B (8:25)

J. Mack's always showing off the guns. You're like six two, like. I mean, I think people would be intimidated by both you fellas, but go ahead, your point taken.

A (8:35)

My point is with Wemby, stats do not tell the story. He literally changes the geometry. He, he leads the NBA by 40 blocks, has missed multiple games, literally. Teams don't attack them. And so Luka's so bad defensively. I know it's an offensive. Wemby is so historically.

B (8:57)

Do you know it's an offensive league?

A (8:59)

Do you?

B (8:59)

Because you're telling me about. So I mean, is it though, is it an offensive league and is it an offensive award and are we changing the rules? Because everyone loves Wimby and nobody likes Luka. Just tell me.

A (9:12)

Because you can't be the worst defensive star in the league and win MVP when the greatest historical defensive player is also B on offense.

B (9:24)

Okay, so hold on. So here's my problem. I agree that the stats don't tell the story fully. On Wimby's defense. Wimby is the best defensive player in the league and one of already the highest defensive ceilings ever. Maybe en route to being the best defensive player ever. That is all objectively true. I do think for Wimby the stats do tell the story. On his offense. He's not Steph Curry in 2015, where his gravity is getting people open. He's 24 points, three assists a night on offense. He is a good but not yet great offensive player. I don't think he is yet one of the 10 best offensive players in the sport. Now one can argue being the 12th best offensive player and far and away the best defensive player makes you the best player in the sport. Like that is a legitimate argument. What is not a legitimate argument is that MVP has always equally weighed offense and defense while defense is half the game. Guys. Colin, at the end of the year we vote on the all NBA team, the 15 best players. And then as a sidebar, the all defense team. You know what? There's not the all offense team. You know why? Because they're like, yeah, that's the all NBA team. We have MVP and we have defensive player of the Year. You know what we don't have? Offensive player of the year. You know why? Because that's the mvp. That's what we can't all of a sudden say. Luka, who creates 55 points a game via points and assists and Wimby who creates 32 points per game via points and assists. That's a wash when it comes to the MVP race. When Steve Nash has two, Dirk has one, Step has two, Joker has three, James Harden has one, Russ has one. The MVP has never been 50% offense, 50% defense. And I know you were out of town luckily when Luca was lighting the league on fire.

A (11:39)

Yeah.

B (11:39)

But at some point you're going to have to come to terms with your Luca take is just. What's the word? Wrong. It's just wrong. He's a great, great, great, great, great player.

A (11:50)

Okay. I'm not disputing that. Let, let me say this. I said this last hour that be very careful of late season NBA winning streaks because nine teams are tanking and we kind of know the seeds. People know who can. So by the way, last year bucks went on an 8 gamer late in the season bounce first round Lakers went an 8 gamer late in the season, knocked off their shoes by Minnesota. Is that late season NBA winning streaks? Be careful because ultimately it's the only pro league of all of our pro leagues that's literally officiated differently in the playoffs. Is that what Detroit did last night? Detroit hasn't lost the Lakers in two years. Detroit's not going to be able to beat the really good teams without Kate Cunningham. But they did give a blueprint why the Lakers will struggle. Teams that get physical with the Lakers, even if they're totally limited offensively, give LA big trouble. Louisiana Is pretty. They're finesse, they're. They're gifted offensively, you push them around a little. A G league dropped.

B (12:58)

I totally disagree with you.

A (12:59)

A G league disagree with you on the Lakers last night.

B (13:03)

Well, listen, they are they they and this is a precarious spot to be in, but they are wildly reliant on Marcus, smart defensively and a player his age and his injury history, that is a precarious spot. But the idea that the way you're going to beat a team led by Luka Doncic who is a tank and LeBron James who is still one of the most physically imposing athletes in the league is by pushing them around. I just flatly disagree with you. I do agree all winning streaks are not created equal. But when you there are four teams in the west fighting for the three seed and Houston's one of them. And you won back to back games in their building. Denver's one of them. You beat them on the winning streak. You beat the Knicks. They played high quality opponents and beat them. The Lakers this year Colin have the best record in the league when leading. Entering the fourth they are undefeated. This is courtesy shout out. Brian Windhorst came up with this stat 30 times this year. They have had a big lead up 14 or more. They're 30 and oh so they haven't blown a big lead all year. They have the best record in clutch situations and the best record in one score games. I'm sorry, in single digit games. Games decided by between 1 and 9. That is a recipe of a real contender. Now do I have them on the same level as okc? Absolutely not. Have the spurs been better? Clearly. But the spurs starting lineup has Victor Wembanyama zero playoff games. Castle zero playoff games. Dylan Harper zero playoff games. De' Aaron Fox seven and then their one vet De' Aaron Fox has 71, the Lakers starting five. Every single one of the guys has been to what the NBA finals. Except for Austin Reaves. Marcus Smart's been to the finals, Ayton's been to the finals, Luke has been to the finals. LeBron's played 300 games. They're in the playoffs. There is a path for the Lakers to upsetting everyone's beloved precocious San Antonio spurs. And then we'll see what happens. I know everyone wants to give the title to to okc. We're on six years in a row. Colin of the defending champion looking unbeatable and the defending champion not even making the conference finals. Six champs in a row have lost in round one or round two. The Lakers are live. They're not my pick. I think Boston's going to win it and I think OKC is the best team. But the Lakers, much to your and Charles Barkley chagrin are live and you're just got. You just got to accept it. You have to accept it.

A (15:50)

Okay. All right. So I defended the Travis Kelce contract yesterday because you can't trust Rasheed Rice. Maturity worthy is a gadget guy. McColl Hardman, if he's, if he's still around, forget it. So no, he's gone. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the reality is Reid Mahomes, Travis Kelce, there's a lot of trust and I do think he's very good. Situationally I'm over. He's not a 90 catch guy and 12 touchdowns but he's good on third, he's good in the red zone. He's good situationally. There's a connective tissue tissue meld between him and Mahomes. He and connective tissue. But you gotta. Let's be honest here. Like the warriors, it is hard to let go of dynasties and the feeling. And he makes Mahomes comfortable. I don't know if he makes them an elite team in a division with the Chargers roster.

B (16:54)

Oh yeah, the terrifying Chargers. The Chargers who last won a playoff game with Philip Rivers. I got about the altar of your silly Chargers who every year either miss the playoffs in embarrassing fashion or make the playoffs and lose in even more embarrassing fashion. I don't want to hear about the Chargers. Now the Broncos, they were the 1 seed. They won 14 games. Bo Nicks played his ass off in that playoff game against Josh Allen. They got unlucky, broke his ankle. And I like the Jalen wad waddle edition. I didn't believe in the Broncos last year. Give him respect. They actually earned it. Unlike your Chargers which are born on third base. Think they hit a triple like you.

A (17:33)

Hate you.

B (17:33)

Everything about the Chargers is not something you would like. For some reason the Southern California air is infatuated with them for a decade now. To the Chiefs who listen, last year was a down year and now they've only been to five of the last eight Super Bowls instead of five of the last seven. The way it was the Kelsey deal. And this is not your guys fault. This is honestly NFL reportage fault. Three years, 54 million is not the deal. This is a one year $12 million deal. After next season, the fifth day of the league year, he is owed a $40 million check. You know what, I don't think he's going to get that check. It just called this. So his agents can be like we got him 18 million a year and the Chiefs can spread the money out. Is Travis Kelce even in a down year? Last year and the year before by any metric was a top five tight end at 12 million bucks. He, he is obviously worth it. Yes, he makes Patrick more comfortable. Yes, he is still a legitimate third down and red zone threat. And yes, the Chiefs need to do a lot of work to make sure last year was a blip rather than a trend. I know a lot of folks have been preying on the downfall of the Chiefs, including your beloved co host who four years in a row have said they're cooked. And finally he was right once and now he's taking a victory lap for six months. But hey, they Won six games. Such is life. Chiefs fans gotta eat it. But Vegas gives them the fourth best chance to win the super bowl and favors them to win the division. There's a reason for that. Patrick should be back at the beginning of the year. They finally have a running game. They have the ninth pick of the draft. I think Kelsey coming back is a bonus. And the downfall of the Chiefs has been a little over exaggerated by some, in my opinion.

A (19:31)

So I want to circle back. I want to end it with LeBron so LeBron hears everything I, you know he does. You know, it's the phone generation generation. Any criticism, you know, LeBron about a week ago during the winning streak is like, oh yeah, I heard the Lakers are better without me. I'm like, him? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (19:48)

He was talking to you. Did you apologize? I know you have a mute. Did you reach out to Maverick and say, Tell LeBron I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said it.

A (19:56)

Let's wait to the playoffs. I do think there's a reality in the postseason that if you have Luka and Austin reeves, that it LeBron last night didn't score in the first half. There are situations for, you know, at this point in his career he's not as consistent. And I do think in the playoffs Luka is going to get hunted. Austin's going to get hunted. That's what Detroit did last night with Luka and LeBron in his prime could protect him more. It's not who he is. You are the GM of the Lakers. You can build him a statue. What do you do? What do you. Knowing, knowing right now that defensively Luka is what he is and Austin is completely limited the roster outside of Marcus Smart is actually in dire need of youth. 3 and D catch and shoot. What do you do with LeBron?

B (20:53)

Listen, I don't think it's going to be up to the GM. I think it's going to be up to LeBron. I think LeBron, I believe this is his last year with the Lakers. Now if they were to make the Finals, which I'm not picking them to, I think they can. If they were to win the championship, obviously, then you probably screw it, run it back. I don't think either of those is the likely outcome. And I think LeBron, I have believed he's going to go to Cleveland. The James Harden thing might really throw a wrench in that. New York has always been attractive to him and a lot of folks seem to believe Golden State for him and Steph. One swan song at the end that it could be there. I don't think he'll be on the Lakers next year. But LeBron was absolutely, unequivocally correct in getting mad at you and your ilk for implying they're worse with him. Is it a clumsy fit? Sure. Is the fact that Luka modeled his game after LeBron James and now he is on a team with LeBron James, does that make them a little redundant? Obviously. Is it utterly remarkable to see LeBron in year 23, a year off being sixth in MVP voting, totally change his role in a way no other all time great perimeter player ever has? Okay, I will go to third option. I will be Swiss Army Knife lebron. I will expend more of my energy cutting to the basket and defending because I, Luke and Austin need the ball. Yeah, it's remarkable. But when you're the smartest player ever, the best leader ever, and one of the best connectors ever, you make things work as best as you can. So, yeah, I do think that there are better fits for him elsewhere and there are better players that could be playing that role for the Lakers. But the idea that you know what would be good for the Lakers? If LeBron pulled his hamstring and missed the playoffs, then they have to worry about it. That's always been ridiculous. Of course they're better with him than without him. And they're showing it by being the best team in the west for a month, which is what they've been with respect to okc.

A (23:13)

All right, well, I hope they can get past the Pacers. That's on deck.

B (23:16)

That's a. I mean, yeah, I mean they're going to about to win three straight again. They have Pacers, Nets, Wizards. By the way, bonus take Luka one more Tech, he gets a suspension.

A (23:26)

Yep.

B (23:27)

At the tail end of tonight's blowout against the Pacer or tomorrow's blowout, he should intentionally get a Tech so he misses one of these tankers and then he can reset the clock. They're going to be the three seed. They're going to get Houston in round one when they're up three one. You're going to lead your show killing Kevin Durant. We're going to get ready for a LeBron Wimby round two. I can't wait. I missed you. I haven't talked to you in a while.

A (23:51)

Great to see you, buddy, as always.

B (23:53)

Yeah, you too.

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I'm going to address it at the end of this hour that Darren Peterson going number one. When you have red flags, I'm going to go to basketball and football. If you're going to be a number one pick and there's a major red flag, I think there's an argument you should not be a number one pick. You know Ben Simmons, Jameis Winston, Bryce Young. You can go back to number one picks. Maturity, size, not a great athlete. We'll talk about that coming up. J Mac with the news.

B (28:41)

No, no, no, turn on the news.

C (28:44)

This is the Herd line news. All right, Colin, we got to talk about LeBron briefly. He had a rough first half last night. He looked tired for the first time in a while. He looked his age, 41. Didn't score in the first half, came on strong in the second half. And the Lakers ultimately lost. But of course, because it's LeBron, the Lakers are hot. We've got a report. There is report no way that LeBron returns to the Lakers next season. And the Cavs and Warriors are the most likely landing spots for Him. That's according to Sam Amick. Read into that what you will. Here's my.

A (29:19)

Been around for a long time. So he is basically reporting. There's no way he's a Laker, which I believe with a new Lakers ownership, I believe that to be true.

C (29:28)

How can you say no way? Like other things could happen. LeBron takes less money. The Lakers get Giannis, they don't give up Austin Reeves.

A (29:35)

A million things LeBron's history has told you he's not taking less money. People's resume tells you that LeBron's not taking a massive pay cut. That's not what he's going to do.

C (29:47)

You think he's going to try to get 15 client.

A (29:49)

Never going to take. He never took a big pay cut.

C (29:52)

Well, financially he can't go to the Cavs then. Or the Warriors. They can't afford him.

A (29:57)

That's right.

C (29:57)

I mean, so he's going to retire. That's why this stuff, it's. It's a little annoying to have to read this, but you know, they got. We're talking about on the show. It's on all the radio, social media, TV. It's interesting. I don't see if LeBron wants to play Colin. His only path is taking a major pay cut.

A (30:16)

Okay.

C (30:16)

And that's not bad. He's going to be 42 years old.

A (30:21)

Yeah, I'm just, I'm just telling you, this new Laker ownership group, they let go of Scott Seeger and Cody Bellinger.

C (30:30)

Those guys are not LeBron James. They're not even close.

A (30:34)

Corey Seeger. Excuse me, Trey Turner. I'm not saying they are, but what I'm saying is they let go of elite all star level players in their prime. LeBron is 41.

B (30:48)

He's.

A (30:49)

He is the third best offensive option on the team. They're not gonna pay him a fortune. They're not gonna do it.

C (30:55)

No, definitely not. Yeah, well, we'll see. It's gonna be a fun off season. Listen, man, this summer, Colin, with the LeBron World cup, you know, NBA Finals with the Spurs, Knicks, if they get there. I, I cannot wait. All right, let's move on to the NFL, Colin. And that JSN record setting contract you took, the Pickens angle. How about this one?

A (31:14)

What.

C (31:14)

What's going on with Puka, Nakua and the Rams? You could argue Puka is the best wide receiver in the league. Reports indicate Rams are in no rush to get a deal done with Puka. Yeah, with Mike Garofalo of NFL Network reporting, he expects it to be a while before there's an extension.

A (31:31)

Yes.

C (31:32)

Garofalo added, it's a different situation than jsn.

A (31:36)

Yep.

C (31:37)

Because of how many players the Rams need to pay.

A (31:42)

That's part of it. And also the Rams have been disappointed by sometimes his lack of maturity. Yeah, he gets banged up, he steps in it. I, I mean, if devonte Adams was in his prime, it would be different because Devonte is what, 33. So they're going to address their wide receiver needs very early. But JSN is different than Fuka. He doesn't get banged up. And you have no questions about maturity. Gets along great with coaches, doesn't step in it. Listen, that wide receiver position, we have a history of, you know, can be more difficult personalities. I think Puka is a great player and I don't think he's a bad guy, but he got into some trouble this season. And that the Rams like their players to hide from the media. They'll promote them and market them. I mean, they really marketed and promoted Stafford this year, and Stafford would pound the table for him. But they're, they're gonna, they're gonna let, they're gonna watch and monitor Puka physically and emotionally this year, in my opinion, before they write the check.

C (32:45)

Yeah. So he is. Let's see here. He's only 24. Turns 25 next month. And, you know, I know you said he stepped in it a little this year. He also had a career high in receptions, 1700 yards. I mean, he led the league in receptions.

A (32:59)

I'm sorry. He's a great player.

C (33:01)

I mean, the Seahawks could not stop him. Do you remember that Thursday night game? Might have been 200 yards. I forgot. But, like, you're right, something's going on now as a. Let's see, here's a fifth round pick, I believe. Yeah.

A (33:14)

I mean, there's, there's, there's an argument. There's never been a skill player in league history that provided more production and got paid less than Puka Nakua.

C (33:25)

His value was unbelievable as a fifth round pick. Is he, at $40 million a year, as valuable? I mean, we went through the wide receivers. The highest paid, Colin. I think none of those guys made the playoffs or something like that or didn't win a game or something. It's ugly. And again, paying these guys a lot, I would not be shocked. Yeah. Let's go down the list real quick. Jamar Chase? No. Jefferson?

A (33:47)

No.

C (33:47)

Lamb? No. Metcalf. They did make the playoffs. Garrett Wilson clearly did not. Scary. Terry. No. A.J. brown did did the Lions make the playoffs? I don't spacing. No, they did not. And Iuk was injured. So you go ahead and pay the guy, he's awesome. But just know that you could end up on this list next year with a high paid receiver and not even in the postseason.

A (34:11)

Now the good news for the Rams, they have hit on so many defensive players that they can go out and pay Trent McDuffie. Their, their offense, they've got one tight end that's expensive. You know, the running back. Kyron Williams now makes real money. Devonte Adams makes money. Stafford makes a fortune. So, you know, it's one of these things. If you draft well, then the Puka contract is. They're more amenable to it. So that's part of it too.

C (34:37)

It definitely feels like a last dance situation for the Rams. The final story, Colin is Max Crosby is back in Vegas after the quick trip to Baltimore where he thought he was going to be a Raven. And multiple reports claim Max is no longer trying to get out of Vegas. He obviously put that on social media. However, it's now come out that the Ravens backed out of the Crosby deal, allegedly due to a degenerative issue in Max's knee. Now, Mark Slayer was on the show last week and he said everybody who's played in the trenches in the NFL has degenerative knee issues. Like it's normal. This is really an interesting situation. Colin, do you still try to move Max?

A (35:22)

No.

C (35:23)

Because he initially wanted out.

A (35:24)

Or do you say so many draft picks. They've got a whole new staff. They're going to be the youngest team in the league over the next two years. They have so many draft picks. Who are their veteran leaders? One, Max Crosby. Like, I didn't, I said from the beginning I wouldn't move him again. It'd be one thing if you had so many mouths to feed. If they hit on. I mean, they've got, literally, I mean, they've got so many picks. I mean, they got like three or four fours and threes and twos and they don't, they don't have any veteran leadership. Colton Miller, who was hurt last year, left tackle Max Crosby and a bunch of kids. I would not move him.

C (36:04)

So is Max gonna sit in front of the team and be like, I'm the leader?

A (36:07)

Yeah, bro.

C (36:08)

You just said you want. You demanded a trade two months ago. What are you talking about? Glazer reported it multiple people, and then he's like, get me out of here. I mean, is that leadership?

A (36:20)

I think Max is viewed as a leader was. They have 10 draft picks. They're gonna get young real fast. They need a leader.

C (36:27)

Fernando Mendoza is a leader.

A (36:29)

Yeah, he is. And he's also 23J. Mac of the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie news. You know, everybody's afraid to say this. Maybe Darren Peterson of Kansas shouldn't go number one. I. I gotta be honest with you. So I went back. We went back to number one picks. We're gonna do this next NFL and NBA number one picks that had a major red flag. You shouldn't draft Aaron Peterson number one. We'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific Security usually means extra steps and complications, but with Apple Pay Secure payments are simple. Your transactions are authenticated with face id, touch ID or passcode, so security is built in when you check out. Plus, your name isn't shared with merchants and they don't see your actual card number. Whether you're shopping in store, online or an app, protecting your money should be simple. Pay the Apple way. Terms apply Craving Bold, authentic taste without kitchen chaos. True nature meets Hawaiian Kahlua. Pork delivers slow roasted tenderness with smoky tropical notes. Pre cooked perfection. 30 years supplying the finest restaurants. Chances are you've already had their pork heat in 2 minutes. Shred for plates or bowls. Complaints turn to second helpings and laughter. Real meat. Real flavor. Go to TrueNatureMeats.com code free meat for 20% off plus free New York strip Texas smoked brisket and Mediterranean chicken with Code free meat@truenaturemeats.com Support for the show comes from public, so it kind of feels like there's two types of investing platforms. You got the old school brokerages that look like they were designed in like 1995. Then you have those other platforms, the ones that feel less like investing and more like a casino. Public is neither. It's the investing platform for people who actually take this stuff seriously. You know, people who are serious about building their wealth. Because on public, you can build a portfolio of stocks and options and bonds and crypto without all the bugs or the confetti. Retirement accounts? Yep. High yield cash. Of course. They even have direct indexing. Honestly, this is what investing platform should look like. Modern design, simple to use, and customer support that actually cares. Go to public.comcowherd and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.comcalhurt ad paid for by Public

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Why?

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I mean, Luka, by the way, is a good time. Guys like Luka, Luka's funny. Lukas. Luka's ready to hoist a beer at any one point, open a pack of smokes. But Luke is also a great passer. That elevates others, by the way, Kobe could be a little bit of a loner. Was difficult. Kobe didn't necessarily elevate others. Michael Jordan, you know, he's just. He's just the greatest offensive player I've ever seen, so maybe that doesn't count. But a lot of the. A lot of the guys that elevate others, it starts with the personality. It starts with. They just ingratiate themselves. This kid's like, I'm a loner. They were 9 and 2 without him. Worse winning percentage with him. There's durability issues. That's a lot of red flags. And I'll just give it. Now, you can have red flags, but if you're a number one in a loaded draft, it worries me. I said this, I think yesterday it would keep me up at night as a gm. So let's go to the NFL. Bryce Young, number one pick, major red flag. He's undersized. Jameis Winston, reckless. Sam Bradford, college injuries. Jamarcus Russell, immature. In fact, the Lions basically called Matt Millen, called Al Davis and said, don't pick him. Number one. David Carr, didn't play elite competition in only one huge year. Tim Couch, kind of a gunslinger. Not real mobile, limited athletically. Kajana Carter, medical issues. Jeff George, maturity. Well, they all. All of those have been true. You go to basketball. Number one picks. Zachariah Ricochet, Atlanta. What did they say? Not really an elite athlete. Well, he's not. Deandre Ayton, at Arizona, they were, like, not engaged at all. Defensively, a lopsided player. Well, not a leader. Markel Foltz, where do I start? Ben Simmons, can't shoot. Anthony Bennett, you know, undersized power forward, played crappy competition. Greg Odin, not a polished offensive game. Kwame Brown, he's a high schooler. Michael Oluwakandi, again, you know, bad competition. He went to Pacific. They all. They all became that. They all played themselves out. So, I mean, again, I'm not saying Darren Peterson won't be a good NBA player, but if you're a number one pick LeBron AD WEMBY. There's no red flags. I mean my concern about Wemby is he's so tall. Like honestly, as a body built to be 7 4. Can he stay healthy? You fall to the floor when you're 7 4. It's a little different than 6 4. But I mean, Peterson, I got durability stuff. He kind of plays in a silo. He's kind of a loner. I don't know, it seems like a decent guy and Bill Self likes him. But the red flags almost always bear themselves out, you know, Peyton Manning, number one pick. There weren't a lot of red flags. You know, wasn't Aiden Hutchinson a number one pick if I recall? Was he or. No, he wasn't. He's been great for Detroit. I don't, I don't remember. I guess Aiden wasn't a number one pick.

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Colin, can I bring up a number?

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He was number two.

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What's that to compare to Darren Peterson? So I don't know if you remember the Anthony Edwards draft. It was like lamelo ball, James Wiseman, Anthony Edwards. And there was this Anthony Edwards, doesn't love basketball narratives. He went to Georgia, put up some empty stats, shot like 29% from three. But he loved football. That was his love.

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Yeah.

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And people shied off Anthony Edwards and he fell to Minnesota five years later. Is Anthony Edwards like going to be the face of the NBA? Like, I think we need to chill a little bit.

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Well, time out. No, no. Ant Edwards, nobody questioned his durability, his athletic ability, his town. There were no red flags. I thought it was kind of a weak red flag. He may like football more than basketball. That wasn't what you call a saying.

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The right things at the time to the draft lead up to the draft.

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18, 19 year old kids don't always

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say, I agree, I totally agree.

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And Edwards didn't have major red flags.

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Not major.

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That was a terrible draft. And by the way, the guy with red flags, Lonzo, wasn't it Lonzo Ball?

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Well, it was Lamelo ball.

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Silly, goofy, not going to play defense, a showboat.

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Six years later. He's awesome. And they're going to.

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Six years later he's not the best player on his team. The rookie from Duke is.

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That's true, that's true. But I mean this Peterson stuff, are we calling them major red flags or just red flags? Major is like, hey man, he's in trouble with the law.

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He missed 11 games.

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He did, yeah. He had some problem. He had some cramping issues. That I think his camp was nervous about. And they were like, hey, slow down, we got the NBA.

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I think there's, I think there are, I think durability issues.

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So how far do you think he falls? Like I understand.

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Not number one.

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I would agree, I would go.

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Darius Acuff is unbelievable explosive. Now people say, well, Darius Acoff doesn't play defense. That's not a huge concern for a 62 guy. When Deandre Ayden came out, Deandre Ayton was at Arizona. He's a big. Yeah, he should be a rim protector. People like, he doesn't even like defense. He's moody. Those are red flags. A 62 guard that doesn't defend well, that's not a red flag. That's a six. Two guys in the NBA, Chris Paul's an exception, generally aren't great defensive players. It's a big man's game. So to me, what do I consider? I guess what you're asking, what is a red flag? Okay, durability. Huge red flag.

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How do we know durability for a 19 year old. Like he was after the issues early in the season. He was healthy the last month and change two months or whatever and put up good numbers. He was outstanding against St. John's brought him back.

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He did not take over the game against St. John's well, he kind of brought.

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They were down seven and he ended up tying it up. He was good. He was really good. And he was a one man show because the rest of that team was putrid. I don't know. You're making it sound like I don't know if you take him top five.

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Are you saying no? No, I'm just saying. I just gave you NFL college number one pick. If you get red flags. Chris, listen, Chris Broussard who's talking to NBA people. Rossillo, Ryan Rossillo basically had Talked to a GMs like, I'm not taking him number one. Durability is a huge red flag. They were better 9 and 2 when he didn't play.

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Did not play.

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Yeah, well, timeout. That's not the way it should work. That's why I say when Jokic doesn't play for Denver, like they're not good. Like there, there are, there are players who kind of play in a silo, play for themselves. There's, there's an. He's got a little bit of a Kawhi thing where like Kawhi, kind of a loner, doesn't necessarily elevate others, but is a great shot maker and get a Stop guy. So Kawhi is a great player, but Kawhi, there was some, he was a little, you know, he was a kind of, he's kind of an odd guy and I think so. I think Kawhi is great. But I think all the concerns early about you can't really, he's not a franchise guy. He doesn't have the personality. You can't depend on him. There's durability issues. I mean, Kawhi Leonard's a great example. If Kawhi didn't have a durability issue even with his odd personality, we'd be talking about one of the 10 best players we've ever seen. You just don't know when he's going to play. He's an un. He is in my opinion the closest thing to kind of Jordan in terms of hand size, defensive man pressure, the ability to get a mid range jumper. Kawhi is an insane talent. But personality off putting, durability, major red flag. Yeah. And they bear themselves out. Here's, here's Bruce Sard on Darren Peterson.

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Peterson's obviously got a bright future, but

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the red flags are glaring.

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Colin.

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Like just missing so many games for

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bizarre or hidden reasons, I hesitate to overreact to one tournament game. But look, he'll be a top five pick without question and he should. But there are some other guys that I don't have the same reservations about.

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He did not have a single assist against St. John.

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That is a, that's a, he doesn't,

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he doesn't, he doesn't play well with others. He, he plays for himself. Yeah. And I, you know, there's a, I'm telling you, man, this, this Acuff kid is special. Yeah. Whether you want to maximize your performance or form healthier habits this year, knowing what your body needs can help put you on the right path. With Quest, you can buy your own lab tests online@questhealth.com no doctor visit required for purchase. Quest has a huge selection of tests including the new Elite Health Profile, a panel made for men and women and tracks 85 plus health markers affecting the heart, liver, kidneys, hormones, metabolism and immune system, delivering a ton of insights in one snapshot. For a limited time, save on select lab tests@questhealth.com with code herd10. That's herd10 at checkout. Terms apply. Imagine never buying gas again. EVs are as easy to charge as your phone and perfect for everyday life. Drive daily with confidence everywhere you go. Most Americans drive 40 miles a day. Most EVs are equipped with 200 to 400 miles of range, they've got fewer parts, fewer repairs and fewer headaches. With hundreds of new and used EV models available today, there's an EV to fit every lifestyle and every budget. I love my electric vehicle. It's easy. No more gas stations. The way forward is electric. Learn more@electric for all.org think Verizon is expensive? Think again. Anyone can bring their AT and T or T Mobile bill to a Verizon store today and we'll give you a better deal. So bring us your bill. Walking, running, pogo sticking, Teleport. If you can ride on the back of a rollerblading yak or flyin on the wings of a majestic falcon. Any way you can bring your AT and T or T Mobile bill to a Verizon store today and we'll give you a better deal on the Best network based on RouteMetric's best overall mobile network performance US 2nd half 2025 all rights preserved Must provide very recent postpaid consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply. Wasabi is purpose built to free your business from skyrocketing storage costs and fees from the big guys. Wasabi is the go to provider for professional and collegiate sports teams around the world. Check out Wasabi's AI enabled intelligent media storage. Wasabi Air to the industry's only cloud storage service with triple protection against cybercriminals. Wasabi driving innovation in data storage for up to 80% less than the other guys. Try for free at wasabi.com, wasabi Hot Cloud Storage proud partner of the Volume Podcast Network, T Mobile has the best plan on the best network. Just ask Kevin Bacon. Today, business happens virtually everywhere. That's why you need Super Super Mobile from T Mobile the best plan on the best network letting you run your

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