THE HERD - Hour 1 - The Chiefs Dynasty may be over, thoughts on the Bears success, Sean McVay

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 1 Summary

Episode Date: November 17, 2025
Main Themes: The Kansas City Chiefs' dynasty outlook, the Chicago Bears' emergence, and a breakdown of the dramatic Seahawks-Rams game with Sean McVay.

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Episode Overview

In this hour of The Herd, Colin Cowherd delivers his signature blend of bold opinions and incisive sports analysis, focusing on the Kansas City Chiefs’ apparent decline, the suddenly legitimate Chicago Bears, and the wild, tactically rich Seahawks-Rams game. The episode features notable insights on team dynamics, salary cap realities, and coaching impact, plus a candid interview with Rams head coach Sean McVay.

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Key Discussion Points

Chiefs' Dynasty: Is It Over? (03:08–08:24)

• Colin argues the Chiefs' reign in the AFC West is over, citing their struggles against playoff-caliber teams.
  • Chiefs’ recent losses: Jags, Eagles, Bills, Denver, Chargers—all playoff teams.
  • Wins have come against weaker opponents (Raiders, Commanders, Giants, Lions).
• Salary cap realities are catching up. Even though Mahomes isn't the highest cap hit, stars like Travis Kelce are aging and major defenders like Chris Jones are declining.
• Denver, led by Bo Nix and Sean Payton, now has superior units across the board—better offensive line, pass rush, and deeper receiving corps.
• Notable quote:
  • “Denver manipulated Kansas City in that final drive… The dynasty’s over for Kansas City.” (Colin Cowherd, 04:49)
• Margin for error is shrinking:
  • Chiefs went from winning eleven one-score games last year to now losing them.

[Bo Nix on Beating the Chiefs] (08:04)

“If you want to be the best, you got to beat the best. And, you know… if you’re scared, go to church.”
(Bo Nix, 08:04)

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Chicago Bears' Success – Is It Sustainable? (08:24–13:04)

• Colin defends the 7-3 Bears, countering claims their style is unsustainable.
  • Outperformed the Vikings on third down, rushed for 140 yards, dominated time of possession, won turnover margin.
  • “That feels sustainable to me… Denver’s winning ugly. Philly’s winning ugly. The Jags always win ugly.” (Colin Cowherd, 08:46)
• Offensive reality check: Bears are top 2 in rushing attack, 4th in total offense, and in the top 10 in yards per play.
• Problem areas: Too many penalties, but that can be corrected more easily than foundational issues.
• Bears’ run game, ball security, and ability to take the ball away are all “legit.”
• Division context: The Vikings are lost offensively, Green Bay is inconsistent, and Detroit’s offense isn’t the same with Ben Johnson’s departure.
• Comparison to other successful teams: Bears are playing tough, running the ball, and eliminating negative plays – which is the backbone of sustainable winning football.

[Caleb Williams on Bears’ team mentality] (12:37)

“It doesn’t matter when, it doesn’t matter how, it doesn’t matter who. ... We live in the known. ... We got to get better throughout the game. But… we know we’re going to make the plays at the right moment, the right time, and… go win the game.”
(Caleb Williams, 12:37)

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The Seahawks-Rams Showdown – Contrasts in Style (13:04–25:36)

• Colin introduces the Rams as “the Floyd Mayweather of football”—clean, technical, tactically mature.
• The Seahawks, by contrast, are “the Tyson type”—raw, athletic, high risk, high reward.
• Despite four Sam Darnold interceptions, Seattle was nearly able to steal the game due to their athleticism and relentless style.
• If Stafford (Rams) threw four picks, it would’ve been a blowout loss; for Seattle, it almost didn’t matter.
• Game imbalance: Rams control games with discipline, Seahawks inject chaos and keep coming at defenses.
• Repeated point: Seattle, with their wild, athletic roster, is the last team you’d want to face in the playoffs.

[Ernest Jones defends Sam Darnold] (24:03)

“Sam’s been balling. ... Sam’s been had us in every game. ... It’s football, man, and he’s our quarterback. We got his back.”
(Ernest Jones, 24:03)

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49ers and Brock Purdy's Return (25:42–28:58)

• Quick hit: Brock Purdy’s return powers a dynamic San Francisco offense.
• Purdy’s mobility and rapport with George Kittle (“symmetry” between the two) elevate the offense compared to when Mac Jones is at the helm.
  • “They average four more points a game with Brock than they do Mac.” (Colin Cowherd, 26:47)
• Christian McCaffrey on Purdy:

  “He was vintage Brock. ... To come back in the middle of the year and do what he did today is extremely impressive.”
  (Christian McCaffrey, 27:20)

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Chargers Brutal Loss to Jaguars & Injury Woes (28:58–31:44)

• Chargers look lost against Jacksonville:
  • “It was a no-show from the Chargers… the worst loss of the Jim Harbaugh era.” (J. Mac, 29:09)
  • Offensive line injuries and brutal schedule ahead likely spell “no playoffs,” according to Colin.
• Harbaugh’s blunt assessment:

  “We got beat every which way you could possibly be beat. ... We got beat every which way you could get beat.”
  (Jim Harbaugh, 31:05)

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Shadour Sanders’ NFL Debut: Room to Grow (31:53–34:43)

• Shedeur Sanders struggled but showed promise in relief. Colin dismisses excuses about lack of first team reps, citing other QBs who’ve excelled with little prep.
• Notable moment: Sanders’ confidence postgame:

  “I know I’m made for it. ... I was just excited because I knew, I knew what I was going to be able to do out there.”
  (Shedeur Sanders, 32:22)

• Balanced analysis: “He looked a little overwhelmed… but it’s fine. It’s not the end of the world. He had a bad pick. Darnold had four. It happens.” (Colin Cowherd, 34:43)

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Eagles Win Ugly…but Win (36:30–38:28)

• Eagles keep winning with “submission-style” football. Colin compares their dynasty to the “boring” Tim Duncan Spurs, winning with attrition, not flash.
• Lane Johnson’s injury is a big blow: “Hurts’ passer rating gets into the 70s without Lane Johnson.”
• Head Coach Nick Sirianni on ugly wins:

  “There’s something to be said for… knowing how to win and knowing how to figure out ways to win.”
  (Nick Sirianni, 38:10)

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Sean McVay Interview: Postgame Reflections (44:05–52:39)

Sean McVay on Rams’ Identity and Energy (44:05)

• Team resilience:

  “Never take for granted finding a way… being so resilient defensively. … This group, finding different ways to be able to win.”
  (Sean McVay, 44:05)

• Team feeds off McVay’s intensity:

  • “I love this group. They energize me, Colin. ... Our defense kept making them snap it one more time... being good in crunch time...” (Sean McVay, 45:05)

Rams’ Defensive Masterclass vs. Darnold (46:30)

• McVay details how coordinated pass rush and coverage made Darnold late

  “It’s the epitome of rushing coverage playing together. … He gets sped up with rushing coverage. ... That’s why I always think stats are for losers.”
  (Sean McVay, 46:30)

Navigating Game Rhythms and Frustrating Lulls (47:59)

• Rams offense had long stretches without the ball but stayed focused.

  “You’ve had five plays in what’s probably real time, an hour and a half… it is frustrating.”
  (Sean McVay, 47:59)

Stafford’s Maturity and Impact (49:09)

• Remarkable stat: “Last 7 games, 22 touchdowns, no picks for Stafford.”
• McVay credits Stafford’s experience and intelligence:

  “He’s so grateful to be able to get the win. ... He’s just doing a great job of understanding the totality of how the game’s supposed to be played.”
  (Sean McVay, 49:34–50:19)

Philosophy on Analytics vs. Game Feel (50:19)

• McVay does use analytics, but “there are moments…where I just want to see men make plays.”

  “Analysts, they got all the answers and no accountability to the outcomes… There’s 22 moving parts.”
  (Sean McVay, 50:51)

Leadership on a Young Defense (51:45)

• Rams have captains on all three defensive levels, with several players stepping up as leaders.

  “Our team’s got a lot of guys with those natural traits and characteristics.”
  (Sean McVay, 51:48)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Denver manipulated Kansas City in that final drive… The dynasty’s over for Kansas City.” (Colin Cowherd, 04:49)
• “If you want to be the best, you got to beat the best. And, you know… if you’re scared, go to church.” (Bo Nix, 08:04)
• “That feels sustainable to me… Denver’s winning ugly. Philly’s winning ugly.” (Colin Cowherd, 08:46)
• “We live in the known. ... We know we’re going to make the plays at the right moment.” (Caleb Williams, 12:37)
• “Sam’s been balling... and he’s our quarterback. We got his back.” (Ernest Jones, 24:03)
• “They average four more points a game with Brock [Purdy] than they do Mac.” (Colin Cowherd, 26:47)
• “We got beat every which way you could possibly be beat.” (Jim Harbaugh, 31:05)
• “He was vintage Brock.” (Christian McCaffrey, 27:20)
• “There’s something to be said for… knowing how to win and knowing how to figure out ways to win.” (Nick Sirianni, 38:10)
• “Never take for granted finding a way… this group, finding different ways to be able to win.” (Sean McVay, 44:05)

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Most Memorable Moments

• Colin definitively declaring the Chiefs dynasty over and anticipating Denver as the top dog in the AFC West.
• The contrast between the Bears’ “ugly but legit” success and the traditional standards of what winning “should” look like.
• Sean McVay’s energetic, detailed analysis of the Rams’ big win, and candid talk about leadership, analytics, and the intangibles of coaching.

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:08] Chiefs’ dynasty discussion begins
• [08:04] Bo Nix postgame quote
• [08:24] Bears’ legitimacy examined
• [12:37] Caleb Williams postgame quote on Bears
• [13:04] Rams-Seahawks deep dive
• [24:03] Ernest Jones on Sam Darnold
• [25:42] 49ers and Brock Purdy
• [27:20] McCaffrey on Purdy
• [29:09] Chargers' struggles analyzed
• [31:05] Jim Harbaugh postgame reaction
• [32:22] Shedeur Sanders postgame comments
• [38:10] Nick Sirianni on Eagles’ ugly wins
• [44:05] Sean McVay postgame interview start

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Tone & Style

• Colin Cowherd’s signature: opinionated, insightful, conversational, and occasionally contrarian.
• Guests and players speak with conviction, confidence, and a healthy dose of competitive belief.
• Rams coach Sean McVay is candid, energetic, and thoughtful throughout his interview.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode offers a sharp, entertaining dissection of the NFL’s ebbing and emerging powers, highlighting how team-building philosophies, quarterback play, and fine coaching margins are shaping the league’s landscape. Fans get a front-row seat to current football storylines and the relentless pursuit of excellence behind every “ugly” win.

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Transcript

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Caleb Williams]

Now let's get this party started.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, we got a Monday show. We got a Monday show. We're live in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, whatever the platform is. Sean McVeigh of the Rams, Lincoln Riley of the Trojan stops by. They got a big one with Oregon. Colin right? Colin wrong. One hour from now. J. Mac, you have been down on Kansas City all year and it appears you were right. You know, this is to be the best. You got to beat the best.

[J. Mac]

You may have to scrap the word. Colin was wrong segment. What are you going to mention? The Blazing five Big guy?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that later. So let's start start with this. That was the kind of game that we have been watching for the last five years, Denver and Kansas City. And you had this sinking feeling Kansas City would figure it out. Andy Reid was off a buy, they got a couple trick plays, they'll figure it out. But it was actually Denver that I felt would win the game. And Denver manipulated Kansas City in that final drive. Kansas City's now lost to the Jags, the Eagles, the Bills, Denver, the Chargers, all playoff teams today.05 against playoff teams and their wins, Raiders, commanders, Giants and whatever the Lions are these days. Listen, some of this is you pay a quarterback big money. You have a limited roster. I mean Sam Darnold team friendly deal. Seattle's young. Look at that roster. Hikes, the track team. Seven of the top eight cap hits in the NFL right now at quarterback, 500 or worse. And the Chiefs have done a really good job to kind of manipulate it. So Mahomes isn't a huge cap hit. But Travis Kelsey, he's on his last legs. Chris Jones is like the 62nd ranked defensive lineman. Everybody at the top of that salary chart there doesn't feel the same. Mahomes doesn't feel the same. So Denver's offensive line clearly better. Denver's run game better. Denver's pass rush not close, better. Denver secondary pretty good. Denver's wide receiver group, I think it's underrated. I like their wide receivers can Be Franklin now and Bo Nicks connect Mims, Courtland, Sutton, the young kid out of Illinois. Like they got, they got dudes. I watched that game and you watch that game, it felt like to me when Denver got the ball at the end, they, they with Bo Nix on that rookie deal and all that length at wide receiver and that dominant offensive line in that pass rush, they had more options and we all saw it coming. I didn't think it was a controversial take when I said the dynasty's over for Kansas City. I said that in August and I said Broncos are going to win the division. You watched it last night. I watched it. Denver has better units, better groups. I mean, Mahomes is going to be better than Bo Nix. But I don't know, I, I, they were in 11 one score games last year. What does that mean? The margins are getting thin. They just won all of them this year. They're losing all of them. But I mean Sean Payton, the way he talked, Bo Nix, the way he played the pass rush, it wasn't disrespectful to Kansas City, but I didn't see any fear. I think Denver, I think Sean Payton, I think Bo Nix, I think Denver knows they have more good players than Kansas City. I think they know they have a better pass rush, they have the best corner, they have deeper wide receivers, they have the better offensive line and I think Denver knows it. I mean, Andy Reid off A bye scored 19 points with Patrick Mahomes off a buy. So I, you know, you pay the quarterback big money like in Buffalo. I don't love the Bills roster. I think Kansas City's done a good job to manipulate them a home salary. But I'm watching Denver and you're watching Denver. Denver's got more good players and, and I, Chris Jones had a sack yesterday, doesn't feel the same. He's an interior defensive lineman. Those guys age quickly. Tight ends outside of George Kittle age quickly. So that final drive to me felt very Mahomes esque. Bo Nix had pass protection he could use the run game. He was running, he was twitchy, he was nimble, he had options. A lot of good wide receiver choices. I mean, it, it, it didn't look like a fluke to me. It looked real. Denver and Sean Payton officially the team to beat in the AFC west. And yesterday they had the Chiefs feel they manipulated the clock, they controlled the outcome. That's what Kansas City did the previous half decade. Here's Bo Nicks after.

[Caleb Williams]

If you want to be the best, you got to beat the best. And, you know, if you're. Some say, if you're scared, go to church.

[Colin Cowherd]

If you're going to play this sport.

[Caleb Williams]

If you're going to play this game for. For too long, you can't really be intimidated or there's really no, no sense in going out there. If you don't believe you're going to win and eventually get to the top, then I feel like you just waste so much time.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so the Chicago Bears are 7 and 3. And here's what I saw yesterday. I heard this. Well, it's not really sustainable. All right, let me look at something real quick with you. Oh, they were. They were better than the Vikings on third down. They rushed for 140 yards. They never turned it over and they dominated time of possession. That feels sustainable to me. Well, it's ugly. Well, Denver's winning, ugly. Phillies winning, ugly. The Jags always win ugly. Chicago's got the second best rushing attack in the league, fourth in total offense, top 10 in yards per play. Those are the numbers Vegas cares about. That feels legitimate to me. Their number one issue is actually, and you have this with young teams. You saw it yesterday with Seattle. You've seen it with Green Bay. The problem is too many penalties. Well, you got a new coach. He's young. You got a new quarterback with this coach. Who's young. He's young. They make mistakes, but you can clean that up. You can't create a lousy run game and turn it into a great run game. By Thanksgiving, I can take a team that has too many penalties and clean it up by Thanksgiving. So, I mean, Chicago's won seven of eight. It feels totally legit. Who's winning beautifully? Buffalo. No. Denver.

[Caleb Williams]

No.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, I see a young coach, I see a young quarterback. They've got a lot of. I mean, I. They're great in the fourth quarter. It feels very much like Denver to me. Does it not? Young quarterback, great play caller, nice offensive weapons. I mean, I. The Bears defense, they're getting Jalen Johnson back, is the cornerback, but even without him, they take the ball away. So look at their division. For the Bears, who say. People say it's not sustainable. The Vikings are lost offensively. Green Bay wins, but their identity is funky. I'm not sure Matt LaFleur wants to run, but they can't. So they pass reluctantly, but it works. And Detroit, again, Ben Johnson left that offense. Detroit's offense is not the same. They hired within the organization. Not a fan of that. It doesn't look good. So, I mean, Chicago and Caleb, there's too many penalties. They're flawed. But I, I mean, I. Here's what they do. Tell me if this stuff is sustainable. They run the ball as well as almost anybody in the league. They don't turn it over yet. They take it away from you. And they're excellent playing from behind, which has always been a have and have nots line of demarcation. Can you play leading? Can you play trailing? So when you have a great run game, you can play with elite. You can, you can kill the clock. The question is, great run teams often. This was always the knock on Lamar Jackson. Do they play well from behind? I know Chicago does. So I don't get the. Is it sustainable? This league smushes everybody together. The team that always wins close games is Philadelphia. What did you think that was Art last night? You thought that was pretty. Philadelphia only wins ugly. So I mean, I. Ben Johnson. The other thing they do, they've eliminated the negative plays. We talked about that all off season. Remember when Belichick talked about Brady? What's the best part about Brady? He had no negative plays. With Tom, he didn't say Tom's arm or size. Yeah, with Tom, we had no negative plays. It was always second and four, second three. It was never second 22. So Chicago's eliminated the worst thing they did last year, all the negative plays, they don't do them. And I know this sounds very remedial and simple. Here's what the Bears do really well. They go forward. They, they move the ball forward a lot. And that's what Belichick said about Brady. His favorite thing is, yeah, we got rid of it quickly. We didn't take stacks, we didn't have pre snap penalties. So Chicago's got some things to clean up. But to me, when you say it's not sustainable, they run it, they take it away, they don't turn it over. A durable quarterback, great in the fourth quarter. What's not sustainable? Here's Caleb on another W. It doesn't.

[Caleb Williams]

Matter when, it doesn't matter how, it doesn't matter who. It doesn't. We got the guys, we got the coaches. We live in the known. And so when our moment comes, when their moment comes, whoever it is on the team will make the play. And so like I said, we got to, we got to get better throughout the game. But know when it, when it comes down to it, we know we're going to make the plays at the right moment, the right time, and we're going to, you know, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to go win the game.

[Colin Cowherd]

I, I watched that game yesterday and my takeaway is Chicago deserved a win. Chicago was better on third down. Chicago dominated time of possession. Chicago's quarterback is more talented. Like Minnesota doesn't know what they, what they are. Had they lost that game, you'd have felt like, man, they gave one away yesterday. Chicago was the better team with a better identity, the better quarterback and right now a coach who I love this about Ben Johnson. This is where he and Sean McVeigh are similar. Everybody thinks McVeigh and Ben Johnson, they're clever. Yeah. But fundamentally they're tough guys. They like to run the ball and dominate time of possession and play clean football. Rams don't make a lot of mistakes. Caleb doesn't throw a lot of picks. That run game, first thing Ben Johnson did, guard, center, guard, not sexy. Guard, center, guard. Let's develop a run game. They did, they have and it's sustainable. Okay. Seahawks Rams game was nuts. And McVeighs on it was, it was just absolutely nuts. The fact that Seattle was coming down to win the game on a kick with four Sam Darnold ugly picks, three of them really ugly is remarkable. We'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised.

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But Darnold's ability, he's so athletic to ad lib out of plays that fail or play calls that aren't working that it gives Seattle a second, a third, a fourth life. Rams take a lead. They're great on script. They don't have any penalties, they don't make mistakes. They have the greatest punt ever. And here are the flailing Seahawks and Sam Darnold and picks. And they just keep coming at you. It is just a few. A flurry and a fury of athleticism from Seattle. They had over double the first downs in the second and third quarters. Rams never had the ball. So I've been saying this all year. I thought it was going to be a go either way game and I thought it was 28, 27. But the older, mature, wiser brother the Rams beat, the crazy, talented, reckless brother, the Seahawks. But if they played again, I'm not sure who I'd like. Seattle is a young team and young teams can often struggle to find an identity. The Seahawks don't. Darnold strangely fits them perfectly. Stafford quarterbacking, the Seahawks would feel odd. Stafford's got McVeigh and a veteran tight end. Some offensive linemen that have been around and I kind of feel like, you know, Devonte Adams. Old, wise, smart, clean, efficient. Stafford feels like the Rams and exactly what they need yet Darnold, even with four picks, feels like he's a perfect fit for the young, youthful, little more mistake prone Seahawks. By the way, in the Seahawks, three losses, they've had multiple giveaways and they're still all one possession losses. So I mean you get into the octagon with the Seahawks and they're just bringing massive athleticism and they're going to make mistakes and they're going to come at you 100 miles an hour. And I mean I get a Stafford through four picks, I'm like, oh, that Rams would lose. Ugly. Seattle throws four on the road, gets the ball kicked down to the 1 inch line and almost wins it. It's just, they're just. Seattle is just so much athleticism and it's a wildly dynamic team to watch. I the last team I'd want to play in the playoffs, honest God, would be Seattle. They're just coming. You better be prepared for a fight. And Ernest Jones, after the game, linebacker, formerly of the Rams, now the Seahawks, says, don't be banging on Sam Darnold.

[Caleb Williams]

Sam's been balling. Like if we want to try to define Sam by this game or what, man, Sam's been had us in every game. So for him to sit there and say, oh, that's my fault. No, it's not. There was plays that defensively we could have made plays. There were opportunities where we could have got better stops. Yeah, I mean like it's football, man, and he's our quarterback. We got his back. And you got anything to say quite frankly, you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, that, that is Seattle. And again, Rams are more Mayweather. They're a tactician, they're calculated, they're clean, they're efficient, hard to land a punch. Seahawks are swinging from the heels. They're hitting the ball off the tee, about 350 into the woods. Thankfully they have a good rescue club. But it's, there really are, for all the similarities, there were so many good athletes on the field and a couple of times the Darnold interceptions, I was texting a buddy, like he didn't, he saw things late. I mean the Rams do such a good job. Rams have Darnold's number. Rams are now three and oh, this defensive coordinator is three and oh against Sam and Sam saw plays late, he was late on throw. So it's not, it's not osmosis, it's not luck, it's not coincidence. I mean the Rams earned all those interceptions, but it is as similar as they are. They're dissimilar in their, in their flow and function. But that's just one of the craziest games I've seen this year. J. Mac with the news.

[Caleb Williams]

No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herd line news.

[J. Mac]

From one middling quarterback in the NFC west to an elite one, Brock Purdy. Colin, he's back, baby. The turf toe was not an issue for Brock Purdy. He carved up Arizona. Yeah, I believe they scored on eight of 11 possessions. Purdy was magnificent.

[Colin Cowherd]

Even the opening kickoff, they took back 90 some yards. Sky more. I mean, they Niners came out with a massive chip on their shoulder. They, they played about as well as anybody in the league yesterday, despite. I was texting Robert Sala over the weekend and I was congratulating. I'm like, I don't know how you're doing it. You have no players left. And he just loves this team. But if you watch that game, I mean, from the opening kickoff on, San Francisco was in a bad mood.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, I, I would say for sure. Brock Purdy made the offense look crisper than Mac Jones. And I know Mac Jones was good, he was fine.

[Colin Cowherd]

But he lose pocket.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, yeah, that's the other thing, his speed. He had KD McAffrey, Ricky Pierce, all. There was a sighting. He had one catch, Brandon Iuk on deck. I'm just telling you, keep an eye for the Niners as a sleeper. The defense isn't there, as you said, but they could be there just because the offense.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, the other thing is, I don't know what the numbers are. Our guys will look it up. But there is something with Kittle and Brock Purdy. Oh, yeah, there is. Just. You could tell Brock. First of all, Brock moves the pocket. So there's no doubt about that. They average four more points a game with Brock than they do Mack. But there is something with Brock Purdy and George Kittle that feels very authentic. And they're, you know, a lot of these young quarterbacks, they love their tight ends.

[J. Mac]

Well, they hang out. Remember, they would go to warriors games and sit courtside. Here's another guy who hung with him, Christian McCaffrey, talking about Brock Purdy's excellent game.

[Caleb Williams]

He was vintage Brock. Yeah, and that's the, that's a huge compliment. You know, he was poised, made some great plays, made some huge third down throws. Kept us in the game. Was smart the whole game. Like, you know, to miss games like that is really hard. And to come back in the middle of the year and, you know, I think people kind of just watch and like, oh, you know he had a good game, whatever but to, to be out that long and to come in and do what he did today is extremely impressive.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, I, I thought it was and I know you love him but I, I just thought from the Skymore return on Brock was in his own and he went right to his guy Kittle. I, I, I, I think I said this earlier the coaching job by Saleh and Shanahan. Look at all the teams in the league Jason that have fallen apart physically they fall apart now the Niners are inconsistent because again they, they just don't have enough players but boy when they turn it on again this is another team you would not want to face in the playoffs if they were reasonably healthy. They are really exceptionally well coached.

[J. Mac]

Two other reasons to like them, Colin, they had their first 20 yard carry of the season in week 11. They were the last team to get there. I wonder if the return of Purdy just gave the defense different looks. Arizona could not stop them all day and Colin, you look at the schedule down the stretch.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh I did.

[J. Mac]

Carolina and Cleveland up next. The Cleveland game is going to be tough at Cleveland then look at that, the late bye. Yep, that is fascinating because it gives them a chance to recalibrate the health of an IUK a pearsall incorporate new concepts. I think San Francisco's a by team going forward. I think they're a lot to make their wild card. Obviously not going to win.

[Colin Cowherd]

How about that last game of the year with Seattle? Oh my God, how good. That'll be a Fox game. Seattle and San Francisco in Santa Clara. That could be for seating that could be for the playoffs.

[J. Mac]

Should be a really, really good one. Next story. Not as good of a loss. Sorry California team and that's the Chargers. Yeah Colin, heading into their bye week they went to Jacksonville and looked disinterested. It looked like they didn't want to play. The worst loss of the Jim Harbaugh era. They lose 356 to Jacksonville. I mean Jacksonville had 30 first downs. I mean this was staggering. I did not anticipate this. It was just a no show from the Chargers. Well, it's very uncharacteristic for all of us.

[Colin Cowherd]

All Jacksonville games are weird. I mean Jacksonville beat Kansas City. I, you know I, I just wonder how long can you band aid the offense and that's how I look at them now. They're just putting band aids in bondo all over this offense and I think at some point, I mean we know Jacksonville, they've been drafting near the top of the Draft for years. They've got talent. They have two good running backs, they have two good defensive linemen. It's not that Jacksonville doesn't have talent, they kind of lack structure and momentum and culture. But when you watch that game yesterday, you're like, yeah, Jags have ton of really high end players. You can see it. It's not a barrage. They. When you draft top 10 a lot, you get a lot of really good players. And they have them. Yeah.

[J. Mac]

Even more worse news for the Chargers. They got the Eagles on deck. Well, they got the Raiders, then the Eagles, Chiefs, Dallas, Houston's defense, Denver's defense. Colin, that offensive line can't protect Herbert Camp. They're probably not going to make the playoffs and I'm not. I don't think people should overreact. Just because you lose both your tackles, you got no chance. A big breaking news here on another injury of the NFL tackle. These guys are invaluable. If you can't protect your quarterback.

[Colin Cowherd]

Look at the Eagles when Lane Johnson.

[J. Mac]

Lane Johnson, that's the one. He's going, probably going to go in.

[Colin Cowherd]

The IR now Jalen Hurts is 5 and 9 without Lane Johnson. A right tackle, not a left or right. So it's. You lose both elite tackles. I know.

[J. Mac]

Shot.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[J. Mac]

Here, here's Harbaugh in the loss.

[Caleb Williams]

We got beat every which way could possibly be beat. We just weren't doing anything. Well, offensively we weren't, we weren't running the ball well, we weren't protecting, we weren't getting open and defensively, you know, same. We're stopping the run, we're losing coverage. Yeah, I mean go through every phase and we, yeah, we got beat every which way you could get beat. Yeah, we were out physical as well. Every, every, I mean every phase. I mean we can go through it now. We're gonna figure out what we can, what we're gonna do about it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I think their team sometimes can try to fool themselves. I, I think they knew very early in this game they were in big trouble and it just went sideways fast.

[J. Mac]

Yeah, they're getting Hampton back apparently after the bye week. Final story. Colin Shadour Sanders. Everybody take a deep breath. Okay. Dylan Gabriel leads with a concussion. Shedeur Sanders comes in. The stat line wasn't great. 4 of 1647 yards, a pretty brutal interception. Although the offensive line did him no favors. I don't want to pile on the kid. Okay, here's the problem. He takes to the podium after the game. Colin. And take a listen and let me know what you Think of this, it.

[Caleb Williams]

Was a rough day overall, but the thing that I was excited about is just being able to get out there. You know, I feel fulfilled overall when it comes to being out there, practicing, going in between the lines, seeing actually what it's like and I know I'm made for it. You know, I don't think there's a doubt in my mind that final drive was going to go down there. Score, things happen, we didn't. But I was just excited because I knew, I knew what I was going to be able to do out there.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, it's fine. I mean, I listen, there's going to be people that defend him and go, why isn't he taking first team reps? Well, Josh Dobbs went to the Vikings without a practice and threw for 350 yards. Baker Mayfield came to the Rams and had one practice, I think won and had a game winning drive. This idea, he's been with a team for six months, like he's ready to play. You don't need first team reps. I got all sorts of guys in the NFL. Joe Flacco shows up in Cincinnati and an hour later he's throwing touchdown passes. He's fine. He had a couple spin moves that I liked. He had a good throw deep. There's not much to be made from it. I. Listen, I will say this. Dylan Gabriel had stabilized the offense the last couple of weeks and this coaching staff prefers Dylan Gabriel based on who they're playing. And I think Shedeur looked looser than Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel is what he is, knows what he is. I thought Shedeur, you know, gets a little negative running backwards, maybe thinks he's a little more athletic than he is. He was fine. But I don't, I don't buy into the, I don't buy into the excuses. Well, what about the first team reps? Josh Dobbs won a game with no practices, joining Minnesota. This kid's at 100 practices with the team. He knows the offense.

[J. Mac]

If you look at some different angles on the interception, the Ravens had a guy blitz right up the middle untouched. And Shadour just kind of, he had no chance on the pick. So I'm not going to bury him. I'll say this though. They faced the Raiders this week in Vegas. Now obviously the Raiders have Crosby, who's very good, but the Raiders are having a short week, right? They play tonight. There's a world where if Shador starts, he has some success. I'm not going to rule out that Shadour has a good first start. If he faces the Raiders this week. They're not good. We know that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I mean I, I don't have. He had a really nice spin move and then the next play threw a corner ball to the end zone. That was beautiful. So he had back to back plays. I was like, oh, that's nice. He also had a completion. Now Jerry Judy did most of the work but again it was, it was fine. He looked a little overwhelmed. The knock on him, one of the knocks out of college was he tends to run backwards. He did that once where he ran backwards. So it was fine. It's not the end of the world. He had a bad pick. Darnold had four. It happens. But I don't buy this. Well, where are all the reps with the first team guys? Backups are backups for a reason. I mean I just. You don't get a lot of reps with the first team in life. You're going to get opportunities because somebody's sick at work. You're not going to get a lot of reps with the first team employees. That's the way the world works. Jay McLennu. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd line news. It's interesting. J. Mack talked about that. George Kittle and Purdy hang out together and you could watch yesterday. You can tell they just, they've got something works. Brock Purdy has a 141 passer rating in his career when targeting George Kittle. So it's very obvious that's the one thing Purdy moves better than Mac Jones and he and Kittle, there's a symmetry and it just jumps through the tv. So okay, the, the you all Eagle games should come with a Red Bull so it keeps all of us awake. They're kind of really good and really boring and now it'll get worse because Lane Johnson is out for several weeks. It's not season ending but he'll be out a month plus. And Jaylen Herz's passer rating gets into the 70s without Lane Johnson. So I thought the Spurs Tim Duncan dynasty was boring. Philadelphia wins all feel like they're doing it by submission. So they're second most three and outs, top three in punts and yet they just kind of squeeze you. They got a little bit like a python. They just kind of squeeze you to death. And last year at least you were getting those Saquon Barkley big explosive runs. You don't get those. Their bottom five in passing offense, man, were they targeting A.J. brown last night? So it's not much fun. It's got an assembly line feel to it. In fact, Jalen hurts is four and oh this year in his four worst games. So they're unlike Buffalo, which feels very beholden to how Josh Allen plays. Philadelphia can win ugly. That's kind of the only way they win, by submission. And there's the old saying. Bill Belichick used to always say his genius as a defensive coach was I want to make the other team play left handed. I want to take away their strength. What is Philadelphia's strength? I mean, A.J. brown got the targets, but Devonte has been more reliable. Saquon Barkley's great, but not this year. Jalen doesn't throw a lot of picks. He also doesn't throw for a lot of yards. I, I mean their defensive interior line could be their ident. They're great. So Saquon Barkley's regressed. There's wide receiver drama, the quarterbacks limited. They squeeze into submission. They're not even tush pushing much. Here's Nick Ceriani on the win. As I watch football today, I feel like I saw a lot of like.

[Caleb Williams]

Teams waiting to lose, our teams waiting.

[Colin Cowherd]

To win because they know how to win. There's something to be said for that, you know, of, of of knowing how to win and knowing how to figure out ways to win.

[Caleb Williams]

Do we want things to be better? Yeah, of course we.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's. You're in a constant quest of getting better. Well, speaking of winning, the Rams did again. Stafford plays another clean game. Sean McVay Next, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Breaking news not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones, it's funny and uplifting. Podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good. Each episode features real stories of kindness, of barbers changing more than just their client's haircut, of the secret life, of leftover hotel soap, of vending machines that dispense just the help somebody needs, like magic. If you're tired of outrage, if your thumbs are sore from doom scrolling, or if you just need a reason to smile again, this podcast is your new favorite scroll break. It's heartfelt, hopeful, a gentle reminder. Goodness is still out there. Surprisingly contagious too. So put down your phone, pick up your faith in humanity and join Jenna for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. Listen to the ripple effect on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Sean McVay]

Never take for granted finding a way, just being able to be so resilient defensively. What a blessing offensively for us to be able to learn from, from this and continue to grow. But man, this group, finding different ways to be able to win.

[Caleb Williams]

Can't say enough about it.

[Sean McVay]

Camp kitchens get one baby.

[Colin Cowherd]

Joins us live. Sean McVeigh, I gotta tell you, I one of the things that jumped through the TV screen was the energy. Mike and I said this last week. I said this. John Snider wanted to hire you. He was looking for Sean McVeigh and he kind of found you on defense. I do think your intensity, actually it's like a baton to your team. Your team plays with your energy. I think Seattle plays with Mike's energy. What jumped through the TV to me is the game had mistakes, but you're on the sideline of that game. It didn't feel like a lot of games I've seen this year. It felt juiced. It felt energized to you?

[Sean McVay]

Yeah, it. Well, I'll tell you what, I love this group. They energize me, Colin. And I tell you just the way that these guys stay connected. It was a unique game. There wasn't a lot of possessions and plays that the offense had, but our defense kept making them snap it one more time. Forcing turnovers, tightening up in the red area, being good in crunch time situations, guys stepping up, Ethan Evans, you know, so we're finding different ways to win. We've had examples where we put it all together and then we've had examples where we have to be able to play off of one another and ultimately come away with more points than the other team. And that's a great football team. But I was fired up for our group and I just love the resolve of this team and the way that they stay connected, most importantly. And I was fired up. My mom's going to be yelling at me for the curse words. I got to be careful having a two year old around. He repeats everything I say, so I got to clean up the language.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Those two year olds are like their parents. They say everything you say. You're going to hear back later. The when you. You guys have had success with Darnold and Sam sometimes can play a little fast, a little frenetic and coach Shula has done that on your staff. Did. I thought a couple of times. My interpretation was Sam saw stuff late. He was just a beat late. Is that scheme coverage, pass rush? Why the success against Sam? Because Sam had played mostly clean this year, but he was late on stuff. What do you, what do you credit that for?

[Sean McVay]

Yeah, well, I think Sam has done a great job and I totally agree how well he's played. I think it's the epitome of rushing coverage playing together. And that's why I always think stats are for losers because we had zero sacks. But those four interceptions were such a great combination of. He gets sped up with rushing coverage. You feel that pocket collapse. He has to deliver the ball earlier than he wants. I mean, you look at Puna Ford coming free. That forces Darius Williams pick. We had a Bunch of examples on all four where it was a combination of he's sped up or he's having to accelerate his process of reading with his feet. And then guys are in windows that maybe they shouldn't be because he's not able to see it and play on the time and rhythm that he wants. But it was a great job by our group as a whole, bringing it to life. And I think you see on all four of those interceptions, the consistent theme is there's a push in the pocket, there's somebody flashing across his face and there's guys connected and in their spots on the back end.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. When you were in the second and third quarters, you guys barely had the ball. When you would talk to Stafford was your sense, listen, let's just play clean, let's not give many short fields here. They're athletic enough. Or were you getting frustrated because that, I mean, there was a. But an hour and a half period where you didn't have the ball much. Is that that cycle that, that period? Yeah. What are you, what are you doing as a coach? Are you like, you're making defensive plays? I'm comfortable with it. Or are you on the headset with Matt and saying, let's try this, this, this. Are you staying on the game plan?

[Sean McVay]

Yeah, I'm with the defense during those things. And then we have dialogue. It was, it was frustrating. Just when you look at it from an offensive vantage point because you know, you have the first four drives of the game where you go right down, you end up, you know, missing on a fourth and one, Then we end up scoring, you score again and then our fourth drive represents a three and out where we didn't do what we were supposed to do. Then the, then the next time we touched, that's with eight minutes left in the second quarter. Then you come back midway through the third quarter and, and you have a two play sequence where we turn it over. So you've had five plays in what's probably real time, an hour and a half. Like you mentioned, it is frustrating and it can get a little misleading when you go back and you watch it. You know, the margin for error slim against a great team like that, but our guy stayed in the fight. And I thought Matthew did a phenomenal job of being able to play the game the way it needed to be played. We didn't able to, we weren't able to sustain drives and just, you know, the possession was how it was. You didn't have as many opportunities, but he took care of the football, got the Ball where it was supposed to go, didn't take negatives. We did some things pre snap. That's uncharacteristic. But we'll look forward to being able to clean this up. And like I said in that locker room, it's a blessing for us to be able to learn from it. Against an excellent outfit like Yesterday was.

[Colin Cowherd]

Last 7 games, 22 touchdowns, no picks for Stafford. Could I. That's crazy. Could I. Could I argue facing your defense in practice with its mobility and flexibility and dexterity, that it actually benefits Matt because he's not facing a defense on the field that's as good as practice? Does that help, in your opinion?

[Sean McVay]

Yeah, I think. I think it helps him, you know, when we do do the few plays a week. But I think he's just playing really well. I think the guys around him are playing well. I think he's really understanding how to be able to play. Like this is where you see the 17 years of experience and understanding. You know, where are those spots that I can be more aggressive? Where can I be smart with the football? I think guys have played well around him. And you know, the best part is, is is he's so grateful to be able to get the win. And I thought he did really what he could relative to how the game unfolded. There was a couple bad plays that I had on some g. On some second down and 10 situations that I didn't help us. But he's just doing a great job of understanding the totality of how the game's supposed to be played. You know, through the quarterback, but from a coach's vantage point. And. And it still is aggressive, but it's not reckless.

[Colin Cowherd]

I want to ask you before we go, you're very progressive, you very much follow the analytics, but there are moments in games where I do, I always call it man analytics, where I just want to see men make plays. I'm not going by the book. I trust my team. I want you viewed as one of the smarter guys in this sport with analytics. Are there ever times that you literally get on the headset or you talk to Matt and you're like, yeah, we're. I'm just going to do this. I just feel this. How do you weigh analytics? 100%.

[Sean McVay]

Well, here's the thing that I would say I have tremendous respect for taking all these things in for the input, but in a lot of instances, they got all the answers and no accountability to the outcomes, you know, and so I do think there's a feel for the flow of the game. There's 22 moving parts that are unpredictable. And it's not just these decisions aren't made in a box, but you're betting on people. You're betting on different scenarios, situations. What are the matchups based on what you're projecting schematically, you know, and so all those things weigh into it. But I thought our 4th down conversions offensively were key and critical. That led to scoring drives, Whether it's our first touchdown from two yards out from Kyren, whether it ended up being a fourth and one run where he goes for 34, and then we end up hitting Devonte two plays later. So guys have done a good job, but it's a part of it. It's not the only part of it, because I just think this game has so many moving parts with 22 variables every single snap.

[Colin Cowherd]

Who's your leader? On defense, it's young. Who's your leader?

[Sean McVay]

Well, we've got great leaders across the board. I think what's cool is we've got captains on all three levels where Kobe Turner, Nate Landman, and then Quentin Lake, you know, they've done a great job, I think, in, you know, innately, some of these guys that are thrust into a leadership role with the communication. Landman's such a great communicator. Quinton Lake's been outstanding, but those three captains. But I could name some other guys that stepped up in a big way. I think the cool thing is we got a bunch of guys that have leadership capacity. Those were the guys that were voted on with captains, but there's a lot of guys, you know, you don't have to be a captain to be a leader. And I think, you know, our team's got a lot of guys with those natural traits and characteristics.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, eight and two. You're humming. You are humming. I would say get some good rest, but that's not you. It's the football season. Four hours. Four hours a day, max, probably. It's great seeing you.

[Sean McVay]

Hey, good to see you, too. Appreciate it.

[Colin Cowherd]

All right, Sean McVeigh on a wild. Crazy. Not a lot of games look like that. Just. It had a ton of juice and a ton of energy and great young players everywhere. Two teams that have drafted extraordinarily well. Sean McVeigh. Colin. Right. Colin. Wrong. Top of next hour. The just such a wild game. You know, we j. Mac and I were talking about this. I thought the Niners yesterday played really well offensively. Brock brings in a dimension they don't have with Mac, But I think what's happening in The NFL right now is if you have a star quarterback like Stafford's a pretty big cap hit. How do the Rams have such a great roster when Stafford's a big cap hit? They've drafted well. It all comes back to the draft. You watch Seattle, man, they have not missed on a lot of draft picks of Philadelphia. Go look at that defensive line, those early draft picks. They have hit on a lot of those. And we could talk about free agency and stars and quarterbacks. The way to win in this league when you have a star veteran quarterback. The Rams are an example. You got to hit on Puka Naku in the fifth round. You've got to go look at the Rams secondary. I mean, they got a safety in the third round. Well, they have a safety that plays that's undrafted. You just have to hit in April on picks. Otherwise all it takes is a couple of missed draft picks. You're paying a quarterback, you look up and you just, you just don't look fast. You don't look twitchy. So Colin right? Colin wrong. And next hour we'll get to the Buffalo Bills. Josh Allen's incredible and it's, it's, you're watching that game yesterday and I know it's historic, but my take is with Josh Allen. He almost normalizes three touchdowns running, three passing. Oh no, not quite. But he almost normalizes it.

[J. Mac]

That's how gifted he is after that loss to Miami. Colin it feels like they're saying, josh, take over. Don't let us lose. You run the show. Do whatever you have to do.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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