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Was he a businessman? A criminal? A hero?

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Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

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Now let's get this party started.

LeVar Arrington (3:02)

You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. And away we go on a Monday. It is the Herd on FOX Sports Radio. No calling. It is Levar Arrington and Jonas Knox in for the crew here. We're going to take you all the way up until 3 o' clock Eastern Time, noon Pacific. You can listen to this show as always on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country live during that three hour duration. If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so. You can hear Lavar and I weekday morning, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific on a show called Two Pros and a Cup of Joe alongside Brady Quinn. But it is sticks and I a little bit of black and drack on this Monday morning for some free agency frenzy and legal tampering.

Jonas Knox (3:55)

Yeah, you look great. I'll still never understand. Well, I'm overweight, but thank you.

LeVar Arrington (4:00)

Now you look like you feel relieved.

Jonas Knox (4:03)

I feel relieved.

LeVar Arrington (4:05)

You might have lost some weight.

Jonas Knox (4:06)

Everybody out there listening. You might not have known you were rooting for me, but thank you for pulling for me and rooting for me. Had a nice cup of coffee on my 21st anniversary with, with Big Trish. What up and night. It was a great coffee. Is very, very, very nice gourmet coffee. Gave it some time to stay at home, you know, had enough time to drink it and do what, you know, coffee does to you for you in the morning. But nothing really happened. You know, I just had it enjoyed, had a nice hug. Hi, see you when I get back. Got into the car, got to the gas station, got the gas, got up out of the, was heading up onto the, the ramp to get onto the, the traffic ridden highway to get me here. And let's just say while there was a ton of gridlock and traffic on the highway, that gridlock and that traffic opened up in my, my belly.

LeVar Arrington (5:06)

Oh yeah.

Jonas Knox (5:07)

And, and I had to go 45, 50 minutes of mind control to make it here this morning and, and actually be able to deliver the kids to

LeVar Arrington (5:19)

the pool

Jonas Knox (5:22)

void of any accidents or prematurely dropping them off. You know, you ever see somebody like jump off of a roof or something like being silly, trying to get to the pool and they don't make it to the pool. That's what I was trying to avoid this morning.

LeVar Arrington (5:36)

Yeah, there's been some that have tried it off this parking structure before.

Jonas Knox (5:43)

Lot going on. I could have been on that list today. It was very close. But I did make it, everyone. So we're gonna have a great show. So here we go. All right.

LeVar Arrington (5:50)

Well, I guess that is the perfect transition.

Jonas Knox (5:52)

It is great transition. I mean, you know, from one toilet to another, it's.

LeVar Arrington (5:56)

It is perfect. To a tug of Iloa and the Miami Dolphins are no more. The Miami Dolphins have officially parted ways by releasing Tua. It is a $99 million dead cap hit, which is a record NFL and apparently they're going to split it over the next two years because they're going to make him a post June 1st designation. But he's going to make $54 million from the dolphins and that'll be that for the Tua Tug of Iloa experience with the Miami Dolphins, who. I know, I know a lot of people are, are. Are taking the shots or the victory laps now because they look at it and they go, oh, well, you know, clearly he was the third best quarterback in that draft class. When you consider he was next to Joe Burrow and he was next to Justin Herbert and all that. And Miami made a m. I get all that. Look, they, they tried. They wanted Joe Burrow. They didn't get him. And then they chose Tua over Justin Herbert. Clearly not the right choice, not the right decision. But I do think it also bears pointing out the concussions really changed everything. Completely changed everything for the trajectory of Tua's career. And so because of that and other things, now Tua finds himself away from Miami, gone from the Dolphins, and making $54 million this next year.

Jonas Knox (7:18)

Victory laps. I mean, if people want to take victory laps, that's not a. That wasn't a hard race to. To run and win. I mean, I think a lot of people felt as though because of the cap situation, that the Miami Dolphins were almost forced to try to figure out what to do with Tua for another season at least. Bless you. And, and at the end of the, the, the. The road in this scenario, I think you. You have to take a good look at it and say, man, like, this is a record breaking, record setting cap hit. Dig cap hit loss in the league. And guess who set the record not too long ago. You got it? Do you got it?

LeVar Arrington (8:00)

Who's that?

Jonas Knox (8:00)

You know who said it? Russell Wilson. Oh, well. Set that record. So interestingly enough, coincidentally enough, Russell Wilson has not been the same quarterback. Is there any comparisons here? Let's see. You got an undersized quarterback, didn't have a legitimate running attack to to help him in the passing game. Passing game kind of took a dip and suffered. Sounds a little comparable in comparison Jonas and I would say my biggest question here is if I'm to a Tonga Valoa and I get to make $54 million guaranteed I think and that's before a structuring right. I think it might be more. It could be more. I'm not certain. I wish we had cue to be able to discuss the you know the details of the contracts but but with that being said.

LeVar Arrington (8:57)

Got him.

Jonas Knox (8:59)

I'm just curious as to what do you do. Isn't that the biggest question if you're too what do you do if you make this amount of money and you got it as a parting gift. Take care of your head, take care of your family. I'm not one to tell you what to do but if I'm giving you advice on what I think would be the best thing for you to to do. Your game did take a a change for the dramatics of not being as good once you were making sure you were limiting the amount of times you were hit.

LeVar Arrington (9:35)

The reports are that the Falcons are going to pursue TUA and the reason why it would make sense for Atlanta is because you've got Michael Penix Jr. You got another lefty and two that you could bring in. Kevin Stefanski is now the head coach there. He's. He's done things with quarterbacks before and operated and done a really good job with quarterbacks and maybe people thought he couldn't get a lot out of you know, case in point Joe Flacco when he did it and brought him in and he won comeback player of the year which still by the way one of the most amazing things and feats I've ever seen in my life. Joe Flacco, one comeback player of the year for a partial season and he beat out a guy who almost died on the field. That's one of the, one of the great achievements in the history of the NFL. So Kevin Stefanski, there's some thought that he would bring into it and the reason also financially why it makes sense similar to Kyler, is that because of the money that they're making from their former team they can sign a, a a low rate deal for a little over a million dollars because they're still going to get their full 50 plus million from their from his previous team. So if you're Atlanta and you want to create some competition. If you're not sold on Michael Penix Jr. And you want to bring in another lefty to the fold, to a, to Atlanta would make some sense. And you know, you mentioned, you know, if you're to take care of your head, take care of your health. Look, we spent a long time talking about, you know, the Samoans, the Tongans, the Hawaiians. They don't operate that way, brother. It's not, that's not the way they operate.

Jonas Knox (11:14)

It's a warrior mentality, warriors creed.

LeVar Arrington (11:17)

He's gonna play. And I think that, that, you know, in part led to, look, he's not a big guy, so, yeah, he should, you know, slide early, do this, but that's not, that's just not the way he, that's not the way he operates.

Jonas Knox (11:31)

But I think he did avoid contact this past season and I think it did impact the way that his results were, you know, within the games. He did not take hits and you didn't want to see him take any hits. And the seasons pass where you saw those hits take place and he was on the ground and his fingers was doing the crip signs and throwing up, you know, gang signs out there on the field like that. That, that ain't it. That's not it.

LeVar Arrington (11:58)

And

Jonas Knox (12:01)

sure, I, I, I, I would assume you're right in the fact that he will look at this and want to continue to play, but if I'm a team in the NFL, if I'm the Atlanta Falcons, the first thing I'm looking at is his head injuries report. If I'm any team in the NFL, I'm looking at the head injury reports and I just, I just don't feel compelled to take that chance. I, I think I could take that chance with a lot of other quarterbacks and while there may be the, the opportunity or the, the potential of what you could get out of TUA coming to your team, or even a safety valve considering to be maybe a safety net for someone like a Michael Pennix who's also injury prone. I, I think that I mentioned Russell Wilson earlier and I mentioned him not because of the injury, I just mentioned that because of the fall off. Why take a chance on a player that you already saw the fall off taking place in Miami? I know you say coaches feel like they can save these guys and my system can develop them, and we have seen guys that didn't have great starts to their careers actually come back to life in a different setting. If that happens, it's great. But I think the one determining factor here with TUA that make gives me tremendous pause is his head injuries. Like this isn't about if you can clean up and fix him playing the game, get better results from him as a quarterback. He's been a good quarterback. He's been a good quarterback. So it's not like he hasn't had success as a quarterback. That's what led to him having this large contract to begin with. The biggest concern and the biggest issue and the reason why sometimes you got to save somebody from themselves to. It probably isn't going to go into retirement after this, but he probably should. And if I'm a team and I'm looking at this, if I'm looking at a guy that because of head injuries, probably should make the decision to walk away, he's got a great payday to go, you know, live the rest of his life and be comfortable with him and his family. You could do all the tongue and tease all you want, wherever you want. Playing some 2et, some. Some beach. Beach catch. Play some catch with your kids, with your family. You don't need to do it in the NFL. I'm just saying for me, hardline stance, with that many head injuries and the way it looked playing out on national television for all to see over and over and over again multiple times, it maybe the best, the best decision to make is to move on with your life.

LeVar Arrington (14:44)

He did take a shot this year. I forget who it was, but I think it was on. It might have been a Thursday night game. I forget like what. There was a game I watched where he did take a shot. Like it was a legitimate shot to the head and he got right back up. So I do think there's been some time since got right back up.

Jonas Knox (15:01)

But what was your thought when you saw it hit?

LeVar Arrington (15:04)

Oh, God, like somebody call a medic.

Jonas Knox (15:06)

Okay.

LeVar Arrington (15:07)

Yeah, like.

Jonas Knox (15:08)

So even if he got right back up, do you not think that there was an impact on him and on his head, even though he was able to get right back up?

LeVar Arrington (15:15)

It's the Alex Smith stuff. When Alex Smith came back from that gruesome leg injury he suffered, I remember the first game back he was playing against the Rams and I was watching with my head kind of turned when he got tackled the first time, it was Aaron Donald. And I just thought to myself, man, bring him down and off his feet. Like, don't let his leg get planted. Don't let. So there's always that, that sort of cautious and that's a leg. That's a leg.

Jonas Knox (15:43)

And so you can move through life. Like, I know because my pops, you can move through life with a limb not being what it needs to be. Like you can limp around, you can, you know, you could use the other hand, like, but your head.

LeVar Arrington (16:00)

Look, I, and I get it much different.

Jonas Knox (16:01)

It's a much bigger conversation when your head is involved.

LeVar Arrington (16:05)

I also think that calls into question, you know, if all of that stuff was on the table, why did the Dolphins give him the deal they gave him after all that stuff was on the table?

Jonas Knox (16:16)

It's a very good, it's a good, good point.

LeVar Arrington (16:18)

And I think, I think the reason they did it is because they were sort of in this, in between where he didn't show flashes of being the greatest quarterback in the league. You're not going to find a Mahomes or a Josh Allen and a tua. But he did play, and you mentioned this, he did play good football. It's not like there was a thought that, you know, the Brian Flores experiment happened and Brian Flores, for anybody that wants to, you know, kiss, kiss his and talk about, oh wow, he was right about to know. He butchered that from the get go. All right. Like he was pulling a rookie quarterback out of games early so that Ryan Fitzpatrick could finish it. Like that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Go through the growing pains. We talked about this for Fernando Mendoza and then all of a sudden Mike McDaniel gets there and he, he finds something with Tua. He starts to play at a high level. Two was good. The concussions derailed everything. Like he played at a high level. He played really good football. The concussions derailed. That stuff got in the way. And then this past year happened and you knew that his time was limited in Miami based on the fact that he started calling out teammates.

Jonas Knox (17:30)

His time was limited.

LeVar Arrington (17:32)

He started, he started total time. He started calling out teammates. There was some. And then he had to come back afterwards.

Jonas Knox (17:39)

Accidental. It seemed good natured, good hearted. But the way it was perceived after you could hear it, that was one of those ones. Once he heard it, he probably wishes he could have it back.

LeVar Arrington (17:50)

And I just, you know, but it happened. And then afterwards they're like, what would you think about a change of scenery? He goes, you know, that's probably a good idea. Like after the seat, he just, I think he just.

Jonas Knox (18:00)

That change of scenery should be his crib. I mean that's, that scenery should be the vacating from the NFL altogether.

LeVar Arrington (18:10)

I, I also think coach, be a coach. I also think that he was in an impossible situation because he was always going to be compared to Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. Like, that's, that is always.

Jonas Knox (18:24)

First of all, he's made it to the playoffs just like those guys. Joe Burrows made it to a, to a Super Bowl. I get that. But I don't know what Joe Burrow is going to be moving forward. He was like, in this weird space this past season. And Justin Herbert always when he gets to the playoffs. Yeah, no, no, he winning.

LeVar Arrington (18:45)

Let me tell you something.

Jonas Knox (18:46)

Hey, I said 21 years today, bro.

LeVar Arrington (18:49)

Hey, Jessica Alba and Madison Beer got news for you, man.

Jonas Knox (18:55)

I got news for you. Business as a quarterback is good. Business is real good at quarterback. I'm just saying, man. Hey, if he's always going to be compared to them, get on my level, bro. Like, he, he got his money and, and he still seemingly. I don't know what, what Tua's, you know, vitals are on, on his, his activation and operation of, of brain. Brain function, but if you still like, bro, like, save your brain, man. Seriously. And I'm not trying to like, be on no joking type matter on this. It's a very serious thing. It's funny because we make it a point to focus in. At least I've made it a point to focus in on the amount of concussions and, and head injuries he's had, but it happens to probably other, other players more, other positions more than the quarterback's position. I just think that there's such a focal point on the position that when something like that happens, it hits a little different. You know, like, like when you're watching a movie or cartoon or TV show, and then the TV show, like the main character is just busting off on people. Bow shot that person. Bow shot that person. Like, you could watch them take down at least 10, 15 people, but let somebody cut them or let somebody like, shoot them and they got to go. It's like, oh, it hits you different. You're like desensitized to actually looking at the impact on others. I always say, you want to like, have a cool show. Take one of the shows of where the hero is busting off on everybody to get to the mission and then the objective of the TV show and do a story on one of them people that he shot down, he mowed down on his way to helping and save somebody's life. Anyway, the point I'm making is, is that we look at Tua and the, the amount of importance you place on his mental and, and head health is probably much higher because of the amount of attention and Time that's been put on, covering it and showing in it, showing it. It's almost like it's sensationalized to sit there and show the aftermath and the effects of when he's gotten hit and has sustained these concussions.

LeVar Arrington (21:16)

Well, you know, we from from tua tatoohy for some breaking news. Breaking news from fox sports, guys. You know, it's. You know what time it is, right? It's legal tampering time. We got our first big signing, guys.

Jonas Knox (21:35)

All right, what we got?

LeVar Arrington (21:36)

Alec pierce from the colts is heading Back to Indy. Four years, $114 million deal according to schefter. Rapoport, Ian rapoport. A lot of people thought he could be going to new england or potentially Washington, Vegas, Tennessee. That's interesting.

Jonas Knox (21:51)

You know what?

LeVar Arrington (21:52)

Let's. I didn't think chris ballard had it in. Let's not bury the lead here. That's a win for us to. Eh. Yeah. We did it.

Jonas Knox (22:00)

Oh, man. Everyone out there wondering what jonas knox is talking about. Alec pierce happens to be white.

LeVar Arrington (22:13)

That guy see through. What do you mean? All right.

Jonas Knox (22:18)

Yeah. Clean cut, all american looking dude from, you know, up top.

LeVar Arrington (22:22)

Tui told you we could do it.

Jonas Knox (22:24)

Play that Cincinnati. He's a beer cat, you know, good for him, man.

LeVar Arrington (22:28)

And by the way, good player, good

Jonas Knox (22:31)

size, good height to him, good speed,

LeVar Arrington (22:33)

very good deer threat.

Jonas Knox (22:34)

Yeah.

LeVar Arrington (22:35)

So, yeah, going back to indy. There you go. One of the prizes of the off season. Love me some legal tampering.

Jonas Knox (22:41)

I'll throw him the ball. Is it going to be daniel jones? You got to figure that one out.

LeVar Arrington (22:44)

Oh, I don't know. Tui was campaigning for jack trudeau earlier for some reason. I don't know what that was about. He's got something left in that arm, I think. I mean, the colts have run through a lot of quarterbacks over the past several years, so who knows.

Jonas Knox (22:58)

So ursay is making big moves in indy to make sure she's building that damn right up the right way.

LeVar Arrington (23:05)

Damn right.

Jonas Knox (23:06)

She's got enough information in her notes that she looked at it when she was in the office and said, you know what? Alec pierce, he fits the mold. Listen, he fits the criteria of somebody that we need to keep here and give a nice contract. Let's give him that.

LeVar Arrington (23:21)

That's elite note taking. There. It is. I understand why you have to just

Jonas Knox (23:24)

be on that sideline taking them notes, bro.

LeVar Arrington (23:27)

By the way, be sure to check out our brand new YouTube channel for the show. Just search 2pros FSR on YouTube again. That's 2pros FSR be sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there, hit the thumbs up icon and comment away. Let us know who on the show you agree with, who you think is wrong, but check out our new channel on YouTube. Again, just sear search 2 pros FSR and subscribe LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for the Herd today and this went way better than anybody expected over the weekend. We'll tell you what it is next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific Stigatz here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to Ivar. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugac company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls. I love you guys show. It's one of my favorites. A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugatson Co. And Stugots Co. Live. So listen to Stugots Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugatson Co. And God bless Football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

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Once you've established that you have the

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talent, it's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. We would sit in kibbutz for hours and then eventually get around to the music. That's what I mostly think of when I think of him. The time together. Laughing Lawyer Robbie Kaplan. The great gift of being a lawyer

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Yeah. Windsor's the perfect example.

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And journalist Chris Whipple. Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing, and it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Jonas Knox (27:52)

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

LeVar Arrington (27:56)

Hi, dad.

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And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and

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she says, I have some cookies and milk.

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This is badass. Convict me just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at Mom.

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When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside.

Jonas Knox (29:04)

It was like stepping in another world.

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Inside Charlie, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

LeVar Arrington (29:15)

You saw the kkk.

Jonas Knox (29:16)

Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform.

LeVar Arrington (29:20)

The KKK set out to raid Charlie,

Podcast Host/Announcer (29:23)

take him away from here.

Jonas Knox (29:25)

Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

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From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and. And visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

LeVar Arrington (29:52)

It's the herd on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington. Jonas Knox in for Colin. We are going to maybe get into a little bit here about something that went way better than anybody expected in the world of sports over the weekend. But as we mentioned, it is the legal tampering period. The window has opened in the NFL, and it's time for some more breaking news from tui. Breaking news from Fox Sports. All right, great. Tui. What do we got? This is a big one, guys. Kenneth Walker is joining the Kansas City Chiefs. All right, big one. Big one. This kind of seemed inevitable after the Trent McDuffie trade, right? Like they were going to. Going after a big fish. When's the last time they had a dependable running back that you could look at and go, that's the guy, man. I mean, Priest Holmes. Dang. Yeah.

Jonas Knox (30:49)

Larry Johnson came after Priest home. What up?

LeVar Arrington (30:51)

I mean, we are.

Jonas Knox (30:52)

Well, hold on. Come on. Larry Johnson was a beast. Hold on. Now, they had what,

Podcast Host/Announcer (30:59)

Charles?

Jonas Knox (31:02)

I like Pacheco.

LeVar Arrington (31:03)

Yeah, but just get hurt.

Jonas Knox (31:05)

He gets hurt.

LeVar Arrington (31:06)

And look, you had Clyde Edwards, who was Hunt.

Jonas Knox (31:10)

There was a two. Two. Hit it. Monster Hunt. And who. Who was that man there? There was two backs. I don't know. They've had some pretty good backs, though.

LeVar Arrington (31:22)

I just, I look at. But they haven't had a guy that you look at and go, all right, that's a bell cow, right? Like, that's the lead. Like a Derek Henry.

Jonas Knox (31:30)

And.

LeVar Arrington (31:31)

And. And you look at. But what Kenneth Walker did late in the season, Zach Charbonnet goes down and he was massive for them. And I was surprised they didn't. They didn't put the franchise tag on him. I was Surprised they let him walk. But I think that's also an indication that they feel like, look, it's a tough, tough call, tough decision. Appreciate everything he did. You know, he's got to walk at the height of his career, just won super bowl mvp. But we're just going to go take our chances and try and get cheaper at the running back position.

Jonas Knox (32:02)

Try and get cheaper.

LeVar Arrington (32:04)

Well, go get cheap. Like, that's, that's the way it looks like, and we've talked about this before, to think where the running back position was years ago when it next to quarterback was the face of the league and to where it is now to where a guy just won super bowl mvp and they're like, see you, buddy. Like, we'll see you. Thank you. We're not even giving you, give you the tag. Go have fun. Legal tampering window opens. And now Patrick Mahomes has got some help in the backfield and it's going to be Kenneth Walker going from Seattle.

Jonas Knox (32:37)

Listen, it is some help. It, it certainly does help. Kenneth Walker is, is a fine football player and, and showed how fine of a player he was by being the best player in this year's Super Bowl. That was going to be a defensive heavy game. You were going to need your running game to be a part of it. And Seattle's run game delivered and Kenneth Walker delivered. I guess I would ask the question. I guess if it improves your team, then there's nothing wrong with it. But I don't, I don't feel as though bringing Kenneth Walker in alleviates the, the pressure that you have mounting in terms of letting McDuffie go on the defense side of the ball. I'm, I'm curious to see what they do to shore up their defense, to, to make sure that their defense is what it needs to be moving forward and, and curious as to what do you do at the quarterback's position. Obviously, you're going to try to figure out how to run the ball or, or get better at running the ball. If you're kc because you don't know what the future holds for Patrick Mahomes right now in, in upcoming, upcoming weeks and months and, and days of, of his career. So until you can get him back healthy, fully in the mix and ready to go and confident in that leg and what he does, I would assume that you have to, one, have a quarterback that can stand in there and help you be competitive until he gets back. But two, you want to have a running game that alleviates the stress and the pressure on, on the guy that you're putting in there and to that point to do it for Patrick Mahomes when he gets back as well.

LeVar Arrington (34:39)

The Chiefs haven't had a thousand yard rusher since 2017.

Jonas Knox (34:41)

I just looked it up. I was like, man, y' all are right.

LeVar Arrington (34:44)

It's just not been.

Jonas Knox (34:45)

Kareem Hunt is probably the closest they got to like a guy that, that was kind of pushing to be the bell cow back for them and, and it.

LeVar Arrington (34:54)

And you know, clearly they've had plenty of success. So it's not like, well, that that's going to really hold them back, you know, the Super Bowls, the dynasty, all that stuff. But I do think this is also, if you've got a quarterback like Mahomes who's coming back from the injury and they're optimistic that he's going to be there and ready to go, you know, to start the year and all, all that's fine. But worst case scenario, he's not there. They got to start off the season putting him on the PUP list. Okay. Or he comes back, he is ready for the start of the season, but it takes him some time to get used to the new normal, which is a surgically repaired leg. Yeah, you're going to need some help. And if you've got a back there that you can depend on, I look, I thought they would have been one of the teams that would have taken a shot at Jeremiah Love in the draft with a, with a top 10 pick and go running back in the draft. But the fact that they've made this move and we've seen Andy Reid offenses in Philly, when he's got a back that can catch the ball out of the backfield, that's Love screen big time. And so I look at that and I go, that's where you, a guy like Kenneth Walker can step in and can be of help at a position of need that they've needed for quite a while and then they look at it and they go on defense. It's not ideal that we lost Trent McDuffie, but you know, we've got to make. They did the same thing with Legerius need a couple of years ago and I think that's probably where they try and get better in the draft or who knows, maybe, you know, we'll get a tui tampering update at some point on the show and the Chiefs are going to attack the defensive side of the ball.

Jonas Knox (36:31)

You know, I think we built Patrick Mahomes up to be this larger than life figure because he's accomplished so much that would be deserving of the, the things that are allotted his way, the reverence towards him, the, the respect factor. He's built up a lot of great will. Not just goodwill, but great will. And so we talk about Patrick Mahomes as if he's this invincible figure. I think the first thing you got to take a look at is one, he did go down to, to a serious leg injury. That's 1 for 2. This offense hasn't been what it's needed to be. And need I say, I mean, I mean he's thrown for some, some, some good yards during the course of the season. Having a 5,000 yard season not too long ago, what, 20, 22. But when Eric B. Enemy left, and I'm not, I'm not making this about Eric B. Enemy, but I'm saying in that moment in time when Eric B. Enemy left the team, that offense has seemed to not be the same since that departure took place. Whatever took, whatever happened in that moment of time, the offense hasn't seemed to get back on track. I mean, and obviously you had the, the departure of, you had the departure of the Cheetah and Tyreek Hill.

LeVar Arrington (37:49)

I know what you're doing.

Jonas Knox (37:51)

I, I just, again, I don't, I don't. And it's interesting. We're going to bring, I believe we're going to bring TJ on today. I asked the fellas, I asked them on, on Saturdays, by the way, 9am West, West coast time. I asked the fellas on Saturday because I, I didn't want to feel like I'm going crazy here because at times last week I did. Is this, is this the end of the road? Like, how should we be looking at this Kansas City Chiefs team right now? Is the window closing?

LeVar Arrington (38:25)

Well, you were, you were, I think you were trying to say, and I don't want to put words in your mouth because I would never want to do that. But I think you were trying to say that the Chiefs should fire Andy Reid and make Eric B. Enemy that coach.

Jonas Knox (38:36)

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm not saying.

LeVar Arrington (38:38)

Let's just run with that.

Jonas Knox (38:39)

That's exactly what we certainly would get. We would go viral.

LeVar Arrington (38:45)

Should we fire that off?

Jonas Knox (38:47)

I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to go do shock, shock value to get, to get views and listen, just

LeVar Arrington (38:53)

see how long we can keep a straight face for.

Jonas Knox (38:55)

But I am saying that sometimes we may lose track of the fact that Patrick Mahomes is a person.

LeVar Arrington (39:03)

Yeah.

Jonas Knox (39:03)

He's not an alien. He's not this Mythical figure.

LeVar Arrington (39:07)

It's also, if we're going to be honest, man, like, you are correct. The offense has not looked like this high powered, you know, Houston Oilers run and shoot from back for years where you could bring in Cody Carlson and he throw for 5,000 yards. Like you're not like that. We're not talking about that. The defense has been the more consistent side of the side of the ball.

Jonas Knox (39:31)

And that's the thing, like the conversations have always been about, well, as long as you got Patrick Mahomes well, as long as you got Patrick Mahomes. And the biggest moments of late, of recent, like, oh, well, they made it to the Super Bowl. Their defenses up through the years, the defense through the years has come up so big in the most pivotal moments and the most critical moments of their seasons. It has been the defense that has delivered. And so that's why I led off with back to the original point. Bringing in Kenneth Walker is a great move for them because I believe he is a hard nose, lunch pail type of guy. He's a normal type of guy. No diva connected to him in any type of way. He's a workhorse. That's great for what they're trying to do. If they're going to try to bang the ball, run the ball, establish the run and, and be able to have that set up the pass with whatever their quarterback situation is going to be, that's, that's, that's a good move for them. But again, we, we mentioned Chris Jones getting aged. He's, he's aging. Carloftis dope, dope player makes plays. Can this defense return to form? And, and actually I don't even want to say bail out. They have won games for them. They have won championships for this team. Is this defense this year good enough to lead the way? And that's going to be the biggest question that has to be answered. If, if the offense comes back and they're able to be good, I would be surprised. I really would. It, it's going to be on the defense to make sure that they carry this team through the course of this upcoming season. And is this a defense that can do it? I'm a big believer in Spags. Spagnola is a, is a great, great coach in terms of being able to game plan and find the weaknesses in an offense. Overload the line, bring blitzes from different positions and different places on the field where you thought they were in coverage, but they end up coming in on a blitz. He overloads. He does a really great job but can he bring that to the table this year? And probably in my estimation, one of the most pivotal years for this Kansas City franchise.

LeVar Arrington (41:58)

You're just looking for improvements from year in and year out. I think that's every team's goal, or at least publicly that's what they say their goal is. And so if you're the Chiefs and you're coming off a six win season last year, you just need to find five wins on the schedule because you already have two with the Raiders. So if you just find five others on the schedule, oh, watch your mouth, everything's gonna be all right. Cause you do have that bye week that resides right across the street from Mandalay Bay. So there is that. So it's not. We'll keep you posted. And again, this is the Tuohy Tracker. The legal tampering window is open. Tongan Tuohy is here to give us the updates throughout the course of this show. It is Levar Arrington.

Jonas Knox (42:45)

Amazing job, Tu, by the way, Great job.

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LeVar Arrington (47:50)

It's a herd on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin coming up top of next hour. We'll call it a little over 15 minutes from now. We're going to tell you how apparently one team is really trying hard to make you forget about a decision they made last offseason in the NFL. That'll be yours here again a little over 15 minutes from now. Before. Before we get to the Herdline News, want to let you know that if you've missed any of today's show, you want to catch the podcast. Just search two pros wherever you get your podcast. Right after the show, today's pod will be posted. Be sure to follow it. Rated 5 stars. You can even provide a review. Again, just search two pros. Whoever get your podcast, you'll find today's full show and a best of version posted right after we get off the air. And before we get to the Herdline News, we've got more from the Tongan Tui transaction wire. The legal tampering window is open. Greg Tuohy, what's the latest breaking news from Fox Sports? All right, this just came down. We, we told you last hour that or earlier this hour that Alec Pierce was resigning in Indy. That's right. Well, guess what happened now. They're trading Michael Pittman to the Steelers. Lavar Steelers. Sounds like a late round pick swap.

Jonas Knox (49:01)

I'm sitting here looking at a picture of Carly Ursay right here. Carly Ursay Gordon. And I see her notes. She's walking fine.

LeVar Arrington (49:10)

What are you talking about?

Jonas Knox (49:11)

Well, I. Okay, yeah, so I'm glad that Michael Pman Jr. Is going to the Steelers. That is a tremendous addition to the team.

LeVar Arrington (49:26)

Daddy.

Jonas Knox (49:26)

If.

LeVar Arrington (49:30)

Are they trying to. Are they trying to appease an Aaron Rodgers return here? Giving him another weapon? Potentially feels like it.

Jonas Knox (49:37)

It does feel like that would be a nice duo. I. I just couldn't understand why they let Pickens go. When you bring in dk, if you have DK and Pickens, if they could coexist, that's nice. That's a great duo. It could be a best tandem developed in in the league. Instead you go though that, well, I don't know that Pittman Jr. Has an ego in this scenario. No, no, no. I know what you're saying but what I'm saying is is can they coexist because one ego is more than enough. When one ego gets in in the way, it still can have an impact on ego list type of guys. So I don't know. Seems like a good signing though and could be a signal to Aaron Rodgers to come on back and, and throw to these two guys.

LeVar Arrington (50:21)

So when you, when we talked about the Alec Pierce signing, there was a graphic that was posted on X from the NFL X account. You know, Colts wide receiver Alec Pierce agrees to term on an extension with with the Indianapolis colts. Michael Pittman Jr responds and goes deserved congrats AP and then 15 minutes later gets traded to the Steelers. So it's a.

Jonas Knox (50:45)

He probably already knew it.

LeVar Arrington (50:47)

Cold hearted world out here.

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Another one.

LeVar Arrington (50:52)

Breaking news from Fox Sports. We got quarterback news. We got quarterback news. Packers free agent quarterback Malik Willis has agreed to a deal or will agree to a deal today with the Miami Dolphins.

Jonas Knox (51:05)

That makes sense.

LeVar Arrington (51:07)

The Miami connection.

Jonas Knox (51:08)

Makes sense.

LeVar Arrington (51:09)

The Miami connection.

Jonas Knox (51:10)

Liberty and you, I mean you blew out Tua. Like you now can ask answer the question why Tua was blown out and they didn't wait. So yeah, you're right.

LeVar Arrington (51:20)

So the, the blew him right on out of there. And, and also, you know, Jeff Halfley was in Miami. Is it John Eric Sullivan who's the GM for the, for the Miami Dolphins now? I believe it's John Eric Sullivan, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it's, I mean but you know, I've said it before. It's it said like that's a serial killer name. I don't care what anybody says. It just it sounds like something you would see on a Netflix documentary. But he's now the GM of the Miami Dolphins. So the connection there Malik was in Miami. Jeff Halfley was in was Malik Willis was in Green Bay. Jeff Halfley was there. Sullivan was there. Like the connection. Like I get it. I just, is that an upgrade though, Tua for Malik Willis? Is that really enough?

Jonas Knox (52:07)

I think it's a big question mark. I mean but it's the perfect, it's the perfect market for a Malik Willis to go somewhere. And if he does great. It works out great. If it doesn't work out at all, it's like, why'd you bring Malik Willis here? You just keep moving forward.

LeVar Arrington (52:20)

And I also wonder what's the structure of the contract? Cause we've seen this before. Teddy Bridgewater, you know, signed a three year deal with Carolina. It turned out it was a one year. They got out of it after.

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Yeah.

LeVar Arrington (52:31)

According to Ian Rapaport it will be a three year, 67 and a half million dollar deal, 45 million guaranteed. Yeah. And I wonder if that's manageable.

Jonas Knox (52:40)

That's a manageable. That's not a blockbuster contract whatsoever.

LeVar Arrington (52:43)

Does he have six starts in his career? I think Malik Willis has got six starts in his career. It's gotta be under 10. Yeah. Yeah.

Jonas Knox (52:51)

There's just a lot of question marks going into this and I know it's been made out for him to be a very, very high profile, six starts, potential, potential acquisition for this off season. But we made the conversation point again. I'll continue to give Pete Prisco a lot of credit. This has not been a very. What. What you will be considering a super high profile free agencies market. So trades were going to have to come and now we're seeing in this, this legal tampering period that the trades are flowing, which means that there was probably illegal tampering going of how quickly these trades are, are firing up. I mean, I'm just saying, you didn't just call me today when, when the illegal tampering period just went into effect. You just called me today and said let's get a trade done. You got to assume that they were planning these things like break it up

LeVar Arrington (53:46)

and you're engaged 48 hours later. Oh God. Just, you know, in that span of time I found the one. Sure you did.

Jonas Knox (53:52)

I don't even understand how you call it legal tampering. Like just say, you can talk like why is it legal tampering? That just seems like.

LeVar Arrington (54:02)

Yeah, it is. So Malik Willis, the, the brand new quarterback for the Miami Dolphins, you know,

Jonas Knox (54:07)

but is that the only move at the quarterback's position that doesn't scream starter? That contract doesn't scream starter.

LeVar Arrington (54:15)

I was kind of hoping for Quinn Ewers just getting out there, slinging it around a little bit and see what we got. You know, just.

Jonas Knox (54:21)

You're not that far out in the water with that. I mean you think that's a significant.

LeVar Arrington (54:25)

You're giving him 45 million guaranteed to not start. That's a lot of money.

Jonas Knox (54:30)

Yeah. But the market, that's well below market value of a of a franchise.

LeVar Arrington (54:34)

Maybe compete, right? Yeah. I'll give you this to compete, but I don't think that's backup money. I mean, it is the Dolphins. We've seen their track record. Maybe they're giving them this contract so they can to, you know, cut him and then swallow more money for the next year. Hey man, I'm just saying anything's on the table there in South Beach.

Jonas Knox (54:50)

I think you could get out of the way of it with that contract.

LeVar Arrington (54:54)

She talking about Willis?

Jonas Knox (54:55)

I know. Just an opinion.

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