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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - Shedeur Sanders played well, Caleb Williams doesn't play at all, and thoughts on Jaxson Dart
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Colin Cowherd
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Joy Taylor
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Joy Taylor
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Sports Radio. All right, it is a Monday after a busy NFL weekend. We are live. It is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J Mac, we finally got some football and the quarterbacks play. Joe Burrow's playing Over the course of the weekend, the two is playing. Starters are playing. Matt Stafford didn't. We knew that. But Caleb Williams interestingly did not. And I want to get to that. Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Justin Field played and look good.
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Joy Taylor
Yeah. So one hour from now. Colin, right? Colin Roth. So what's interesting is Mike Sando. We'll have him on tomorrow. His annual survey came out this morning. So Mike Sando has been doing this for a year. It's kind of the bible of what the league thinks of its quarterbacks. He has 50 voters, so he has six GMs, six assistant GMs, six former GMs, eight head coaches, five execs, 19 assistant coaches. So this is a wide array of opinions. Upstairs, below, upstairs, people who have played against quarterbacks. And so the tiers are pretty predictable. I don't have any real squabbles. Your tier one is Mahomesboro, Allen, Lamar, Jackson, Stafford. I agree with that. Tier 2 is Daniels, Herbert Goff, CJ Stroud, Jalen Hurts, Baker, Jack Jordan, Love, Brock Purdy. I'd have you know, tier three, they got Bo Nicks closer to the middle than the top. I'd probably change that. But here's what's interesting. Caleb Williams is bottom of Tier 3, but 15 voters, about 30% of voters, already knowing what a mess the Bears were last year. That wasn't Caleb's fault. The coaching staff, 15 voters have Caleb in tier four. Tier four. I'm not even putting on the screen. It's old Russell Wilson, it's Daniel Jones, it's Spencer Rattler, it's. It's Joe Flacco. 50, 30% of the voters are, yeah, not gonna work. That's alarming. Here's the other thing. There were a couple of quotes from coaches, and I've said, I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm now in Chicago a lot. I want the football team to be good. Here's two quotes from coaches. One of them a defensive coordinator who said, in terms of processing ability and getting the ball out of his hands, he was the worst quarterback we played against. He holds the ball forever. A head coach in the NFL said his processing to me was alarming. Watching the tape, alarming. Also before the game, a lot of quarterbacks played. Joe Burrow, played Mahomes, played Ben Johnson. Because they had a, you know, scrimmage against Miami earlier in the week. Ben Johnson decided not to play him at all yesterday. And here was Ben Johnson's reasoning. There is no substitute for real live bullets. I get that. But at the same time, when you can accumulate 70 plus reps in a day, that's pretty good. That goes a long way in terms of where you want to go with the connection with the quarterback and his pass catchers. Yeah, and a lot of other quarterbacks in those inner squad games, whatever you want to call them, they had 60, 70 snaps, too. Bryce Young played Joe Burrow, played Mahomes, played Spencer Rattler, played everybody but Tom Brady played this weekend and he did not, Caleb didn't, and I'm a fan. But there is a certain weight to this quarterback situation. I said it when he got drafted by Chicago and it has now been reported by me and Seth Wickersham. This was not their first choice. This is a big, loud, aggressive media. It is a poorly owned franchise with a GM that got an extension based basically on one big trade that got him DJ more in draft picks. So I don't know. I look at it and I think to myself, was Ben Johnson. Actually, could I suggest this sort of protecting Caleb from the court of public opinion? It was kind of a standalone, big TV game. Let Miami and TUA get all the speculation and the heat. We're gonna let him, you know, just let him sit and watch this thing. It's not like he couldn't use the snaps when. When tech companies delay the release. Okay. It's usually because, like, you're still in the beta stage, right? You're just not quite comfortable putting it out to the public. And everybody in house knows it, but you're just like, you know, we just. We're just going to not release our product yet, says Apple. We just want to tighten it. I mean, the product is great. It's going to be revolutionary, but it's just not quite there. I think there are some eggshells here. I think Caleb's not quite where Ben Johnson wants him. That is okay. And I don't blame him for all of last year's sacks and the mess, but everybody played this weekend. I mean, starters played a lot. Let's talk Shador. I love that. Nike's already got. Nike's already got an ad out. Sam Darnold was almost MVP last year. Could you get an ad for Sam Darnold? No. Okay. All right. So only a matter of time, says the poster. So I want to throw this at you. There is a video, and it's not hostile, of Shador Sanders after making a point after his first preseason game of finding a local. A very popular local guy, Tony Gross. He's a talk show host. Very popular guy. I don't listen to a lot of Cleveland radio, but I know who he is. Very, very popular. And again, it's. It's not. It's not ugly. And I do think Shedeur is a good kid. I question his judgment and maturity, but if they kind of laugh in the end, it's fine. But this thing is like, Shador, what are you doing? Get out of there. I don't want you watching Tony Grossi. TikTok clips and here's the thing I've said about Shador and I've defended him. His size, his arm, his mobility are all good enough to be a franchise quarterback. And I think his accuracy, I think it's really good. I think it's really good moving, stationary. I like his accuracy. You're seeing these are pro athletes, he moves around fine and I think he's very, that's a very accurate throw. I think his traits, the arm, the size, the mobility, I think they're all good enough to be a mid tier NFL quarterback. I do a Dak Prescott level. I do. I think he throws a better ball than Dak, but he's not great at him. He's not Cam, he's not Big Ben, he's not Josh Allen, he's not Mahomes, he's not Stafford. So he's going to be have to be better in the other 30 to 40% of quarterback play, which is maturity, focus, IQ, EQ, film study, pre snap excellence. By the way, Tom Brady's traits, doesn't move at all, doesn't have a huge arm. Tom's the best ever at the other stuff. Dak Prescott is a C plus in the pocket throwing the ball down the field guy. Dan Mullen, his college coach, said that. But Dak is a plus plus plus leadership, iq, EQ at the podium, film study, pre snap. Dak's great. So if you're not outstanding in the trait stuff and I like Shadour and he's not, I do think his accuracy is an excellent trait. I'll argue, I'll even argue with Greg Cosell. I think he throws a really beautiful catchable ball. He's an easy thrower. But I would like to say Herbert's this Herbert just comes out and the ball's accurate. C.J. stroud ball comes out on platform, off left, right up back. C.J. stroud's accurate, Herbert's accurate. I think Shedeur and I also think he moves much. He's not Dion. Everybody says, well, he got his mom's athletic ability. Well, his mom must be a good athlete because he moves well and Shedeur had a good game. But my take is and I'm tired of Cleveland fans saying, colin, you're making a lot out of this little stuff, all right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you said about Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield and Deshaun Watson's court stuff in Houston. How about you sit this one out, Browns fan? You're all for three on it's no big deal. The speeding tickets. His own GM called him dumb. This right here, Shadow or you're a good kid. Get out of there. Don't look for sympathy and support from local radio guy. Watch film and again, it's not the end of the world. He is a good kid but the judgment thing for him is going to have to be exceptional. He is not Big Ben, Josh Allen, Cam Steve Young fart. That's not what he is and Brady knew it. And Peyton Manning knew it. Peyton Manning never threw a tight spiral. Peyton Manning didn't move well. Peyton Manning had a good arm. He didn't have a rocket. So when you're not the traits aren't a Dakota had so much self awareness. I said this from the very beginning. Dak was one of those strangely mature guys, like 23. Dak was 23 going on 33. Jalen hurts. He was not real big and not a great pocket guy. He's like 27 going on 47. So this is where Shador has got to get that stuff tightened up. Don't worry about what local media says. Like just stay away from that stuff. And Cleveland fan, sit it out. You've been telling me for years that stuff doesn't matter. I've been right three, three out of three times. You got rid of Baker. I told you, get off television in the commercials. Baker just get the quarterback thing right. Forget the commercials. He was good in the commercials. Here's Kevin Stefanski on whether Shador is going to get number one quarterback reps this week. I'm really focused on all of our quarterbacks development and every single one of these reps we have a standard for that position and really every position but certainly the quarterback position. There's a standard by which we play and how we play and how we operate and how we take care of the football and those type of things. So there are things that Shador can clean up, he will clean up. And I don't want to hear your anti Shador. No, I'm not. I thought he was underdrafted. I thought Jackson dart was overdrafted. He's more of a second round pick. I think Shedeur was underdrafted and when you watch him play, he's very comfortable. He's a real 6, 2, 2, 18. He's not a weight room junkie but he's. He's. If you're 6 foot 2, you're in the 96 percentile in this country. Anytime you see him standing around normal guys, he's tall, he carries his weight well. He's not spindly like Teddy Bridgewater or Matt Ryan, skinny or Goff. He's not top heavy like Will Levis. He looks like a franchise quarterback. Six, two two, 18, easily accurate moves very well. He's not great at that stuff, but he is absolutely, to me, a franchise quarterback with all that stuff. He didn't have a weird delivery. He's not slinging it sidearm. He, he's a franchise quarterback. But he better be buttoned up on the other stuff because that's what's made Dak rich. Not the arm, not the traits. And I don't know, traits are probably 60% of this stuff. 60 to 65%. But the other 35%, if I told you to be successful in life, 65% is, you know, DNA, but 35% is discipline. Well, you better be disciplined. That's a big chunk of life. All right, J. Mac Colin, right? Colin wrong. This, this quarterback tears is sandals on the show tomorrow. I love it for a million reasons. By and large, I agree with most of it. I do think Bo Nixon under tua Bo Nick says more athletic with a better arm and never been hurt. Feels a little wonky. But that's probably the NFL executives telling you how much they think of Sean Payton. They think Peyton has taken Bo to a level that he's probably not by himself. It doesn't bother me. We'll talk about more about this today and tomorrow. But the other thing is, I know you're a Jets fan, not a Giants fan, but the Jackson Dart thing is interesting. Oh, yeah, it's. And he looked good. I can take it wrong on that. I thought he looked, you know, again, it's, it's backups, whatever. He's playing with him and he's playing against him. But I want to address Jackson Dart and the Giants because there is something I'm tired of hearing about. Quarterback. Well, they're young. Well, they, you know, they just got into the league. I don't want to hear that with Jackson Dart. We'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show. So it can get canceled. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie. Ignore that fool. Listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. He's still moving. UFC 319 is blowing back to the Windy City for the first time in six years. Check out the fight card. Get in on all the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports betting partner of UFC. So download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. The code, as always, is heard H E R D. If you're new to DraftKings, check it out. New customers. All you have to do is bet five bucks to get 200 in bonus bets. Instantly. Instantly. Don't miss out. UFC 319. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app now. The code is heard H E R D for new customers to get 200 bucks in bonus bets immediately. When you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings, the crown is yours.
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Joy Taylor
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One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about. In a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast, too. Oh, really? Thanks. Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1na member FDIC. All right, welcome back. Top of the hour. Colin, right? Colin, wrong. Matt Hasselback, too. So I thought Jackson Dart looked good. 12, 19. I thought he moved really well. And I think when you look at the New York Giants schedule, with an easy schedule, maybe they could be a 9 and 8 team. I've argued they're a quarterback away. I like the offensive coach. I like the left tackle. They got a number one weapon. I like their defensive line. I like. I like the Giant. I think the Giants are a great example. Like Indianapolis Colts. If they had a great quarterback, they'd be a really, really good football Team and a playoff team, their schedules brutal and they don't know who quarterback is. But watching Jackson dart, my takeaway is I know it's preseason, but everything is something. Nothing's everything. He looked really good. Number one. This is not a Super bowl team. This is about discovering what Jackson dart is. Because next year's quarterback class out of college is great. It's really good. And we know what Russell Wilson is. Russell Wilson left Denver and they got better with a rookie quarterback and made the playoffs. And Russell Wilson went to Pittsburgh and they weren't any better than the Mason Rudolph, Kenny Pickett team. I know what Russell is, and if you promised him a start in Week 1 against Washington, by all means give it to him. But we know what Russell is at this point. Like, we know what it is. We don't know what Jackson dart is. And so. And I don't want to hear this. Well, I mean, you don't want to put him out there to be a pinata stop. The Giants have a great left tackle and I think their own line. Over the last two years they've upgraded it. Number two, they have a couple of really interesting young running backs. Number three is they have a number one receiver. Number four is this isn't like the tone deaf offense of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Brian Dable got Daniel Jones to the playoffs. Okay, I don't want to hear if you like, you like Brian Dable. He got Daniel Jones to the playoffs. He can coach. So he got an offensive coach, a great left tackle, a number one weapon. Running backs are interesting. O line is not a disaster. He's not going to take a beating. Plus the kid can move. And here's the other thing. He got 41 college starts with Lane Kiffin in the best defensive conference in college football, the one Jaden Daniels came from. And Lane Kiffin has coached in the NFL and could absolutely be a head coach in the NFL again if he wanted to. Lane is a really good offensive coach. If you get 41 starts in the best defensive conference with NFL receivers and you play with NFL guys and against NFL guys, you're ready to play in college. This is not Anthony Richardson, who we don't even know if. I mean, he wasn't even a great college quarterback. Jackson Dart was a very good college quarterback. I thought a second round guy, top third, middle second. But whatever. I certainly could be wrong. Been wrong before. But my, my take was watching him, I was like. And well, he played against backups. He also played with backups. Watching him might take his lane 3 years sec. He plays with a ton. He's like shadow. He plays with a ton of confidence. He was very comfortable. Shador was very comfortable. Zach Wilson looked nervous the first two years in the NFL. He looked frenetic. He looked. Sam Darnold in New York looked nervous. Shador looks comfortable. Jackson's ready to go. Jackson's ready to play. Here's Brian Duke about what I thought he would do. Efficient, effective, aggressive, confident in the pocket. Some stuff we can work on. But he's doing good. I want to see him in home games, road games, division games, bad weather, games, trailing, leading. I want to see him leading late. Does he know how to manipulate the clock? Does he know how to pick up first downs? You can't do that in four starts. You can't do it in six. I want 10 to 12 starts from Jackson Dart because the Giants may have found their quarterback. But even if they haven't, you gotta know going into January because that was very promising and I'll argue all day long. Don't tell me the Giants are a mile away. Offensive coach, left tackle, weapon, good defensive line and interesting running backs. They're not a mile away. They're not there yet, but they are not a mile. They're not Philadelphia or Baltimore. There's talent here and an offensive coach with a history. Josh Allen, just one and Daniels, another of getting the most out of a young quarterback. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Colin Cowherd
Start with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Colin. They got a nice win over the Jags over the weekend, but Aaron Rodgers did not take a snap. Mike Tomlin talked to reporters and you know, it starts to get into the hole. Should the quarterback play in the preseason or not? Tomlin responded, you might be looking at one of them in 2025. Adding that Rogers cum snap total and what's required for him to be ready is different than others. Sounds to me like Rogers will not be taking any snaps in the preseason. Colin, if you look at his history, he took eight preseason snaps with the jets in 2023.
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Joy Taylor
So I I here, let me defend Aaron, Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rodgers. I don't want to see him in the preseason. Okay? When you're older, this is not, this is not Mahomes tua. When you're older and have had an injury in the last couple years, I'm not interested in that at all. I will defend Aaron and Kirk Cousins. Those are about the only two guys in the league to me that shouldn't take any snaps. I probably wouldn't give Mahomes a lot or burrow a lot. But I think when with Aaron's physical limitations. And by the way, if you're going to put Aaron on the field, let's just have one rule. It's got to be the first team O line. Okay? It's got to be the first team O line. If you're not going to play Frazier, the center from West Virginia, if you're not playing your starters, I don't want Aaron out there at this point. He and Kirk should not be playing with backup O lineman.
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Colin Cowherd
So what about the concern that Rodgers is on a new team with a new offensive coordinator, new wide receivers, new O line. There's a lot of newness there for an old dog.
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Joy Taylor
He's smart enough to. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh yeah. Is he?
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Joy Taylor
I will say this. This idea that this is calculus. I will always defend a new quarterback in a situation like, like a young quarterback like Jackson Dart. He should have the quarterback. He should have the playbook memorized today. Now, does he know how to read a defense at the NFL consistently? No. Will he be fooled by good defensive coaches? Yes. You got to know your Aaron Rodgers is one of the smarter guys in the league at that position. If you can't get the playbook down in about and I'm being nice here six weeks, don't give me that nonsense. Anthony Richardson, I don't care who it is. He may not be able to read a defense. He may struggle with blitz packages. I get that. Mahomes acknowledged year three. The light went on. I don't expect Jackson Dart to pick up every package like Jackson Dart. If he plays, he'll have bad series. Jaden Daniels is an outlier. But you got to be able to. Let's not make this into oh my. I mean if learning a playbook is so hard, then how can Creed Humphrey, a center out of Oklahoma, get drafted, play Week 1 for the Chiefs and be flawless on the offensive line when he not only has to know the play but he is calling the audibles for the O line as a rookie center. If a center can do it, a quarterback can do it.
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Colin Cowherd
I the football stuff is weird with like tackling like Aaron Rodgers essentially is going to suit up for week one having not touched a football in a real live game in like nine months. Colin, you know I like play basketball all the time. I cannot imagine like an NBA player going nine months without playing basketball. If these guys are playing in summer leagues and pro ams, Luka's playing internationally. Aaron Rodgers hasn't seen real football since his last game with the jets. And I, I have real concerns for him. He looks slow out there. I'm sure you've seen the videos.
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Joy Taylor
No, no.
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Colin Cowherd
And you can't simulate that speed.
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Joy Taylor
Man. I'm a little. He doesn't look slow. He is slow. Yeah. And again just watching Shadour who everybody tells me is not athletic. Shador moves really well. Shador is fight. He's not Lamar. But Jackson dart moved really well this weekend. I watched all their stamps. Aaron's old, let's just be honest about it. He's just a little older and, and I don't want him near the field with backup O linemen. Not interested in that at all. All right.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's go to the New England Patriots. They got a win over the Commanders in their preseason opener. Drake May played sparingly, one drive and three of five 12 yards. Did have a fumble. And Mike Rabel had an interesting comment afterward talking about May's leadership. I'm not going to say of or lack thereof, but just take a listen.
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Joy Taylor
The expectations that he leads this football team, that's. That's what the job of the head coach and the quarterback is. That's pretty much how this thing goes. And he. That can't take days off. I mean sometimes the performance isn't going to be extraordinary but the leadership and the demeanor has to be. I think he's learning that. I love the fact that he's willing to, to learn and push and try to do those things to where he's demanding of everybody and making sure that everybody's on the same page. I don't. That's just a. That's nothing.
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Colin Cowherd
Nothing Burger.
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Joy Taylor
That's nothing. Okay. Yeah. I mean it's just local radio question. Fill in the space. It's nothing.
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Colin Cowherd
He. He used the word demeanor and he's got to be demanding. Maybe it's hard.
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Joy Taylor
It is very hard to walk into a locker room at 24 years old and tell 34 year old players what to do. As I've said about rookie and second year quarterbacks, it's almost unfair. But tough quarterback is not receiver or Mike linebacker. You have to come in and bark and you have to come in and lead. And if you can't do that, don't play the position. That's why I don't find me a silly quarterback who's an all time great. I'm not interested. John Elway was barking at Dan Reaves, his coach. That's what I need. NBA. I don't. Just show me your talent. Score and defend quarterback. It's unfair. I had this conversation with a friend, John Middelkoff and I were talking about this. Surgeons. I need you to be uniquely mature at 27 years old, no senior froggies night before surgery. I need you to be home sleeping pilots. I'm not interested in you hanging with the bros like you have to be rested for your flight. Quarterback's the same. The only thing in sports. I need you to be ready to go. At 24, you don't get to go out and party with your boys. If you do like Manziel, you're out of the league. I got no time for it. I'm not saying Drake May is doing that, but what Frable's saying is Tom could go out and knock down a beer after they won a gate. Tom Brady did not drink in the regular, regular season, not a beer. That's if you want to knock them down. Maybe in a bye week, you go to Cancun, that's fine. But it just. This is what's needed for the position.
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Colin Cowherd
Maybe we institute that here on the show. No drinking policy during the season. We gotta lock in for gambling. It's possible. Final story. Colin is Matthew Stafford. He's got that back issue. However, Sean McVay expects him back at practice today and he talked about Stafford's throwing session on Saturday.
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Joy Taylor
It was awesome. He looked good. He threw the ball really well.
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Colin Cowherd
There was no limitations in terms of the types of throws, deep, intermediate, short.
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Joy Taylor
We were moving the launch point and.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, he felt really good and so looking forward to progressing him back.
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Joy Taylor
Into practice on Monday.
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Colin Cowherd
But it was a good step in the right direction.
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Joy Taylor
By the way, it just came over that Jordan or Sarah Bar Shop is reporting that Stafford's in street clothes and didn't appear to be practicing. So I'm going to give you my Kirk cousin, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford comp. I don't want Matt Stafford in the preseason with backup offensive lineman. Stafford, Cousins, Aaron, I don't want him out there. Frankly, Joe Flacco I'd give a pass to because he's so big. He's such a physical outlier. He could take a couple hits. Quarterbacks who are older, been around the block don't need the snaps. Burrow is only doing it because Cincinnati's been so disappointing in September. So like Zach Taylor's trying to figure out a way to be better in September in that division. Otherwise I wouldn't play Burrow because of his injuries. But I, I do think with Burrow, it's like there's this Riddle, like why are they so bad in September? Like I don't get it. So that I get Mahomes fights for snaps. I've heard Mahomes wants more than Andy gives. And Andy will play starters. He doesn't care. So J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news, you know, it's really interesting. So what the NFL is doing now, they have these practices, like you know, the, the Rams and the Cowboys will have a practice and then they'll have a game. And it's funny. Andy Reid will not do that ever. So Andy Reid's theory is he's old school. You're not going to steal any of my plays and I don't want you to look at my personnel. You could see one of our fifth round draft picks and you go back home and you start, you know, Andy Reid does not want any of those. Kyle Shanahan will do a singular practice with another team, but not two. Because his feeling is if you have a practice and you win the practice, then the other team, this is when fights happen, get marked out by their coaches and they come back the next day at practice and they're just banging on your guys. So I mine one of my few knocks on the NFL is I don't like preseason. I don't like it and I don't think I need a lot of inner squad practices or whatever you want to call these things. Joint practice. I'm sorry, joint practices. I don't like joint practices. You can do a few of them. I don't like preseason games and my reason is when Texas and Oklahoma, Texas and Ohio State play on Fox here in a couple of weeks. Texas isn't having joint practices with the Aggies. The Buckeyes aren't having them with the Wolverines. And these are 19 year old kids and they'll look like they're ready to play. Remember Ohio State played Oregon last year early in the season? How many joint practices? I mean how many? They don't do it. So if college guys don't need a preseason and are limited by the NCAA in practice hours and with the NIL and the transfer portal, these college teams have 30 new players and they don't need it. So I think Rashawn Slater getting hurt. Now I know it was at a practice and sometimes it's just bad luck, but I, I don't, I don't think joint practices. I would do maybe one. I would not do it with a team in my division. I would not. In fact I probably would make sure the team's not on my schedule for the next couple of years. You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if Andy Reid says not doing it, I'm kind of on Andy's side on this. But I, I am not a. I, I'm, I think you are paid in football to figure out how good a guy is without game stuff. I mean, Ohio State, right now, Ryan Day is going to have to make a decision on who's the starter. No preseason and no joint practices. You're paid to figure it out. Right? Right. I don't get a pre show before the show. Like the light comes on talk. Right. You can do a little prep practice. We don't, we don't do joint sessions with other shows. Lights on talk. Let's go. So there you go. The home you've worked so hard for, you do now know the part of the home you own. It's called equity. And you could, you could use that for cash. Rocket Mortgage will show you how to do that. Go to RocketMortgage.com today. Maybe you want to buy another property. Kid going to College. Go to RocketMortgage.com licensed in all 50 states. Rocket Mortgage, LLC. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast, too. Oh, really? Thanks, Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See capitalone.com bank capital1, NA member, FDIC.
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Colin Cowherd
Sunday, the NFL is back on Fox and we're kicking it off with reigning MVP Josh Allen and the Bills taking on Caleb Williams and the bears. Preseason football Sunday, 80s turn on Fox.
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Joy Taylor
Okay, timeout. That will be the highest rated preseason game of the preseason. I'll make, I'll make a bet right now. And it's not because of Josh Allen. Aren't you intrigued by that stuff?
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Colin Cowherd
Josh Allen. There's no way Josh Allen's taking a snap in that game.
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Joy Taylor
He doesn't need to. But Michaela Williams, well, they're going to.
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Colin Cowherd
Get after Caleb Williams. That's, you know, McDermott. McDermott's not going to go in there like, oh, patty cake. They're going after Caleb. Yeah.
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Joy Taylor
By the way, you had a note on Chador Sanders.
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Colin Cowherd
Did you see where that video Came from of Shador talking to the reporter.
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Joy Taylor
No.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it was actually Shador's brother. Deion Sanders Jr. Was filming it. And I'm just wondering, Colin, was this scripted? Hey, after you play well, let's go talk to that reporter.
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Joy Taylor
Get it.
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Colin Cowherd
It's going to go viral. It went viral and it also pumped up, kept it in the family. This isn't some, like, random person. Got the video. It was Deion Sanders Jr. Of well off media. You can read about that online.
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Joy Taylor
I don't love that. I don't. That's worse than it being some rando like guys concentrating the stuff that matters. That. Don't worry. Remember when I was critical of Baker? Get off television commercials. Stop posing with Tigers. Like, figure the quarterback position out and all the Brown fans. You're making a big deal. It creates this focus on the stuff that matters.
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Colin Cowherd
We're in an interesting era right now, Colin, where people want to settle scores. Okay? That's a big thing among politicians right now. And this, to me, feels like Shador going after somebody. He's had a rough five months dating back to the draft and the league. He was going to be a top five pick. Daniel Jeremiah had him top 20 on his board. And the guy falls for the fifth round. Everybody's blasting him. He gets the speeding tickets. And now he's getting. He's like a pinata in Cleveland. Is he going to make the roster? 4 string. He plays okay. I mean, he was not great. He was good, right?
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Joy Taylor
Oh, I think no.
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Colin Cowherd
Settle a score with a reporter.
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Joy Taylor
Everybody kept telling me he's not athletic enough. And I kept saying, yes, he is. He had two times when he moved. I mean, and watch him. When he moves, he throws a really. Look at me. That's a perfect pass. That's a really good pass. Well, I think his accuracy is franchise quarterback accuracy. I think his movement is. He is not a stationary target. I'll argue this all now. Does he run backwards too much? Yeah, Caleb does it way too much. Caleb can. You know, Josh did this early. You got to get out of that. Caleb is not athletic enough to do that. I don't think he did it too much in college, but in college at a horrible O line. Cleveland's O line's okay. I don't know where. Pff. Ranks. To me, it's always been okay. But I. I thought all of his college traits transferred. I'll give you an example. When Johnny Manziel, Everybody told me how athletic he was. Everybody told me how athletic Tebow was. And you saw immediately that Tebow was closer to a tight end than he was a gifted, athletic quarterback. And you saw, I remember the first Johnny Manziel game, he got outrun by a defensive end and I'm like, no, no, no, no. Part of Tebow and Manziel's primary strength was, whoo. These guys get out there and move. Shedeur does not move noticeably. Worse than Tebow, who I was told was a great athlete. Shadour. But Shadour's strength isn't. Shedeur sits in the pocket and throws darts. I mean, look at this throw. That's a great, really good throw. That is an excellent here in the pocket with heat. That is a really big time throw. He is in the end zone. You got a man coming at you, a pro. Look at this. That is athletic. I don't want to hear that he doesn't have NFL traits. I don't want to hear that he's a fifth round quarterback. He was underdrafted. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Now this is the Panthers, Okay. And these are backups and third stringers. But it's a nitpick just a little. Okay. I know the two touchdowns, you know, there are two scoring drives were like 10, 10 yard drive and a 43 yard drive. Okay? So let's not go. He's not going 80 yards. The drives were short and sweet. There was a lot of punting. I get it. Overall, I would say this was a promising debut for Shador. And I do think it's a real competition now between him and Dylan Gabriel. I also thought that Joe Flacco starting week one. I just don't believe that. I'm sorry.
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Joy Taylor
All right. Tyson Bagent, the backup for the Bears, he had like a 16 play drive. It was pretty good. Yeah. And again, I always hear this. Well, he's doing it against backups. He's playing with backups.
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Colin Cowherd
Also true.
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Joy Taylor
Okay, so it's, it's all relative here. So this is interesting. It Mike Sando, the Athletic comes out. He'll be on tomorrow. I love this. I'm obsessed with his quarterback tears. It's like one of those gifts. I don't know what day it comes out. Today I'm driving in, I'm like, might as well be Christmas. I mean I, it like I don't even have to talk about it today, but I led with it. So he has. This is where NFL executives and I totally agree in their tiers, four tiers, they have Jalen Hurts, ninth, 10th best quarterback. And fans view quarterbacks through the lens of, hey, they win. Well, Trent Dilfer And Nick Foles have Super bowl rings and Dan Marino doesn't. Matt Hasselbeck doesn't. Matt Hasselbeck is better than Nick Foles by a lot. And Trent Dilfer. So GMs are asked to contextualize it. And if it was just about winning for a quarterback, then how did Patrick Mahomes get drafted in the first round? And how did Josh Allen. I watched Josh Allen play two good teams in college, Iowa and Oregon. He got crushed by both fans. View Quarterback it's all about winning. You have as a. You're, you're asked. I mean, a great stockbroker tells you to buy a stock before it's 140 bucks. He tells you to buy it when it's 13. Anybody can buy a stock. Anybody can buy Nvidia now for the next 10 years, or Amazon and say, I know my stuff. Would you buy Nvidia at 9, 26, 7 years ago? So Matt Stafford played in the NFL for 12 years and did not win a playoff game. He's a tier one quarterback, and he was Sean McVeigh's number one target. So this is not a knock on Jalen Hurts. He's not as tall as you'd like. He's about the same size or shorter than Brock Purdy. And Brock Purdy last week went on a podcast and said, 40% of the time, I can't see who I'm throwing to. Tua has said publicly, yeah, a lot of times I let go of the ball, I can't see the receiver. So, and the other thing is, and this is just so obvious, the Eagles had a bye week. Remember when Tom Brady went to Bruce Arians? They were seven and five and they had a bye week. You can break down your offense in that bye week and kind of make a major. It's hard to get off the treadmill week to week to week. But when you get that bye week and you get three or four extra practices, Tom Brady goes to Bruce Arians and says, we're going to change up the offense. Last year, in the bye week, the people who know him best said, you know, we'd be better off throwing less. That's a tell. So some quarterbacks in this league are Taylor Swift. They're leading the entire tour. Most quarterbacks in this league are the Spice Girls. They're part of an ensemble. Jalen is part of an ensemble. Of the 50 voters, 50 in the Mike Sando survey of the 53 had Jalen Hurts as a tier one quarterback. Okay, it'd be different if it was like 23. And then we could argue, but he was much closer to seventh rounder Brock Purdy than Mahomesborough and Josh Allen or Lamar. And that's exactly right. Best O line in football. Two great receivers, best running back in football. An offensive organization, always above average tight ends. And two easy wins every year with the Giants and relatively easy wins over the Cowboys. So for the record, I've always said this. The difference between the truly great like Mahomes and the. And. And the good Baker Mayfield, Darnold, what happens when you asked him to carry the team? So Patrick Mahomes, when he throws over 40 times in his career, that means the Chiefs are either behind or the run game's not working. Mahomes is 39 and 11. When Jalen hurts with a great O line, is asked to throw 40 times or more, he's 05. He's never won an NFL game. Okay, those are also very similar to Dak Prescott's numbers. When Dak. Dak went 13 and 3 when he had the best O line and he had that great rookie running back, remember out of Ohio State, Ezekiel Elliott. And Zach's throwing 27 times. Dak was 13 and three. And then all of a sudden, you know, Zeke ages. They don't have a number one before Amari star, Amari Cooper. And it's like, yeah, Dax, not as good when you ask him to throw 42 times. It's a different quarterback, so it's not a criticism. Again, very few Taylor Swifts, a lot of Spice Girls. You're just part of an ensemble. You need protection. For the record, last year, Niners beat up at left tackle. Christian McCaffrey didn't play. I think Purdy was one in six with Kyle Shanahan, one in six against playoff teams. Brock, when he has the ensemble healthy, can be a very effective quarterback. Smart moves. All that jazz. Hour two on a Monday. Coming up next.
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Colin Cowherd
This is an I Heart podcast.