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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Colin's new Herd Hierarchy, Jerry Jones is winning the trade, Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10. Okay, listen, I gotta put the Bears in here. Eight and one over their last nine games. Their defense leads the NFL in interceptions and takeaways. They have 24 takeaways. I don't think they're a great defensive team, but they take advantage when the ball's in the air, they fight for it. They're also the second best rush team. Offense, number six. I don't think Ben Johnson and Caleb are a finished product. This team wins close games. Same thing I say about Denver, there is value in that. Chiefs did it last year. I think teams that win close games are tight locker rooms. Bears at 10. Number nine, the Ravens. Obviously, Lamar Jackson is not a hundred percent. Brock Purdy last night. No velocity. Toe injury. He won't say anything. Lamar won't say anything. Fifth straight win. Their defense right now since week seven is the number one defense in the league. They're not pretty. They're out of rhythm. They're a little broken offensively. I always say I put Baltimore in the top 10 because I just respect the culture, the ownership, the coach, the front office. I don't know how good they are, but they make the list. Number eight, Green Bay. Here's what's weird. For the first time in forever, it's just a defensive story. Their offense is conservative. Their defense is excellent at home. Opponents score 13 points a game. That's the Best home defense in the league. They've held opponents under 20 points in four straight games. They have a pass rush. Their offense does not give it away. This is rare. It's a boring Green Bay Packer team led by their defense, okay? And we look at all these offensive receivers and all these stars and we're like, oh, I don't understand it. It's just a different Packer team, but it's a good one there. Eight, number seven. The Lions, third game with 200 plus rushing yards. Jameer Gibbs is like fired out of a cannon. The guy's unbelievable. Their defense, though, major problem. They give up chunk play. They gave up 10 catches of over 20 yards to Jameis Winston, but they can control the game. They've got a home run hitter in the backfield. They've got a cultured creator and an accurate thrower. They're an unimpressive and uninspiring. Not as good as last year. Number seven. Number six. The Chiefs. Listen. Lead the NFL in yards per game. It's not pretty. Yeah, they could have been 5 and 6, but they held the Colts to season loaves in points, total yards and first downs. They're good at home. They're not as good on the road because they're not a great team, but they're a good team. And they're one of four teams to rank top 10. Only four in the league. Top 10 in all. All major. Four major categories. Scoring offense, total offense, scoring defense, total defense. Well coached, smartly. Quarterback. I have him at six. Number five. One inch behind Philadelphia, which like Baltimore, has a broken offense. Jalen Hurts attended 30 attempted 39 throws against the Cowboys. That's about double what people in Philadelphia are comfortable with. Nine of their 11 games have been decided by one score, but I can't hold it against them because that was the case with Kansas City last year. They have a culture. They've got athletes. I trust them in big spots. They just had a disastrous second half against a Hot Cowboy offense. Lamb, Pickens, Dak. 5. Number 4. Seattle. The one team I would not want to play in the playoffs. Young, confident, aggressive, great on the road. Seattle, highest rush percentage in the league. And they love to throw the ball down the field. And number three in point differential. They're going to go in as a wild card team and they'll be the only wild card team that honestly, I mean, I, I would argue their roster could be better than the team that wins the division. They're a little more mistake prone than the Rams, but I have them at four Number three, the Patriots played like crap and one on the road. That's pretty good. The offensive line, now, it's a little banged up, but they've only allowed three sacks over the last three games. They just don't have a fundamental flaw. If they score 20 points, they're 100 best record in the NFL. I think Josh McDaniel, offensive coordinator once again, quietly, just like with Brady, is really, I mean he is, he's the wizard of Oz behind the curtain for this offense. They just call and perform a really smart offensive game plan every Sunday. Number two, Denver. Here's why there are certain stats you can't ignore. They lead the NFL with a plus 36 sack differential. They have the number one ranked offensive line. They allow 4.4 yards of play, easily the best in the league. They get four and a half sacks a game now, way too many penalties, more than any in the league. I could see them beating themselves. They have terrible halves and are inconsistent. But there are stats in this league that tell me you're going to win multiple playoff games. Oh yeah, they got a Hall of Fame level head coach number one. I, I mean honestly, the Rams, they're number one in everything. Seven of their nine wins have come against teams with winning records. They're blowing people out. Tampa's not a bad team. They scored 31 in the first half. They don't turn it over. They never get penalized. They take leads. Number one scoring offense, number one scoring defense during this six game stretch. Let me tell you something. Nate Landman, the inside linebacker, stole him from Atlanta. Devonte Adams, free agent, stole him. I mean, it's just incredible what they've done. I mean they went and got the, the, the corner from Washington, Forbes. He looks like a number one corner. What an off season of acquisitions for very reasonable prices. There we go. Let's bring in Nick Wright. I'm interested to see what Nick has to say about this. I think Green Bay is hard to get your arms around because our entire life Green Bay has been an offensive story and this one, they're actually a defensive story. And we're all like, they're no good. No, they're good. They're just different. Anybody that jump out to you, a few things.
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Nick Wright
First of all, good hierarchy. I like it a lot. I am a little surprised at the lack of inclusion for the Bills with the inclusion of the Ravens. So I, I understand the concerns about the Bills, you know, many of which I have been raising for five years. However, the Ravens have not played a 60 minute football game. Where they're good on both sides of the ball once all year, zero times all season. And it appears whatever magic elixir the defense took to get good, they took it from the offense, which now is not good. And I'm not a doctor, but Lamar's injuries going from in chronological order, hamstring to knee to ankle to now. Toe feels like now. Maybe after the toe there's nowhere else to go. He's just healthy. But that's concerning to me. So I would probably put the Bills where you have the Ravens, the Packers. The defense is awesome. I don't trust Jordan Love at the moment. I know he's got a lot of upside. I don't trust him. And I'm interested in why you don't have the Niners on their column.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, Okay. A prime example. So you ever seen Brock Purdy's Monday night football numbers? 5 touchdowns, 11 picks, 75 passer rating. He is not a good cold weather quarterback. We know that. Seattle is going to make the playoffs, Philadelphia is going to make the playoffs, Green Bay is going to make the playoffs, Chicago is going to make the playoffs and he's going to go on the road. So my point is, I've never thought, I mean, let's be honest about Brock Purdy. You and I feel the same thing. Salah's done an Unbelievable job. McCaffrey might as well be Walter Payton. He's the whole offense you don't trust. If I don't trust your quarterback, at least early or late, I can't have you in that. You feel that way, don't you?
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Nick Wright
Listen, here's the deal. I set you up to go on that rant just so I can be like, I agree with all of it. And you and I, you and I never, never wavered when the Luna, the lunatic fringe was like, you're just being unfair if you don't acknowledge Brock Purdy is a top five quarterback. That was said by allegedly credible people. Folks are like, oh, it's draft pick bias. Why won't you give Brock Purdy his flowers? Oh, he's a bargain. At 50 million a year, you and I held the line, Colin Cowherd. And now last year we saw Brock Purdy without all the fancy weapons take a dip. This year we got the real science lab experiment of, I don't know, what if you threw? God, call it. Mac Jones in there. How are they doing? The answer is just fine. And now he's out here. You know, this is his second in the last less than two years. His second three Interception half. This is his sixth three interception game in the last three years. Brock Purdy, when he was content being a game manager in the Shanahan brilliant system.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Was just fine.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Nick Wright
Brock Purdy trying to be like, I'm going to show everybody what I can do is a disaster waiting to happen. He threw three picks in the first half and he was very fortunate it was not five. I if I were the Niners because I. Here's the thing. As long as McCaffrey's healthy, Shanahan's calling plays and big Bob Salas dialing up that defense, they're scary. I'm one more Purdy game like that away from going back to Mac Jones and dealing with the contract stuff in the off season.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. How about I'm going to throw this at you. Is it possible now? I said when they traded Micah, I said it's good for Green Bay. They need a closer because they lead games late. Dallas doesn't. Dallas needs draft picks because look at Philadelphia Rams, Lions, they just don't have the players. Well, you look at Jerry now, they still have two first round picks, don't need a quarterback and a half the league does in the next draft, which is a quarterback draft. You can't run in them anymore because Quinn and Williams now looks like Pro Bowl. Quinn and Williams. Kenny Clark's good. They've got overshone back who was a monster at Texas and now as a monster, he's healthy with Dallas and they're probably going to get Caleb Downs and an edge rusher. Do we owe Jerry an apology? They stole George Pickens. They got incredible value for Micah. Their pass rush is third in the league in pressures. Do we all owe Gerald Wayne Jones senior Napolitan?
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Nick Wright
No. No, we don't. Because here's the other way to look at it. You're right, they do have and you always do this. You're like, they have two first round picks, which is true, but one of them is their own. They were always going to have one. So it's one additional first round pick now that they've made the Cornwalliams trade. My counterpoint would be this. Had Jerry's ego and negotiating tactics not cost them Micah Parsons, they wouldn't be in a position where they are 10% to make the playoffs despite having Dak Prescott playing the best football of his life. And right now, up to this point this season, the best wide receiver duo in football. They are. If I, I don't have a vote on anything for, for NFL awards. If I did, Dak Prescott would Be my second team all pro quarterback. Right now, it'd be Stafford, first team all Pro. Dak Prescott, second team all Pro. And they're 5, 5 and 1. Because up until two weeks ago, they had the worst defense in football. So I. I don't think they had to have that. And I still think if the net. Net of the trade is you traded away Micah and you got Quinn and Williams and one additional first round pick, which is. It actually probably got a little bit less than that, but call it that. I think that's a loss for Dallas. I think Mike. I think Quinn and Williams is a excellent player. I think Mike is a Hall of Fame player, and I think that's the difference. So, no, I don't owe Jerry an apology. George Pickens trade was good, though. And as happy as Jerry is about the George Pickens production, he's even happier that he now has because they didn't have a star to get in a messy contract battle with this offseason because everyone was locked up, and now they do. So that's kind of, you know, two for the price of one in Jerry's book.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I said this about Shador. I was surprised he dropped in the draft. I like my quarterbacks to be intense and obsessed. I just. That's my thing. They get goofy. They get a little Johnny Manziel or Cam or Baker or Shador, who's kind of fun and a little loose. It's not my thing. But I will say this. He takes swings. I watch them against the Raiders, and I'm like, well, that's the Colorado guy. Hey, Dylan Gabriel. I said this. Nobody gets rich with a 401k. Dylan Gabriel's not even a 401k. He's the savings bond your grandma gave you. Like, you can't win being small and safe and making coaches happy. I think there's value in the fact that the players like Shedeur. That's what I saw. What say you?
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Nick Wright
I think this is a very simple decision that you start Shador, if you can, for the rest of the season. And that's not because I'm a huge Shador guy. I didn't love him coming out of school. I said on this show when he was projected to go in the top five, that I could see him slipping out of the first round that Pittsburgh trading people are talking about, should Pittsburgh trade up for him? And I said, listen, I think he'll just be available when Pittsburgh's picking at, like, 21, wherever they were. So I'm not a huge fan of Shador the player. I actually people are criticizing his personality. I have less of a problem with that. I have more problem with. I just don't know if he is NFL starting quarterback caliber. With that said, there is a chance Shador Sanders is going to be an above average NFL starter for 10 years. There is a bigger chance. I would put that at like 5%. There's like a 10% chance that Shador Sanders is just an average NFL starter for 10 years. I think there is and I know this sounds mean. I don't mean it to a zero percent chance Dylan Gabriel is an above average NFL starter and I think there is a close to 0% chance. Dylan Gabriel is a longtime starter. Dylan Gabriel was drafted in my eyes to be a more than competent backup stopgap corner quarterback. That's fine as a third round pick. So if I'm Cleveland that has started 42 different quarterbacks in the last quarter century, I need to get as much info as possible on did we get, you know, a diamond in the rough, so to speak with Shador. My I would bet against it, but it's possible. I don't think it's possible that Dylan Gabriel is the Brown starter in four years. It's possible. Shador is so I'd want to see him play.
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Colin Cowherd
Caleb Williams. I it's. It's remarkable to me that a team that's six and one in close games is on a heater. Number two in rushing, number one in big plays wins every close games is a seven point dog at Philly, a team that's broken. The Bengals were a seven and a half point dog to number one seed New England without Flaccor Jamar Chase. It tells me the desert just doesn't buy Chicago. I'm sorry but last night cruddy Carolina without Warner or Bosa was a seven point dog to San Francisco. That is a massive number and it's telling me the Sharps don't buy Chicago. What does it tell you?
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Nick Wright
Well, listen, I think that maybe the public or Vegas, you know, one or the other maybe slightly overvalues Philly's offense right now because I don't think Philly's team is broken. But I think Philly's offense has massive issues and while AJ Brown is an awkward messenger, I think his message is correct. So I think that Philly should not be more than a six point favorite over a good team. So the fact that they're a seven point favorite means Vegas isn't buying that Chicago is a good team and I understand they have a negative point differential and that's obviously concerning. But they 8 and 3 and I don't want to be reductive, but 8 and 3 is 8 and 3. And more importantly is this I do think Caleb has gotten better month by month. Is he still behind the schedule you or I would have set for him the day he declared for the draft two years ago? Sure. But I do think he is slowly but surely improving. He's not taking the sacks anymore even though he took one terrible one in the end zone on Sunday. And I, you know, I, I don't know where you're it sounds like I know where you're leaning on this, but I, I like Bears plus seven and I think Philly is in a precarious spot as far as they last year when they were having issues on offense. They could just press and spam the Saquon button. Saquon's 450 touches, shockingly, are showing up looking like a player that had 450 touches. So I don't know what the quick fix Philly has is. I know everyone's mad at the offensive coordinator Petullo, luckily their head coach that everybody loves nowadays, he's an offensive mind. Why doesn't he fix it? Sounds like the easiest solution, but so I like Chicago in this spot as well.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, so I saw kind of a veiled shot at me as your mentor. It was hurtful a couple of weeks ago on LeBron and so I said and I was a little tongue in.
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Nick Wright
Cheer mentor but I mean it's, you know, my relationship with LeBron. I love you Colin, but I mean there's there is a loyalty factor at play here, but go ahead.
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Colin Cowherd
So I said I know LeBron is smart, calculated, he'll walk in, it'll be fine. Two Utah games, a lot of rest. I said but here's the thing. Right now in the world, Luke is the best offensive player and I want his usage rate pretty darn close to 45%. He's in his athletic, skinny. Luca should have the ball in his hands 40% of the time. This is not Oklahoma City with a deeper roster. I want Austin Reeves also in his prime and he also is a shot creator. I want him to have it about 25% of the time. That's it. That's about 65%. 70%. Rui needs it. My question isn't whether LeBron, for a game against Utah or two, can acquiesce, but at 30% usage is about what it looks like he should be. And I think over the course of A season he never been, you know, he's been at least tied for the best player on the team, usually easily the best. Don't you worry at some point LeBron could be like, hey, I ran the league for 20 years, give me the ball.
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Nick Wright
So I would worry about that if the following weren't. I'd worry about that if he still had counting stats he was trying to run down. He doesn't. He has all the records. I would worry about that if it's like, oh, man, I need one more all NBA team to break the record. No, he broke that record six, seven seasons ago. I'd worry about that if it were that he. He was still, you know, able to be in the argument for best player in the world. But he's not, and he knows it. And so because of all of those factors, because he said himself a year ago, at this point, everything is extra credit. And because he came back to the Lakers, A, because he still loves playing basketball, there wasn't a better place for him. And B, I think he believes, well, we're not the favorites. We're not even the second favorites, but if something happens to Oklahoma City and it's open, we're live in that spot, I think he will be fine with it. I also think for the Lakers, being able to deploy, quite simply the smartest player in the history of the sport as something of a, you know, jack of all trades, here's what we need. Tonight could be very, very valuable for J.J. redick. And so I am. And to be clear, I was not sub tweeting you or taking subtle shots at you. I think what I said was, and I quote, my dear friend and mentor Colin Cowherd is out of his bleeping mind on this take. I think that's what I said. It was not supposed to be like, wait, was he talking about me? No, I think you're. I think you're crazy about that. LeBron's not going to fit, because LeBron can fit anywhere. And he said as much. And by the way, I'm going to be there, maybe not quite with Colin Cowherd, courtside seats, but maybe just one row back of that Friday night to watch it in person. I'll be in LA for Thanksgiving, so I don't know if you're in Chicago or la, but maybe I'll see you. But I'll give you an on the ground scouting report from Lakers Mavs on Friday night.
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Colin Cowherd
I appreciate that, my friend. First things first, Happy Thanksgiving to you and the fam, Nick Wright. Thank you. For stopping by. Yeah, I think, I think there's three quarterbacks. There are either franchise guys, bridge guys. Like Jameis Winston's a great bridge guy, fun, capable, productive, little goofy to build around. But there's franchise guys. We know who they are. There are bridge guys. That's Bryce Young is starting to look and feel like a bridge guy. A starter for a year and then there's backups. I, I, I think you're getting to a point with Brock Purdy. He's somewhere between franchise and bridge. And last night he looked like a bridge guy. I think it's come I think the people in Carolina won't admit it. I think Bryce Young's feeling like a bridge guy. Like, I don't know if we can go all Would you sign him to an extension? I mean, look at his passer rating. Week to week to week. It's just all over the map. One of the things about being a franchise guy, I get the same quarterback every week. Josh Allen doesn't run for six touchdowns every week. I get the same guy every week. One more herd the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand, whenever you'd like.
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Jason McIntyre
When we have time later, ask me a question about Michigan, Ohio State. I have a crazy stat for you, but right now we got to go to the NBA, Colin, because this is a big issue for the league right now. Injuries. This is not good. You know how quarterback injuries can rip apart the NFL? Star injuries are killing the NBA. Colin, There was an analysis done of last year's NBA all star team or all NBA team. Half of the players from last year are injured in street clothes, out of action. Now what exactly is causing all these injuries? Here we have it on the screen. Look at all these stars who are currently down. And that does not include LeBron who was down, is now back. But like Giannis, Tatum, Halle, I mean wembanyama, like it's really not great for the league. The games have been fantastic on a nightly basis. The league is, is being, is putting out a product.
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Colin Cowherd
Some of these guys are just older players. Curry, Butler, Kawhi Yanis.
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Jason McIntyre
Still an all NBA player. Butler's an all NBA caliber player.
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Colin Cowherd
I didn't say they weren't. They're older players and they don't want to play 82 regular season games. And they have the power that they don't have to.
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Jason McIntyre
So Steve Kerr is pushing a narrative that it has to do with the pace of the league. If you go look at, it's funny. Nobody wants to do this. But that 80s 90s NBA go look at like a Michael Jordan game from the 90s.
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Colin Cowherd
Slow.
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Jason McIntyre
It's a walk it up the court, pound it down in the post. Jordan, 10 seconds with his back to the basket dribbling. It's like boring and slow. You go to the modern NBA, it's pace and space so fast. You have to have a deep roster, which is why OKC is thriving right now. Best record in the league. Yeah, they got like 10 guys now.
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Colin Cowherd
I think. I think you've got a lot of older stars. I mean, again These guys have played in a lot of games. Bam. Out of Bayou Joel Embiid Dame Lillard Tatum plays 82 when he's healthy. Giannis Butler, Kawhi Curry, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving. So a lot of these guys are old guys, and so it doesn't bother me. But it, it. And I do think pace and space is the league. So I think Steve Kerr is onto it.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. So tonight, Lakers paper clips. If you want to hop on the private jet and come out, I could probably get you a ticket to it. Kawhi versus Luca. We know that's always a great show, but listen, it's not great when your stars are down. I do think I'm with you, like sitting out a few games to rest up for the playoff. I got no problem with that. Colin, I'm with you. Let's move on to Mr. Pickens. George Pickens, one of the best stories in the league. Yes. In the league. At wide receiver this season. He was a absolute heist by Jerry Jones. Congratulations. And Jerry Jones seems to think they want this guy long term.
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Colin Cowherd
We've got two number one receivers, and that's just exceptional. Right at the time when, guess what? Our quarterback is probably the best that he's ever been. There's nothing that we can gain from speculating and conjecture. The bottom line is that we. We're in good shape. He's playing better than we could have even anticipated. And he's an outstanding, let me emphasize this again, outstanding teammate.
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Jason McIntyre
He's not wrong. Taken so far.
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Colin Cowherd
So far. When they offer him a franchise tag, he may not be happy with that.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, somebody. We'll get to that in a second. But somebody on Instagram hit me with this and said, j Mac, did you see that? Pickens has more reception receiving yards than everyone on the Pittsburgh Steelers. The team he was on last year combined. Colin, that is a little crazy.
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Colin Cowherd
The one thing about Dallas and Jerry Jones, and maybe it's just the showmanship. Jason Garrett, offensive coach. Mike McCarthy, offensive coach. Shoddy, shoddy offensive coach. Jerry is leaning offense. I think the smart owners in the league see the value of that, and Dak deserves a lot of credit. He has noisy players in his career, DEZ and Zeke, and Pickens was. It's all quiet on the Dak front. Everything always works with Dak.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I'll just say this, you know, now let's get to the contract. Colin Pickens ain't gonna be happy with a franchise tag. And I know it's gonna be like 28, 29 mil. He don't want that. He wants the long term security. He wants that guaranteed money that Tyreek Hill and all these superstars got. He's gonna be ticked off at that. Okay, and remember what ticked off Pickens was like in Pittsburgh.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I know.
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Jason McIntyre
Remember we ran the plays. He would like he's supposed to block. He would just jog out of the block and like pretend like he's blocking. He checks out pretty quickly. I would just, you know, be ready, Dallas. Because this offseason could be rocky with the superstar Pickens. Final story. Colin is the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes. You know, Mahomes was having a good year. He's kind of not been awesome the last few weeks. He is the only quarterback, however, in the NFL with a winning record in games that his team has trailed by double digits. Yeah, obviously that's a great, you know, thing to have when you're down. We have a little chart here of some of the other quarterbacks when trailing by 10 or more points.
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Colin Cowherd
Tim Tebow, Otto Graham and Tom Brady. Otto Graham?
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Colin Cowherd
Otto Graham. I don't think wore shoes. I think you played. I think they played in flip flops.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen, Mahomes is great in comeback mode. I don't know that I can give Mahomes all the credit for the Colts meltdown. I mean, listen, the defense stopped Indy and Indy stopped running. Jonathan Taylor, you know, Steichen was playing scared, but whatever. Mahomes is a great comeback guy. Look at that line, Colin. Three and a half against Dallas.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I like. Dallas is good at home, but I like can't. I can't wait to watch that. That game is going to get 45 million people. I think it's going to get 40 to 45. I'm not crazy. I'm not kidding here. Mahomes, Dak, cowboys, chiefs.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, there's nothing else to do.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, 44 million people.
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Jason McIntyre
So do you think Chiefs win this?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Interesting. Okay, no pick yet from me, but headlines manana. That's tomorrow in Spanish.
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Colin Cowherd
I know. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie news, Ryan Day of the Buckeyes talking about the big game coming up. Lane Kiffin. I mean, this just cracks me up. He could be the greatest coach in the history of Ole Miss. He already is box checked. Now he's looking maybe for a bigger check. I get it. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app this is.
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The greatest rivalry in sports is here. Top ranked defending national champion Ohio State heads to the Big house looking to snap Michigan's five game win streak in the game. It all starts at 9am Eastern with a special three hour big noon kickoff live from Ann Arbor. Then it's Michigan, Ohio State at noon only on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
Ryan Day that a rough little stretch against Michigan. They're beating everybody except Michigan. Here's a little Ryan Day talking about the Wolverines and trying to snap that losing streak against Michigan. I feel prepared, feel ready.
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Nick Wright
I feel like the guys that we have going going up there, it's a great group of guys and we're going to be locked in, focused, concentrating on doing our job and just can't wait to enjoy being together in another people's stadium.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, I mean that's to me.
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Nick Wright
Something that's different than playing at home and going into another team stadium and winning a game is there's nothing better than that.
- [44:30]
Colin Cowherd
Listen, if you go they lost to Michigan last year, then they played Tennessee in the playoff. From that Tennessee game on to today, easily the best team in the country. Last year offensively it just looked different. And this year defensively they don't look like a college team. So it's, it's somewhere between pro and college. Linebackers, unbelievable corners, safeties. I mean when I, when they went out to Seattle and like Washington at home couldn't even compete. It's a whole different. I mean, go look at that Arch Manning game. Like they're intimidating people. You can't get off the, off the blocks.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, the windows are tiny. Matt, Patricia, the scheme. I think Michigan is going to struggle to move the ball. Struggle to move the ball. So I like Ohio State. Everybody's always afraid to say in games like this, it's gonna be a blowout. Michigan better fight like mad in that first quarter because if Michigan's behind and has to throw is going to get ugly. Michigan needs to score first. By the way, J. Mac, you said you had a great stat on this game.
- [45:41]
Jason McIntyre
So last year's game, Ohio State lost 13 to 10. I'm looking at the Ohio State box score. I'm going to read off some names for you. These were the running backs Ohio State had last year against Michigan. Jud Cuchon. Judkins. He's currently starring in the NFL. Trayvon. Trayvon Henderson. He's currently starring in the NFL. They could do nothing against the Michigan defense. This was the Ohio State wide receiver room. Carnell Tate, who's a stud and probably a first round pick this year. Emeka Ebuka, Jeremiah Smith and Trayvon Henderson. They scored 10 points. Colin. This is more about Ohio State's dominant. They got guys every year. If you go back two years, look at the depth chart, it's insane. Ohio State has way more talent. How are they coming up so empty in these last couple games? That's the only thing that scares me. I have, I have. I'm afraid to bet Ohio State here. I'm afraid.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, one of us is, one of us is not.
- [46:38]
Jason McIntyre
But there's no logic behind it.
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Colin Cowherd
I generally, I don't. I've bet this game a few. What is the number right now?
- [46:44]
Jason McIntyre
Last year they were like three touchdown favorites practically and vomited all over themselves.
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Colin Cowherd
What's the number?
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Jason McIntyre
I haven't even looked because I'm afraid to bet Ohio State. I mean, it can't be that big of a number. Michigan this year is better than they were last year.
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Colin Cowherd
I can't unsee the Michigan game against usc. I can't unsee it. I'm sorry, I can't. I will. I gotta. This is one thing I've been saying. This week of college football is going to be crazy. It's just. I mean, starting Thursday. The games are outrageous. Lane. A lot of people that write for newspapers are old and cranky in no particular order. Sometimes they're cranky and old, sometimes they're Old and cranky. But what's happening to college football? Lane Kiffin's right. It's now pro football on Saturday. And this idea that Lane's not being loyal, the players aren't loyal anymore. Here's Lane on everybody saying, well, what will the players say, Lane, if you leave? You recruited them. What were the players? What about the players? And here's Kiffin.
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- [47:59]
Colin Cowherd
Players chose to go play for their home state a lot and all that. This is a different generation. They all can leave every year. A lot of that is financially based. And so they don't think the traditional way that years ago about their coach and what's going to go on with.
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- [48:17]
Colin Cowherd
They don't. And he's right. And it's up to college football to create rules where you can't poach a coach because be mad at LSU in Florida. Don't be mad at Lane Kiffin. So we. I've been talking about this. There is a lot of. Here's what's funny. Everybody knows Drake May is really good. Nobody doubts that. But the other two young quarterbacks that you're getting a ton of pushback on, Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams. Now, everybody and myself included, Bo got off to a choppy, choppy start this year. He regressed good against Kansas City, but he regressed. That's fair. They always call it sophomore slump. Everybody's got film. Defensive coordinators have an entire off season. Here's throws he makes, here's throws he doesn't. Now, in fairness, Sean Payton's never been good the first four to five weeks of the season. So I mean that some of that is Sean Experiments. He puts a lot on the quarterback's back. And Bo Nix is still young. The other quarterback is Caleb Williams and his accuracy is under 60% in four straight games. But in both instances, the reason I defend both Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams, they're good late and they win close games. And there is value in that. I mean, yesterday, Bryce Young had multiple opportunities to steal that game. He couldn't do it. Look at Caleb Williams in November. This is worse weather. Fewer of you guys around, you're healthy. Caleb Williams in November is 4,07 touchdowns, no picks. Third highest rated quarterback in PFF. And I thought about this this morning as quarterbacks over the last decade have gotten far more athletic. I Mean, I grew up mostly. I mean, that's go, go, go five years ago and then go back 10 years. It was Peyton, it was Brady, it was breathe. It was. It was a pocket game. As the NFL is changing and more great athletes are playing quarterback, should we not then judge quarterbacks differently on completion percentage? Now, I've said I like my quarterbacks like, I like my furniture, big and hard to move. So I never bought into this tiny quarterback's work. It's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of tua. I'm not a. I was never, you know, I. You know, Johnny Manziel. I like Bryce Young. I like quarterbacks who are big, thick, trunky, and can play in cold weather and can take hits. But when I hear about completion percentage, I'm just. I'm asking the question. It's more of an analytical question. When you grow up with Breeze and Manning and Brady and Eli, it was a different era. Now the position has changed. Now the offensive coaches are different. Now it's about going forward on fourth down and not kicking field goals. Should we not look at quarterbacks like Bo Nix and Caleb Williams who are hyper? I mean, Bo Nix is the most underrated athlete at quarterback in the league, and Caleb's got all sorts of horsepower, so why should I be so beholden? Do 62.5% completion percentage, which has always been my sort of line. You can't be below that and be elite. I mean, go look at Andrew Luck. I loved Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck was sort of the starting point of maybe we got to get over interceptions and high completion percentage rates. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying when I look at Bo and Caleb, all I get is pushback. Here's what I know. One of them is a number one seed that's great in the fourth quarter and the other one, increasingly great in the fourth quarter. Sean McVeigh said IT analytics people have all the answers, but none of the accountability. I want wins. I'm not as tied up on completion percentage and passer rating as I feel like I was, like, five or six years ago. I want wins to. I want. I want athletes. I want playmaking. I want the ball down the field.
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