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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Colin's Blazing 5 NFL picks, the best QBs from the 2024 draft, Mike Sando
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Not the pros. The favorites crushed. I've been on this for a few years now that the bottom of the NFL is looking like the bottom of the NBA is that it's not watchable and it's not competitive. That was never the case years ago. But as the league has become more quarterback dependent, that means offensive lines and quarterbacks and offensive coaches have a greater impact. We're seeing ugly spreads and favorites are holding serve a lot. And this week, again, I like a lot of favorites. It's a dead last week early games I took road favorites. I went two and oh on those and I thought these are bad picks. They worked out. So here we go. Here's this week's Blazing five. That's a hot one. Let's blaze it up. Fire it up. It's Collins. Blazing fire Falcons and Colts I like the colts in Berlin -5 and a half. Don't overreact to the Steelers loss. They lead the NFL at 6.3 yards of play. They haven't lost. If Jonathan Taylor just rushes for 90 yards they have the number two total offense. And Daniel Jones on the road had a stinker five turnovers against Pittsburgh. Even good quarterbacks have bad weekends. I love the Colts. I love what sauce Gardner does to the locker room. The Falcons are on a three game losing streak. They've been outgained in all of their games. They are the worst third down team over the last two games. So they are regressing. I think it's a bounce back for the Colts. I like Indy here. Atlanta struggling to score, Indy to win and cover. 33:24 Ravens and Vikings I'm going to take the Ravens coming off extra rest averaging 32 a game when Lamar plays. I don't know if you've noticed this. Lamar's having an unbelievable year. He'd be the MVP if he'd been healthy. And the defense in three straight games now healthy holding people under 20 points. Lamar is averaging 73 completion percentage this year and a 137 passer rating. He's on fire. The Vikings have been out gained in back to back games including the win over Detroit and they're allowing 30 a game in their last three games. So again a regressing Minnesota defense which is on the field too long. LaMar owns the NFC Ravens win and the Ravens cover. It's an urgent week for Baltimore and next week and the week after 30 to 20 be more Patriots and Buccaneers. I like the Bucks minus two and a half coming off a bye and their right tackle returns. Their last two wins have been by double digits. They're a very good home team. 28 a game at home, getting slightly healthier. My concern though is the Patriots who have played the easiest schedule in the league and I think we're a little hot on a young New England team. Drake May is getting sacked at an alarming rate. Watch out Todd Bowles. J Mac knows this. He dials up the blitzes, he and Brian Flores as well as anybody. So since week seven Drake May is under duress. I like the Bucks at home to win and cover. 27:23 Lions at Commanders I don't think I've ever taken four straight favorites. I'm gonna take the Lions. Do not panic over the Minnesota loss. They had more yards. They were better on third and fourth, better time of possession. They've won two of their last three road games and they were really last week in division kind of pushed around. When good teams get pushed around, it's an angry, focused week of practice and they are getting to the quarterback second in sacks only behind Denver Commanders. Four game losing streak. No Juice just lost Jaden Daniels and they only pressured Sam Darnold on three of 24 drop backs. That's brutal. So Jared Goff is going to have time to throw those interior O line injuries have mostly been cleaned up. I like the Lions to win. I like another favorite here. 3321 comfortably. Steelers at Chargers. I'm going to take the underdog Steelers plus three. They're four. And oh, this year when they hold their opponents under 30, well, the Chargers don't have either Tackle Becton's hurt as well. They have four key O line injuries. Aaron Rodgers, 100 plus passer rating in four or five games. He's found his rhythm. They really held Jonathan Taylor in check. So the Chargers are going to need to throw the ball to win here. I don't think they'll run and be overly dynamic running and I don't trust this O line. Justin Herbert's got one plus picks and three straight games because he's rushed. So I think the Steelers defense against the Colts last week they pushed around that old line and nobody had all year. I'm gonna take the underdog Steelers. SOFI is going to be 60, 40 Steeler fans. Not a home field advantage. Maybe 70, 30 Steeler fans. I got an upset. 24:23 Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers walk out with a narrow win. I don't like a lot of favorites. I do this week. J Mac use restraint when bashing my picks.
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No, no, I actually am with you on a lot of these. I would just be careful with that Bucs game. Everybody likes Tampa. Christian Gonzalez a go. Christian Gonzalez vs. Buka should be fun. Overall, I don't hate the pixel.
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I mean, you're hot.
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What can I say? You know, when you're hot.
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Not last week. Mike Sandoz, an NFL writer for the athletic selector for the Pro Football hall of Fame. So you know, I was, I said this great senior Mike, I watch Bo Nix and he has regressed badly and for young quarterbacks, the development is never linear. They have bad stretches, bad games. They can lose a coordinator. So I understand that. But there are, I think he looks nervous. I think there's. He's trying to please Sean Payton. Sean Payton's then overcompensating, overcompensating on, on trying to help him. The rhythm is off. I don't know. Like I. Something feels off and wrong. Mike, what do you hear and what do you see with that?
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Yeah, I agree. Now I do think one of the warnings you get from veteran coaches is, hey, that second year can be tough, right? People adjust to you. They got the film on. He had some success last year. So you're probably getting people's plan a little bit more. I think so much of him has been, you know, he's a little bit of an off schedule quarterback sometimes. So, you know, we're dealing with that in a lot of markets where, where's the consistency when a big part of your game is moving around? And sometimes when you come into the league early, moving around actually helps you, you know, you survive. But it's not sustainable. We see Arizona's changing to, changing away from Kyler Murray because they feel like their offense is going to be more consistent. Even with a backup type quarterback like Jacoby Brissette, they can run their offense. So I think there's some of that. You would think that, you know, Sean Payton would be the perfect person to get the best out of him. But this has to be the least impressive seven game winning streak that we've ever seen. It's like, how have they done it? It's. It does not look sustainable at all.
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Yeah. So let's go to Caleb Williams. I had said this earlier, sometimes we zero in on stuff and we don't take a step back. And if I think most Bear fans, even Ben Johnson, if you have said, listen through eight weeks, you lead the NFL in big plays, you're fourth in yards per play and you have a winning record. I think Ben Johnson would have said, I'm signing up for that based on last year. But if you watch every play and if you listen to Chicago Sports Radio, there's a lot of anxiety. It might take his folks. There's a lot of the dynamic stuff is landing. Where are you on Caleb and Ben and that relationship?
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Well, the thing I look at is he's on a historic high average time to throw or sack, 3.6 seconds per play. That's not where it's at for Ben Johnson. So I think it's A stressful way for him to play. I give them credit. I think that it's, you know, look, this could have been a disaster, possibly, or we could be talking about every week like it's not working. I don't think we're doing that. But when I. When you talk about the long term sustainability and really maximizing this player in this system, I still have those question marks. Although I will say that, hey, the sacks, you know, is not the story every week. And he's not killing the. Killing it that way, so. And his completion percentage has not fallen way off. It's about the same. It's kind of interesting to me that he's like avoiding sacks, holding the ball forever completely. Not like he's throwing them all away. So it's kind of working. I just, I still need to see long term, you know, how if there's going to be a lot of growth or is it. I think there's still a lot of inconsistency there.
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Yeah. You know, it's interesting, Mike, he's never thrown picks, high school, college pros. He doesn't throw picks. So he holds the ball. And I think that psychology within him is, listen, I'm not going to throw a pick. I'll hold it a little longer because I can escape, I can move my feet. So he doesn't get you in a lot of trouble. There's not a ton of three and outs. He doesn't throw a lot of picks. It's just to your point, the rhythm is off. The operational part of it's a little clunky. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to look at this too, because I think one of the fears even. I knew a couple of guys, you know, in the scouting realm who had some concerns about him being off schedule to the point that you're playing behind the sticks a fair amount, you know, and I think like for Seattle when they had Russell, Russell Wilson, that worked for a while because he was a magician. I mean, he was. The positives were so amazing and pretty early in his career downfield throws, the accuracy, he made it work. In fact, once his legs went, he couldn't do it anymore. And I haven't necessarily seen that enough. Consistent upside. I do think it's amazing that the explosive play thing. So that's positive. I think I'm generally, I feel better about it now than I did the day after that big article came out saying, is it going to be a disaster? Remember that, you know, everybody hated Caleb Williams that was there last year. So I feel better. I Feel better about it now than I could have, but still probably need to see more.
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Yeah.
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Listen, the J.J. mcCarthy thing I said before, I. I love all the ingredients. I love the coach, the left tackle, the receivers. I like the organization. I don't know if we have the right chef. I don't. J.J. mcCarthy thing, I didn't love him out of Michigan. I didn't see a wow trait. I'm always so reluctant to embrace this term. He's a winner. Danny Warfel was a winner. That doesn't mean anything to me. You got to give me traits, size, arm movement. Boy, if you. If you start taking out his two best quarters, his passer ratings, 37. Now, the next four weeks, it's Lamar, it's Darnold, it's Jordan. Love. So the truth is going to come out here. What do you see and what do you hear on J.J. mcCarthy?
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Well, it's nice to see something that he actually played the game. You know, I think that's been the biggest problem, is he hasn't been out there. And I think, you know, some of those concerns that were sort of boiling underneath the surface about, you know, is he ready to lead the team and all of that, I mean, that just grew until he could finally play. So I have not been overly impressed. I love the end of the game against Detroit. I mean, throwing a back shoulder ball more than 15 yards down the field to ice the game is not typically done in those situations. So I thought that was a nice vote of confidence. But he had 14 completions. Some of the other stuff, the alter ego stuff, like, to me, you got to play well for a while before I stop thinking that's kind of corny. You know what I mean? Like, we gotta. Like, there's too much of that. I felt like there's been too much effort by the organization and the people around him to make it seem like it's like they're excited about it. Didn't you sense that offseason?
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Yes. Yes.
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Oh, this guy. It's been like a campaign to convince us, and I just want to see it. And I'm not buying it until I see more of it. That's just kind of where I'm at.
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Yeah. So the AFC playoff picture, I told the staff this morning, I don't buy it. I'm sorry. Literally, Denver is a number one seed and leads the NFL in three and outs and punts. It's not going to last. I look at it and I said, I'm still going. Mahomes, Lamar, Josh, Allen. I don't care. I look at it right now. Here it is right now. I told them Jacksonville's not making it, Kansas City is and they'll beat the Colts. The Chargers don't have the, they don't have their tackles. Nobody loves Harbaugh more than me and Herbert. They're not making it. Put Baltimore in there. They're beating Drake May and I'll take Buffalo over whoever. But I, I look at the AFC playoff picture right now, there's no way that's what it is in two months. Right?
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Totally. I did my pick six column on Monday restacking the AFC and I put them in two buckets. The consensus favorites before the year, Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore have those three teams have the worst record to this point in the season. They're like 14, 11 than they've had since like Josh was a rookie and Lavar was not even a starter. Right. So it's totally different in terms of what their record is. But it would have to get a lot worse for me to come off of those teams. Like Baltimore is only three and five. It's like they're one in the five anymore. So I'm with you totally. I don't think a lot has changed now. I do understand, though, I'll say this. I think there's enough of an opening for a team like an Indy to actually think we have a chance and let's make a push. Right. I think that's so it's different. We don't feel like any one of those teams is necessarily consistently great or unbeatable at the top.
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Yeah. You know, there were stories out there that Tom Brady was not hot on Sam Darnold and there were stories that they wanted Matt Stafford, but Matt, Matt wanted to stay in la and it was a smart choice. Yeah. So they pursued Geno. So. So Pete Carroll had a year out of the NFL to modernize, reflect, take stock, and they paid him 66 million guaranteed and gave up a third round pick. J. Mac asked this earlier, could this be a one and done for Gino and Pete? I mean, it's just nothing is working, Mike.
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I always wonder like, you know, can a top coach overcome bad ownership? You know, how does that work and how much is the ownership better with Brady there? I thought about that too. Because Pete's going to be 75 going into next season. If the takeaway from this year is that we're a three year plan away, is that for Pete now? Do you fire a Pete Carroll after one year? To me, it would really have to be like they had a game this year, they played the Colts, they got scored 40 to nothing in the second and third quarters. If that type of thing is happening, then I think anybody isn't coming back, right. That no one survives that when you're just totally in competitive. The game the other night was just so ugly, but they were at least there. It wasn't like they were losing 30 to nothing. So I would think Pete gets more time. It is just felt a little weird to me the way it came together where it's like Chip Kelly probably wouldn't have been Pete's choice. Patrick Graham was already there, probably wouldn't have been his choice. I kind of agreed with that because you know what? Pete just getting the band back together with a bunch of guys that need Pete to have a job necessarily. But I'm not sure how. Like think of it this way. When you're a head coach and your calling card is changing the culture, it's not like Pete Carroll's coming in and bringing a differentiating offense or defense. Right. You're not getting an advantage through the scheme like you might with Sean McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan. You're really relying on the culture to turn. Number one, can you turn a culture of a bad organization? And number two, how long does that take to happen? Like think about Dan Campbell was 419 and 1 and he had Jared Goff, who's a good pro quarterback, right. And then he finally kind of hit it with Ben Johnson. But like does anyone think that they're going to wait that long? Is this a five year plan with Pete to get every aspect of the building? I think they need to start to see it to turn this year. And if he makes it, it's got to turn by the middle of next year.
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Yeah. Mike Sando Senior writer, the Athletic on a Friday as the. As the temperatures cool in the nation and the aviation forecast is not great. Stay out of airports, America. Mike, it's great seeing you.
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Great seeing you. Appreciate it. Colin.
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All right. Mike does terrific work. Yeah. I don't. It's an interesting idea by you. Is that it is. It's hard to turn around a culture. I mean, the reason Harbaugh took the Chargers job was Herbert. Right? Like that's why you take the job. Obviously it doesn't matter who the owner is. It doesn't. You bring your band, you bring the band. Dean spanos now in LA with SoFi, his huge game day revenue. The money's good. You go for Herbert, you know, that's. That's why we have said for years we know Sean McDermott's a good coach, but if they get bounced in the first round, that's the best job in the NFL, right? So there it's most of the great quarterbacks right now have good enough coaches. The Raiders, we don't know if it's the coach, the quarterback. Ownership's not great. There's money. It's, it's just hard to turn this stuff around. I mean, again, you can do it if you land a Josh in the draft or Harbaugh lands a Herbert in his move. It's just if you don't have the quarterback, right. And you got to rebuild the culture, it looks like the Raiders. Yeah.
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Well, it's funny, after I said that on social media, guys coming after me, hey, J. Mac, you want to keep Aaron Glenn, but you want to run off Pete Carroll? And I said, well, those are different things. Pete Carroll's a veteran coach, right. Coming into a Raiders team that, I don't know, they were like maybe a 7, 8, 9 win team.
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Yeah, we thought so.
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And he kind of handpicked his quarterback. Aaron Glenn got, hey, this is you. You could bring in Justin Fields. You could do it. I'm giving Aaron Glenn a first time head coach, a chance. I just wonder if Pete Carroll is the right fit there. I mean, you know, Chip Kelly we like a lot, you know, we know the ownership group is some smart people. I just don't know how they landed on Geno Smith of all people because Colin, he looks shot.
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Urban Meyer next hour. I'm still telling you there's the Lincoln Riley stuff at usc. Penn State might be interested. Keep your eye on Lane Kiffin. What is working in the NFL right now is young offensive guys. They're working afc, nfc. You can bounce around the sec.
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So wait, so is Lane taken the LSU job, the Penn State job, Miami Dolphin job? Okay. Boy, Lane Kiffin's the bell of the ball this, this morning.
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I mean he's been a, he's been, listen, don't blame the Raiders on him. That was Al Davis in twilight years. And at USC again, find all the USC coaches that are winning since Pete Carroll, Sark, Kiffin, Clay, Lincoln. Where are all the wins?
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It's more about like just is it because is some of it Jackson Dart looks really good in the NFL or better than everybody thought Is it Ole Miss?
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He's got a kid now, Trinidad Chambliss, the quarterback, I think he's great now. He's undersized. I text five GMs this weekend and you know, they were all kind of like his size is a concern. His quarterbacks, his offense work. All I know. You know what's funny about this in recruiting, offensive players at a high school or transfer portal will follow a coach. Defensive players, the great five star guys, they want to go to Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, they want to go to the big programs, they're not as driven to go to a coach. Offensive guys will follow the coach, they'll follow Lane. Right? So he'll always succeed in college. Lane will always have good offenses because quarterbacks, receivers backs, left tackles, offensive players follow the coach more than defensive players. Now in the NFL, obviously that dynamic changes. You're drafting them, they're not choosing you.
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Right?
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So maybe he's just built for college because Lane's young, good looking guy, big personality, and in the college level he's got a Pied Piper effect. He can get those, those transfer guys, they want, they want to play for Lane and they should.
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I look at the who he's answering to at Ole Miss. Nobody, it's Lane show. Nobody tells him what to do at lsu. It's I believe the governor of the state right now.
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No, you're right.
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Okay.
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The Miami Dolphins, Stephen Ross, you know him as an owner, look at his history. It ain't great. And then the New York Giants, who are a bit of a.
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Would you ask yourself? It's your. These are good points.
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I don't want to kill the, kill the Giants.
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I would rather coach in the NFL than Colle because I just would get tired of having to tell every player. It's like being a late night host, like you're Jimmy Kimmel. You have to fake that you care about some crappy third line actress or actor on a show. You'd never watch late night TV is just faking it. You very rarely get Chris Rock on or Seinfeld or Dave Chappelle. Like that's a great guest. You get them like four times a year. Or a great like Bradley Cooper. It's mostly second third tier people. You gotta fake. So in college recruiting, you have to. Basically you're constantly like, oh, I love you, you're my favorite. To 18 year olds in the NFL, I draft you, I like you. It doesn't work. I cut you. It's more. Bottom line, I'd rather coach NFL than college.
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You say that. But then we've got all these meddling owners. Colin who? Woody Johnson goes and blasts Justin Fields the week of the game. Justin Fields then shows up and is great, and you're like, what is Woody Johnson talking about? Do you want your owner coming into meetings and meddling? I mean, look at the Carolina Panthers owner the last few years. Now he's simmered down this season. But, like, do you want to deal with that?
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Well, I would rather. I would rather deal with one impulsive billionaire than seven needy boosters, an overwhelmed athletic director, and the NCAA Nonsense. I'll deal. A good question with one impulsive rich guy. I'll talk him off the ledge twice a year.
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Well, you deal with a lot of rich guys.
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I don't.
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I don't.
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I don't.
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I don't know what they're like. I just can make fun of them on the Internet.
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My friends are oppressed and living on peanut brittle. But the point is, I'd rather deal with one. One thing than a bunch of things.
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Joey bag of donuts. Who's coming in?
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Every car dealer in town. And guys that sell sofas at discount. Hey, what about.
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But don't take it again. I don't know. And I'd love to ask. Lane, you take one of these car dealers out to a dinner, and they're just thrilled. They're on cloud nine for a month.
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That's it.
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And you're good. Thank you for the input.
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You know, you just win on Sunday, and your owner's good.
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Saturday.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, well, yeah. That's tough. It's not easy.
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Do you want needy boosters and needy administrators, or do you want to just.
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Be, like, a radio host and, you know, you just.
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Whatever. I mean, Belichick is like Robert Kraft. A lot of times the coaches are. I mean, Andy Reid gets along with Jeffrey Laurie and the Hunt family.
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The hustle is out of it.
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Yeah. I mean, Belichick's grumpy. He's like Robert Kraft. Robert Kraft's a top four owner. You're complaining about Robert Kraft. That's a tough owner. Belichick doesn't want anybody. Not.
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Not all owners are created equal. Cleveland Browns. What's going on with that owner? Like, there's just some team, like, I'd rather coach in college. Penn State's probably a better job than, you know, probably a third of NFL jobs, given how crazy and wacky these.
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Billionaires you want to be recruiting. Small town. A 13th apple pie. Slice of the week.
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I love apple pie. I'll eat apple Pie six days a week if I get to just schmooze with it.
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J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
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This is the Herdline news. All right, so this one is interesting. Aaron Rodgers, you know, I've stopped beating up on him after he got that win over the Colts. Very strange situation this week. So Rogers talked about a alleged team bonding event that he was invited to, right? And then he shows up, and he's the only player there. Listen to this.
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Colin Kim invited me to a movie night a while back and said it was a big team function. I showed up. I was the only player there on a Tuesday night, too.
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You know, just like, we had an early Wednesday morning.
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The quarterbacks with our meeting with Mike. So I was like, fine. I love, you know, team bonding, chemistry stuff. I show up, I see him and his son Cal, and we got to know during training camp. I'm like, all right, cool.
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You have four camps here.
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I'm looking around. I go, where's everybody at? So then he texted me a couple nights ago, said there was something on Monday night.
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And I said, is this going to.
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Be, like, the last one?
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Okay, so is this something? Nothing is. Roger's yanking our chain here.
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I like that he tells the story. That's kind of funny.
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So is it just Cam Hayward's older. Is he inviting guys over? And all the young guys are like, we're good. We got. We got. We got a night off. We're not hanging with the old boys.
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That's why I don't invite you guys over to my place. I get the same kind of treatment. You guys all go to nightclubs and music.
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Nightclubs.
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These guys go to music venues and nightclubs and dance clubs. And I go to bowling alleys.
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They're hanging out at cigar lounges, right?
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I mean, I go home, I'm in. I'm literally playing with the dogs at 5:45. The other night, during. It was Monday Night Football, so Chicago's central time zone, LA Pacific. And so I'm sitting there and I'm watching the Monday Night Football game, and I'm. I'm getting tired, and I'm kind of battling a flu. I'm like, I'm going to get into bed. And I look down. It was 5:54. And I'm like, I wanted to take magnesium and shut it, and I had to watch the Monday Night Football game.
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Those. Those Midwest winters hit hard. How you hold it up, buddy? Let's move on. Hey, we'll get you happy with this one, Sam. Darnold, your guy, you can't stop talking about him. He's the best quarterback in the league this year. That's undeniable. He had seven team straight completions against Washington.
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That was the best half of football by any quarterback this decade.
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Unbelievable. NFL analyst Hugh Millen believes that one of the keys to Darnold's success has been his ability to manipulate the defense with his eyes and smoking the ball into those tiny windows. Your thoughts?
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I know, Hugh, and I think he's right. I think Sam's really grown. I think we forget how young Sam was with the jets, so he was 21 years old. The jets are dysfunctional. But. And it also. Sam's also helped that this. General manager, John Snyder. This roster is really good. They got their left tackle, they got their interior offensive lineman. They now got three receivers. It's a really good roster. When you watch them against Washington, I made this comment. It. It looked like a. It was Ohio State against Purdue. It looked like an unfair fight. They are so long, strong, they're so nimble. They're just. They draft really well. They don't miss. They don't miss much in drafts.
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So we're talking about coaches and hot, hot coaches. So is Sam Darnold looking different and better because of Clint Kubiak? Now, remember, he's the OC Last year. Colin, you remember when the New Orleans Saints started two and, oh, they scored like 90 points?
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Kubiak was there.
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Kubiak was the guy. Then it went sideways, but Carr was hurt. I just wonder if Kubiak's been so good for Darnold that maybe he starts getting some looks in interviews.
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Well, Donald has now succeeded in his life with Clay Helton, Kevin. Kevin o'. Connell. When you start succeeding with three different.
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Sets of eyes, it's not all that. But how about this? Kubiak, before he was with Seattle, it was the Saints. Before that, San Francisco 49ers.
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Well, that's where Darnold. Yeah, Darnold. You know, Shanahan's the one that never quit on Darnold after, you know, bouncing around the league. McVeigh liked Baker. Remember he brought him to LA. McVay is like, no, Baker can play. That's why you have to be careful as a fan. You know, when a quarterback's losing and it's like, well, let's contextualize it. Why is he losing? Right? Like, it's. A quarterback can only do so much. Joe Burrow last year was the best quarterback in the league statistically. Could not make the Playoffs. Right. He's overcoming a cheap owner. We don't know how great of a coach Zach Taylor is. The old line's always banged up. So.
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So Darnold plus Kubiak. If you have an opening in the NFL and you don't bring in Kubiak because they're doing stuff. JSN is open all day.
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Yeah.
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And easy lead. How is that happening? And I think Kubiak has a lot to do with. Darn.
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I agree.
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Final story column. Let's go to the NBA. Listen, you can't win them all, okay? The Dallas Mavericks are a total dumpster fire. Things are going awful. Obviously, they made the change. A Cooper Flag, the rookie, is not at point guard. Now they put Klay Thompson on the bench. Take a listen to what our guy found here. A Mavs beat writer said the vibes are off in Dallas. Listen to this.
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What was your. Your perception of the vibe today?
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I mean, they were. I mean, we talk about preg. They playing Marvin's room.
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It just. It just felt sad and dark and I don't want to, like, be dramatic, but, like, it just. The energy wasn't high. You.
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You know, I. I've been around some.
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Championship high school teams, and you go.
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In the locker room, the vibes are pretty high.
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I mean, they're dancing, they're playing music. They're.
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It's just.
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It's just a different type of energy.
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They're laughing with each other, they're joking with each other. The Mavs aren't doing that as much.
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Any theories why things are suddenly gloomy and dark?
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Well, I.
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It's just very early.
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Oh, really? Interesting. So who's the leader of this team, Colin?
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That's a good question. They don't have one.
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They don't have leadership. Cooper flag's 18. He's not walking in there and telling guys what to do. Klay Thompson, not a leader. He's got his own. You know, he's got. Dating a famous woman now, and, like, that's his story. Anthony Davis has never been an alpha leader.
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Right.
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They don't have a leader.
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Yeah, it's fair.
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And without that, they're 2 and 6. The vibes are dark. Like, who's at practice? Let's go, fellas. And who's the. Who's the hype guy? The energy guy? Maybe that's Kyrie when he comes back in five months. I think it's over this season for that. I know it's dramatic. Jason. Too early. You just watch them and you're like, this is not a playoff team, especially in the Western Conference.
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Yeah, you're probably not wrong. I mean I probably. I really like the front line. Cooper Flags had one bad game. Otherwise he's.
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He's good.
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He's a good player.
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So remember all the Talk, oh, would LeBron go to the Mavericks? You know, play with Kyrie and no, no shot. LeBron's on a winning team. The Mavs. They're not winning, by the way. Lakers dodged a bullet with Klay Thompson. Remember how Laker land out here? We gotta get Clay. Come on, bring him in. They got lucky. I Everybody likes Clay Thompson. Nice guy.
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He's a great guy. So J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd line Meyer last hour. J. Max got his picks. You've had a very good year, by the way. So that Mike Sando had an earlier comment, which I totally agree with. You start looking at the playoff pictures now. It's nfc, I buy AFC nonsense. The Denver can't end up a number one seed. Can't you cannot have more three and outs than the Titans and more punts than Cleveland and be a number one seed in la. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app. I'm going to assume that everybody messages their friends. And I'm also going to assume that people run into issues when messaging, especially during group chats. It's really important any of my digital messaging is clear, no mistakes. It's also important when I send messages, they send quickly and I get responses quickly. WhatsApp can help with all of that. First, you can message privately with everybody in the group, even if you're using totally different phones. Sent a message too fast and instantly regretted it. No problem. Just edit it. And when the chat goes a little too intense, you can switch to a group video call and actually talk it out. Photos and videos come through clear and messages get delivered without gaps or delays. Plus, WhatsApp has many great features like polls and pinned messages and even event invites with RSVP is cool so planning stuff doesn't turn into a mess. It just makes a lot of sense. It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone.
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Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
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His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
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Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you?
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Okay, okay, I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.
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To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.
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Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search next question with Katie Couric and listen now.
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On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physician.
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And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.
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Talking about health in a different way.
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It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.
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What our health says about us and the way we're living.
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Like our episode where we look at.
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Diabetes in the United states.
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I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.
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How preventable is type 2?
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Extremely. Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.
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Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible.
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But like you don't even know. You don't know. You don't know. It's going to be a fun ride.
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So tune in.
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Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Start your Saturday strong with the unstoppable second ranked Hoosiers. All eyes are on Fernando Mendoza as he leads Indiana and continues his Heisman campaign against Penn State. It all starts with big noon kickoff at 10am Eastern. Then it's Indiana, Penn State. Big noon Saturday only on Fox.
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So right now Denver, and that one was a inartistic windy mess, is the number one seed in the afc, the conference of Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar and Herbert and they lead the NFL in punts. It's brutal. Here's Sean Payton discussing last night's mess.
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So you're asking am I comfortable as a coach?
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We're never satisfied.
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If my answer were to you, I'm.
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Comfortable, that'd be silly right now. You know, we're teams sitting at eight wins. I think we're the only team sitting there. So. And yet we're, we're constantly looking internally and starting, you know, but that was, it was a tough night offensively obviously. So I it, nothing looked good. So. And this is a number one offensive line in football according to pfft. So they're a number one seed. Next up, Kansas City Chiefs off a buy. I'll take Kansas City, regardless of the line, here's the current AFC playoff picture. So Denver's a number one seed. They only give out one buy. Now in each conference, seventh seated Jags would take on the Colts in Indianapolis, the two seed. The third seeded Patriots would host the sixth seeded Chargers. And then Buffalo, a five seed would host Pittsburgh, a four seed. Now nobody loves the Bolts, Harbaugh and Herbert like me, but they don't have their offensive tackles. I don't, I don't think that works. And I wouldn't trust the Jags to park my car and you can buy into the crypto Colts. I'll go with a real equity. So I'll put Kansas City to replace the Jags as a wild card team. I trust Andy Reid, Mahomes and Spags, the Ravens to replace the Chargers even though the records right now don't feel that way. But. And then I'll take Buffalo and Pittsburgh to remain the same. I don't know what Pittsburgh is going to do. Let's just make these two moves. So then I believe the winners are Kansas City over the Colts, Baltimore over New England and Buffalo. So the road teams with the hall of Fame quarterbacks all win. Then Kansas City would go to Denver and I would take Kansas City and I think I would take Josh Allen over Lamar. So it would be Josh Allen and Mahomes again meeting for the AFC championship in Buffalo.
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Hold on, let me add something. So I got to look this up just to make sure. Colin, that Chiefs Colts game is interesting. Indian Indianapolis would be at home. I believe their defensive coordinator is Lou Amaruno.
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Yes.
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Yeah, he's the one who hatched that great plan against Mahomes in the playoffs when the Bengals took them down. Now he adds Sauce Gardener to the mix. That's a, that's interest. That would be a good game. I think. You know, Kansas City probably would be favored by three, three and a half.
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I don't if you go to the NFC playoff picture, I mostly buy it. I maybe the Bears will sneak in, but the nf, we said this before the year. The AFC is better at the top, but it's middle and bottom looks like the NBA Eastern Conference. The NFC doesn't have a really bad bottom outside of like the states. I mean Carolina's got, they just beat Green Bay at Lambeau. So the bottom of the end of Arizona just clobbered Dallas. So when I look at the NFC playoff picture, Philly, Tampa, Seattle, Green Bay, Rams, Niners, Lions, Bears, their stuff I like about all those teams. I even trusted I Think Chicago at this point, we know what they are. They're not very good defensively. Afc, I think the Colts are a little overvalued. They're more regular season than postseason team. New England's a great story. I don't know if they're going to win a playoff game against an elite quarterback. Pittsburgh's what Pittsburgh is. Chargers all beat up, don't trust the Jags. So I think the AFC has got all sorts of changes and the big dogs will come roaring back in the next, you know, eight weeks. But I, I'll tell you, there's nothing, there's nobody in the NFC outside of the Bears who I think will change. I think the Bears could end up like supplanting San Francisco as a wild card team. I don't think the Bears are going to win their division.
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We'll see if who comes back for the Niners. This is fascinating. Look at the top four in the AFC and nfc. Okay. Broncos, cold weather in January, outdoors. Colts, dome, Patriots, cold outside. Pittsburgh, cold outside. Nfc, Philly, cold outside in January. Tampa, probably warm. Seattle's going to be cold.
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You know, that's messy.
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Messy.
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Yeah.
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And Green Bay, the tundra. You better be, you better be able to travel with that defense. And run game is going to be huge in January.
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Yeah. No, there's no question. It also shows you, and this has been true forever. There's never been a dome dynasty in the NFL. There's never been a warm weather dynasty. Think about that.
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Cowboys, is that warm weather 90s, Dallas, winters are cold.
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It's, it's not. When I say warm weather, I'm talking la, Florida, Arizona, all the Florida teams. New Orleans is warm weather. AFC North, AFC South, NFC South.
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Well, that's a lot better.
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Right. But there's never been. The dynasties in my life are Pittsburgh, outdoors. Yeah. So New England, Kansas City again, you could say, what about San Francisco? He. What's the old joke that the, the coldest winter I ever spent was the summer in San Francisco. So San Francisco's foggy and can be, you know, it can be cold. I guess San Francisco would qualify as the warm weather dynasty in the NFL. But my point is this league is a Thanksgiving on league. It is a cold weather league. Go back to Bart Starr. I mean, go back all you want. You go back to the packers with Bart Starr. You know, it just, it's been a lot of, I mean, look at if I said to you, best teams over the last 10 years in the NFL. Baltimore, Green Bay, Kansas City, New England, the Steelers have been very good. Seattle has been well run.
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Even Peyton Manning with the dome in Indy could not really generate.
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Yeah. I mean he had one super bowl in Indy.
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Yeah.
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So there I the disadvantage to warm weather and dome you get very comfortable. I can remember the Dan Fouts game. Dan Fouts was an amazing quarterback. Goes to Cincinnati, it's like 9 degrees and all the San Diego guys. But there is some value in playing in crappy weather, in having a rough, relentless, harsh media.
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Now I will say the Rams comfort.
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League, not a comfort league.
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So this Rams team because you know this defense is nasty and they have a run game and a great coach, I think they can handle outdoor weather in January. I think the Rams will be okay. Would you agree? Stafford also, he could play in the elements.
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Yeah, no, no, he did. But I think my the point is if you look at this last 30, 40 years in the NFL, these cold weather, December, January decides this league. Look at the teams that continue to dominate it. The cold weather club.
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As a Jets fan, I got to look up Mendoza now. Can he play in cold weather? Well, Indiana pick, he's our guy.
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Pretty frigid. I think Mendoza and Dante Moore are going to go one and two. That's my guess. Urban Meyer coming up next time. You know that feeling when you come home late from work and the puppy dog eyes just pierce right through your soul? Yeah. We've all been there, right? Pet parent guilt is real. And you know what? It's completely normal. That's exactly why Hill's pet nutrition exists. They understand that being a pet parent means being human. Hill science led nutrition helps you give more love than humanly possible. Whether it's those long work days or trying to balance the tension between, you know, multiple pets. Hill's Pet nutrition gets it because, hey, you're only human. There's Hills Science does more. If you're ready to let go of the guilt, find the right food@hillspet.com iheart.
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On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.
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All right, are you ready for another question?
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D
Go ahead, hit me, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie couric. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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B
On the podcast health stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.
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A
I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician.
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B
And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode we're where we look at diabetes in the United states.
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C
I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.
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B
How preventable is type 2?
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Extremely. Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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D
This is an iHeart podcast.