THE HERD - Hour 2 - Colin's new Herd Hierarchy, the Chiefs dynasty might be over, Nick Wright

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Episode: Hour 2 – Colin’s New Herd Hierarchy, the Chiefs Dynasty Might Be Over, Nick Wright
Date: November 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Colin Cowherd’s latest “Herd Hierarchy” NFL power rankings and an in-depth discussion with Nick Wright about the closely-bunched 2025 playoff contenders, particularly the Kansas City Chiefs’ fading dynasty. The conversation ranges from team rankings and playoff races to issues with the Cowboys, Bears’ identity, coaching candidates for the Giants, and a detour into NBA team-building philosophy. The tone is lively, opinionated, and full of sports banter, with memorable self-deprecation, debate, and bold predictions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Colin’s 2025 Herd Hierarchy: Tightest Top 10 Ever

Timestamp: 03:59 – 12:31

• Colin notes this season features the smallest talent gap from teams ranked #1 to #10 he’s ever witnessed:

  “I think the 10th best team could beat the number one team… the difference between Seattle and the number one team is about four points.” (04:43, 07:59)

• Top 10 Rundown (with select rationale):

  1. Rams – Cleanest, most disciplined team. Excel at avoiding penalties and turnovers; “They don’t make any mistakes…You can’t get to 27 points on them.” (10:31)
  2. Denver – Consistently clutch in close games; “great in close games…comes down to an elite play designer and a good late-game quarterback.” (10:31)
  3. Philadelphia Eagles – Dominant in one-score games; best interior D-line; “Dynamite in one-score games...You can’t get fourth-and-one on them.” (09:53)
  4. New England Patriots – Only undefeated road team; efficient, physical, with strong identity.
  5. Baltimore Ravens – Averaging 29 pts with Lamar; “Their defense is now healthy and playing better.” (09:01)
  6. Colts – Scoring on over 50% of drives (“Only team in the league doing that”), fewest punts, Indy praised for roster depth.
  7. Buffalo Bills – Lead the NFL in offensive TDs and are 2nd in yards/play; “They drive me crazy, but…” (07:29)
  8. San Francisco 49ers – Praised as “coaching staff of the year,” surviving injuries and “doing it with smoke and mirrors.”
  9. Kansas City Chiefs – No longer “intimidating”, struggling on the road, Chris Jones regressing, Mahomes not at MVP level.
  10. Seattle Seahawks – “Most athletic,” but turnover-prone.

• General Take: The league has achieved parity—the “smushed” middle that Adam Silver wants for the NBA, where 8+ teams are legitimate threats.

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2. Chiefs Dynasty: Is It Over? Nick Wright’s Perspective

Timestamp: 12:32 – 15:22, 25:40 – 27:43

• Nick Wright calls out Colin’s vacillating Chiefs takes:

  “You’ve declared this dynasty dead twice in the last three months. And in the middle of that, you declared them far and away the best team in the league.” (12:32)

• Nick expresses personal anguish as a Chiefs fan—rocking a ponytail “in disarray” due to their slide down the standings:

  “They have put me in such a crisis… I’m rocking a ponytail on your show because I’m in disarray with my team being the nine seed.” (12:44)

• On Kansas City’s playoff hopes: Both agree this year’s NFL is wide open, with as many as 12 teams capable of winning the Super Bowl:

  “You can credibly make a case for maybe 12 teams… Your entire hierarchy could win.” (14:19, Nick Wright)

• Memorable moment:

  “High highs, low lows. I don’t do emotional hedges. I do the opposite. And I understand the Chiefs dynasty is dead in the water and Patrick Mahomes is looking up at Bo Nix. Lot of season left…” (27:27, Nick Wright)

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3. Cowboys’ Current State & Future Potential

Timestamp: 15:22 – 18:54

• Colin asserts that Dallas is better positioned for next season, due to draft capital and a young core, emphasizing their ability to maneuver in an overdrafted quarterback market:

  “Dallas is one of the only teams…that has two first round picks and doesn’t have to draft the quarterback. Dallas could manipulate the heck out of this draft.” (17:02)

• Nick agrees:

  “If you’re talking about for next season…they’re an interesting team… But this season, the NFC is too good in the middle for them to claw out of four or five and one.” (17:04)

• Potential caveat: Drama anticipated with contract negotiations for George Pickens, who is seen as talented but a bit volatile.

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4. Bears’ Offensive Identity and NFC North Outlook

Timestamp: 18:54 – 22:34

• Colin praises Bears’ clear offensive identity:

  “Second in the NFL in rush attempts, second in rushing…They know exactly what they are…A big play offense…They have a real offensive identity. Packers don’t. Eagles don’t. Steelers don’t. Cleveland doesn’t.” (19:18)

• Suggests Bears could win the division given the muddled state of rivals. Nick is surprised by that take, noting the unconvincing nature of recent Bears victories but questions whether Detroit and Green Bay can get it together.

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5. Giants’ Coaching Search – Avoid Another Coordinator?

Timestamp: 38:32 – 41:23

• Jay Glazer mentions Rams DC Chris Shula as a surprise candidate for Giants HC, saying McVay has endorsed him more than any other assistant.

• Colin is skeptical:

  “New York is not… let’s give another coordinator a shot. It’s too loud, too much pressure. They don’t have a good enough team right now to win on the margins.” (39:19)

• Argues for a proven, battle-tested head coach like Mike McCarthy:

  “Your hit rate on Vrabel, Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh was going to be 100. Nobody doubted they’d be good. Week one, your hit rate on Mike McCarthy will be 100.” (40:31)

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6. Controversy Around Young Quarterbacks (Caleb Williams, Shadour Sanders)

Timestamp: 35:02 – 38:32, 49:38 – 55:35

• Concerns voiced about Caleb Williams’ fit with Ben Johnson’s offensive structure in Chicago:

  “An opposing defensive coach believes Caleb’s style of play does not work well with Ben Johnson’s offensive style… he’s uncontrollable.” (35:02, via The Athletic)

• Colin says this “push and pull” between creative QBs and schematic coaches is common—compares to other current NFL/college duos.

• Nick and Colin both note body language and chemistry between player and coach can matter as much as stats or records.

• Colin discusses Shadour Sanders’ flaws and the odd loyalty in NFL quarterback debates:

  “When your college problem becomes your NFL problem, it’s just who you are... Shadour in college ran backwards. Shadour in the NFL, watching him, runs backwards.” (51:55) “He’s got a judgment issue. It’s not a size issue. It’s not an arm strength issue… Series of bad judgment.” (53:16)

• Emphasizes that NFL coaches aren’t “conspiring” against quarterbacks for ulterior motives—a jab at conspiracy-leaning fans.

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7. Other Notable Sports News

• NBA Talk: How to gracefully end the LeBron era with the Lakers, referencing new ownership’s approach with Dodger stars:

  “How do you exit the LeBron business without offending Rich Paul, LeBron James, his legacy?” (22:34)

  • Nick thinks LeBron will finish this contract and his exit will be natural, not messy.

• College Football:

  • Virginia Tech hires James Franklin (formerly Penn State): “He’s a great recruiter. You’ll see NFL players out of Tech, guaranteed playoff within three years.” (41:46 – 43:38)
  • Colin and J. Mac see this as a major hire, predicting quick success.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Colin Cowherd:

  “In all the years I’ve been doing Herd Hierarchy, this is the smallest gap from the best team in the league to number 10…that’s what the NFL truly wants.” (04:43)

• Nick Wright on Chiefs’ slide:

  “They have put me in such a crisis… I’m rocking a ponytail on your show because I’m in disarray with my team being the nine seed…” (12:44)

• On Dallas’ future:

  “Dallas could manipulate the heck out of this draft.” (17:02, Colin Cowherd)

• On Bears’ offense:

  “They have a real offensive identity. Packers don’t. Eagles don’t. Steelers don’t. Cleveland doesn’t. I think they have a chance to win the division.” (19:18, Colin Cowherd)

• On Giants hiring a coordinator:

  “New York is not… let’s give another coordinator a shot. It’s too loud, too much pressure.” (39:19, Colin Cowherd)

• On conspiracy against young QBs:

  “Coaches are not trying to pick the quarterback that will be less successful for them… That’s not the way it works.” (54:20, Colin Cowherd)

• Nick on NFL parity:

  “I think… you can credibly make a case for maybe 12 teams could win the Super Bowl…” (14:19)

• Nick, on his Chiefs fandom lows:

  “When they picked up that play, that last first down, I said the Chiefs just lost... I grabbed my dog, I grabbed 75 cents… I bought a Lucy cigarette and smoked it and thought about all the people I had to contact… That’s what I thought about.” (26:39–27:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Colin’s Opening Thoughts/Herd Hierarchy: 03:59–12:31
• Chiefs Dynasty Discussion w/ Nick Wright: 12:32–15:22, 25:40–27:43
• Cowboys' State of the Union: 15:22–18:54
• Bears/NFC North Debate: 18:54–22:34
• NBA LeBron/Lakers Exit: 22:34–25:40
• QB/Coach Fit (Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson): 35:02–38:32
• Giants Coaching Search – Shula?, McCarthy?: 38:32–41:23
• James Franklin Hired by Virginia Tech: 41:46–43:38
• Judgment issues w/ Shadour Sanders: 49:38–55:35

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Summary

This episode of The Herd provides a fast-paced, candid look at the tightly packed NFL playoff race in 2025 through Colin’s weekly top 10, widely regarded as the most competitive and unpredictable in years. The Chiefs’ fate draws particular scrutiny, with Nick Wright delivering both critique and cathartic lamentations. Lively as always, Cowherd and guests analyze major franchises (Cowboys, Bears), debate coaching fits for faltering programs, and scrutinize young quarterbacks’ challenges in meeting coach expectations. Sports fans get equal doses of detailed assessment, bold predictions, and memorable storytelling.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Here we go. It's our two. It is a Tuesday, fresh off an impressive Dallas Cowboy win had their young defensive players back. Quinn and Williams looked like the All Pro he was with Robert Sala. I'm telling you man, it was another escape from New York success story. It just shows what a toxic work environment can do to athletes and employees. Everybody's good when they leave. Darnold succeeds when they leave. Go look at Darnold's numbers. Numbers at Carolina, Minnesota and the Seahawks be like, oh, that's a franchise guy. New York numbers come right back down.

[Sports Analyst]

So whatever, take your shots now my friend. Go ahead, get them all in.

[Colin Cowherd]

I will say in all the years I've been doing herd hierarchy, this there is the smallest gap from the best team in the league to number 10. The smallest gap ever. I think the 10th best team could beat the number one team. I don't have any doubt in my mind that's what we have. That's by the way, what Adam Silver wants the NBA to be like. You just you're not sure who is the best team. You think it's the last champion and then you get to the playoffs and they get knocked out. I kind of feel that's what we have right now. Here we go. Our herd hierarchy.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Herd hierarchy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Time is now.

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Let's go.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think arguably the most talented athletic team in the league is Seattle and I'll put them at 10 because they have the most giveaways in the league. But they were going for a game winning kick against the Rams in LA and they had four picks. They have the best point differential in the nfc. They don't have a real gap in their team other than the giveaways. JSN is the highest graded receiver according to pff. They've allowed the fewest sacks on offense. They got playmakers everywhere on both sides of the ball. They can run it with power, so if they get a lead, they can close out the clock. They make too many mistakes, but they are a great number 10 team that was going for a winning kick against the Rams. On a day on the road. They had four picks. Number 10, Seattle.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Number nine again, Kansas City.

[Colin Cowherd]

I like them. They have the second most efficient scoring offense behind the Colts in pro football. They're not good on the road. They have struggled on the road because they're just not talented enough. Now that Chris Jones is not playing in an elite level, the defense isn't as intimidating. They're really good and they've got a good coach. I don't think Mahomes right now is playing like Josh Allen, but again, I like their weapons, I like their team. If they beat Indy, I think they're a playoff team. I think this weekend's a big deal. I'm a little surprised they're a three point favorite. I guess the game's at home, but I have Kansas City at nine, number eight. My coaching staff of the year in the NFL is San Francisco. I don't know how Robert Sala is doing it. By the way, they're 7 and 0 when they hold their opponents under 25. But Brock Purdy, George Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, Jennings. Here comes Ricky Pearsall. The band's back together and the O line has been better than I've given it credit for. Again, they're a little Christian McCaffrey dependent. Leads in yards, leads in carries, leads in catches. But they're now healthy. They're dangerous. And I think their coaching staff has been doing it with smoke and mirrors and now they've got like elite players back.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Number seven, Buffalo.

[Colin Cowherd]

And they drive me crazy. But I will say this, they lead the NFL in offensive touchdowns and they average 6.3 yards of play, which is second in the NFL. And I think that matters a lot. Josh Allen is playing at another level again like San Francisco. They can be one player dominant on offense, don't trust their defense. But I really believe in all the years I've been doing hurt hierarchy, the difference between Seattle and the number one team is about four points. I'll put them at seven.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Number six.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think the Colts would beat him if they played probably in Indy. Maybe not in Buffalo, but against the number one scoring offense. Only team in the league scoring on over 50% of their drives. They have the fewest punts in the NFL. They're off a buy. I think Kansas City is going to have their hands full. I buy them now. Do I think Daniel Daniel Jones presents a ceiling? Absolutely. We're. We're not in January today. Right now that's a top six roster in the NFL. And I said it last year and I've said this about Cleveland. If you gave Cleveland a really good coach, go look at Cleveland's roster. They got dudes. They got a lot of dudes. Indy's roster is elite and now they're getting competent. Plus quarterback play. Number five, the Ravens. When Lamar plays. They're averaging 29 a game. Four game winning streak since the week seven by Listen, their defense now is healthy and playing better. They have playmakers on both sides. Again, this herd hierarchy, we're doing it. It's November, it's not January. Do I trust them then?

[Sports Show Host (Covino or Rich)]

No.

[Colin Cowherd]

Their next three games. Jets, Bengals, Steelers. So the winning streak is going to continue. Don't take too much out of a close game against Cleveland. Number one. Cleveland's defense at home is outrageous. And it was their third straight road game. I like this team a lot. Baltimore five.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Number four.

[Colin Cowherd]

But I think in a neutral field I take the Patriots, the only undefeated team on the road. Three and one against winning teams. An incredibly efficient team. Their defense in nine straight games has held people to 23 points or under. Vrabel deserves credit. He went and spent almost $300 million in free agency. But he spent it on character. Guys, defense, tough guys in physicality. They have an identity. They're a tough, physical team with a quarterback that's completing 72% of his throw efficiency wins. Post Thanksgiving. New England four.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Number three.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't know what to do with Philly. They're not good when Lane Johnson's out. But they are 24 and three in their last 27 games and they're just dynamite. In one score games. What are you going to say? Here's the thing that I like about them. They have the best interior D line in the league and it made a huge difference again this weekend against Detroit. You can't get fourth and one on them. They bat down passes constantly. Opposing quarterbacks in the NFL complete 56% of their throws against Philadelphia and it's because they got good corners, active linebackers and two studs on the interior D line.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Number two, Denver.

[Colin Cowherd]

And again, what's the difference between Seattle and Denver if they played tomorrow? A point and a half. That's how close this thing is. Listen, six of their seven games have been decided like the Kansas City game on a drive. Their offense has been held to one touchdown in back to back games. But I do believe, and I said it last year with Kansas City, there is, there are teams that are good in close games. Kansas City last year was great in close game. Denver this year is great in close games. I don't think it's like fumbles that it's random. It usually comes down to an, an elite play designer and play caller and a quarterback who's good late in games. On final drive. That was Mahomes last year. That's, that's Bonix this year. But they are a heavily penalized team. So they beat themselves. They've got almost, you know, 900 penalty yards and they've trailed in all 11 games. But you are what your record is there too. Number one, the Rams are the cleanest team in the league. Second year in a row, fewest penalties. They don't make any mistakes. They're Seattle without the mistakes. They're Denver without the penalties. So I'm really rewarding them. I don't think they're the most dynamic offense. Although I will say Devonte Adams is on a heater. He is on a heater. He has become the touchdown guy, not Puka. So I do think there is value in the Rams not being as flashy or, or as a dynamic as other teams. They don't get penalized, they don't turn it over. You can't get the 27 points on them. You can't get the 24 points on them. That's my top 10. And I think the difference between 1 and 8, 9 and 10 is about 4 points and that's about it. I think it's really. I got green bay at 11. I, I mean it's, I think Green Bay is struggling with our identity. I have, I have The Bears at 12, Green Bay at 11. Coin flip if they played tomorrow, home team would win. Nick Wright is joining us. First things first. Yeah, I mean, I, you could say I'm selling the chief stock. I'm. I'm not.

[Nick Wright]

I, I think you sold it in the off season. You've declared this dynasty dead twice in the last three months. And in the middle of that, you declared them far and away the best team in the league. So I gotta tell you, I'm not. Listen, I am not here today to crow about the Chiefs. They have put me in such a crisis that I'm rocking a ponytail on your show because I'm in disarray with my team being the nine seed and I'm looking at tiebreakers against the Jags like a true poverty franchise when I'm used to looking up paths to the one seed. So I'm not in a good spot. And I was dead wrong about the game last week. But you have been a fickle beast when it comes to this Chiefs team this year. And I, the team you have number two, who again outplayed Kansas City, deserve to win. They were better, but you have them as the number two team in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Last week weren't you trading their quarterback like, like, were you that down on Bo Nicks a week ago that he was maybe on his way out and now he's the number. They're the number two team in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think this is what Adam Silver's NBA is, which is there's about eight teams that could all, if they're healthy and got a call in a Game 6 of a series. This is what the NFL truly wants. They don't want Kansas City and Belichick dominating Lee. It's all smushed in the middle. And I, I feel this way with college football outside of Ohio State. And I mean, I think the Rams are the cleanest good team in the league. But I wouldn't be shocked if they, if they lost a Philly Detroit Seattle if they played him again in the playoffs.

[Nick Wright]

So this is where I will agree with you. More so this year than any year, honestly, of Mahomes, his whole career. This, you know, post Brady NFL, not post Brady Patriots era. I think, Colin, you can credibly make a case for maybe 12 teams could win the super bowl because the entirety of your hierarchy, I think could win. You can make a case they can win the Super Bowl. You certainly can include the packers as a team that can win the Super Bowl. And I know, listen, I know there's a team that's not even sniffing your top 10 that has seven wins and according to some, it's the greatest coach quarterback combo maybe in NFL history. And the Chargers. So they obviously have got, you know, just Joe Alt comes back the most important player in the history of pro football. And like they'd have to be on there as well. But I agree with you. I think a third of the league like feels this morning they can win the championship. I agree with that.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, you know, it's interesting with the Cowboys, I said last night, in the last four years I've had a good year betting football, but it's hard week to week, you don't know. But the one thing I really feel good about is every year I go out and I give you two teams that are going to be better than everybody thinks. So this year it was New England and it was Seattle. Last year it was Denver and Washington. The year before it was, I think I picked the Rams. It's the everybody thought rebuild. And I'm like, no, McVeigh, Stafford, they don't rebuild. I have said this, if you're honest about Dallas. So last night's a prime example where their second round pick who's really good, came back kid, a kid, another kid came back, they had all the kids playing and Quinn and Williams, like anybody that leaves the jets looked like great again. That's what happens with everybody that leaves the jets, including coaches. They look competent. And I said, here's why I bought the Cowboy stock. They stole George Pickens. Let's give Jerry credit. That was a great move. He is a great. Okay, I got a quarterback, a running back, an ascending O line full of kids. Weapons are fine, don't love the coach. But in a sport where seven teams are desperate for a quarterback going into the off season, quarterback is always overdrafted. This year, no exception. Dallas is one of the only teams, the Rams the other, that has two first round picks and doesn't have to draft the quarterback. Dallas could manipulate the heck out of this draft. Move down, move down, move down. My take is Dallas is not the Titans, the Jets, the Raiders. They're not that they're closer to.

[Nick Wright]

I totally agree with you.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay.

[Nick Wright]

Oh, listen, I think that they are if you're talking about for next season. Yeah, I think next season they're an interesting team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

I think this season the NFC is too good in the middle for them to be able to claw their way out of four or five and one. I just. Because you the. As far as making the playoffs this year, I believe that ship has sailed. And you don't get the Raiders every week. But I agree with you entirely that this could be a very intriguing team next season in what seems like it's going to perpetually be an underachieving NFC East. Like, I don't think that next year the Giants are all of a sudden going to be really good. And I don't. It doesn't feel to me like the Commanders are nearly as close as people thought. Obviously, Philly will be excellent. We would assume, you know, they have the bones to be excellent every single year because of what they built there. The one caveat I would have is the George Jerry. It feels inevitable that the drama du jour of this off season for Jerry will be the George Pickens negotiation. And as talented as he is, I would have a little bit of anxiety about giving that player real long term guaranteed money because of his, let's call it colorful history on being able to, you know, stay within the dotted lines. But no, I agree with you that I think the Cowboys are probably closer for next season than people give them credit. But I just, I think because of what the Bears and Niners are doing as a fight for that final playoff spot that they don't have any real hope of getting back into it this season. Like, I just think that's too far behind.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's interesting about the Bears. Now that I spend a lot of time in Chicago, there's almost, there's almost fear. Like, oh, the schedule, oh, it gets really tough. And I showed people, I said their next five games. They play five teams that don't know what they are offensively. Packers, twice, Eagles, Cleveland, I mean, these are, these are good teams in Pittsburgh.

[Nick Wright]

Steelers, they don't.

[Colin Cowherd]

Chicago is flawed. But Nick, second in the NFL and rush attempts, second in rushing. They know exactly what they are. They're a big play offense, number one big play. And they run the heck out of the ball. So they're flawed. They have too many penalties. They're stop and start. But the Bears know they have a real offensive identity. Packers don't. Eagles don't. Steelers don't. Cleveland doesn't. I think they have a chance to win the division. That's what I see. What do you. Wow.

[Nick Wright]

Wow. So that's a, that's a part commentary on the Bears, but that's also a part indictment on the Lions and the Packers. To me, like the saying that they can win the division. So I, let me respond. I didn't expect that because I thought to me, Bears, Bears fans right now are just saying, can we please make the Playoffs even though they're in first in the division. And I do have to say I thought their win this Sunday was one of the most, I don't want to say depressing wins, but needing a final drive magic to pull one out of the fire against a J.J. mcCarthy led Vikings offense that could do nothing all game and almost losing to them in the same fashion as you did in week one would have been devastating. But they listen, Caleb's been clutch late and so and even though he wasn't very good over the course of that game and 7 and 3 to your point is 7 and 3. I've got to think, Colin, that the Lions will get it together and that they won't look like they did against the Eagles against many other teams now I don't really believe in the packers and I think the packers game against the Giants it felt like man, if Jackson Dart were healthy, would the packers have lost that game?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

So I do think that in the nfc, Philly and Tampa and the Rams are obviously going to the playoffs. I believe Seattle is also. I know they just lost. This game is pretty obviously going to the playoffs. It is really interesting to me how the NFC north plus the Niners is going to shake out because it feels to me with respect to the Panthers like there are three spots available for Lions, Packers, Bears and San Francisco. And San Francisco just seems like it's already dealt with its injuries and they're still right in the thick of it. So which of them.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now? I think we lost Nick Wright. We'll try to get him back. Yeah, I, I, I okay, go finish it up. Nick. We just lost.

[Nick Wright]

I don't know what happened. I'm just, Sorry, I was just saying I don't which of the NFC north teams is going to be left without a chair right now given how they've played? I think Green Bay is where my money would be. Which would be so disappointing to trade two first rounders for Micah and then to win week one the way they did if they missed the playoffs, that's devastating.

[Colin Cowherd]

I want to end with an NBA thought so the Lakers have new owners and these new owners that took over the Dodgers have moved off. Manny Machado, Trey Turner, Cody Bellinger, Corey Seeger, these are great players. I mean Seer's the best. Texas Ranger, Trey Turner won the National League batting crown. They moved off Zach Grinke at some point. Luca, J.J. redick are the future the coach and the star. And Austin Reeves is Rob Pelinka's find so that, you know, GMs they want to validate their choices. And Austin's played his butt off. How do you exit the LeBron business without offending Rich Paul, LeBron James, his legacy? Because these new owners have proven with the Dodgers they'll move off batting champs, elite players at key positions. It is about a handful of bets. Freeman, stars in their prime. They don't want old stars. They don't want people off injuries. How do you exit the LeBron Laker situation with dignity for both?

[Nick Wright]

Well, listen, I think you are accelerating a process that's going to come to a natural conclusion. So here is. So I just fundamentally disagree with the idea. I'm not saying it's necessarily your idea, but the idea that adding LeBron James to any team in the league somehow could be bad. Like that LeBron, who last year was somewhere from the sixth to the ninth best player in the whole sport, that adding dropping him on a team will screw things up when he's been one of the most malleable superstars in league history. And we saw him last year, as soon as Luka got there, he played off the ball more and was excellent. So I think this year this fit will work. Now, are they good enough to beat the Thunder? Probably not. Is anybody? Probably not. And then after this season, Colin, if he wants to play another year, I think it's very on the board that he does it. You know, maybe a final stop in Cleveland, maybe he looks out east if he wants to do a true Farewell tour. But LeBron James is going to be a Laker this season. I think that is pretty clear. And I think the Lakers want him to be a Laker this season. As good as they've been these first 14 games, that team we saw these 14 games is not good enough to win the championship. I don't know that adding LeBron makes them good enough. It probably doesn't, but it gives them a chance. And without him, that team can't win three rounds in the west to get to the Finals. We'll see if they can with him, but I don't think it's going to be a messy exit. I think LeBron's going to play out his contract as he has with every contract he's ever had, and then survey the landscape.

[Colin Cowherd]

For the record, just 30 seconds left. Circling back when the Chiefs lose to drop to 5 and 5. What's it like to be around Nick Wright in your house in New York?

[Nick Wright]

It's not great, Colin. It's. I mean, it was you. Listen, I'm not a. I'm not like an Angry. I don't like yell at people or you know, like, like take, you know, hit the dog or something crazy. But my wife and daughter see the life drain from my eyes a bit. My wife, you know, I think is maybe the next day more than she normally does, checking our joint banking account and like, oh, it's a lot less than there was in there before. And you know, that I occasionally, yeah, I shouldn't, but you know, indulge in a loose cigarette or two. Yeah, I, you know, so I'll tell you exactly what happened and then I'll go. When they picked up that second and six to get it to the 20 yard line, I still to this moment have not seen the field goal. When they picked up that play, that last first down, I said, the Chiefs just lost. I'll be back. I grabbed my dog, I grabbed 75 cents out of our little change thing. I walked down to the bodega, I bought a Lucy cigarette and I smoked it and was very, very. And then I thought about all the people I had to contact to tell them how I'm going to make payment. That's what I thought. That's what I thought about. So that was it. But you know what? High highs, low lows. I don't, I don't do emotional hedges. I do the opposite. And I understand that the Chiefs dynasty is dead in the water and Patrick Mahomes is looking up at Bo Nix. Lot of season left. Lot of season left is all I'm going to say. Great to see you, Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Nick Wright. Yeah, those. Listen, it was, it was close. Like last two years, all the Chiefs games. It's close. They were just winning them last year and not this year. Live in Chicago, it's the Herd.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Even a little harder.

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[e-mail] Disclosures in sports and in life, timing is everything. You can have the right talent, the right mindset, even the right team. But if you don't act at the right moment, the opportunity slips away. That's true on the field, and it's true when it comes to your health. If you or someone you care about is facing metastatic prostate cancer, there's a treatment called Plavicto Lutetium Lu177 vapivotide tetraxitan. It's not chemotherapy. It works differently by targeting PSMA positive cells, including prostate cancer cells. Pluvicto is a prescription treatment used to treat adults with prostate specific membrane antigen positive metastatic castration resistant prostate cancer or PSMA positive MCRPC who have already been treated with hormone therapy and are considered appropriate to delay chemotherapy. Pluvicto involves contact with radioactivity, which may increase the risk for cancer and cause fetal harm. Patients are advised to drink plenty of fluids, urinate often, use contraception and talk to their doctor about how to reduce the risk of exposing others to radiation during and after treatment. It can also cause low levels of blood cell counts, kidney problems and infertility. If you experience weakness, pale skin, shortness of breath, bleeding or bruising more easily an infection or changes in urination, talk to your doctor. Side effects include decreased blood cell counts, tiredness, dry mouth, nausea, appetite loss, joint or back pain and constipation. Here's the bottom line. This isn't just about treatment. It's about making the most of the time you have time to be with the people who matter, time to keep showing up for the moments that count. So if you or someone you love is in this fight, ask your doctor about Pluvicto. Because in sports and in life, the best players don't just react. They anticipate. They prepare. They act. Visit pluvicto.com to learn more. That's P L U V I c t o.com Thursday Night Football is on.

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[Colin Cowherd]

College basketball starts up NBA College football. Where's Lane Kiffin gonna go? A lot of things hanging in the balance. It does feel like the NFL and college football outside of maybe Ohio State feels everybody's a field goal away from beating everybody else at the top of the NFL and college football food chains again. I think Ohio State has become receiver. You they're so explosive and their defense is elite. They, they don't. It's, it's, it feels somewhere between a Saturday and a Sunday defense. It's not an NFL defense, but they've got multiple guys that can go. I mean they could have two of the top six picks on defense going to college football corner and a linebacker and they look every part of it. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

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[Sports Analyst]

Colin, you love that Jalen hurts scuttlebutt in Philly so much. First hour, we found another one for you, but it involves Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson. Listen, I know they're 7 and 3 and on top the NFC north, but according to your favorite media outlet, the Athletic, an opposing defensive coach believes Caleb's style of play does not work well with Ben Johnson's offensive style. Adding he believes Johnson is frustrated with Caleb because he doesn't play on time and is uncontrollable. Colin, I know, I know you're excited about Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson and the first place Bears. I'm just telling you right now, enjoy it while it lasts because this is not, this is not how it's going to end up. They're not going to be first place this season and this Ben Johnson, Caleb stuff is going to continue to percolate.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well. I think Ben Johnson, like a Shanahan has a structure that he wants his quarterback to play within and there's always been a little give and take on that is that, you know, that's why he loves Brock Purdy, because Brock Purdy comes at a reasonable price and is going to do what Kyle says. But Kyle doesn't have any Super Bowls. Right. And has kind of had them in his grasp and they, and they in the fourth quarter and they can't seal it. So I think this is a position that a lot of coaches deal with. A lot of offensive coaches have a certain structure but they want you to make like I said that this weekend. Matt Stafford is more play call reliant. If the initial play doesn't work, he's not going to move around and make something happen like Josh Allen. Sam Darnold is less play call reliant. He'll go to a second and third option athletically but you get more mistakes. So I think all these offensive coaches, it's a little bit of, I mean, I think Bo Nick should run more. Sean Payton doesn't want him to run more. I think he should. So I, I think when you get a quarterback who is so gifted, this is the push and pull of coaching him. It's not ideal. He will play out of structure. I thought two weeks ago when he ran for a touchdown to win at home, I thought there were. Cole Comet was open, he should have thrown the ball but they got a touchdown. So I just think this is part and parcel to having a gifted athletic quarterback.

[Sports Analyst]

So some of the more advanced stats, I know that some of the counting stats look okay for Caleb, but some of the more advanced stats, success rate EPA per play. He's like below 25. Colin Caleb is not as efficient as the 73 record indicates. I do think at some point they'll have a wake up call. I don't know if it's this weekend because this Pittsburgh team, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm very low on them. Yeah, I do like the Bears here. I just think just keep an eye on Caleb and Ben. I'm not saying this could be McVeigh and Goff. Remember how McVay moved off golf and got the guy he wanted. But I wonder if Ben, if this keeps up, you know, this is first year, maybe second year if it's still going.

[Colin Cowherd]

If you, if you watch Ben Johnson's body language in games, he gets frustrated. Yeah, I didn't think Mike McDonald was frustrated with Sam Darnold despite the four picks. That's not what his body language said. He was running the plays, he was trying to make plays. It was, you know, a third down. You've got to throw. You're behind the sticks. You're, you're not in a Good space. I think you can see Ben's frustration on a pretty regular basis with Caleb, and I think that's totally fair. Watch the coach. Watch his body language. I thought Sean Payton, three weeks ago, his body language was not great with Bo Nicks. I think the last two weeks has been much better, 100%.

[Sports Analyst]

All right, let's move on to the New York Giants. Interesting report over the weekend from Jay Glazer. Obviously, he's plugged in with a lot of teams. NFL Insider. And there's speculation. I think you've mentioned Lane Kiffin's name. I think you mentioned Mike McCarthy. Well, Jay Glazer has an interesting name. I haven't seen this out there anywhere. Take a listen.

[Jay Glazer]

But also a name who's starting to really pop up. We talked about the game earlier, Chris Shula, who is the defensive coordinator for the Rams. But I'll tell you this, of all the coaches that Sean McVay has kind of pushed along to be a new head coach, the next head coach, he's done more with Chris Shula than all of them combined. These two guys are best friends. They went to college together. But he lets him in on everything. Where he may not have done that with everybody else, he does with Shula. He thinks he's gonna be a star.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. I don't want to go again. Who succeeded in New York? Parcells, Pat Riley, Tibbs, Joe Torrey, Tom Coughlin. What are they proven? Winning head coaches. Assistants go to New York to die. Coordinators go to New York to die. Tom Coughlin won at bc. He won a. Jacksonville. He won in New York. Joe, Tory, Bill Parcells. I mean, have you.

[Jay Glazer]

You, you.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, even Rex. I mean, I. I'm sorry. To me, New York is not. Let's give another coordinator a shot. It's too loud. It's. There's too much pressure. And they don't have a good enough team right now to win on the margins.

[Sports Analyst]

That's kind of an interesting take. My only thing is he's a defensive guy with McVeigh. Right. If you want to pick from the McVeigh tree. What makes the McVeigh so special is his offense. I know the defense is playing good this year. Do you think the Giants now, maybe they say, hey, we tried day bowl and offense didn't work. We need a defense culture guy. This is a McVeigh culture guy with defense.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, Raheem Morris and Brandon Staley did wonders with the Rams defense as head coaches.

[Sports Analyst]

How they do.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I mean, I just. First of all, your hit Rate on Vrabel, Sean Payton and Jim Harwell was going to be 100. Nobody doubted they'd be good. Week one, your hit rate on Mike McCarthy will be 100. That you will win games with Mike. Not saying Super Bowls. Mike McCarthy becomes a coach, you're going to win nine plus games. That's his history. If he has a serviceable B plus quarterback, your hit rate on coordinators winning at all is 50%. Just do the math. Do the math. Mike McCarthy is what wins in New York. Somebody that's been there. He's dealt with meddling, Jerry Jones, the no ownership, packers and Aaron Rodgers. He's dealt with a lot of stuff.

[Sports Analyst]

And the other problem is, if you get a defensive guy as a head coach, Colin, you know this. The offensive coordinator's got to be a hit. Well, guess what happens when he's a hit. He goes and becomes a head coach.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Sports Analyst]

So as soon as he has a good year with Dart, the OC is going to be out to a head coaching job. And then you're starting all over. I, I'm sure Shula's done a great job. I just don't know that's the direction I'd take it. Final story, college football. Big, big signing at head coach. Yes. The Virginia Tech Hokies. You know, I went to Virginia Tech for two years. They landed James Franklin, who was recently cut loose by Penn State.

[Colin Cowherd]

Great hire for them.

[Sports Analyst]

Oh, that's an amazing hire. Now, there's reports from, you know, some of my Virginia Tech friends that Franklin was waiting to see if any bigger jobs were interested in him. And that's why he was stringing along. Virginia Tech finally said yes. This has been in the works for weeks. Yeah, but what's interesting, Colin, he was due 49 mil from Penn State in his buyout, so he negotiated a $9 million lump sum payment. So he gets $9 million and goes and gets to coach. Now listen, you're a man well renowned. Everybody knows you, Colin. $49 million to walk away and he's instantly jumping back to coaching. That is a little crazy. $49 million you could do a lot with, okay? You could retire, you could go buy islands. You know, why is he going back into coaching?

[Colin Cowherd]

Because he's in his prime as a man and he doesn't want to go all day. I mean, I, I, I, when you're in your prime, you want to work. Yeah, we're workers. That's what we'll offer me.

[Sports Analyst]

49 million.

[Sophie Cunningham]

See?

[Sports Analyst]

See what I, I, I'll probably still.

[Colin Cowherd]

Want to work, you know, everybody. I mean, I, I think again, it's, it's what I mean, James Franklin, first of all, he recruits that area.

[Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

So he, to him, he looked at it and he's like, I'm not going to coach West. He doesn't have any history there. He doesn't want to go back to the south, perhaps. Nor is he getting offers. His take is what's going to be open. Well, this is probably, I mean, this is not a top 10 job, is it a top 18 job?

[Sports Analyst]

Top 15, 20, top 25, whatever. But here's the thing. He doesn't have to face all these top five teams all the time. That's his only kryptonite. Franklin's a great coach. He just struggled against the elites, right. Ohio State, Michigan, like he struggled against them. So what? He's going to be a home run at Virginia Tech. I'll personally guarantee you they're in the playoff within three years. Or maybe I'll do a crazy, crazy bet like shaving something in the side of my head. Yeah. But I would say within three years, James Franklin is going to have Virginia Tech on the right path.

[Colin Cowherd]

They'll have NFL players. He's a great recruiter. You watch Penn State play Indiana. Go watch the second half of Penn State. Indiana, they got dudes. That's all his players. They dominated for most of the second half. They dominated Indiana. Indiana went to Austin and dominated Oregon for three hours. Penn State, all those, all those recruits from James Franklin, they had a backup quarterback and they, they marched up and down the field on Indiana. So whoever gets the Penn State job, you're getting pros. They're Sunday guys all over that roster. Oh, yeah, J. Mac with the news.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Breaking news. Not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones, it's funny and uplifting. Podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good. Each episode features real stories of kindness, of barbers changing more than just their client's haircut, of the secret life, of leftover hotel soap, of vending machines that dispense just the help somebody needs, like magic. If you're tired of outrage, if your thumbs are sore from doom scrolling, or if you just need a reason to smile again. This podcast is your new favorite Scroll Break. It's heartfelt, hopeful, a gentle reminder. Goodness is still out there. Surprisingly contagious too. So put down your phone, pick up your faith in humanity and join Jenna for the Ripple Effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. Listen to the ripple effect on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Colin Cowherd]

In life, timing is everything. You can have the right talent, the right mindset, even the right team. But if you don't act at the right moment, the opportunity slips away. That's true on the field, and it's true when it comes to your health. If you or someone you care about is facing metastatic prostate cancer, there's a treatment called plavicto lutetium LU 177 vapivotide tetraxitan. It's not chemotherapy. It works differently by targeting PSMA positive cells, including prostate cancer cells. Pluvicto is a prescription treatment used to treat adults with prostate specific membrane antigen positive metastatic castration resistant prostate cancer or PSMA positive MCRPC who have already been treated with hormone therapy and are considered appropriate to delay chemotherapy. Pluvicto involves contact with radioactivity, which may increase the risk for cancer and cause fetal harm. Patients are advised to drink plenty of fluids, urinate often, use contraception and talk to their doctor about how to reduce the risk of exposing others to radiation during and after treatment. It can also cause low levels of blood cell counts, kidney problems and infertility. If you experience weakness, pale skin, shortness of breath, bleeding or bruising more easily an infection or changes in urination, talk to your doctor. Side effects include decreased blood cell counts, tiredness, dry mouth, nausea, appetite loss, joint or back pain and constipation. Here's the bottom line. This isn't just about treatment. It's about making the most of the time. You have time to be with the people who matter. Time to keep showing up for the moments that count. So if you or someone you love is in this fight, ask your doctor about Pluvicto. Because in sports and in life, the best players don't just react. They anticipate. They prepare. They act. Visit pluvicto.com to learn more. That's P L U V I c t o.com Thursday Night Football is on.

[Sports Show Host (Covino or Rich)]

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[Sports Analyst]

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[Colin Cowherd]

So I was thinking about this J Max so every Monday I do calling right Colin wrong. And I I've been I had the Seahawks as a good team this year. New England, my blazing five picks probably as hot as I've ever been. You were 5 0. I was 5 0. I was thinking during the break what is the most wrong I have been so far this year? Like like way off.

[Sports Analyst]

You have the Chiefs number one in the Herd hierarchy a few weeks ago.

[Colin Cowherd]

But that's, that's week to week that I'm talking about a big macro topic.

[Sports Analyst]

Okay.

[Sports Show Host (Covino or Rich)]

All right.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think the most wrong I've been was Shador Sanders. I thought Shador Sanders was at worst a mid second round quarterback. I watched him this weekend and he was fine. He wasn't very good, but, you know, he did a spin move I thought was clever and he threw a ball to the end zone that could have been caught. It wasn't, but it was a great throw. I think it was fine. What's interesting, what I find, and it's really weird who we pick and choose to be loyal to. Like, there's this group of people out there they really believe and I'm not. I mean, this is the conspiratorial nature of the country. They really believe that there is a conspiracy inside the building against him. So Kevin Stefanski needs to win games. These are really good jobs. He's making 7 million a year, whatever he makes. Why would you conspire to play a worse quarterback? You want. I mean, I think this is from people that have never made, maybe had a great job. When you have them, you don't conspire against yourself. There's not very. There's 32 coaching jobs in the NFL. They all pay like seven and a half million up. You would never do anything to get in the way of winning. Now. Coaches make mistakes, personnel mistakes. Go. You never try to lose. Now, there are times if you have a early contract or you're safe, you may say to yourself, you know, I wouldn't mind getting the number one pick in a draft to get Andrew Luck or something. Like, I get that we're not going to play Peyton Manning those last four games. Like, I understand that sort of institutional collective decision, but just think about how ridiculous it is. Like, I watched Dylan Gabriel and over the last two to three weeks, he had stabilized the offense. He's not great, he's not big, but he wasn't throwing picks. Multiple touchdown games. With that defense, you're like, you know, Cleveland's not. They're a tough out, especially at home. Yeah. And you watch Shador and Shadour does two things that Dylan Gabriel doesn't. He runs backwards. Coaches hate that, especially offensive coach. Yeah, Shador, that was a. I always say when your college problem becomes your NFL problem, it's just who you are. Like, Shador in college ran backwards. Shador in the NFL, watching him runs backwards. It's who he is. I've said this with Caleb Caleb Spotty. Accuracy. College Bears. Two different coaches in college, two different coaches in the pros. He's not that accurate.

[Jay Glazer]

Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's who he is. So he's got to be a big play guy and have the right play caller in a run game. So. But this, it's so weird to me that people think that the NFL, all these GMs and coaches, they're all half the league is desperate for quarterbacks either the year of the draft or any year that they all just kept passing on Shador.

[Sports Analyst]

Well, it's weird. He wasn't great 4 of 16, yet he had a drive at the end of the game. Colin. To maybe tie it up and send it to overtime. Like he did a couple of things. I'm definitely not defending him. I think at one point he was 2 of 14. But you know what? On on Sunday Night Football, Jared Goff went through a stretch where he was one of 14.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst]

Like it can be tough.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's right.

[Sports Analyst]

I'm not comparing Shador to golf.

[Jay Glazer]

I'm just.

[Sports Analyst]

Yeah, no, I'm first half of NFL action.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, no, no, no. I, I, I'm again, this is what we do for a living. I'm not for him or against him. I think when you get two speeding tickets over 90 in camp, it's not ideal. It bad judgment. I think putting legendary in your draft room. Don't. That's just bad judgment. By the way, intentionally bombing interviews, bad judgment. He's so nice. And by the way, running backwards bad judgment. He's got a judgment issue. It's not a size issue. It's not an arm strength issue. It's not, I mean, those aren't the issues. The kid has Series of series of series of bad judgment. Running backwards. Legendary speeding tickets. You know.

[Sports Analyst]

You want to guess what the spread is for the Browns at the Raiders on Sunday? Let me call it up here.

[Colin Cowherd]

Cleveland at the Raiders. Raiders favored by two.

[Sports Analyst]

Interesting. I'm seeing three, three and a half. I would probably take the points there with Shador. It's early. We need to see if Shador is even starting. Could be Gabriel, but given the concussion, usually the quarterback's out the next week.

[Colin Cowherd]

But isn't it remarkable this some of the stuff. I don't know what happened in America. And I think maybe it's just the explosion of social media and, and you go on social media and everybody can find their weird friend group. Like if you're a conspiracy theorist, then you're going to find people that will amplify that. Your tribe you'll find your tribe on the Internet. And so but it's like folks, coaches are not trying to pick the quarterback that will be less successful for them. That's not the way it works. And when you watch what Dylan Gabriel does, you can see why a coach would like it. He doesn't run backwards. He stabilized the offense. He doesn't throw a lot of picks. He gets rid of the ball quickly. Shador holds it. He runs backwards. His judgment isn't great, but I do think he's got talent. But it's, it's just the world we live in now. It is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. It's wackadoos all over the Internet. And I don't think it's just a small group of people. I think, I think there's 30% of Brown fans think they're trying to wreck Shadour's career. What in the world, what kind of sense does that make? None.

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Plus the Miami Chief stops by.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Sports Analyst]

Don'T even talk to me.

[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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