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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - The Yankees are not good enough, NLDS is finally a series, Jared Goff is a future Hall of Famer
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Cosell
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J. Mac
Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Thursday and once again, best time of the year in sports. There is a ton to talk about. Ascending teams, seasons ending, seasons on the brink. One hour from now, Greg Cosell stops by. Best 15 minutes of football talk all week, arguably on this show or any show. It's Greg Cosell. J. Mac, A team from Canada. Oh, Canada has eliminated your New York Yankees and it was in fairly dominating fashion. And I know it's painful.
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Colin Cowherd
Two, one and then the, the error, you know, like, come on, it was close. I don't know. Dominate.
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J. Mac
Let's have a harsh be a therapist for the New York Yankees. Let's all sit down, take a deep breath and admit the Yankees just aren't that good. They're good. They're not that good. Think about this. I looked it up this morning. If you take out the American League Central in the playoffs since 2009, the last World Series, the Yankees are 3 and 10 against every other division in the playoffs. 3 and 10. Yeah, they're great against the middling payroll. American League Central since that time, 8 and 2. Aaron Judge is great. Garrett Cole and Max Freed if they're healthy. What a one, two punch. I like jazz. Chisholm. I like him, don't love him. But they just got out hit by Toronto, 50 hits to 34. And the Jays are the better fielding team. They strike out less, they get more hits, more contact hitters, they create more action. You know, the Yankees feel like an unbalanced diet. Too much protein, not enough green. Like all those weirdos on TikTok selling you and lecturing you on the carnivore diet. Hey, champ, mix in a carrot. The Yankees are completely beholden. This team is once carrot. Garrett Cole got hurt to home runs. Yeah. Garrett Stanton had seven last year in the playoffs. This year had none. It's a totally unbalanced baseball team. And so Aaron Judge is great, but last year it was all on Garrett Cole. When you took Garrett Cole out against the Dodgers, they look like one of those American League Central teams against the Dodgers. This year it's all on Aaron Judge, because you don't have Cole. And it's, I mean, again, you needed Stanton and Judge to both be great. Aaron was John Carlos Stanton. Where's the deep ball? So, I mean, I. If you want to talk about balance and you can hit home runs and pay a lot of money and have balance. The Dodgers last year, Ohtani had a historic regular season. Carry the Dodgers and then Tommy Edmond, National League Championship Series MVP and the World Series, it was Freddie Freeman. That's balance. Yankees have none. It's just completely unbalanced. And here's the other thing. This is probably the last run with these guys. It should be. I mean, Aaron Judge next year is going to be 34 in the season. Stanton's going to be 35. Garrett Cole's gonna be 35 off an injury. So they need to get younger, they need to get more athletic and they need to turn radio off. I mean, it's not a coincidence that Seattle and Milwaukee and a lot of these media markets are really good right now. They don't react to the noise outside the building. I mean, you take out since they last won a World Series in 2009, they do not beat top tier franchises. They beat the American League Central in the playoffs, 8 and 2. They're great against the Central, but those teams don't have any money. The Dodgers spend it, but spend it smarter. The Cubs are spending it smarter that they're just running into Milwaukee. So it's a little bit like the Pittsburgh Steelers. The brand is big. They do a lot of things well. They draft pretty well. But you know, the Steelers, when do they beat elite quarterbacks in the playoffs? They don't. Ten years. They don't. When do the Yankees beat good franchises in the playoffs? They're owing four against the Astros. Astros just fell apart this year physically. But again, who are you beating? Like the Dodgers have their hands full with the Phillies. The Phillies are great. My guess is the Dodgers probably figure out a way to win one of the next two games. But the Phillies are great and the Dodgers are great and Milwaukee is really, really good. Toronto's excellent. They do a lot of things well. What do the Yankees do well? So, I mean, this is Aaron Judge on this. Their stars are old Garrett Cole, Stanton, Aaron Judge. I mean, you got to start moving some pieces, do you not? Here's Aaron after. I think once again it comes down.
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Greg Cosell
To the little things. Making the little plays come with the big hit. Now if you don't do that, give teams extra outs, you know they're going.
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J. Mac
To capitalize on it for us.
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Greg Cosell
We got to. We got to clean a couple things up, and we'll be right back here.
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J. Mac
The other thing is this is. It's like an annual tradition. It is so predictable, is that, you know, the Giants and the jets and the Knicks and the Nets and the Mets, they're always just moving pieces left and right and firing GMs and firing coaches. And the knock in New York is they're too patient. Brian Cashman need to relieve him. Why don't they have more good players? Well, analytics and baseball. The guys upstairs are making a lot of the calls, so let's blame the manager. But the truth is, Aaron Boone, I don't know how much power he has. I mean, I'm listening to Derek Jeter after that loss last night, talk about the current state of the New York Yankees and Aaron Boone, and I think there is a lot of truth in what Derek Jeter said. What's tough is for the Yankee fans, right? This is the second year in a row that they've watched another team celebrate on their home field. And you can feel the frustration. Aaron did a good job. I mean, look, he's working with what he has to work with, and he sticks up for his players. I know he takes a lot of heat, but look, I'm not saying it from any inside knowledge, but I'm pretty sure Aaron's not the one that's calling every move that they make throughout the game. Go look at the salaries of Major League Baseball managers. They make about half of what a college football coach makes. There's a reason they've been marginalized. They don't matter, right? So they have to be pro player to keep their jobs. You don't want to disrupt the locker room. Players have never made more money. 3, 4, 500 million. So you can blame Aaron Boone, but I look at this team and I just see an unbalanced diet, not enough greens. Home run dependent last year, Garrett Cole dependent. The truth is, when Garrett Cole got hurt before the season, I think we talked about it on the show. You're not a World Series team. But it's more than that. It's the average baserunning. They're not athletic enough. They're not a great fielding team. They don't sacrifice. They strike out too much. Let's be honest, Toronto dominated them. The Toronto Blue Jays weren't just better than the Yankees, they are a lot better than the Yankees. They don't strike out as much more contact guys. They get on base more. And their pitching was better. All right. So there's a couple of stories on Bill Belichick yesterday after our show. One story says, and there are those disputing it, is that North Carolina and Belichick are already working on a buyout. So the person who's stating that isn't a big name doesn't work at a big company. I don't. I don't know how realistic it is, but. But I thought about this yesterday when I heard it. If I said, give me four or five words that explain the NFL, you'd say, shield, corporate, professional, business, kind of cutthroat. If I said five or six words that explain college football. Pageantry, bands, alumni, donors, fun. Which one does it sound like Bill Belichick would fit in? I've thought this from the beginning. I thought it was a bit of a money grab. He showed no interest in college football. None. None. I mean, look at his draft, the last seven years in New England. He clearly doesn't watch the sport until he has to at the Senior Bowl. But he's a do your job, bottom line guy. And that's what not college football is, not college football. When you win, sometimes you got to dance with the players. It's not about culture. Sometimes you got to dance with the players. You can look at Nick Saban and go, oh, he's harsh. Nick Saban's charming and can be funny. You watch him on television. Nick's great. He's funny, he's charming. He's a great storyteller. I mean, the whole thing is felt weird. Like the Jordan Hudson relationship doesn't bother me. To each their own. But, I mean, she's kind of the age of some of the players. Maybe to parents, administrators, there's an ick factor. And recently, Carolina had a buy. Bill goes to Nantucket with his girlfriend. That's not what Dan Lanning's doing. He's on the phone to recruits. Nick Saban, the day after winning a national championship, is on the recruiting trail. So you gotta be totally committed to college football. And it's a different vibe. Totally. Sometimes you got to dance with the players. And Mike Lombardi, the gm, is, again, he's not your warm uncle, you know, that's just not his personality. And that's okay. Bill's a pro guy. Mike's a pro guy. That's who they are. So I think a lot of times I talk about this all the time. Fit happens, right? And fit matters. And, you know, he comes out with a book and chapel. Bill. And Bill had bills. The NFL said, no, thanks. And Bill's got bills to pay. He's got the Florida house, the Nantucket place, the boats and the lifestyle. And he's not flying Southwest Airlines. And Bill's like, I'll take it. But from the very beginning, I was suspicious about the buyout. Didn't you guys think that was crazy? Bill and his agent negotiated a very, very small buyout, meaning if Bill got a job within a year, he could leave buyouts, nothing. So I don't know which story is true. It's not going well. It's going sideways. It's circling the drain. But to be great in college football, it's a lot of things, and it's a. It's. Sometimes it is connective tissue with players and parents. And I said, when Bill got this job, I said, do you really think Bill's going to be going to volleyball matches, cheering on that? Well, that's what you got to do in college sometimes. You got to go watch the softball team and go drop by the volleyball coach's office and call and deal with parents and say hi to the administrators. Let's go grab a cocktail tonight. That's part of college football. College football is more fun than the NFL. The NFL is just better. Better coaching, more professional, better quarterback play. It's, it's, it's professional sports, which is always better than college sports. And, you know, it's just run better. Big cities, big brands, lot of money. But college football is awesome, but it's a bit more joyful and fun. Do those two words sound like Bill Belichick? So we'll keep you updated on that story. Some are disputing that the buyout's happening. I don't have any insight. North Carolina football. I was actually at a place last night. I'm not going to give you the specifics, but first person I saw is a big, big Carolina. I would just say supporter. As a business person, I know very sharp former player. And he was on the field against Clemson. I said, what was it like? He said, we were beat before that thing started. No energy, no juice. College football is about running out of the tunnel. Miami, the smoke's coming out, the fight song. The rock in Clemson. And coming out of the tunnel is a big deal in college football. No juice, no energy. And at this point, no shot in Carolina for Belichick. So, J. Mac, I want you to turn that frown upside down in the Yankees.
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Colin Cowherd
Wait, wait, wait. You bury the lead. You're hanging out with Michael Jordan last night. Big donor on the sideline for the Clemson game.
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J. Mac
Oh, good stuff.
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Colin Cowherd
Cowherd. Yeah, listen, Yankees, tough loss. We move on. We'll be back next year. Win 90 games, right back in the thick of things.
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J. Mac
Hopefully you'll match up with the Twins. That's about your speed. Verizon's got an amazing deal for you or the Guardians. You know, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. He's Mike Carmen. I'm Dan Byard. We have a fantasy football podcast called I want your Flexed. That's right, Dan. And every week we're going to scour the waiver wire to find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup sits starts fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate the competition. Listen to I Want yout Flex with Mike Harmon and me, Dan Beyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts, you are now entering the no Bull zone sponsored by credible Great rates. None of the bull Phillies at Dodger Stadium hammered the Dodgers last night. Listen, they won 96 games. The Phillies are really good, second best in. You got Bryce Harper, he's going to be a Hall of Famer. Kyle Schwaber, who is just money, great power hitter, always good in the playoffs. And then Trey Turner, excellent starting staff, top 10 team ERA. So they were going to bust out and Kyle Schwaber took out his frustration. Here's his home run over the pavilion. Watch and listen to this. He's from the right side. That ball's crushed deep to right field. Hernandez doesn't even move. It is long gone. It's off the roof of the pavilion in right field. Kyle Schwaber, his first postseason home run of the year. It's his 22nd of his career. And with a lightning strike, the Phillies tie it up at one. Yeah, that ball is reportedly somewhere in Pasadena. So in the first two games, the Phillies, which have power and they get on base, lot of hits, batted.203. They are much closer to what you watched last night. Schwaber, big time power hitter, delivers in the playoffs. Trey Turner's your batting champ in the National League. Bryce Harper is Bryce Harper, first ballot hall of Famer. So the team you saw last night from Philadelphia, that's closer to the team. And tonight they've got their best pitcher, Christopher Sanchez. One of the races is going. So we have ourselves a series. And the Dodgers also didn't get anything. You know, near the top of the order between DE Oscar Hernandez and Ohtani and Freddie Freeman, they went over 12. That can't happen. But when you watch that game last night, the Phillies do that a lot to a lot of teams. And you got a 50 plus home run guy and a National League batting champ and a great team era. And then Bryce Harper adds in a couple of hits. That's what they look like all year. I thought Philadelphia would win this series because I didn't think the eighth inning last night is what I thought we would see a lot of in this series. A little bit of batting practice, the elite hitting, especially at the top of the order against the Dodger bullpen. So it's a real series now. You know, the Dodgers have more overall talent, but Philadelphia can punish you in a lot of ways. And they get good starting pitching. Bullpen can be susceptible. You know, welcome to the sport outside of a few teams like Milwaukee, but I think we have a series and Kyle Schwaber hit a couple of them and that's what he does. J Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's get started. Colin. With the Cubs exploding for four in the first inning in game three yesterday against the brewers that were able to hold on for a 43 win to extend the NLDS, this is kind of mind boggling. The four runs broke Chicago's 13 game playoff streak with three runs or fewer scored. That's futility.
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J. Mac
Well, listen, Milwaukee got loaded the bases in like the eighth inning. So you can feel Milwaukee is a better team. And you can say all you want about this, but Milwaukee almost won this puppy despite falling into a 4 nothing hole. So Milwaukee led the National League in hits. They get on base, they can hit for average contact. So Milwaukee puts a ton of pressure on Chicago. There's always, it feels like runners on base and in scoring position. So this feels like, it feels like the Toronto series with the Yankees. When you put that many people on base, somebody's going to deliver for the Blue Jays. And I think Milwaukee is one of those teams is they just, they put so much pressure on your pitching staff and your manager that eventually the dyke breaks. They loaded him in the eighth inning. The Cubs hold on, but this feels like we're looking at a much better Milwaukee team, top to bottom.
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Colin Cowherd
The Cubs manager, Craig Counsel, joked he was going to tell his team every inning was the first inning for game four.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So overall, I mean, you like the Brewers.
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J. Mac
I think they're going to win the World Series. I think Toronto is really good. I think the Mariners are going to be interesting but if you start looking the Cubs outside of the first inning, they're not doing, they're not putting anybody on base and Milwaukee is.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin, they got the Giants tonight in Thursday Night Football. The offense off to a slow start for sure. Not to say Quan Barkley, A.J. brown, both of them really on the struggle bus. Saquon was asked about the offensive struggles. Take a listen.
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J. Mac
Sometimes it just doesn't hit off right away. I know it hasn't shown, you know, in a consistent way throughout the first five games, but there's been sparks, there's been halves where we look untouchable, there's been halves where we look really bad. So we just gotta find a way to be more consistent in that area. And that's starting out with our details being more detailed. Make sure we're on the same page and making the play work. You know, you, you think to yourself, okay, the Eagle's gonna roll, but it is in New York. Philadelphia has horrible, horrible offensive halves and the Giants are off an embarrassing loss to the Saints. So the truth is it'll probably be an ugly, low scoring game and the Eagles will win. You look at this is not college. You look at these games and go, oh, seven points. First of all, they're division rivals, so they know each other's personnel. Brian Dabel's face the Eagles multiple times.
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Colin Cowherd
Hasn't done a lot against.
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J. Mac
He hasn't done a lot against him. But Jackson darts just a new player and there's a little bit, you know, kind of a new vibe. What was shocking last week, and this is virtually impossible to do, the Giants had a turnover on five straight possessions.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, rookie quarterback, you know, and it was against the Saints, which is even worse. So one of the things I looked at last week that helped me with the 5 and 1 in headlines was how quarterbacks have fared against zone or man. The Giants are playing a lot of man defense. Well, guess who eats up man. A.J.
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J. Mac
Brown.
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Colin Cowherd
So I know that A.J. brown, they had the closed door meeting this week. I would not be surprised if he had like 8 for a buck 15 tonight against the Giants. I think the Eagles roll tonight, low scoring. You're probably onto something. Abdul Carter, we don't know if he's.
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J. Mac
Going to play or not.
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Colin Cowherd
The young guy out of Penn State for the Giants. We'll see about that. No, Landon Dickerson, interior lineman for the Eagles, but I think we both like Eagles. But you're not touching the spread, huh?
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J. Mac
Not touching it. I mean, if it ended up being 24:17 and Philadelphia was clearly better. Would you be shocked? No.
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Colin Cowherd
That seems about right. Get out of there. No injuries. Get.
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J. Mac
That's right. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Final story, Colin. The Green Bay packers, their offense is. Is averaging 26 points a game, tops in the league in third down efficiency. But Jordan Love told the media recently he still thinks there's room to grow. He pointed to his own mistakes. He had the strip sack against Dallas. He had that bad interception against the Browns. I don't know. What do you think about Jordan Love?
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J. Mac
I think it's interesting that there's so many skeptics on Jordan Love. If you go Back to week 10 of last year to today, his numbers are unbelievable. Why is everybody doubting it works? It works. He's good. He's very good.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so that's fine. Very good. Has he been a top 10 quarterback in the league this season? I don't think. I mean, there's Sam Darnold playing way.
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J. Mac
Better than Dak Prescott. He doesn't, man. That's just a construct. Top 10 quarterback. He's been very good. He's been good enough to get you to a Super Bowl. Go back to week 10 of last year. I think it's week 10 or week 12 and you look at his numbers until today, he's an A quarterback. He may be a minus. He can be, you know, he's one of these guys that he's got a little bit of a Sam Darnold, Baker thing. Like he's going to let it rip and he's not going to lose any sleep if he throws an interception. He's not going to be protective or safe. And so, you know, but I think about this. If you are anywhere B plus plus to A minus, you mostly got your quarterback. And I think, I don't think you can even dispute it. He is somewhere in that space. He. I would say he's not quite the elite five, but he's very close to the rest. He's.
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Colin Cowherd
He's very good. The problem is when you're in the NFC playoffs, you're going to be going up against Jalen Hurts, Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold. I trust those guys in a big spot. I don't know that I'm there yet.
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J. Mac
Matt Stafford gets hurt a lot. The Rams running backs have ball security issues. Sam Darnold where his playoff wins and I like him too. I've got a veteran coach. I've got unbelievable weapons. Finally an edge pass rush. If Green Bay, if I had to bet somebody in the NFC championship today. If I had to bet. Green Bay's as good as bet as that conference has.
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Colin Cowherd
So they got the Bengals.
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J. Mac
Oh, yeah, they're scheduled. Let's start looking at their schedule.
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Colin Cowherd
Favor by 14 now.
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J. Mac
I know what is their schedule going forward? Have you seen it?
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Colin Cowherd
I think it's favorable. You know, you got a lot of giants on there.
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J. Mac
Think it's favorable.
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Colin Cowherd
Carolina. Jake Browning this weekend. Oh, I'm sorry. Joe Flacco this weekend, which is even just let.
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J. Mac
Just for the audience. Let's name the quarterbacks.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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J. Mac
Going forward that they're going to play.
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Colin Cowherd
Flacco.
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J. Mac
Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray. 41 year old Aaron Rodgers.
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Colin Cowherd
Bryce Young.
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J. Mac
Bryce Young. Jalen Hurts in a massively struggling offense. Jackson Dart whoever. Minnesota starts. That's a 6, 7 game sled of W's. Green Bay is, by the way, Green Bay open, you know, pretty, pretty interesting team. Dallas, which is really good offensively. Detroit's got great personnel, so we don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Baltimore, late week 17. Are they going to be playing for some?
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J. Mac
We don't know. Just don't forget what Green Bay did to Washington. And Jaden Daniels in week two. Ran them off the field. Washington just beat the chargers.
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Colin Cowherd
So the one big difference is getting that number one seed. The Niners are 4 and 1. They're going to be healthy soon. If Green Bay gets it, then the 49ers have to go to Lambeau, possibly. That's huge. Versus being at home out here in sunny or foggy San Francisco.
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J. Mac
J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the hurt. So I would term Baker Mayfield's relationship with me, we're frenemies. Is that if I saw him, I would be like, hey, what are you doing? And he'd be like, hey, good. How you doing? And then we go our separate way. I think I like him more than he likes me, but I've talked about him a lot. So Baker Mayfield, I swear he listens to our show yesterday or a couple days ago. He's talking about. About, you know, the critics. Yeah, I wonder who that is. The critics who say he's a little bit of a changed man. Told you guys that I try and not get too high, not get too low, which is something that I was not doing early on in my career, but, you know, early on in my career. Yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature. Now it's moxie. He's a dog. So it's same different day, just as long as you play well. They change the narrative. But you just got to be yourself. And I've always been like that. Okay, first of all, Baker Mayfield's too smart to not get wiser as he ages. He's a wiser version of Baker. Now, I do think, and I've said this multiple times, Baker's mostly still Baker. He's a smarter version, a little wiser because he's too smart not to be. We all grow and get smarter. I mean, that's just that dumb guys don't get smarter. Still banging their head on the wall. At 45, Baker's smart. And so the difference is the environments. Cleveland is cold, impulsive owner, bitter because of all the losing and not really a supportive media. Tampa's got a better infrastructure, better owners, great gm, they're inviting. Cleveland felt like they were poking him in the ribs. Tampa feels like they open every door from him. Office door, car door. They're just opening doors. From Hugh Jackson, a little bit of ego to Todd Bowles. No ego. So it doesn't feel like he's battling. He was. He felt like he was constantly under siege and battling. So I don't buy this. It's like, I'll give you an example, people that are fiery and intense. Take Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's fire didn't work early or late. I mean, he scored a bunch of points, but he didn't win a lot. Early Chicago, late Washington. You know where Michael won when he had the intellect of Steve Kerr next to him and then the Zen master, the psychologist, and Phil Jackson and kind of a chill Robin, Scottie Pippen, veterans BJ Armstrong, super smart Horace Grant. Michael scored a lot of points early and late, but his intensity wore people out early and late. It wasn't until he got the right supporting cast that he scored and won games because Michael's intimidating and Michael's intense. And that's the truth about people with big, fiery, confident personalities. Fit becomes essential. And Cleveland was kind of intimidated by it, didn't know what to do with it. And Tampa's like, we're looking for a pirate. It's Ybor City. It's cocktails early. They've always had talent. They don't have a meddling owner. Tampa's a great fit. Tampa empowers his personality. It felt like Cleveland was intimidated by it and poked at it. So Baker hasn't changed that much. He's changed a little bit. He's too smart not to have changed, and he's always going to have fired. That's his personality. I mean, I thought it was great in Seattle. But he was talking. He was talking trash to all these fans. Baker's going to do that as a grandpa. It is sons and his grandkids, you know, peewee games. That's who Baker is. That's his personality. He's an ass talker, and that's great. And then after he won the game, he went back to those people to talk trash. He put it on his Instagram. That's who Baker is. But he's a little wiser. And when you have that kind of personality support, support becomes the people around you. The surrounding environment becomes incredibly important. So yesterday I said something. Apparently some of you were deeply bothered by my assertion. It wasn't even an assertion. It was just early facts that Jared Goff's gonna be a Hall of Famer. I mean, listen, J. Max, like, oh, yeah, right, guys? I mean, I seriously buy your tickets to Canton. He's gonna be in there pretty soon.
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Colin Cowherd
I got many texts about this from. From friends and a couple fans. Cowards out of his mind. It's way too early for him.
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J. Mac
Okay, okay. So I want to talk. There's a reason why your friends are wrong, and I'm going to support them in their ability to get right. Plus Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll. Hmm. Interesting. Is there a squabble going on? We'll talk about that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
Start Saturday strong as number one Ohio State rolls to big noon with phenom Jeremiah Smith and rising star Julian Saan leading the charge against Illinois. It all starts with big noon kickoff back in champagne. Then it's Ohio State, Illinois, only on Fox.
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J. Mac
There is nothing wrong with working at one company with one boss and having great success. It's probably, you know, gives you a, you know, a sense of security. But there is something to be said about entrepreneurs that can start five different businesses and work with multiple people and succeed over and over and over. That's impressive, right? Like, like, and, and I yesterday I said, Jared Goff has had seven coordinators. He's been really good with six of them. The first was a disaster. The whole staff was. And I said, jared Goff's absolutely gonna be a Hall of Famer. Guy is still in his prime. Jared Goff does not get hurt, despite his kind of tall and lanky frame I would say he's got at least because his strength is throwing the football. And quarterbacks can throw the football. Drew Bledsoe could grab a football today and throw a 35 yard out. They lose their legs so Jared Goff has got four to five years of prime left because he throws. He's like Steph Curry. Steph will be able to shoot when he's 50, he'll just lose his legs. Goff's a thrower. And so. But when I said this yesterday, he's a first ballot hall of Famer, people just freaked out. So since 2017, eight years is a pretty big span. With seven coordinators. Number one in the league in completions, passing yards and big pass plays. Number two in passing touchdowns. And wins five playoff appearances, two conference championships. Again, he's still in his prime. But the two reasons why Pete, I mean, it's so obvious. If he was a flashy player, you would all have him in the hall of Fame. But he's not. So there's an aesthetic here. He's kind of boring. But if you think about why doesn't everybody get Jared Goff? Number one is first impressions matter. And his first season was brutal. 0 for 7. McVeigh wasn't there yet. He looked like a complete bust. He didn't know which direction the sunset. Remember that? You gotta see it on Hard Knocks. So you watch this disaster. First impressions are really powerful. And the second reason you're all struggling with it is Matt Stafford won a Super bowl the first year in LA. McVay punted on golf. First impressions are really powerful. Matt Stafford's first year in la, Jared Goff, first year, powerful moments. Let me remind you, Goff was a number one pick and Stafford was a number one pick. Okay? And people forget this. The Rams wanted a reboot at quarterback. So did the Lions. Brad Holmes is the least talked about, great personnel guy in the last 10 years in this league. He does not miss on his top picks in the draft. The gm, he does not miss on trades. Brad Holmes is great. What was his first move? To move off Stafford and to go get golf. So the big game hunting GM in Detroit's like, yeah, I'll take golf and the Rams will pay some of the salary. He's turned those picks with golf into home runs like Jameer Gibbs. But I think people forget that it's not linear. Jeter, Kobe, Elway, that's storybook. That doesn't happen much. One team, all those memories, loyal forever. Brady Belichick wanted about two years before he went to Tampa. Montana ends with the Chiefs. Peyton Manning ends with Denver. LeBron's had three separate moves. That's typical. Jeter, Kobe and Elway. That's storybook. That stuff doesn't happen. Michael Jordan, his Early teammates and coaches didn't like him and they couldn't stand in Washington. He got Phil. It all worked. So here's the other thing to remember, that Goff went to a total rebuild in Detroit and Stafford went to McVeigh, Andrew Whitworth, Cooper, Cop, Von Miller. Yet since the trade, look at the numbers between golf and Stafford and I love Stafford. Golf's better at everything. Wins, yards, touchdowns, fewer picks, passer rating. And that includes the rebuild years in Detroit. Stafford took over, baked, ready to pull out of the oven and consume. And golf's numbers are still better and we think the Rams know what they're doing. So the Rams were better initially, had kind of a quasi one year rebuild, hit on a bunch of defensive draft picks. Now Stafford's had the better defense, I would say on average. Goffs had to me. I mean they both had great receivers. Omaron St. Brown, Puka Cooper cup, now Devonte Adams. They both had good skilled people, both have good running backs. But if you look at the numbers since the trade, and that includes golf having to go through a two year rebuild, golf's numbers are better across the board. So it, but I think it just. First impressions are incredibly powerful. And that first year 0 and 7 and it was on Hard Knocks and then the Rams punt golf and then Stafford comes in and win. People just, they can't like put their arms around it. If Jared Goff had a little wiggle in his step, if he moved, I'm not saying like Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray, but if he moved like even Bo Nix, everybody would be like, oh yeah, it's a Hall of Famer. Goff is the last pure pocket guy we have drafted as a number one pick. It's interesting how it works. I mean Caleb Williams, I think it's fair to say, has struggled with basic operations with the Bears. And people are like, they always lean to the positive. I like what I see. It is getting very interesting. Golf's not as much fun to watch. The guy is second and wins first and everything else. Everybody's like, ah, I just don't see it. I've said this about Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook, you can't take your eyes off him. He's so hyper athletic. But he is a guard that can't shoot right. Like, like John Stockton, kind of boring, could shoot and did a lot of dirty work and it. But Stockton wasn't as much fun to watch, so. And that's just a lot of it. Goff is still in his prime and because he is not like An NBA shooter. He's going to age well. Jared Goff's going to age well. He's got a great gm. He's always going to have good players around him. Amaran, Saint Brown Prime, Panetta Prime. They just drafted interior lineman. Two of them look really good. J. Mac. What, are your friends texting now?
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, I didn't look at my phone. I was trying to come up with a comp for golf. Because you think he's such a lock. So I think the best I can come up with is Philip Rivers. Really, really good quarterback. Great regular season numbers, longevity. I mean, he played 17 seasons.
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J. Mac
How many conference championships?
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Colin Cowherd
No MVPs.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
No Super bowl appearances. But he had a 57 playoff record. Golf is four and five currently. So, I mean, golf is on track.
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J. Mac
But golf is having to do much more postseason success.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, 4 and 5 versus 5 and 7.
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J. Mac
No, but I mean, he's getting to conference championships.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Okay, well that's, you know, it's like Andy Reid was great before Kansas City.
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Colin Cowherd
But do you think Rivers is a lock?
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J. Mac
No, I don't think.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so. And do you think golf, like, is that much better than Philip Rivers? Like, I know they're impressive.
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J. Mac
It's not about who's better, it's about it. A lot of it's productivity. And if you go eight years into Philip Rivers career, did he have the most wins in the league? Did he have the most big plays in the league? I mean, Philip was great. You'll never argue, you know, I'll never bang on Philip Rivers. I loved Philip Rivers game. He wasn't very athletic. Less athletic than golf, actually. Yeah, but at the end, especially. But when, when you start putting up these numbers, you know, it's just, it's a classic example. If you keep succeeding like anybody. I mean, let's be honest. A lot of Powerball winners either go broke or lose a majority of the money. Right. Some people do get like a great hand in life. They get rich, parents, they're trust fund kids. But to me, it's always been about what do you do with it? Like, what do you do if you. Let's say tomorrow you win the Powerball at LA. So you get about 5 of it. Can you turn the 5 into 25? Most people can't.
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Colin Cowherd
I could.
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J. Mac
They turned a 5 into 1. Right. Or less than that. So my point is, yeah, Jared Goff got McVeigh and Andrew Whitworth. Okay, that was a great break. And he got to a Super bowl and then he got a great GM but they were awful when he got there. And he keeps winning.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
The best case for golf is, man, he got kicked to the curb by McVeigh.
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J. Mac
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
That was. That was harsh. He went to a Super bowl and he didn't give up or throw in the towel or stink. He kind of thrived. And I think that's great. I just. It's a. To me, it's a little reach to say hall of Fame. I definitely am a fan. I think he's been outstanding. He's got a little work to do.
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J. Mac
Ask you this. Detroit gets to a Super Bowl, Jared Goff with still five years of prime, will be to two Super Bowls.
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Colin Cowherd
It's pretty good.
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J. Mac
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, Russell Wilson only got two.
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J. Mac
Okay. But again, Russell is a prime example.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. That's why I brought him up.
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J. Mac
Let's go to back to the beginning of my argument. Who did Russell succeed with? Kind of one group of players right by the end. Pete wanted about Tomlin wanted him out, Peyton wanted him out, and D's not interested. So Russell had, like, golf this really good run, but did he succeed with multiple people? And that's the start of this rant. Part of what makes golf great is seven coordinators and six he's crushed with.
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Colin Cowherd
What hurts Russell Wilson is he struggled in Denver. Did not butted heads with Peyton.
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J. Mac
Struggled. Nice.
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Colin Cowherd
Then he was in Pittsburgh that, you know, last of the year. Now he's in the Giants. He's been benched before September was finished.
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J. Mac
So if you're close, like one of the arguments for Philip Rivers, it actually helps him in this way. When he was at his oldest and the least athletic quarterback in the league, and he was. And Philip would at first admit it, he goes to Indianapolis, goes 11 5, goes to Buffalo for a playoff game. And they were in that thing, covered the spread. I remember. So Philip Rivers, old Philip got out of comfortable, went to kind of rebuilding Indianapolis. The roster Indy had then is not nearly as good as the roster now. For Daniel Jones, this roster now Indy is legit. Top 10, top 7 roster that wasn't 11 and 5 go to Buffalo. Toe to toe with Josh Allen. And I remember that game. You're like, this is a real. And that was when Buffalo was at the height of their powers. So how you end when your borderline matters, Golf's gonna age really well. Greg Cosell, 20 minutes of brilliance. Next. Today's episode brought to you by a scent that's made a legendary comeback degree. Original cool rush. The OG is back and better than ever. Cool rush isn't just a scent. It's a movement kind of fragrance guys remember. Ask for by name and rave about online. It's bold. It's fresh all day. Sweat protection, cool, crisp vibe that made it legendary. So whether you're heading to the gym, the office or just trying to stay fresh all day long, Cool Rush has your back. So if you haven't tried it yet, head to your local Walmart. Grab degree Cool Rush, the fan favorite scent from the world's number one antiperspirant brand. Hear insightful, entertaining discussions on today's important.
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