← The Herd with Colin Cowherd
The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - College Sports Needs An Attitude Adjustment, Matt Holliday Still Sees Dodgers as Team to Beat
00:42:33
Loading summary
Transcript120 lines
- [00:00]
A
This is an iHeart podcast.
- [00:05]
B
Have you ever looked at a piece of abstract art or music or poetry and thought that's just a bunch of pretentious nonsense? That's exactly what two bored Australian soldiers set out to prove during World War II when they tricked the literary world with their intentionally bad poetry, setting off a major scandal. We break down the truth, the lies, and the poetry in between on Hoax, a new podcast hosted by me. Let's Lizzy Logan and me, Dana Schwartz. Every episode, Hoax explores an audacious fraud or ruse from history. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [00:40]
C
Why are TSA rules so confusing?
- [00:42]
A
You got a hoodie on. Take it all.
- [00:44]
C
I'm Manny. I'm Noah. This is Devin, and we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming at me? I can't expect what to do now. If the rule was the off on.
- [00:59]
A
Me, I deserve it, you know, Lock him up.
- [01:01]
C
Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [01:07]
D
No Such Thing.
- [01:09]
A
Who cares about truth when the lies More entertaining. Welcome home.
- [01:13]
B
I'm Angela R. Co host of the Native Lampod with Andrew Gillum and Tiffany Cross, and we want y' all to survive and thrive in this political moment.
- [01:20]
A
We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.
- [01:23]
B
I'm terrified that in our rest, we're going to miss the moment. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
- [01:34]
A
Listen to Native Land Pod on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [01:41]
D
Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.
- [01:50]
C
San Diego. Coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has.
- [01:54]
A
Been hungry for a men's professional soccer team. We need to embrace this community.
- [02:00]
D
Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [02:11]
A
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
- [02:31]
D
Now, let's get this party started.
- [02:33]
A
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may make it as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd and for the next couple of hours, I want to talk sports with you. So for those of you who are like, hey, Godly, what are you doing now? All right, I'm a college basketball. Oh, that's right. You're college basketball. That's right, yeah. So what's that like? That's what everybody asks. That everybody asks. And, um, I'll share with you a lot if you'd like. And it's. This is, it's a fascinating, fascinating. I don't want to say experiment, but just time of change in all business. Right? I'll give you an example. Okay. It's not just college sports. I think pro sports, especially basketball, is about to change greatly. I'll explain in a second. I think foot. I think NFL football is going to change. I mean, the perfect example is, yes, Archie Manning. Just like Arch Manning. Just like Peyton Manning. Just like. Why am I forgetting Peyton Manning was the two time super bowl champion. Why am I the other Manning? Eli Manning. Sorry. Okay. Gonna stay four years. Not because of nil, but because they believe, much like most people, that the more reps you have, the more ready you are. The more ready you are, the more confidence you have. The more confidence you have, the better you play initially. The better you play initially, the easier it is for you to maintain. You get like a year and a half to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. And if you can't do it as a top pick, then you're out. Right. And you become a career backup or you bounce around chasing checks. You're doing the, the, like the jets quarterback, right? I mean, this is his third team in three years. Justin Fields. Yeah, Justin Fields, third team in three years. Why is that? Because he basically got a year and a half. Bears didn't think he's good enough. They moved on. Goes to the Steelers. Steelers knew he wasn't good enough. Same thing. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. So I think that the Arch Manning thing doesn't have a ton to do with nil or rev share or the money that he's making. Kid was making money as comes from money. Money isn't the driving force, but I do think that the NFL is, is going to change. The draft is so much different now because everybody is older and they're older because they stay in school longer. They stay in school longer because there's not the desperation for the NFL check the way there used to be, which in many ways is a good thing. There are bad things about Nil. There are bad things about compensating athletes, but the fact that they are staying in school longer is not one of them. It is a benefit. Now let's not act like that was the intent of it, okay? No one ever said, hey, you know, once we start paying players, they're going to stay in school longer. Nobody said that. It's an ancillary benefit. Right. It's an unintended consequence, but it is something that happens. So there's a smaller pool of prospects for the NFL draft, but you have more tape on them. On the other hand, they, some of them have played at three or four schools, five schools even. So it's, it's harder to get the background on what type of kid he is if he's only been in a place for six months before he declares for the NFL draft. Right. It's very different. And, and this, this, I believe North Carolina's got 70 new players, Bill Belichick's team, 70 new players. Like they're introducing themselves to each other, like in warm up lines. And my name is Jim. Where are you from? Oklahoma state, mile mater. 65 new players. And you have like 15 padded practices before you play a real football game. 15. Remember, most of these teams don't have spring games. A lot of these players are picked up in the spring, some in the summer, some right before the fall. So you would think your offenses and your defenses might be a little bit more rudimentary. College offenses have never been as ornate as pro offenses. Same thing with defenses. And that may actually regress. Whereas in previous years you would think college offenses were kind of creating things that the NFL copied. So sports is changing. In baseball, the Milwaukee brewers are the talk of Major League Baseball. Right? What do they want in a row? 22 in a row or something? 21 in a row. 12 in a row. I like the 22. It's a better number. It was better. It was better. And we have the greatest sound bite ever. The most Wisconsin thing ever. We'll share with you later on the show. But they won 12 in a row. But the brewers were good last year. Okay, remember this is a Brewers team that lost their manager to their rival, the Cubs. Why? Because Craig Council is like, brewers are awesome. But the likelihood of winning is increased when you go to the Cubs because they have more money. Right. The brewers are built. This is. I've talked to their general manager I've talked to, I've talked to their manager, and they told me that every position player they draft was a shortstop at some point in their lives. Baseball has changed with the pitch clock, but more than anything with the bases, with the lack of shifts. Athleticism is a much bigger part of the game. So they're not just the best team in baseball. They try to build the best, most athletic team in baseball. It's one of the things that's happened to the Yankees going back the past couple years is they were built for a foregone era of just hit home runs or walk or strike out, and now you can manufacture runs. So sports changes in a myriad of ways. And in college sports, it's changed because, well, now we're paying the players, right? Now we're paying the players. And what you find is, and look, I have one full year now in the bank. I got the job at the middle the end of May last year. As you know, the portal opens in March, So I didn't have a full season that way. And not everything that I believe, or maybe even I know is accurate at the highest level, because we are not at the highest level. But I do know on many ways how it operates. So Thomas Hammack is the head coach of Northern Illinois. Okay, what do you remember about Northern Illinois last season they beat Notre Dame, right? Notre Dame beat Texas A and M on the road and they come back home, they get beat by, by, by Northern Illinois. And then Northern Illinois has average season after that. So Northern Illinois, I'm sure, I'm maybe. I'm not sure. I'm guessing it's a tough putt financially for them. Now they're going to join our league in basketball, only basketball and I think Olympic sports starting next year. And the Illinois schools, the non Champaign, Urbana, right, That's the main universe. When you say Illinois, that's the main campus. But they have Eastern Illinois, they have Western Illinois, they have Southern Illinois. The Salukis, they have Northern Illinois. The Huskies, they got different schools, have different financial issues. Western Illinois, ton of financial issues. Like school could close down financial issues in the Wisconsin system, Our school and Madison University of Wisconsin are the only two that are growing. We've gone from like 7, 8, 9,000. We're 12,000 students this year and we're expanding. But all the other University of Wisconsin's stout, Stevens Point, River Falls, even Milwaukee, they're shrinking. So there's a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, okay, how, how do you build a college football, college basketball program when you're trying to have a high retention rate. Bring kids back. Right? Bring kids back every year. Because we all know, like, that's, that's what Purdue has done. That's one of the reasons that he win. Right? Purdue is like the model for college basketball. Yes. They sprinkle in a transfer here, a transfer there. This year, they take in an Israeli point guard to go with maybe the best point guard in the country. They should be really, really good. But the big thing for Purdue is, like, they want their guys to stay. So I want you to listen to something that Thomas Hammack said at a press conference earlier this week. I posted it. It's got over a million views just on my feed alone. So I'm guessing this thing's gone Viral. You're talking 5, 10 million views or something Overall, this is the head coach of Northern Illinois.
- [12:05]
D
I enjoyed my college experience. I didn't get one dime, but the lessons I learned was more valuable than any money you can ever pay me. And I appreciate that because that is long term, people are losing the fact.
- [12:19]
A
That this is short term.
- [12:21]
D
I coached in the National Football League for five years, five years.
- [12:26]
A
Don't lose focus of what the long term.
- [12:29]
D
Get your degree, learn valuable lessons. That's going to help you in a long term of your life.
- [12:35]
A
That's the whole purpose.
- [12:36]
D
This is a transition from being a kid to a grownup. And I hope people don't lose focus of that.
- [12:44]
A
So keep in mind, this is Thomas Hammock, who is an alum of Northern Illinois. Right. He played football there back in the heyday in 99 to 2000, 2002. Then he went to Madison and he got his master's and he started coaching football. And I understand that what happens is the human brain works this way. I hear pick the college coach. You know, when Nick Saban's Coach, he's making $10 million, right? So he makes 10 million. The players make nothing. There's two parts to it. First part is, do I think that at the very, very top of the salary pool, college coaches are overpaid? Yeah. Yeah, probably. But I also think they're CEOs of companies. I'm a CEO of a company. The buck stops here. I have to manage my recruiting budget. Like we, we had. We had to change our black uniforms. But to put in a full set of Adidas uniforms, it's like 2,900 bucks. We had to change uniforms because they're not NCAA compliant. In the, in the chance that we make the NCAA tournament this year, we could only wear the gray uniforms, it's the only ones that were NCAA compliant, so we redid the white ones, but they're like, yeah, we're not gonna wear white in the NCAA tournament anyway. Right? Like, we're not gonna be a, a lower seed than anybody. So in an effort to save money, this is a real thing. We just redid the tops. That's it. So it's 1700 bucks instead of 2900 bucks. Right? And you're like, well, what is that? That affords me a little bit more money. You know, we call back every vendor that we use. We have an analytics company that I think is outstanding, I would love to have. And we got like the Cadillac setup. I had to have an uncomfortable conversation like, hey, we either need to cut this contract or trim it down or figure it out. Why? Because I need that money because I got to compensate players. I got to compensate my coaching staff. Remember Thomas Hammock? You may sit there, think, you know, whatever he makes at Northern Illinois as head coach, he started as a GA at Wisconsin. A ga you're not getting any money, you're simply getting your school paid for. Then he was a running back coach at his alma mater for a year. Then he was with the Minnesota Vikings in the NFL for three years. Right. Starting as the running backs coach and then working a co offensive coordinator, running backs coach. So now he start creeping into the six figures area. Then he coached back at Wisconsin, then he was with the Ravens again as the running back coach for four years. So he has worked since he graduated college in 2002 till now. Okay, this is when he got this head coaching first. Head coaching break was 17 years later. So you're like, oh my gosh, look at how much money Thomas Hammock makes, dude. He worked 17 years to get to that spot. But here's the honest question. And look, this is. Is it some of it recruiting? Yeah. But a lot of it is true. How are we going to have alumni games in college sports? Alumni, what's your alma mater? There's one other thing he didn't calculate in there. He didn't talk about. And you can follow me on Twitter otliebshow. You can see this, the full context of the rant. If you haven't heard it already, we have no value as a society now for getting into college. Getting into college. If you don't know how hard it is to get into college, you haven't had a kid apply for college. Recently. When I was coming out of high school, Tustin High School in Orange county, California, in 1995. The safety to all safety schools. The easiest school to get into in the Cal State system, right? Because you have, like in. In order. You had UC system. That's UC Santa Barbara, ucla, Berkeley, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Then you have the Cal Poly system, a little bit less difficult still. Okay, that's Cal Poly. That's in Pomona. And Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo. That's in San Luis Obispo. Central, Central Coast. Then you have the Cal States, which were easier. And you basically had to graduate like a 2, 5. If you had a pulse, you were getting in San Diego State. And then if you wanted to party, you went to San Diego State. If you wanted to smoke weed, you went to Humboldt or to. What's the other one that's up there? Oh, man, I can't remember. There's two that are way up north, right? And everybody. And you'd say, well, I'm going to major in horticulture. Yeah, we know what you're doing. San Diego State now is unbelievably hard to get into one of the most difficult schools in the country to get into. Why? Their sports, Their basketball team was awesome. And then people like, I could go to school in San Diego. Where do I sign up? Well, it's become like, you get a 4.0 and not get into San Diego State and be an in state. And of course, all the kids out of state want to come in. Why do you want to have more out of state kids come in if you're San Diego State? Because you make more money international. You can charge whatever you want. So there's no calculation or valuation from parents, agents, or people on social media of getting into school. And then the college experience, growing, becoming the dude. He talks about playing time. Like, a lot of these kids, they, hey, if you're going to give me, you know what I make 1.5x of what I make, they'll go and just chase the dollar. And then they realize that's it's the Peter Principle. Do you guys know the Peter Principle is. It's when you're promoted above the level of your competency. If last year you were in the Mac and you were a starter and you transferred to the Big ten, and now you're not a star. You're like, man, I was killing at the Mac. They promised me a chance. They're giving me more money. Like, dude, that's not how it works. You were in the Mac for a reason. And Again, I know J.J. watt came from the Mac and is a Hall of Famer when he transferred and transitioned to a different position and played at Wisconsin. But those stories are outliers. The reality is most guys who leave and most teams leave, that you lose your whole team. Whole team. And I just think it's very easy to say, well, these kids deserve it. Okay, but what, but what do you lose when you leave? What do you lose? You're never going to have your jersey on a wall if you leave, right? You're not. No one's going to retire outside of Shador Sanders. But it's two years of Colorado. No one's going to retire a number of a guy who played there for a year or, you know, as a transfer. That just doesn't happen. That just doesn't happen. And you have to understand where you fit in the salary pool. You know, low level six figures on a high major club in college basketball means you're not going to play. I hope you understand what like, so we, we tell both that, like, you can go take that. That's great. If it's your senior year and Somebody offers you $125,000 to play at name your Power 4 school or the Big east, do you know what that money means? You're not going to play. And that's great. If that's what you want. Hey, I want some money to start me on my professional life. Great. You want to play basketball, you need to have basketball film to then go play. And then the other thing we're doing, and this is more basketball specific, but it's also football specific, we're screwing up the minds of what the market looks like. Let me give you an example, okay? Again, in college basketball, and I know this because this is the world in which I operate in when I'm not hosting the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio, there are lots of players playing college basketball making $250,000. Okay? And again, as I said, $250,000. Maybe you play, maybe you don't. Probably you play. Probably you're a starter now at a Power 4 school at 250 grand. You're not the guy, but you're one of the guys. You get done playing. Hey, remember, the G League doesn't play that. You're not good enough to make the NBA. You go overseas. Hey, I'm going to go overseas. Do you want to know what you make usually when you're playing overseas your first year? Maybe six figures, maybe. So what happens? You get done playing and your agent's Like, I got a deal for you, okay? It's second division. They hear second division, they're like, no, no, no. This is how it works. Second division. Italy, take care of everything, Live on the water. It's great. All bills taken care of. $75,000. Like, I just made $250,000 playing at whatever state university in. Right. We've completely screwed that up. Where $75,000 for a rookie in a two in Italy is a lot of money. It's a great opportunity. And then the idea is every year you stack, you make more, more, more, more, more, more, more. And eventually you hopefully play in a Euroleague team and you make seven figures and you send that money home. So the point is that in everyone's effort to make sure college athletes are compensated, we are screwing up all these different pieces. Valuing getting into school, valuing the actual college experience, valuing in being a dude and having an alma mater, a place to call home, and the market for when they get out of school other than that is a perfect system. Outside of that. Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show? I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. This is the Herd. Do the Padres have a shot at burying the Dodgers over the next week and a half? We'll ask a seven time all star. Next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled.
- [23:28]
D
What the hell are you doing in our studio?
- [23:30]
A
Get them, Paulie.
- [23:34]
C
Ignore that fool.
- [23:35]
A
Listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco.
- [23:36]
D
Show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever.
- [23:38]
A
You get your podcast. He's still moving.
- [23:43]
B
In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes. The man who invented literature's many most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we Explore in Hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood, and me, Lizzy Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeares to balloon boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [24:49]
A
A foot washed up, a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire, that not a whole lot was salvageable.
- [25:00]
B
These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.
- [25:22]
A
He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.
- [25:28]
B
On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors. And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at othram, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to.
- [25:38]
A
Finally solve the unsolvable.
- [25:42]
B
Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [25:49]
C
Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.
- [25:53]
B
Attention, passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane.
- [26:01]
C
Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying, like, okay, pull this. Until this. Pull that. Turn this. It's just, I can do my eyes closed. I'm Manny.
- [26:15]
A
I'm Noah. This is Devin.
- [26:16]
C
And on our new show, no Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like.
- [26:21]
A
Like these.
- [26:22]
C
Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.
- [26:25]
D
Those who lack expertise lack the expertise.
- [26:29]
A
They need to recognize that they lack expertise.
- [26:32]
C
And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the Runway. I'm looking at this thing.
- [26:39]
A
See?
- [26:40]
C
Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [26:47]
E
Hey, guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me as an NCAA national champion and recent most outstanding player. You may even know me as the people's princess. But now you're also gonna know me as your favorite host. Every week on my new podcast, Fut around and Find Out. I'll give you an inside look at everything happening in my crazy life as I try to balance it all from my travels across the globe to preparing for another run at the natty with my UConn Huskies, to just trying to make it to my midterms on time. You'll get the inside scoop on everything. I'll be talking to some special guests about pop culture, basketball and what it's like to be a professional athlete on and off the court. You'll even get to have some fun with the Fudd family. So if you follow me on social media or watch me on tv, you may think you know me, but this show is the only place where you can really fudd around and find out. Listen to Fud around and Find Out. A production of I Heart Women and Sports in partnership with Unanimous media on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [27:47]
A
Doug Alibin for Collins to hurt fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app it's good to catch up with my good friend. Let's talk some baseball, shall we? We got the red hot brewers handing out burgers to everybody in Wisconsin or Milwaukee specifically. We have these slumping Dodgers. We have the, the, the Yankees kind of being in, in sort of no man's land. You got the rise of the Padres. We're getting ready for fall baseball. He, he's a producer of multiple future major league stars, including Jackson Holiday, the number one overall pick two years ago for the Orioles, who starts with the Orioles now and Ethan Holiday, who is the fourth, fifth, fourth, fourth, fourth pick of the draft with the Colorado Rockies who also select him. He's Matt Holiday, seven time all star joining us. He's, he's rehabbing. He had hip replacement surgery what a week ago. Matt?
- [28:45]
D
Yeah, Wednesday. I wish I was rehabbing. I text the doctor what kind of rehab should I be doing? And he laughed at me. So I think the first two weeks are very just sit around on your butt. So I'm, I'm doing the best I can. As you know, I don't sit well so I'm, I'm waiting for the go ahead for some sort of rehab. But yeah, so just trying to get to that two week mark and get back to being a little more active.
- [29:13]
A
What percentage of the hip issues were baseball related? You played football, you're a high school American football quarterback. You played pickup basketball but then you became like a pickleball fiend over the past three or four years, right. Like 99 days in 100 playing multiple games of pickleball. Did you ask your doctor what sport led to this issue?
- [29:39]
D
I didn't ask him. I'm guessing it's a culmination. I'm guessing a lot of it is my right hip with my leg kick and just sort of constantly coiling around my back hip for, for baseball swings. And then I'm sure that, you know, the, the hours of pickleball that I've put in certainly probably didn't help it. If I was just content on hanging out and doing kind of a basic workout, you know, three or four times a week, I probably would have been able to hold this off. But I love to be active, I love to play pickleball. So when it got to the point where it's prohibitive to do, you know, pretty much anything athletic, I, I figured it was time to go ahead and I'm young and get it done and hopefully be back on the pickleball court sooner than later.
- [30:26]
A
All right, there you go. He's, he was a ranked national pickleball player, but most known for being a seven time all star. Matt Holiday joining us here in the herd. Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. What, what's wrong with the Dodgers?
- [30:42]
D
Well, I mean, I think you could just, you go back to the starting pitching health. I mean, they haven't had the consistent rotation that they kind of hoped for. I think they accounted for that by having a lot of depth. But the in and out inconsistencies of rotation is probably where you start. I think that, you know, Mookie Betts has not been the perennial MVP caliber player that we're used to. So that's, you know, when you take one of your two or three, three probably best players on the team and there's quite a bit of a dip in production. You feel that that's not easily replaceable or accounted for. So I think that certainly has something to do with it. That makes it easier, you know, when you're, when you're deciding whether to pitch around Shohei or not. If Mookie's not doing, if he's not doing Mookie things, then it makes it easier on your decision making on who are you going to let beat you. So I would say, look, they're still extremely talented and they're going to be in the playoffs and they're very, very dangerous as we saw last year. If you get in the playoffs and even if you don't Have a rotation that's dominating. You start to put together a bullpen and pieces and guys that even if they don't, you know, even if guys can't recover to fully 6, 7 innings, you start to be able to piece games together with arms that are getting healthy late in the season. So I think they're just as big a threat to win the World Series as they were at the beginning of the season. Now they're not going to win 120 games like maybe we thought with the roster they constructed. But it's very difficult over 162 game season for everything to go as planned. And sort of the formula that you put on paper is going to work out. It's just such a long season and there's so many factors that play into that. But when it comes down to a playoff month, I think they're just as good a position as they were ever.
- [32:39]
A
Okay, so it's not a playoff month, but it's a really interesting week and a half. Right where Padres at home. Then you got the Rockies, which again would feel like kind of a mental break. And we know the Rockies are in massive rebuild mode and then they got Padres on the road. How do you think this plays out?
- [33:01]
D
Yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's great theater. I mean, I love watching this. These two teams play each other in general, I think right now as they start to jockey for position on who wins the west and you start to look at the buy scenario and look, anything can happen in baseball. So you definitely want to try to win the division and get that series. You know that you don't want to play in that first series. And I think the Padres, more than any other team, maybe at the deadline with adding a couple of those relievers, put themselves in a spot to, to really, you know, as you like we talked about, you know, in the Dodgers last year, dominating the postseason with their bullpen. When I watch the Padres bullpen, it's incredible the arms they roll out of there. So even if their starter gives them four, four or five innings, they're rolling out all star caliber pitchers from innings five through nine, pitching in the high 90s. So they're, they're bullpen as I watch. And then you, you know, I think getting Ramon Lariano and Ryan O'Hearn from the Orioles, who obviously I follow very close with Jackson, lengthen their lineup. Loriano is having an amazing season, I think maybe a little bit under the radar, but he's a very dangerous hitter. He's hitting home runs and he's been really good since traded over, so I think he lengthened their lineup. The Padres are a very dangerous team. I think they're equally. If I had to, you know, handicap the National League right now, I would put them probably side by side as far as my opinion about who could win the National League and potentially win the World Series. So these next, you know, seven or eight games, whatever it is that they play each other is going to be amazing. And I think everybody's emotions start to go up and they don't really like each other, and there's been guys throwing at each other. And so this is. As a baseball fan, I think these are two series that I'll be definitely locked into.
- [34:57]
A
Okay, well, you didn't mention the best team in Major League Baseball, which is the Milwaukee Brewers. And I know that you know Murph, Pat Murphy, really, really well. He's the manager. He will used to be the head coach at Arizona State. And. Did you stay in his guest house in. In training camp?
- [35:14]
D
Yeah, in 2009, I was with the A's, and we stayed. Josh, my brother, was at Arizona State as the assistant to Murph, and we actually. Yeah, we spent the spring training in his guest house in Phoenix. So. I know, look, I left them out and on an accident, I mean, they're playing amazing, so I'll let you ask the question, but, yeah, I know Murph really well.
- [35:35]
A
Okay, so how are they doing this?
- [35:39]
D
Yeah, I mean, I think it's. It's one of those things in sports where when you have a group of guys that believe in each other, they like each other, they kind of got that mojo going where they. They think they're going to win. We had a lot of that in 07 with the Rockies, and we won 21 out of 22 to end the season. And on paper, you know, we had a really good offense. But, you know, I think if you looked at the names of the guys that were pitching, you'd be surprised. And going back and looking at it of the kind of, you know, just the pitchers that we had and nothing to take anything away from them. They were pitching amazing. But it's kind of one of those things where you start to have that belief in each other and you just. You have the confidence that you're going to find a way to win. And it may not look the same every night, and you're not going to lean on the same guys every night. They've had a lot of young players that have taken steps forward and are getting Big hits. And seemingly the crowd in Milwaukee has become a home field advantage, which it always has been. You know, when they've been good, it's always been a. A really good place or maybe difficult place, I'd say the opposition to go in there and win. So I just think they have a lot of intangibles going that sometimes, you know, maybe pundits don't want to give any credit to because it's not quantifiable and you can't calculate it, but they seem to have a lot of. Like each other, two of them, and a lot of, you know, a lot of this stuff as athletes that play in clubhouses and have been on teams that it's hard to recreate or hard to create and hard to. To. Maybe I don't talk, you know, closely about how. Why it happens, but they seem to have found that sort of magic.
- [37:28]
A
Yeah, I asked me really interesting week. Next week. I'm actually going to the first of the day night doubleheader on Monday. They have five against the Cubs on the road. Um, you mentioned they have that. Whatever that. What's the French say? Je ne sais quoi. The. I don't know what the momentum, the. The culture, the camaraderie. They got this thing working. But it does sound like. Feel like. Because they don't have the veterans, they don't have the names that you think are going to absolutely produce in the postseason. There's still a. All right, let's see what it looks like when things get really tight. How important is next week to find out what they really got moving in the postseason?
- [38:08]
D
Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably even more important for the Cubs. Obviously, they're trying to figure out, you know, if this thing gets away from them. You know, the brewers are. A couple of wins against the Cubs, you know, to start that. That little run away from really creating a gap that seems, you know, almost. You can't. Can't quite get there. So I think the pressure is on the Cubs. I mean, I think that the brewers got it going. I mean, look, if the Cubs come out and punch them in the mouth three times, we'll find out how. How real this. This. This magic is. And, you know, it'll test, you know, what they, you know, kind of that momentum they've been riding and the feel good they've had, if the Cubs come out and punch them in the mouth three times and that. That lead closes to two or three or four games, and then all of a sudden, they'll feel, you Know, a little bit of tightness, and then all of a sudden, you know, it might change the whole. You know, the whole scene between these two teams. But I think, you know, currently standing, the brewers go in there very confident with. With where they're at, how they're playing, and will look to make a statement, you know, and maybe even pull away from the Cubs and feel like they're. They're. They're. They're pad. In that. In the central is. Is. Is very comfortable. So, like you said, another great, you know, kind of run of games that'll be fun to watch. I like when these teams are so close in proximity. You know, the Cubs and Brewers have always been a good rivalry just because of how close together they are. And then you got the Padres and Dodgers. I think this is really, you know, good, good tv, watching baseball, and I'm excited to watch these. These rivalries.
- [39:42]
A
Yeah. Because that's what you're. That's what your crippled butts can be doing, is just sitting there watching because you can't. You can't be. You can't be moving around. Last thing. This is a hard one for me. This is a hard one for me. So tonight, I host the Pump Family Cancer Research Dinner. Okay, so yesterday I'm at the hotel, and I. I'm hanging out with Sammy Sosa, and tonight they're honoring Barry Bonds. And it's, like, amazing, right? But, you know, like, I have this. I mean, like, and I don't know, your. Your feelings towards it, right? You never took anything illegal, illicit, nothing, Correct?
- [40:23]
D
Correct.
- [40:23]
A
Okay. So I feel like your numbers, your career, and we're friends would be looked at in a completely different light had their numbers not taken place. But I ran into Sammy, and I was like, I'm hanging out with Sammy Sosa. It was like, all of a sudden, the star thing, and I became fanboy, you know, 1999 all over again. How do I handle that tonight?
- [40:49]
D
Yeah, I mean, look. I mean, I think that when you look at the era in which they played and, you know, I think we can all say that there was definite steroid use and the game was. It was used widely, and there was a lot of guys, pitchers and hitters using it. And so, look, I mean, I think that it is what it is as far as cheating goes and certainly tainted numbers and records. But I think, you know, when you start to acknowledge the best players in the era, I think we can all do that, just like we can in the dead ball era or going back or even now as the averages come down as the pitching goes up. And so you're always acknowledging the best players in certain eras. And so I think that's one thing with baseball is everybody holds very tightly to the record books and the numbers and, and the stats and, and I'm good with that. But I think that even when you start talking about the hall of Fame, I mean, there's guys in the hall of Fame that use steroids. I mean, there's just. There is. And so I think that acknowledging some of these guys that, you know, use steroids and, and having a place in the hall of Fame that has their own sort of era, and I think we can all recognize that this was the steroid era, but these were the best players inside the steroid era. And so I'm, I'm, I've probably softened my stance on that just a little bit because I think we should recognize especially as I think some guys have gotten in that, you know, that there's definitely question marks about. But yeah, I mean, I. Look, I think you can appreciate their greatness and with also, you know, not, not accepting or not approving of what they did.
- [42:32]
A
Fair enough. That's Matt Holliday, seven time All Star. And actually now he's Jackson and Ethan's dad. Right? That's actually what probably. Yeah. Really? All right, well, stay where you are. Ring that bell. Make sure your family, make sure Grayson waits on your hand and foot with those cookies. You'll probably add about 10, 15 pounds.
- [42:50]
D
And nope, I'm starving myself of sugar. So you have to find stuff to challenge yourself with in situations like this.
- [42:57]
A
Tell everybody said hi. I'll talk to you soon.
- [42:58]
D
Okay? All right, bud.
- [42:59]
A
That's Matt Holliday joining us seven time All Star, four time Silver Sucker. Coming up next in the we'll get a little Herdline news with Greg Tuoh. Justin Herbert made a surprising decision this week. What was it? Find out next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
- [43:16]
B
In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine articles claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes. The man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in Hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzy Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeares to balloon boys. And try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [44:23]
A
A foot washed up, a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire, that not a whole lot was salvageable.
- [44:33]
B
These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.
- [44:55]
A
He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah. Gotcha.
- [45:02]
B
On America's Crime Lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors. And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at othram, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [45:22]
C
Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.
- [45:26]
B
Attention, passengers. The pilot is having an emergency, and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane.
- [45:34]
C
Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying, like, okay, pull this until this point that. Turn this. It's just I can do my eyes closed. I'm Manny.
- [45:49]
A
I'm Noah. This is Devin.
- [45:50]
C
And on our new show, no Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.
- [45:59]
D
Those who lack expertise lack the expertise.
- [46:02]
A
They need to recognize that they lack expertise.
- [46:06]
C
And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, oh, that's the run, right? I'm looking at this thing. See, listen to no such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [46:20]
E
Hey, guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me as an NCAA national champion and recent most outstanding player. You may even know me as the people's princess. But now you're also gonna know me as your favorite host. Every week on my new podcast FUT around and Find Out. I'll give you an inside look at everything happening in my crazy life as I try to balance it all, from my travels across the globe to preparing for another run at the natty with my UConn Huskies, to just trying to make it to my midterms on time. You'll get the inside scoop on everything. I'll be talking to some special guests about pop culture, basketball and what it's like to be a professional athlete on and off the court. You'll even get to have some fun with the Fudd family. So if you follow me on social media or watch me on tv, you may think you know me, but this show is the only place where you can really fut around and find out. Listen to FUT around and find out. A production of iHeart Women's Sports in partnership with Unanimous Media on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [47:21]
A
Doug Alleyman for Counts the Herd Fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app welcome, welcome in. We have a brand new YouTube channel. For my afternoon show each day on Fox Sports Radio, just go to YouTube.com ug Gottlieb Show. If you're already on YouTube, just search Doug Gottlieb Show. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. You have instant access to our very best videos from the show. Check out the brand new channel. Again, just search Doug Gottlieb show on YouTube and subscribe if you missed it. Michigan has been fined and hit with some additional punishments from the Connor Stallions issues of a couple years ago. We'll get to that at the top of the hour. Before that, let's get to Greg Tuohy with the news.
- [48:02]
D
No, no, no, turn on the news.
- [48:05]
A
This is the Herdline news. Hey, Duggar. Hello, Greg Tuohy. All right, so we touched on this last hour. Matthew Stafford, who's not practiced at all during training camp because of an aggravated disc in his back. He will work out Saturday, which is potentially good news for the Rams. But here was Sean McMurray after their joint practice versus the Saints yesterday.
- [48:25]
D
He's going to work out on Saturday.
- [48:27]
A
Hopefully it responds a little bit better and then I'll have more information for you guys then.
- [48:31]
B
It's, you know, we're trying to get.
- [48:33]
A
Our hands around this as well. So I would give, I don't really have much more information other than, you know, think, you know, we're trying some different things that are hopefully going to be in alignment with getting him back out on the field. McVay also said they haven't discussed whether surgery could be an option yet. Last hour, Tjushmanshada Hushmanzada told us he's worried. On a scale of 1 to 10, Ted being the worst, what's your worry level for Stafford this year? Eight. That's. That's pretty. Yeah. Because if you remember two years ago, the back was an issue, and at the, at the end of the season, there was talk of retirement. Right. Remember that? Yeah, I do. And then they were like, well, maybe we'll trade him. I don't know what we'll do. And they're like, ah, and he's fine. But there was clearly a thought of retiring, and it quite obviously has not gotten better. And once you get like, there's just. Here's the other part to having a bad back that people have not yet mentioned. If he plays, when he plays, he's going to get rid of that ball way quicker than he has. It's one of the things that a lot of these aging quarterbacks go through is at the end, at the end of their career, they do not want to get hit. They do not. So they get rid of that sucker really, really quick. You're like, wait, why'd he dirt that ball? Like, because, you know, like, if you watch Aaron Rodgers over, especially the last couple years with the jets, like, he's getting rid of the ball way quicker than he used to. So it's not just about, can you get him on the field to play or how good he can play or how often he can play. Right. If you play a Sunday, I don't know if that. I haven't looked their schedule in terms of Sunday, Thursday, turnaround games, whatever. But when you do play, it's. It's impossible for you not to try and protect yourself that way. And that changes all of how you play, how you compete in football. Right. If you're dirtying balls, you shouldn't dirt. So when they play the Colts, and then the Niners play the Colts on a Sunday at home, but the Niners on a Thursday at home, huge game with the Niners. First question is, can you play that close together and your back not lock up on you? And if you can't, like, all right, now we got an issue. Now Garoppolo's got to play against Niners. And then if you do play, will you play to the fullest, your capability, or will you be getting the rid of the ball quickly because you're afraid of getting that back hit and hurt? Yep. And Just the thought of holding up over 17 game schedule is scary as well. We'll wrap it up with this Justin her. So. So Ben Johnson earlier this week announced that Caleb Williams will be playing this Sunday versus the Bills in their preseason game. And now we know that another star quarterback will be playing as well. It's just Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert will start for the versus the Rams and play in the preseason for the first time in his career. And get this, Doug, this was his idea. Here was Herbert this week. It was actually me going to him and saying, hey, would it be okay if, you know, I, I went in play because I think in years past the plan was to rest and see those reps, but I wanted to go out there and see a pass rush because, you know, in practice as a quarterback, you don't always get the true feeling of a pass rush. So I thought it'd be helpful to go out there. And he was understanding and we kind of worked together and talked and playing. So he went to Jim Harbaugh and said, coach, I want to play in the preseason. Sure. Now, if you're a Charger fan, do you want Herbert playing at all in the preseason? I don't. But you are your own best doctor. And they already lost for Sean Slater. So you got to feel like the pass rush is going to be hotter. And remember, they open up the season. Chiefs at home, Raiders on the road, Broncos at home. So you open up with three divisional games to start the year. He wants to be sharp, he wants to be ready. And this is kind of a Trend in the NFL. McVay brought in the trend of not playing starters at all. At all. And then this year, if you look, more starters are playing. And that's Greg Tuohy with the news. Well, that's the news.
- [52:18]
B
And thanks for stopping by the herd.
- [52:21]
A
We got a great third hour of the show for you. A very Wisconsin, very Sports, very Brewer911 call. Oh, man. Yes. And we're going to get you ready for college football with the latest news as Michigan has been punished now thoroughly and completely and finally by the NCAA for their sign stealing scandal back a couple years ago. How does it affect Michigan football and the rest of their university? Find out next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the hurt.
- [52:55]
B
In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more incredible, that article was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who invented Sherlock Holmes. How did he fall for that hoax? Is a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of noble blood and me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history and try to answer the question why we believe what we believe. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [53:34]
C
Why are TSA rules so confusing?
- [53:36]
D
You got a hoodie on.
- [53:38]
A
Take it all.
- [53:38]
C
I'm Manny.
- [53:39]
A
I'm Noah.
- [53:40]
C
This is Devin, and we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me.
- [53:53]
A
I deserve it, you know? Lock him up.
- [53:54]
C
Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [54:01]
D
No such thing.
- [54:03]
A
Who cares about truth when the lies. More entertaining. Welcome home.
- [54:07]
B
I'm Angela Rye, co host of the Native Lampod with Andrew Gillum and Tiffany Cross, and we want y' all to survive and thrive in this political moment.
- [54:14]
A
We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.
- [54:17]
B
I'm terrified that in our rest, we're going to miss the moment. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
- [54:28]
A
Listen to Native Land Pod on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [54:35]
D
Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.
- [54:44]
C
San Diego coming to MLS is gonna be a game changer because this region.
- [54:47]
A
Has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team. We need to embrace this community.
- [54:54]
D
Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [55:05]
A
This is an iheart Pod.