THE HERD - Hour 1 - No Patience for JJ McCarthy, Jim Harbaugh Might Be The GOAT

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 1 (Sept 17, 2025)

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Colin Cowherd and Jason McIntyre discuss why patience is running thin for Vikings rookie quarterback J.J. McCarthy, examine Jim Harbaugh’s legacy and transformative impact as potentially the greatest football coach ever, reflect on Baker Mayfield’s surprising resurgence in Tampa, and debate issues facing the Chicago Bears, Patrick Mahomes’ “GOAT” status, and Dabo Swinney’s unwillingness to embrace college football's new world. They also consider turbulence and adversity as key to quarterback development, focusing on rising and struggling prospects.

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1. No Patience for J.J. McCarthy (03:03–08:03)

• Colin pushes back on the notion that NFL teams, especially playoff-caliber ones like the Vikings, should “be patient” with young quarterbacks.

  • The team’s situation (expensive talent, good roster, high fan expectations, potential loss of key staff) makes the window short for success.
  • McCarthy’s pedigree (three years under Jim Harbaugh, two under Kevin O’Connell) means he’s had world-class coaching; he cannot be allowed a long runway.

• Key Quote:

  • “JJ McCarthy does not get to pee on the carpet. He's got to be good in the next seven, eight weeks. I got to see something. And if you look at seven of his eight quarters, they've been terrible.” —Colin Cowherd (07:26)

• Broader Point: Patience is reserved for “parenting, or gardening, or potty training a puppy”—not for billion-dollar franchises in competitive divisions where owners and GMs are responsive to public and media pressure.

• Comparison: Contrasts veteran situations like Jared Goff (proven player, earned patience) with rookies or struggling young QBs like McCarthy and Bryce Young.

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2. Is Jim Harbaugh the GOAT Coach? (08:03–13:00)

• Colin argues Harbaugh may be the greatest overall football coach, considering combined college and NFL resumes.

  • Five “turnarounds” (San Diego, Stanford, 49ers, Michigan, Chargers): successful everywhere, never failed, not tied to a single player or “system.”
  • “When Jim Harbaugh leaves you don’t lose a coach, you lose the soul of the franchise.”
  • College legends like Saban and Urban Meyer failed in the NFL.
  • His unique authenticity, relentlessness, and obsession with football create “Bar Rescue to Michelin Star” transformations.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “He’s taken over five messes. They're all very good by year two, some by year one. ... When he leaves, … there is a noticeable drop off overnight.” —Colin (09:51)
  • “Harbaugh takes stuff and one day it's bar rescue, and the next day it's Michelin star.” —Colin (10:50)

• Supporting Example: Justin Herbert’s leap under Harbaugh after stagnating in the previous coaching regime.

• Personality Factor: Eric Mangini describes Harbaugh as unlike anyone he's worked with—more than X’s and O’s, it’s a relentless, obsessive culture change.

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3. Baker Mayfield: The Gunslinger Reborn (13:00–21:00)

• Baker Mayfield’s Career Arc: Colin and J-Mac discuss Baker’s transformation from a “flammable” presence in Cleveland to a rejuvenated “gunslinger” in Tampa—now legitimately a top-10 QB.

  • Stats: Leads league in “interception-worthy throws” but that reflects his bold style—"a lot of Favre."
  • Fit: His style and personality match the “sleepy, well-run, not flammable” Buccaneers organization.
  • Contrast: The Browns were “flammable”—guaranteed massive contracts, draft odd fits, and churn through quarterbacks quickly.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “He is a gunslinger. He is, he is a lot of Favre. And I think that's incredibly appealing to a lot of football fans.” —Colin (14:42)
  • “If you're doing top 10 quarterbacks, you cannot leave Baker out of the top 10.” —Jason McIntyre (16:11)

• Baker on ‘New Heights’ Podcast (Played Clip):

  • “When you step in and your GM and head coach say, ‘hey, just be you’... After I've been told everywhere I go, ‘hey, you need to tone it down a little bit’, it’s just not who I am. … It's felt like home since the beginning.” —Baker Mayfield (22:18 summarized)

• Impact of Modern NFL: League is more transactional, GMs younger, talent moves more freely; second and third chances (e.g., Geno Smith, Darnold) are now realistic.

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4. Chicago Bears: Blame and Roster Woes (28:05–32:22)

• Chicago’s Dysfunctional Environment:

  • Media and fanbase begin blaming GM Ryan Poles for poor drafts and lack of roster talent as the Bears start 0-2 and Caleb Williams struggles.
  • Ben Johnson (head coach) and others already seem to be dodging blame—classic finger-pointing dynamic.

• Colin’s Perspective: Bears are a political, multi-layered organization (many McCaskey family members, divided interests), making the job “heavier lift” than most.

  • “Ryan Poles got an extension. I didn’t get it. A lot of people I trust in the league didn’t really get it.” —Colin (29:31)

• Draft Critiques: Many picks have not panned out; a few “potential stars” (Roma Odunze), but not enough hits, especially compared to rivals like Detroit.

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5. Patrick Mahomes “GOAT” Talk: Premature? (32:15–33:52)

• Debate: Mahomes turns 30; the show compares his early-career stats to Brady’s.

  • Colin’s Take: “What I care about is playoff wins and Super Bowls. Brady faced him in an AFC championship in Arrowhead and beat him. And Brady faced him in a Super bowl and blew him out. So Tom is the Goat. And it's not particularly close at this point.” (33:15)
  • J-Mac adds: “I don't remember Tom Brady missing the playoffs in his prime, do you? … There is some pressure quietly on Mahomes this year.” (33:52)

• Core Point: Longevity, context (Mahomes landed with Andy Reid in a pass-happy era vs. Brady entering a different league), sustained dominance matter most.

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6. Dabo Swinney & College Football’s New Reality (34:41–39:21)

• Dabo’s Rant: Defends his success at Clemson amid fan/media impatience (“If they tired of winning, they can send me on the way because that's all we've done is win…” —34:41).

• Colin’s Analysis:

  • Compares Dabo to Mike Krzyzewski—both reluctant to embrace big change (Krzyzewski resisted “one-and-done” basketball, Dabo resists NIL/transfer portal).
  • Observation: College football is a depth and recruiting arms race now. NIL isn’t only about stars—it’s about filling backup and role positions to stay competitive.
    • “It’s not just getting stars, it’s adding depth.” (36:32)
    • “The NIL isn't just for finding stars, Jason. A lot of times it's like. Like we need depth at linebacker.” —Colin (36:50)
  • J-Mac: “I don't want to hear I win the ACC every year. Whoopty damn do. You're an SEC country, bro. That's not the standard anymore.” (37:53)

• Lesson: Adapt or fall behind—even big-name coaches are not immune when culture and competitive environment evolve rapidly.

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7. Quarterback Turbulence Builds Greatness (41:29–52:25)

• Thesis: QBs need turbulence, adversity, or challenge for long-term NFL success; “easy” backgrounds rarely translate smoothly to pro greatness.

  • Examples: Mahomes (losing college record), Josh Allen (small school, Year 1 struggles), Burrow (transfers, injuries), Hurts (benched, transferred), Mayfield (bounce between teams).
  • Contrast: Arch Manning is struggling at Texas—his “never-failed” life, private school, family fame, has not prepared him for ongoing adversity.
    • “If your last name is Manning, you don't have a lot of turbulence.” —Colin (45:00)
    • “...Matt Leinart played at USC. They were so dominant... never seen that with Matt Leinart. … He lived this life. He sat in the pocket, he threw to great players. Five star... that's not preparing you for the NFL.” (50:00)

• Supporting Audio: Texas coach Sarkisian agrees adversity is ultimately good for Arch Manning’s development.

• Draft Class Woes: Many highly-touted 2026 QBs (Manning, Nussmeier, Clubnick) have started the year poorly, resetting expectations for the next draft class.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On J.J. McCarthy:
  • “JJ McCarthy does not get to pee on the carpet. He's got to be good in the next seven, eight weeks.” —Colin (07:26)
• On Harbaugh:
  • “When Jim Harbaugh leaves, you don't lose a good coach, you lose your personality … your org’s soul.” —Colin (11:14)
• On Mayfield Chicago vs. Tampa:
  • “Now he's kind of the same guy. … But it feels perfect in Tampa because it's not a flammable organization.” —Colin (15:31)
• Dabo Swinney’s Defiant Rant:
  • “If we stink because we haven’t played for the national championship since January of 20, well, I guess we stink. … If they tired of winning, we've had. We've won this league eight out of the last 10 years. Is that not good? I'm just asking, you know. Oh, really? You know what? I like that.” —Dabo (34:41)
• On Mahomes v. Brady:
  • “The only thing I care about is playoff wins and Super Bowls… Tom is the Goat. And it's not particularly close.” —Colin (33:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• J.J. McCarthy – No Patience: 03:03–08:03
• Jim Harbaugh’s Legacy: 08:03–13:00
• Baker Mayfield Discussion (with soundbite): 13:00–22:18
• Chicago Bears Blame Game: 28:05–32:22
• Patrick Mahomes “GOAT” Talk: 32:15–33:52
• Dabo Swinney and College Football Adaptation: 34:41–39:21
• Quarterback Turbulence: 41:29–52:25

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Tone and Style

Colin remains candid, punchy, and thought-provoking, blending data-driven analysis with strong opinions, occasional humor, and frequent analogies to business and pop culture. J-Mac functions largely as an informed sidekick, occasionally offering pushback or color commentary, always in a lively, sports talk radio style.

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In Summary

This episode is a fast-paced, opinion-heavy tour of current NFL and college football storylines. Colin challenges the culture of “patience” with young quarterbacks, praises Harbaugh as a generational program builder, spotlights Baker Mayfield’s perfect new fit, warns of dysfunction in Chicago and rigidity in college coaching, and insists that adversity is a must for QB stardom. Essential listening for fans interested in coaching philosophy, NFL quarterbacking, and the intersection of sports, culture, and media.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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You can't be patient at Ohio State. Right? You have. There are different strains and different pressures and I want to talk about that with JJ McCarthy. Dave Roberts wins a World Series, literally has a bad first half. Fans want him out and owners listen to fans and so do GMs. So I hear this about JJ McCarthy, the Vikings young quarterback who in seven of eight quarters has been awful. And I'm hearing this, hey, you've got to be patient. Not really. I hear that about CEOs. Be patient. See the vision, Long term growth. They have quarterly earnings calls with investors and shareholders. Yeah, speed her up champ, or we'll find the new CEO. This Vikings team number one could lose their great defensive coordinator by the end of the season, Brian Flores, to a head coaching job. Number two, they're amazing. Left tackle Christian Darasal is 26, but he's already had one major surgery and several other injuries. Left tackles are hard to find, especially as good as him. And the roster is too good. So it's going to get really expensive within the next year to two years I mean, this team in the last couple of years has won 13 and 14 games, two out of the last three years. I know, I know. Patience is a virtue. I understand that. But you ever go into an NFL practice, they don't have virtue Drills. Ready, set. Virtue. And Green Bay, your primary rival, is great right now. And because of the youngest roster, they're only getting better. So let's be patient for three years and go. 06 against your rival. Right? I don't buy it. This whole thing about people that preach patience. Patience is for parenting or training potty training a puppy or gardening. But the packers can be patient. They don't have an owner, the Vikings do. And owners listen. They listen to people on the street and talk radio and they read columns and their GMs under pressure. This isn't baseball, where if you're in a hitting slump, well, we'll just send you down to the minors. This isn't the NBA, where, yes, he's struggling, but he's only 19 years old. I mean, he's only a year out of High School. J.J. mcCarthy's last five years of coaching, Jim Harbaugh for three years and Kevin O' Connell now for two. That is world class coaching. Be good Sunday. Okay? Like, it's different, too. Jared Goff, when he got to Detroit, he'd been to a Super bowl with the Rams, and he was a number one pick and he was very good. Okay, I'm going to wait a couple of years for Jared Goff because he's proven he's good. And if you sold your first startup for a billion dollars, I'm going to give you some time with your second startup. But like Bryce Young at Carolina, it's three years. You're not winning games. I got to move on. And quarterbacks in 2025, like JJ McCarthy have private coaching, seven on seven summer camps. I mean, it's just they have more information at their fingertips. I mean, they should be better. They have far more snaps early than they ever did. So again, I will be patient. Potty training a puppy. But JJ McCarthy does not get to pee on the carpet. He's got to be good in the next seven, eight weeks. I got to see something. And if you look at seven of his eight quarters, they've been terrible. And again, he was with Harbaugh for years. Kevin o', Connor, there's an argument. No coach in, in the history of football is better than Jim Harbaugh. And I mean that. And I'll talk about that in a second. And then Kevin OConnell he's called the Tall Sean McVeigh. Five years of that coaching, I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting any longer. So I just don't. I don't buy it. I think gardening and parenting, but all these teams are owned by billionaires and they listen to fans and GMs are on the clock. You want me to be. You want me to be. I mean, Caleb Williams has Ben Johnson and Lincoln Riley the last four years. I gotta see something fast. Speaking of Jim Harbaugh, I was thinking about this. So in basketball, they have the Basketball hall of Fame. You could be a Harlem Globetrotter and make a Basketball hall of Fame. Football's different. There's the Pro Football hall of Fame, and then there's the College Football hall of Fame. But I was thinking this morning that if you combine it like basketball and. And it was just there was a Football hall of Fame, you could count college. And probably I would make an argument today, the greatest coach in the history of football is not Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh or Vince Lombardi. It's Jim Harbaugh, the greatest coach ever. Think about this. He's never failed. He's 5 for 5 at San Diego, Stanford, San Francisco, 49ers, Michigan and the Chargers. He's never failed. Saban and Urban, unbelievable college legends, struggled in the NFL. He's also not tied to a single player. What's Belichick without Brady? Not great. The only person that kind of compares to him is Jimmie Johnson, my friend. And your friend Jimmy Johnson. Great in college, great in the pros. But even Jimmy took over a Hurricanes program that had won a natty. And they won after he left. And then he took over the Dolphins. And the previous two years, they were like 10 and 6 and 9 and 7 before he got there. And then he left and then Dave Wot took over and Dave got him to the playoffs with Harbaugh, he's taken over five messes. They're all very good by year two, some by year one. And when he leaves the. The. The NERS were unwatchable for four years after he left. He went from super bowl to. Is this the worst team in the league? I mean, it's unbelievable. He left Stanford, couple years with David Shaw, now Stanford, not good, not close for several years. And so. And I think a lot of it. I mean, it's like Harbaugh takes stuff. And one, one day it's bar rescue, and the next day it's Michelin star. And. And. And it's. It's amazing. To watch Justin Herbert. We all knew Justin Herbert was good. It wasn't a matter of that. But if you look at Justin Herbert's last three seasons with Brandon Staley, he'd become an average quarterback. 93 passer rating. If you look at the last two seasons, 20 games, 19 games with Jim Harbaugh, he's in a running for the best quarterback in the league. And now Jim was a quarterback, so he's very good at that. But the defense was last. It's now first college and pro now it's harder in college. Stanford and Michigan took some years, although they got very good very quickly. But like at Stanford, it's hard to get players in and they were the worst program in college football when he took it over. But very quickly he went to USC and Pete Carroll is a 41 point underdog and won in the Coliseum without many players. Pete Carroll even recruited. And I really think it's very rare he takes over messes. They're good immediately and when he leaves, they're awful. And my question is why? I mean, as great as Jimmy Johnson is, he left the Cowboys, they won a Super Bowl. He left the Hurricanes, they won a Natty, he left the Dolphins, they made the playoffs. And the only thing I can wrap my brain around is that when Jimmy Johnson left, you lost a great coach. When Jim Harbaugh leaves, you lose the soul of the franchise. He is so authentic, such a unicorn, such a unique personality. Eric Mangini years ago was in the offices of the San Francisco 49ers and he's been around Belichicking great coaches. And I asked him about Harbaugh and he said, yeah, I've never been around a coach like Jim Harbaugh and, and he's been around a lot of great coaches, he goes, there's nobody like Harbaugh. It's not about the meetings, it's the personality, the relentlessness, the obsession with football. He is obsessed with football. He leaves an organization, you don't lose a good coach, you lose your personality. And I asked Julian Edelman yesterday, I said, how, how do you change a culture? Everywhere you go that quickly you can get fundamentals down, not turn the ball over, not beat yourself with pre snap penalties. That's how you change a culture right away. Not with all the talking, not with this, it's with the actions that they, they're showing that they're doing. So they've looked very good. And I think when, when a coach comes in and establishes that if he wants to be a tough football team, tough football Teams don't beat themselves. And Herbert's interceptions, Herbert's turnovers under Staley go up under Harbaugh, they mostly disappear. So, I mean, I think if you counted all coaches usually there's always been this sense that a college football coach has a certain personality. You know, he's kind of glib, he's got to talk to the donors, he's got to be a great recruiter. But the NFL guys, they're kind of academic. They're miserable. They look all a little overweight and a little tired under a 13th cup of coffee. And there's something that Harbaugh does that in what's most remarkable. Michigan was a mess. Stanford was a mess. The Niners were a mess. He makes them great. He leaves. There is a noticeable drop off overnight. Noticeable. And I think again, he's not a coach. He's. He is a soul of a program. And you're just, I mean, it's like when Steve Jobs left Apple. You didn't just lose a smart guy. He was the soul of Apple. Phil Knight briefly stepped away from Nike years and years, couple decades ago. Like overnight stock plummeted, fills the vision and fills the soul of Nike. So here we are. You know what else? I made sure I wanted to talk one more day, J. Mac, about a guy now, now he's a little bit of a gunslinger. He's a little old school. But Baker Mayfield, oh yeah, there's, there's a stat, and I think this speaks well of Baker Mayfield. The two quarterbacks in the league that have had the most interception worthy throws are Bo Nix and Baker Mayfield. And I was thinking, as I was writing this morning, I was writing notes for the Harbaugh thing rant and I thought, you know what makes Baker great is that in Cleveland his personality was seen as flammable. He's kind of the same guy in Tampa, but it's not a flammable franchise. But the fact that he leads the NFL right now in interception worthy throws, it speaks to who he is. He is a gunslinger. He is, he is a lot of Favre. And I think that's incredibly appealing to a lot of football fans.

[Jason McIntyre]

Totally agree. And he actually ties into your earlier point about J.J. mcCarthy. Because just imagine if the Cleveland Browns has had had some patience with Baker Mayfield, they wouldn't be cycling through a litany of quarterbacks every year looking for a guy. I think that's a great point. Baker has that gunslinger. It didn't work in Cleveland, but it necessarily wasn't Baker's fault. Right? Because Baker is an excellent quarterback right now. I mean, he was one of the leaders in yards and touchdowns last year.

[Colin Cowherd]

I also think Tampa is a different feel. I think Baker's matured. I think. I think the Browns are just a flammable organization. Stefanski's brought the temperature down considerably. But even with Stefanski, they guaranteed to Sean Watson a contract. They. They draft Shador Sanders and nobody thinks Stefanski and Andrew Barry wanted him. So that's just who they are. And when you combine Baker's kind of raw personality with that culture, it just didn't feel right. Now he's kind of the same guy. Primatured a little. But it feels perfect in Tampa because it's not a flammable organization. It's kind of. It's almost a sleepy organization.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think if you're doing top 10 quarterbacks, you cannot leave Baker out of the top 10.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right. Right now, he's absolutely in it.

[Jason McIntyre]

Hey, I mean, and not just two games last season. He was incredible. The season before that, very, very good. He is playing out of his mind.

[Colin Cowherd]

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And they would have said, well, you're hitting 38% of them. And Steph would have said, yeah, but if you do threes and twos, it took the analytics community to convince people and it still, the Lakers forever would not embrace the three point shot. So Steph Curry, born in the perfect era, a small guy, not physical, not a great defender. But his shot, which has been totally embraced because the sport changed, like the sport changed. And I, you know, I just think the reality is Baker Mayfield has had a great couple of years in Tampa, but it used to be Staubach and Aikman and Terry Bradshaw and Dan Fout. You got drafted by a team and you crossed your fingers they would eventually get you the right coach. Eventually Dan Fouts gets Don Coryell, right? And eventually Elway gets Shanahan. But you kind of just stayed with your team. But young GMs, now, GMs are younger. Everybody trades. I mean, Micah Parsons just got traded to a great team in the same conference, Green Bay, from Dallas. And so if you look at Baker's first five years in the NFL, if he'd have been born in 1950, 19, it would have been done. He was under 500. His passer rating was mid-80s. He completed 61% of his throws, he had 100 touchdown passes, 65 picks. He would have never been given other opportunities. But in this era, sleepy Tampa, which has always been able to get the roster right, but until Brady could never get the quarterback right, looked around and said, well, McVay liked him. He didn't get to a playoff in Cleveland. And they put their arms around him. And Tampa's a very sleepy brand. Like, we all know the great brands in the NFL, like the Niners and the Eagles and the Ravens and the Steelers. And then we all know the bad brands they can't get out of their own way. You know, the jets and the Panthers and Cleveland and Chicago a lot. Tampa is one of those that's much closer to the top than the bottom. People tend to think they're in the middle. But since 2002, the Buccaneers have more playoff wins than Buffalo. The Vikings, a well run team. The Broncos, by the way, they have more super bowl wins in that time than the Niners and the Cowboys. And oh, by the way, only New England and Kansas city, the last 23 years in the NFL have more super Bowls. They're on a long list of two or a short list. So Tampa has always been well run. They just can't get the quarterback right. And they've got quiet owners, a great gm, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin. Now they've got another young star receiver. It's never been a personnel issue in Tampa. They've had. I covered them years ago. They've always had players. But I think Tampa is one of those sneaky good businesses. But I think Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold deserves this. And Geno Smith. They would not have been able to get these massive contracts and get a third or a fourth team. People gave up on you. People just gave up on you. Here is, by the way, Baker Mayfield with the Kelsey brothers this summer talking about the fit in Tampa. This isn't to on the other teams and franchises. No, man, you already know. You already know, man, you gotta do it. But like, when you step in and your GM and your head coach say, hey, just be you. Yeah, After I've been told at every stop and everywhere I go, hey, you need to tone it down a little bit. You need to be a franchise quarterback. It's just not who I am. Like, I wear my emotions on my sleeves. We've hung out. You guys know me, I'm gonna talk, I'm gonna do whatever. But when it's time to turn the lights on and go do something, I'm gonna do it. So when I Stepped into the building. They all told me to just be my. It's been, not to say like, comfortable, but it's felt like home since the beginning. Yeah. And it does. It looks like home and it feels like home. And the NFL now is a very transactional league. And it's been great for Baker Mayfield because you go look at those first five seasons, he didn't suddenly get more talented. He got bad fits, weird cities, bitter media. Five seasons in, in the 70s, nobody is rolling the dice and say, you're our guy. He feels like a perfect fit in Tampa. And I do, I, I believe, you know, I always hear about, you know, young people are struggling. Young people are struggling with their mental health. And I do think some people have old school mentality. They want to stay in their hometown. And society's gotten incredibly transactional and fast and fluid. In my industry. There's a change every six months. Some people just aren't built for it. They were born too late. Baker got it right. I mean, this is a great story, but it wasn't a story that feels that possible even like 15 years ago. The league's gotten incredibly transactional. Young GMs are willing to trade anybody. J. Macleanoos. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Jason McIntyre]

This is the Herd line news.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, the other thing, J. Mac, you talked about this yesterday is when you look at the great quarterbacks in this league, very rarely they were all on the market. I mean, Baker was on the market after Cleveland and Josh Allen did not go number one. Or Mahomes or Jordan Love or Aaron Rodgers. I mean, how many teams could have had Dan Marino? Like the idea Peyton Manning goes one or a John Elway. When you look at the best quarterbacks in the league, they, they. Ohio State had Joe Burrow, then he went and won a Natty at lsu. Generally, they're available to all the bad teams. Baker was available to the league. And four or five teams that could have had a shot at him are still bad at quarterback. And when think about Brady. Brady came out of New England as the goat. Two teams aggressively went after him, Tampa and the Chargers. And for the next three years, he was still a top three quarterback in the league. So I don't feel sorry for teams in the NFL that struggles. Baker was there for everybody. Sam Darnold was there for the Raiders. He'll flourish in Seattle now.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. By the way, hearing Baker with, with the Kelsey brothers, Colin, it makes you wonder.

[Colin Cowherd]

Geez.

[Jason McIntyre]

Shador Sanders, the Ravens wanted you. The Baltimore Ravens wanted to draft you. A good organization you said, no, I want to go to the Browns because I have a chance to start. Baker basically just unloaded on the Browns to the Kelsey brothers. I mean, what a disaster. Anyways, let's move on to the Chicago bears. Colin, listen, they're 02, okay? Caleb has not looked great off the scripted plays. And the media, they're starting to come out with their knives. The Chicago Sun Times has an article placing the blame on, wait for it. Gm, Ryan polls. Not Caleb, not on Ben Johnson. The article basically says, Ryan polls. Roster construction has been awful. Meanwhile, Detroit's crushing the draft, Minnesota's finding guys in free agency, and Kyle and our staff put together, you know, Ryan Poles drafts over the last few years. And unfortunately for him, he has zero Pro Bowlers in that time.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now, Roma Dunze looks pretty good.

[Jason McIntyre]

He does, but I would agree. And 0 all pros in that time. Since he's been drafting, it's not great. And all of a sudden people are like, oh, they've got a terrible roster. It's the GM's fault. Let me ask a couple questions here. Number one, do you think Ben Johnson is already this upset that his camp is maybe starting to be like, hey, hey, it's not my fault. It's not. Caleb, take. Take a deep breath. Look at the GM's track record. Do you think this is a deflection of the blame game or is it too early?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, I think, you know, years ago, somebody told me Texas football, Texas Longhorn football, they said it out from the outside, that looks like the best job in college football. But it's very political. Mack Brown was very good at dealing with that political stuff. But that Texas football's had a lot of failed coaches. Yeah, it's hard. It's a hard job. The Chicago Bears is a very political organization. You got a lot of McCaskey kids. You're trying to curry favor with the kids. You're trying to balance that. It's a proud football city where a lot of people have opinions. They've been trying to move the stadium. Now it's going to go to Arlington Heights. Not everybody's happy with that. Ryan Poles got an extension. I didn't get it. A lot of people that I trust in the league didn't really get it. So I just think it's, you know, one of the advantages the packers have, which I always thought it was a disadvantage and now is an advantage. They don't have an owner. You know, the packers just don't have to answer to an impulsive owner or the crazy kids in the family. So I think this job, I think people, people. Ben Johnson knew there were some politics with this job. I think there's probably more than he guessed. It's a heavier lift than he thought. So I just, I think this job is a lot. I think the jets job is a hard, hard job. I think that, you know, New York and Chicago make hard jobs harder.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, it's. What's really tough is the draft is an inexact science. And we have on the screen the Bears first and second round picks. On our polls, none of them have totally hit. I agree on a Dunzik, but the problem is, for instance, Darnell Wright, remember him going tenth, it was felt like a reach. Do you know who went 12th? Jameer Gibbs of the Detroit Lions. You now have to face him twice a year and he's absolutely crushing it. And you look in that draft, Christian Gonzalez, who's hurt a lot, is a potential stud with the Patriots. So listen, I'm not going to kill the guy for the draft, but you'd like to see some hits here, Colin, and you're not really seeing them. I would agree. Roma Dunze looks like a bit of potential star.

[Colin Cowherd]

There are picks he's made that I didn't like. Velas Jones, third round receiver, did not like that pick. I didn't have a problem. I, I wasn't a huge Luther Burden fan. Colston Loveland I think is a good pick. I think Roma Dunz is excellent. You know, I back the Caleb Williams pick. Some of these guys are just young and haven't worked into the system.

[Jason McIntyre]

Can we start targeting Colston Loveland? Like, I, I mean, I don't. I bring up my awesome fantasy team, but they're, they're not getting the ball to Loveland. Like, why would you draft him that high? I, I just, it's. Some weirdness is going on. But you know how this works, Colin. Once things start to fail in any business, the finger pointing begins and everybody's looking out for themselves.

[Colin Cowherd]

They want to, especially with the Bears. Again, a very political job.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, Polls clearly needs to watch his back. Next up, Colin. Hey, we got a birthday to celebrate. Patrick Mahomes, 30 years old today. Some people think he's a goat. I think it's a little premature. He could end up there. He's certainly on. Premature?

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you mean? Yeah, some people think it's early.

[Jason McIntyre]

It's a little early for that. But listen, he's super accomplished. Three super bowl rings already.

[Colin Cowherd]

By the way, he played the goat in a Super bowl and Got crushed and got smoked.

[Jason McIntyre]

Brady has beaten him twice. Remember when Brady went into Arrowhead with that overtime drive before they changed the rules? Anyways, obviously colleague, Tom Brady, the Goat. Here's a, here's a chart comparing the two before turning 30. And Patrick Mahomes, extremely accomplished.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, when you get handed Andy Reid, not, not, not a bad start to your career before 30. But Brady's strength is his longevity. Just why, like LeBron is the GOAT. Because he's still putting up incredible numbers. Brady did this into his 30s.

[Colin Cowherd]

And let's be fair to Brady, Brady entered this league. It was not a passing league. It was a passing league. Tom's last five to six years in the league. It's been a passing league for a decade. Mahomes entered right in the. I mean, I would say that it had been established as a passing league. And Andy Reid is the great passing head coach. Yeah. So some of these stats, what, what I care about, the only thing I really care about is playoff wins and Super Bowls. So that's what I care about. Brady face him in an AFC championship in Arrowhead and beat him. And Brady faced him in a Super bowl and blew him out. So Tom is the Goat. And it's not particularly close at this point.

[Jason McIntyre]

I agree. Hey, by the way, I'll just say this. I don't remember Tom Brady missing the playoffs in his prime, do you? I'll have to double check, but I don't remember it other than the year he got injured, obviously. Colin, I'm just telling you there is some pressure quietly on Mahomes this year. Hey, man, all I keep hearing is you elevate everybody else. I don't want to hear this. We need Xavier Worthy. And Rasheed writes back. That's the answer. I'm just saying if Mahomes misses the playoffs this year, we need to put a. Put this Goat nonsense on the shelf. Okay? He could get there, but he ain't there yet. Final story. Colin is Dabo Sweeney and Clemson, 1 and 2 on the season, fell out of the top 25 after a loss to Georgia Tech. Dabo is really fired up defending his program.

[Colin Cowherd]

If we stink because we haven't played for the national championship Since January of 20, well, I guess we stink. Or we haven't won it since January of 19. We haven't won the national championship. Well, then I guess we stink. But why are we held to a different standard from all these other teams out there who ain't ever won nothing? We're not perfect and we may suck this Year, we may lay a freaking egg and go six and six, but I don't think so. They want me gone. They tired of winning, they can send me on the way because that's all we've done is win. So if they tired of winning, we've had. We've won this league eight out of the last 10 years. Is that not good? I'm just asking, you know. Oh, really? You know what? I like that. But I think there's a little Mike Krzyzewski here. So Mike Krzyzewski was a great coach and had Natty's. And then he. Here came the one and done, and he said, I want to do one and done.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh, that's good.

[Colin Cowherd]

And then Krzyzewski went, while I'm getting beat by one and done teams. And so Krzyzewski put his arms around one and done and went on to win under Natty. So Dabo has championships. Here comes the Nil and the Portal. And Dabo's like, I'm not gonna play that. And now he's getting beat by teams who are heavily invested in the Nil and Portal. And the truth is, he's gone the other way. And I think it has a Krzyzewski feel. Where at some point Mike Krzyzewski went, listen, the world has changed. The culture has changed. The great athletes are not standing college two in three years. They're not. I mean, even Stanford tells its smartest students, leave. Go pursue your id. You can come back. If you're a great basketball player, you're a prodigy. Leave college early. You do it in academics all the time. So I think he needs to take a step back and look at Mike Krzyzewski and go, mike didn't get it right initially, but Mike got it right eventually. Dabo isn't doing it right on nil. You don't have to have 20 guys a year, but I think there's a number somewhere between, like, 8 and 12 where. I'm sorry, but the nil isn't just for finding stars, Jason. A lot of times it's like. Like we need depth at linebacker. College football seasons now, if you end up in the playoffs, Jason, are like 15 games. Yeah. You just lose. It's not 11 games anymore. You should go to the nil for a number three receiver, a number two tight end, like a number two guard. Like, it's not just getting stars, it's adding depth. Because we all know with recruiting, half the guys never pan out. So I think nil. You think it's all money. And it's getting stars. A lot of times it's just getting depth, it's just getting another corner because you're going to lose three over the course of a 15 game season if you're in the playoffs.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, it's just. Listen, this happens across every business, right? Yeah. Hey, you know what more a lot of people are watching YouTube. You need a YouTube page. Hey, you know what? A lot of the eyeballs are on TikTok. Get on TikTok. You gotta adapt and change. I don't feel dabo's done that. And Colin, I'm gonna be honest, like I don't want to hear I win the ACC every year. Whoopty damn do. You're an SEC country, bro. That's, that's not the standard anymore. When you win national championships, you got a certain standard to keep going for and he's just not there anymore.

[Colin Cowherd]

Nobody doubts he's a good coach. Yeah, but nothing kills a great coach. Bobby Knight's a great example of rigidity.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, by the way, Mike Krzyzewski looked up and went, yeah, Carolina's doing one and done. We got to do it too.

[Jason McIntyre]

By the way, just Colin, real quick. When they have like six players drafted in the first and second round, people are going to look at me like, why wasn't Clemson better? They had all this talent because they're going to have a lot of guys drafted high.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

And all of a sudden it's like, oh, Clemson stunk. Or they were nine wins. That's it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, you know the other thing about the nil. Georgia doesn't feel as good today as they did pre nil transfer portal. Why? It's not that they've lost their stars, they've lost their depth. You know, you play an SEC schedule, you lose four starters. It used to be Georgia's backups were five star kids ready to play, but they get poached in the nil. So even Ohio State last year, you lose a left tackle, you don't have a guy available. So what's happened to the big dogs? The margins are shrinking because your backups get poked. Louisville comes in, Purdue comes in, Indiana comes in and says, you don't have to play back up to us. You're our starting left tackle. You're a backup right tackle at Bama. And so what's happened here is that it's not that Clemson doesn't have great players, but do they have the depth of players of Ohio State? And that's where in Ohio State can go buy Caleb Downs. But not every guy you buy is Caleb Downs. Some are number two receivers and number three corners. J. Mac with the News. Well, that's the news.

[Jason McIntyre]

And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.

[Colin Cowherd]

I always push back a little on Jalen Hurts. J. Mac. You know J. Mac likes the shorter guys. I'm not going to get into why, but he loves the shorter guys. But there is an NFL exec that kind of summed it up on Jalen Hurts, and we'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio Apple the best B2B marketing gets wasted on the Wrong people so when you want to reach the right professionals, use LinkedIn ads LinkedIn has grown to a network of over 1 billion professionals and that's where it stands apart from other ad buys. You can target your buyers by job title, industry role, company seniority, skills, company revenue, all the professionals you need to reach in one place. Stop wasting budget on the wrong audience. Start targeting the right professionals only on LinkedIn ads. Spend $250 on your first campaign on LinkedIn ads and get a free $250 credit for the next one. 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He's struggling. He's lost confidence. I don't know. I've never played quarterback at the college or pro level, so I don't necessarily disagree. But this season's been bad. He is literally last in the SEC among all quarterbacks in completion percentage and near the bottom in in everything else. Of 14 quarterbacks with three plus starts, he's 12th or worse in virtually everything. It doesn't look good. The production's bad now. They're missing some receivers and bags and the O line is young. The defense is much better. It just doesn't look right now to support him. It should be noted that Bo Nick spent five years in college. So did Jaden Daniels and Justin Herbert spent four. So like time on task in college football matters for quarterbacks in the NFL. The other thing is, if your last name is Manning, you don't have a lot of turbulence. Jalen Hurts had a transfer and Baker had a transfer and Joe Burrow had a transfer and Cam Ward had a transfer. And that turbulence is incredibly valuable for you, right? It's incredibly valuable. And Alabama quarterbacks and Texas quarterbacks and USC quarterbacks historically don't have as much turbulence. They play with better players. So I think I was thinking about this this morning. Take quarterbacks like 31 years or younger. Don't take Stafford or Aaron Rodgers. Let's talk about this generation of quarterbacks. Let's look at the quarterback mountain in the NFL. So the 10 best quarterbacks, and we can argue who it is. But right now, so far this season, Here are the 10 best quarterbacks. Now think about this. Patrick Mahomes had a losing record in college. That's turbulence. Josh Allen, small school, Wyoming, awful his first year in the pros. Joe Burrow had to transfer, multiple injuries. Lamar Jackson, passed over by everybody, including the Ravens in the first round. They got him with their second pick. And many believed he was a receiver and not a quarterback. Justin Herbert, probably the best route. I'll get to him in a second though. Dak Prescott, 4th rounder, non traditional power, couple of injuries. Here he is Today, a top 10 quarterback. Baker Mayfield, multiple teams had to transfer in college. Jared Goff went to a non traditional football power, got crushed first year. Jared Fisher gets to a Super bowl, eventually gets traded to losing Detroit. Jalen Hurts, second rounder, had to transfer. Bama benched him in a national championship game. And Jordan Love, non traditional power. Utah State, lost a lot of games, had to sit for three years. So of all the top 10 quarterbacks, the young quarterbacks this generation's quarterbacks, Herbert's had it the easiest. And think about this, he was a three star player, not a five star. He had three different coaches at Oregon and Harbaughs. Is third coach in the pros. So it took him, his fifth coach, to get a legendary coach. And that's the easiest route. Justin Herbert's route's been like, oh, Oregon. Well, yeah, Oregon was good, but they couldn't get the coach right during his stay there because he started like five or six games into his, I think, freshman year and he goes to the Chargers and two coaches don't work. Now he's put up great numbers at Oregon and great. He's got the easiest route. So my take is on Arch Manning. He's never had turbulence. He grew up with money, he grew up with fame. He's a great looking kid. He goes to Texas, he was on a dominant high school team. This turbulence is important. It's not a coincidence that all these guys had to overcome stuff, all of them. Here's Sark on Arch's struggles and why they help. I think you hit the nail on the head. I think some of this is really good. You know, here's a guy who's had an awesome life.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know.

[Colin Cowherd]

The way he's grown up, where he played, the school he went to, the people he's been surrounded by. But I think you learn a lot.

[Jason McIntyre]

About yourself through adversity and overcoming adversity.

[Colin Cowherd]

And getting on the other side of adversity. And so to have some of this adversity that he has right now and, and when he gets on the other side of it, I think all of.

[Jason McIntyre]

This is going to serve not only well for him, but well for us as a team. And so love the challenge for him. Love the challenge for us.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And it's just, you know, I read a story, it must have been like 10 or 15 years ago, and somebody was writing about UFC fighters and how most of them grew up with brothers roughhousing. They grew up physical kids, sometimes older brothers picking on them. And it's like, yeah, if you're going to be that tough when you're 28, at 18 and 8, you probably have to defend yourself at some point. Like, and I, and I look at Arch Manning and if it was just, hey, the best high schooler goes to the best college goes to the NFL. That's the Peyton Manning story, that's the Matt Stafford story, and he ended up with Detroit. It almost never works that way. It's unbelievable. At one point in the NFL. There were three quarterbacks starting from NC State and none from USC or Alabama. I mean, in most of these Alabama quarterbacks, it's not that they're not good kids, but, you know, Mac Jones, tua. You know, when you lead every football game, this has been my knock on J.J. mcCarthy. He didn't have to throw. They won. He had the best coach, he had the best offensive line, he had the best defense. Outside of Ohio State, he always had better players. So, I mean. I mean, think about how great Ohio State football is. I would say it's the second best college program of my life. CJ Stroud is their only great NFL quarterback, and right now he's reeling. And last year they couldn't keep a receiver healthy. The left tackle had an off year. This year, he may have the worst offensive line in football. Now. He got to the playoffs. I think he's excellent. But C.J. stroud, he is living a real life. I always say this. I remember when Matt leinert played at USC. They were so dominant, and the Pac 10 was really bad at that time. I think one year he got sacked like 11 times. He got popped in the mouth once at Arizona State, and he had a bloody lip. And I'm like, I've never seen that with Matt Leinert. Like, it was just. He lived this life. He sat in the pocket, he threw to great players. Five star is like, man, that's not preparing you for the NFL. C.J. stroud, the last year and a half, can't keep a receiver healthy, doesn't have a run game. It's easier for the Texans now to block a punt than pick up two yards near the goal line. They can't run the football. So, I mean, we have. Right now, we have starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Think about this. From Utah State, Wyoming, Delaware, Cal 1 from USC. And by the way, he's bounced all over the league. Sam Darnold, he bounced all over the league. So I think this stuff. I think this stuff for Arch Manning, I think it's all Caleb Williams. Well, Oklahoma, usc, half of this, six of the other. You know, whatever. Caleb Williams, I guess, by the way, off to a rocky start. So, J. Mac, I guess my point is when you look at quarterback mountain, there are no easy paths. There are no drafted. Number one went to a good team. Like, even Patrick Mahomes sat for a year. I remember I watched Patrick Mahomes twice in college. I thought he was way too wild. I'm like, this conference is crazy. He was winning 54, 45 this is nonsense. He's a league football.

[Jason McIntyre]

That's what it was. Yeah, it's like 60 to 54. But quick note so I happen to see Joel Klatt downstairs this morning. We were chatting and I was like, you know Collins been pumping up this quarterback class for the next year's draft a lot. Arch Manning, Nussmeier, all these young guys. Hey, Joel, have you noticed they've largely stunk up the joint so far this season? He's like, well, you could be onto something. I mean, we're done talking. Arch banding in 2026. That's all right. But I I am curious. Club Nick has been dreadful. Yes, he can't read a defense to save his life. Nussmeier, other than that first game, has struggled. Colin, I think we need to readjust for the 2026 draft.

[Colin Cowherd]

I I think you're on to something. And there's a kid out west.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh gosh, here we go.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

We sit down with politicians, artists and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

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