THE HERD - Hour 1 - The Dodgers are in trouble, big market teams, J.J McCarthy

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Hour 1 – The Dodgers are in trouble, big market teams, J.J. McCarthy

Date: September 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Colin Cowherd dives into the surprising dynamics of Major League Baseball’s regular season as the playoffs approach, focusing especially on the underperformance of big-market, high-payroll teams like the Los Angeles Dodgers. He explores the myth of money guaranteeing success in sports, reflects on the rise of small and medium-market teams, and discusses the struggles and debates surrounding rookie quarterbacks in the NFL—most notably the Vikings’ J.J. McCarthy. The hour features frank opinions, data-driven observations, and an engaging dialogue with co-host J. Mac.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Baseball's Payroll Paradox and Dodgers Woes

[03:13–08:45]

• Colin opens with reflections on the quirks of Major League Baseball, particularly how high payrolls guarantee nothing come playoff time.
• "The payroll gap matters in the regular season. But once you get to the playoffs, you don't know what's going to happen. No sport is weirder and quirkier than Major League Baseball." (Colin, 04:30)
• Example: $350M Mets versus $119M Reds battling equally for a playoff spot.
• The LA Dodgers, with the league’s highest payroll, continue to blow leads due to bullpen troubles:
  • "Ohtani's amazing, Mookie's hitting—and they can't close out games they should win. You can't win a World Series with an awful bullpen." (Colin, 06:18)
• Colin argues that the “mo money, mo problems” adage holds true in sports as well.

Notable Quotes:

• "Money never, ever decides everything." (Colin, 07:11)
• "For the millionth straight year, the Jets and Giants stink in New York. And the Packers are good." (Colin, 07:50)

2. Shining the Light on Small and Medium Market Teams

[07:40–09:30]

• Small market teams like the Brewers, Padres, Mariners, and Guardians are outperforming expectations.
• Colin predicts a Brewers vs. Mariners World Series, emphasizing that the old fears of big markets controlling baseball are overblown:
  • "So many people are neurotic, anxiety-filled fatalists. Take a deep breath. It's going to be okay." (Colin, 05:44)
• Even teams like Minnesota (Vikings) are structured for immediate wins, not future rebuilding, challenging the assumption that only big-name markets and high-dollar payrolls breed competitive teams.

3. Vikings Quarterback Debate: J.J. McCarthy vs. Carson Wentz

[09:31–16:15]

• Colin debates whether the Vikings should play rookie J.J. McCarthy or veteran Carson Wentz during the team's win-now window.
• Points out Wentz, despite his flaws, is still more NFL-ready than McCarthy:
  • "Carson Wentz today is better than J.J. McCarthy today. He's been in the NFL 10 years…he's seen every defense." (Colin, 10:31)
  • "With Carson Wentz and Kevin O'Connell's coaching…this group can win a lot of games." (Colin, 12:55)
• Points to the Vikings' investments and NFL business wisdom: Make choices based on what works now, not to justify previous draft decisions ("Whatever works, immediately double down on it and what doesn't, bail on it...Don't fall in love with your draft picks." — Colin, 11:51)
• Cites Greg Olson’s comments lauding Kevin O’Connell’s ability to maximize a quarterback’s performance:
  • "I'm not sure there is a coach in the league...who gets the most out of their quarterback within their system..." (Greg Olson, 13:05)

Co-host J. Mac’s Counterpoints:

• Reminds that McCarthy is only in year two and on a rookie deal, providing financial flexibility.
• "To win now, remember, McCarthy on the rookie deal? Only in year two, they still have two more summers where they can load up the roster." (J. Mac, 15:09)

4. Media Narratives & Quarterback Evaluation Philosophy

[42:03–45:55]

• Colin criticizes media overreaction around young quarterbacks, reiterating that only a few like Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Lamar are true system-proof QBs.
• For most young QBs, success is "almost entirely circumstantial."
• "My take has always been on young quarterbacks. Trust your eyes. Do they look overwhelmed? J.J. McCarthy probably is." (Colin, 43:16)
• "As long as they have reportedly a very good work ethic, they're committed, it'll be fine." (Colin, 43:44)
• Notes that too many give up on talent that simply needs the right context, e.g., Sam Darnold's athleticism and commitment.

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Additional NFL and College Football Talk

5. Quick Hits: NFL Week 4 Early Reactions

[22:12–26:14]

• Colin breaks down why some early surges or slumps (Lions, Cowboys) might not last—because the "truth comes out" after a few games.
• Explains why Dak Prescott is the "buoy" keeping the Cowboys viable, and the Lions are simply too talented not to win at least 10 games.

6. Patience or Panic: Trade Deadline Game Preview

[42:03, tease for next segment]

• Teases an upcoming "Patience or Panic" segment: Should contenders make trades or stay the course before the NFL trade deadline?

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On the Dodgers:
  "Their bullpen stinks. They blew another lead…My number one rule in baseball is can't win a World Series with an awful bullpen." (Colin, 06:12)
• On Money and Winning:
  "What's true in sports always is that money never, ever decides everything." (Colin, 07:11)
• On Front Office Wisdom:
  "Whatever works, immediately double down on it and what doesn't, bail on it. Don't try to validate your earlier choices." (Colin, 11:51)
• On Young QBs:
  "Trust your eyes. Do they look overwhelmed? J.J. McCarthy probably is." (Colin, 43:16)
• Greg Olson on Kevin O'Connell:
  "I'm not sure there is a coach in the league…who gets the most out of their quarterback…He has such a unique quality…mentor…schematic advantage but it's all the other stuff." (Greg Olson, 13:05)
• J. Mac on roster construction:
  "McCarthy on the rookie deal? Only in year two, they still have two more summers where they can load up the roster." (J. Mac, 15:09)

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Tone and Style

Colin’s signature style shines: part sharp analyst, part pragmatist, always skeptical of popular narratives and quick reactions. The dialogue with J. Mac is playful but statistical, encouraging deeper thinking about both baseball and football volatility and decision-making.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening & Baseball Payroll Discussion: 03:13–09:30
• Dodgers’ Problems Analyzed: 05:44–08:45
• Small Market/Sports Parity: 07:40–09:30
• Vikings QB Debate (McCarthy vs. Wentz): 09:31–16:15
• NFL Opening Month Truths (Lions, Cowboys): 22:12–26:14
• Young Quarterbacks, Development Context: 42:03–45:55

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This summary covers the key sports conversations and debates in Hour 1, including memorable quotes, primary insights, and the evolving narratives surrounding high and low payroll teams, quarterback development, and team-building philosophy in the modern NFL and MLB.

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Baseball Regular seasons are long, but last night my childhood favorite, the Seattle Mariners clinched a playoff spot and they've got some interesting components. But Rob Manfred and a lot of people in baseball have been worried about baseball. The payroll gap is scary and I do believe the payroll gap matters in the regular season. But once you get to the playoffs, you don't know what's going to happen. No sport is weirder and quirkier then Major League Baseball. It's been a great year for the sport. The $350 million payroll Mets are battling the $119 million payroll Cincinnati Reds for a playoff spot. The mega money train. The LA Dodgers blew another game last night. Yeah, Ohtani was great and then he leaves and the Dodgers blow another game. It's been that kind of year. And that's what money doesn't buy you. Health. They've got a bad bullpen. It blew another game last night. Mookie Betts started the season very poorly. He had a sickness. He's been good in September, but they've dealt with a lot of injuries. Mo money mo problems. They're on track for their worst record in six years. For the record, the small market Brewers I think win the World Series. Small market San Diego has an upper unbelievable bullpen and plenty of big time sticks. The American League division leaders are the Mariners, Cleveland and Toronto. Yet the fear mongering once again prevails. Whether it's the nil for college football AI in business or big payrolls in baseball. So many people are neurotic, anxiety filled fatalists. Take a deep breath. It's going to be okay. Even my Mariners, they've got Cal, Raleigh so they hit a lot of home runs, meaning they don't have to manufacture rallies. If they do fall behind, they score quickly. The Mariners do. They've got a great closer if they have a lead late. Andres Munoz. And they had the best rotation ERA in baseball last year. And it's still good this year. The Seattle Mariners, believe it or not, could win the World Series. Yes, they could. What's true in sports always is that money never, ever decides everything. For the millionth straight year in a row, the jets and Giants stink in New York. And the packers are good. Remember fans freaking out when Luka ended up with the Lakers? Yeah. They got eliminated in the first round. Small market OKC beats small market Indiana in the Finals. Put your phones down. It's exhausting. The world's not going to end. Except for the Dodgers. Yeah, I can't. I can't. I have to be honest about the Dodgers. Their bullpen stinks. They blew another lead. Ohtani's amazing. Mookies hitting. And they can't close out games they should win in. My number one rule in baseball is can't win a World Series with an awful bullpen. Here's Dave Roberts. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. Dodgers in trouble. These are our guys. I do know that. I just see just careful, the getting behind the walking guys. Hit batsman. That's just a sign of you're either scared or you're pitching too careful. And that's just the way. That's just the facts. When you pitch behind and afraid to make a mistake, hang a breaking ball, you know that's when bad things happen. So the division leaders currently have the fifth biggest payroll. The 25th, the 15th, the 23rd, the fourth. And the Dodgers are number one. But they can't close out games despite having a payroll which they could face in the first round. The Mets with a $340 million payroll. So one of them could potentially get bounced as the small market Padres and Brewers and Mariners and Guardians and Canada's Bass Toronto watch on happily. It's all going to be okay. NFL, NBA, Major League Baseball. I said this two months ago. Medium and small markets are kicking arse. I believe the World Series will be the brewers beating the Mariners in six. Go ahead, J. Mack. Roll your eyes, Cal. Raleigh's getting there. Munoz closing them out, but they'll meet their match. Okay, so Kevin OConnell's a great coach. He said tap the brakes on a quick return for J.J. mcCarthy. So the Vikings face the Steelers. It's in Dublin, Ireland. My. My belief is Basically, start the quarterback against the Steelers or any team that helps you win the game Sunday. NFL not for long. Win the game Sunday. Start the quarterback that wins you the game. And as I said last week before, he looked really good. Carson Wentz today is better than J.J. mcCarthy today. He's been in the NFL 10 years. I think he's been on six teams in six years. He's seen every defense. He's a big athlete with a big arm. Doesn't move like he used to, but he's a good player. And the Vikings are built to win today. Brian Flores, to me, is the best defensive coordinator in football, and he has transformed that defense and he could get a head coaching job next year or the one after. And Carson Wentz wasn't that long ago in Indianapolis, 27 touchdowns, seven picks, and Chris Ballard loved him. And the owner, the late great Jim Ursay, said, get him out of here. He lost to the Jags in the final week, but they had Jonathan Taylor, who was a Pro Bowler. Michael Pittman had a thousand yards and they had a pretty good offensive line in 2017. And I know that's a while ago, but it's not that long ago. He had 33 touchdowns and seven picks before he got hurt. And again, they had a very good roster. So like it is for most NFL quarterbacks with Carson Wentz, he's as good as his support staff. He's not Josh Allen, he's not Lamar, he's not Mahomes, he's not burrowing. But he's a big, strong athlete who Philadelphia, Minnesota, when he's got good players around him. You can win a lot of games with Carson Wentz and J.J. mcCarthy at this point. And I think I'm being fair. Doesn't really know yet what to do in the NFL. He looks overwhelmed. He looks overwhelmed and this is bad luck. He got hurt again. So this is not college football. There's no big donor to guarantee you get snapshot. Some young quarterbacks fall into Sean Payton, some get Brandon Staley. It's not fair. What do the Vikings owe J.J. mcCarthy? Well, they gave up. They gave up a fourth round pick and a fifth round pick to move up to get him. I mean, San Francisco with Trey Lance give up three first rounders and went, oops, we're gonna go with Brock Purdy. I mean, the best business advice I've ever been given in my life by far. When I started my company, the Volume I called, I emailed, like Mark Cuban and Peter Chernin, really smart guys. And I, they, you know, in their busy life. I sent emails, texts to people I knew and everybody gave me the same advice. I mean literally the same advice. Whatever works, immediately double down on it and what doesn't, bail on it. Don't try to validate your earlier choices. Amazon doesn't look like the company that was formed. Either does Oracle or Google. Don't fall in love with your draft picks. You can tell often in camp, oh, that doesn't look good. He's smaller than I thought. He doesn't have a lot of toughness. Man, he's got a bad temper. Stuff is unveiled in camp for starts and again, some guys fall into Sean Payton, some fall into defensive coaches who don't have a feel for offense. So it's nothing against J.J. mcCarthy. He may develop into something great. But my take in is Carson Wentz with Kevin oconnell's coaching, a great left tackle, solid run game, unbelievable wide receiver talent, good tight end, great home field advantage, excellent defensive coordinator. I mean Carson Wentz and Kevin o' Connell can win a lot of games. So let's let it play out. Here's Greg Olson yesterday on what to do with Wentz and Kevin o'. Connell. I'm not sure there is a coach in the league, a head coach for sure or an offensive coordinator who gets the most out of their quarterback within their system and blends the idea of play caller, quarterback whisperer, confidant, mentor. He has such a unique quality where yes, he has the X's and O's, yes he has the schematic advantage but it's all the other stuff. Yeah, I, I actually J. Mac and I agree on this. Minnesota is the play as you knock down a Guinness if you're over in Dublin. Minnesota is the play this weekend. One of the better, one of the better plays on the board in my opinion.

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Yeah, I totally agree. They'll, they'll gonna destroy Aaron Rodgers. But a quick point on your Wentz vs McCarthy thing. A Vikings buddy of mine said, hey, you got to tell Colin one huge difference that Wentz had that McCarthy didn't. And that's left tackle Christian Darasow. He missed the first two games. I know that he played against the Bengals. 21 snaps allowed, one pressure. He's borderline elite. I don't know if he's top three.

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But I am fully aware of that.

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I know, I know.

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But I'll be honest with you. In this league there is no perfect roster. That's why I said about Brock Purdy. He's doesn't. He's not as Good. Without Christian McCaffrey. Well, Christian McCaffrey gets hurt. So you have to be good despite not having a star running back. So by the way, Najee Harris is out with Justin Herbert. Rashawn Slater's out the Pro bowl left tackle. Herbert's having his best year. Yeah, I mean, people can always say, well, the left take. Make plays. I don't care about it. Make plays.

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Herbert is a fifth year superstar in this league. Top six quarterback J.J. mcCarthy's got two starts. I. We need to give the kid a chance. And I'm just. I know I'm all in. And it's maybe a bad move by me. Listen, I've been wrong before.

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Our show does not cancel culture quarterbacks. I'm not saying. All I'm saying is I said before the show. I said it Friday. You were here. I said Carson Wentz today is better than JJ McCarthy. However, whatever it takes to get JJ McCarthy to be in the same ballpark as Jared Goff or Jordan Love, because those are the guys in your division. This team is built to win now, and it's not fair. But Carson Wentz with this group, I think could go toe to toe with Jordan Love and there wouldn't be a massive gap. Although Jordan Loves better. What I saw seven of the eight quarters with McCarthy, the gap between him and Goff or him and Jordan Love feels like a sizable, noticeable separation. So you gotta. You have to play who wins Sunday.

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You're right. I mean, but to win now, remember McCarthy on the rookie deal? Only in year two, they still have two more summers where they can load up the roster. So I don't know that when. Now, like right this season. I would go back to McCarthy when he's healthy. But, yeah, I do feel I'm concerned that I'm so committed to this guy. He's not. Mahomes versus Alex Smith. That's not what we're dealing with here.

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Nobody. I appreciate the revelation that he's not Mahomes. I certainly appreciate. For a year, but injured, you know, I'm not rooting. I don't root against quarterbacks. Let me. Let's be honest. I like CJ CJ Stroud. When he was good two years ago, I liked watching the Texans. They're unwatchable now because they can't pick up first downs. They can't block. Like, I'm rooting for all young quarterbacks. I. People think you're rooting to be right. I want Baker Mayfield to succeed. I think I was right early. He's great now. I want them all to succeed. Nothing worse than the 1 o' clock window in October with two awful quarterbacks and I'm forced to watch it because it's my job. I'm rooting for good quarterback play. Yeah, period. When I watch college games this weekend, I'll get Ohio State, Washington. The quarterback play will be good. Drew Aller against Dante Moore, Penn State and Oregon. Excellent. Two pro quarterbacks. I, I like watching really good quarterback play. It is hard to watch. You know, I thought Michigan, Nebraska this weekend. I don't know one of them is going to be in the NFL. But when an offense struggles, it's usually a bad quarterback in college or pro. So I root for all of them to eventually succeed. We got Joel Klatt coming up. I'm so excited for my Mariners. I'm not loyal. I bailed on him for 15 years. I'm not saying I'm loyal, but I'm excited for him. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, we're Kavino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly, because this guy is over promising things we never have time for.

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You know as you go into Week four, Week five in the NFL NFL teams go into each season decent, a little bit like a Rubik's cube. They're a puzzle and then they get turned and figured out and it doesn't take very long. College football, it can take months and months to expose your flaws because the coaching isn't as good, the quarterback play isn't as devastating. But in the NFL, essentially, and eventually the truth's going to come out. In the first month we saw the Ravens defense, it's a problem trade deadline. They may want to do something and I think Detroit's a great example. PFF has their roster at third best once again. Their draft picks appear to be really, really good. And even though they were awful in week one and in the preseason, they've just got too good a code of quarterback, too good a roster, too good a running back room, too good an offensive line that Detroit's eventually just got too many A level players, A to A minus to B plus players. They're going to win games now. I don't think their Coordinators are as good as last year. They're not winning 15. But the Lions have too many good players to look like week one for the rest of the season. Dallas is the opposite. They look pretty good in the first two weeks and then CD Lamb gets hurt and you're like, they don't have anybody that can separate offensively. And we already knew their defense wasn't very good. So their roster is below average. The staff, I think, is very weak. I was shocked how well they played early. And I think Dallas is in a situation where the truth has come out. It's the opposite. USC right now is what, 5 and oh, they may beat Illinois and go 5 and 0 or 6 and oh, you won't know how good Oregon is until they go to Notre Dame and to Eugene. Oregon college football, you don't know because there's such a disparity of talent and coaching. The Detroit Lions have too many good players. Depth, coaching culture, quarterback play, running back room, O line, not to win at least 10 games. The Cowboys, the truth has come out. The CD Lamb injury really highlighted a truth. They have not drafted necessarily well until the Micah trade and next year's draft and free agency, that they haven't had a lot of flexibility. And without CD Lamb, man, they don't have an. A weapon. So, I mean, I. Patchwork does not work in the NFL. And I think the Cowboys, here we go. You get to about a month through the games. You look up week four and Brian Schottenheimer after that Bears loss admits, we gotta make some changes here. Today is all about us. Let's focus on us. Let's go through these meetings. I talked about the things I messed up in the game. There's certainly things I messed up in the game. And I was open about that. I said, you guys have to do the same thing, take accountability for the things you did. The standard is not the standard. And therefore we will make changes. And some will be schemes, some might even be personnel. We'll see. You know what's remarkable is that Dak Prescott is keeping them semi viable. He's keeping them afloat. So the first two years, you could argue the third, Dak Prescott was largely elevated by the Cowboys. The O line. Zeke, at this point, he is the buoy from year four on with all their nonsense and misses during the draft, he's the buoy keeping Dallas afloat. He makes them viable. I mean, that Green bay line is 6 and a half 7 if DAX not there. I mean, both J. Mac and I are shocked by the number the numbers there, because Dak just wins. He wins 10 games if he's upright. That's what he does. And he throws for over 4,000 yards, about 10 turnovers, about 30 touchdowns. So he's the buoy that keeps him afloat. And he was largely, you know, not carried, but certainly elevated in the first few years in Dallas. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news.

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This is the Herd line news. All right, let's start with your first favorite quarterback, Baker Mayfield. Boy, he is off to a great 3, 0 start. Some luck involved, three game winning drives at the end. Very clutch. However, entering week four, he's got his toughest test yet against an Eagles team that is great against the run and is very good against the pass. Yesterday, D.C. vic Fangio spoke highly of Baker and called out the teams who moved off of him.

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The quarterback is playing really good. He's a scrambler. He scrambled, I think 11 times this year for close to 120 yards already, you know, so that's always an issue. I've always liked Mayfield. I think he's a good quarterback. Why these teams that had him didn't keep him, I don't know. But GMs make mistakes, you know, just like coaches do. Yeah. Baker right now is a top 10 quarterback in the league. That's undeniably.

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Yeah, let's, let's just, you know, be fully honest here. They've been lucky through three weeks. At the end of games, Colin, listen, when you win on walk off field goals or the opponent missing a field goal, there is some luck involved. It's a coin flip. Right. So I think seeing Eagles -3 and a half at Tampa is a big tell that the market is saying the Eagles are considerably better than these guys.

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Oh, yeah. No Mike Evans, by the way, this is my fate.

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This is my second favorite bet on the board. Yeah. Is Philadelphia because as we've talked about, when you play poorly and win, Sean Payton always says that's the best week of practice. And they had a terrible 267 deficit at half at home to the Rams. And we're getting worked then. They played a good second half and one. But I think the Eagles, you know, it's very rare that you're good enough in this league to play poorly and win. And I mean, they were awful at home against a very good team. Teams don't come back from 26 to seven deficits against good defenses, which the Rams have. So I think the Eagles, I think that kind of wakes them up. Yeah.

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And I will add that the jets started Tyrod Taylor at quarterback. He had two fourth quarter touchdown drives that got them back in the game. Okay. Jalen Hurts is like top five in the league. And then there's Tyrod Taylor. I think Philly should be fine. Next up is the Detroit Lions at Monday night game. Shook us to our core, man. I did not see that coming. Jared Goff has been really instrumental despite losing Ben Johnson. Goff 761 yards passing, seven touchdowns. PFF has not graded him that highly, but Dan Campbell said nobody's been better under center.

[B]

Golf had a very efficient game. There's a number of things, people. Baloney. I have no idea that he did in that game. That was big time, man. Man in the moment. Crowd noise, everything. Critical moments and just some of the little nuances of the position that, that he did. Get everybody set up right? Make sure we're all on point. It was just. I'm telling you, the guy is, is playing at a very high level. And you talk about running the quarterback position. I mean he's. Nobody's playing it better than him right now. Well, I've seen him in his career as a Ram go toe to toe with Mahomes and beat him and go toe to toe with Lamar and beat him. When he has time to throw. Jared Goff throws one of the two or three prettiest balls in this league. He throws a beautiful ball. I always said he was Matt Ryan with a better arm. Is that that? I mean, Matt, especially toward the second part of his career, felt like he lost a little arm strength. Matt's not a huge guy. Jared's got a, you know, his dad was a, like a major league baseball player. I think Jared's got a big time arm and you have to give him the setup like Baker Mayfield. You gotta let him plant and throw. I also think if you watch golf and Omaron St. Brown, dude, that has now become one of the best matches in the league. Those guys are so good. They've been there so on point. And Goff looks for him in big spots. That is that it? That is. It may not be burrow and chase because it's not as big play, but Goff and Omaron St. Brown are fantastic.

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So PFF has Goff as the 19th graded quarterback so far. When you strip out guys, it's actually 25th. But when you take out guys who had one game, right, he comes in at 19th. He was terrible against the Packers.

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He was terrible.

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And you know, he carves up Chicago. Okay, whatever. And then he he was very, very good against Baltimore. We don't know, by the way, if Baltimore's defense is any good. So I think the jury's still out. Now, Colin, what do you make of this Browns game this weekend? Cleveland riding high, but with Miles Garrett. Is the Detroit offensive line ready? Because they were not against the Packers.

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I think it's a low scoring game. I take Detroit to win. I think Cleveland's defense is absolutely for real.

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It's good.

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I went and rewatched that game on YouTube. Cleveland's defense is really good now. They, they're not going to ignite, you know, the scoreboard. They're not going to score a lot. Cleveland has to win a certain way. Detroit can win multiple ways. So Cleveland's not going to win on the road against good teams very often. But what you saw them do is what Cleveland is good enough to do is at home, catch a really good team sleeping, coming in a sandwich spot. And, you know, Green Bay's looking ahead. Green Bay's, you know, feeling it a little bit. A young team. Everybody says best team in the league. And when you play Cleveland, you're not gonna have long extended drives. They're really good defensively. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news.

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And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news.

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I, you know, J. Mac, I'm gonna be busy doing some journalism on Saturday.

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Well, I have a source who played on my men's basketball team last night, said they expect to see you Saturday on a certain show. I hope I'm not breaking any news here, but he's very excited to have you. I think it's going to be a great game, right?

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Yeah. So I read this story this morning. Josh Pate, who's a great college football podcaster, he's a great Josh Pate. He said Lincoln Riley, I regret to inform you, he told his audience, has himself a really good quarterback in Jaden Mayava. I think Mayava is a better quarterback for Lincoln than Caleb Williams was. He may not be the most talented, but he plays within a system. And I actually agree with Josh here. Caleb Williams, second year at usc. After the Notre Dame game, Lincoln Riley lost trust of the O line at usc and he was protecting Caleb more than he was unleashing him. And it did feel like it was Caleb's offense and not Lincoln Riley's for big portions of the second year. And Lincoln Riley, when you watch usc, this is Lincoln Riley's offense. He likes to run the ball more than people give him credit for. He has done an amazing Job. So Jaden Mayava last year I watched USC three times live. This kid was reckless, he was loose. I didn't trust him throwing over the middle. He was mistake prone. He was almost not like emotionally. But as a quarterback he was kind of an immature, needed more reps. Quarterback this year, disciplined poise, isn't as is frenetic, isn't as flip. Every, every throw seems to matter. Last year it felt like sometimes he was playing in the backyard. All of that's gone. So horsepower can be sometimes a detriment. I'll give you a great example. So you know, I love Lamar Jackson. I think he's unbelievable. He's the greatest play extender of all time, but he doesn't throw the ball away enough. And so Lamar always, you saw it on Monday night against the Lions. He's always trying to make a great play out of a missed block or a play that goes sideways. And that means a lot of negative yardage plays by Lamar Jackson. It does feel sometimes he's digging out from one of the holes he created and he's unbelievable. Caleb Williams has much more horsepower than Jaden Mayava. But I actually, when I watch USC this year, I can see the creative and the smart and the clever and the unique and more of the power running that I think Lincoln Riley actually likes. And I've said this about Joe Burrow, we all love Joe Burrow, but Joe Burrow holds the ball because he's always looking for that big T. Higgins player Jamar Chase play and he doesn't have much of a run game. So he knows he'd like to get some cheap touchdowns over the top. And once again Joe Burrows hurt again. And I love Joe Burrow and I love Lamar Jackson. But, and that's what horsepower gives you, the self belief. And it's often true that you can make something out of nothing. And, and I think Caleb, the second year at USC was hard to coach for Lincoln Riley. He was trying to protect him. He didn't want to get him hurt because he knew he was going to be the number one pick. So. And Greg Cosell told us this for years about Aaron Rodgers in his prime. He said Aaron's actually so gifted, he's, he's extending completions. There's completions have been schemed up by Mike McCarthy. They've been schemed. He's not going to use them because he wants to make a bigger play. So this USC team to me feels like Lincoln's team. And here was Lincoln Roddy this week talking about Jaden Mayava Jaden deserves, you know, a ton of credit. He's, you know, he's, he did a really good job after the end of the season of just really taking an honest look at what he did well and what he's got to do better and then just really put head down and just own the things that he knew he had to be better at and that we put in front of him. And, and he's just, he's, he's incredibly coachable and that's where you know, his humility is a strength occasionally you have. Sometimes quarterbacks are so hard headed that can, it can, it can go the other way where they almost become a little less coachable than you want them to be. And I don't think he's throwing shade at anybody. I think it is harder to be coachable when you're as gifted as Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. I think it's harder because in high school, in college you've had so much success just sort of bulldozing your way to success. And Jaden Mayava is not Caleb Williams. He doesn't have that arm strength. But when you watch this team now you're like, oh, that's, yeah, that's Lincoln's team. It's very clever power running now. Use the tight ends sometimes. Some RPO stuff. It's good team. How good? I'll know when they go to Notre Dame. I'll know when they go to Oregon, but they're good, you know. J. Mac, I can't even tease this. I. Do you ever, do you ever have a pocket schedule? You know, we make predictions before the year. I make division predictions, not necessarily records. I think it's impossible injuries. So I don't, I don't do record predictions. But I did, I did say the Bears would go nine and eight and I thought I was optimistic. I, I did re. Look at the schedule this morning. Based on what I've seen, they're not.

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Going 9 and 8.

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Well, that's very negative.

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Do you think they're going 9 and 8?

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I, I did, I did the pocket schedule. I did the whole thing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's interesting.

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Do you think the Bears are going to the playoffs?

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Two of the NFC's early season best as Saquon and defending champion Eagles take on Baker Mayfield and the Bucks or the jags battle Christian McCaffrey and the Niners or other regional action. Check local listings for the game in your area.

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Only on Fox. We're gonna play a game. Patience or panic with some of the NFL's best teams should they make a move at the trade deadline, which I think is week nine or ten. You've got some time here. You've got. You got about five, six weeks. But like, you know, one of the teams I've talked about is the Rams. They need to get a corner Bills gotta fix that, run defense. So we'll play patience or panic at the top. So I saw three stories this morning, and when I come into work every morning, the staff puts about 15 stories up and maybe 20, and we pick about five we want to talk about. And there were three right in a row. Why the Broncos have far bigger concerns than just Bo Nix's overthrows Michael Penix Jr. Struggles are worrisome. He started six games. Texan C.J. stroud. Is he playing his way out of an extension? Oh my God. Outside of four quarterbacks on the planet. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar and Burrow. Quarterback play is circumstantial. Who's your coach? Who's your coordinator? What's your O line like? There's four exceptions. I mean, even Matt Stafford before Sean McVeigh, zero playoff wins. Even Justin Herbert, who's a leading candidate today for the MVP 500 record with Brandon Staley. Okay, so. So it's circumstant. Now with young quarterbacks, it's almost entirely circumstantial. Do you know you got to learn the language, you got to learn the locker room, you got to learn the coordinator's playbook, you got to learn the tricks, you got to learn the league. So people tend to forget. And I love Mahomes and we all do. Patrick Mahomes got the perfect situation. He didn't have to play for a year. He got the best offensive coach or coach in the sport, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, when he finally got a start and a good old line. And oh, by the way, the Chiefs had made the playoffs for three straight seasons. And Alex Smith, he acknowledges, was an unbelievable mentor. Now Mahomes took that momentum and became very quickly the best quarterback talent in the league. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve credit, but it should be noted that Bo Nick, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Cam Ward, Caleb Williams, and mostly Caleb Drake May. Yeah, you're starting in the first month and we have no momentum. We're not very good O line defense got to win by shootout. So those guys not only had to play right away, but they didn't have nearly as good of a roster as Lamar had or Josh Allen had or certainly what Patrick Mahomes had. So, so much you have. My take has always been on young quarterbacks. Trust your eyes. Do they look overwhelmed? J.J. mcCarthy probably are. Do you see a great trait? Something took me a while to figure out. Jalen hurts. But do you see a great trait? And then as long as they have reportedly a very good work ethic, they're committed. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Baker Mayfield, when he can plant and throw, has a world class arm. He's accurate when he can step and throw. Sam Darnold was too damn athletic and talented with a big arm not to eventually work somewhere. He was totally committed. That's why I don't give up on Darnold. He's just too talent. I see traits with Kenny Pickett or Mitch Trubisky. I never saw the trait. I just never saw the thing that I went wow. People knock Kyler Murray, I've said for years, he's incredibly elusive and throws one of the prettiest balls in the league. There's just too much talent there for him. His issue has been, is he totally committed? His own owner has questioned that. His own GMs have. So I. My takeaway on all these quarterbacks. For the record, go look at Bo Nix's schedule the next month. It lightens up considerably. Panics. Little worrisome, but I like him. I see accuracy, arm. I see a trait I love. I do. Okay, I saw this. I saw this. And this is not really fair. This is when the media is unfair. And so there is a Us Weekly. It's one of those magazines, I think you look over at the checkout line in a grocery store and they've got like, aliens landed on Earth. And then Us Weekly. And so there's this picture for our radio audience, I apologize. Of Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson, his beautiful young girlfriend on the COVID Okay, they didn't pose for this. They did not pose for this. So there's an, you know, there's a sense, oh, look at these two. They're really leaning into this. No, they're not. You took an old picture and made it look like a cover. Because both would have turned this down. So my take on this is, I don't have a problem with this relationship. I have a problem with Bill Belichick's ability to spot personnel. It was my problem. His last six years controlling the Patriot drafts, they were awful. And I don't think North Carolina's got very many good players. And I've watched them play two full games and then highlights of others. I don't think they have really good playmakers. I think that quarterback they brought in, I think they bailed on him mostly. So my thing, and I've had a lot of people say this to me, a lot people close to me, I don't like this relationship. Two consenting adults, both feel there's a benefit. I mean, my whole life I have seen smart, beautiful women with guys, and I'm like, don't get it. It's none of my business. I don't know what. I don't know what turns your crank. You know, I don't know. It's not for me to judge, believe me. I out kick my coverage. So whatever. I mean, I am pretty suave, but I out kick my coverage. So my issue with Belichick is he never had an interest. I said this about Urban Meyer, who I love Urban never Liked pro football. Bill never liked college football. You know, he was an NFL guy, and once he took over the draft, it was brutal. So do I think it's weird that Jordan Hudson's on the sideline a little? Whatever. I'll be on the sideline of a college football game Saturday. There's a lot of people on the sidelines of college football games. Friends, family, dog. Yeah, Herb Street's got his dog in the booth. Who cares? Makes him happy. I mean, I don't care. So my bigger problem is I watch Carolina. It feels like I'm watching the Patriots. It's like, stop with a. You're not a good personnel guy, you're a great coach, but you're not very good at that. In college football, that's where Nick Saban, Jimmy Johnson, Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll. In college, that's where they were unbelievable. Sean Payton, I think, has a real eye for personnel. Not all coaches do. And at. Belichick does not. That is not his thing. Jimmy Johnson's. I mean, everywhere Jimmy left, they won because he. You had a great roster, right? Harbaugh's like that. Jimmy Harbaugh knows. I mean, he took a bunch of fifth round corners, and two years later, a year and a half later, the secondary for the Chargers is the stickiest in the NFL on these fifth round guys. So, I mean, Carol. And here's what. If you take Brady out of Belichick's career, they're 134th right now in offensive yards per game. If you take Belichick, take Brady out of his career, last four years in New England, unwatchable offense. And look at this thing. So I kind of found the regression of Belichick to be utterly fascinating. Five years ago, we were all convinced he was not only the best coach in football, he was the best coach of all time. He was a genius. In the last five years, his offenses, as the sport has become more offensive, are absolutely awful. So the magazine cover, though, I think it kind of leads you to believe they posed. They did not. That's where the media, I think, does a bad job. Let's not pretend they're aggressively seeking this kind of exposure. They're not. They're not. And I don't care if because since she started dating Belichick, her real estate portfolio has expanded. Whatevs. You know, people. People are in relationships for different reasons. All right, J. Mac, Joe Klatt started the show. Plus, we're going to play a game. There are really good teams in this league that have a massive hole in their operation. Should they. We'll call it patience. It'll work itself out. Or panic. Do you need to make a move in the next six weeks before the trade deadline?

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I like that. I feel like that was my idea yesterday and the staff's listening to me. Hey, real quick, do you know fun fact about me? I worked at Us Weekly magazine. No, I did not know 2000.

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And is it a gossip mag 2004.

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It was like an entertainment glossy they would send me to like red carpets. Hey, Jason, we need you to interview Jessica Albuquerque. And you go, I'm like, of course I can do that. You know, like it was a fun, easy job. Yes, they did not pose for that. But Colin, there's a reason they're on the COVID because people are fascinated by this relationship. Longtime successful coach, dating beauty pageant, 20 something year old. If this sells well at the checkout register and wherever people buy this, it's going to, it's going to be on all the other magazine covers pretty soon. So we'll know here in a month what the appetite is in America for this relationship.

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