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Jordan Palmer
Now let's get this party started.
Dan Beyer
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. Friday hour two. Fired up lives in Los Angeles. It's the hurt whatever platform you're on. Thanks for making us part of your day. I have a very interesting interesting topic in about five minutes. I'm going to get to before I get to my picks. Now I I will admit I'm going to stay away from Chiefs Lions. I want to watch the game. I think it's a field goal game either way. I think Kansas City is better than people think. But I think Detroit's run game is demoralizing and and clock controlling and difficult. So I'm going to stay away from that. I'm taking some ugly teams this week.
Colin Cowherd
Well, I have no fear. So I'll be discussing Chiefs Lions later. Some numbers for you. Not great for your number one team in the herd hierarchy.
Dan Beyer
So let me just say this. You feast on ugly teams. You bet Carolina. More than like Carolina guy, but I, I, I got my picks this week and I like them. Here we go. That's a hot one. Let's blaze it up.
Jordan Palmer
Fire it up. It's Collins.
Dan Beyer
Blazing fire. Seahawks at Jaguars Seattle plus one and a half. Go Moneyline. They're going to win this puppy outright. One of five teams to hold a fourth quarter lead in every game. Even the games they lost. They could have won. Number two scoring offense. Since week two they've been a great road team with Mike McDonald eight game road winning streak. And Darnold is on an absolute heater in his last three weeks. A passer rating over 130. The Jags on short rest up a highly emotional win. Probably the biggest Jags win in several years. Offensively they are terrible on third down. The Seahawks played their worst offensive game of the season. They'll be in a bad mood. Watch Seattle's defense come back, revert to what we know they are. The turnover regression for Jacksonville. They're not going to keep getting three and four turnovers a game. Seattle wins outright in a bad mood. Cross Country1027 Hawks rebound from that loss last week. Patriots at Saints take the under patriots saints under 45 and a half points. Neither team runs the ball right. Patriots and Saints are scoring under 20 points in half their games this year. New England's again coming off an Emotional, dramatic, tough road win. I think they come back down to earth. I think they win but it's going to be ugly and low scoring. They're a top 10 scoring defense. Christian Gonzalez, now he's back. It's hard to throw on him. The Saints Spencer Rattlers. Interesting. Nine touchdown passes and 11 career starts. These are two teams still finding their way. Can't run the ball. Patriots win, but take the under. Let's say a 21, 20 ugly, choppy game. Take the under. Chargers and Dolphins can't believe it but I'm going to take Miami plus the four and a half. Listen, Tua at home has been good his last seven home games. He's not the problem. 112 passer rating. Chargers could be on their third running back in their third left tackle. They are a mess and what that does. They settled for field goals. They are struggling in the red zone. So even if they dominate time of possession, they're going to. They're not going to dominate in the red zone. Justin Herbert Three straight games with at least one interception. So I get a team traveling cross country on backups to backups. A Miami coach fighting for his career and they're getting four and a half at home. I think I'm going to take the Dolphins, Chargers probably win this game 24:23. I'm absolutely taking the points with the Dolphins, Titans and Raiders again, I'm betting ugly this week. I like the Raiders minus three and a half. They're coming off a humiliating road loss. What the teams do when they're humiliated. The Giants got humiliated last week. They beat the Eagles. They have found a rushing game with Ashton Genty. Look at the last two weeks for the Raiders. 173 yards rushing, yards per game. So they're going to lean on that. And folks, Tennessee's awful. Forget the win last week, they're awful. Held at 20 points or fewer in four to five games, allowing six yards of play. So again, I don't love Gino. I think they're going to run the ball. It's going to be ugly. The Raiders were humiliated. Maybe it's one of their few wins on the year, but I'm going to take it. Swallow the points. 26:17 over what I think in Tennessee right now is easily the worst team in the league. Bears at Commanders. My favorite bet of the week is the Commanders minus four and a half. They're two and oh at home. Both blowout wins. Last three weeks. Averaging 27 plus points in three games. Okay, so they're getting points on the board. Jaden Daniels last week looked excellent according to pff. They also have the best special teams and their defense is getting after it up front. So I think you're going to see the Washington of last year. Terry McLaren could play the Bears. They've lost four straight in prime time. They're not a rise to the moment franchise. They've been a bad road team forever. Their defense is allowing the most yards. Do you know that lost in all this Caleb Williams discussion? Their defense is allowing 6.7 yards of play. It's atrocious. The Commanders win 33:26 J. Mac doesn't love my picks. I'm taking some ugly. I'm taking the points in Miami at home. I'm taking the Raiders. Raiders had the Bears beat last week if not for that field goal. You don't like my picks.
Colin Cowherd
You know what happens when you lie down with dogs. You get fleas. Colin and there is some, there's some grossness here so I respect that. By the way, did you look at the Seahawks injury report? Three of the four starters in the secondary may be down this week. Not great at all against Trevor Lawrence who's slinging it.
Dan Beyer
So you're going to take a team that is literally kind of bipolar ish at home after the most important win for the franchise national TV game in years. I mean let's be honest about Jacksonville. When's the last time they played back to back great games against good teams?
Colin Cowherd
Here's what I'm surprised at. You're taking close spreads. There's some big ones out there. Rams are big. Looks like Lamar's not going to go.
Dan Beyer
Oh, interesting.
Colin Cowherd
Colts are big. Looks like Kyler's not going to go on this show.
Dan Beyer
What did I do a ago? Bills are going to crush the Saints. Packers are going to crush the Cowboys. Chargers are going to crush the Giants. Last what was last night Eagle is going to crush. I stayed away from all of them.
Jordan Palmer
All right.
Dan Beyer
You know one game I actually like. I could be out of my mind here. Don't tell me Dolphins, Raiders.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that you're out of your mind for sure.
Dan Beyer
When you, when you they're running the ball now.
Colin Cowherd
Raiders have a good run defense. Tommy Titans just stink at everything else.
Dan Beyer
So I want you to think about this. I'm not saying it's true but I just want you to think about it. When Russell Wilson was dominating the league, we were absolutely sure hall of Famer magical. The future of the sport is Jalen Hurts. Think about this. The next Russell Wilson. Oh let me Let me throw some things at you. Both are undersized, but thick and athletic. Both had to transfer in college. Their coaches were like, yeah, I'm going to start somebody else in college. Both throw a nice deep ball, but neither was a first round pick. Both are playmakers from the pocket, but they're, they're not pocket quarterbacks. Russell Wilson and Jalen, very successful with stacked rosters when they have a run game and a great defense. Both two Super Bowls. Win one, lose one. We like their personalities, but neither is beloved by teammates. I've been told that about Jalen Hurts. We've seen it with Russell and in their super bowl winning season, in Russ's and in Jalen, they threw under 200 yards. Russell seven times, hurts eight. There's a lot of similarities to the thick, mature, elusive, not great from the pocket. How many times has Greg Cosell come on this show? He did it for years with Russell Wilson. He said Russell Wilson has planned ad libs. He's not great from the pocket. That's why, said Greg Cosell, he often throws the deep ball because he's not good in the middle of the field. What did Greg Cosell say this week about Jalen Hurts? He doesn't throw the ball well over the middle of the field. Go listen to Greg Cosell with Russell in his prime and Jalen, the same thing. It's the same thing. Consistently under 200 yards when you, you got the players. So. And I loved Russell and I'm the defender at all costs with Jaylen Herz. But I mean, now you got players only meetings. AJ Brown, Jaylen Herz, drama. Russell had teammate drama. Here was Jalen on his struggles last night. Want to go out there and play.
Mike Harmon
The type of ball we know we're.
Dan Beyer
Capable of playing and a lot of.
Mike Harmon
That, you know, for the brand of.
Dan Beyer
Ball we kind of establish ourselves to play. It's been playing with good detail, being.
Mike Harmon
Smart in situations and being able to.
Jordan Palmer
Capitalize on some of these big point.
Dan Beyer
Swings in the game.
Mike Harmon
And so we got to be a better. We got to do a better job at that.
Jordan Palmer
And I have to lead better in.
Dan Beyer
Terms of executing in those situations because it starts with me in the red zone in two minute. Operationally. Oh, he's great at the podium. Russell Wilson always been great at the podium. Mature, start, start. You don't like the comms. But by the way, last week when I suggested Russell Wilson wouldn't be a Hall of Famer pushback, would you vote in Jalen Hurts to the hall of Fame? I mean, Neither is a first round pick. Neither great from the pocket, neither beloved by teammates. Both get to a couple Super Bowls. But even in their super bowl winning seasons, half the games are under 200 yards. Both had drama with some teammates. Just. I'm, I'm not saying it's out there, but it's interesting. Is it not kind of interesting? Just, you know, I'm not saying it with great conviction, I'm saying it with great curiosity, but it's kind of interesting. Our quarterback whisperer is around the corner. Brady Quinn shows up. We got, I'm telling you, Oregon, Indiana, usc, Michigan. Just a couple of them. You didn't think last weekend. Remember last weekend? College football all Penn State, ucla. There was about a four hour stretch last Saturday. It was crazy. Florida, Texas, Penn State, ucla, Washington. Coming from behind on the east coast to beat Maryland. Tomorrow's gonna be really interesting. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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Jordan Palmer
Well, I just like to keep it simple. And he's two in one. And I'm not concerned with who they lost to and who they beat because you could make the argument man, how do you lose to the Saints? And then you could also make the same argument go how they beat the Eagles. I think he's two and one and he's two in one with three big obstacles which makes it more impressive. One is personnel. We, we saw last night on the broadcast all the players that aren't playing at receiver for them, right. I mean I'm like googling these guys names, right? So the one is, you know, he's playing with a, with you know, a short deck, an empty cabinet, whatever cliche you want to use. Where you got Wanda Robinson's his go to guy. Okay. So that's 1, 2. He's playing on a team that's lost more than they've won. I'm not calling them losers but they've lost more than they've won this franchise the last few years. And so you're not entering into a well oiled machine where everyone is accustomed to winning the close game, right. And then three, he's a rookie. And I've said this on your show before, and we've talked about this off camera is I think quarterbacks are survivalists and they got to do what they got to do to survive and early in guys careers. And there's a connection here to Josh Allen on this too. You sometimes you got to run around and make plays. I don't think his career, he's going to average 50 yards rushing a game but he has through his first three starts because he's had to. These aren't designed quarterback runs. These are plays that he's making. And so you know he's, he's doing all three. He's handling all three of those obstacles well to the tune of two and one. And the other thing that's overarching on this is that like the elephant in the room, like he's also doing it in New York where everything's over scrutinized and a lot of young quarterbacks have a hard time doing that.
Dan Beyer
So I want to ask you about, listen, there's a lot of smart offensive guys out there in the league and out of it like yourself, Kyle Shanahan, I thought Mac Jones, it was done. I thought his temperament was off. I had heard things inside the building at New England that were not winning kind of quarterback traits from people I trust. And all of a sudden he goes and he's humble and he's always thrown a nice ball.
Mike Harmon
What is.
Dan Beyer
I mean, Kyle obviously is just better than most at this. Is it the talking, the dialogue? Is it, is it mechanics? Like, what is it about Kyle and quarterbacks that almost always elevates them?
Jordan Palmer
Well, Colin, you're a world class communicator, right? And so at some point you learned a lot of how to communicate, right? So for me, when I was doing more public speaking and getting in front of. I used to watch this guy, Simon Sinek and he has this famous video where it's all about the why. Whether you're in sales, whether you're trying to have a take on TV or you're trying to lead a room full of people, you got to have a. His thing was about the why. And I really took that as a coach. And the more I can connect why somebody needs to do something as opposed to what to do, the more helpful I've been as a coach. And now as I have clients, college and pro and even high school where the coaches. I've just come to the conclusion coaches tell you what to do but not necessarily why to do it. And maybe they know why, but they have a hard time explaining it. I didn't really learn this about Kyle Shanahan, though. I've known him a long time. I have a. I interviewed with him when he was the quarterback coach at the Houston Texans when I was at the combine. I mean, I've known this guy forever, but until Sam Darnold went there to back up Brock, who I've spent a lot of time with Sam and really understood. Oh, I think that's what it is about Kyle Shanahan. He gets all this love for his play design and how he uses personnel. I don't know, it's subjective. I don't know if he does that better than everyone. But I think and learning how Sam's experience and how much he grew in one year of not starting was. I think Kyle helps quarterbacks understand why they are doing this footwork, why we are going to have this guy outside release and then cross his face, why we are going to set run this to set that up. And I just think Kyle's why as it pertains to helping quarterbacks understand the nuances of the offense is why guys go there and play their best football. And it's also why and. And credit to my business partner, Mike White, who's a Niner fan and works with all the guys to go back to that draft of Mac Jones because we had Trevor Lawrence in our group. M. Jones And Trey Lance and all that. Which is why Mike from day one has been saying Max Jones is a perfect fit in Kyle Shanahan offense. Don't worry about what he can't do. And so he's. He's getting some, you know, some love for that right now because as we've seen through three games with Mac Jones, it doesn't matter what Mac Jones can't do. He can do all the things that Kyle requires.
Dan Beyer
So you never gave up on Sam Darnold? He and Baker put on a clinic last week. It was one of the most entertaining games I've seen. It was. I mean, it was Canadian Football League. It was just up and down the field. And you never gave up on Darnold. I wondered if he could ever get the reckless. I've always said this. You can coach a lot. Can you get the reckless out of Carson Wentz or Sam Darnold? I didn't know if you could. Why didn't you give up on Darnold when everybody else did?
Jordan Palmer
Well, if you go back to Sam in high school and college, he was a playmaker, right? And there was some incredible memories from college, you know, Rose Bowl MVP and all that stuff. Some high highs. But I remember going through the draft process with Sam, and every GM and owner wanted to talk about the fact that he was a fumbler. I think he had like 11 his last year at Scott. And then you go through his first couple years in the NFL and I don't have the stats in front of me, but he was. He was a fumbler. And it's not that coaches didn't tell him keep two hands on the ball, but even that clip right there, as he's transitioning from right to left, going through his front side, you know, he's bought into this idea that movement and being under control can allow you to not take your hand off the ball to get going and running. And so we're. We're coming up on 20 something games where he hasn't taken his left hand off the ball in a situation where he hasn't. Where he shouldn't. And so it's the.
Dan Beyer
It's.
Jordan Palmer
That sounds really in the weeds and detailed. The reason I never give up on him is because he's been focused on a bunch of things like that. He's willing to get drugged through the mud in New York, be a bust, hear all the things that everybody says about him, and just every off season, reset. And so I think I've said this to you, Colin. There's certain quarterbacks Like Sam, like my brother. Where. Because they have the ability to reset every year regardless if it was terrible or awesome. Because the way they don't cut corners ever and they do all the little things right and their ability to block out all the noise. Players like that and obviously with a lot of talent. I've been telling them and I've been telling Sam for about five years now, the same line over and over and over again. There will be a time and a place where all you have to do is play to the best of your abilities and you'll be in every game with a chance to make a run at the end verbatim. And that's what we're seeing here out of Sam and Baker. And I know you've had your issues with Baker over the years. I didn't necessarily disagree with you. But it's when you're winning and it works and it's in the right environment, it's not a problem.
Dan Beyer
Yeah, no, I said this. Cleveland is a rough environment, impulsive owner, kind of a bitter press. Everybody in Cleveland poke Baker in the ribs and everybody in Tampa opens doors for him. It's more chill. He's got a very supportive GM and owner and environment for people with fiery personalities is key. So there's two questions I want to ask you. 15 quarterbacks now have 100 plus passer rating. 15 and it was six two years ago. Some of this is there's a lot of good offensive coaches out there. Some of it may be we've had very nice warm fall weather. I mean even In Buffalo it's 80 degrees. Maybe it's that, maybe it's because everybody plays zone. So it's a kind of throw to a spot. And these guys from 7 on 7 to coaching, you know, yourself included, they're just. These guys are good beating up zones. I don't know what it is, but it's like the golden age. Is it the quarterback, is it the coaching? Is it the zone defense? Half the league is 100 pass already. Why?
Jordan Palmer
Well, I don't think it's the defense because as I watch tape every week, there's a bunch of stuff people are running on third down that didn't exist three years ago. And it continually evolves. So I don't think it's the defense. Right. These, these pass rushers aren't getting a little skinnier and a little slower. But I think what it is is the quarterback and the offensive coordinators ability to manufacture more high percentage throws. And it sounds simple, right? Like, let's just get the ball out of your hands and let your playmakers make plays. Says every coach ever. We got a big, you know, the little Bills third and fourth grade flag. We play tomorrow with my fourth grader, we're going to operate under the same pretense of let's get the ball out of our hands and let our guys eat. But I think it's being on the same page and the evolution like we've talked about in high school and college, what quarterbacks are asked to do. And I think there's more ways to in with motions and with shifts and with formations to be able to create more high percentage throws. So if I can just have a quarterback get five more completions a game and they average four to eight yards of completion, you start doing simple math that might move your passer rating up 5, 6, 10 points right there. And that's if you're not throwing the playmakers.
Dan Beyer
Yeah, okay. One more pro and then college. Jalen hurts. Greg Cosell's been saying this. He said it years ago about Russell. He said, colin, he throws a deep ball, some of it out of necessity. You can see there's times there's stuff open in the middle of the field. He doesn't see it and Jalen hurts. Similarly, Greg Kosella said to me, there are times he just doesn't see stuff in the middle. He's very good up the sidelines, great kid, accurate. I watched Jalen Hurts and there it does appear that he is better throwing outside than the interior. Where Brady lived or Manning lived. It kind of makes sense. Jordan, because offensive lineman now are 6, 7, like that's what the world has produced. When you watch Jalen Hurts and the struggles, what do you see?
Jordan Palmer
Well, I just think, and I'm not going to say it has nothing to do with him and his personality, like his game. But you keep replacing coordinators every year. And because whether, excuse me, whether you're doing that because your team is struggling or because your team's in the super bowl every year, either way, you start shifting coordinators. The media and the fans want to make it about scheme. This guy's a good coordinator, that guy's a bad coordinator. But the reality is you don't get that continuity. And you can't continue to get to like level four, level five, level six in protections, in routes, in reads, in combinations. I think one of the most underrated thing in sports that I don't see owners do is say, we've got a great offensive coordinator. Let's just pay him like a head coach. If it's going to cost us a chance to win a Super bowl and make a run, let's just drastically overpay him so we don't lose him and do what we got to do to keep him. And unfortunately he had Shane Steichen and then he had Kellen Moore and I honestly don't know the guy's name right now who's the coordinator in Philly. And I think that's a big portion of it. And then the second part, and we saw it on that clip right there. The out route that got picked is, I still think with Jalen, there's a part of his game and he's evolved in the simple, the uncontested throws, the simple movements, getting yourself to a same spot. That's the place where I actually see accuracy fall off. And those are like unforced errors and that's something that can be built over time. All of his momentum still going left. He never gets into his front side. That ball goes inside and that's just what happens. But this is also a super bowling VP and a winner and a guy with a unique skill set. But what you got to do when you're, when you're down, what you got to do when you have a team like this that's not living up to its standard on offenses, you can't miss those balls down the field, particularly when you got guys who are frustrated with their production.
Dan Beyer
One last question. I love Dante Moore at Oregon. Cleveland's got two first round picks, Rams have two first round picks. Giants have their quarterback. There's about four or five teams. I don't know. I watched them at Penn State game and I went, wow. Stoic, calm, accurate, better as the game went. This is what you do for a living. You told me years before people talked about many quarterbacks, they would work. What do you see with that kid?
Jordan Palmer
This kid's a star. I think the national media is going to start to. I'm here you are talking about him, right? I think you're going to start to learn more about this guy. So I actually want to use this minute to just help you better understand who he is and, and your listener who he is because they're going to watch him play and come up with their opinions and honestly he, he's, he's set up for a Heisman national championship type year. But I, I've known him since he was in high school, went through lead 11 process and all that. And he was at UCLA and I was up there throwing with Burrow and a couple of guys at UCLA when Chip Kelly was there. And I just got done hanging out with Dante, throwing a little bit, and I was asking Chip about him and I said, hey, how's Dante doing and all that. And he goes, dante is one of the most appreciative football players I've ever coached. And I'm like, what do you mean appreciative? Well, he grew up in a really tough part of Detroit and so his teammates and a lot of guys knew that a lot of times at UCLA he would just in the middle of the night, just walk around campus late at night because where he grew up, he couldn't do that. And he was just, he was always talking about how grateful he is at ucla, by the way, he's not even playing at this time. He's just so grateful to be there and be around this and, and the environment and what they had and that was at ucla. And so if that's your foundation of like gratitude and humility and then we see what we're seeing and he's, I think, just warming up, you have, you have a very sustainable athlete. Because if that's their foundation and their talented and their clutch, I mean, his face didn't change once in that game. Then you're set up for success. And we've seen how productive these and efficient these quarterbacks coming out of Oregon have been from Dillon to Bo to even before that. And so I actually think the sky's the limit. I won't be surprised if everybody has a number one on their mocks coming out here soon. Whether or not he leaves, I don't know. I think he's a big picture guy, but he's definitely set up for success. I don't see a repeat of what happened last year where they win the big one in the season and then they come up short at the end. I think it's going to be Oregon here in the mix at the end.
Dan Beyer
Okay. Jordan founded Thread Performance. I think I talked about it last time. Go look it up online. Thread Performance nutrition company helping young players and athletes physical, mental potential. How's it going, by the way, with the company?
Jordan Palmer
It's been a rocket ship. We just had year one, almost doubled our sales projections, getting amazing emails from moms. There was nothing on the market for athletes, young athletes that are going through puberty, that have developing bodies and we built some really clean products and we're getting ready to launch our fourth product, hydration, here in the next two weeks.
Dan Beyer
Jordan Palmer, one of the smartest people I bring on the show and whenever I'm wrong, he'll text me and go, you're wrong, coward. You're wrong. And then I'll stop saying what I was saying. It's great seeing you, buddy.
Jordan Palmer
All right, you too. Thanks, man.
Dan Beyer
Yeah, and his brother, of course. Carson Palmer. Big game Friday night. Big game. Santa Margarita. J. Mac. You hear what he said about Jackson Dart winner? Think he said that? Loud and clear.
Colin Cowherd
He's a winner. No doubt about it. Is he a franchise quarterback? That's a different question, my friend.
Dan Beyer
J. Mac with the news.
Jordan Palmer
No, no, no, no.
Mike Harmon
Turn on the news.
Dan Beyer
This is the herd line news.
Colin Cowherd
All right. You love a good survey. Well, the annual NBA GM survey is out. Colin and Eric Spoelstra got 52% of the votes for best head coach.
Dan Beyer
Right.
Colin Cowherd
Then they had one about the most impactful acquisition. No surprise. Kevin Durant, 73%. Interesting one. If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the.
Dan Beyer
NBA, Jokic, who would it be?
Colin Cowherd
Your number one.
Dan Beyer
Is Jokic the best player easily in the league?
Colin Cowherd
You want me to read off the top three?
Dan Beyer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Colin Cowherd
Wembanyama, 83%.
Dan Beyer
Okay.
Colin Cowherd
SGA 13% and then Jokic, 3%.
Dan Beyer
Oh, apparently GMs don't watch their own sport.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, this. This SGA stuff is nonsense. Like, who you're picking SGA over Jokic over Luca Wemby.
Jordan Palmer
Is.
Colin Cowherd
That's insane.
Dan Beyer
Is not only the best NBA player, there's a gap.
Colin Cowherd
Wait, Yokich.
Dan Beyer
You say Yokich? Excuse me. Wemby, by the way, grew another 2 inches. He's 75 now.
Colin Cowherd
I love Webby.
Dan Beyer
And. No, no, I think he. I think he's an unbelievable defensive player. I do worry about his body type. Jokic is not going to be hurt.
Colin Cowherd
Are you surprised Cooper Flag did not crack the top three? I would take Cooper Flag over sga. I'm sorry if I'm starting a franchise.
Dan Beyer
Well, I'd like to see him play a single NBA game.
Colin Cowherd
I've seen enough in college. I like Cooper Flag a lot.
Dan Beyer
You've seen enough in college since he's in every season. Did Cooper Flag end up doing something in that? I bet he's the rookie of the year choice easily. Yes.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. He's an overwhelming favorite. Do not bet him because it's, you know, it's amazing.
Dan Beyer
People get so caught up in the future. Yeah, I gotta get those driving cars. How about we just figure out Waymo? Okay, Don't. Don't you bash Waymo, and Waymo doesn't fly. Can you imagine our mothers in flying cars.
Colin Cowherd
What are you doing? Is this a Jetsons episode?
Dan Beyer
Like, come on. Yeah, how about we worry about the tires that are actually hitting pavement? Everybody's about the future. Jokic for the next four years, will be the best player in the world. You cross your fingers with Wemby's health.
Colin Cowherd
I can't disagree with you there.
Dan Beyer
That's a. Stop that. That's not a bad take, Howard.
Colin Cowherd
All right, let's move on to your LA Rams. Now, listen, defensive end Jared Verse. Guy's been an animal, right? He is a total beast. He's set to face Lamar Jackson this week.
Jordan Palmer
Oops.
Colin Cowherd
Lamar Jackson is still not 100, and he may not play well. When Verse was asked about it, here's what he said about not facing Lamar. Curious about it.
Dan Beyer
I want to play Lamar just because.
Jordan Palmer
Like, you know, he's one of the best quarterbacks, you know, like, currently. And then also, you know, you put them in that conversation of not just running quarterbacks for quarterbacks ever. Like, he's up in that conversation.
Dan Beyer
Pat Mahomes. Lamar is definitely on there. I want to get Josh Allen.
Jordan Palmer
He owe me a couple.
Dan Beyer
But I thought Tom Brady was going.
Jordan Palmer
To come back, so I thought I was going to give my shot at him. But now there's a couple dudes in the league.
Dan Beyer
I definitely got my eye on that. I want to get at least one time. I'm not touching this game. I'm not touching it. Ravens have too much pride. Maybe a few of those guys are coming back to play. I'm not touching it. Rams will win, but I'm not touching it.
Colin Cowherd
Little chicken over there, huh? You're afraid to touch the Rams last.
Dan Beyer
You were throwing lettuce.
Colin Cowherd
I was. I was not. I did not.
Dan Beyer
I warned you about the Bills, but.
Colin Cowherd
I wasn't like, that's one of my picks. It definitely would not have made my. My picks. Your headlines. Let me ask you, though.
Dan Beyer
He.
Colin Cowherd
He said Lamar Jackson's one of the best quarterbacks ever.
Dan Beyer
Yeah, he is.
Colin Cowherd
So you think he's already, like, a top 10 quarterback all time? Is that what we're talking?
Dan Beyer
Ever? Well, in the history of the league, yes. How many people have played quarterback? A thousand.
Colin Cowherd
Let's say a thousand.
Dan Beyer
If you're top 15, you are absolutely elite. Is Lamar now? Lamar might be closer.
Colin Cowherd
Can you be top 15 without getting to a Super Bowl? How is that possible?
Dan Beyer
Dan Marino got to one and he's top five.
Colin Cowherd
He got to a Super bowl, period. I mean, I get it. LaMar's got the MVP.
Dan Beyer
I'm talking. You're talking resume. I'm talking talent.
Colin Cowherd
Well, talent is extremely subjective. Jared Verse might see talent here. You see it.
Dan Beyer
You watch Lamar, do you think a bunch of people go, you know, he's actually slow, low. It's not that subjective. Anybody watch Josh Allen and go, kind of a weak arm? It's not that subjective. It's. It's. Talent's obvious.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but people saw Cam Newton as talented, you know, how did that end up?
Dan Beyer
Well, no, but he was never winning years. Well, again, he's not. Lamar Jackson. Not consistent, but he was super talented.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I like these discussions. I know you don't.
Dan Beyer
Final story.
Colin Cowherd
Colin is the Bengals traded for Joe Flacco, and he was basically announced as the starter after walking into the building. Jamar Chase. Jamar, are you ready for this? Jamar Chase was asked about his new quarterback. Here we go.
Dan Beyer
Everybody know who he is? You know, one of the greatest quarterbacks ever played. But it's good getting him out there. Getting. We had some good reps in a day. Getting a good feel of the offense. He calls the plays a little fast, so that was something new just hearing. But other than that, he's pretty smooth, you know? I mean, he knows the ins and outs. You know, I appreciate organizations trying to. Trying to make this work, so got.
Jordan Palmer
To make it work.
Dan Beyer
I like that.
Colin Cowherd
You like that at the end. I appreciate the organization which you bang on more than anybody trying to make.
Dan Beyer
Well, I appreciate when an employee is supportive of the guys upstairs. Bengals drive me nuts, but I like. That's a. That's a smart response.
Colin Cowherd
Supportive or is this. Man, these guys stink. The organization.
Dan Beyer
You know how I feel about the Bengals. I've said before, I want you to.
Colin Cowherd
Pile on more because there's a certain producer here 15ft away from.
Dan Beyer
He complains about the Bengals more than anybody.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I'm trying to fire Zach Taylor.
Dan Beyer
For two years like you and the Jets. He's not delusional.
Colin Cowherd
I'm a realist. The jets stink. Jack Taylor should have been fired two years ago.
Dan Beyer
Oh, boy, you love to fire people.
Colin Cowherd
I do.
Dan Beyer
Yeah. You're fired.
Colin Cowherd
Maybe I'll host a reality show, I'll fire people, and then I'll be the president in, like, 15 years later.
Dan Beyer
All right. I feel sorry for that soccer team you own.
Colin Cowherd
We're having a rough season.
Dan Beyer
Well, maybe if you were nicer to your employees, you'd have a better season. J. Mac with a news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie news bring the hook on everybody. Brady Quinn's gonna be joining us. Haven't I saw Brady at Illinois? Usc. Yeah, yeah. Usc, Illinois game. I'm telling you, that usc, Michigan game. That is a program definer. That is a big one for the Trojans. Michigan can lose that game. They're on the road. They got a freshman quarterback. Michigan. They can lose that game. That's fine. USC can't lose that game. The pressure is on. The Indiana could go to Oregon and they can lose that game.
Colin Cowherd
I called about tickets to this because it's a hot, hot ticket and they said, you've got a box there. I could probably squeeze in.
Dan Beyer
You'll be there. I'm not. I have. I'm watching the game with actually the other side.
Colin Cowherd
You're hanging out with Michigan people. Oh, cow herd.
Dan Beyer
A lot of you people fly over the Midwest. I committed to it.
Colin Cowherd
Lincoln Riley is not a happy man hearing that.
Dan Beyer
Oh boy, it's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
Jordan Palmer
Hey, what's up?
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Super 6 NFL Challenge. Download the Fox Sports app and enter for a free shot to win your share of $10,000. One of the questions is which quarterback will have the most passing yards this week? Stafford, Dak, Daniel Jones or Sammy Darnold? Colin, who you got should be a layup.
Dan Beyer
Well, I think Stafford against the Ravens is a good spot. I think Darnold against the Jags will be interesting. Jacksonville has lived off turnover creation and that will come back down to earth. I mean Jacksonville may may have a recovery somewhere. The so it J Mac and I have always disagreed on Brock Purdy. I think he's fine. I think it's a lot about Shanahan in the system. He doesn't have a winning record, you know when he doesn't have Christian McCaffrey and the team is better offensively today or as good with Mac Jones. Jalen hurts similarly. I love Jalen hurts but I think his intangibles are better than his tangibles is forever. I've been hearing about size doesn't matter for quarterbacks yet does. Russell Wilson doesn't throw the ball well over the middle of the field. Either does Tua either does Jalen Hurts. Greg Cosell looks at every snap. Here's what he said about Jalen Hurts throwing down the middle of the field. One thing Jalen Hurts has never done particularly well, he's not a window throw. He. He doesn't throw the ball between the number and as I said we were talking earlier, 15 to 25 yards. In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback in the league throwing the ball between 15 and 25 yards between the numbers. He doesn't see the game that way. They have to be a running football team and right now they're not running the ball at all. And the O line is hurt. It's banged up and it's not played anywhere near as well as it has the last three, four years when it was arguably the best in the league. Russell Wilson, similarly, like Jalen Hurts, had his best years when he had a dominant run game. So last year, dominant Eagle run game, Jalen Hurts was very good. This year, running game, struggling. Jalen Hurts not as good. It's the same with Russell Wilson. He's never had a great run game. Didn't have it in Denver, didn't have it in Pittsburgh, didn't have it. First couple games without Scatter Boo in New York, Scatterboo wasn't starting, so it's not anti. But when Greg Cosell comes out and tells you, yeah, he's just not. He's. He can't see the field particularly well. Tua has at least been honest about it. Tua tells you, yeah, there's some throws I can't see, so they're, they're, you know, it's like you can be an action star and not be a big, strong, physical actor, but it does help, you know, James Bond, you know, it helps, you know, Schwarzenegger, big, strong, physical guy. Sly Stallone, Vin Diesel. It helps. If you're kind of physically imposing to be an action star. You probably don't need to be. I mean, Matt Damon isn't. Jason Bourne was pretty cool, but it can help. And it's like quarterbacks, six, two and a half and up. Kind of helps. You can see the field better. So it's not a knock on anybody. It's just the reality of, of what we have. So the games this weekend, the one game I did not put in, the blazing five that I will probably regret it. Is Pittsburgh at home against Cleveland. Starting. I think Flacco or, excuse me, he's in Cincinnati, starting Dylan Gabriel is. I may end up regretting it, but the reason I didn't bet it is because of last night. Nobody would have guessed. The Giants house, the Eagles. I stay away from a lot of these divisional games and I know Pittsburgh should win this game, but Mike Tomlin's been a great underdog coach. But Mike Domlin as a favorite has not been as good. And Dylan Gabriel is the kind of guy that could come out because is TJ Watt had a huge year. No, he hasn't. So I look at the Steelers and I'm like, should the Steelers win? Absolutely. I think that, I think the Steelers will win. But if Dylan Gabriel come out and was kind of like 18 to 26.
Jordan Palmer
Wow.
Dan Beyer
And, and it was just, you know, Cleveland's defense is absolutely legit. Go ask the Packers.
Colin Cowherd
Their home road splits are significant. At home they were against the Packers. Then they go to Detroit and it's like they can't stop anybody. Big news. Shador Sanders was just named the backup quarterback according to Kevin Stefanski. So Dylan Gabriel is a tweaked ankle on the opening drive away from seating quarterback to Shador Sanders. That game is now must see tv.
Dan Beyer
Well, it makes it interesting.
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I thought it was going to be Bailey Zappy. I still think you had one of the funniest zappy lines ever. Remember yappy zappy when you were doing like the campaign?
Dan Beyer
Yeah, yeah.
Colin Cowherd
I'll never forget that because it was hilarious.
Dan Beyer
Don't be crappy or we'll see Bailey Zappy. No, I, I but that, that's the game that these divisional two weeks ago Rams are going to crush the Niners. Niners had half their starters. It was in LA last night. Eagles rolling. I'm telling you, Cleveland, Cleveland could make this thing ugly. Dylan Gabriel in Stefanski system could go 18 at 24 and you look up and the Steelers win by a field goal late. That's why I these divisional games are weird.
Colin Cowherd
Then I'll come in shirtless on Monday because I'll be without a shirt. I'll have lost it. Gambling on the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Episode: Blazin' 5 Picks for the Weekend, Jaxson Dart is Special, Jordan Palmer
Date: October 10, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Platform: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume
This episode features Colin Cowherd’s signature “Blazin’ 5” NFL picks for the upcoming weekend, a quarterback deep-dive with expert Jordan Palmer, and lively debates about top sports headlines. Major themes include the evolving landscape of NFL quarterbacks, the criticality of coaching, comparison of QB archetypes, and anticipation for college and pro football matchups.
[04:00–08:56]
Colin and Dan Beyer present and analyze five NFL games for the “Blazin’ 5” segment, emphasizing both strategic betting viewpoints and each game’s broader context.
Seahawks @ Jaguars
Patriots @ Saints (Under 45.5 points)
Chargers @ Dolphins
Titans @ Raiders
Bears @ Commanders
Memorable Collinism:
“You know what happens when you lie down with dogs? You get fleas. There’s some grossness here so I respect that.”
—Colin Cowherd on ugly bets [08:56]
[10:09–13:06]
Colin explores parallels between Jalen Hurts and Russell Wilson, digging into leadership style, play patterns, and skepticism around long-term greats.
Similarities Between Hurts & Wilson:
Notable Quote:
On Leadership & Media Persona:
[18:51–33:45]
Jordan Palmer, ex-NFL QB and renowned QB coach, joins for a robust football talk, touching on hot prospects, coaching impact, and the mechanics of success.
Jaxson Dart’s Emergence:
Kyle Shanahan’s QB Mastery:
On Sam Darnold’s Persistence:
High Passing Ratings Era:
Jalen Hurts Limitations:
[31:03–33:01]
Jordan Palmer spotlights Oregon’s Dante Moore as a future Heisman contender and NFL prospect.
[34:12–36:17]
Dan and Colin riff on NBA’s GM survey results, with some classic Cowherd candor.
On Starting a Franchise:
Jokic’s Longevity:
Rams’ Jared Verse on Facing Lamar Jackson
Top 10 All-Time QBs Discussion:
Joe Flacco to Bengals; Jamar Chase’s Thoughts
[44:40–49:41]
“You feast on ugly teams. You bet Carolina. More than like Carolina guy, but I, I, I got my picks this week and I like them.”
—Colin Cowherd [03:42]
“Both (Jalen Hurts & Russell Wilson) are playmakers from the pocket, but they're, they're not pocket quarterbacks.”
—Colin Cowherd [11:14]
“Kyle's ‘why’ as it pertains to helping quarterbacks understand the nuances of the offense is why guys go there and play their best football.”
—Jordan Palmer [21:13]
“This kid’s a star. I think the national media is going to start to… learn more about this guy.”
—Jordan Palmer on Dante Moore [31:03]
This episode is loaded with NFL betting strategy, quarterback evaluation from both the field and the film room, and up-to-the-minute sports news, all packaged in the vibrant Herd tone. If you want sharp insights for your football weekend and enjoy nuanced discussion about QB development, this hour is a must-listen.