a big thing. Ben Herbert. Ben Herbert decided to go with Harbaugh and leave. I think Michigan folks thought he was going to stay in Ann Arbor with Sharon. And I think that, you know, look, they could see a small window of what he was, what he would be as a head coach. But again, this guy was the offensive line coach, right? And Harbaugh is such a big presence around the team. You know, I think there was maybe some warning signs that they'd look back on now and say, all right, maybe this guy's not ready for this job. As you said, this is a different job than, let's say he got to be the head coach at Purdue, where he got to be the head coach at Kansas State. This is Michigan. You know, it's like Notre Dame. There's very few schools that I think fit in this, in this realm.

[Colin Cowherd]

And let me, let me throw out Jesse Minter, Chargers defensive coordinator, defense, second in the country. Will he be a candidate?

[Bruce Feldman]

I don't know on that, because Jesse Mentor still has for at least the time being a show. Cause with the ncaa. The other thing is Jesse Mentor is like this close away from interviewing for NFL head coaching jobs. Somebody I talked to yesterday who's close to both Jesse minter and Mike McDonald, was the Seahawks coach who used to be at Michigan, was like, I don't think those guys want to come back to Michigan or come back to this world of college football where you constantly have free agency every year with all your players. That's not how it is in the NFL. You know, that's not a. I, you know, if you're Jesse Mincher and you're really close to getting an NFL head coaching job, why would you jump back into this?

[Colin Cowherd]

So if, if, if Kaylin DeBoer isn't landed Jed Fish at Washington, maybe Jed.

[Bruce Feldman]

Fish might make some sense. He. He worked at Michigan under Jim Harbaugh, he just done an amate, did an amazing job at Arizona. They were hard, horrible, and then he got them to be number 11 in the country in year three. And he's done a pretty good job at, at, at Washington. Coach, offensive coach. I think if you, you know, you got to remember Kalyn DeBoer, really good offensive system. Jed Fish, really, really good offensive coach. If you were trying to say to Bryce Underwood, hey, stick around, those guys might make a lot of sense. And again, I think Jed Fish knows, you know, he was in Michigan. He still has some ties to folks inside the Michigan family. I think he would make a lot of sense for a lot of people.

[Colin Cowherd]

45 seconds. Marcus Freeman, NFL offers potentially. I think he stays to you.

[Bruce Feldman]

I think he stays. I heard the Giants had some interest early on. I heard he wasn't that interested in that or wasn't interested in that. I think he knows he's got a good situation. Obviously Notre Dame's had a lot of fireworks in the last 72 hours, but you know, the NFL is always going to be there for him.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think he's a great recruiter. To me, he's sort of the gold standard of what you want with a young coach.

[Bruce Feldman]

Yeah, he's a CEO guy who has a ton of presence and charisma and I think he's grown from the job. He's taken what he learned from Jim Trestle and guys he's learned along the way. And I think he's done a really good job. I mean, you know, if I was a Notre Dame fan, I would hate to see him go.

[Colin Cowherd]

15 seconds. Timeline for Michigan hiring a new coach.

[Bruce Feldman]

You know, they have Biff Poggy right now as the interim. They're going to play Texas in a bowl game at the end of this month. I feel like they're going to try to have as best stability as they can. And then I think they see they kick the tires on deboer and Fish and see what else happens from there.

[Colin Cowherd]

Bruce Feldman, what a good job. The Athletic Follow his stuff. Read the Athletic and others. Tom Brady, Greg Cosell around the corner.

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