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THE HERD – HOUR 2 – Bill Belichick on coaching Tom Brady, Lawrence Taylor & Rob Gronkowski
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. We're live. It's hour two. I've never had Bill Belichick on a show before, but when I lived and I worked at the other network, I think I watched every game pre snap, post snap, every snap of Bill Belichick's career. I mean, I was looking at his resume this morning. Some of this stuff. 17 division titles, 31 playoff wins, nine Super bowl appearances. This is just insane. But now he's in college, and it's fascinating because. And I want to bring him on. Bill. It's ACC media days. Bill Belichick entering his second season at North Carolina. You know, Bill, it's interesting. I remember Nick Saban's first year at Alabama. I remember it well because I've always loved college football. He lost a home game to Louisiana Monroe, and, man, they dogged him. I think the second year, he played Utah in the Sugar bowl and got the living, you know, what kicked out of him at Alabama. And I always say, guys, take a deep breath. This stuff is hard when you're building a culture. Go back to New England, first year, go to Cleveland, first year, go to Carolina. And Bill, I think of you as a culture builder. How hard is it to build it? Bill, in that first year for Saban, for Bill, for Andy Reid, when you're not winning, how hard is that? Yeah, we're gonna reconnect real quick with Bill. Cause it was real spotty there. And sometimes when I'm on the air, I can't tell if that's what you hear as the audience. So we're gonna get back to Bill, we're gonna reconnect it, and we're gonna. And we're gonna bring him on. Yeah, it's always interesting when it comes to culture, is that I remember at Saban's first year, it was bad. I remember Pete Carroll's first year at usc. I don't know why. I know they were six and six. They went to, like, the Vegas bowl and they. I think they played Utah. Could be wrong. And, I mean, they couldn't run the football and everybody. And when. When Pete Carroll got hired at usc. It was not the number one choice because he didn't have a lot of college connection. And everybody was like, he'd been in New England, the Jets, and everybody's like, why are you hiring? Hiring Pete Carroll at usc. And the first year was bumpy. And then Saban, obviously, you know, he coaches in the NFL. He's lsu. He goes to Alabama. And the first year at Alabama, they're losing home games to Louisiana, Monroe. So that's my. My question's always, it's really easy to sell culture when you're winning. Jim Harbaugh, I mean, took over. I mean, go look at Jim Harbaugh in San Francisco, and then Jim Harbaugh with the Chargers. He had some struggles early at Michigan. God, you can go three years into Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. They couldn't beat Michigan State. They were getting whacked by Ohio State. Now, losing Ohio State, there's no crime in that, but they were getting dominated. But you can't lose to Ohio State and Michigan State. And if I recall, there was a game they lost to Michigan State. It was a punting situation at the end of the game. I remember watching that game live, thinking, this is going to leave a mark. I don't know if Harbaugh can overcome this. So when you go, I mean, we have great coaches. Pete Carroll in his prime. Harbaugh, Nick Saban. First year is ugly. And now you got the Nil, which now you're bringing in guys from different programs, and you cross your fingers that they're culture builders and they're. They've got a good work ethic. But when you. I mean, I've talked to coaches about some of this Nil stuff. You don't know everything. You don't know the odometer.
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Colin Cowherd
You didn't recruit this kid as a sophomore in junior in high school. He plays one year at Louisville. He's got good length and he runs well. And so you're like, okay, we need another. We need another two corner. Sean Payton. First year with Russell Wilson, and that was a mess. They were taking over for Nat. Hackett was 8 and 9, and he didn't like his quarterback. They were arguing about should you wear an armband, should you recall the plays off it. Remember, there was the office thing with Russell Wilson, like, he has his own office, which never bothered me a ton. But I guess if you're a coach, it kind of separates you from everybody else. I mean, and I mean, that first year for Sean, you're like, he's calling out Nat Hackett and Aaron Rodgers called out Sean Payton. You're like, man, this is. This is cats and dogs living together. This is. This is a barnyard musical. I don't know. I don't know if this is going to work. And it just takes time. There was a story recently by Seth Wickersham and he wrote it in regards to Sean Payton. I don't know if John. If you read that in. And it detailed just the intensity, the day to day intensity of being a head coach. And it's just absolutely brutal. And it's so. It's like you have to, as they say, you have to break so many eggs to make an omelette in the NFL. And Belichick, last year, they get a late start, which I heard him say before the transmission went, you know, their defense was like 35th in the country. The offense was a bit of a mess, but again, you're inheriting. Guys, is he back? All right, let's go back to Bill. We got the connection back. So you were talking about culture. It's interesting. Bill. You have had veteran player, you have the best offensive player ever, best defensive player. Lawrence, best special teams player ever. So it's very unique when you go on the recruiting trail. You know all sides of the ball, you've seen it all. But we were talking as a staff this morning and I said, when you have a guy and you may not have many, Gronk and Lawrence Taylor certainly like feel like this to me, that they're so gifted, they're so unique, they're unicorns, Bill, that if you do you occasionally in your career, even if you have a high schooler, a great player, is it harder to coach a great player sometimes because you don't want to get in the way of Lawrence Taylor's natural talents. Like, is the, is the greater player always easier to coach?
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Bill Belichick
No. In all of those cases, Colin, they all wanted to keep getting better. You know, Tom Brady, every day. And every time we met and talked, we would learn from each other. And Tom always wanted to be better. Every single day, every week it was a new challenge, a new defense, a new coverage, a new what did they do? What will they try to do to stop me type of thing. And so it was continual improvement. Same thing with Rob. You know, Rob's game changed from, you know, where he was as a young player to after he had to deal with a couple injuries and he got more, more experience, was able to do things. Lawrence Taylor, same thing. Lawrence's best coverages, coverage days. Even though he was a great. The greatest pass rusher, great, great football player. You know, his game evolved, too, where he became more of a coverage player, more disguise and actually, you know, was able to move around. Well, he was able to move around, but he moved around more to create more opportunities for his teammates. So watching those guys evolve as players from where they were, you know, as. As Lawrence was dominant as a rookie, Rob was dominant pretty early. Tom became great by about his fourth year, and. And. And then never, you know, never really regressed. Just kept getting better. So it was very exciting to coach those guys and the way they performed, and that's why they were so good, is they kept getting better. They didn't just stop and have one good year.
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Bill Belichick
They followed through the whole career. I mean, those plays Lawrence is making are. Wow. About this one here, he's running down the sideline, and as he returned that interception 99 yards in Detroit, he. He saw a shadow. He thought it was somebody chasing him. It was actually his own shadow. That's why it was 20 yards ahead of everybody, running full speed, because he thought there was somebody right on his tail.
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Colin Cowherd
When you recruit high schoolers and nil guys, nil's tough because, you know, you didn't recruit a lot of those guys. At 15, you're getting somebody else's player. Can you spot leadership? Jimmy Johnson once told me, said, colin, I don't know what leadership is, but it was Troy Aikman. I can't tell you what it was, but I know I can't describe it. When you recruit players to North Carolina and you talk to their coaches, can you spot leadership early or does it develop over time?
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, both, I think, you know, leadership has a lot to do with confidence, and if you have confidence, then, you know, that helps your leadership. I think you see leadership in a lot of different areas now. You know, when I was younger, a lot of times teams only had one captain. Now you have six or seven, eight captains. And I think leadership can come in different areas. You can have great leadership on the field. You can have great leadership in the classroom. You can have great leadership in the. In the weight room. You can have great leadership off the field. Matt Slater, as an example, who is, you know, a great person who would help players with family issues or maybe marital issues or faith or things like that. You know, Rob Gronkowski was a great, great competitor on the field. You know, Troy Brown was, you know, another great competitor, you know, you know, on the field that didn't say much. You know, Junior Seau Said a lot. He was very vocal, and he was a great player. And there's different. You know, James Devlin was probably one of our greatest leaders we ever had, you know, in the weight room in terms of not only his performance, but, you know, driving other guys to lift more weight, to work out harder, to train harder. And so a lot of times you see those, you know, those leadership skills come in different areas. And so I've always tried to use them wherever they were. If they were in the weight room, then, you know, we give that person maybe a little more leadership opportunity there. Or if it was, you know, on the field or, you know, in different areas, sometimes it was talking to the team, sometimes it wasn't. It was more about actually doing something that showed leadership. So it's. It's tough to identify, but there is a lot of growth in it. And I'd say one of the most important things for us was to have leadership grow as a. As a rookie. And so Tom Brady showed leadership, leading his rookie class on off the field running plays and teaching them, you know, how to run the offense. He never played as a rookie. He only played three plays his entire year. But he led the team in terms of the rookie class. And so rather than wait until they become a team captain, you learn how to lead, you know, even at the lowest level, and then you build your way up.
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Colin Cowherd
I've always thought watching football, the NFL's the highest grade of coaching. That's not to say there aren't great college coaches, but I always kind of felt like, you know, you don't have grad assistants, it's older coaches, more experience, going up against each other, chess match that I don't feel like college I always get. But yet now you have the experience of both. When you look at college coaching, is it undervalued or is it just Bill, Is it just different? There's obviously recruiting, but are there some things to college football that you think to yourself, listen, man, this is tougher than I thought?
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Bill Belichick
Well, yeah, there's some things in college football that are very unique compared to the NFL. The hash marks, you know, some of the rules and unbalanced line formations, things like that. Very creative. College coaches are extremely creative, especially in the kicking game. You know, you see a lot of things in college football in the kicking game that you don't see nearly as much of in the NFL. So, yeah, it's definitely interesting. And, you know, particularly in the acc, I think this group does a really good job. You know, I like the coaches that are in this conference, I've learned a lot from them. We all have good relationship. I mean, obviously we're all competitive on the field, but you know, as people, you know, and as people to try to work collectively with to do what's best for the conference, this is a great group. And certainly, you know, Manny and Rhett have done an outstanding job kind of representing the ACC coaches and various committees and so forth. And, you know, I think they've done a fantastic job of, you know, helping to navigate some of the, you know, the challenges of bringing, you know, all the football conferences together and speaking for the ACC coaches. They've done a great job.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, Bill, everybody is always complaining about young people. You got kids? I got kids. Oh, they don't work as hard. Young people don't care. Well, you're recruiting them now. You tell me, go back 25 years when you had 22 year old rookies for New England. You're recruiting now 18, 19 year olds. You have kids. Have kids changed or they still basically the same?
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, well, I think you get both. You know, I think when you step up in level of competition, whether it's from high school to college or college to probably you get some kids who embrace that higher level of competition. They were the best and now they're not. And are they going to work hard enough to improve, to be the best and compete with those guys? Or is the challenge too much and, you know, they kind of, you know, wither a little bit and just, you know, don't have the desire, don't have the stamina or the staying power to compete, to get to the level of guys who are already better than them. When they've been the best on the field for a number of years, either in high school or college, it's similar. And so you see a lot of high draft choices in the NFL that just don't. Just don't compete to the level that they need to, to be the type of player that they are. And you see other guys like Brady, who nobody wanted, who became the greatest player of all time, and you see a similar thing in high school. Some guys can reach that level of competition in college and want to be great and know that they're not very good right now, but they'll do what they need to achieve it. And then there's others that, you know, it's just kind of, it's too big of a gap for them and they don't make it.
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Colin Cowherd
I was giving you credit the other day. I said, I remember it was. You started attacking the middle of the field. And I remember Andy Reid when he was in Philadelphia, and I started talking about this on the air, I said, this guy in Philadelphia, Andy Reid on third and three is throwing in a tough city. I'm like, and it works. And I remember the year, and maybe it was the late Aaron and Gronk because you had better personnel, but I really remember going on the air for a two year period and saying, you know, Belichick's not dependent on the sideline. Too many offenses are dependent. And I said, bill's attacking the middle. And maybe this is simplistic or maybe it's just a personnel issue, but it felt like as a consumer, as a sports guy, there was a two year period where you were ahead of the league. Was that an off season initiative? Was it just a personnel thing with Gronk? And.
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John Middelkoff
But you.
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Colin Cowherd
It felt like you were ahead of the league for several years doing that.
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Bill Belichick
Honestly, Colin, I think it's more Brady. You know, Tom was so good at attacking the middle of the field. He was so accurate. He can make those really tight throws in there. And he was very comfortable with the inside routes, not only throwing them, but he was also able to protect the players. He was protecting the receivers from getting blown up by somebody on a crossing route from the other side of the field and things like that. You know, Brady was very, very good at throwing the ball on the inside part of the field. And even guys like Edelman, who played a lot of perimeter receiver, most of his production came when he was running what amounted to slot type of routes, even though there was nobody outside of him, you know what I mean? It was from a tighter split where he could run the same routes from that he would run in a slot just with nobody outside of him. So I think attacking the middle of the field is what Tom did best. He did everything good, but that was what he did best, was make those precise throws in the inside part of the field, you know, away from the leverage of the defender.
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John Middelkoff
And.
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Bill Belichick
And so we tried to do what Tom did best, always. And. And, you know, the credit really probably should go to him and the slot receivers that we had, whether that was, you know, Wes or Troy Brown or, or Amendola, certainly Edelman, you know, guys that we put in there. Even when you go back to Randy Moss, you know, Randy Moss got 23 touchdowns, you know, in his first year with Brady, and half of those came when lined up either in the slot or in a tight split that would have put him where the slot usually lined up. And so Randy was very good at attacking the middle of the field, running deep, crossing patterns from in there with a tremendous amount of success. He showed me how to do that, how he could use his speed from the inside of the field so we didn't always have to put him outside. And so I'd say in those years when, when we had Randy, that Randy was a very good inside receiver too. Not on two yard crossing routes, I'm not saying that. But on deep passes down the field, Randy could really attack all three parts of the field, the middle and then both, you know, both deep third areas at both flag type areas, you know, from there. So, you know, once again, most all my success I credit to the players. I was very fortunate, as you said, Colin, to have Matt Slater on special teams, you know, as well as Vinytarion, Goskowski and guys like that, Brady on offense, Gronkowski, Lawrence Taylor and some of the great defensive players we had, you know, like McCourty and Will Fork and, you know, McGinnis, Brewski, Hightower. You know, you just can't say enough about a guy like Hightower. I mean, he's, he's one of the very best players I've coached. And honestly, other than Lawrence Taylor, you know, Rodney Harrison's the next best defensive player I've coached.
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Colin Cowherd
I think recruiting and drafting is hard because I was, I was a Pac12 football fan as a kid. I grew up out west and I watched Gronk in college. There's no way in hell I thought Gronk was going to be that good in the NFL. And I'm, I'm, I love college football. I saw Gronk, he wore a weird number in college if I remember, like in the 40s or something. And I watched him. When was the moment? Because I know Gronk and I just find him. So I look at his video now, Bill, he looks like a senior playing against eighth graders. He's so damn big. When was the moment that you told your staff, because you don't want to tell Gronk to his face, he'd go crazy. When was the moment you told your staff, you guys, that we got something here, they don't build them like him did? Did you know instantly?
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Bill Belichick
Well, no, because to your point, I watched him as Arizona too, but not for very long. You know, he didn't play much as a freshman and then he caught, you know, 30 some passes as a sophomore and most of those were slants and hitches. He didn't really do much in the passing game. And then of course he missed his junior year with a back injury and came out early. So there's no video on him, really, to speak of. Certainly very little in the passing game. And the moment for me. And we brought him on a visit, and when he came in on his 30, 30 visit, he fell asleep. It was a terrible visit, one of the worst we ever had. Several of our coaches said, this guy's just not a fit for the New England Patriots. Like, he doesn't even care enough to stay awake on the visit. So we got over that, and the turning point was when I talked to Coach Stoops, and Coach Stoops said, you know, this guy is really good in the passing game. I'm like, well, why didn't you use him? He said, well, our quarterback, you know, wasn't a great passer. And so we weren't able to use him very much in the passing game. But he said, trust me, he's got really good skills in the passing game. And I said, okay, well, I'm good with him as a blocker. I said, how tough is he? He goes, the toughest player on our team. He's the toughest player on our team. He said, you will never question his toughness ever. Not in any situation. He's all day tough. And so based on Stoops, his recommendation, you know, his head coach is. And based heavily on that, certainly not on his 30, 30 visit, Rob will tell you that it was terrible. You know, Stoops was really a big advocate for him. And so, you know, we took him in the second round, and then, you know, Aaron was still there in the fourth round, and we're like, all right, well, we'll take him, too. And so, you know, that's. That's how we ended up with him. So his first preseason game, he played tight end, and he blocked on literally every play, every pass play. He never even went out for a pass. We released Hernandez because, you know, we've seen Hernandez, and we kind of needed some protection on preseason game. We're trying to protect the backup quarterbacks. And so he stayed in, and Coach o' Brien and I. Billy o' Brien sat there after that first preseason game. We said, look, we gotta at least run this guy on some routes and see what he can do in the game, because, you know, if he's no good, we. We just need to see it one way or another. And so then the second preseason game, I mean, he called like, six for 90 or something like that.
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Colin Cowherd
Whatever.
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Bill Belichick
He had a big game in a passing game. We're like, all right, we got to get this guy in a passing game now because he's. He has an amazing catch radius. He has great concentration
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John Middelkoff
and.
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Bill Belichick
And he could. He was always open. And that was the great thing about Brady. Rob was always open, even when the defenders were all over him. They were all over one side of them, but they couldn't get to the reach an extent for the ball, and Tom would put it there where the other guy couldn't get it. And that's why Rob was always open and he had tremendous hands and concentration. So he was. He was a great guy to coach. I mean, he comes across a little differently than the way he plays, but he had a great temperament, great guy to coach, but, man, the evaluation on him was tough coming out of Arizona.
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Podcast Host (Happiness Lab)
It was.
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Bill Belichick
It was really tough.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I could do this all day. I've been told you have to go. Literally, Bill, ask you questions for six hours. These stories are unbelievable.
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Bill Belichick
Well, let's do it again, Colin. Let's do it again.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, Gronk, I was Almost right. Gronk, war number 48 at Arizona. 48? Yeah.
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Bill Belichick
What did you say? 49. It was something like that.
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Colin Cowherd
It's like spring training. When the Pitcher wears number 74, you know, it doesn't mean he can't pitch.
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Bill Belichick
Yeah, well, he probably would have worn the same thing, but when he came into the league, the rules were he had to be in a tight end number, and so. So he went to 87. I think Aaron was 85 or 81, something like that. But those guys all had to be in tight end numbers or he probably would have been in 48. I think our long snapper was in 48.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, Bill, thank you. On a Friday. Good luck to you and I'd love to have you on again.
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Bill Belichick
All right, sounds great, Colin, appreciate it. Always good to see you. Thank you.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, thank you. I know, John, you and I sitting there listening to these stories, the Gronk stuff, because I remember seeing, like, highlights of him in Gronk, Arizona.
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Sports Analyst
It was just.
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Colin Cowherd
He looked almost clumsy. He was so big. And even in the NFL, when you watch Gronk's video, he is so much bigger than other pro athletes, like, even linebackers and safeties. He is. So, like Bill said, you could cover one side of him, you couldn't cover the other side of him.
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Sports Analyst
Yeah. My second year with the Eagles, we played the Patriots, and I think Brady threw five touchdowns. Gronk and Hernandez, I think, might have accounted for about four of them. And Walker, another one. They were I mean, they basically had three different dynasties in New England. If you think about it. The early, the early Brady part, the Moss part that never won the super bowl. And then the latter years with Tom McCourty, Hightower, Edelman, which I think was their smartest team. Right. And most complete. Because offensively they weren't as good early in the 2000s. But by that time in from about 14 to 19. Offense, defense, bill in the peak of his powers. Coaching Josh back, calling the offense. They were. I mean, that people forget how well coached they were.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, no, no, I, because I lived in that part of the country. So I, I saw all the snaps, I read all the articles, I listened to all the media. It was unbelievable. They didn't fumble. There was a. There were years where it's like they just didn't do what other teams did. They. It's almost like Indiana under Kurt Signetti.
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Sports Analyst
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
There's never penalties. You're like, how can a team not have penalties for weeks on end? They don't turn the ball over at Indiana. Bella. That was the one thing that always jumped out to me when you, you got the exact same team every Sunday. Now, that doesn't mean Brady. Sometimes they. Bad weather.
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Sports Analyst
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Offensive lines leaking. But they would. You never saw big penalties in key spots. You never saw fumbles. It was all the margin stuff with them. I mean, obviously you face great coaches. You don't always have your best scheme every Sunday. I mean, Belichick would admit sometimes you come in, you get out coached. But God, they didn't, they didn't do the dumb stuff.
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Sports Analyst
I do think their great advantage was. And obviously Tom, you know, he left California, went to Michigan. Greatest cold weather quarterback of all time and greatest cold weather team of all time. They were just. Remember when they beat. This was after Tom was gone. But Mac Jones, I think had three pass attempts and they beat, won that game in Buffalo. It was like 78 mile an hour winds. I don't think anyone. Josh Allen's ball's going right through the wind. Bill's like another run. It worked.
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Ben Mather
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
It's incredible. Bill Belichick, that was fun and good job to the people in the back who reconnected him because sometimes, you know, we've had people on from London, the Carolinas. We're all over the place and we appreciate it. It's the Herd.
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Dr. Laurie Santos
Here at the Happiness Lab, we're serving up some hot takes for the summer. Big ideas that just might reshape how you think about your well being. Like we've been thinking about the loneliness epidemic all wrong.
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Podcast Guest or Narrator
You can be lonely in a marriage. You can be lonely at a party. I don't think loneliness is actually about solitude. Loneliness is about something much bigger.
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Dr. Laurie Santos
Or that. We should get rid of small talk altogether.
- [28:45]
Podcast Host (Happiness Lab)
We talk about current events. We talk about what you do for a living, but not do you love what you do for a living? Is this your dream job?
- [28:50]
Dr. Laurie Santos
Or that the mental health crisis isn't what we think it is and that kids today are doing better than we assume.
- [28:56]
Researcher or Scientist
It was really disorienting for us as researchers to be so wrong about our hypothesis. We are so scared that we are going to underreact to a severe challenge that we tend to overreact.
- [29:09]
Dr. Laurie Santos
For more surprising ideas backed by psychological science, check out our new series, Happiness Hot Takes. Listen to the Happiness lab with me, Dr. Laurie Santos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Sheryl Swoopes
Hey, everybody, I'm Tareka Fosta Brasby. What's up, y'?
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Colin Cowherd
All?
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Sheryl Swoopes
I'm your girl, Sheryl Swoooops. When you tune in to a new episode of our podcast, Levels to this, you're definitely gonna get some spicy WNBA analysis.
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Researcher or Scientist
I see a lot of men who get into the space because now it's a hot product and that grinds my gears to dust.
- [29:45]
Sheryl Swoopes
But then the conversation goes on and levels up beyond basketball.
- [29:50]
Podcast Guest (Levels to this)
It's been really, really cool seeing kind of these women just really step into their power off the court and understand that they are basketball, right? And they're not asking for permission because
- [30:02]
Sheryl Swoopes
on Levels to this, the game is always the starting point. But we're more than just hoops and the real conversation is what we actually bring. This is Levels to this, the podcast about all the levels of stuff that women go through. Listen to levels to this with Sheryl Swoopes and Tareka Foster brasby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mangesha
I'm Mangesha together and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about and what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science.
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Lele Pons
I can make a brain for you and then we can test what drug is the best for your brain as opposed to his brain.
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Mangesha
Here are some hard truths I would
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Podcast Guest or Narrator
explain Expect Indians to age faster, but
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Colin Cowherd
I did not expect it to be
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Podcast Guest or Narrator
almost a four to five year acceleration
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Mangesha
and get myself into a world of trouble.
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Sheryl Swoopes
I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work to make it look more defined.
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Bill Belichick
They say it works. I don't know.
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Mangesha
Listen to Skyline Drive how to live Forever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Theo Henderson
Mainstream media is full of cruel depictions of the unhoused. Stories that shame and blame and paint the unhoused as a monolith. We the Unhoused is the podcast that's changing that. I'm Theo Henderson, creator and host and for years I've created a space where the unhoused and their advocates can tell their own stories. In the last few months alone, I've interviewed unhoused parents, immigrants, mutual aid organizers, veterans, the LGBQTIA community, and the policymakers who make the laws that impact the unhoused existence. Radian House is a two time Webby and Signal award winning show with many exciting guests on the horizon. Tune in this week for my interview with Dr. Gio Witcher, a street doctor turned influencer whose work with the unhoused community has made a a huge impact online and in her community. Listen to we the unhoused on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Colin Cowherd
We've had such great guests the last couple of days. Bill Belichick and he was in a storytelling mood. That was fantastic. Jamie o' Hara yesterday. That was so unique on our show. I'm shutting it down for a couple of weeks. Every July I take a couple of weeks off. So this is the last show and then I'm going to, you know, play some golf and do whatever. But let's go to John Middelkoff with the News.
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Jalen Brunson
No, no, no.
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News Anchor
Turn on the news.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
This is the Herd line news.
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Sports Analyst
You know, Colin, Speaking of champions, Jalen Brunson and the Knicks are fresh off the City's first basketball NBA title since 1973, and ahead of next season. Brunson was asked about how tough it will be to enter next season with a target on their back.
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Jalen Brunson
Now, winning, I think it's an even bigger challenge. Like you said, now it's a target on your back. Now, players and teams have changed and gotten better.
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News Anchor
So
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Jalen Brunson
how are we going to evolve as a team? How are we going to figure out what's the next step for us? And that's going to be a really big, important question coming into training camp. Like, how are we going to be better? How are we going to literally look at the trophy, know that that was last year, and then forget about it? And so it's gonna be. It's gonna be a very interesting training camp to see where our mind's at, but I'm excited for the challenge.
- [33:54]
Colin Cowherd
The other thing is Philadelphia's now got a bit of a stacked roster. Boston, I don't think, will devolve much because I do think their culture is going to be fine without Jalen. Cleveland could get LeBron. Halliburton comes back. Orlando is going to. I keep waiting for Orlando to pop det Good. The hardest thing for the Knicks is the East. This was. This was a uniquely bad year for the East. Part of it was it felt like half the conference was tanking to get great players in the draft. The east is. The Knicks could literally be better next year and have more of a postseason struggle, because I think the east is going to be much better.
- [34:31]
Sports Analyst
The. The. They did sweep the Sixers. Right. And they beat Jaylen Brown in the first round. You know, the one thing I would hope for, and you mentioned the tanking, maybe these new rules kind of slow that down. Oh, yeah, it would be nice. Remember the warriors the first year? They won it back in 1415. They came back the next year with a chip on their shoulder and won 73 games. The Knicks won 53 games last year. It's not like they won 68. No, it'd be nice to see them now that they have the team chemistry. They know how to play under Mike Brown. The entire team's coming back. I guess Mitch Robinson went to Boston, but, I mean, you should be able to replace a rotational center.
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Lele Pons
Yeah.
- [35:11]
Sports Analyst
See a team, like, kind of shoot for. Let's try to win 60 games and be the number one seed and try to do Something special.
- [35:17]
Colin Cowherd
You know, the other thing is one thing about the Knicks that is inarguable. It the maturity of Brunson and Josh Hart and Bridges and OG and it was a series of mature Villanova multiple year in college guys. I mean Katz always been a little, he can be a little flaky sometimes. But by and large when I look at that Knicks team, this is an older, mature team. It's not a bunch of kids that want an early title and they're going to fall in love with themselves. Like Mike Brown's been fired four times. Like Mike Brown is head down grind. Brunson's a second round pick. The best news for the Knicks is this is not a team that's going to fall in love with the, with the, with the championship. Like they're grown ups. They've been around the block, they've been doubted, they've been traded, they've been mocked, they've been drafted in the second round. Those are the kind of teams to me, Kansas City's got a little bit of this, the Chiefs, where they never get too high on the supply.
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Sports Analyst
I also think they kind of put a band aid on what many would consider the worst regular season of all time because of the tanking and they became this cultural moment and just, I mean, an incredible run. Okay, on, on to the NFL where the Bills enter another season as a Super bowl favorite. They do every single year, even though they haven't been to one with Josh Allen. Obviously, coming off the devastating loss of the Broncos in the divisional round, we're now entering year nine for Josh Allen and his left tackle, Dion Dawkins knows they need to continue to improve.
- [36:49]
Dion Dawkins
Everybody has to do better. So we're all going to be that and do that so we can get over that hump and we can be exactly what we want to be and stop talking about it right like I'm ready for it. It's time. And I'm telling you, man, it's kill or be killed. And we're not playing around. We are not playing around with nobody.
- [37:06]
Colin Cowherd
I think they have defensive issues and they've addressed that with the draft. Some guys are slower to get on board or slower to kind of develop, but they've spent some draft capital on defense. I think their offensive personnel at this point is underrated. D.J. moore, Dawkins, James Cook, Josh Allen, better than average tight ends. Like, I think offensively, I think they're good enough to win the Super Bowl. My question is, over the last two years, I mean, Sean McDermott, we talked about this, like last year's like, like we're not, we need more players. And that was a little fissure between he and the gm, but like they just don't have a lot of elite guys defensively.
- [37:42]
Sports Analyst
You know what's pretty unheard of though, Colin, in the NFL is when you make the playoffs every year. Last year they won a playoff game and easily could have won that Broncos game. You typically keep your job. Right. When Jim Harbaugh essentially got fired with the Niners, they missed the playoffs. Andy Reid with the Eagles, they had missed the playoffs. John Harbaugh this year, 8, 9 missed the playoffs. Sean McDermott got fired after being in the second round, which doesn't happen that often. So they're, you know, even the Ravens, they're bringing a guy from the outside. I know he's been there. There's a unique pressure here with Joe Brady elevating him to take over, which also is an easier transition because he knows the entire team. But I think their defense, their personnel is probably average, which can be difficult in the. When you look at the teams that typically win in the playoffs.
- [38:28]
Bill Belichick
Right.
- [38:28]
Sports Analyst
I mean that, that was kind of the downfall of the Rams last year. Well, what did Les need do this offseason? Trent McDuffie, Miles Garrett, sign another corner. So that to me is always going to be the question mark with the Bills going in. To me they should be a team around the trade deadline that any high end defensive player, they should be all over.
- [38:48]
Colin Cowherd
Totally agree.
- [38:49]
Sports Analyst
Okay, on to our favorite sport, college football. And I don't you're more of a husky guy than a duck guy. But I know you have a lot of appreciation for the Bilati, Chip Kelly and now Dan Lanning. According to On3Sports, they entered the season with the number one defense and the number two offense. Colin, you know, Bilotti was a UC Davis guy, so I grew up in Davis. We followed Mike Bilotti. Chip Kelly took them to another level.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [39:20]
Sports Analyst
And really over the last 15 years, Chip Kelly took him to a national championship. Hell, first took him to a national championship. We'd all assume Dan Lanning will want. This team has never won a national champion.
- [39:33]
Colin Cowherd
Crazy, right?
- [39:33]
Sports Analyst
So they are in this world with the Miami, the Ohio States, the Tech. I mean look at all these teams. The uscs, they are the only modern day power and really they've been a top five program. What would you say now, consistently 15 years?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, 15 years, absolutely.
- [39:47]
Sports Analyst
That does not have the national championship. Is there pressure on Dan?
- [39:51]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean they.
- [39:52]
Sports Analyst
Couple years, yeah.
- [39:53]
Colin Cowherd
I mean they, they want one. I mean there's no question. I think, you know what's interesting is a lot of the, like Miami was struggling pre nil. Nil has helped Miami a lot. Alabama was dominant pre nil. They don't feel the same post nil. Oregon was great before it and great after it. So when I, and by the way that that's not for everybody. Some of these programs. Georgia was dominant pre nil. Georgia's really good now. So Texas A and M feels like they flourished a bit more with nil because of the oil money and you know, all their ag money. But you look at Oregon, they won and they don't. That's a state, Oregon that has maybe three to four high end Division 1 high school football players a year. So I mean it's the vision of Phil Knight. It's the management of the athletic department. Great pre nil. Outstanding post nil. It's a really well oiled machine in Eugene because you just think everybody's the same. I mean Michigan's great now Michigan's man overboard. Now Michigan gets Kyle Whittingham. I mean Oregon reminds me of a flashier Utah. They just win a bunch and I mean obviously Oregon's at a higher level but Utah forever won bowl games. Great coach. People just don't pay attention to how well run Utah football is. And I feel that way with Oregon. It doesn't matter how the fundamentals change in recruitment of players. They're elite at everything in that program. They'll win one eventually.
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Sports Analyst
To win a national championship now especially if you don't get one of those buys and you know for Oregon is hard because you got Ohio State in your conference. You know Michigan, they just wanted a couple years ago, you know, Penn State is going to be good. USC is kind of on the come up. You'd have to win four games that look at Miami last year they got really close but Indiana got a breather after the Ohio State game. So to me getting that buy and I know a couple years ago they got the buy and they got blown out by Ohio State. But that has to be the goal because it makes it such an easier path. You only got to win the three games instead of four and you're dealing with 18, 19, 20 year old guys. So yeah, I don't know how you couldn't be excited to watch. I mean to me Oregon this year, Oregon to Texas got to be the two teams that I can't wait to watch.
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Yep.
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Colin Cowherd
John Middlecop of the news.
- [42:10]
Sports Analyst
Well that's the news.
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Colin Cowherd
And thanks for stopping by the Herd
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Fox Sports Radio Announcer
Lie New Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Dr. Laurie Santos
Here at the Happiness Lab, we're serving up some hot takes for the summer. Big ideas that just might reshape how you think about your well being. Like we've been thinking about the loneliness epidemic all wrong.
- [42:35]
Podcast Guest or Narrator
You can be lonely in a marriage. You can be lonely at a party. I don't think loneliness is actually about solitude. Loneliness is about something much bigger.
- [42:44]
Dr. Laurie Santos
Or that we should get rid of small talk altogether.
- [42:47]
Podcast Host (Happiness Lab)
We talk about current events. We talk about what you do for a living, but not do you love what you do for a living? Is this your dream job?
- [42:53]
Dr. Laurie Santos
Or that the mental health crisis isn't what we think it is and that kids today are doing better than we assume.
- [42:59]
Researcher or Scientist
It was really disorienting for us as researchers to be so wrong about our hypothesis. We are so scared that we are going to underreact to a severe challenge that we tend to overreact.
- [43:11]
Dr. Laurie Santos
For more surprising ideas backed by psychological science, check out our new series, Happiness Hot Takes. Listen to the Happiness lab with me, Dr. Laurie Santos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Sheryl Swoopes
Hey everybody, I'm Tareka Foster Brasby. What's up y'?
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Sheryl Swoopes
I'm your girl, Sheryl Swoooops. When you tune in to a new episode of our podcast, Levels to this, you're definitely gonna get some spy CWNBA analysis.
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Researcher or Scientist
I see a lot of men who get into the space because now it's a hot product and that grinds my gears to dust.
- [43:47]
Sheryl Swoopes
But then the conversation goes on and levels up beyond basketball.
- [43:52]
Podcast Guest (Levels to this)
It's been really, really cool seeing kind of these women just really step into their power off the court and understand that they are basketball, right? And they're not asking for permission because
- [44:04]
Sheryl Swoopes
on Levels to this, the game is always the starting point. But we're more than just hoops and the real conversation is what we actually bring. This is Levels to this, the podcast about all the levels of stuff that women go through. Listen to Levels to this with Sheryl Swoopes and Tarika Foster brasby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
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Sports Analyst
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Colin Cowherd
So the first year with Ben Johnson and the number one thing that we worried about on this show about Caleb Williams was you can't get sacked that much. You got to get rid of the ball, got to be better pre snap and he did it. The second thing is through two years he's completing 60% of his throws. You got to get up to about 62 to 63. Although Matt Stafford's first year in the NFL in Detroit, he completed 54. Josh Allen's first year in Buffalo 56. And the first year with Caleb, I was just impressed that he avoided sacks because he was getting crushed his first year with Eber Fluss and that crew. But I also think there are certain quarterbacks in my life, Dan Marino, Josh Allen, Brett Favre, Caleb Williams, they have so much horsepower, they're so much special at the high end. I don't really care that much about completion percentage and RG3 talked about it yesterday.
- [46:43]
John Middelkoff
His trajectory is kind of that of like a Brett Favre. You have to take the good with the bad and the good is so good and dynamic. And because he cleaned up his sack issues, I think him and Ben Johnson are like the perfect yin and yang, the perfect right amount of craziness. And I don't think it's outrageous to say that he'll be the third best quarterback in the league this year.
- [47:07]
Colin Cowherd
And that was my assertion this week is that I can projected forward the ability to just clean stuff up. First year in the league he was overwhelmed but didn't turn the ball over. A lot of second year in the league. He became the best late game quarterback in the league. Got rid of the sacks third year, just more layups. Don't miss the easy stuff. But again, Rory McElroy is 177th in driving accuracy last year. Like I don't need a perfect quarterback. You know, I mean baseball analytics figured this out. The strikeout for power hitters is just not that big of a deal. Aaron Judge won back to back MVPs in those two years. He struck out 331 times. Kyle Schwaber for Philadelphia is his career batting average. I think it's like 235. Like if you give me way up here. And this is where analytics has been great. We get all paralyzed on creating the perfect player. No, there's just certain things you got to be really good at. Jalen Brown does so many things well, but he dribbles the air out of the basketball. And the Celtics culture is pass quickly, shoot quickly. That's not Jaylen Brown's game. So he doesn't analytically really work. He takes the ball out of the hands of Jason Tatum who again works with their analytical system. So I just, I don't think a ton about it. I saw a story. Odyssey is apparently great with Christopher Nolan. Christopher Nolan, I mean he's quirky. He doesn't use email ever. I don't know if he has an iPhone. I don't think he does. Like, and I've known people like that. Creative people in music arts, they're different. And I think for guys like Caleb Williams who can do things, I mean it's a little art here what he's doing. He's spilling some paint. So I don't really get too caught up. Kirk cousins, I need 67%. I can't have you spill too much paint.
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Colin Cowherd
Like Caleb. I can live with it. Is it. Christopher Nolan uses a pay as you go flip phone. That seems more complicated to me than the iPhone. Good show today we'll have the 10 best so far goals in the World Cup. Bill Belichick stopped by today, had great stories on culture and Gronk. He's actually the nil. Actually I think benefits older coaches like a Tom Izzo. Now sometimes it's administrative. You can get on the phone and pay somebody. Bill Belichick doesn't have to be beaten down the doors and you know you can buy players. I, I do think the issue and Lane Kiffin Lincoln Riley, Deion Sanders, Brian Kelly and maybe even Belichick last year. The downside to the nil because I'm for it and I think it's great. But it's not perfect, right? Transfer portal. Love it. Not perfect is that you're taking somebody else's players. And so it's much easier when you recruit a high schooler for two or three years. And you know the coaches, you know a lot of good high school basketball players or football players, high school football players, they go to the same four or five great schools in a region. And like, you know the coaches, you know the reputation. They tell you this, you tell them that. You know, a lot of times I've talked to coaches with Nil. I mean, you need a linebacker, one's available. It's a bidding war. You don't have a lot of time to do background checks. You need him, he's available. Six schools have called him. You're the seventh. That's why Nil can create sort of chemistry fissures in teams.
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Podcast Guest or Narrator
All right.
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Colin Cowherd
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Castle 1021
Cap Apply A home World cup only happens once in a lifetime and we are not missing a second. I'm Castle 1021 on the 1021 podcast. Me and the crew break down every match like it's personal. The drama, the upsets, the debates you'll be having all day, soccer, culture and chaos in one place. Pick a side. We already did. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Lele Pons
My first guest is Paris Hilton, Shakira, Luke and Yerim.
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Bill Belichick
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Lele Pons
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Bill Belichick
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Lele Pons
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Sheryl Swoopes
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