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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Arch Manning's possible injury, Longhorns facing pressure, JJ McCarthy college and pro career, Joel Klatt
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Colin Cowherd
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Simply sign up for a 30 day free trial. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.comamazonprime for details. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to FOX Sports Radio. Welcome back. It is Wednesday. Joel Klatt, less than five minutes. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Tom Brady stopping by the show tomorrow. You know, it was, it was really funny listening. So in Chicago, I said this all summer when I would listen to radio. It was Cubs, Tom Ricketts Cubs, a well run organization in the city and it was Bears talk. And obviously Caleb played a pretty good first half and not a very good second half and they lost at home to Minnesota. By the way, Minnesota was favored. Minnesota's got a proven coach. Minnesota has a better defense. Minnesota has a better organization. Minnesota in my opinion, has a better front office. Minnesota was favored. It was my sixth favorite bet of the week was Minnesota and my blazing five went three and two. The game I went down to the last second with the staff was Minnesota. I like Minnesota and I didn't know what JJ McCarthy would look back look like. But I just think organizationally Minnesota has been good for a long time. They're like Kansas City pre post Mahomes. Kansas City has been well run forever by the Hunt family and Minnesota has been pretty well run forever. It's just the packers have probably been better run and so they, and they've got, you know, Lombardi so they get more credit and they're a bigger iconic brand in America. But you know, it's, it's, it's interesting. There was a caller apparently I think it was a radio show in Chicago that called and he said on the air, I didn't hear it but I read about it. It was funny. He said, you know what we need is new media because you guys keep hyping up quarterbacks and you guys kept in the media keep disappointing me. Well, let me give you a heads up on that. NFL general managers who make seven figures hit on first round quarterbacks at about a 50% clip and they're paid to do it. Why it's hard. So much of quarterback success is tied to variables and the coach and the circumstances. It is not a small note that Josh Allen was drafted by a Buffalo team that had made the playoffs the year before without him and Mahomes went 10th to Andy Reid and Lamar Jackson was the 32nd pick falling to a team that had the last pick in the first round. And oh, by the way, J.J. mcCarthy was the fifth quarterback taken to the stable Vikings. Bo Nix was the sixth quarterback taken by Sean Payton. Aaron Rodgers drops to the stable packers who had Brett Favre. Dan Marino drops to the winningest coach ever, Don Shula. This is not a coincidence that so many number one picks have failed because they go to lousy GMs and lousy owners and cheap organizations. So people are freaking out about Caleb Williams. I don't know if it's going to work, but last year, look, he was on a third coach. You think it's advantage for Mahomes to go to Andy Reid and the Hunt family. And Baker Mayfield goes, Hugh Jackson to the Browns. Now Baker eventually, because he's a really talented guy that works very hard, found his footing. He even got to the playoffs. I won a playoff game in Cleveland. But it's, it's not, you know, parenting's not fair. And this isn't fair where you land matters. So I have said before the season started, I said Caleb will be the best version of Caleb. I don't know what that looks like, but this is fair, not perfect. It's still the same owners, the GM that I'm hot and cold on, they can never develop an offensive line consistently. But I think Ben Johnson will make Caleb the best Caleb can be as a pro quarterback. And that's all you can ask for. With that, Joel Clatt now joining us live. You know, I will say the criticism, Joel, of Caleb at usc from the NFL people I talked to was, you know, his accuracy is a little bit all over the map because his feet are all over the map. As somebody that played the position in college, your interpretation of some of his, I mean, some of his stuff was like layups and he missed it badly. What did you see?
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's a footwork problem. And one of the things at USC was rarely was the ball out on time. And when you get to the NFL level, everything comes down to timing and spacing or is the ball on target and on time. And he can struggle with that because he has this belief in himself that he's going to make the play with, with his athleticism, which does show up, by the way. Still, he still ran for a touchdown and can elude the rush and get himself in a position to go and make a play. But Colin, the, the, the more concerning part is that when he is in the pocket and he does have time, the, the constant missing high or being just a little bit late, that has to improve. Now, I do think it's unfair to, to grade him with a final evaluation in his very first opportunity to play in a Ben Johnson offense. I think you would agree with me on that. I don't know what it's going to look like during the course of the year. I would agree with you. I think it's going to be the best version of whatever he can be. But it's pretty clear to me that he's got to become a much better quarterback when it relates to the timing and accuracy with which he plays in the pocket. Because at that level, your athleticism has to be in second position, has to be even Mahomes, he controls the game first from the pocket, and then he wows us with his athleticism outside. That's what all the great athletic quarterbacks have always been able to do, is control the game from the pocket first.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, as long as we're on that game. You did a bunch of J.J. mcCarthy games, and at the college level, he wasn't asked to carry a team. He had leads, he had the best coach. So my concern was, historically, when you come from a more comfortable position in college, it's harder because that's not the NFL. It is. You practice is hard. He was almost terrified in the first three quarters and then, then he hit a big Justin Jefferson completion in the fourth quarter and it kind of changed his confidence. And I said, you know what I saw? I saw Baker Mayfield. Baker always played better. He was like a streaky shooter in, in basketball, if Baker hit a big play, I was like, okay, Baker's chest came out, Baker's velocity went out. And I said, God, is J.J. mcCarthy a little bit of a Baker comp?
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Joel Klatt
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, your take on just that opinion.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I mean, I like it. I really like it. They, they, they both share the, the uncommon self belief that I think all great players have to have. Maybe if others don't even share it that are around them, the, the other part of it is, is that they have this competitive streak where it's like they just need a scoreboard and a score and it doesn't matter what the competition is.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Joel Klatt
It could be pickleball, it could be whatever. If this happens to be a Monday Night Football game. And it's like they rise to the occasion in those moments. And that's certainly what JJ was able to do in college. And that's what we saw him do on Monday night. Here's one thing that I would just point to that I think if I'm Kevin o', Connell, I would go back and take a look at this. Michigan generally, and I used to talk to Sharon Moore about this when he was the play caller for Michigan as JJ was maturing and becoming the quarterback that we now see, they would get him a completion early that was almost like a shooter going to the foul line early in the game. Colin, it was just seeing the ball go through the hoop one time getting that one completion where the ball comes off of your hand and you're like, okay, I've got the timing, I can see it, I've got the spacing. And then once that happens because you nailed it. Once he had that completion to Jefferson, I believe it was on the left side. A little play action, pass, he's in rhythm, he hits it. And he was a totally different player after that. If you go back to those Michigan games, almost every single opening series, within the first three snapshots of the entire game, it wasn't a big shot down the field. It was actually an easy completion like a free throw that started to get JJ in rhythm. I think if Minnesota started to utilize that type of strategy rather than just run the football like they did early in that game, they would get him in a rhythm much sooner.
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Colin Cowherd
So listen, when you have to replace a legend. Coaching is so vital in college football. Not that it doesn't matter in pro football, but the pro football starts with a quarterback. And often the GM is really important, like Philly, Howie Roseman. But in college, the coach recruits the players. He's the coach and the gm. And replacing Jim Harbaugh is no easy task. I thought Bryce Underwood, I think he's really good. Like, I think he's really looks different. But I gotta tell you, when I watch Michigan the first couple of weeks, I don't. I don't see it. I feel like they're not quite. Now give Oklahoma credit, Mater. They found their quarterback. I think they've got a lot of junior seniors on defense. Oklahoma, this is a good Oklahoma team. We thought they would win. Michigan doesn't quite feel the same, Joel, to me. You know, I'm better than I do. It doesn't quite feel the same. Perimeter wise, nobody scares you on that offense.
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Joel Klatt
So I think both things can be true. And you touched on this. So I'll give you credit on this is that. And Oklahoma fans, they're the, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
You gotta give the Sooners credit.
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Joel Klatt
And it's like okay, okay. Both can be true. I think that Michigan can be struggling with their identity on one hand and on the other hand, Oklahoma played great. I think both of those things can, can equally be true. Now if you, if you just were to focus on the identity piece from the Michigan perspective, here's what I see. I see a new offensive coordinator in Chip Lindsay that has majored in more of a spread, albeit even finesse style attack in his career as a college football coach. And now he comes in. And yet what Sharon Moore really wants to retain from the Ben Jim Harbaugh days is this physical mindset and philosophy that they're going to run the football and the two have not gelled. They have not gelled. Now can it happen? Well, maybe. Maybe is the question, but we haven't seen it yet. And I thought that the game plan was, was not very good from Michigan. Way too, way too much side to side. And then here's a little like inside football. And I know we don't have film to show this, but I should have given it to you guys. Way too many condensed sets from the offense for Michigan. So when you condense your formation, what does the defense do? It condenses and immediately the safeties are going to be closer to the line of scrimmage. The corners are going to be closer. So the support players and all the players that you cannot account for in the run blocking scheme are closer to the line of scrimmage. So it becomes so much more difficult to just run the football straight ahead when you're out of a condensed set.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Joel Klatt
Now what Michigan did do well is they added extra linemen at time and they would bring on a sixth and seventh extra offensive lineman. Now that's better than just condensing your skill position players down. And the reason is, is because you're adding extra gaps. And then that's when they finally broke off that long run coming out of halftime is that they had extra offensive lineman and now Oklahoma didn't adjust and there was gap free and they bust a long run. So, so they're going to learn from that. Here's what I would encourage Michigan to do, as if I'm a coach, condense the set in order to throw the football. That way you bring the, the defense closer to the line of scrimmage. Now take your shots and try to run right past them. And then to run the football, make the, make the look and the structure of the defense more clear by spreading out. So if Chip Lindsay wants to actually spread out a little bit and then run Power football with his five offensive linemen up front. I think that would help them. It would define the look for the quarterback. It would help those offensive linemen up front, but they certainly have an identity issue. And I just want to say, again, that doesn't mean Oklahoma didn't play great. Oklahoma played great. And I'm a believer in Oklahoma moving forward.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Great quarterback. A coach that's been in the sport a lot, and juniors and seniors all over the defense. Oklahoma's good. It's a good team. Okay. So I always believe what I'm about to say to be true is that people out east are built different than people out West. Out west, the weather's better. We don't get a lot of snow, we don't get a lot of hail. Out East. I remember when I was a kid, Big east basketball was not only better than the pack 12, it was so much more intimidating and physical because there is. And by the way, when Jay Wright was building Villanova, he would go to the dmv, he'd get tough kids. Their dad were cops there. It. It is that. Let's be honest. Out, out, out east, you eat a bagel with cream cheese. Out west, they scoop out the carbs in the bagel. I'm sorry, it's the green plate theory. And so I watch you, by the.
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Joel Klatt
Way, I'm sitting here with, like, a Southern California tan, thinking to myself, yes, I'm soft. Call it. It gets below 55 degrees, and I'm like, I can't handle this anymore. So what you're saying is absolutely true at the detriment of my own personality.
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Colin Cowherd
So one of my knocks on USC has always been Pete Carroll understood this. So practices with Pete Carroll were intense, like uncomfortable. The program has been soft. I. I watched. It doesn't mean they lack skill under Lane or Sark or. So I watched USC this past weekend. I went to the game. They're fast, they're clever. There's misdirection, they're twitchy. It is total Lincoln Riley. Like, they're. It is a. You can't guess the play, all sorts of movement. And I walked out of the stadium, and a USC fan came up. He said, what do you think? I said, yeah, I've seen that before. You can't. You can't go on the road in crappy weather in the Big Ten and win because you're out clevering them.
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Joel Klatt
See, I think I would disagree with you, though, not.
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Colin Cowherd
Not in.
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Joel Klatt
In your sense that. That you can't just finesse teams to death. But, and I'm, I apologize for you not finishing your point, but I think I, I, I think USC is actually more in the right blueprint of what they need to do to win. Let me explain, let me explain this to you, okay, Because I, I think that, I think that you'll like this a lot, Colin. And if you look at the way that Lincoln Riley won at Oklahoma, it was a very specific blueprint, okay? So if you take his head coaching years at Oklahoma and you take that as a chunk and you take all of college football, Oklahoma was number one in the country in average yards per rush. You wouldn't think that, would you? But they were. And that was always the issue at usc, is that they never ran the ball as effectively as what Lincoln did when he was at Oklahoma. That's what allowed Baker to be Baker and Kyler to be Kyler and Jalen Hurts and so on and so forth. And now guess where USC sits after two games. Number one in the country in rush yards per attempt. Now, the brilliance of Riley is that he married that with a passing game that was also elite at Oklahoma. In fact, Baker Mayfield finished third in the country throwing the football his last year en route to a Heisman Championship or Heisman Trophy. Guess where my ABBA is right now? Third in the country. So I would actually argue that this is the blueprint. This is the Riley blueprint for how you win. They ran it better Caleb's first year than they did his second year. And then they leaned too heavily on the pass. If they can run the football well, this Wayman Jordan guy can, can run it. He's the JUCO national player of the year. He comes in. He's been really good at running back. I'm actually bullish on usc. I think it's one of the more underrated teams in the country. They lost close games a year ago, and I think they're going to surprise the people over the next few weeks.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, Sark got a little edgy. So we were saying it this week, J. Mac disagreed with me. But football is a sport where guys wince all the time. Nobody plays clean every college football, high school football. As I was throwing darts all over this field, in high school football, I would wince occasionally because of the level of violence of football. Right. You remember those days. So my point is, Arch Manning, during the game for Texas, winced. And one of the reporters asked Sark, he's like, he looked uncomfortable. And if I was Sark, instead of getting defensive, I would have said, it's football. Like my players Are uncomfortable all the time. But I did feel like the press conference with Sark, it got a little edgy and didn't need to. And I'm asking you, do you feel the pressure at Texas this year? I do. Watching Sark, I feel that Sark feel the donors. There's a lot of, you know, you look at, oh, here's the Sark sound. I'm gonna play it for you. This. This to me, didn't need to happen. Here it is.
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LaVar Arrington
Arch Manning seems to be having some throwing pains by the.
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Colin Cowherd
According to who? Arch. Arch said that to you?
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LaVar Arrington
No.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, according to who?
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Joel Klatt
It just looked like he was.
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Colin Cowherd
He doesn't have any.
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J. Mack
Is that.
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LaVar Arrington
Is there an explanation to why he was. It looked like that. I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
I've never. I've never filmed any of you guys when you're using the bathroom, so I don't know what faces you make when you're doing that. Odd. Whatever. But I guess my point is Texas is a pressure cooker.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, like. And I had a coach tell me this one time, he said, like, the hardest place to play is with an impulsive owner in the NFL. The second hardest place is Texas. Like Mack Brown had to massage those every day. What do you make of Sark? The pressure and Arch?
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Joel Klatt
I think that what you saw there was. Was Sark being protective. I think that what you see is a culmination of an off season of pressure and expectation being heaped on a guy that hadn't really been a full time starter yet. And his coach is trying to defend him. I think he got defensive and he's trying to defend his. His player and. And this. This kid who is still a kid and is still young in his career and trying to develop. Your point about wincing, I agree with. Now, I think what makes it more worrisome is that he's wincing while not throwing the football very accurately. And there's speculation of why is his arm angle down and what's going on? Is he. Is he hurt? There's. So there's wild speculation, and I think that Sark sees that. And to your point about pressure cooker, it's certainly a pressurized place to coach and more specifically play. I would make the argument that the two hardest positions to play in college football are quarterback at Texas and quarterback at Ohio State. And Arch is in that. And then you throw his last name and the expectations.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
And I think you see the defensiveness of a coach trying to defend a quarterback that is not reaching the expectations that have Been shoveled on him by the outside, whether he liked it or not. And whether you like the answer or not, I like it if I'm Arch, and I think that's the point. The point wasn't for the reporter. It wasn't for anyone else other than Arch. It was like. It was basically like saying, hey, kid, I got your back no matter what, and we're going to do this together. And so for that purpose, I actually liked it. As a former quarterback, if my coach would have said something like that and, you know, take the head off of a reporter, and I would be like, all right, now I've got a guy in the foxhole with me. And so from Arch's perspective, I'm sure he appreciated it.
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Colin Cowherd
That's a good answer there. Clap.
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Joel Klatt
Oh, I appreciate that.
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Colin Cowherd
You did a pretty good.
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Joel Klatt
Bring in the heat. I'm bringing the heat. I'm, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
How.
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Joel Klatt
How are you doing?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, good. I'm looking at your top 10. I don't have any problems with it.
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Joel Klatt
I mean, you shouldn't, you shouldn't. You know, the team that I think is really good. Who, Oregon.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, they're always good.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I know, but, like, there's. They're different this year. So I'm preparing for the Northwestern game this week. Oregon at Northwestern. I'm watching all their films and, you know what stood out to me? I'm like, that's. That's it. That's what it's supposed to look like. I know that they're always good and they're always fast and they're a good team. This is a team that's constructed. That could be a great team. I think Dante Moore is a step up from Bo Nix and Dylan Gabriel, both draft picks, both really good players. I think that their defense is a step up in the way that it's constructed. They've got massive players on the interior of their defensive line and really ferocious players on the edge. Good hybrid players in the back two levels. When I turn on Oregon, I see the best team in the country. And I'm just. I'm just saying right now that that looks like a team that could, they could win it all this year.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it is remarkable, and maybe I say this pridefully because I worked in the state of Oregon. It is unbelievable that a state that has maybe three elite high school football players a year. I mean, that's it. It's up, tucked up in the corner that, you know, they don't have a hundred thousand seat stadium. They have a very, very wealthy donor who's all into their track team, their basketball. It's not just football, but it is remarkable in this country generally. The great programs, Georgia or, you know, a Texas or a USC or Ohio State, you come from these rich recruiting grounds. I always think that about Oregon. It is unbelievable. If I'd have said, you know, 30 years ago, you're not going to believe this, Oregon maybe the third best program in the country when I feel the same way. Are you going to Austin at all this year? Do you have an Austin game?
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Joel Klatt
I don't know if we'll go to Austin, but I think that we'll have them on the road. Remember, with the noon time slot, it's tough to get them to kick at 9. I. E. They don't do it, so.
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Colin Cowherd
No, they don't need to. They, you know, I mean, Oregon football is something else.
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Joel Klatt
I agree with you, though. I agree with you. And by the way, they've overcome that, that lack of natural recruiting base by creating a brand and an attractiveness that everyone around the country wants to be a part of. And I think Dan Lanning is a big part of that. And obviously the way that they've branded themselves over the last couple of decades, I, I just, I believe that of the teams that haven't won a national championship and you wouldn't consider to be historical blue bloods, they're clearly the next team. They're clearly the next team in line to potentially win something.
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Colin Cowherd
If I, if you told me the last 10 years, and I'm counting everything, marketing wins, bowl games, coaching, decision making, talent. If you said best programs in the country, and again, a lot of it's just Saban, you'd go Alabama, Ohio State. And current momentum matters to Alabama, Ohio State, they're in an argument for third.
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Joel Klatt
Because Clemson, Georgia maybe, you know, Clemson kind of, maybe Michigan with their national championship and then Oregon is right in there.
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Colin Cowherd
But Clemson doesn't have the nil or the current trajectory. And so, I mean, I would put Oregon ahead of Clemson simply because of Phil Knight. The trajectory, the recruiting prowess. Oregon recruits better than Clemson on those, like, rival ratings every year. But I mean, it's amazing when you look at the top five programs, Oregon has to be in that. They're in that. Absolutely.
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Joel Klatt
I think, I think that, I think that they're really good. They are better than what they have been. They were the number one team in the country and undefeated, had beaten Ohio State, beaten Penn State last year, and they ran into Jeremiah Smith and the Death Star Supernova in the Rose bowl right I mean, like that's a bad break for them. This is a better version. I'm just telling you they're really good.
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Colin Cowherd
Joel Clack, Good to see anybody.
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Joel Klatt
You as well. Have a great day. Dude.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, Micah Parsons is talking and the packers are talking about Micah Parsons. That's around the corner.
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Colin Cowherd
Tom Brady stopping by tomorrow in our first hour. Mark Sanchez, who does such a good job, he's going to be showing up last hour today in our third. Third hour. Here's J. Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.
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J. Mack
This is the Herdline news. All right, Colin, big revenge game. Ben Johnson against Detroit. Very familiar foes. Ben Johnson obviously left Detroit to go to coach in Chicago. And the Bears travel to the Lions. Colin, I have two bets in the account. This is one of them. Love this game. Dan Campbell talking about how it's a must win since both teams lost their opener.
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Colin Cowherd
Ben's my friend. He's always going to be my friend, you know, but. But that nothing about that's going to change. You know, we're going in, getting ready to play Chicago. We're going to win this game. You know, we have to. We got to find a way to. To clean things up and do what we got to do. And. And they're going to try to do the same thing. So you like Detroit a lot in this game, despite the coordinator snafu?
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J. Mack
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
There's some stuff.
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J. Mack
We'll get into it later in the week. I don't want to give away all my picks. I am, I am just curious like you start looking at. I saw a stat here. The Minnesota Vikings had the most pressures in the NFL in week one. They had 30. So Flores in the second half was like, we're dialing up the blitz. Caleb ain't reading anything. You don't think Detroit's well aware that Chicago on a short week is not going to have a lot of time to adjust. And did you see the Chicago secondary got cooked by McCarthy and they were already down some guys. Injuries ravaging that group. Detroit better wide receiver, unit a lot scarier with Goff, I think the Lions might open a can on him this weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
All right.
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J. Mack
No agreement.
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Colin Cowherd
I think those division games are always pretty. I don't think Detroit can open up a can right now and anybody. I think, I think they've got issues internally. So they're still rebuilding the O line, you know, at home. Humiliated in week one. You know, the one rule I have is when teams with competent quarterback play get humiliated and competent coaching, they almost always, the following week play great. Chicago did not get humiliated. They lost. Detroit in Green Bay was humiliated. So Detroit's this Detroit's going to win this game. I believe I just five and a half's a lot for division game fair.
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J. Mack
Does that apply to Miami and New England as well or is TUA not competent in your book?
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know if the coaching is shots fired.
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J. Mack
Boy, there's a bulletin board material out here. Coaches, let's move on to the Houston Texans. Colin, big game on Monday. Love this one as well. I'm on it now. Yesterday CJ Stroud called out teammates for lollygagging and if you thought that was maybe too harsh, his head coach d' Amico Ryan's echoed that sentiment yesterday.
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LaVar Arrington
It's never an entire group. That's the one thing about it. So there are individuals that have their have their moments throughout the week. And the lollygagging, it's a term everybody want to use. Now we got to get out with some urgency. So the urgency people he's from everybody has to pick up from the offensive side of the ball, right. The urgency picks up and we'll be able to operate cleaner.
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Colin Cowherd
I actually I think this is an interesting play. You could argue the Bucks could have easily lost. They won barely. But I but I think the Texans similarly, if not by a great play by a Ram interior linebacker. Houston was going on to win the game and take the lead. And I think that Rams defense it got it was the best defense in the league arguably in the last five weeks of last year. They don't get penalized. They're young, they're athletic, they have a pass rush. They have not missed on defensive draft picks in several years with the Rams, I think the Texans, I think, I think the Rams defense is going to make a lot of teams look like Houston look in week one. I think they're going to I mean they, they held Jalen Hurts. The last time Jalen Hurts struggled was against the Rams at home. He had 60 yards passing. I think Houston teams that play the Rams bet them the next week because they're better than they looked especially early in the season in week one you're not a well oiled tuned machine. I like the Texans this week.
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J. Mack
Total agreement. Colin Just a quick stat I saw from my buddy. So the Bucks last week against the Falcons gave up 191 yards after the catch, most by a mile in the league. Houston is going to take big advantage of that. Nico Collins, the young kid Higgins. They have some guys who could scoot on the outside. I'm on the the Texans here Monday night and final story. Colin is Drake Bay and the Patriots, it was not pretty. They just scored one field goal after halftime in the loss to the Raiders. Mike Vrabel went on the radio this week and spoke about what he's looking for from Drake May in week two.
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Colin Cowherd
He wants to be at times perfect and I need to get past that. We all have to get past that. You need to be precise and not perfect. I just want the better performance, more consistent and continue to grow as a leader. That's the second time he said it in preseason. It's the second time Vrabel has said, made intimated that that's kind of an issue with Drake May, that he's playing cautiously and that that tends to be an above the shoulders issue. So you know, Drake May is kind of trying to be a pleaser and like do it perfectly. And it's like that's not the league. Like Tom Brady has thrown pick sixes in Super Bowls. It's not about perfect. You're going to struggle. I mean Bo Nix won a game and was bad. Like that's, that's part of the NFL. Can you win when you're imperfect? Because almost everybody is.
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J. Mack
Yeah, I get that. But I would counter with. Hey Mike, quick question. It was a one score game the entire time against the Raiders. Why did drake may throw 46 passes?
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Colin Cowherd
What?
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J. Mack
That's insane. 46 pass attempts for Drake May? I don't get it. Like establish the run game. You're a trenches guy. Like it just. There's no reason in a one score game, Drake may should be jacking it 46 times. That is a recipe for disaster for any young quarterback. Agree?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I think it's. I, I just, I don't. The one team that lost this week and didn't look good was the Patriots. And I've said timeout. They are starting so many new people. They spent 300 million in free agency. So you have a new coach, a new staff. You spent the most in free agency. Many of your rookies are playing. This thing's going to take three to four weeks to sort itself out. Like I am just pumped the brakes okay, on selling all your stock. I mean the Raiders had a new coach and a quarterback, but they had the same offensive line. They didn't spend a ton in free agency. A lot of the key Raiders, Max Crosby, Brock Bowers, Jacoby Myers, they all came back New England. You got to give them, just give them September to find their footing. That's the one team that lost in week one and did not look good. That I'm like pump the brakes. They're, they're going to be a much better team.
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J. Mack
But then if that's the case, which everybody agrees, you're right. Don't you just kiss it. Keep it simple.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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J. Mack
Jump offs. Nothing exotic like run the ball. Like it's maybe, remember a reverse or something. I don't know, something.
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Colin Cowherd
What was the team last year in the NFL that replaced everything like New England did this year? Oh, Commanders.
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J. Mack
Washington. Yeah. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And they got house. They lost by 6, 17 in week one because nobody plays starters in the preseason. So last year, the Commanders, new owner, new coach, new coordinators, new quarterback, they were bad. And then all of a sudden, week two, three, four, you're like, okay, it's, it's, they're letting it bake. I'm not saying they're that good, but I'm saying when I watch that game, I'm like, they don't even know that. New England just, they got too many moving parts. Wait, they. You got to give them a month to figure it out. Jmac with the news.
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J. Mack
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
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Colin Cowherd
The Herd lie news. Micah Parsons has a kd. Yeah. Kevin Durant feel to him and I'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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J. Mack
Tomorrow, it's a special baseball night in America on Fox. Juan Soto and the Mets look to stay in the wild card race against Bryce Harper and the division leading Phillies or Bobby Witt Jr. And the Royals take on the Guardians. Check local listings for the game in your area. Tomorrow at 7 Eastern on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
We've said this, there are certain players in the NBA like Steph Curry, Magic Bird, Akeem, you know, you know, mj, you can build around. And there are other players that are more icing on the cake, Kawhi Leonard or Kevin Durant, where foundationally they may not have the personality. But if they, if they enter a well formed cake, you know, like the Raptors or the warriors, they're just what the franchise needs. To me, that's Micah in Green Bay. His sacks will now close out close games in a very offensive division. I felt a lot of what Micah did in Dallas was either in a blowout win over the Giants or at the time the inept Washington Commanders or they were in games that were decided in Philadelphia, already led big. Is that he just. In Dallas, it was just more icing but not enough cake. Green Bay, the cake's good. And I've always felt this about kd. He was good in Brooklyn, but they didn't know what they were doing. But where he really worked was Oklahoma City and the Warriors. Phoenix, you want him to lead, he'll get the points, but it doesn't matter. Phoenix doesn't have their act together in the NBA. So I think Micah is one of those guys. He's going to make everybody better. Rashawn Gary is going to be better. Lucas Van Ness is going to be better. And Micah talked about making teammates better and opening up lanes.
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LaVar Arrington
I told him, you know, the other day when they were talking to me about the snap counts, like, man, we could run gassers, we could be in practice and you give me these plays, we could run to the ball. But I was like, at the end of the day, like, you got to let me push through some things, y'. All, let me like, you know, get tired and get wore out out there. So that way I can become better and get better from It. And, you know, that's when I was like, okay, your reps can go up. Like, you gotta really, like, sometimes you gotta fight for your own right to play.
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Colin Cowherd
And it's almost like being a great reliever in baseball when a really good team that's got good starting pitching goes and gets a great closer at the deadline. If you trail seven to two, what's the point of the closer or a good dh, right? Like, when men are on base, he's even more valuable than a solo Jack. Like a great DH on a good team or a great reliever on a solid pitching staff. That's what Micah provides. And it's not that Micah wasn't statistically productive in Dallas, but what did the sacks mean when they were getting housed by Green Bay at home in the playoff game, what do the sacks mean? Or when they were dominating bad Washington and bad New York, what do they mean? But Kawhi Leonard's baskets in Toronto for that one year meant more than all his baskets for the Clippers. Right? Because Toronto had a really good organization, gm, coach, roster. They didn't have a get a bucket, get a stop guy. So it felt like in the playoffs, every Kawhi basket in the fourth quarter just felt huge. A lot of them are just forgettable with the Clippers because they're probably about the fourth best team in the West. So I think, Micah, with Green Bay, you're going to. The plays will be more memorable. They'll be in shootouts with the Vikings or close games, you know, with a rival Minnesota or Chicago. And he's going to close it out. And I think there's a time and a place for great players. And I mean, like, listen, Charles Haley won rings in San Francisco, then 1, I think 3 in Dallas. He was great everywhere, and those were two excellent organizations. His sacks always mattered, but it often doesn't work that way. You're a great player in a bad franchise, and somebody like Howie Roseman comes in, like A.J. brown, you know, is on Tennessee, they're not going to win a Super Bowl. They don't have the offense. But we have. We already have the offense. You can be the icing. The way it works in the NFL now, defensive players mostly can only be icing. I mean, Aaron Donald, as good as he was, it was kind of Stafford and McVeigh that took them to the Super Bowl. Donald was great. The rules now dictate that it's hard to be the centerpiece of an organization as a defensive player, but on a good team, again, playing with a Lead late and that's what Green Bay is going to do. I remember once talking to Bill Polian, the Hall of Fame GM of the Colts and he said the minute we got Peyton Manning in house then we had to go draft an edge rusher because we knew we were going to be leading games in the fourth quarter. Four out of five Sundays we knew we would be playing with a lead with Peyton Manning. Our job was to get somebody that would close out the win. That was the second most important person. It wasn't wide receivers, it wasn't running backs, it was Peyton and a game closing edge rusher. Well, when you look at Green bay Now, Matt LaFleur, a Jordan Love, really good running game, strong receiver, tight end, talent, excellent. Green Bay is going to lead 90% of their games this year. That offense is going to be, it is going to be super productive and it's still young. So Green Bay is going to have about a three year stretch with all, I mean they haven't missed on a receiver, a tight end. I mean Green Bay doesn't miss on offensive draft picks much. So they're going to be leading most of their games, Dallas this year. Truth is they're going to be trailing most of their games. So teams aren't going to be throwing late, they're going to be trying to drain the clock. So Micah just wasn't going to be as valuable in Dallas as he is in Green Bay. It's the closer on a great baseball team that goes into the eighth leading. That's the difference. So Mike in Green Bay is a much better fit than he was in Dallas. I mean again, how many meaningless sacks does Miles Garrett have? Miles Garrett, I mean for, I mean he's going to make money anywhere. He's going to be a Hall of Famer everywhere. How much bigger would Myles Garrett be, you know, playing for the Rams, the Chiefs? He would be pass rusher. Team trails late. I mean if you put him on, that's what, that's why the Rams went and got Von Miller. They had Aaron Donald. They had and they looked at it and they thought, okay, Vaughn's had injuries, Vaughn's a little older, but we're leading games late. We need a closer next to Aaron because Aaron's getting double and trouble team. That's why the Bills went and got Vaughn Miller and overpaid for him. Their take was in our division. We're leading games in the fourth quarter against New England, against Miami and the Jets. The only way we don't win these games in division if we can't get our quarterback back on the field. So Vaughn Miller will get enough sacks in Buffalo. They overpaid him, but their take was, we're going to be leading the Patriots twice a year in the fourth, the Dolphins twice a year in the fourth. We got to get their offense off the field. Let's guarantee we get it back to our quarter. That's how you beat great quarterbacks, make them watch the game instead of take snaps. And so Green Bay is like the only way you're going to beat us in division. You're not going to slow our offense down much, but if you can run the ball on us or you do, you get on a heater. We got to get your quarterback off the field and our quarterback back on the field. So there you go, Colin.
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J. Mack
Did you see how many yards Washington rushed for against the New York Giants? Washington obviously facing the packers on Thursday?
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Colin Cowherd
How many?
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J. Mack
220 yards on the ground? 220, I think. You got to keep that offense of the packers off the field. I expect this kid. Crosby Merritt, the young rookie.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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J. Mack
Fantasy darling. He was good. Jaden had 68 yards. Austin Eckler, a reverse to Debo. If Washington could add, like a reliable run game, that's an interesting. That was not an element I expected for them to pop.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's the way you're going to beat Green Bay. Yeah, and that's why Green Bay gets a bit of a break, that Detroit's rebuilding their own line. So Detroit was built to beat them this year. Detroit's not really built to beat him because their own line and run game won't be as dominant. All right, Mark Sanchez around the corner. And he. He's bringing footage. Mark's bringing tape.
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