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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Here we go. It's hour two. One of my favorite guys coming up. Frank Isola. You know what? Staff's done a great job last couple of weeks. World cup. We've had great guests. You know, big, broad, sweeping opinions, sometimes very direct. Pulisic's getting beat up, which again, it's every four years. We beat up on NFL quarterbacks every Monday. And Caleb Williams, when he got drafted, I don't know, he painted his fingernail. I don't like. He's moody. That's every Monday. Josh Allen's unbelievable. He loses a playoff game. When's this guy going to win? This Josh Allen guy's overrated. Pulisic gets banged on every four years. I'm not losing a lot of sleep. Like, he didn't have a good World cup pre injury. He didn't have a good World cup, okay? I mean, in Argentina, Spain, England, Brazil. I don't know about the Norwegian press. I don't get the Norwegian B. I don't. I have no idea. But you know, the international press. I don't know what talk radio is like in Dusseldorf, but I mean, they're pretty savage. They go after you, the tabloid press. You have a bad game in the World cup, you get crushed. Pulisic stunk. I mean, he wasn't named captain for this team. He wasn't named captain for the last team. You know, you're hearing stuff about, you know, when our collective Carli Lloyd and Stu Holden, Landon Donovan, Alexi Lawless, and they all got kind of a similar thread. They're talking to federation people, they're talking to people inside the building and, you know, they're critical. Now I think it's okay. Pulisic had a. He got nicked up. He's a bit fragile. I mean, of the last nine World cup games, he's been in for four of the nine. He either didn't play at all or he left early. Like, Messi never misses a game. It's like some, sometimes some guys just never get hurt. I mean, it's amazing. You'll see some smaller players never get hurt. And then you have bigger players that are always banged. I don't think Erling Holland's going to miss many games, like so. I think the criticism, it's interesting about this though. I, I like the discussion. Every four years we get this discussion. Well, what is wrong? England invented the sport, has the best league, hasn't won a World cup in 60 years. This stuff's hard. It is really hard. American exceptionalism. We're going to dominate. Yeah, maybe in tech, maybe in AI. Japan. I said this last hour. Japan came out in 1992. 1992, with a hundred year plan to win the World Cup. Can't just plop yourself in and incremental advantages. Our team's more skilled than ever. We just happen to have our one World cup team ever where we weren't very good in goal. If Tim Howard was a goalie in that game, we lose 2 to 1. We get outplayed, we get outclassed. We're not Belgium, we probably lose two to one. Casey Keller probably lose two one. We've, we've had great. Go back to Tony May all day. We've had great goalies. We've always been kind of athletic. Our skill's better. American loves it more. The ratings, the merch, the attendant, just incremental stuff. We just had a really embarrassing last like 45 minutes because we're not very good in the back end and we're not very good at goal, which is really, really rare for the usa. We have great goalkeeper guys that have played in the EPL for 15 years. I mean, Casey Keller, I think played like European soccer for like 15. Yeah. Was it 13, 14, 15 years. I mean, you're playing best leagues. That's what we historically have. This time we have an MLS goalie and he got kind of slight, got a little bit overwhelmed, not quite aggressive enough and gave up some ugly goals. I, I want to go to Frank Isola, who, who by the way is a great NBA guy, but I love him on this show for a lot of reasons. One of them is the World cup. So I, I have, I. And I know you have. I think you have kind of defended Pulisic a little bit. My take is before the injury he hadn't played particularly well. I tend to think, I don't care if you're Tom Cruise, LeBron James, Messi or Pulisic, who's been our great soccer star. You have layers of people that keep the wannabes away and the hanger honors. And it does create some resentment. Right. So the minute you age out or you're vulnerable. The knives come out, the leaks come out. I think if Pulisic had seven goals in the World cup, everybody be like, oh, he's the greatest guy in the world, but he's vulnerable. He does have a little bit of a layer to get to him. And I think this is just sort of a, it's a reality of being our best soccer player or anybody's best soccer player. If you struggle in the World cup, the knives come out, the leaks come out. Is that fair?
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Frank Isola
Yeah, it is. And you referenced how they're treated in Europe. But I go over once a year to London to watch some games and it reminds me of old school New York. You go to the newsstand, you have all the tabloids there and you're right, the way that it's covered. I also think too, what I like about the way it's covered in Europe is they go after the big players. It's, you know, when a team loses, they're not blaming like the sixth best player on the team. They usually blame the coach or the manager or the star player. Now I do think in the case of Christian Pulisic, in the game the other day against Belgium, the whole team played poorly. I mean, and you were 100% right in the back. How, how poor were we? Their last two goals, they took the ball off our keeper's foot and they took the ball off our center back's foot. Who by the way, plays in Crystal palace, who plays in the, you know, in England in the epl. So where we were at the start of the World Cup, 41 over Paraguay, who turned out to be a pretty tough team, they beat Germany. I watched them play in the 100 degree heat in Philadelphia on Saturday and they were really tough against France. Now they weren't going to score in about a week if the game kept going on, but they were trying to beat them in penalty kick. So the way that we started and the way that we finished was disappointing. And let's be fair, it turned out to be a disaster. I mean, we've been in the round of 16. Remember when we were in Brazil and we played Belgium? We were more competitive against that Belgium team four years ago we were more competitive against the Netherlands. We didn't get humiliated in those games. We lost to Ghana in the round of 16. We got humbled and humiliated the other night against Belgium.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the I, I, I tend to be, maybe I'm naively optimistic. I did think there was growth in terms of fan interest and growth in our technical. I compared it To a spelling bee. If you see those kids, Frank, that win the spelling bee at 16 years old, they didn't just join at 14 and start memorizing words. They got smart parents. They've been doing it since they were four. Right. And then all of a sudden, at 16, you're like, oh, my God, these kids are brilliant. I think sometimes if you look at the people left, it's Erling Holland's a superstar, then it's Spain, then it's England, then it's Argentina. Those are the kids that at 4 years old, we're like the smartest kid in the class. Like, there's an infrastructure disadvantage. We're just not there yet. Just a lot of this is infrastructure. Right?
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Frank Isola
I think you're right. I went to the game on Sunday. Watch Erlon Holland play. Who, like I told you last week, he's LeBron James in his prime. He's a man among boys. But getting back to Pulisic for a minute as well, you kept talking about, you know, the injuries, which is really the biggest issue with him. Because if you look at the way that he played against Paraguay, look how dynamic we were in that game. Yeah, we scored four goals on a team that beat Germany and then only lost one. Nothing to France. And I thought to your. To what you were saying, I thought we were making steps. The two goals by Tillman on the free kicks, both against Bosnia Herzegovina and against Belgium, those were excellent goals. That's like high level. But defensively in the back, we. We just looked a little slow. We're not really, really good with the ball at our feet. I thought we had made great strides, but it was almost as if Belgium said, especially after everything that happened, the White House getting involved. Belgium going into the game was better. They had more motivation. If you watch the players when they came off the field, when they were being subbed out. I'm talking about the Belgium players. It wasn't as if they were celebrating. Their attitude was like, yeah, of course we should be beating these guys. We beat them 5 to 2 back on March 28th in Atlanta. So why wouldn't we beat them now in Seattle? What really has changed?
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Colin Cowherd
Who would you blame then?
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Frank Isola
I. I mean, some of it has to go on the manager, obviously. Some of it has to go on the star players. Pulisic, you know, Baligun had a couple of chances where he couldn't convert. I didn't think Weston McKinney played well. Tyler Adams is a big part of the team. He didn't play well. The back line didn't play well. And how about Dest on the first goal first, you know, he didn't. Nobody attacked the ball. We weren't the team that was being aggressive. So I think everyone has to get a little blame. You can't play that well against Paraguay. And then a couple of weeks later with everyone watching, I mean, so most people that's ever watched a, you know, the US play the men's team, play a soccer game and look at what the outcome was. And that, that to me is on everyone. That's why I think the criticism of Pulisic is a little over the top. Because I do remember 4 years ago in Qatar, they beat Iran 1 nothing to get to the knockout. That was Christian Pulisic who scored. And what happened on that goal? He got injured and had to come out of the game. That, to me is the biggest issue with him. He takes a lot of knocks and he just. It's unfortunate. To your point. Messi never seems to get hurt. He does get hurt occasionally. Got hurt in the Copa America, I mean the Copa America final. But Pulisic always seems to be hurt from that standpoint. And that's the disappointing part.
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Colin Cowherd
The, it's interesting NFL, the NFL culture is largely kill the ego. I saw a Fernando Mendoza quote. He said Kurt Signetti reminds him of Clint Kubiak. Kill the ego. Even the media. Like if you look at an NFL draft, all we do is tear down Andrew Luck and Kayla Williams, who are obviously going to be great pros. NBA draft kid comes in and all we talk about is, oh, look at his ceiling, look how great he's going to be. We tear down our NFL media is hard. Our NBA media placates a little bit more. And it's funny. Yep, Christian McCaffrey got traded, didn't even get a first round pick. Jared Goff got to a Super Bowl. He gets shipped off to Detroit. Tyreek Hills in his prime, unguardable. They give him to Miami. They don't even get players back. Jalen Brown gets traded and there's like this outrage, like, how can you only get Paul George in picks? And my take is analytics thrives in two American sports, baseball and basketball. It really owns the front office. In baseball. When analytics was introduced, Frank, it marginalized the manager. That's why managers and baseball salaries are muted. A college football coach makes four times what a St. Louis Cardinal manager does. Here's what analytics has done to the NBA. You and I are conditioned because we're older to think if you score 27 points a game in the NBA you are a Hall of Famer, you're a star and you're a winning player. But the analytics are saying, Trae Young, Monta Ellis, Jalen Brown, the old box score is Jurassic, and that there are these ball dominant players. 27 A game is not what it was us growing up. And so when the trade is made, we're conditioned to think this is outrageous. Paul George may play 50 games. He's a great analytics player. They can get out of his contract sooner, far less money. I look at the trade and I'm like, Brad Stevens didn't get dumb. Do you look at the trade and just think it's the biggest whiff by Brad Stevens ever? Or the fact that the world has changed in 27 a game doesn't make you a dominant great must have player.
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Frank Isola
And I think what also hurt the Celtics was they're involved with Giannis Antetokounmpo. So if you're going to trade Jaylen Brown an MVP candidate, a Finals MVP in the past, and you're thinking of Giannis, you're like, okay, I get it. They're going to get the bigger player to pick pair alongside Jason Tatum. You don't get him and then you get Paul George. What has Paul George really done the last five years of his career? It's, it's almost like a punch to the stomach. You're thinking that's all you can get. But I think you're 100% right about the analytics. The only thing that I would say in defense of Jaylen Brown, I don't think Jalen Brown thinks that everyone, nobody likes him. I like him because he does a couple of things for me. He plays a lot. He plays both ends of the court.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Frank Isola
And he wins. He came into the league. He's been in. He's been in the league 10 years. He's played in 142 playoff games. That's a lot over 10 years. So all these guys and we'll see tonight. You know, Darren Peterson will play against AJ DeBonsa and you got Cam Boozer. All terrific players. Do you think their teams would sign up for 10 years, 142 playoff games, two trips to the Finals, a championship and a Finals MVP? Absolutely. So I get what the analytics are. I remember what Bobby Mark said on Sirius XM NBA Radio. There were a lot of, you know, a lot of the analytic people don't like Jaylen Brown. But the eye test tells you he does perform. Now, the last two years, not good enough. They shoot way too many threes. And this year they blew a 31 series lead to the Philadelphia 76ers, who are not the Michael Jordan 96 Bulls. Let's be fair here, right? And I think that they got to the point the day after he does his thing on Twitch where he's talking about, it's my favorite season ever. I think they probably felt, you know what, this is going to start to turn in a bad direction. Let's trade him now before we have to pay him 70 million, which I have no problem with. I just didn't like what they got in return.
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Colin Cowherd
Frank Isola, who do you like? I mean, if I said right, I mean France is the obvious pick. I will say Morocco's interesting. They are, they are really jump off the television, turn the sound down, man. They just move. They're quick. Who do you like?
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Frank Isola
You know, I'm going to be at the final. I just find it hard to believe that France could lose. I guess they could lose to Spain. I saw Morocco play. How about this? A tune up match in New Jersey at Sports Illustrated Stadium where the Red Bulls play. And those two could end up meeting in the final. And when you watch Morocco play in person, they're all fast, they're all good with the ball at their feet. I watched them play and the first thing I said was, now I can tell how they got to the semifinals four years ago. They are an un. Believe that'll be a, that'll be a lot of fun today. I'm looking forward to it.
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Colin Cowherd
Frank Isola, you're great, my man. I always appreciate you taking time for us.
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Frank Isola
Thanks, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Anytime, Frank. Gula, look, I mean he's on, he's on a couch. The guy's probably having a nice lunch and I'm interrupting his world and he comes on our show. The. You know, it is interesting though, like when the Panthers trade Christian McCaffrey, they didn't get a first round pick, they didn't get a player. That's the NFL. Tyreek Hill, unguardable. Go and play in Miami. Didn't even get, didn't even get a player in return. And we're like, yeah, we totally get it. You're letting go of a great player. You're getting draft pick. Draft picks are a 50%. I mean, outside of the first round, draft picks work about 34% of the time. And you just. In the NFL like Jared Goff, Super Bowl. Yeah, we're upgrading. Get out of here. What way Jalen hurts Two super bowl appearances. I'm not sure he's the guy we are really hard on our football players, but in basketball, we are just kind of conditioned. If you score 27 a game, you're great. And the analytic departments now run NBA front offices. And, I mean, it's just. It's incredible how I watch Jaylen Brown and I'm like, man, he plays good defense. He plays. He plays hard. He's smart. He got all this stuff. It's like the analytic departments are like. And that's why I've always said, I really like analytics. I prefer manhelytics, which is, can you make a stop? Can you get a bucket in a big playoff game? I think Jaylen Brown's pretty good at that. But it's different. Like, we are just people just. They don't want anonymous sources. They don't want. They don't want people banging on him. You didn't get enough. You got this. I think the Celtics looked at it and thought, we get, we can get out of the Paul George contract faster. He's much better analytically. He plays off ball, essentially. We upgraded at center with Mitchell Robinson. We get Tatum now, full health, off season ready to go. And Paul George is an additive player. And, you know, I, I just don't buy. I think Philadelphia is fascinating, but I don't buy Boston's going to be bad. I think Boston's going to win 53 games and win at one playoff series, probably two. I also think of the trade deadline. They're going to make another move. I really do. All right, we got a lot. Oh, I. I got to get to this Steeler thing. I'll get to it after the break. Very interesting story. It's, you know, we kind of roll our eyes sometimes at Steeler fans. Boy, this survey tells you it's not Steeler fans. Steeler fans get it. It's.
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Mike Defebo
It's the.
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Colin Cowherd
It's the people that own the franchise. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, this is Jason McEntire. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod, pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at the sportsbook and all the best guests. Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight fire with Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Me Mike Evans tremendous struggles to stay healthy. All I read is what an acquisition. Oh my God. Lombardi Trophy. Might as well start sending it to the Bay Area. Paul George circle in the drain. That's not what I watched. Paul George is an unbelievable analytics fit in Boston. Go to that series. He's a great three point shooter. He is still unhealthy and unbelievable defender. He's going to be a Hall of fame basketball player 37 minutes again. It is interesting how we treat how the cultures are so different. Like now Paul George is a bum. If you go look at what Jaylen Brown's probably going to score per game because they have so many mouths to feed in Philadelphia he probably 23 and a half points a game for the Sixers. Paul George is going to get great looks off ball for Boston. What if he averages 19? 1 is longer and equally efficient on defense. So the idea Boston is just whoa, they got taken. And you can get out of Paul George's contract much sooner. There's no extension talk like it's. And also Paul George is hearing what a bummy is. So all he is hearing now is oh, what are they got taken to the woodshed. What do you bet Paul George comes in unbelievable shape to prove everybody wrong. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news.
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Jason McIntyre
This is the herd line news. Well, let's stick with the NBA and roll into Miami where Giannis will be making his debut this season. Everybody's very excited for it. Colin Giannis finally spoke at length in a wide ranging interview with Bucs announcer Jim Plaschy about his fears of leaving Milwaukee for Miami. Take a listen.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm scared of change. Scared of change. I'm scared that the grass is not always greener. I'm scared of like I have things, people love me here, people respect me here, people allow me to be myself here in the city. And I'm scared that I might never find that ever again. That's just so interesting to me. It really is interesting. A lot of fear based stuff, you know, international players. Remember how hurt Luca was that he was traded. Like it's interesting. Like the international player comes over to the states and they want to play for one team. Like Wimy never wants to play for another team. He wants to be a San Antonio spur. You know, American players like you get traded sometimes you get an upgrade. You go to a better coach, you go to a better situation. Like, I think he's. I think he's an. A very. A much better situation in Miami. But it is interesting how he views it. He like, I can be myself. It's Milwaukee. I can kind of hide. That's just kind of fascinating. Comments by. I mean, by all accounts, a really nice guy, a really decent human being. Still a great player. Don't listen to anybody. Still a great player.
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Jason McIntyre
Injuries. I mean, he's played fewer games than Luca in the last four years. But. Colin, let's be real. This fear thing, I just don't totally get it. I know you and I both had a similar situation where we basically went, moved across the country, uprooted our family. I wasn't scared. I was excited. A new opportunity. I. I don't totally grasp why he would be afraid to leave Milwaukee. You haven't want you got out of the first round of the playoffs. I think once in the last four years. What's the fear? What is there to be afraid of? This is just a new chapter in your life. There's no rules to this. You can do whatever the hell you want.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you get a. You get a legendary GM, you get. I mean, bam. Adebayou is a had 83 points in a game. He's an elite defender. So you don't have to be the only rim protector. You're going to be allowed some freedom to roam defensively. You get a great coach. It's an excellent organization. I think there are a couple of shooters light, but that's what GMs do. They go find those shooters.
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Jason McIntyre
But, you know, in the modern era, essentially, you get to decide your future or the company does it for you or the team. In this case, most of the time, the player at the end, you know, they start tailing off the team's like, thanks for your time, we'll see you later. And you have to go and find another shop. I mean, look at LeBron right now, what he's going through.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, what's funny about the Jalen Brown.
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Jason McIntyre
Somebody's gonna get screwed.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, you get traded for a lot of reasons in pro sports. In the NBA, you got traded because you were old, you were aging, or your game declined. Yeah, we're getting to a point now where players are moved because of analytics. And it's not. It's just, you know, I mean, there's. There's a lot of quotes out there. I saw one quote in the athletic where one GM did not have Jalen Brown as a top 50 player. Well, I don't think that's a made up quote. People say, you know, based on some
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Jason McIntyre
stats, some stats, not all of them, he wasn't. But is it analytics or is it the second apron and fear of a contract that's going to have the owner making a, writing a check for 150 million?
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Colin Cowherd
I think it's a, I think it's a common. And I also think Tatum and Brown were no longer quite as close, which is not that unusual. Like not every player gets long in the locker room or best buddies. I don't care about that.
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Jason McIntyre
Colin, you and I have run businesses, okay? You know, at the end of the day, you look at the bottom line and say, is this generating, well, positive revenue or is this, is this a money pit?
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Colin Cowherd
What people, what people do at the top of big corporations? It could be Fox, it could be NBC. What they do is they try to move out of stuff before they see a bigger problem. That's really what companies do. They want to move into stuff so they can get stuff for value. You want to get great draft, but you're trying to get really inexpensive great players before the market catches them. That's the draft and that's some like trade. Sam Presti does those deals or what you're trying to do is get out of deals before they really go south. I think a lot of Boston's move was, listen, Tatum got hurt, you know, what if Brown gets hurt? What if Tatum gets hurt again? Like this tandem has been together nine years. We have one title. We don't want to be Milwaukee or Denver. We're going to move a year early, not a year late. That's what great management does. They put out fires, potential fires, before they start, and they find value before the market recognizes it. I think Boston kind of looked at it and they listen. Nine years together, we got a title. Let's not do a Milwaukee and let us get old and banged up and then we lose. We, our players aren't as valuable. So I think that's how.
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Jason McIntyre
Remember Mark Zuckerberg with the Metaverse? He was pounding the table that the Metaverse was going to be a thing. He believed in it. He put millions of dollars, probably billions. And people tried to tell him, now this isn't going to work. He's like, no, I believe in it. And then ultimately he had to scrap it and he scrapped it after losing a ton of money and value in the stock. Colin, you could argue that Boston said, this is we got our title. I don't See a future here. Let's just, let's cut bait. And you don't hate that, right?
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Mike Defebo
No.
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Colin Cowherd
People get traded all the time, and that's just the reality of what happens. People get traded for a variety of reasons. You age out analytically. It's not as great as everybody thinks.
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Jason McIntyre
Maybe there was a culture issue. Tatum's got two young kids. Brown is still a bon vivant, a man about town. Young guy.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, that's what the Athletics said, the quotes, the anonymous sources there, and people aren't making it up. My, my guess is there was fissures in the relationship. I mean, I, I heard a quote, it wasn't about money. Well, I don't believe that. But if it wasn't about money, then it's. Obviously there's some relationship fissures otherwise. I mean, money has to be part of it. And I'm, I'm reading quotes. Money wasn't part of it at all.
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Jason McIntyre
If they say it's not about money, it's about money. There you go. All right, let's move on to the NFL. Colin. And some interesting commentary here from Andrew Whitworth. Now, he's a former Ram taking a little jab at the 49ers who haven't really been spending first or second round draft picks on offensive linemen in the last, I don't know, five years. Take a listen to this interesting commentary from Whitworth.
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Andrew Whitworth
It does scream that maybe they just don't have a lot of confidence in their ability to select the right one. Because I think this is the problem with offensive line. When you're going to allocate a first round pick or a second round pick to an office alignment. A lot of people love that theory, but you better be damn good at picking it. But when you miss on a high pick like that, a skilled player, that's okay. Can still get you plenty of reps, plenty of ball. You know, they're going to catch footballs. That may not be somebody you sign back, but they're going to be productive for you. You draft an unproductive lineman, you are cook.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's a. Andrew's really smart. One of the only misses that Les Sneed has ever had was a second round offensive lineman from Wisconsin. And it is. They didn't have a first round pick. They bombed on the second. It's like, oh, we didn't get a, we didn't get a highly productive guy in our first two picks. Like, we didn't have a first, we whipped on the second. So. But I will Say, let's be honest, in the history of great left tackles, left or right tackles, top 30 ever, 27 are first rounders. That goes back to a theory known as the George Young planet theory. George Young is a legendary former New York giant general manager. George Young's theory was the planet gives you only about one or two human beings a year that are 6, 7, 3, 30 with good feet. The planet theory, like the planet gives you lots of fast guys, lots of tough guys. The planet doesn't give you six, seven, three, 30 and great quick feet. So there's about two offensive linemen a draft that if you can get them, draft him. And I mean Jonathan Ogden's, you start looking at the great left tackles. Just start Walter Jones, Jonathan Ogden, like they almost all went first round. So he's right on that. You don't want to miss. But if you want to get ready to get a great. Tristan Wurfs has become, you know, a great tackle. Tristan Worfs, you know, they went after him when Tom Brady got there. The Iowa kids been better than they would have guessed. Most, I mean quarterbacks mostly come from the first round. Great wide receivers. A lot of them are first round, like left tackle, offensive tackle, greatness. It is overwhelmingly a first round draft.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, final story is, let's go to some controversy. Last year's playoffs, Buffalo in Denver. And it was a memorable play. Colin, I'm still, my butt is chapped over this. Obviously I had the Bills in this game. I'm looking at this six months later. That is a catch. It was ruled in interception. Of course, pivotal play in the game. Denver would go on to kick the game tying field goal. After that, I'm sorry, the game winning field goal. Game winning, not game tying. And, and Cooks is saying some stuff about it, saying he still has not watched it. He didn't watch it for a week straight. Could not forget about the play. Here's the thing though, I don't think any rules have changed that would have Al that would alter this decision, right? We could next January we could be in a similar situation, Colin. And, and you know, I think half the league is like what is a catch still?
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Colin Cowherd
If, if there was one team that was going to get hosed just based on their history, it would of course be Buffalo. I mean it's just, I mean it's
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Jason McIntyre
a perfect pass by Allen. No, I thought he was down with the ball. I mean you look at that and you line up 15 GMs and it's like 8, 7 one way or the other.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, J. Mac with an ooze. Well, that's the news.
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Jason McIntyre
And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.
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Colin Cowherd
God, it's, it's the remaining. I was just reading this. The remaining teams in the World Cup FIFA world rankings. France, number one still in Argentina, number two. FIFA rankings still in Spain, number three still in England, number four still in Morocco, number six still in Belgium, number eight still in. The only, what you would call outlier is Norway and they have the best striker arguably in the world and Switzerland's 14th. But Switzerland's made the quarters many times. They've, you know, they make the World cup five or six straight years. So we can yell, we can scream var. We don't like the officiating. Look at the FIFA rankings. They're mostly right on. And I, and I've said this is. I've always been nothing against Virginia Commonwealth. Did you like the Dusty May Michigan team with three lottery picks or the Dusty May Florida Atlantic team? Be honest, the Dusty May Michigan team was way more fun to watch. So, you know, I, Erling Holland, who is the world's greatest striker, dominating the English Premier League three of the last four years in scoring the Gronk of his sport is the only reason Norway is there. Otherwise Norway would be out and it would be another elite FIFA ranking team. We were ranked. Was it 18th coming into this thing? 16th or 18th? And that's about, you know, if you, if you, I said this earlier, we're about 16th, 18th. If you gave us Erling Holland, we would be here. I absolutely believe that. Or we, or we would have been toe to toe with Belgium. Erling Haaland would be a difference maker. I mean, never forget, LeBron James got to the NBA Finals and the second best player on that team was Larry Hughes. That's basketball, right? Where it's easier to score than soccer. So, I mean, France is the best looking team I've seen. Messi's the most technically superior player of all time. Erling Holland's the best, you know, striker, scorer. And the team that's clearly underrated is Morocco. And if you watch Morocco play, that's a. Turn the TV down, turn the sound down. They are fast, they run like France. They don't. They don't look like us. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Colin Cowherd
There is a percentage. So I was online yesterday more than I usually am. There is a percentage of people that like, they don't like soccer and they kind of like that we lost. And that's always such a weird position. Like, I'm not a big hockey guy or a big NASCAR guy, but I do think hockey playoffs are fun. Every hockey player I've ever met is a great guy. I like the culture of hockey. You play through injuries, you play hard, it's tough guys. I love watching Olympic hockey, but I'm not a guy that knows, you know, I don't spend a lot of time on hockey. I love football, college football, NBA March Madness, you know, golf majors, Rory McElroy. But I mean, it's like there are a percentage of people out there and since they don't like it or get soccer, they just like almost root for us to lose and be gone. I just don't get that mindset. Like, to me, it's such a gift. It's like it's Mardi Gras with a ball. It's just this global atmosphere that is such a cool thing to be involved with. We don't have to win everything, you know, for me to, you know, I've been part of companies where I wasn't that important. And it's like I still like being part of the collective and a part of the group. But there, you know, there's a part of this country they don't like soccer and they sort of resent that we talk about it and I think, good, go away, hide. But this has been to me, the Best June I've ever done on radio. It's been so much fun to watch these games and come up with topics every day. And the soccer guests have all been thoughtful and smart. I love it. That's why it's like, I'm not. I think we got a right to criticize Christian Pulisic. It's the World Cup. Do better. We crush every other athlete. Why can't we crush a soccer guy every four years? This is interesting. The Steeler fan. They had a Steeler fan survey and they asked Steeler fans, what are your feelings on Mike Tomlin's departure? 75% of Steeler fans said, I was ready for him to go or he should have left years ago. Steeler fans are like, glad it happened. The next question, agree or disagree? Bringing back Aaron Rodgers for a second season was the right move. 42% the largest percentage either disagreed or strongly disagreed. I think you can argue either way on that. I think the fans in Pittsburgh are right. Third question. Steelers haven't won a playoffs game since 2017. That is a long time ago. What has been the biggest thing holding the team back? Quarterback Play. Coaching are 77%. So the fans want change. The fans are seeking changes. The fans in Pittsburgh are clamoring for change. The fans see the issue. It's the ownership that doesn't. The Rooney family is not reading the room. In most instances, I'm going to trust ownership and a GM over guy in the third deck. But the fans in Pittsburgh, I mean, the Steelers lost a great gm. He leaves. What do they do? Walk down the hallway and give it to a guy in the building? You know, I hate that. I don't like it with coordinators. I don't like it with coaches. Got to do a global search. Steelers move off Mike Tomlin. What do they do? Hire a Pittsburgh guy. So the ownership is playing it safe. The fans, according to the survey, don't want to play it safe. They want big swings. Mike Depart. Mike Tomlin should have been out years ago. Aaron Rodgers, love it. What's been the problem? We can't get the quarterback right in the coaching thing. Like, so this is one of the insta. I don't think you have to necessarily do what fans want you to do, but you gotta listen to them. I mean, I've said for years I've taken. There's been criticisms I've had from fans and I'm like, that's actually a good point. It doesn't necessarily mean I want to build my show around what crazy Larry on the Interweb says. But there are. You gotta listen. So Mike defebo does a great job for the athletic cover in the Steelers. He was talking about Pittsburgh's outlet, this outlook this year.
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Mike Defebo
Right now they just need something to get them out of this current cycle that they're in. They're stuck in this purgatory where they're good enough to make the playoffs, but then when they do, they look like the team least qualified to be there. And that has been the story over the last several years for the Steelers. And truth be told, Mike McCarthy is inheriting expectations of winning a playoff game at the very minimum. And at this point, after seeing 10 and seven seasons that end first round of the playoffs, that is the expectation for this new head coach. From the fan base, they want a playoff win. Anything less than that is not going to be successful season.
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Colin Cowherd
It's really interesting when the Rooney said it, they're very much about protecting what they've already done, right? Like, let's make sure we don't go backwards. They're really uncomfortable with that. And you know, the Rams took a big step backwards. The Niners have taken steps backwards. It's just very interesting that the Rooneys are not really listening to the fans and they're really protecting legacy. They're playing it safe. You know, let's just bring a guy inside the room to replace our great gm. Let's, let's get a Pittsburgh guy at coach. Let's not really have a plan right now at quarterback like a viable plan to beat him. A Homes or a Josh Allen, a Lamar Jackson, a Herbert. It's really interesting. So now, now in fairness, the two or three in terms of total net worth, ownership net worth, Pittsburgh's on the bottom end of that. Mike Brown, Cincinnati on the bottom end of that. Like Pittsburgh doesn't have a lot of money, but so be it. So Steeler fans, no more picking on Steeler fans. J. Mac, they appear to, you know, they're the ones pound on the table. They didn't, they wanted Tomlin years ago gone.
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Jason McIntyre
So how do we pick on here? Who's the take our shots at?
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Colin Cowherd
I think it's the family. I think the Rooney family is, is not, is kind of disconnected from what their fans want. And any business owner, you don't have to exactly do what your customers want, but you got to listen to them. The fans are telling you we're just being tubes. We're playing it too safe. Stop playing it safe. You know, it's interesting if you look at the NFL, the riskiest team in the league that moves off quarterbacks. They move off Coach. Is Philadelphia in the same state?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And the franchise in the NFC in the same state is probably the most aggressive. Big market Philadelphia, small market Pittsburgh. Play it safe. Now, Jeffrey Lurie is much richer than the Rooney family, so there's probably some capital advantages there. But it is interesting. In the same state, you have the. I mean, Green Bay is a small market. They don't play it safe. I mean, they were drafting Aaron Rodgers first round. They're drafting Jordan Love. They could have drafted other players they knew that would upset the quarterback. Green Bay takes big swings for a small market team. They do not play it safe. They've always been above average offensively. They draft the quarterback when they've got an aging star quarterback and they know it won't sit well and it won't play well in the room. The Steelers had Big Ben aging and they were like terrified to tick off Big Ben.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, very strange. I don't know. You look at Rodgers, how he ended it is not very good. You look at the schedule early, it's rough. I don't think we're going to be talking Steelers a lot this year, Colin.
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Frank Isola
I just.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't see that team in the cards.
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Colin Cowherd
I forget their schedule. What is it? Is it rough?
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Mike Defebo
No.
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Jason McIntyre
Our staff's gonna pop it on the screen here because they're amazing, but, you know, it's a tough division. Joe Burrow's back. The Bengals are much better. You know that Cleveland's still a dumpster fire, but the Baltimore Ravens have the highest win total in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Don't be surprised. Four new teams make the playoffs every year. Do not be surprised if the Cleveland Browns are one of the four new teams. He's dribbling the ball with everything on the line. He's driving down the pitch.
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Jason McIntyre
He's facing price hikes and cut cuts past him.
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Colin Cowherd
Carrier contracts tries to block him. Oh, he leaves him in the dust.
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Jason McIntyre
He's at the edge of the box.
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Colin Cowherd
He cuts past the non stop group chat, trash talk.
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Jason McIntyre
He clears on goal.
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Colin Cowherd
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