THE HERD - Hour 1 - Spurs vs Knicks tonight, thoughts on a possible Aaron Donald return, Les Snead

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 1 Summary

Date: June 3, 2026
Theme: NBA Finals Preview (Spurs vs. Knicks), NFL Offseason (Aaron Donald, Myles Garrett, Rams Moves), NFL Trades & Contracts

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode centers on a preview of the highly anticipated NBA Finals series between the San Antonio Spurs and New York Knicks, analyzing what a win would mean for the league, player matchups, and narrative significance. Colin also covers blockbuster NFL news, including speculation over Aaron Donald's possible return to the Rams, the Myles Garrett trade, insight from Rams GM Les Snead, and recent NFL contract extensions and trades.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA Finals: Spurs vs Knicks Preview

Timestamp: 02:32 – 14:25; 18:39 – 23:00

• Star Power & Narrative Stakes:

  • Mitchell Robinson’s injury (Knicks' key big man) could significantly impact the Knicks’ ability to guard Spurs phenom Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby").
  • The NBA thrives when its best player is also the biggest star (Magic, LeBron, MJ, Curry); Wemby could become that next face, unlike under-the-radar MVPs like Jokic.
  • For the league, either outcome is a win: Knicks win first title in 53 years or Wemby launches a new era of dominance.
  • “The NBA has always been at its best when the best player is also the biggest star.” (Colin Cowherd, 03:36)

• Team/Matchup Analysis:

  • Knicks: Older, physical wings, great shooting, have played Spurs well this year but now face health troubles.
  • Spurs: Best overall player (Wemby), home court, more playoff-tested this postseason.
  • “When Wemby plays just 15 minutes, the Spurs are 39-6 since February 1. And 13-1 against the East.” (Colin, 05:48)
  • Colin picks Spurs in six or seven games, citing health, star power, and battle-tested roster.

• Wemby's Mentality:

  • Wemby is unaffected by the hype, focused on performance, and motivated by personal desire to win everything ("Doesn't motivate me... only 20,000 people can fit in the arena." Wemby, 06:50)
  • Colin admires Wemby’s competitive spirit and drive:

    “He’s smart, he'll talk to the press. He's got a sense of humor. He's dominant. He wants it... Not all star players want it to that level.” (Colin, 07:01)

• Team Building Styles – A Study in Contrasts:

  • Spurs are “draft and develop”—lottery picks, young core, internal development (Wemby, Keldon Johnson, Castle, Vassell, Harper).
  • Knicks are “trade and sign”—built through aggressive trades and free agency (Brunson, Josh Hart, OG, Towns, Mikal Bridges).
  • “The Spurs built this thing on lottery picks... they're all about draft and develop. Knicks went the opposite way.” (Colin, 18:39)

• Styles Make Fights – On-Court Identity:

  • Neither team is overly three-point dependent; both are “middle of the pack” in analytics; Spurs focus on corner threes via Wemby gravity.
  • Star contrasts: Spurs led by 7’4” defensive phenom Wemby; Knicks by 6’2” offensive engine (Brunson).
  • “If you had a movie poster for this Finals, it would be like the 1988 hit Twins. It’s an incredibly unique Finals.” (Colin, 21:30)

• Player Soundbites:

  • Wemby (on the Knicks): “A great team of experienced guys who are not here by chance, but by relentless effort over the years...” (22:13)
  • Colin expects a "classic" 6- or 7- game series with dramatic style contrasts—a new “Celtics–Lakers” vibe.

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2. NFL News: Aaron Donald Rumors & Rams Defensive Build-up

Timestamp: 07:01 – 11:29; 23:05 – 28:44; 36:38 – 44:33

• Aaron Donald Comeback Rumors:

  • Donald (retired at 32, now only 35) is reportedly "flirting" with an NFL return, per Jordan Schultz.
  • No major injuries, still elite at retirement, constantly training (as seen on IG).
  • “He simply lost motivation... If Aaron Donald came back, and there's no doubt in my mind he'd be elite. That would, without question, be the greatest compilation of defensive line talent ever put together.” (Colin, 09:17)

• Sean McVay on Aaron Donald Rumors:

  • “If Aaron decides he wants to dust them off at the age of 35, I bet you he could still do it at a pretty high clip.” (Sean McVay, 11:06)

• NFL Aging & Motivation:

  • Parallels drawn to Tom Brady—greats will keep playing if work is meaningful.

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3. Rams' Defensive Build & Myles Garrett Trade

Timestamp: 36:38 – 44:33

• Les Snead (Rams GM) Interview:
  • On acquiring Myles Garrett: Effort involved persistent outreach; initially tried to make a deal with just picks, ultimately had to include promising young pass rusher Jared Verse (“it was a no for us...very, very difficult”).
  • Stan Kroenke’s involvement and the opportunistic nature of the deal after free agency.

    “We kept knocking, we kept knocking, we kept knocking. And we were able to finally get something done.” (Les Snead, 37:45)

  • On Aaron Donald return buzz: This is the "first time" since retirement he's likely truly tempted, spurred by the excitement around the new D-line.
  • On Ty Simpson (rookie QB): It's “not an undergraduate-level offense here...but as we've gone into some 7 on 7 ...you’ve seen some of those Ty Simpson moments.” (Les Snead, 43:42)
  • “We still got miles to go before that game. That's kind of how our ecosystem works.” (Les Snead on Super Bowl expectations, 41:27)

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4. NFL: Hype Train & Realities of Super Teams

Timestamp: 24:06 – 28:44

• Myles Garrett’s Impact:

  • “Miles Garrett is going to be on the Cleveland Browns Mount Rushmore... but the opportunity to come here [Rams]... have an immediate and profound impact.” (Garrett, 23:32)

• Colin & J Mac’s Analysis:

  • Rams and other modern NFL teams creating “super teams”—paralleling NBA-style blockbuster moves.
  • Reminder: hype does not always equal results (Eagles, Seahawks, early 2010s).
  • “Rams are 11½ [wins], I would take the over. 12½, I would take the under. 12-5 feels about right.” (Colin, 28:34)

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5. NFL Transactions: Contracts and Locker Room Dynamics

Timestamp: 28:44 – 35:35

• Eagles Post-AJ Brown Trade:

  • Jordan Mailata (LT): “Thank God it’s over... a slow pain of, is he in, is he out?... Now, we have to build that culture.” (Mailata, 29:09)
  • Colin sees the Eagles as stable and expects them to thrive with a solid, re-tooled receiving corps.

• Falcons Extend Drake London:

  • Four-year, $141M deal with $100M guaranteed (“nice round number, 100 Milli,” J Mac, 32:49).
  • Colin: London is a top 10-12 WR who’s been productive despite quarterback chaos: “I have no problem paying Drake London.” (35:20)

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6. NBA Coaching Carousel & Mike Brown’s Journey

Timestamp: 12:44 – 14:25

• Knicks Coaching Decisions:
  • Contrast between intense coaches (Malone, Tibbs) and collaborator Mike Brown, who “works well with anybody” and is often underappreciated yet widely employed.
  • “Mike’s kind of...his brand is Mike works well with anybody... he’ll tweak stuff all day long. He’s a collaborator, and that’s why he’s always employed in this league.” (Colin, 13:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wemby & Star Power:
  “The NBA has always been at its best when the best player is also the biggest star.” (Colin, 03:36)

• On Team Building:
  “Spurs built this thing on lottery picks... Knicks went the opposite way.” (Colin, 18:39)

• Wemby's Finals Focus:
  “Doesn't motivate me. At the end of the day, only 20,000 people fit in the arena, so it doesn't really make a difference.” (Wemby, 06:50)

• On Rams’ Defensive Line:
  “That would, without question, be the greatest compilation of defensive line talent ever put together. And I don't even know if it's close.” (Colin, 09:17)

• On Mike Brown:
  “Mike’s just going to be employed forever because people generally root for people like that and they… he doesn’t have to be the star of the room.” (Colin, 13:02)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• NBA Finals preview & Wemby discussion: 02:32 – 07:01, 18:39 – 23:00
• Aaron Donald comeback rumors: 07:01 – 11:29
• Rams trade for Myles Garrett & Les Snead interview: 36:38 – 44:33
• NFL “super team” cautions: 24:06 – 28:44
• Eagles trade reaction & locker room talk: 28:44 – 31:49
• Falcons extend Drake London: 32:20 – 35:35
• Mike Brown & Knicks coaching analysis: 12:44 – 14:25

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Podcast Tone & Style

Colin’s approach remains both analytical and conversational, blending strong opinions with historical perspective, statistics, and personal anecdotes. J Mac provides a sounding board for dialogue and alternative takes on league trends and transactions.

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Takeaways for the Uninitiated

• The coming NBA Finals are a league-shaping moment: either a new Knicks dynasty or Wemby’s superhero era.
• The Rams are stacking historic defensive talent and could add Aaron Donald back into the mix, with Les Snead providing insight on the negotiation process and the franchise’s aggressive approach.
• NFL offseason is defined by major moves, but the danger of hype is ever-present—true contenders emerge through a blend of health, coaching, and roster continuity.
• Both the NBA and NFL are evolving in how teams are built, with lessons in draft development vs. star-chasing, and the unpredictable impact of culture and leadership.

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End of Hour 1 Summary

Transcript

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Here we go. NBA Finals start tonight. Aaron Donald back to the Rams. Welcome in. Andy Reid stops by. We'll go to New York. Talk Knicks, Rams gm less sneed in the house. Here we are on a Wednesday. Thanks for joining us. A lot of options out there. We appreciate it. So Mitchell Robinson broke a finger. He is questionable for tonight's game one. He is their best defensive big. You'd prefer your best defensive big to be healthy when he's facing Wimby. So it's not great news. But the best. You know the NBA has always been at its best when the best player is also the biggest star. Magic, Shaq, LeBron, Curry, you know that, that's MJ obviously. So your best player is your biggest star. Where the NBA gets into trouble is when your best player isn't your biggest star. SGA Jokic, Tim Duncan, Moses Malone won back to back MVPs. That's when the league's kind of swimming and feels rudderless. So a Spurs championship would guarantee and mean the best player. Wy best two way player right now would be the biggest star. I don't know if it happens this year, it may start next year. But they did beat in the game seven the defending champs boxing has a unification bout. The NBA in my opinion could use theirs. So New York against Wimby is a no lose proposition for the league. The Knicks either get their first championship in 53 years. They're charging now more for tickets than Manhattan Rent. Google it. It's true. Or Wemby begins a Bill Russell Jordan, Magic Bird shack like transformation of the league. There is so much to like about New York. They're older, their wings are big and physical. Carl Anthony Towns is the best shooting big maybe ever. Brunson's on a heater. OG matches up we think with Wemby and they've. And they've actually played very well against the spurs this season. There's so much to like about New York in this series. But I can't get past this number when Wemby plays just 15 minutes. 15 minutes. The spurs are 39 and 6 since February 1 and 13 and 1 against the East. That one loss though is to the Knicks. But I still like San Antonio in this series in six or seven games. Why? They have the best overall player. That matters. They have home court advantage. That matters. The Knicks have a crucial injury to the one guy that physically can go toe to toe. We think Mitchell Robinson with Wemby, he's injured also the spurs are much more battle tested. I mean, in May, the Knicks played two close games. Two. And were far superior to both teams. We didn't know until this past weekend if the spurs were even superior to the other team in the Western Conference finals. So I like the spurs home court. Have Wemby battle tested? Don't have a key injury. That worries me. Dylan Harper appears to be back. Here is Wemby on tonight's NBA Finals.

[Interviewee (possibly Wemby or related to basketball commentary)]

How do you feel about the fact that a lot of the world, of the basketball world, even the general world, is going to be watching the series? And how does that spotlight motivate you and how do you feel comfortable in that spotlight?

[Wemby (Victor Wembanyama)]

Doesn't motivate me. At the end of the day, only 20,000 people fit in the arena, so it doesn't really make a difference.

[Colin Cowherd]

I like everything about him. He's smart, he'll talk to the press. He's got a sense of humor. He's dominant. He wants it. Unlike other European players, he really wants to dominate everything from the regular season to the NBA cup to the All Star Game to the playoffs. He, he's really, really into it. It matters to him. Years ago, I started a business and I started it with a good friend of mine and we sat down one time, we talked about what kind of people do we want to hire? And I said, I want people that are competitive and care. If they're just showing up to work, what's the point? Do you really love the business? Do you really care? Are you willing to be competitive and put it out there? That's what I love about Wemby. He, he wants this so badly. And not all players do. In fact, not all star players want it to that level. All right, this story came out yesterday. It's kind of interesting, kind of frightening. You know, when Miles Garrett signed with the Rams, they went from favorite to strong favorite to win the Super Bowl. And then yesterday, Jordan Schultz of the Schultz Report called Aaron Donald. He said, would you consider coming back to the NFL? He said, yeah, I'm flirting with the idea. Oh, good. Hell. So he retired at 32. Today, he's only 35. Remember, Calais Campbell is 39 and still an above average defensive lineman. 39 years old. Cam Hayward was the highest rated according to PFF, the highest rated defensive tackle in the NFL last year. He, he's 37. Aaron Donalds had no major injuries. All Pro first team the year he retired. Started every single game. He simply lost motivation. The Rams were 10 and 7. They weren't a Super bowl team they lost in the first round and he was, and there's video to prove it. He was being triple teamed. He just lost motivation. To me, this literally makes sense and I want you to think about this. We talk a lot about offense. If Aaron Donald came back, and there's no doubt in my mind he would be elite, you'd have Byron Young on one side, Miles Garrett on the other. Puna Ford was the number one rated nose tackle in the NFL last year. Braden Fisk has been a hit at defensive end, and Kobe Turner will get a big payday. Let me insert Aaron Donald. That would without question be, be the greatest compilation of defensive line talent ever put together. And I don't even know if it's close. And here's the thing about Aaron Donald. As you age, all of you people watching me right now, in your 50s, 60s, as you age, you like to work, but you want your work to be meaningful, not pointless or fruitless. And so, and I, and I really believe this, Tom Brady would have kept playing. One of the reasons Tom Brady retired was The Bucks were 8, 9 and they were getting really old really quickly. If the Bucks would have been 11 and 6 and CO super bowl favorites, Tom Brady would have played. And maybe two more years could have been three. I still think he could play now. So it's once Myles Garrett signs, start looking at it going, okay, and remember Aaron Donald. Go to his IG page, okay? He doesn't have umbrella drinks at the beach. He hasn't put on weight. It's Aaron Donald working out. That's the thing. He loves Aaron Donald IG page. Aaron Donald working out. So here, here's Sean McVeigh trying to wipe the smile off his face when he was asked yesterday about reuniting with Aaron Donald if he's interested.

[Sean McVay]

You know, there is no, here's what I'll say. You talk to Aaron and you see what he's saying about that. But here's what I would tell you guys overall too is, you know, Aaron's a guy that I stay really close in touch with and I know the respect that he has for Miles. Talk to him about the opportunity to be able to bring him on board. If Aaron decides he wants to dust them off at the age of 35, I bet you he could still do it at a pretty high clip.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I don't, I don't question that out. Kaleis Campbell's still a really good football player. I think he's going to be 40 this season. And Cam Hayward is still elite. So this Is, well, Colin, Why didn't he come back when Jared Verse was there? I like Jared Verse. He's not Myles Garrett like this. This defensive line would. I mean, again, you don't want to go crazy. Injuries happen. Stafford could get banged up. But if Aaron Donald came back, I mean, have him come back. Week eight. I just can't even believe that story. It's just absolutely frightening. J. Mac, we got so much stuff going on today. Caleb Williams became the first Chicago Bear ever on the COVID of Madden. What? That's something. James Dolan. People can say what they want about James Dolan. James Dolan is the one that made the decision on Tibbs and also made the decision on Mike Brown. Really fascinating thoughts on the difference between Brown and Tibbs.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

You remember the Mike Brown situation. He was not their first ch. He was not their second choice. They really wanted Michael Malone, the Denver Nuggets coach who ended up at unc. They wanted Jason Kidd. They didn't want Mike Brown. I love stories like this, Colin, where Mike Brown's like the third choice and now he's instrumental in driving them to the Finals.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think one of the things that was attractive about Mike Brown and Mike's a really nice guy, is that he's worked in several formulas with several coaches and several ecosystems. He's always been known as a good listener and a good collaborator. Malone and I like him, is really intense, and he battled previously with a gm. And Tibbs is really intense. So when those stories came out, I didn't necessarily buy the Malone to the Knicks story. My take was, well, Malone is similarly intense and not necessarily known as a great collaborator. I'm sure. I'm sure Malone's fine, but, you know, Tibbs is pretty rigid. Mike Brown's kind of. I don't know if it's his mantra, but it's sort of. His brand is Mike works well with anybody. Like, Mike is willing to work. He'll tweak stuff all day long. He's a collaborator, and that's why he's always employed in this league. Like, people like Mike, they like to work with him, and he's always been a great listener. He kind of takes the pulse of his locker room. And my Mike's just going to be employed forever because people generally root for people like that and they like. And he doesn't have to be the star of the room. That's not his thing. So I've also. I've also got some thoughts on one of the coolest things about tonight's final. And it's really, it's instructive for the NBA. It's good for the NBA. It's a good message. That's next. We're live. It's the Herd.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Disney Pixar's Toy Story 5 rated PG. Parental guidance suggested only in theaters June 19. Tickets available now. One of the cool things about the Knicks and the spurs is about how each one was built is is completely different. And this exists in other sports. You know, there's teams like the Milwaukee brewers that have to be in baseball more, draft and develop. And then there's teams like the Dodgers who can do some of that, but their draft picks aren't as good. They're going to go buy some stars. Both work. Both are excellent organizations. But the spurs built this thing on lottery picks and Wemby, Stefan Castle. They're a draft and develop organization. Keldon Johnson 6 Man of the Year the sell. I mean, if you start Dylan Harper they're All about draft and develop. They got really, really bad to get really, really good draft picks and they hit on all of them. The Knicks traded for Josh Hart and traded for OG and traded for Cat and traded a lot for Mikhail Bridges and signed Jalen Brunson. In free agency, they went the opposite way. Now, some of these New York moves will be much harder today with a new CBA and aprons, but tough luck, they did it when they could. So I think both teams feel very unique and that's what I like about it. And I also love this about it because, you know, I'm more of a fan of manhytics than analytics. And once again the analytic three point mavens lose. Neither is these teams is beholden to a three point shot. They're both middle of the pack. Now the spurs hit a lot of corner threes because Wemby draws so much attention. So the spurs are a great corner three team. It's very specific. But these teams are not beholden to a three point shot. And there's an old saying that styles make fights. I mean, literally one team is led by a 74 Euro, the greatest defensive player ever. The other team is led by a 62 scoring whiz who's a bit of a defensive liability. If you had a movie poster for this finals, it would be like the 1988 hit Twins. It's an incredibly unique Finals. Both teams have done it separately, both are working authentically and at a very high level. So I think this is just classic. This has a Celtics Lakers vibe. Where you had the Showtime Lakers, they were up the floor playing at a tempo nobody else played. And the tough and the physical Bird and Parish and McHale, Celtics who loved to get into street fights. So. And that's what made for a decade, for a decade, Celtics, Lakers, they were not only great players, stylistically, coastally, I mean, it was just totally different organizations. One had more of a blue collar French Lick, Indiana. You know, McHale went to the University of Minnesota. Parish is tough guys and then he had worthy magic and Cooper and get up the floor and highlight reel no look passes. And that's what made it so much fun. And I think this has a chance to be an all time six, seven game series. Here was Wemby and de' Aaron Fox on facing these Knicks.

[Wemby (Victor Wembanyama)]

It's a great team of experienced guys who are not here by chance but by relentless effort over the years and very different career paths for all of them. So they're right where they're supposed to be in my opinion. And all of them are going to be super hungry in their own way.

[Colin Cowherd]

Don't change anything that we're doing. You know, there's a reason that we're in the finals. There's a reason that we won 60 games. There's a reason that we didn't lose three games in a row the whole year. So we don't want to get to this place and then start changing the way that we play. By the way, I am looking up if the word coastally is actually a word, and it does appear to be J. Mac with the news.

[Wemby (Victor Wembanyama)]

No, no, no.

[Theo Henderson]

Turn on the news.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

This is the Herdline news.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

Speaking of the best coast, let's start in Los Angeles, where Myles Garrett joins the Rams. Everybody's fired up for this. Colin, how about this incredible stat? So, Miles Garrett is 30 years old. He's only made the playoffs twice in nine seasons. He has one playoff win. The Rams have 10, 10 playoff wins in a Super bowl in that time span. Here's Myles Garrett talking about getting acquired by the Rams.

[Interviewee (possibly Wemby or related to basketball commentary)]

Since, since the very beginning, it's always been about winning. And no, it just breaks down to the timing of everything. What does it realistically look like to be a winner now? I always have love in my heart for Cleveland City, the community, all its players and everything else, but the opportunity to come here have a immediate and profound impact on this team. It was something I just had to move forward with.

[Colin Cowherd]

I can't wait to watch it, man. I'll tell you, you and I both love big trades. This used to be the NBA's territory. It is now the NFL's territory where we are seeing on an annual basis massive moves. Star players going to very good team. Not like, not like second tier players. Going to average teams, superstar players, first ballot, hall of Famers, A.J. brown, Miles Garrett going to elite teams, super bowl teams. It's. It's a lot of fun.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

I. I will preach. You know, it's been 48 hours. You know, we're doing. We're done. The autopsy. I will just say there is a mild concern that the hype train has gotten out of control. I think we've seen some of these super teams before and this is what the Rams feel like.

[Colin Cowherd]

They are, right.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

They've got arguably the best wide receiver in the league in Puka. You know, they've got the reigning mvp, they've got the defensive player like they're loaded. And everybody says they're winning the Super Bowl. Colin, you. You've been doing this long enough. In June when we say, oh, yeah, they're winning the Super Bowl. How often does that happen?

[Colin Cowherd]

It doesn't, you know, in fairness, it does not happen a lot. It's a very humbling league. Kansas City, I would say this New England, during their run had a lot of years that they were bringing the band back together. And Kansas City for about a three to four year stretch felt like they should be favored again. We had a lot of doubters, but I would say during the, during the Cowboys run, when they started taking over the league, you kind of felt, okay, the Cowboys are the best team. I think during the Niners run, I can remember this with Joe Montana and Bill Walsh. There weren't a lot of teams in that class. So now, now sometimes what happens in the NFL is the dynasty doesn't last. Like, oh, the Seahawks, remember the Russell Wilson Seahawks? We thought they were going to run, run the league for about five years and then they go to the super bowl twice and it's like, oh, or that, that happens where stuff gets shorted quickly. Like Philadelphia is a prime example. Last several years, we're like the best roster. They go, they win, they, they underachieve. I do think when you get rosters as good as the Eagles or right now as good as the Seahawks last year or as good as the Rams right now, I think you can identify very early in the season. Now, we've been saying this about Denver the last several years. Man, they got a lot of good players. I mean, San Francisco say what you want, even though they've been injury plagued, when they're healthy, you look at the Niners and they're like, man, they got hall of Famers here. So I do think you can identify in the NFL. I don't think it's that hard to project division winners or playoff teams. I mean, if you have an A coach and an A quarterback, I mean, you're already in an upper tier. So McVay and Stafford are still the heartbeat of the team. Not Myles Garrett, the soul of the team is still highly, I mean, highly skilled, highly intelligent, offensive productive stars. McVeigh and Stafford and Puka, and they're

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

going to be great. We would all agree, as long as Stafford's healthy, Stafford's the only weak link. If he goes down, forget about it. I don't want to hear the Ty Simpson stuff. But you're right. Two years ago, Eagles win the super bowl, crush the Chiefs, and everybody thinks the Eagles are going to run it back. They didn't even come close, you know, so this is difficult. NFL, they're going to have a target on their back. I know right now they're favored in 16 games, but come that Week 16 game at Seattle, if the Seahawks aren't playing like, you know, super bowl, the defending super bowl champs Rams will be favored in that one, too. There's not going to be 17 games. I don't know. What would you say the win total is for them? We don't have to go through every game.

[Colin Cowherd]

But no, let me look.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

I mean, at Philly is not going to be easy after at Denver, I

[Colin Cowherd]

think 13 and 4, you know, the over under should be a 12 and a half. 12 and a half. I mean, to be honest with you, just on common sense, I take the underground. I, I never take the, you know, you generally speaking, take the under on all these bets. I, I look at that schedule and I'd say the over under should be. Well, what is the over under right now?

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

I think It's, I think 11 and a half is the highest.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'd probably take the over. If it's 12 and a half, I'd take the under.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

So after the buy, right, the league gives them the buy. After that, Packers, Chiefs, Niners, probably three of them. Like seven best teams in the league. Cowboys may not be pushovers. So I definitely think the under. I don't even know if they'll be the number one seed.

[Colin Cowherd]

So right now I do think they'll

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

win the Super Bowl.

[Colin Cowherd]

Rams are eleven and a half. I would take the over. Eleven and a half. I take the over. Twelve and a half. I would take the under. They are eleven and a half today. I think twelve and five feels about right.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

Look at all those prime time games early in the season. All right, let's move on to the other big trade this week. And that was the A.J. brown, obviously A.J. brown going to the Patriots. Colin Jordan Mylotta, the left tackle of the Eagles spoke and honestly, this is one of the best soundbites I've heard the entire off season. Here's Jordan Mailata on the AJ Brown trade.

[Jordan Mailata]

This is more of a, you know, sounds terrible, but like, thank God it's over. You know, it was a slow pain of just, is he in, Is he out? You know, we didn't really know and that really wasn't our focus as a team. Our team, especially at the offense. We got to keep these walls moving. We got new guys coming in, we've got rookies coming in again. We've got to build that culture.

[Colin Cowherd]

Phillies fine. I think they're receiving core with Devontae Smith, Makai, Lemon, they're above average at tight end. I think they're fine. I don't worry about Philadelphia at all. Like I said, everybody's going to talk about the Rams getting Garrett. Cleveland got Jared Verse in three picks. Cleveland did great on that deal, too. Philadelphia moves off AJ Brown, but they got a pick, and they've got. I mean, they've been building their receiving core for a month. Before they did it, they went and got Wicks. They drafted Makai Lemon. Philadelphia is going to be fine. I never worry about Philadelphia. When they don't move the ball, it's generally a coordinator issue, working in conjunction with Jalen Hurts issue. It's not a wide receiver issue. They're fine at that space.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

You could argue that this is addition by subtraction. You know, yes, A.J. brown's great. Yes, he stretches the field, but man, the nonsense, the headaches. I mean, when you've got an offensive lineman saying, thank God it's over, Colin. This is like, everybody can breathe in the locker room now. Hey, we don't need to get that inflatable rabbit for week six. You know, we're good. Everything's fine. Nobody's reading books on the sideline. We have lip readers. I think this is almost like a sigh of relief for Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. I think they're going to be great this year. I. I'll put them in the NFC championship against the Rams.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't have a problem with it. I don't. I. I think they will obviously be better OC I mean, they just. And again, I'm not picking on anybody, but whatever happened last year in the building didn't work. Same with Detroit. It's nothing against Johnny Morton. Whatever was going on in the building in Detroit, at some point, Dan Campbell took over the play calling. So it wasn't working. I don't know why it wasn't working, but it wasn't working. And sometimes, I mean, Bruce Arians and Brady are both great. They got tired of each other. Like, sometimes it's a. It's a clash of personalities. It's a schematic or a stylistic change. You know, Brady wants to beat you with death by a thousand cuts. Arians wants the ball over the top. They're both great, but they just see the world differently. Philadelphia, and I've said this, in the league in 2026, offensive coordinators outside of head coach and quarterback, could be the third most important thing for a football team. Your OC I think Detroit and Philadelphia could make big jumps, not necessarily in win totals. Just much more efficient offensively.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

By the way, that week three Eagles at Bears Monday Night Football. I'm assuming you'll be there. I might be so fired up. I might come watch that game, hang out with you in Chi town. Is it in Indiana this year or Illinois? Which one?

[Colin Cowherd]

Go ask the staff. It's high 80s all week.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

Oh, this week or week three? Week three, it'll be. Bundle up, baby.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, week three. If you've never been to Chicago in the fall, first of all, that's sad. Second of all, you'll have a blast.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

All right, final story is, let's go to the Atlanta Falcons, Colin. They made a big, big signing yesterday. Drake London, one of the better receivers in the league. Huge four year, $141 million extension. According to his agent, he's averaging 35.3 million a year, which puts him third in the league behind JSN and Jamar Chase. He got $100 million guaranteed that. It is really good to be Drake London today. Colin. Nice round, number 100. Milli.

[Colin Cowherd]

I can remember when my friend Gavin at USC who was involved in the recruiting and I, at this time, we didn't have nil, so I was really into high school college football recruiting. And there was a kid in California named Drake London. And I asked Gavin, I said, he goes, he is the most underrated player in the state of California. He's a basketball player. He said, Drake London is going to be a first round. And he was 17 or 18. He goes, we're taking this kid named Drake London. He goes, he's gonna be unbelievable. And I went and looked at his high school stuff, and he was kind of slender, but great kid, hard, hard worker. And my buddy Gavin said, this kid, people have no idea how good he is. And here he is all these years later.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

So the only bummer for London is he doesn't even know his quarterback's gonna be this year to be Penx or tua. And you know, you can pay your wide receiver a ton of money. It's not an issue when you don't have a quarterback getting paid. Okay, I, I don't know what to do with the Falcons this year. They're. Don't you tell me. Always avoid them and gamble.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, no, I have I. In my life. They are. They're like a, a, a, a mobile atm. It just takes a. It doesn't give me money. It's the, it's the opposite of an atm. It just takes money from me. I've never been able to get a beat on Atlanta Ever. I know the Braves are great this year but I never know what I'm getting from the Falcons week to week. Even the teams that are good by the time I fall in love with them they tail off. I have lost more money.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

I like the coach I like I

[Colin Cowherd]

like to fancy I think the owner's stable the coach is great. I think Pennington similar styles. I think their offensive personnel is excellent now they have a pass rush there's a. I mean if they won their division and won 11 games I would not be shocked and if they won seven I wouldn't be surprised either. And you never have a beat on the Falcons.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

You see the highest paid receivers in the league Drake London third is going to now this is average per year. I don't know that he's a top four five receiver again. You know JSN Chase, Justin Jefferson and Lamb are kind of up there in a group of their own. Brown's really good. I don't know if A.J. brown is like top I might take drake London over AJ Brown. I probably take London over Terry McLaren. DK Metcalf.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah he's a top 1012 receiver. I, I have no for sure I have no problem paying Drake London. He's been productive day one in the league in, in in some chaotic situations at quarterback. I have no no problem paying Drake London. JMAC with the news.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

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[Colin Cowherd]

God, I got, I got so much stuff here in front of me. Things are happening here. Just see the first Chicago Bear ever on the COVID of Madden. Caleb Williams says it's a childhood dream. He is well I mean he was called the first Gen Z quarterback so he's the first quarterback on the COVID of Madden Trends on Google and takes over Tik Tok and good for Caleb Williams. Les need GM of the Rams around the corner, Frank Isola. We're going to New York, top of the hour. I'll give you my top 10. You know we always do this for the biggest games. I get out the yellow pad, grab a pen and in order gives me a sense of who's going to win the finals, who are the top 10 players and the order of the NBA finals. And it is really interesting live in Chicago. It's the Herd.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's his 15th year being the GM of the Rams and in the last nine seasons seven playoff appearances including two Super bowl appearances. And after the Miles Garrett trade they are Overwhelming favorites to get back to at least the conference championship game. And many after the Garrett move. And we liked them pre Garrett move. It even feels more emboldened. And Les need is joining us live from his office in Los Angeles. I don't know if you're a GM or a Park casting director. It's star after star after star. Let's start with Miles Garrett. Less. When I read a story in March, they reworked his deal and that, that was about the time you guys kind of all sat down. Take me back to March. When the conversations on Miles started was

[Les Snead]

in March when they did rework his deal. It was not a major rework. It was, it was the Browns pushing a bonus that he was owed in terms, in terms of when you pay that bonus from. Let's call it March till more, closer to the season. So whether that was a signal or not, I've never asked Andrew.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hey.

[Les Snead]

Why they did that or didn't. But you know what? Maybe, maybe there's a possibility that we, you know, that Miles could be available. So we knocked on the door. I think I've said this many a times over the last probably 24 hours. Miles is going to be on the Cleveland Browns, Mount Rushmore, whenever that is. And so it was a, it was an easy no for Cleveland, Andrew Cleveland. It was like, you know what, it's better for Miles to be a Cleveland Brown than an LA Ram. But we kept knocking, we kept knocking, we kept knocking. And, and, and we were able to finally get something done over the course of about a five to six week process.

[Colin Cowherd]

So listen, I know how much you guys like Jared Verse. I know how much time you put into drafting, scouting. How hard was it? And I, and I imagine it was brutal. How hard was it to say, okay, we'll include Jared Verse in the deal?

[Les Snead]

Well, I think, Colin, we, we tried to get the deal done via just draft picks. That was, that's what we were trying to do. Then the draft comes and goes. Continue trying to do that. Late in the down, Cleveland mentioned it would take Jared Verse to get the deal done. And that was a no for us. Right? It was at that point. Wait a minute. Jared's been a big part of who we are, who we've become since we drafted him, since we started retooling that defense, because that way he was just a piece of our puzzle that we weren't planning to, we were planning to have him for a long time. So like a lot like initially when we called Cleveland, it was a no. Initially when Cleveland asked for Jared Verse, it was a no. Over time, though, as it got closer to June 1st and it was going to be, hey, are we going to do this or not? Jared was, Jared was something they were definitely demanding and we had to make that difficult choice, which was very, very difficult for us.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Stan Kroenke, who I know a little bit, ultimately you have to go to Stan on the biggest moves and the super bowl is in la. And I said the other day, I said, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, it's in la, Stan's Baby Sofi Stadium. You know, if you're arguing back and forth, you know, it's, it's a darn good place to end up in a Super bowl when it's your home stadium. When you, when you called Stan on this or if you did and said, hey, this is, this is a big move, did you guys talk to your owner?

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

It's definitely.

[Les Snead]

And I think that's, that's very important. Talk about Colin, because when you make a move like this, and you got to remember this, this is, this occurred in June. We didn't knock on their door until free agencies over. So, you know, this was, this was an opportunity we decided to seize, but it wasn't something we planned for. And we had already gone through kind of a free agency plan when we traded for Trent and then we signed his co pilot as partner in Kansas City in free agency. So that's, you know, having Stan, having his family as ownership, they've always allowed, you know, allowed us to be flexible, be a little bit out of the box. They're the one that, they're the ones that, you know, provide us the ecosystem and give us a thumbs up to do this. So a major shout out to them. I can say this having the super bowl and so far is a nice coincidence. We're probably all greedy. We probably show up and play a Super bowl anywhere. And I can say this to Colin, this is, this is June 1st, double entendre, not intended. We still got miles to go before that game. That's kind of how our ecosystem works. We're well aware that, right. We were close last year. There's. That's evidence that, right. With Matthew Stafford, with our core right, we can contend, but I always go evidence is the past, the future still the future. We got to go earn that. We got to take that a day at a time. Just because we do something or make a major move like this on June 1st, it guarantees nothing in the future.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Sean McVay keeps very close to certain players, Andrew Whitworth has been unbelievably valuable to you guys. You bounce stuff off him with young offensive linemen. Andrew's just a great guy. I know that Sean and Aaron Donald have a very strong relationship. I saw that story come out yesterday, and you see a million stories, and I'm like, I don't know. He retired early. I could see it happening. I go to his Instagram page. He's not on the beach drinking cocktails. He's working out every day. I'm like, yeah, Calais Campbell's 39. He's still good. When you heard that story with Aaron Donald, Come on, be honest.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

First.

[Les Snead]

First thought was, here's what I do think. I don't think Aaron's truly been tempted to come back since he's retired. I do think, right. The. Let's call it the excitement around the Miles Garrett trade. I'm thinking he's tempted. He's really tempted for the first time now, whether that temptation leads to. Leads to, you know, comes to fruition or not, time will tell. That's just how Aaron is, I think. I think, hey, if Aaron were to come back, I'm like you. If Kalis can do it at 39, Aaron can do it at 35 in some form or fashion. I know this about Aaron Donald. At his core. He wouldn't come back unless he thought, you know what? I could really, really, really help the Rams. That's just how he's wired. That's his. That's. That's. That's in his DNA.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Finally missing a workout.

[Les Snead]

He's never missed a workout.

[Colin Cowherd]

Colin, that's that guy. He is one on one. I mean, there's been four or five NFL defensive players in my life. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald. It's a pretty short list. They're just different. And that cat is just different. I got to ask you. I got to ask you about Ty Simpson here. Have you gotten a little look, little taste, a little. You got anything for me on Ty Simpson? Because I defended that move. I totally understand it. Watched a ton of them in college. Have you seen it? What are you seeing?

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

We're early.

[Les Snead]

We're just getting on the field. Just doing 11:11. Remember, this is 11:11 without pads. You can appreciate what Ty's going through in terms of coming in as a rookie and has to learn, right. An offense where Sean and his offense with Matthew at the helm. I mean, this isn't. This isn't a. I call it an undergraduate level outfit here. I mean, this is at the PhD level, so you can always see the rookies, you know, have to go through just to be able to ingest the offense, digest it, and then process it on the field. But as we've gone into some 7 on 7, some 11 on 11, right, you've seen some of those Ty Simpson moments, some of the passes that he made. I call it the anticipation. So that's always really, really cool to see from a rookie, because it's not. This is not an easy ecosystem for a rookie to come in and let's call, earn equity and trust.

[Colin Cowherd]

Les, it's great seeing you. As always. Congrats on the moves. Cross your fingers on Aaron Darnold and say hi to Sean for me.

[Les Snead]

I will do that.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right. Last need, 15th year GM of the LA Rams. Yeah, Aaron Donald's just different. Like, he is. I remember one time, I think I was at a USC game or something when I'm on the sidelines and I look over and see Aaron Donald, and it's just like. I mean, you know, I always said this about Deion Sanders. I remember watching Dion at Florida State and there was a game and I've looked, I've tried to find the video, and I can't find it on YouTube. But at the time that he was at Florida State, like the Miami Hurricanes and Florida State, they were like the athlete rosters, like the fastest guys in college football. And I remember it's. I think I was at the Palace Station in Las Vegas. I literally was in Vegas, and it was like a punt return. And Deion Sanders is pulling away from the fastest Miami Hurricanes. I mean, like, he's taunting them, unlike a punt return, or maybe it was an interception. But he's taunting Hurricane players who are faster than everybody. Aaron Donald next to big, tough guys. Like, there's a Mike Tyson quality. Even in a room of tough guys, everybody's like, yeah, I don't want a piece of that. I got no interest in that. Aaron Donald is just different. So top 10 players in the NBA Finals. Frank Isola, been covering the Knicks a long time, is going to be joining us. Man, it is. I'm trying to think of the last NBA Finals. Maybe it was LeBron against the Warriors. I'm trying to think of the last NBA Finals. I was this geeked up. I was telling my wife yesterday, I'm like, it. This one feels big. Certain stuff feels big before they. Before they toss it up. I mean, there was a couple of those. That Warriors CAVS final when LeBron won a title. What was interesting about that. Four or five of the games were blowouts. The games were awful. If you go back and look, you know, the three point shot was coming into its own, was taken over the league. There were a lot of awful blowouts in that series. I think, I think you're going to have close games in this series because I think that it's hard to blow the spurs away because they, they're defensively, they can make things very difficult. And I think we're, I think we're going to, I think we're going to have four or five really close games. That's my take.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

Warriors, Celtics. A few years ago, that was good. Curry against Tatum Brown.

[Colin Cowherd]

No, but it didn't have the hype because the Knicks feel different than everybody and, and it was an older version of the Warriors. It wasn't the best version of the war. It was the old warrior. These are the young spurs with young Wy and the Knicks. I mean, the Celtics have been good most of my life. The Knicks haven't really been good since the Pat Riley years and they haven't won titles since Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed.

[J Mac (sports analyst, co-host)]

There's a, there's a whiff of Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox with the Knicks. Like those teams had not been to the World Series forever. They get there. Oh my gosh, you know, all the old timers are geeked. But this, I mean you saw the numbers for Thunder Spurs, Western Conference finals. I mean, I think it was 15 million, almost 16 million. So this, this final is going to be a big one for the league. Adam Silver, by the way, doing cartwheels that SGA and the Floppers are at home and Wemby is in the finals against the number one media market.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, yeah, it's not as much market size anymore. I mean, the Utah Jazz and the Chicago Bulls put up massive numbers. It was the story, it was the little Jazz, it was the legendary MJ flu games, stuff like that. It's not really market size, although I do think the Knicks market helps them. But I mean, San Antonio, we don't think of it as a captivating market, but unlike previous spurs teams, is a captivating team because their ceiling is so dang high. Hour two next. This is an iHeart podcast.

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