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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Cooper Flagg will be fine, Aaron Rodgers is the Ideal Steelers QB & more details from the NBA Gambling Scandal
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Greg Cosell
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
Well, he started like zero for two at the half with like zero. He had one assist as a starting point guard. Colin, did you notice that years ago.
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Colin Cowherd
There was a show that started called Succession? First two or three episodes wonky. People like what is this middle Late of season one everybody went, oh, it's a good show. Year two, three, four, five, the winning Emmys.
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J. Mac
I see what we're doing here stuff.
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Colin Cowherd
You got to let it bake.
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J. Mac
By the way, speaking of baking, Wembanyama, I mean remember last year we ripped him for taking all those three pointers.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
Well, now we know why he wasn't shooting them. Because he wasn't strong enough. He now looks like a totally different human. Colin I I'm still in awe of what I saw last night.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So Cooper Flag number one. He reclassified. He should be a freshman at Duke. Number two is Dallas asked him to play point guard. He's a wing. Number three is he was guarded mostly by Stefan Castle of the spurs. All rookie team, great defender. And number four, he was probably nervous. Right. So judging him is like judging a restaurant on opening night. You're still trying to work out the Kings. So again at Duke he also had two all ACC guards who are now in the NBA. So he didn't have to initiate offense and they asked him to do that against Stefan Castle. So it's just point guard and wing in the NBA are two different positions. Sorry he wasn't Shohei Ohtani last night hitting three bombs and striking out 10 and six innings. He's going to be a great player. Dallas got overwhelmed. They don't have Kyrie Irving. Wemby is unstoppable this point going forward. And here was Jason Kidd on Cooper Flagg's performance.
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Greg Cosell
He played well. Now the stat line is not going to say that, but no one in this room is sitting in his shoes. And so I think he again, as a rookie define the way that he plays. I'm not going to sit here and change his thought process. He's going to be one of the best players to play this game. So for him to see as a rookie how they're playing him, to be able to go back and watch the tape because he's going to see it again.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he's going to be fine. Some things need to bake. Give the restaurant a couple of weeks to work out the kings. He's going to be fine. And with that, 46 years NFL films. It is a Thursday at second hour. It's Greg Cosell. I want to go immediately because the game that I thought was so compelling was Bo Nix against Jackson Dart Denver getting behind roaring back. And I have been a Bonix fan. I don't think right now he's a great deep ball thrower and I do think between Cortland, Sutton and Mims they have deep ball targets. So he's been trailing a lot. It's been ugly, it's been clunky. How do you view Bo Nix watching that game against the Giants?
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Greg Cosell
I think quite frankly, Colin, this has been an up and down season for Knicks. It's been very uneven. Now there are times I watch their pass game and I think this is a very condensed pass game. I feel like there's not a lot to it, which is surprising to say given it's Sean Payton now. Again, he knows his quarterback better than you and I do, but I just feel like we're not seeing the same way we saw him last year because I remember one of the things that really stood out to me a year ago was his ability to make throws between the numbers at the intermediate levels with a lot of juice and we're not seeing very much of that this year at all. And a lot of the good plays he's making later in games. We saw it against the Eagles, we saw it last week against the Giants. He's throwing fade balls to good receivers where Sutton makes plays. Mims made a play in the game against the Giants, but we're just not seeing the same kind of throws that we saw a year ago. I don't have an explanation for that other than they're not there on the tape right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Jackson darts playing with a ton of confidence. What are you seeing there that you like or don't?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, I think that that staff's doing a really good job, particularly on first down. You know first down is always the best down to throw on because you're more likely to get more predictable coverages, more predictable looks. I think they're doing a really good job with him defining that for him because he does tend to be a little frenetic and chaotic. He tends to move. The play we just saw was obviously a coverage breakdown, but his legs are a big, big factor. The concern you have with him is I think he's been in the Blue 10 in every game he started, and he's going to have to learn. He's going to have to learn that it's very difficult to play this way all the time in the NFL. But I think he has good traits. I'm curious to see as he develops. I mean, just think of someone like Drake maybe. Now, I don't. He doesn't throw it as well as Drake May does, but someone like Drake May look how comfortable he's gotten this year. And the fact that when he runs, it's calculated, it doesn't look frenetic and he looks very comfortable in the pocket. Dart is by no means at that level, but he certainly hasn't played as much as Drake May has.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's talk Drake May. So he's on a bit of a heater right now, and we always like his size and his mobility. Is there anything that you look at and go, wow, with vrabel and Josh McDaniel, he is noticeably better at blank?
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Greg Cosell
Well, I think one thing, and by the way, I've always been a big believer that when you have a young quarterback, you want an NFL coach coaching him that has a resume in the league. You don't want a young kid who doesn't have a resume. And Obviously that's Josh McDaniels and they're clearly doing a great job. But I think two things with Drake May have really stood out to me. Number one, and I didn't think this showed up on his college tape. I think his ball placement this year has been really good. And I think coming out of college, a lot of us had concerns that he was a little erratic with his ball location. It's been very, very good. The other thing that I think stands out on film this year about Drake May, and it's a trait that I think is essential for a quarterback, is pocket movement. Not scrambling, not running out of the pocket. Colin. But playing within the pocket. Let's say the size of. Smaller than a boxing ring, but where you move within. You step up, you slide right, you slide left, you climb. I think he's done that really, really well. And the trait that goes with that, that's critical is keeping your eyes up. You don't drop your eyes and look at the rush. You feel pressure. You never see pressure.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's go to Mahomes, a veteran quarterback. I was talking to J. Mac earlier. I said this receiving corps worthy Rice, Hollywood Brown is a little twitchy. And I think Mahomes is smart enough to say a lot of these guys. It reminds me of the Niners about three years ago with Deebo and Kittle and McCaffrey. Just get the ball out, let them make people miss. I look at this thing and I watch Mahomes and he seems very intentional. He wants to get that puppy out fast. That's what it looks like to me.
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Greg Cosell
Well, it's funny you say that because that's exactly what I've been thinking watching him the last number of weeks. And so very often what I do, Colin, is I watch tape and I see something and then I check a stat. I never start with the stats. I always want to start with the tape. And so I'm noticing as I watch tape that boy, this offense looks really rhythmic, which hasn't always, as you well know, we've discussed that over the years. And so I looked up from snap to throw, he's number one in the league and how quick it comes out. So what you see is correct and what I saw on tape is correct. All of a sudden this pass game is very rhythmic. And I think Rice will only help that because Rice is not really a burner. Rice in many ways works the same area of the field as Kelse. He kind of works between the numbers in the short, short to intermediate areas and he gives Mahomes a quick place to deliver the football. And Patrick in these last couple of weeks has really played at a super efficient level. Maybe not the way we think of him, but at a super efficient level. And I guarantee Andy Reid is not bothered by that at all.
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Colin Cowherd
Speaking of Niners, I think Shanahan could be coach of the year. Totally resourceful. No Kittle, McCaffrey had 30 touches last week or 31. They're waiting for Iuk to come back. Debo is now a commander. Mac Jones actually sneaky moves once in a while, shows his mobility, but not as much as Purdy. When you look at their offense today, they've had to be very resourceful. I mean, Bosa, Hufanga, Greenlaw, it's. They're doing the most. They have. What is their offense right now in San Francisco? What do you See, well, I think.
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Greg Cosell
They want it to be run first, which always is the way Kyle Shanahan starts. And I thought last week was a great example because you have to beat your opponent every week. Obviously, you have an overriding philosophy. You've heard really good offensive coaches talk about that. I've heard Sean McVay talk about that. But then you also script that philosophy to your opponent. And last week against Atlanta, not a big front. They ran the ball inside and it was their best running performance of the season. 65% of McCaffrey's runs were inside between the tackles. And do not discount the impact that George Kittle makes as a blocker. And not even on blocks where, let's say he's play side. Because what I noticed watching the film, Colin, even when he was a backside blocker, he can block defensive ends one on one. And you know what that allowed them to do? Double team on the inside and move people on the inside. And McCaffrey obviously had the big game. He had a ton of 10 plus yard runs and also he's got over 500 yards receiving already. So he's on pace for over a thousand receiving yards.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I want to talk about Dallas. We got into this discussion the other day. I said one of the advantages sometimes, and maybe the Cowboys knew this, but one of the advantages of George Pickens and CD Lamb is that I think it's actually helped their run game. You can't cheat as a safety because Pickens, Right. CD Lamb, separates a true number one. Pickens is more of a catching radius yards after cave. Very strong player. But when I watch them on the field, it does feel like. And this is not a great O line. It's not Detroit or a Denver or Colts. My take is Pickens, and I don't know if it was an intended or unintended benefit. Pickens and CD Lamb actually helped the run game. Because the shock of the season to me is this isn't a great O line. This isn't. This isn't even the Bears interior line. Dallas is running the ball better. Why?
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Greg Cosell
Really? Well. Well, I think it's the way you can deploy Pickens and Lamb because Pickens is a true, what we call boundary X. He's the single receiver to the short side of the field. And you just saw how important that is. Just think back to last week at the end of the first half, okay, they gained 77 yards on two plays at the end of the first half. There's the first one, okay. And that was where he was the boundary X. And you throw it up to him, a fade ball, and he beats Lattimore. Now what this allows Lamb to do in the context of this offense is Lamb now is the movement receiver. You can line him up anywhere, you put him in motion, he gets free access. He can run multiple route concepts from multiple splits. So you have two receivers now who are really, really good at what they do. And Dak's playing at a really high level. We just saw the Lamb touchdown, which was an unbelievable play, by the way, because that ball on that particular route concept never goes to that receiver. But the defense dict. And the one thing I've really noticed on film, Colin and this blew me away, play action. So I looked up the numbers. You know what Prescott's numbers are on play action this year? It's going to blow you away. He's 60 for 71 on play action, which is close to 85, close to 85% with seven touchdowns on play action out of 71 throws and no interceptions. So their play action pass game is just off the charts.
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Colin Cowherd
A quarterback that is struggling. But again, I thought the Colts were a better team last week. Justin Herbert has lost three of four. And I know Harbaugh can coach and I know Justin's good. You know, my take is I can't judge him right now. I do think they'll turn it around when they get everybody back, but they don't have a run game. I mean, what are you seeing? I feel, I feel really bad for Herbert.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, there's a disconnect there, in my view. And again, I never rip coaches. They know their players better than I do. But you're dealing with a poor offensive line, certainly at the tackle position. And I, I'm sure Ault will be back, if not tonight, certainly next week. But you're dealing with a poor O line and Herbert has thrown more passes than any quarterback in the league. That's a disconnect. So it's very, very difficult to play that way with a poor old line, poor pass protection, and a quarterback that has too many drop backs. Now, last week they got behind 233 at the half and obviously they came out in the second half and felt that they had to throw. But even before Joe Ault got hurt, this offense did not look, I think, what we expected it to look like. There's been too many drop backs and even with Ault there, it's still not a great O line. So they may feel they don't have a running back now that Omarion Hampton is out. They may feel they don't have a bellwether running back and this is the best way they can play. As I said, they know their players better than I. But I just think you can't ask Justin Herbert to drop back this many times behind that offensive line. It's just bad things are going to happen.
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Colin Cowherd
So Mike Tomlin was upset when the Bengals acquired Joe Flacco from Cleveland and now we know why. Flacco has a history on short rest of beating Tomlin. We've talked about old Brady and old Aaron and old Stafford, but I watch old Joe Flacco and that's a guy that is uncomfortable. He gets the playbook after about three practices. I mean, what did you say? I find him fun and easy to watch.
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Greg Cosell
Oh, I love Joe. He's from South Jersey, so I know him, I know his family. He's just a guy that, you know. It's funny, I had a chance to really spend time with him a number of years ago here at NFL Films and he just, he looks at the position. I don't want to say like it's easy, but he doesn't over complicate it. And that's one reason you always see him throw to the one on ones. You know, to him it's the NFL. If it's one on one, you throw it. You know, you talk to him and it's like, well, if the safety does that, well then I'm going to throw it over there. If the safety does something else, I'll throw it somewhere else. I mean, he's always very sort of simplistic in how he sees things and he will always throw the one on ones and he will always throw the ball between the numbers, which are really difficult throws. We know every once in a while he makes a throw that you go, Joe, why did you make that throw? But that's because he's always so aggressive and you know, I want to show a play which was from the last game that, that Thursday night game against Pittsburgh, which to me is just classic Flacco, where not that the game's easy, but just the way he sees it. Okay, so this is a 37 yard pass on 3rd and 4 to Yoshevas. And you'll see as we break this down, the way Joe sees the game, I mean the way any quarterback should really, on this play, he's in the gun here. It's going to be a two by two set and we're going to show you where Chase and Higgins are because they're the key guys here. So they are critical now what they're going to run are essentially what we call mirrored shallow crossers. They're both running shallow crossing routes. Now the safeties here, and this makes perfect sense, it's third down. They're going to drive down to try to take away Chase and Higgins. They're kind of bracket double type situations. That makes perfect sense. So now Joe's going to see that. So now what does he have? He has Yoshevas one on one against Darius Slay. So this is just what I'm talking about. The safeties drop down. There's the one on one. That's who you throw it to. And I guarantee Joe would talk about it just like that. He'd say, yeah, that's who you throw it to because it's one on one. And you know, that's a third and four and it's 37 yards. But that's the way he plays the game. He just sees it cleanly. Of course, he's played a lot of football and you mentioned getting a playbook in three days. There's probably not a lot in a playbook, Colin, that that Joe Flacco hasn't seen.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Greg Cosell, 46 years, NFL Films. Thanks, Greg.
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Greg Cosell
Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it.
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Colin Cowherd
Tonight, Thursday Night Football. We'll talk about that. I got some thoughts on the Knicks. I watched the entire Knicks Cavs game. Aaron Rodgers, is it his leadership? Is it his intelligence? People are complicating that. And that NBA story. Kash Patel, FBI earlier between a poker ring that sounds like casino meets rounders to a handful of NBA people involved in prop bets and the unders, it is a wild story. These are accusations. The coach, Chauncey Billups in Portland, temporary leave. Terry Rozier, the player in Miami, temporary leave. He was also nursing an injury. So two active current a coach and a player I've been jettisoned for the time being in the NBA. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's me, Rob Parker. Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for 22 minutes of piping hot baseball talk featuring the biggest names and newsmakers in the sport.
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J. Mac
Whether you believe in analytics or the.
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Colin Cowherd
Eye test, we've got all the bases covered.
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J. Mac
New episodes drop every Thursday.
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Colin Cowherd
So do yourself a favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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Colin Cowherd
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Katie Couric
Episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down. Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
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Katie Couric
His fighting oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
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Colin Cowherd
Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you?
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Katie Couric
Okay, okay, I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.
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Colin Cowherd
To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.
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Katie Couric
Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search next question with Katie Couric and listen now.
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Colin Cowherd
They lose it.
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Greg Cosell
They actually lose it.
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They sort of went nuts until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Dave Roberts, Dodger Manager Top of next hour. I watched the entire Knicks Cavs game last night and it it reminded me a lot of last season. Carl Anthony Towns couple dumb fouls early, then in the fourth, goes off, does what he does offensively is a crazy talent. They kind of separate and beat the Cavs. Jalen Brunson didn't play particularly great. I didn't shoot the ball that well. Had the ball in his hands. They've got several players, Deuce McBride, OG Bridges, who are capable of hitting 15 to 18 points on any given night. The Knicks are a very good team. My question, same with the Cavs, is are they good enough? They're a good team. I I could do the little less Jimmy Fallon pretending he loves the NBA, but outside of that, they're a good team. They're a good watch. They have an elite point guard. I see teamwork. They're Villanova of the NBA. I see passion. They play hard. They've got multiple guys who can hit shots if you need them. I do think Carl Anthony Towns and Brunson on the floor together gives you a defensive hole that in the east will not be enough of a hole to get beat on most nights. It won't be exposed in the east, but I do feel like watching them. They're like six years ago watching a really dominant or really good Big 12 football team and the Western Conference is the SEC. I don't think they match up with the NBA's best. They're good. I feel like I watched the team that I saw last year. I see teamwork, I see passion. I see elite point guard. I see Carl Anthony Towns. Absolutely crazy elite talent. Here was Brunson after the win over the Cavs.
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Greg Cosell
I think the most important thing that we do is to come with a clear mind and open to learning, open to getting better. Every year is different now. Obviously we have a lot of returning guys and stuff like that, so that may be the same, but things are different and it's all about how you adapt and how you adjust and learning on the fly. It's going to be good for us. It's going to be keep us fresh.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I was watching it last night and the Knicks have become a good franchise. I would not have gotten rid of Tibbs. I think it was a 5050 split with fans. Mike Brown's more than capable, been around the league, nice guy, smart guy. Players like him. Tibbs can be a little rougher. I didn't think Tibbs was overly creative offensively, but Brunson's got the ball in his hands all the time. The offense is Jalen Brunson, and this is not college where the coach is dictating what you run. The the game is so fast and fluid. The offense is Jalen Brunson when he's hot. It's a handful when he's not. Like last night, it could be a bit clunky and they have to rely on OG or Bridges or Cat to take over early in the fourth. That's what they are. They're good. And that's good enough probably in the east to get them to the conference finals if they're healthy. J. Mack with the news no, no.
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Greg Cosell
No, turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news.
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J. Mac
Go to the NFL and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. One of the better stories the first quarter of the season here. Colin took a tough loss against Detroit on Monday Night Football, but man, I'm looking at that injury report. Oh boy, it's not looking good against the Saints this weekend. Baker Mayfield has chimed in on letting the media know what he thinks about the New Orleans Saints.
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Colin Cowherd
It hasn't exactly been clean play from their part when we play them. It's a physical game.
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Greg Cosell
It is what it is.
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Colin Cowherd
You expect it. Division rival. Yeah, I like that. He just throws it out there. They're cheap shot artists.
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J. Mac
Well, remember Lattimore and Evans used to go at it but Lattimore has been shipped out of town. He's not there anymore. By the way, Mike Evans obviously out. Sounds like he's going to miss almost the entire season. Godwin not back yet. He came back briefly. They got hurt again and Bucky Irving, my guy who carries me in fantasy going to miss again. I mean I. I thought Tampa Bay would be the side here. Anything from you on this Buck Saints?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I think the lines about right. If Tampa was healthy I think they'd work them. It's not a great slate this weekend. I've had really back to back great weeks and it's not a great numbers week. It's a lot of crossing your fingers. I like a lot of favorites this week but the favorites I like are beat up. So I, I do not think this is a good week for numbers. I agree totally. I think Saturday is a much better week. Last two weeks I've eaten it up. 4 and 1, 4 and 1. I don't like the numbers. There's two games I like a lot. So it's. It's one of those where you watch tonight. I'll look at the injury report. You cross your fingers on Sunday, guys are healthy. I may take Tampa. I'll just wait.
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J. Mac
Yeah, basically you toss out Thursday night and toss out Monday since it's a 10 and a half 12 and a half point spread. So now you're down basically to 11 games because there's six teams on a.
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Colin Cowherd
Buy and I like two numbers.
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J. Mac
I'll have to wait for him. You haven't told me because you know you keep this stuff close to the vest when you're running hot, when you're cold. You're asking me for advice. But anyways, let's go to Justin Jefferson. Colin and the Minnesota Vikings, the best gritty in the NFL. Justin Jefferson, he's having a great start to his career. Crazy number here. He's played with eight different quarterbacks. Justin Jefferson enters Thursday night football needing just 40 to surpass Julio Jones as the fastest player to reach 8,000 receiving yards. Julio did an 85. Jefferson playing in his 84th tonight. Somehow the Chargers are taking money here. This was three most of the week now, three and a half. Yeah, I don't have much here. I got a couple buddies going to the game. But I don't know that this is even that interesting of a game. If it was McCarthy against Harbaugh, I would be into it. But this Carson Wentz experience, man we talked about it yesterday. He's just not a good quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Right. Well. And the Chargers are just a shadow of what they would be. You're really getting sort of the B team offensively, and you can't ask any quarterback in this league, including Mahomes, to throw it 55 times a game. It's just not fair. That's not. I've said this with Mahomes, I'll give you 33 throws a game. With most quarterbacks in the NFL, including Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, like guys who are getting, going to get Pro bowl consideration, 28 times a game is about what you want your quarterback throwing. If they're throwing 38, it means you trail. If you're throwing 48, it means you're desperate. So asking him to throw closer to 58 throws and 56 throws and 55 throws, that tells you Harbaugh doesn't want to do that. Harbot, go back to J.J. mcCarthy at Michigan. He rare. He went an entire half where he didn't throw the ball at all. So they, they, they. They're playing a game they don't want to play right now.
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J. Mac
Yeah, I mean, we still. Hampton's not back. This Joe Alt stuff. I'm almost sick of reading about it. I'll just say I think the dogs have been barking on Thursday Night Football this season. Remember last week, obviously, Bengals beat the Steelers. So just, just be careful before laying it with the Chargers. Final story. Con. Let's go to a little NFL beef. We need more of these. They're fun. Yesterday we broke down the Sean Payton war of words with Russell Wilson. Russ jumped on social media to call Peyton's comments classless, invoking the bounty gate scandal, which always cuts deep. Well, now Sean Payton is backtracked from his comments and saying, my bad. I, it was taken out of context.
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Greg Cosell
That was strictly about dart. I mean, and I, that was in no way, shape or form anything that.
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Colin Cowherd
Was directed at Russ. So.
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Greg Cosell
And I might be able to see how he might perceive that. But coming off that win and watching how he played. Yeah, that, that wasn't any intention at all.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I said buying that. Not really. Well, they're just different. They're. They're just different personalities. And that's okay. I mean, one guy's hot wire. He's raw. And it's like the LeBron Westbrook thing we talked about. The mistake is by the front office of the lakers. Those are two different personalities. Totally. LeBron's more calculated and measured. He's got great self awareness. When it comes to basketball and, you know, Westbrook's going 100 miles an hour. Russell Westbrook would admit that, has admitted that he plays the way he plays, and they're just not complimentary players and their personalities are different. And so we always blame the player. You know, like, sometimes it's the front office. I think when Sean Payton took that job, my take was, oh, that Russell thing's not going to work. Knowing both of them a little bit, I'm like, that's not going to work. So, you know, it's just, listen, I've had to work with people that I don't connect with. Just take the high road, don't punch down, move on. It's. I think if, if Sean could have taken that back, he probably would have, but he's just, he's raw. Sean's going to tell you what he thinks.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news. Greg Cosell, Chris Sims. Today, Dave Roberts, Dodgers manager. I talked about this. I think Toronto's a tough matchup for the Dodgers because Toronto scores runs and hits the ball and gets on base. I thought that about Milwaukee. Toronto is a more talented version of Milwaukee with Vlad Guerrero and George Springer, who's one of the great clutch hitters the last 10 years in baseball, postseason clutch hitters. So Dave Roberts will join us. But it is interesting, as somebody who spent a lot of time in California over the last eight, nine years, there's this animosity toward the Dodgers. And I'm like, I can remember when I lived out east and worked for the other place the Yankees and Red Sox owned the off season and it was considered elevating baseball. Oh, what a joyful moment. Red Sox, Yankees again battling for the pennant. I didn't have a problem with it. It was fun. It was fun to be part of it. I would come home every day, work out in my little home gym, turn the TV on and watch talk radio and sports radio, talking about the Yankees and the Red Sox and it felt like Duke Carolina, Baske ball or Raven Steelers rivalry 10 years, 15 years ago. But everybody now, just like people, fear what they think is pulling away from them. In society and business, in life, they hate what they fear. And I think the feeling is with the LA economy and the attractive weather, it's one thing if New York is winning and overpaying for it. Everybody in New York, even the rich, have to sacrifice. But in la, if you're rich, you know what I mean? The weather's perfect. The economy's good, the Pacific Ocean, there's a little bit of anti California sentiment about everything, their politics, their sports. And it would be much easier to hate the Dodgers if they had a bunch of jerks or if they had a bunch of egos or they were doing what the Astros did or they were the Kardashians flashing their wealth. But I said this. Max Muncie got cut by the A's and I think he's the all time postseason home run leader in Dodger history, like ahead of Steve Garvey. So you know, I don't. I mean you're Colin, you lived in California.
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Katie Couric
You, you.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm just telling you, knowing people that cover them, when you see the guys around town, they're just guys. They're just, just. It's funny, in la, the sports stars are very chill. Matt Stafford's chill. LA Kings are chill. The Dodgers, the Rams, I don't think it's an unlikable team. Astros, I got it. Some Yankee teams, I get it. Coming up next, is it leadership? Talent? What is it with Aaron and the Steelers? I've got to take next. The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Katie Couric
Episode of Next Question with Me Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
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Katie Couric
His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
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Colin Cowherd
Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you?
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Katie Couric
Okay, okay, I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.
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Colin Cowherd
To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to to recognize the real issues.
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Katie Couric
Open your free iHeartRadio app search next Question with Katie Couric and listen. Now.
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Hell in Heaven Podcast Narrator
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Colin Cowherd
They lose it.
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Greg Cosell
They actually lose.
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Katie Couric
They sort of went nuts.
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Hell in Heaven Podcast Narrator
Until one night, everything spins out of control. Listen to Hell in Heaven on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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J. Mac
Tomorrow. The World Series begins on Fox as Shohei Otani and the reigning champion Dodgers take on Vlad Jr. In the blue J. Jays. Game one of the World Series coverage begins tomorrow, seven Eastern on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Dodgers are nine and one in the postseason. I thought the Milwaukee Series was shocking. The brewers hit.118. That's not going to happen with Toronto, but it's a historic run. And if the Dodgers win, they officially classify as a dynasty. And what's scary for everybody else is Rocky and Yoshi and Otani hasn't even played particularly well in most of the postseason. Mookie Betts is in his prime. They got some older guys for sure, but it's a lot of these players are young and not even in their prime yet. By the way, on the gambling story with the FBI, the way I look at all of this stuff, the reality of a free society is it allows people to make really poor choices. And I don't want to live in a society with perpetual stop signs. If you can't monitor your eating and your alcohol and your cannabis and you're gambling, many of us can. Most of us. So when you live in a society with the freedoms and the liberties that America has, it does allow a lot of poor choices. Don't make them. Okay. That's how I look at all this stuff. I don't want to live in a rigid society or a society that's constantly telling me, you can't do that. Nor do I want to be friends with people who are precious and idealistic and unrealistic. I had a cocktail last night. I didn't have two. I had a beautiful dinner and a cocktail and then I put it down and watched the NBA for the next two hours. And I feel bad for people that make poor choices. But this is the downside to being in a society that has so many freedoms and opportunities. People screw themselves up. People do not do a good job of managing themselves. Not all people. Maybe not a majority of people. But as we see this morning with the FBI story, plenty of people. Okay, so I saw a headline today. Aaron Rodgers is a different kind of leader. One the Steelers needed baloney. He's competent. That's all this, this offense is about. Aaron's confident. Go back to Big Ben. 2020, 2021. Do you remember those teams? They couldn't run the ball. And I remember a lot of punts. Then they pivoted to Kenny Pickett 22 and 23. They couldn't pass the ball. And I remember a lot of punts. And then they pivoted to Justin Fields and Russell Wilson last year and they couldn't do anything. And they were atrocious in the red zone. This team is good in the red zone better and they're pretty good on third down and they run it a little better and they don't throw it down the field a ton, but they're just competent. This is not about leadership. It's about a grown up who's been around. Aaron moves better than people give him credit for. He's doing a good job of using the size of his top four targets. And that's what this really is. It's his passer rating right now. 105 is the highest for any Steeler quarterback ever. So old Big Ben, it was ugly. They couldn't run. And then Kenny Pickett. That was ugly. They couldn't pass last year. They couldn't do anything. In fact, the two quarterbacks they let go of from last year are, oh and nine this year and, and Mike Tomlin won 10 games with the guys last year. So Mike Tomlin just needed competency. It's not about leadership. Aaron makes good decisions. He still moves okay. He really does. He's not Drake May or he's not Bo Nix. He moves fine and he's confident and he loves football and he talks football and Mike Tomlin addresses that.
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Greg Cosell
He loves it. It's who he is.
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Colin Cowherd
He loves the process. He loves to talk ball.
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Greg Cosell
He loves to educate his teammates to.
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Colin Cowherd
Get on the same page. He doesn't tire in terms of seeking resolution to issues. It's just a lot of good things about him other than obviously his physical talents and skills that have been really impressive.
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Greg Cosell
And, and again, as I mentioned, not.
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Colin Cowherd
That I'm not shocked, not that I'm shocked by it, but it's still highly appreciated. The only thing I worry about, I mean, Aaron Rodgers at this point is precious cargo, like when he, when he makes a great play. Please, if you're a 340 pound lineman, Broderick Jones, please don't rush over and tackle Aaron Rodgers. I know it's like one of those packages you send and you, you know, you put the ribbon around it like fragile. Aaron talked about that. The only tackle I had the other night was Broderick. So other than that, I'm feeling pretty good. Rod is always the first one to come find me after a play. It could be like the first big pass down to DK on third down. He's coming and dapping me up. And what you don't see in the video is Right after the throw, he's coming over to me and shaking me and shaking me. And like I text him, I said, hey, man, I love your energy. I love everything you're about. But also, I'm 41, okay? You can't be out there tackling me. Yeah, he's a bit precious cargo. I actually love the Steelers in this spot this weekend. This is one of my favorite numbers. It's come down and the reason I like it is because Mike Tomlin as an underdog at home, chip on his shoulder. Aaron, you know he wants to play well against the packers and Green Bay's playing with their food. They haven't been overly impressive, even though the Colts and the packers are the only teams with only one loss. So it's a great spot. I think it's one of the real entertaining games of the week. I think the two games I really want to watch, I think this game's interesting. I think, think if, if Lamar Jackson plays, we can look at the schedule. I think if Lamar Jackson plays that game of the Bears is really, really interesting. And I, and I, and I'll say this, I think the Giants at Philadelphia is interesting. The Giants are real. What you're seeing with the Giants is not a mirage. Sometimes in February, September when the weather's good, teams look real glossy and speedy and quick and fun. Miami Dolphins do that. But then October, November, December, it gets cold. You have to run the football. You need pass protection, your quarterback needs to have a stronger arm and they, and they kind of regress. I think the New York Giants are real and I think they'll give Philadelphia a real game. I think Jackson dart has been surprising. It is not a great, it is not a great schedule this weekend. There are a lot of quarterbacks hurt. But just read this from Jeff Zribik. He's a reporter. Lamar Jackson is practicing second straight day. Seem to be working at a similar rate as of yesterday. So I think that the Chicago Bears have won four straight J. Mac and they've been beating kind of the the dregs of the NFL. This would be an impressive win. Baltimore is getting healthy. I will say this, and we talked about it earlier because there's a microscope on Caleb Williams. If you look at his first six games with Ben Johnson and Jared Goff in Detroit's first six games and Detroit had Penne Sewell and Omaron St. Brown and a very good old line. It's the same. The difference is we didn't watch golf early. We're watching Caleb. I think it's A really good game. I think the numbers inflated. Do you think with a healthy Ravens team and the one thing they have that Chicago is 4 and 2. Of course they want to win.
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J. Mac
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
Baltimore feels like they have to win the next five games they play. That's why I like the Ravens here year.
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J. Mac
Yeah, I'm with you. It seems like the Bears are getting not only just lucky, but the turnovers are breaking their way. They have like 13 turnovers, plus 13 in the last four games. Like, come on. And the quarterbacks, they face Spencer Rattler, Jaden Daniels in the rain, the immortal Geno Smith, and then Dak Prescott in the game, CD Lamb went down.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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J. Mac
And if you remember, they had like two or three turnovers. I believe in the red zone in that game that the Cowboys did. So I, I, I'm with you. I like the Ravens. Colin, you're making me nervous here, man. You're on a heater and you don't like the games. I mean, if you're not seeing stuff you like this weekend, what are the rest of us going to do? And I'm not with you on Pittsburgh, though. I don't see what you're seeing there besides the Mike Tomlin as an underdog at home.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I will say this about Caleb Williams is he has been under such a microscope when he replaced Spencer Rattler at Oklahoma. I remember the game and you're like, oh, my God, this kid is really special. And then he goes to USC and he just, he puts up huge numbers. Then he goes to Chicago, and I think he's getting better. I think it doesn't always look pretty. And I tend to watch quarterbacks and coaches, their body language. Ben Johnson clearly gets frustrated with him. But Caleb this week talked about Ben and their relationship.
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Greg Cosell
There are things that I can be better at. There are things that I'm going to be better at. There are things that, you know, that, that, you know, weren't hitting today and, and, you know, you just have those days sometimes. And it's nice that we have a defense, we have a special teams, a punter or whatever you want to say, kicker that can put us ahead, that can help us win games, a run game that can, you know, control the game. And so, you know, we get this figured out on my side. We'll be, you know, we'll be putting up a lot of points to be very dangerous.
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Colin Cowherd
Big story today, the NBA, the FBI, J. Mac and I talked about that. That it is, these are accusations. It's not a good day for Chauncey Billups who I always thought was one of the more kind of mature players, coaches in the NBA. Not a great day. I will say there was some Internet video of Terry Rosier with Miami. That stuff surfaced last year and you know, there were a lot of people saying this is weird video. Like it looks intentional. Do you remember, you remember seeing that?
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J. Mac
Yeah, certainly. Now I will say the, his, his agent came out or his lawyer. Sorry, ter. Rosier came out and is staunchly defending. Hey, he Talked to the FBI multiple times in 23. The NBA interviewed him for over a year. He's been cleared by the league. That video is extremely suspicious when you watch it. But I, I, I don't know what to make of Rosier. Just to be clear, you did make a good point. The billup stuff is totally separate from gambling on the NBA. That's the poker game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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J. Mac
With the alleged mafia. And, and there are some videos circulating that, that, that you know, from Reddit and stuff that are worth watching. I'll just say that in regard to those poker games, but I don't know. Do you think Adam Silver's like really nervous about this? I mean, well, I think NHL just got in bed with Kalshi, you know, the prediction market. So the sports leagues are intertwined with gambling. You know that.
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Colin Cowherd
Of course they are. Yeah. And, and, and so, you know, I, I, I don't, I'm not going to get on my high horse. I think transparency like this, I said these are, these are actually good days. Like let's, let's find the bad actors. But it's La Cosa nostra's involved like 13 members of LA Cosa Nostra.
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Greg Cosell
Not great.
- [52:26]
Colin Cowherd
No, but I listen, man, they've done documentaries on Henry Hill Boston College in the 70s. Hour three now. The Toyota Certified used vehicle sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota with warranties that begin on the day of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. So don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today. But hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd. Toyota Certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one. Inventory may vary by dealer. Participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited warranties. See TCUV warranty supplement ToyotaCertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details on the latest.
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Katie Couric
Episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a Few questions my way.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, Are you ready for another question?
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J. Mac
Go ahead, hit me, Bernie.
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Katie Couric
We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown. Listen to next question. With me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Hello, America's sweetheart. Johnny Knoxville here. I want to tell you about my new true crime podcast, Crimeless Hillbilly Heist from Smartless Media, Campside Media and big money players. It's a wild tale about a gang of high functioning nitwits who somehow pulled off America's third largest cash heist. Kind of like Robin Hood, except for the part where he steals from the.
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Greg Cosell
Rich and gives the to the poor. I'm not that generous.
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J. Mac
It's a damn near inspiring true story.
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Colin Cowherd
For anyone out there who's ever shot for the moon, then just totally muffed up the landing. They stole $17 million and had not bought a ticket to help him escape.
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Hell in Heaven Podcast Narrator
So we're sitting like, oh God, what do we do?
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Greg Cosell
What do we do?
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Colin Cowherd
That was dumb. People, do not follow my example. Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the.
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J. Mac
Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
What's up everybody? It's snacks from the Trap nerds. And all October long, we're bringing you the horror boogity booty boogity. We kicking off this month with some.
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Greg Cosell
Of my best horror games to keep you terrified.
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Colin Cowherd
Then we'll be talking about our favorite.
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Greg Cosell
Horror and Halloween movies and figuring out.
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Colin Cowherd
Why black people always die first. And it's the return of Tony's horror show, Sidewalk Quest, written and narrated by yours truly. We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary, and we'll cap it off with a horror movie battle royale. Open your free iHeartRadio app and search Trap Nerds podcast and listen now.
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Greg Cosell
This is an iHeart podcast.