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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 1 - Yankees win game 2, the Dodgers dominant win over the Reds, Vikings have a decision to make, Urban Meyer
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Life thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. Another magical night of baseball last night. We are live in Chicago. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may Be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. A lot of baseball first hour, Greg Cosell, top of next hour. We'll go to New York. Later in this show. My buddy Ian o' Connor is going to stop by who's been covering the Yankees for a long, long time. J. Mac. It's just the W card round. See, this is what the NBA should do. Three games. You don't need to go back and forth if you're a top seed or a better seed. We don't need to go to Fenway and Yankee Stadium. We're playing in New York. It's three games. It's three in a row. You earned it. I don't know who I like to. Two young pitchers going in game three tonight. But the bottom line is massive urgency. NBA first round, seven games. I don't have to watch. You have to watch these games. I mean, just unbelievable last night. Now we get a game three tonight with two young arms going. So let's start with this. The best thing the Yankees had going for him last night is that Garrett Crochet wasn't pitching for Boston. Basically he is. I mean, left handers hit 166 on him all year. So he did. He didn't pitch. And it was the Yankees who had the better starting pitcher last night. Red Sox went to their pen early. So the Yankees have Carlos Rodone going. He won 18 games. So before the game started. Oh, good, we get one of our aces and the analytics department. Thanks. Analytics department. They allowed Ben Rice back in the lineup. Jack 2 Nothing Yankee. So now they got the better pitcher. Now the analytics department upstairs said, yeah, we'll allow Ben Rice, the Dartmouth kid with real power. Okay, he's not a great fielder. He gives them power. But what this game was about is on this night, it was the Red Sox that were making the mistakes. Let's go to the fifth inning. Aaron Judge hits a ball to left field. Usually reliable Boston outfielders clank it. Yankees take the 32 lead. So in Game 1, it was the Yankees making the little mistakes. Last night it was the Red Sox that were. Then we go to the top of the seventh. The Red Sox had another opportunity. Two runners on, nobody out and they get a lousy at bat. They pop out a bunt. So prime example. And then they have. They load the bases up and then they fly out. So they just got bad at bats. And Fernando Cruz is able to to get out of the inning. And Cruz was fired up. But again, a high leverage moment. And the Yankees are the ones that deliver now we go to the bottom of the eighth, Jazz Chisholm, who should play every game. Give me a break. Athletics, defense, base running. He got a walk, was often running on the three and two, circles the bases. Bang, bang. Beats the throw. Austin Wells delivers. So again, high leverage moments. The analytics department, you guys love the crush Cora and crush Aaron Boone. The guys upstairs are setting the lineup. Oh, Ben Rice is allowed to play. Bang. Jack, two, nothing. Jazz Chisholm needs to be on the field. Athlete, defense, baserunning. I don't care what analytics says. Get him out there. All right, then we go to the ninth inning. The Yankees closers wrap it up. So again, we just love in baseball to crush the managers. Game one, Garrett Crochet, give me a break. He's a, he's a horse. I mean, you're already in a huge deficit and the analytics department's like, no, Jazz isn't going to play and Ben's not going to play. Well, were those guys pretty valuable last night? It's almost like Ben and Jazz were like super valuable. So, you know, a lot of this stuff. I mean, Jazz is like addicted to baseball. I mean, he's like lives, breathes, eat, sleep, goes home. He's playing baseball, you know, on, on PlayStation. Some guys you need to have in the lineup, like athletes, they can help you defense, they can help you around the bases. They just bring juice. So this was just, to me, this was just a game that all these high leverage moments. The Yankees start the game with a better starting pitcher and they, in these crucial moments got the hit, got the defensive play, moved the base runner over and it was the Red Sox, not the Yankees in Game 2 that made the little errors that get magnified in these massive games. Here's Aaron Boone after.
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Aaron Boone
I thought our defense tonight was, you know, really, really good. Turned a couple big, big time double plays, did some good things on the bases. A homer by Benny to get us rolling and then, you know, the bullpen closing it down after Roto gave us, gave us enough there, even though he struggled a little bit there in the seventh to get us, you know, through six, set us up and able to hang on, but what a game.
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Colin Cowherd
So Jazz Chisholm reportedly will play tonight. Should I mean, again, you're watching the Yankees play, you're watching his defense, his base running, his intensity. He's just juiced. He's got to play Will, Ben, we'll see. But he's a big stick. It's a short porch in right field. He's been on a heater, hitting In September, I'd play him too. Yeah, I know, lefty, righty, lefty, analytics. But there are just players in big moments you want out there. It's a short porch in right field. Have a guy who hits line drives deep in the lineup. Regardless, lefty, righty. And he's hitting well. So I mean to me, I, I'm not anti analytics guy, but I mean Yankee field, if you got a power hitter from the left side of the plate and he's hitting well over the last three or four weeks, just play him. Just play him. Baseball, postseason's always been about stars and big moments delivering. And I don't think there is a favorite tonight. You got young pitchers, who knows? Okay, let's talk Dodgers. You know, for as much money as they spent, it's a terrifying experience to watch the Dodgers in the seventh and eighth innings before they get to their closer. So they had 13 hits and eight runs. It's one of the all time great lineups. Mookie Betts, last night's insane. Mookie Betts gets four hits, three RBIs. Remember early in the year he had a stomach virus. He had a terrible like career, terrible slump. Well, he's on a heater now. And listen, the Dodgers just have too much talent. They just overpower Cincinnati. The Reds are a young team. They're still, they're good, but they've got holes that the Dodgers don't. But we said yesterday the Dodger stars have to deliver at the plate and they also have to get excellent starting pitching. Okay? And last night they scored eight runs without a home run. So it's interesting with the Dodgers, they can grind out at bats too. It's not just home runs they can grind out at bats. They also got Yamamoto. Yoshinobu Yamamoto, their best pitcher came in, he was dealing after kind of a rocky start. But then you went to the bullpen. Yikes. Then you went to the bullpen and it's a Nightmare. They threw 41 pitches in the eighth inning. The Dodger bullpen. In fact, in the sixth, seventh and eighth innings, the Dodgers bullpen threw 84 pitches. Watching a Dodger game, if you're a Dodger fan, is literally like watching a horror movie with a great cast. You just wait to the last 10 minutes and see if your favorite survive. So this is one of the all time great lineups. With a double, the triple A bullpen. Now the glimmer of hope is rogue Roki Sazaki they brought over from Japan. He's a 23 year old, he throws Absolute gas. They've moved him to the bullpen. They're going to need him to be great against the Phillies because that Philly lineup is a lot scarier than the Cincinnati Reds lineup. And so the glimmer of hope for the Dodgers is okay, can the starters go seven and two thirds and then can we go to our closer? Because if you've got to use that, those seventh and eighth inning guys, it is a problem. They're struggling with the Reds. You're not going to Philadelphia and holding those leads. So there's a way to win. You hold your breath. They didn't hit a bunch of home runs last night. They grind out at Batman. They moved the runners over. It's singles, doubles, driving in people. But the primary concern against small market Cincinnati was once again on display. And here's Dave Roberts in the locker room. There's a lot of work to be done. My only ask is that every single guy be ready when called upon. Keep your minds right. We're gonna need every single one of you guys. Stay in it, stay focused, keep playing for each other. Let's go. It, I mean, it's all hands on deck against the Phillies. I think my gut feeling is I would take the Phillies. I think, you know, all lines that are bad can't win Super Bowls. Patrick Mahomes been blown out twice in Super Bowls. A battle line. You can't win it all. This bullpen problematic all year long. I will say this. It keeps every Dodger game interesting. Like every Dodger game is interesting, but. And Yankees, Red Sox tonight, who knows? Two young pitchers. I mean, who. Who delivers? But I do think it's interesting, you know, managing the Yankees. I've known Aaron Boone for a while. Managing the Yankees is. I mean, it's just different. Games in New York are different. It's like, like games at Georgia. Alabama just feels different. You know, there's just certain parts of the country where stuff matters more. These Yankee games in Yankee Stadium, I know it's not maybe as good as the old Yankee Stadium. It's a lot nicer stadium, but who knows? I mean, you don't. Right? Tonight, I. You all hands on deck. I mean, with the Yankees, seriously, if the game was. If the game was 4:4 and you go to the ninth inning with the Red Sox, bring in Garrett Crochet for two batters. I think you'd have to. I mean, wild. Wild card round got three games. You're on the road for all of them. And if you're, if you're the Red Sox and You need two outs? Do you go to the your big left hander? I think, I think it's all hands on deck. J. Mac. That was fun last night. That was really fun last night. It won't be nearly as much fun tonight as The Rams Hammer 49er.
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Jason McIntyre
We'll talk about that soon. But big week for New York, right? Yankees win last night in a thriller. They're probably winning today. And you know, the jets are delivering it home on Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys. You know, I don't know about the Giants.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know if they'll make this year. The Red Sox have played great at, at Yankee Stadium, so I don't know, if I had to flip a coin, I, I probably say Boston in a close game. Okay. But I mean, I, I, I don't, but I, but my takeaway is on the Yankees is the Yankees were at a deficit in game one starting pitcher and lost. The Yankees had the better starting pitcher last night and won. And the difference was the Yankees made little errors in game one. Red Sox took advantage in this one. Little errors by the Red Sox and Alex Cora, excellent manager, and the Yankees won. But remember the guys upstairs in the analytics department, they're set in the lineups. So jazz Chisholm, he's not playing well. You watched last night, you saw his defense, Yankees defense was excellent last night. You saw his base running. So you know, it's, I don't like, I mean, in the NBA, the head coach sets the rotation. In the NFL, nobody's telling Andy Reid who to start, but in baseball you're told. I mean, yesterday before the game started, I saw the Yankee lineup and I'm like, oh, that's a better lineup. It's got jazz in it. That's a better lineup. So I don't know what we'll get tonight. I think it'll be an all timer classic and I can't wait. All right, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS and the iHeartRadio app.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Welcome back. You are now entering the no Bull Zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates. None of the bull. We'll get back to baseball. Cubs, Padres. That will go to a game three. There's a way San Diego has to play and they played yesterday at Wrigley Field. So there's a the story out today is that the Vikings are in a little bit of a dilemma. And the headline today is Is it too early to question what the Vikings did letting Sam Darnold go? All right, so Sam Darnold was great in Minnesota. Much better than I think J.J. mcCarthy could ever be. I really believe that. He had 35 touchdowns, 12 picks, 4,300 yards last year. It was unbelievable on the road. I don't think J.J. mcCarthy is that. Darnold in Minnesota had a 103 passer rating. Darnold in Seattle as a 107 passer rating. He's an elite athlete. He is big. He is strong. I always said he's somewhere between Carson Wentz and Andrew Luck. He's a really, really big time talent, can be a little reckless, but if you give him a good coach and structure, he's a baller. He's a great player. So that's the first thing is I think they wanted to sign Sam Darnold, but they wanted a bargain and Sam's agent and Sam said no, I want to be a starting quarterback without some young guy hovering over me. So the first thing I'm going to defend Minnesota. It is really hard to find a franchise quarterback. Really hard. Go look at the jets since Joe Namath or the Dolphins since Dan Marino. Cleveland, let's not even get into it. I mean, the Saints have only had two really elite franchise quarterbacks in the entire franchise history. Archie Manning and Drew Brees. I mean, strangely, Cincinnati. Weird. Cheap. Cincinnati always gets quarterback, right? Kenny Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Carson Palmer. Andy Dalton made the playoffs four times. And Joe Burrow. Yeah, small market. Frugal to the point of being cheap. The Bengals have always Nailed it. The Chargers, who disappoint fans, always. You kind of feel deep down they enter a cheap. The Chargers get quarterbacked, right? Dan Fouts, Stan Humphries took him to a Super Bowl. Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert. But I mean, Tampa has been around since 19, what, 76. Baker Mayfield's the first quarterback they've ever had to make multiple Pro Bowls. So it is hard to find a quarterback and we bang on tua. But I mean, you know, the Dolphins, let's be honest, he made a Pro bowl, they had the number one offense with him. But he feels small. He feel it's hard. You take to a, you keep him, you extend him. I guess I didn't like the contract. So it's very hard. The second thing is once you draft a quarterback like J.J. mcCarthy in the first round, first round, are you going to cut bait? What are you supposed to do? Not play him? He's played a couple games and one of his quarters was great. The other seven, not so much. But, you know, he's young. I thought he was overvalued. I thought he was more of a second round quarterback, but you know, whatever. But what are you going to do? They wanted Darnold, but they wanted him on a discount. They like Daniel Jones. They wanted him on a discount. Well, Daniel Jones wants to start without JJ McCarthy breathing down his neck and Donald wants to start. So I mean Donald and Daniel Jones are like, well, you got this young guy behind us. The minute we struggle, go to two game losing streak, we're out. So I don't blame Darnold, I don't blame Daniel Jones and I don't blame Kevin o'. Connell. You got to play him. He just looks like he's a little overwhelmed. And Kevin o' Connell as this season now, is it a tipping point? Does it circle the drain? Talks about their quarterback position, played a.
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Kevin O'Connell
Lot of guys at the position and we've, you know, tried to navigate those times by, you know, being at our best for that player and ultimately try to do the things that they're most comfortable with. And that can be different when you think about Kirk Cousins to Sam Darnold to JJ McCarthy to now Carson Wentz, and there's been others that have played at a really high level and helped us win some games along the way as well. So I think it's, I think it's just, you know, it's, it's not leaving any stone unturned.
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Colin Cowherd
Minnesota feels like the Indianapolis Colts. Good roster. Well run smart gm, excellent offensive coach and you for the last several years are looking for the quarterback. Like, I think Minnesota is well run. I think they have an excellent coaching staff. They got star players everywhere. You're limited in this sport without a quarterback. College football, you can win a natty without a great quarterback. Can't in the pros. And Indianapolis, I've been saying this for two years. Everybody's banging on the organization and the gm, Chris Ballard, I keep saying they got dudes, I fall to the draft. They drafted players, they got like seven, eight elite guys. They have a great O line. They just didn't have a quarterback. And so, you know, you, everybody, it's like banging on major league baseball managers. Folks, the lineup is set upstairs. I mean, what if J.J. redick drove to the arena in Los Angeles and the analytics department said, here's who has to start and here are the first three off the bench. I'm not going to give you all the heat when you lose. So I think baseball managers used to set the lineup. They don't anymore. Jazz Chisholm, you're told he's not playing the numbers, say he's not playing well. Then he does and you're like, oh yeah, he's got a lot of juice. He needs to play. Then Ben Rice, no analytics say is a lefty. And it's funny, he played last night two nothing Yankees. So I, I hate to be really hard on organizations that I think are well run. The Vikings and the Colts. It's hard to find quarterbacks. I mean, I can give you like six franchises. I mean, God, before Brady and Baker showed up in Tampa and they have a great gm. They were bailing water for years at quarterback. It is hard. Jay Macklin news.
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Urban Meyer
No, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.
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Jason McIntyre
Start with the biggest story in the NFL and that's the injury to Lamar Jackson. The Baltimore sun is reporting he's going to be out two to three weeks. But John Harbaugh, I don't know if this T.O. is going gamesmanship or he just doesn't want to talk about it, but he is being a little combative with the media regarding Lamar's injury.
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. I really don't have any information on that and I really don't think it matters. You know, it's not really what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about the team getting ready to practice and, and Lamar's working, you know, he's doing a great job. You would say day to day with him. How would I? Just don't say anything that's what I would do. I just don't want to take any penny out of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't we just let it. Leave it alone and we'll just. I mean. Yeah. The injury. Thank you. The injury report will be out at 4.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
He cares deeply about him.
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Jason McIntyre
The least you can do is just come clean. He's out. Just say it. He's not practicing. And there is a. A chasm, a difference between when Lamar plays and when he does it. So we have the stats. When Lamar's in, the two time MVP shocker is awesome. And the Ravens are dominant.
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Colin Cowherd
I've told you, without him. I've told you before. I've said this 10 times in the history of me hosting a radio or TV show. I think the NFL should ban the injury report.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, stop it.
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Colin Cowherd
Come on. I mean, the last thing you need is to tell the other defensive line, yeah, the left guard's got a bad knee. Go ask Mark Slarath. If you knew a defensive tackle had a bad shoulder, you'd go after the shoulder.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, that's.
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Colin Cowherd
I think the NFL should ban injury reports. Who care? I mean, listen, I love gambling on football. You got to. You got to keep the players safe. It's about. All these sports have one rule. Protect the athlete. That is the number one rule. Make sure you don't put them in the crosshairs. If everybody knows, hey, right guards got a bad left ankle. What are you going to do? Dive your helmet into his radiator? Come on.
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Jason McIntyre
We're not attacking injury.
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Colin Cowherd
Come on.
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Jason McIntyre
I think you have to have this stuff. Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
Who does every.
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Jason McIntyre
The fans. The millions of people who watch the games.
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Colin Cowherd
Why does it go to games? Why does a fan have to have a knee report on a left guard?
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Jason McIntyre
Listen, I don't need specifics on the exact injury, but we need to know if these guys are going to play or they're healthy or not.
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Colin Cowherd
You.
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Jason McIntyre
You don't think that stuff's relevant?
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Colin Cowherd
It feels like a hipaa. Colin.
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Jason McIntyre
We talk injury reports here on the show every day, Monday through Friday. The whole football season. That's huge. You just taking that out now? We're just.
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Colin Cowherd
If I miss a day of work, FOX cannot tell people why. And I'm just a radio TV guy. But in the NFL, a pro league worth billions. If a player's hurt, you got to be specific.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I know you were a quarterback in high school, but you're. You're a TV Radio guy.
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Colin Cowherd
I shouldn't. I just, I don't like the injury. If I was a coach, I would be very. John Harbaugh and Belichick, I'd be like, we'll see. Okay.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, it looks like it's Cooper Rush and the Texans are favored by one and a half. Next up, Colin. Another injury plagued game and that's tonight, Thursday Night Football. I know it doesn't have the, the glimmer that it usually would when Shanahan and McVeigh go at it, but no Purdy, no Jennings, no Pearsall, no iuk. So that's wide receivers one, two and three, NQB one and Kittle's out and Bosa's out. I mean this is, this is rough. And you can see where the lines.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, at least they have, at least they have their best quarterback playing. Wow.
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Jason McIntyre
Wow. Mac Jones, he and Christian McCaffrey and Fred Warner basically against the entire Rams team. I'm just curious. This is a divisional matchup.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it'll be close because it'll be a touchdown game.
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Jason McIntyre
Are you taking the eight and a half?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not. I already told you, it's at five and a half. I loved the Rams. This is one of those lines you had to jump on early. That's not always the case. Sometimes you do get better lines closer to the game. This line and all the. You kind of hemming and hawing on the injuries. We were all like, oh, they're kind of beat up. This was the second best bet on the board on Monday or Tuesday. Now it's a stay away game.
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Jason McIntyre
Now listen, the injuries are a story in the London game. They're all over the league. It's a thing. I am going to just ask you this. Do you think that Shanahan is a little ticked that he's got to play a Thursday game against his division rival?
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think coach early in the.
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Jason McIntyre
Season he's just like, guys just sit out. We don't. I mean, are we going to see McCaffrey get shut down after a quarter and a half? Two quarters.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I don't think coaches like Thursday games, but it's the machine known as the NFL. So some streamer comes in and gives him billions of dollars and they say.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, yes, final story. Colin. Oh, gosh, we got to talk about him briefly. The Shedeur pantomime yesterday. I mean we've never seen anything like it. The Internet was. This went crazy. But of course Deion Sanders keeps the flame going. He went on Instagram and backed up his son. Here we go. Good one, son. You did that, huh? With like a bunch of laughing emojis.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he's a dad. He should support him. He doesn't care what we think. A dad should support their son.
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Aaron Boone
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Do you think he cares what the NFL thinks?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I'm in. It's. I mean, that ship feels like it's almost sailed. People have made their mind up on Shador Sanders as a kind of marginal talent who's a little silly and. But, you know, this is such a weird story. Like, it's just. I don't want to pick on Shador Sanders.
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Jason McIntyre
I know people think that, but we're not. Remember, I was here the day week of the draft saying, I think Shador is going top five.
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Colin Cowherd
He's gonna be.
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Jason McIntyre
Come on.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought he was a late first, early second round quarterback. I watched him played 15 times, 10 times at Colorado. Accurate move. Well, tough. He got sacked all the time. He was a tough kid.
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Jason McIntyre
But, you know, just so everybody knows, like, no. People who analyzed the draft thought he was dropping in the fifth round. So this clearly is something that everybody missed, that teams were in lockstep on. Like, we don't want to get in bed with this.
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Colin Cowherd
We just don't listen. I've put some of the blame on Deion, I think going super bowl week on radio, going to radio row and saying, hey, we don't want certain teams to draft him, I thought was a huge, huge mistake. I it. By the way, sometimes dads, moms love their kids so much, you know, they squeeze too hard. And so I thought that was a huge, huge mistake. And. And the NFL said, oh, okay. And then we. We find out the Ravens and the Eagles were interested. And basically the memo, the message was sent out, no, we don't want to be backups to Lamar and Jalen. Hurts. I thought that was a mistake. I think when you're in your 20s and a really good corporation calls and they don't pay it quite what you want, and you don't get the position quite what you want. Take it. I'm not saying you do that when you have kids in your 30s or your 40s and 50s, but in your 20s, opportunities from great companies don't happen. We've seen all these great college athletes go to horrible teams and have their careers wrecked. If the Ravens and the Eagles call, go. Yeah. I'm not saying if you're an established guy later, but go. There's just not that many well run NFL teams.
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Jason McIntyre
If Google comes to your college campus is like yeah, we're interested in you. It's going to be. You're not going to rise to the top instantly. Yes, Google, I'm coming on board. Let me get my foot in the door.
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Colin Cowherd
Somebody told me this when I moved to the Northeast for 11 years. They said when you go to a private school in the Northeast, that they have legendary boarding schools. It's not for the academics, it's for the connections. You go. You know, people always say that about Stanford. Cal is easier to get in, but they'll flunk you out. Stanford's impossible to get in, but once you get in, they don't want to flunk you out. It's all the relationships you make. It's the same thing. Go to the Ravens, go to the Eagles. Somebody will spot you at practice, eventually get a job somewhere else and go, that Shador kid was a hard worker at practice. I mean, how often does that happen in the NFL where a coach hires a coach or a player follows a coach because they really formed a bond and they're not like stars. You're just like, oh, no, no. I coached him over here. Let's bring him on and give him a bigger role. So it's. I mean, if you go look at Sam Darnold's career, he goes to San Francisco and Shanahan's like, I love the guy. And then Sean McV Fay is talking to Kevin O', Connell, and Kevin O' Connell's like, calls Kyle Shanahan. They're all buddies. And Kevin o' Connell's like, okay, let's go buy Sam Darnold. Well, because he was with the Niners not playing. He was a backup. And they're all buddies and they're all talking. And that's how Sam Darnold's career started. Sitting on the bench in San Francisco watching Shanahan and Shanahan calling people in the league and saying, I love the kid. He practiced hard. He's a great, great teammate. That's life. That's how it works when you're in your 20s. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd line News said this yesterday. Cubs, Padres go into a third game. I think I like Chicago here. San Diego has a way to play. I mean, they went to the bullpen, they pulled their starter in the fourth inning. He hadn't given up a run. They just want to get to their amazing bullpen. And so in this game at Wrigley, San Diego scores first, and their two best players, Tatis and Manny Machado, you know, they provide the offense yesterday. So Manny Machado comes up, fifth inning, bang, there it goes. Suddenly it's three nothing. They scored in the first inning. You get two runs there. Ted Teesa walked, Machado jacks it out. Three nothing. Yep. With that bullpen. Good night. I mean, they surrendered that bullpen for San Diego. Surrendered one hit in five innings, and again they, they pulled their starter in the fourth. He hadn't given up a run. They want to take a quick lead and they want to get to the bullpen. And the bullpen most notably is Mason Miller, who throws absolute gas. 102, 103. He actually threw a 104.5 pitch, an all time postseason baseball record. So, I mean, again, this is how they have to play their two best players. Machado and Tatis have to create offense, and then they want to go to the bullpen early. So San Diego had the fourth most wins in baseball, scoring three runs or fewer. So immediately when they take a 1 nothing lead, you're like, I mean, seriously, that may win it for you. You just got to get to the bullpen. And here's Machado on the W. Little.
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Manny Machado
Postings of the bop man. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing to be playing here and in front of these crow know what's on what, you know, what's at stake. So, you know, our boys went out there and, you know, competed as well, as well as we can. Sometimes you got to hit it soft and not hit it as hard, you know, to get stuff going. But yeah, I mean, swing is there. It's just got to continue doing it and continue grinding and having good at bats.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, most teams now, Milwaukee can beat you with singles, they can beat you with starting pitching. Milwaukee can beat you with a bullpen. They've got power. Milwaukee's rare. They can beat you in a million ways. The Dodgers, by the way, can beat you with home runs. They can grind out at bats, they can beat you with starting pitching. Everything's about avoiding the bullpen until you get to, you know, the very last closer. So the reality is, most teams in baseball have a way to win, even though there's not a salary cap. Some markets, there's limitations. San Diego, Machado's got a hit. Tatis has to be somewhat productive on offense. Let's get to the bullpen by the fifth or sixth inning or sooner. That's what they did yesterday, and they even up the series. Urban Myers around the corner. Greg Cosell. Huge college weekend last weekend. I've got a lot to talk about. You know, it's so funny, Oregon. All these former Pac 12 coaches are complaining now about the Big Ten travel. And my take is you're the ones that were begging to get into the conference and now they're all like, wow, we traveled too much. Well, I mean, nobody was watching you when we were playing the other conference and you want to be in the Big Ten. It gets cold and we complain about the weather again. I mean, it's. You're making a lot more money in the Big Ten. See the Big Ten yesterday did some. I think they're doing a two billion dollar deal. Like, yeah, I don't want to hear it. It's not hurting. Oregon. Oregon keeps winning. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific introducing the new Dell PC powered by Intel Core Ultra processor. It's not just an AI computer, it's a computer built for AI. That means it's built to help you do your busy work right. You can fast forward through editing images, designer presentations, debugging code, generating code, running lots of apps without lag, and creating live translations and captions and summarizing meeting notes, extending battery life, finding that file you were looking for, managing your schedule, meeting your deadlines, responding to long emails, leaving all the time in the world for more you time and for the things you actually want to do. Get A new Dell PC@dell.com AI PC how those ahead Stay ahead I'm going.
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Colin Cowherd
Cubs, Padres, Yankees, Red Sox. We'll have more on that coming up. We just had one of the great college football weekends of all time and Urban Meyer is going to join me. So urban, you went 4 and 1 against James Franklin and I have defended him forever. I defended Ryan Day when he was losing to Georgia and Harbaugh, I'm like, okay, who's he losing to? And I have defended James Franklin, but when you have an NFL quarterback, the better offensive roster, you're favored. You're at home. You gotta win that game. And I thought Lanning and Dante Moore, like I think for the first time ever, Urban, I thought James Franklin deserves criticism. Is it fair?
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Urban Meyer
Well, certainly it's fair. Whenever you're at a blue blood place and Penn State is. But I brought this up on Big Noon. Colin, I might have said this to you last week that I've been in Columbus. When you lose a game and walking off that stadium and life ends as you know it, I mean the world goes dark in Ann Arbor, you lose a game. And I mean the nasty etc. Etc. That you see there, Penn State, the pageantry, the whiteout is second to none. However, I've been at Penn State when We won some close games and I walk off the field and you know, it's hey, coach scene a couple years and the nicest people. And I'm thinking, I wonder, I wonder if deep down that I'm not saying it's good enough, but it's just, it's not life or death. So I, I don't, I think he's doing a great job. I think, you know, you talk Ryan Day, he's got a Wolverine problem and, and, and Penn State's got a couple problems. Oregon, everybody's got their little flaws that they just got to work out. So is criticism right? To answer your question, yes. Is it time to make a change or even talk about that? Absolutely not.
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Colin Cowherd
So you coach in the sec. And I, and I've told people before is I knew the SEC was different when I worked in Tampa. I was a sportscaster and I went to cover to do a Florida Gator story. Spurrier was the coach and Bobby Bowden was at Florida State. Spurrier. And it was Wednesday and I showed up to Gainesville and there were people parked in the parking lot on Wednesday. And I'm like, I grew up a Husky fan. Like, we love the game, but we didn't show up till Friday night or Saturday morning. And so I, I felt Calyn DeBoer beating Georgia in Athens. And I'm counting Nick Saban. I don't know of a bigger regular season win at Alabama. I went back last night and googled it. In the last six years, you've been there. You watch that. What do you make of how hard it is at these traditional powers to get support?
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Urban Meyer
Oh, it's beyond hard. And it's not something you just get overnight. It's something that got to be sustained. And certainly, you know, you talk about that win. I don't want to say that was a job saver, but it was a job saver. I mean, that was incredible. That was to go into between the hedges there. You know, I've never been there. I've never been to Athens, Georgia, but everything, you know, first of all, you beat a great team. But also, and I made a comment on Big Noon. That is a big boy win with. There must be some, some tough ass guys in that Alabama locker room because they came back from. I mean, they were dead and buried after that first loss. People are counting them out now. They're not being counted at all.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, and I thought the coaching was great. I thought, and I, Kirby Smart's great. I thought Kalyn out coached him. And I think it and that mattered. It wasn't a fluky play. It wasn't officials. It was like that was a game plan.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. So I watched Ohio. I thought Ohio State would win. I thought it would be closer. And I got to tell you, it's interesting. I think Ohio State is playing with so much confidence off winning a national championship. It's like when I watch that Texas game, I'm like, they just were really confident. They didn't panic. They slowed down the offense. I watched them at Husky Stadium. That place has engulfed great coaches. I don't. There is something about winning a natty. But when I watch them now, they feel different than they did that moment. They lost as a favorite to Michigan the last four or five games they've played. Coach. It feels different for Ohio State and.
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Urban Meyer
It does with the whole new set of coordinators, a new quarterback and a bunch of new players. And Ryan Day, you know, someone showed me that he passed Newt Rockne. You start whenever you say the words Newt Rockdate the. The name Newt Rockne and your name next to it. That's pretty cool. So I. We've won a few national championships the year after. Sometimes can be really hard, at times miserable. I don't feel it at all. And I talked to a lot of guys still within the program, and I think what him and his staff are done is nothing less and maybe the best coaching job yet. To have two wins, to beat Texas, to go on the road across the country and go into that environment against that. That quarterback to me is a student, Damond Williams Jr. I mean, he's a monster to hold them. They're playing a whole different level of defense than anybody else in the country right now. You play defense like that, Colin, you don't lose. If you. If you think about this walk into offensive staff room and say if we score two to three touchdowns, we win that game. That's what they're doing right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you know, it's. Miami looks the part. They're big, physical. I always thought Miami was about 70% a college football job and 30% a pro football job because they don't. They don't. They're not like college. It's not about the band. They don't have this massive following. It's a pro market. And so it's interesting there. There isn't quite the pressure that you get in the Big Ten or the sec, but it's also harder sometimes to revenue and keep assistance. Do you think Miami is officially back or it's just nil? It's this Year. What do you make of their kind of resurgence here?
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Urban Meyer
What I like the best is their coaching staff, their head coach and consistency. He's been fairly consistent. I went back as I'm doing part of Big Noon. I'm going to cover this game. The Florida State, Miami, and not that long ago, Colin, the winner of this game, won eight national championships. So it's great to see. There's a little bit of a think about that. The winner of this game back in the Bobby Bowden and Jimmy Johnson, you know, that era, Larry Coker era, they won eight national titles, winner of this game. I'm not saying it's there yet, but I like consistency. I've always had respect for crystal ball. I know that's his home. If he can't do it, then I'm not sure in our lifetime Miami will ever be back. So I'm not saying they're back yet, but this is as close as it's been in 15 years.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they definitely passed the eye test. I've always said college football is better. When Texas, Miami and USC are winning, it just feels bigger. It just, it just feels bigger. By the way, Dante Moore, all these Pac 12 coaches now, I just saw a story this morning. They're all complaining about the travel in the Big Ten and it's like, oh, stop it. It's not hurting Oregon. I think Dante Moore, if I, if I was an NFL gm, Dante Moore would be my first pick. I'm serious. I thought he blew me away in that game. What did you make of it?
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Urban Meyer
I love. We covered him. I stood next to him. He's not really the biggest guy, but I've watched him play. His performance at the end of that game and overtime was phenomenal. He is the most humble, lead by example type guy. The coach loves him. Dan Lanny loves him. I would just, I've always pumped the brakes on that because I think that's the one position that you need time. You need to be time tested. He has not been time tested yet. You know, it's going to, you know, I, I had Dwayne Haskins rest his soul, but when people started saying the word he should leave after one year, I would always pump the brakes and say, not that position. And he left and, and I still think Dwayne would have been maybe the number one pick overall if he came back. I just think that position, there's none like it at all. And once again, I'm not well versed enough in the other sports. I am in football. There's no position like Quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
The. The amount of stress that's put on you every snap, knowing what everybody has to do, not having a bad day, not having a bad snap. So I, I think at some point he will be. I would pump the brakes and just his body work has to grow. I love the kid, though.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Stoic calm and all that pressure.
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Urban Meyer
Really emotional. You seem to get emotional after that one.
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Colin Cowherd
Did I what?
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Urban Meyer
See him get emotional after that big win. That was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I thought it's just a neat. I mean, I covered the Oregon program. That was one of the biggest games in the history of the program. I really believe that. That was an unbelievable. For them to travel 3,000 miles and win that game is something else that's. I mean, we watched Bama go into Athens, Oregon go east. Those were huge wins for those programs. Urban Meyer, great seeing you as always.
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Urban Meyer
Thanks, Colin. Same to you.
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Colin Cowherd
Urban and I worked together last weekend. We were on that college football show. Reportedly in that segment. Ratings. I'm staying. The biz popped. We'll check for yourself. Big pop. Greg Kosoma.
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