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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Breaking down rookie QB performances, the Miami Dolphins issues, thoughts on the 2024 QB class, Greg Cosell
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Colin Cowherd
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Manny
Why are TSA rules so confusing?
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Devin
You got a hoodie on. Take it all.
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Manny
I'm Manny.
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Noah
I'm Noah.
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Devin
This is Devin.
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Manny
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Noah
I deserve it, you know. Lock him up.
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Manny
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Noah
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Az Fudd
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Devin
Not today.
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Noah
Not today.
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Colin Cowherd
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Devin
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Colin Cowherd
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Devin
He never thought he was going to get caught.
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Noah
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Noah
Thanks for listening to the Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Devin
Now, let's get this party started.
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Noah
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, hour two, flying through it. Greg Cosell is going to be joining us in a couple of minutes. Joint practices, never been bigger. I just, we were talking during the break. The milk Milwaukee brewers are on fire. If you look at the last 11 years in major League Baseball, the Royals have won a World Series, the Yankees and the Mets have not. Is that it? When you get money involved, everybody freaks out. So everybody, you know, we all know that college sports and individual sports, I mean tennis was dominated globally by four people for 20 years. Serena Williams, Federer, Djokovic and it all like they dominated tennis for 20 years. The reality is some people are more talented, more aspirational, more driven, more obsessed. Brady and Mahomes, Belichick, Andy Reid have dominated the NFL and they have a hard cap. Baseball doesn't. They have a real floor. But there's a bottom of college sports, bottom of the NBA. I mean the Bears have been, Bears have never had a 4,000 yard passer. They've got poor ownership like, like they. And that's a big city. We don't have a problem if the Giants or a Washington D.C. team or a Chicago team struggle. But if Cincinnati struggles or Baltimore struggles, oh, that is not fair. The NFL is dominated by small markets, man. A lot of people think the brewers are going to win the World Series. I mean how many baseball managers could run for governor? I mean Dave Roberts, they're furious with him in la. Pat Murphy, they love so this, this constant fear of. Oh, I mean I remember when Barry Switzer took over Wisconsin. Wisconsin was a God awful football program. He ended up going to three Rose Bowls and going 3, 0. It was the same state, mostly the same stadium. I mean, how did he do it? So I mean Barry Alvarez, I mean there was one guy that coached Kansas State, Bill Snyder football forever. They were awful. Bill Snyder made them great. He left, they were awful again. And now they're pretty good. I mean Kansas football has been in my entire life a laughing stock. Then they get this Lance Leopold guy overnight. They're good. So I don't worry about small markets or downtrodden program. Milwaukee didn't have a ton of money, but it's a great place to work. Their R and D is successful. The minor league system, they got a manager. It's a so much fear. Baseball has no salary cap. The Mets, the Yankees and the Dodgers are all in a first place. The Dodgers, Gus, just got swept. The brewers, by the way, went 60 against the Dodgers this year. Oh, the world's ending. Baseball's in a great spot. And the Tigers finally, for the first time ever, great brand. The Tigers are now great with that. Greg Cosell, 46 years, NFL Films, joins us. Okay, my guy, Shador Sanders. Boy, the PFF grade had him just knocking it out of the park. I will say this about Shador when I watch the game, Greg, I do think he moves better then, you know, you said this last week, Bo Nix moves better than people give him credit for. And it just. He just does. I think she does. Movement is pretty good. It's not Bo Nix, but what did you make of his Chadoor's overall performance last Friday?
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Devin
I thought he did more good things than bad things. To me, the movement was more critical when it came to pocket movement. That second touchdown he threw, I thought it was a really good example where he moved to his right in reaction to the blitz pressure. And what I really liked was the way he reset his throwing platform, reset his feet and then delivered the ball at the be at the front of the end zone. You see it right here. You want to throw low at the front of the end zone. I thought that was a really good play. I think one of the things that he'll need to work on because you don't see this a lot in college football, Colin, and there were a number of plays like this and I guarantee that the organization saw this is he's not a naturally anticipatory thrower. And there were a couple of throws that he clearly left on the field that require anticipation. And that's something he'll have to improve if he's to become a quality NFL starting quarterback because, yes, he moved better. But I think you and I both agree if he's to become a quality starter, his game is not going to be built on a playmaking dimension. It's going to be built on his ability to play from the pocket. But there was more good than bad, certainly in his performance.
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Noah
So I've argued this that if Jackson Dart ends up being really good, the Giants have a number one receiver, a very good left tackle, an offensive coach and a tremendous defensive front. Abdul Carter, in very few snaps has looked dominant. So my take is if Jackson Dart can play, I think they're an interesting team. Here's my argument why he should. Three years with Lane Kiffin, 41 college starts in the toughest defensive conference Lane could coach in the NFL today. My take is, I don't want to hear about, well, you know, he's young, 41 starts in the SEC for Lane Kiffin. You watch the game, you watch the film. I Thought, is he an anticipatory thrower? I thought he looked good, yeah.
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Devin
The issue that none of us know is what happens on a daily basis. You know, we sit and watch the games and we see some good players, some bad plays. We just see the touchdown, which was a really good play, by the way, because he saw the safety rotation pre snap and he signaled to Humphrey on the outside to change his route, to convert his route to a fade. And that was a really good play by Dart, a mental play. And that's what you want to see from young quarterbacks. It's not so much the physical, they all have physical ability. But you know, Dart, you're right, he has a ton of college experience. You know, again, to me, we're not there every day. I personally would look to Dart, assuming he's done well throughout camp, I would look to him as the starter. But we don't know how that will play out. You're right about their defensive front. They've got a really good defensive front. Dexter Lawrence will be back, so we'll see. But you know, again, Dart, there were some really good plays and what you would expect, a couple of plays that I'm sure he'd like to have back.
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Noah
So. Cam Ward may be the quietest number one quarterback pick in the last 20 years. Part of that is the Titans are not a big brand. He's a quiet kid. He's. He's really easy to root for, like Lamar Jackson. He wants to win. It's all about football. His teammates like him. They don't have much on the perimeter to help him. So I don't look at him, I'm not going to look at him this year and go, well, they went eight, nine. It's. Listen, the kid has very little to work with. We gotta contextualize this. He had an 11 play drive. Did you see anything with Cam? The tempo, the accuracy, the movement? What did you see?
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Devin
Well, I've been around Cam Ward because I was down at Titan's training camp and he is a very impressive kid. And I got a chance to talk to him. And one thing that really stood out to me, just to tell a quick anecdote, when I met him, fortunately I was set up beautifully by the organization as someone he should talk to. And the first thing he said to me, and I thought this was really impressive, Colin, he just met me, but I was set up beautifully. And he said to me, okay, so what do I need to work on? I thought that was really impressive. He had just met me, but he's Very impressive in person. Now, again, his performance. There was a third and five on the first series where he went through his read too fast. Okay, that's something you expect to see. But he throws a really good ball. He's an impressive kid. You're right about the team. There's really good give and take between he and Jeffrey Simmons because Jeffrey Simmons knows that if they're to get to the promised land, it's going to be because of Cam Ward. I would expect that he'll be a good player. Now, the thing is, early in the season, they open at Denver, they're home to the Rams. Then week four, they're at Houston. You know, this could be a tough start simply because the Titans have some holes on their team that need to, you know, be dealt with and they may not be dealt with year one. So I think people are going to have to be a little patient simply because the team is not quite good enough at this point.
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Noah
Yeah, I agree. You know, I. Speaking of Denver, I saw where Bo Nicks, they do this Mike Sando does this quarterback tears thing where he talks to 15. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my only complaint was I said, you know, Bo Nix below tua, he's a better runner. He's healthier. I think he's got at least as good an arm, maybe better, but whatever. We don't know a ton about Bo Nix. When I saw him, when I saw him ranked 20th, my take was, it was telling me that executives in the league think very highly of Sean Payton, that he's squeezing every ounce of talent out of this. Do you believe the Bo Knick success is mostly at this point, Sean Payton?
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Devin
Well, you know, I've always struggled with that. Colin. There seems to be a sense that if a quarterback is coached with a really good coordinator and a really good scheme and a well designed system, that that's somehow a knock on the quarterback. I don't really understand that because that's kind of what the coach is supposed to do, you know. And I think that Bo Nix showed a lot last year with the kinds of throws that he made. I mean, he made a lot of big time throws between the numbers. He showed more arm strength, quite honestly, than I thought he had coming out of Oregon. I mean, you could make the same argument. You know, I've spent a lot of this offseason rewatching a lot of quarterbacks because I can really do that. I can watch 250 plays in a row, which I can't really do during the season. I've just done that with Jaden Daniels. And I think Cliff Kingsbury does an outstanding job with his route design. Really presenting clean, defined reads for Jaden Daniels. Is that a knock on Jaden Daniels? Are we supposed to say Jaden Daniels isn't very good because the offensive coordinator does a really good job with his route concepts? Are we supposed to say Jared Goff isn't any good because Ben Johnson's really good with his route spacing and cleanly defining reads? I mean, are we supposed to say Joe Montana wasn't any good because Bill Walsh was really good? You know, I think that's such a silly argument. I mean, that's what the offensive coordinator is supposed to do. He's supposed to present it so that ideally the first read is clean and then you work through progression concepts. So I don't really understand why that's a problem.
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Noah
So in that tier one through five that Mike Sando, athlete at the Athletic, did, there were a couple of quotes about Caleb Williams, and a defensive coordinator said it was alarming to watch his process. A head coach said it. That word was used more than once. So you have said that you love me. Stocky, he's strong, he's a power thrower. When you. When they say his process is alarming and you've watched the same film, what do they mean by that?
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Devin
Well, that means he's not seeing the field with the needed clarity. In other words, when you can see the route concepts. I've been doing this for a lot of years, Colin. As you know, there's not a thousand route concepts. So I see the route concepts versus specific coverages. And when you see it depends on the nature of the philosophy of an offense. There's a lot of different ways routes are taught. There's something called pure progression where you're not really worried about the defense. There's a primary, there's a secondary. When the quarterback drops back, he looks to the primary. If it's not there, it doesn't matter what the defense is. You just go to the next guy. Then there's other systems where you're actually reading the defense. You're reading whether it's single high or two shell, or you're reading a particular defender to decide where you throw the ball. So there's different ways that pass game is taught. But what they're saying about Williams is he's not seeing that particularly clearly at all. So throws that are there where the ball should be released, he's just not seeing it the right way. So he's holding the ball, he's not getting a clear picture. You know, the term that's always used is processing. He's not processing it the right way. And that's one reason why he holds the ball. The film shows that.
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Noah
But what's interesting is that it's always been my knock on Zach Wilson and Justin Fields and they've never gotten great at it. I mean, you can, you can absolutely make a quarterback more accurate. Not all Anthony Richardson has regressed, but there are things in. I don't care if it's broadcasting, I don't care if it's in any business. There are things that are solvable, but one of the ones that doesn't seem to be terribly solvable is he doesn't see the field well, like Mahomes.
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Devin
It's a great point.
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Noah
I don't know if that's solvable. You tell me somebody that didn't see the field and a year later did.
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Devin
Yeah, it's a great, it's a great point. And I would say the majority of coaches think that's tough to solve. And I'll answer it this way. You can help a quarterback in normal down and distance situations where you, the defense is a little more predictive in what they do. The probability and tendencies tend to favor the offense more than the defense. So you can help a quarterback with your play calling on first and 10, second and four, maybe third and three. But when you start getting into long yardage, pure pass situations, whether it's second and nine, third and nine, now the defense very often has the tactical advantage and the quarterback has to be able to see things really quickly and really clearly. And at some point, if that can't happen, then you're going to have a quarterback that's very inconsistent and erratic in his performance. And I don't think we could say 100% for sure that Caleb Williams can't do that. He's only going into his second year and he's with a brand new coordinator. I mean, Ben Johnson's essentially the coordinator. So we want to wait and see on that. But if that starts to show up more and more, then at some point you might say that that's not solvable.
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Noah
Yeah, you know, Patrick Mahomes wins a lot of games, but. And they're not going to go 11 and oh and one score games. But he didn't have a great year. He had bad games, he had bad halves, he had really bad series. He had a bad Super Bowl. Some of it was lack of offensive line competency. Sure. But when, when you looked at Mahomes Struggles last year, did he develop bad habits? Was he relying too much on certain things? Did he trust his own line? Patrick Mahomes didn't get poor, he didn't get bad, but he didn't play necessarily well. What did the film say on his regression? Not winning regression, but his mechanics or his performance?
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Devin
Well, it's funny you say that because every year, and I've had this conversation with people in Kansas City, every year he does go through that where he starts to lose his mechanics because that's sort of the way he naturally plays. Going back to Texas Tech, you know, he's that kind of player where he starts to drift, he starts to lose his mechanics and then they have to sort of reign him in and get him back on track. But last year, and I think because he just did not have confidence and he would never say this publicly because he's a class act, but I think because he just didn't feel comfortable with that O line, I think it took a little longer for him to get his mechanics back and he didn't play with the same precision throughout the course of the season that we normally see. But you're right, it's not as if he's suddenly not a good quarterback. It's just that he has to be reigned in at times. And I think the O line last year caused some issues for him, caused a lack of confidence, caused him not to play from the pocket with the same, and I'll use the word precision again, the same kind of precision that we've seen in the past. But it's not as if his traits or his talent level has dropped.
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Noah
Finally, we'll go back to one of the young guys, and this has kind of been a theory of mine for years, is that you would think, right, that the best quarterbacks in the NFL would all be from power schools. They are five star high school guys. They go to Texas, Bama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and then they all go to the NFL. But if you look at the history of the NFL, they've often gone to Cal and North Carolina State and Miami of Ohio and Texas Tech and Wyoming because that is preparing you for the NFL. Shaky O lines have to carry. Teams have to make quicker decisions. You don't get comfortable windows. So I do think as the rest of us go to college to prepare us for our work, it's the same in the NFL. You think Ohio State would be better for you, but you, you are very rarely in discomfort with Ohio State's receivers in O line. So when I Look at JJ, JJ McCarthy, he never threw 40 times a game. He always played with a lead. He had great protection. And I've said, I worry that it's like these Alabama quarterbacks. He's not ready for the NFL, then he gets hurt and that sets him back another year. So I do think the choice college kids make often doesn't necessarily. I mean, Matt Ryan goes to a school where he's got to throw guys open. He has to be anticipatory because nobody's wide open. What do you see with that? Is there anything about J.J. mcCarthy that you worry that he's just not quite ready for this life of somewhat duress and discomfort in the NFL?
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Devin
Yeah, and I'm not sure we know that. I mean, I think you and I would both agree that Kevin o' Connell is really, really good in terms of defining reads and throws for the quarterback. Look what he did with Sam Darnold last year. So, you know, that remains to be seen, but I imagine there'll be a learning curve for JJ McCarthy. Obviously in college he did not throw the ball a lot, but he's got a good arm, a plus arm, he's got mobility, he's got traits, He's a good sized kid. So there are traits that are there. I mean, even last year when he played in the first preseason game and then he was done for the year, I noticed an immediate difference in his drop and set in the pocket from when I watched him at Michigan. So I noticed. So obviously Kevin o' Connell, through the off season as a rookie really worked with him and really tightened him up in a lot of areas. So you have to assume that that continued. But now once you get into the regular season games, we'll see he'll be under a lot of pressure, there'll be duress. They've revamped their offensive line. That often takes time to come together. So we'll see. You never know the answer to that question then. It depends on how the games are played. Is he going to be in games where he has to drop back 40 times? Can the team be good enough, Colin, where he only has to drop back 25 times? You know, there are so many variables. It's not very often for a young quarterback. It's not solely dependent on the young quarterback. It's the way in which he. He's able to play based on the rest of the team.
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Noah
Yeah, I would argue he's got a top three left tackle, a top two receiver, and a top three offensive head coach. They revamped the O line and he may have. He may have the best defensive coordinator in the sport. So the truth is, before the season starts, he got the keys to a really nice car. He's not going to have to win by shootout. Yeah. Yeah. And like I always say with Brock Purdy, if you look at Brock Purdy in his first 21 starts when the team was younger and less expensive, boy, he was good. His last 15 starts he's, he's like 6 and 9 or 9 and 6 and his passer rating has dropped because now the Niners are old and they've had to let Hufango go and Green and the defense isn't as good and he has to throw more. So it like Brock Purdy's opening into the NFL was like Dax, there's a lot of comfort. Zeke O line was great. Dez Bryant was a touchdown machine. So I think JJ, here's my hunch, is that JJ McCarthy, like Brock Purdy, will be able to engineer a wildly smart and talented offense. They'll be good. I think when you draft him that high, you want great, but he should be at least capable. Is that right?
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Devin
But, but you make an interesting point. Is Brock Purdy's talent any different than it was a year, a year and a half ago? No. There's other factors that are involved. And with 99.9% of quarterbacks, those other factors often dictate, you know, how a quarterback plays or certainly how he's perceived. You know, he hasn't changed in his traits. It's just that there are other factors that impact how he plays and how, how the games turn out. And of course, all we do is look at wins and losses and then we decide that that's what a quarterback is.
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Noah
Right. Great stuff. Greg Cosell, as always, my man. Appreciate it.
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Devin
Thanks, Colin. Really appreciate it.
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Noah
Yeah, I mean, let's be honest about C.J. stroud's rookie year. He had Laramie Tunzel and they ended up hitting on a couple of mid round wide receivers. And he had Bobby Slow, who at the time was like a hot coordinator. And so generally rookie quarterbacks mean. Herbert had a great rookie season in terms of, he had Shane Steichen, you know, he had Keenan Allen. So you got it. For a rookie quarterback to work, you got to give him something. J.J. mcCarthy has a top two receiver, maybe number one, a top two, three left tackle, maybe number one, a top 2 or 3 offensive head coach. That is a huge benefit. That is a massive, massive benefit. Last year, Caleb had none of that. Left tackle was a swinging door coach was defensive. Keenan Allen was past his prime. DJ Moore was good, but he was on his back or running for his life. So JJ's got some of those Brock Purdy first starts gifts. He should be capable. I don't see great, but he should be capable. One more herd the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the I Heart Radio app Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco Show. Usually in these promos they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled.
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Devin
Whoa whoa whoa. What the hell are you doing in our studio?
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Noah
Get him Paulie. Ignore that fool.
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Devin
Listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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Noah
He's still moving.
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Noah
A foot washed up, a shoe with.
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Devin
Some bones in it.
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Noah
They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.
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Devin
He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.
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Manny
Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.
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Noah
Attention, passengers. The pilot is having an emergency, and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane.
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Manny
Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying, like, okay, pull this. Until this, pull that, turn this. It's just. I can do my eyes closed. I'm Manny.
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Noah
I'm Noah.
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Az Fudd
This is Devin.
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Manny
And on our new show, no Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.
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Noah
Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise.
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Manny
And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the Runway.
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Noah
I'm looking at this thing.
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Manny
See, listen to no Such Thing on the. The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Noah
Bills, Bears, Sunday on Fox. I can't. I can't wait for that jmac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news.
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Jay Mac
All right, we're finally talking about Brock Purdy again. Colin, one of my favorite players, not just in the NFL, in all of sports. He got his big contract. The former Mr. Irrelevant went on a podcast with Richard Sherman and talked about continuing to prove himself after getting paid.
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Noah
I've always felt, you know, this, like, you know, underdog kind of story. And that's been my story, man, from high school, college to the NFL. But for me, every single year, all that matters, man, is if, you know, I'm leading these guys in this locker room, in this building, in this organization, and they trust me here. That's all that matters. Everybody's gonna have something to say. That's the nature of the sport and that's fine. But I don't buy into or listen. If I were to listen to criticism and everything, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. I've had the chip on my shoulder and I go prove myself right every single year. And so that's just where I'm at.
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Jay Mac
Leadership, my friend.
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Noah
Very workable schedule.
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Jay Mac
Yeah. Can we talk about Brock for a moment? He just sounds like what you want your franchise quarterback to sound like, right?
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Noah
Yes. He's a good kid. Bright kid. Absolutely.
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Jay Mac
Almost senatorial, if you will. Well, measure. Remember, he doesn't shotgun beers on stage with the tight end. I like that take from you earlier.
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Noah
You, you have no. I mean he's a very good kid. This family probably thinks I don't like him. He is all NFL intangibles team. But you have made the argument that this schedule is just cinchy. So they go at Seattle's the opener. Then they have to go cross country. The Saints aren't any good, but it's cross country. Oh yeah.
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Jay Mac
That's tough.
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Noah
Oh yeah. Tyler Schultz. Then it's your surprise team in the NFL and you may be right. Arizona. There's Trevor Lawrence and the improved Jags offense. Oh, then you're Rams. Baker, Stafford. You've made this out. Oh, at CJ Stroud. And you've made this out to be cupcake city that first eight weeks. There's some Ls there baby if you're not ready to go.
- [31:27]
Jay Mac
You guys see what he's doing, right? Listen, I'm not going to get into it with you, but bottom line. Let me just to go back to Brock Purdy for a second. Colin, I love the mentality that he's a career. The guy just got $50 million a year, whatever the number is, and he's still treating it like an underdog. That's what I want from my quarterback. And you know, that's how I view myself. I see myself as an underdog. Step on the basketball court, step on this show. And I think that's a great mentality. Remember there was a decent basketball player named Michael Jordan who would continually pump himself up by telling him, hey man, I'm an underdog, I didn't make the JV team, blah blah blah. Like that's not a bad mentality to have.
- [32:05]
Noah
Colin. No, I, I, the, the, the intangibles for Brock are all pro. I'd like more. Tang does like Shador Sanders or a Bo Nicks. He moves better than people think. Garoppolo was a pure pocket guy. Brock can move. Brock can run.
- [32:21]
Jay Mac
Wait, can you let me just drill down. What are these tangibles that you want?
- [32:25]
Noah
No, I mean, I. Listen, I like my quarterbacks like I like my furniture. Hard to move. Big, stable and hard to move. That's what I like. Big, big coffee table, weighs 800 pounds. Can't move it. Oh. So I, I. But, but brain power, intangible coachability, movement. He does a great job. And he's. Is, is. I, I think you pushed me into a corner where I have to just say slow down. But he's a very solid B B plus quarterback. And, you know, now as the team's gotten old and McCaffrey's hurt and Trent Williams is. Noah's there, the numbers change. That's all I'm saying. Dakota, the numbers change when you don't have the best O line in the league. I'm just saying keep it score.
- [33:10]
Jay Mac
Colin is an elitist and a heightist when it comes to quarterbacks.
- [33:13]
Noah
I am a little bit.
- [33:15]
Jay Mac
Let's move on to Terry McLaurin, who is still holding out. Now, Colin, this is not great. According to an NFL insider, when negotiations started between McLaurin and the team, McLaurin's camp stunned the commander's front office with their contract ask and almost broke down the negotiations entirely. The insider adds that the way he understood it, McLaurin was looking for tier one wide receiver money. And by tier one, that means Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, Jamar Chase, that level money. Now, my first question to you is, where is this coming from? Who leaked this? Is this Washington? We've had enough with Terry. We're gonna put this out there so everybody knows. Is this coming from Washington? Because they've been negotiating for a while and I did not know it was this bad like you and I are honest.
- [34:01]
Noah
Well, I think he deserves.
- [34:03]
Jay Mac
He's not a CD Lamb guy. He's just not a cd.
- [34:05]
Noah
Listen, he's not Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson or CD Lamb, but he's better, more consistent than DK Metcalf. He's proven at this point to be consistently better than Garrett Will. Garrett Wilson. I would pay him kind of Amaran Saint Brown money. That's the kind of money I'd pay him. Which amber on St. Brown. 30 million large. That that's what he is. Which is he's not. He is a hardworking, highly productive, very mature, dependable, Pro bowl level wide receiver. He's not going to change your defense like Jamar Justin, CD Or AJ Brown. Like you don't have to roll coverage over all the time. You can put a good corner on him and feel somewhat, you know, okay, you can't single cover Justin Jefferson. You're going to get smoked. CD Lamb's a hard single cover, but I think, I do think in a position with a lot of immaturity and a lot of ego. He is a mature, reliable Amaran Saint Brown grown up and I would pay him 30 million and not worry at all about it.
- [35:09]
Jay Mac
Yeah, it sounds like he's gonna want a little more than that. 30 mil is 10 mil per year off of elite, not top tier receivers, which is what he wants now. Remember, he's 29, probably his last huge contract. And your quarterbacks on the rookie deal. I think you know what changes Washington is if somehow this screws up and goes sideways and they don't have him. Because without him, I'll tell you right now, Jaden, Jaden Daniels is going to struggle. They don't have the weapons behind him.
- [35:35]
Noah
Colin Jaden Daniels, as much as we love him, beat one playoff team last year, Philadelphia. And that's when Kenny Pickett took a majority of the snaps.
- [35:41]
Jay Mac
Thank you. Well, that's a good nugget. Final story is, again, I like this team a lot. We're going to be doing headlines and they're going to make an appearance. Cam Ward and the Titans. Colin, give it all to me. He's got great chemistry with Calvin Ridley as they showed in their last preseason game. And here's the first overall pick, Cam Ward. Believing Tennessee has the potential to be a high powered offense.
- [36:05]
Devin
I think we also have the ability.
- [36:07]
Noah
To be a top 10 offense.
- [36:08]
Devin
But also going, it goes on.
- [36:10]
Noah
Every guy in that huddle, including myself, bringing the right mindset every day and.
- [36:15]
Devin
Us also playing together, I think that's.
- [36:16]
Noah
The, the biggest things that we always play together. We never point fingers at each other on both sides of the ball and.
- [36:21]
Devin
We just gotta always have that mindset.
- [36:23]
Noah
That we can be the best offense in the NFL. And then it really just comes with just us caring about each other on.
- [36:30]
Az Fudd
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- [36:30]
Noah
And I think a lot of that stuff will translate to the game. You know, if you noticed something with Brock Purdy and Jalen Hurts and Cam Ward and Bo Nix, have you noticed something? There's almost two qualities you see with all of these young men who you've seen it with. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen Mahomes, humble and kind of obsessed and focused on football. You Ever notice that? So whenever I push back on a, you know, big personality quarterback and everybody freaks out, folks. Are you noticing a trend with all the young quarterbacks that they're not always the biggest? Cam Ward's not that big. Jalen Hurts is not that big. The guys that are football focused. C.J. stroud, Justin Herbert, Cam Ward, Jalen Hurts. Dak Prescott, early football focused and humble almost always. Those are two signs you've got the right guy. Football focused and humble. Will Levis came in, little bravado. Johnny Manziel. I mean it was my big knock on Baker Mayfield. Lot of bravado, bro. I don't mind if I see that in year six, year one, Cleveland, I don't want to see it. But when I watch Cam Ward, it's like this is what I saw with Jalen Hurts. This is what I saw with Justin Herbert. It's. This is what I saw with Lamar Jackson. Like Humble, always about the team, not talking about himself, always willing to say I've got to play better. Like all the stuff all. Brock Purdy deserves credit. Brock Purdy's about the team. It's not about me. There is a clear obsessed about football. Humble for that position are the two boxes you gotta check. You gotta get buy in from coaches and players. And you don't do it when you're.
- [38:18]
Jay Mac
Cocky and distracted and you see that image on the screen there, Cam Ward addressing what appears to be the entire team. I don't think it's just the offense. Colin, he walks in. He's the leader, he's the alpha. And like I know people want to mention Shador Sanders. That's fine. Shador can't do something like this because he's fourth on the depth chart.
- [38:36]
Noah
You just can't before we can like Shador. But he's a little distracted and he's a little unserious and legendary. Draft room and lack of self awareness. Cam right now is above Shador like a long leap ahead of Shador in the like maturity, like again, football addicted, obsessed with football and humble. I would not say those would describe Shadour at this point. That's absolutely Cam Ward. Everybody says the same thing. Humble, all in on football, all about football. All he talks about, thinks about and recreates with. It's football. Jay Mac of the news.
- [39:19]
Jay Mac
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
- [39:22]
Noah
The herd lie news I can't figure out. So though the NFL came out, Forbes magazine has come out for the NFL team's valuations and there is one team in this league. I never understand why they're always undervalued and we've talked about them a lot in the last few years. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app Time for a sofa upgrade?
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Noah
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Noah
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Manny
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Devin
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- [43:53]
Noah
This I, I have never been able to figure out team valuations. So Sportico, not Forbes. My bad. Sportico came out with a list of NFL team valuations. Now there, there's obviously the size of the city matters a lot. You know, number one was the Dallas Cowboys. They are kind of the Yankees. Although I, I tend to think America's team right now is the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City, San Francisco, and then Dallas. There was a time in my life I thought the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 70s were America's team. So for our radio audience, I'm not going to read all of them, but it goes like Cowboys, Rams, obviously. La Sofi Stadium is a magnificent facility. Giants, Patriots, Boston, San Francisco, Eagles, Dolphins, Jets, I get all of them. Here's what's amazing. Now, Chiefs are only 16 because the game day revenue, it's just a smaller market. I am always amazed at how overvalued the Dolphins are and I'll tell you why. It's a distracted market with the world's best beaches, arguably a transient market, and the average incomes are $55,000 per fan. So that's not a Lot of. That's not a lot of money for game day revenue. I've never understood that. It's a very distracted, transient market that doesn't necessarily always draw well. It's not a corporate hub. So when you look, this is why I don't get valuations. It's not a knock on Miami, but where is. Where are the Minnesota Vikings? They're not in the top half. It's a corporate hub. No competition from a beach or even a college football program to take, you know, money away or people away. It's not a highly transient market. They have the Vikings below. Tampa Bay, Green Bay, Miami. Has anybody ever been to Minnesota? It's like, got some of the highest, most educated people, highly corporate, good annual revenues. You're not distracted. Maybe the best stadium in the league. Every seat is taken. They have very good local, you know, radio revenues. I have never figured this out. Like, I lived in Tampa. It's not a corporate hub, meaning Minnesota can go to its corporations and sell tens of thousands of tickets and suites. You're not doing that in Tampa. When I lived in Tampa, there was only one Fortune 500 company. It was Raymond James, the investment bank or investment firm. So Tampa's not a corporate hub. Miami's bigger than Tampa in terms of corporate. And Miami's also exploding in terms of tech growth. But I mean, you're telling me Minnesota and the Titans are close. I don't understand it. Same thing in baseball. Everybody's always like, Minnesota is a small market team. Look at the corporations in Minnesota. It's right in the middle of the country, one of the. One of the best airports, and there's all sorts of corporate money there. Meaning there's a lot of executives, there's a lot of money. I don't get it. I just have never understood this. The Minnesota Vikings are essentially the Kansas City Chiefs without Mahomes. They've always been well run, always been well capitalized, had a lot of great coaches. I mean, my staff put this down. Just these alone, Target base there, General Mills, United Healthcare, they're all headquartered in Minneapolis. An average salary for fans. It's got to be one of the top 10 in the league. I don't get it. I don't get valuations. I do get Bo Nix, who was only ranked 20th among NFL execs in the Mike Sando Annual Athletic Poll. I asked Greg Cosell earlier, is he ranked 20th? Because executives in this league hold Sean Payton in such high regard.
- [47:49]
Devin
If a quarterback is well coached with a really good coordinator and a really good Scheme and a well designed system that's somehow a knock on the quarterback. I don't really understand that because that's kind of what the coach is supposed to do. You know I, and I think that Bo Nix showed a lot last year with the kinds of throws that he made. I mean he made a lot of big time throws between the numbers he showed more arm strength quite honestly than I thought he had coming out of Oregon.
- [48:19]
Noah
Yeah, yeah. I don't get the shade with Bo Nicks so but I, but I will tell you if Caleb Williams can play and again I showed, I'll show it at the top of the hour if you got 15% improvement with Caleb Williams it's a, it's. I mean the numbers will be he'll complete 71% of his throws but Bo Nicks can play. Drake May can absolutely play. Jaden Daniels is a star. I'm a strong believer in Michael Penix. I have my doubts on JJ McCarthy but he has such a strong support system in with the Vikings and o' Connell and the receiving corps we may have a six for six class of Caleb Williams can play a five for five or a six for six class. Cam Ward's going to work I don't know to what level he'll work and what's interesting next year is Cade Club Nick for Clemson is the real deal folks. He is big, he can move, he doesn't turn the ball over. He's really good five star high school kid been great at Clemson. Arch Manning complete Drew Aller can play to some level. We got three guys I absolutely believe are franchise quarterbacks. I, I don't know about the kid at South Carolina. I'm not quite sure about Nuss Meyer at LSU. Let's say they improve, they get 15 more starts and they improve and they become first round picks. That means like two out of the last three years we could have five to six first round level quarterbacks and I, I'm going to tell you when I watch the kid at Clemson I watch Arch Manning and Drew Aller there's a lot to like there is a ton and, and listen Bo Nix people had doubts on Bo Nicks can play, absolutely can play. Eric Mangini is going to join us last hour. Are you on the show tomorrow? J. Mac I'm off tomorrow. Are you on the show tomorrow? Are you doing it?
- [50:12]
Jay Mac
Oh yeah, firing for an hour. I was just cooking up some takes. There's, there's some interesting stuff out there. Quick note Cape club Nick six foot two and you know college measurements, they sometimes skew taller. Brock Purdy at the combine six one. So Club Nick probably checks in closer to Brock Purdy's height nuss. Meyer's also in that six one range. But can we go back to the valuations that you did? I was trying to draw a parallel between the Sportico top half of NFL valuations versus bottom half and you made a great point that like, why is Minnesota lower than like Atlanta? How are the Atlanta Falcons value?
- [50:52]
Noah
But Atlanta's got four and a half million people. It's a corporate hub. Delta, Coca Cola never been good.
- [50:57]
Jay Mac
I mean, if you're just going on corporate hubs.
- [50:59]
Noah
Well, no, that matters because I can charge six times as much in Minneapolis, you know, or Atlanta as I could maybe a Carolina. Although Carolina is a banking hub.
- [51:08]
Jay Mac
I mean, the Atlanta Hawks are there. Their valuation is garbage. In the NBA, I don't think there's.
- [51:12]
Noah
A direct Minnesota is home to 1515 Fortune 500 companies and you're telling me they're worth less than Tampa, Seattle, Vegas. But Seattle's at least a corporate hub.
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Manny
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Devin
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Manny
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Noah
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Manny
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Noah
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Devin
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Noah
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