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THE HERD - Hour 2 -Dabo Swinney ignoring the portal, Caleb Williams might be benched, the start of the CFB season, Yogi Roth
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Yogi Roth
Now let's get this party started.
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Jason McIntyre
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back. Our number two, more action packed sports news happening seemingly every 15 minutes. I don't know, maybe it's just the luck of Rachel Nichols and I filling in for Colin. There's just a lot happening. It's happening. It's all happening. Now, Rachel, you know, during the show, I, I can't be on Twitter because it gets in your brain and messes you up and I've got this flow. Yes, yes.
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Rachel Nichols
And what would argue Twitter messes with.
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Jason McIntyre
Your brain at all times, but yes, awesome. Less is more when it comes to social media. Anyways, we'll have shortly Yogi Roth, really good dude, knows college football as well as anybody. He's coming up in like five minutes. But first I wanted to go on a little riff about Dabo Sweeney. Now listen, him and Colin have a checkered history. Remember after he won a national championship, he was needling him. Listen, there was a moment where Dabo was the man in college football. Has he taken over for Nick Saban? Obviously. They had Taj Boyd and then they had desean Watson and they went toe to toe with Bama. It was an awesome era. Enter what's his name? Trevor Lawrence. Like, they had a great run, but then the game done changed and this thing called the transfer portal came out of COVID and all of a sudden, boom. Everybody's building their team in different ways now. As I've said multiple times here on my podcast, I'm obsessed with team building. You guys know I coach my kids in youth sports. So knowing the kids and the parents through school and stuff, I know who to avoid. I know that kid's really good. He's a nightmare at practice. And oh, by the way, his parents are going to be texting me about playing tough. I don't need that headache. So I'm going to, I'm going to pass on that. The transfer portal does not totally allow you to dive deep the way you can with recruiting. You can track a kid for. I don't Know, two, three, four, five years, right through middle school and high school. You could get your little family. Like, the recruiting process is slow and can bear a lot of fruit. The transfer portal is fast, expensive, and buyer beware. Caveat emptor. You don't know what you're getting. Why is that guy leaving the team? You could try to get info, right? He had a good year at wherever school. Why is he looking to leave? Is he. Does he want a ton of money? Did he beef with teammates? You guys know I own a minority owner in a Mexican soccer team at the top league there, and I went to see them against Lionel Messi in Miami, and I'm yucking it up with the GM in the front office, and I'm asking, oh, so what happened with this guy? And then you start to find out the internal stuff that's not in the media. And, like, my daughter currently plays volleyball, so we've been playing for a few years. And, you know, the local coaches, you start talking to them and they start to identify, yeah, that kid's good, but the parents, the kid, toxic. We want the good people. And you can't really find out who's good in the transfer portal. Now, there are some success stories, right? Tcu, smu, Indiana, some of these guys pop. Dabo has been staunchly against it for the longest time, and everybody's mocking him, and he's like, well, I'm going to zig when everybody's zagging. Okay, okay, fair enough. Well, he changed his tune just a little this year. Just a little. And you're wondering, well, I wonder what that's about. And by many accounts, all those guys he drafted and rode with, he didn't say, oh, that guy's struggling. I'm going to bring in a ringer from USC or whatever to take his spot. No, you play through your struggles, you grow as a player in person, and you ride it out as a team. You don't have any toxic issues in the locker room, which is. You get a lot of that in the portal. So Dabo got a couple guys, and all of a sudden you start looking at mock drafts and you're like, how loaded is Clemson? Wait, what? Four of the top 15 players in an athletic mock draft are from Clemson? Are they that good? And then you look at Cade Clubnick and you're like, wow, this guy, I don't know. You know, I saw him against Texas Light. I didn't. I didn't totally see it. Dabo knows something, and I think he knows he's got a loaded team. And there was a really interesting article that he dove into about his thought process and essentially the article was asking what if he was right, saying no to the portal, building it his way and he wins a national championship this year. That's a fascinating topic that I had not really thought of until you start seeing just how stat Clemson is. So we're going to bring in Yogi Roth, a longtime college football pundit. He was with the, he's currently with the Big Ten network. I know Yogi personally. We had a dinner, I don't know, four months ago. He's a really sharp guy. And Yogi, I'm curious, where do you stand heading into the season on this Clemson Dabo Sweeney situation?
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Yogi Roth
Well, I think everybody who's in college football kind of was curious what they're not going to play in that space. If you go back in the history of when the portal began and it's not like this vast history who struggled in it. Stanford wasn't going to take a bunch of players in it. Vanderbilt, like these high academic institutions like you couldn't just get anybody in. But you saw that blue bloods in college football they threw down on this thing. Look at Lincoln Riley in year two after Caleb Williamson wins the Heisman, they rebuilt their entire offensive front and the transport didn't necessarily work out. So you had some where it worked and some where it didn't. You rarely if ever have seen teams go to the mountaintop strictly through the portal. Now you can supplement. Ohio State was a beautiful example like that. Look who whether it's Will Howard, Quinton Junkins, like there's key players on their team last year that came via the portal. But no team, especially up front can get to the mountaintop. In fact, I believe the final four teams last year in the cfp, I think there was only one offensive lineman among the four that came via the portal. So I think there's something to sitting developing in the trenches. I think it was going to be fascinating to see this thing play out. If Clemson is able to live up to preseason expectations, find their way back to the playoff but make noise this time in the College Football Playoff is will other high school players. And you know we had this dinner because it was the elite 11. I'm around the top high school players in the country every summer. Are they willing to come and accept that I've got to sit and wait and learn. They did it back in the day when I was coaching at Science. They clearly have done it here at Clemson. I don't know if that's a rinse and repeat every year. Like, once you get it going, it doesn't slow down. But I think that's a really hard thing to navigate in this era. So we'll see. Like, do they roll this year with a veteran laden team much like the last two national championship teams did? Veteran laden because guys came back in nil because they could be paid like NFL players or you could argue even better than certain NFL players. So I think it's a nuanced argument is kind of my point. I don't think you can say as a head coach, we're gonna do it, we're not gonna do it. We're just gonna supplement. Like, you've got to navigate this thing because you're also navigating financial chemistry in a locker room that is real. You're also gonna navigate 105 scholarships now, which is real. Like, there's a lot of, I think things that they go into it. What I respect most about the coach of Clemson and Coach Sweeney is that he threw down and he committed to what mattered most to him. He had clarity around what mattered most. He was confident in it and then he was disciplined in how he played it out. And now we'll see this roster play this coming season, of course, this weekend against lsu.
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Jason McIntyre
So, I mean, it's a phenomenal discussion to have. And you said something smart players now don't want to sit anymore. What do you think changed? Was it social media? Was it nil? A combination of both. Something else. Why all of a sudden does nobody want to sit? I mean, I remember Quinn Ewers went to Ohio State early, remember, got a bunch of nil money. And then he was like, I'm out of here, I'm leaving. And it's like, nobody wants to take any time anymore. Everybody wants to be either famous or a star or play instantly. When did that change? Can you pinpoint like a, an era or a time?
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Yogi Roth
Well, I don't think anybody ever wanted to sit. I mean, I think back when I was playing, you remember Tyler Palko from way back in the day. Like he came in as a five star player, didn't want to sit at Pennsylvania hit. You think about big time recruits. These 11 quarterbacks never wanted to. I just think that now what has happened in the sport that we all love and I get to thankfully call it day job every day of my life, is you can dip, you can leave, you can leave easily, you can leave without penalty, you can leave without sitting, and you can leave knowing there's opportunity and to Me, I think the biggest challenge, and let's just stay on the quarterback thing for a minute. In high school, it's being developed at the greatest rates in the history of the game. I think in college it's a challenge. Now, to your point of. All right, I'm going to come in and I'm the guy. Okay, what do I need to do if I'm the head coach and I need to win? Let's just be very vanilla right now. I'm going to give you 12 concepts. Half field reads, read one defender and you're going one to two or you're running like that. That's really how it starts. Because you want to get these guys on the field. You're paying high legit quarterbacks, you're making over $2 million. Like 1.5 to me is the floor. 161718 with a house in a lambo is reality. Like that's just what it is. So what matters most. I love that phrase. The best leaders to me and you reference leadership and coaching. I've done those studies too. The best ones have clarity around the things that matter most. So to a quarterback, you've got to give them that clarity. Let's just look at Dante Moore. I think Dante Moore is going to take the college football world by storm starting this weekend. So for the Oregon Ducks, he went to ucla, played, struggled, transferred, and he sat across from me when he transferred and he said, I want to go sit and learn. It takes a discipline to say like when I play a la Arch Manning, when I play Allah Julian saying, like, these guys making their first legit starts as season opener dudes, they said, I want to rip. That was us back in the day when I was at sc, Leiner didn't play off the jump. No, he sat, waited and crushed it. John David booty, he was the first guy to ever leave high school early. We see this all the time now. He sat, waited, cut it loose, went to two Rose Bowls. Mark Sanchez sat, waited three years, started one season and was a first round pick. Like that thought process is few and far between. And I get it because now even if you do sit, the coach can be saying, jason hasn't played for a couple years. Like he hasn't been in competitive environments. Is he rusty? Because this guy out of Tulane looks pretty sweet. Let me go get him. He just threw for 5,000 yards. So the advice to recruits is across the board. You might say to your child, if they were a big time recruit, hey, go play at Southern Miss and go kill it as a freshman, as a sophomore, get tape at South Dakota State, wherever it might be, and then take your jump for big money versus take big money as a freshman. Maybe get thrown into it, not ready for it, maybe not. And now you have to transfer and your value has decreased.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Yogi Roth
So again, I just say it's so nuanced, which is why it's a fun conversation. Like, I don't think it's one way or the other when it comes to this man. Like, and that's what makes a little Levin fun, because we get to talk to these families openly and confidentially about this is reality. When I wrote the book Five Star QB man, out of all the 138 quarterbacks who've been ranked five star quarterbacks in the history of the game, only one has ever won a Super bowl and it was stafford on team two in year 13. So it's never going to go as you envision.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me ask. Let's dovetail that into Arch Manning, who has famously sat for a few years. A couple years. And Steve Spurrier came out this summer and was like, well, how good is this guy? I mean, he couldn't beat out Quinn Ewers. Quinn Ewers fell to the seventh round. How good is Arch Manning? I'll ask you. Do we know how good Arch Manning is?
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Yogi Roth
No. I mean, you just have to be blunt about it. Like, that's just the reality. We don't know how good anybody is who hasn't played.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Yogi Roth
And we don't know how good these teams are that aren't ranked. Like, I'm calling USC's opener this weekend on Big Network. They are not ranked in the top 25. But what does an AP voter even know? They're not going to practice. They didn't have a spring game. Do you know what I'm saying? So I think for Arch, do we know that he's incredibly talented? Yeah, he had a really high ceiling. His pedigree is as good as you'll ever find in the history of the quarterback position, at least in our lifetimes. I go to what I trust the most, which is Steve Sarkeesian. I learned football from him in my four years learning under him at usc. And all those guys I just referenced that sat, waited and let it rip, they were all under his tutelage. So I think there's something really powerful to quarterbacks who are able to just take a beat. I can remember a huge recruit in, in la. He went and started as a true freshman, killed it as a freshman sophomore. He finally he gets hurt and he says to me, I think it was his sophomore season. As he gets injured mid season, he pulls me aside after practice and he goes, God, it's so nice to just take a breather. Because these guys think, think of the NFL, right? You finish your season, you go combine. Pro day interviews. Are we surprised when rookie quarterbacks hit a wall in week eight? You shouldn't be right, because they just haven't slowed down. High school recruiting is the same deal. You're the man, you're the man, you're the man. And all of a sudden you get to college and you should be playing, you should be playing early, you're getting money, you're going to classic. All these things are happening, you're losing your id. All these happen for the first time and you've got to live up to like a Texas blue blood Ohio State, a USC expectation. Like we're kidding ourselves. We think anybody can maximize their potential. They need to take a beat. So I just love what the Manning family did. Arch clearly was down with and Steve Sarkeesian presented of you're going to come here, you're going to compete, we're going to sprinkle you in to some games. You're going to get your opportunity. He did in his limited starts when Quinn was injured. And then when you get the keys to this thing, you're going to know not just how to make a half field read like I referenced earlier in read one weak side flat defender. Like, no, you're going to have all the keys, you're going to know all of the adjustments. And that's why it's going to be fun to watch because he and Julian say, I think are very similar in that regard in this game this weekend, which have we ever had a better week? One game and like the history of our time around the sport, man, it's going to be great.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean the hype for Arch obviously is massive. I am curious for Ohio State. You know, Smith probably the best player in the country. I think few would argue that, but they got like a new coaching staff, offense and defensive coordinator. I like the Buckeyes in this game. Do you have like a, an edge for either team? Obviously Ohio State's playing at home, small favorite.
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Yogi Roth
I go, I can convince myself either way. Like you go back and I was at the semifinal game and I think a Pete could go. The defensive coordinator for Texas, Jeremiah Smith, didn't do much in the game because he wasn't going to let him. He just wasn't going to let Him. Now I get it. It was 24 players drafted off of those two rosters on that field that evening in Dallas. Over 30 made it to an NFL training camp. So there are differences in terms of what we'll see this coming Saturday. So I go back and forth of the coordinator matchup. Matt Patricia, to your point, he's a new defensive coordinator. He's done everything you could do in football. He's a gm, he's a head coach, he's an oc, he's a DC now he's at Ohio State. I called their spring game on Big Ten network and it looked the part is kind of my point. Like Ohio State last year, the pressure was crazy. It was kind of like Penn State pressure of so many returners. But the talent, they didn't stop. It was the first time I would say Jason that I ever felt like somebody a team reminded me of USC when I was coach because I walked out to practice and I watched them compete and I was like, oh, nothing is given, everything is earned because the competitive depth is so real at every position. So I think we'll just get a classic game and I think you've heard both coaches say it throughout this week of just go play that game. Because thankfully that's like the winner, loser of this is not going to end a season. So I want to see how guys play free and then to nerd out like in the situations. What are these play callers decide to do on both sides? Whether it's Sark going up against Patricia, you go back and forth. Ohio State obviously a new offensive coordinator as well and Brian Hartline going against the aforementioned Pete Kudkowski and then like what a coaches decide to do in four down situations. Are they going to go for it? Are they going to punt? Like those will be the fun parts of this game.
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Jason McIntyre
You just said something that let me. Oh, it was about Brian Kelly and. And lsu. Hey, the loser of Ohio State. Texas is going to be fine. But I do wonder if LSU loses to Clemson, right? Brian Kelly's had a rough go here in openers. They have Florida in two weeks. It seems like this could get a little squirrely for Brian Kelly. You hear a lot of negative stories about his personality. I don't know him personally, but I was with a guy recently who was being recruited heavily by him at, let's just say previous to Notre Dame and not a lot of nice things about Brian Kelly and he's starting to get beat up a little bit. Your thoughts on if he's in trouble? Forget about the buyout just in trouble in general?
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Yogi Roth
I don't think so. I think this roster is pretty stacked and again, I think, I think the good thing in college football and I think all the college football fans now are saying, thankfully we've got these great games, let's keep that up. Let's not get to, you know, games and non conference play that don't necessarily have major stakes. I don't think he's in trouble in that regard. Now granted in the Southeast and in that conference, you lose a game and don't read anything until you play another one and hopefully get a win. Like it's always ridiculous. It's always absurd in terms of the expectation of the fanfare or the fandom around it. And of course the dialogue flows with that. I heard you and Rachel talking about Twitter. Like that'll be not a place to go to for well sourced content or news if you're an LSU fan and they happen to lose this coming weekend. But I think their roster is talented. I'm a big fan of Garrett Nussmeier. I can remember babysitting him when he was a kid and I go see Doug and his family up at Washington when he was the offensive coordinator up there. So to watch his path against Kate Klubnick, another guy, both of these guys really threw down on themselves. So we want to come on back and lead a program to a place we're accustomed to be which is playing for big time trophies. So I love this program. I think they're great examples for all the young quarterbacks out there. And yeah, the losing coach will get it. Ton of smoke. Just like he did last year when they lost the USC in Las Vegas in the opener. But that's what you signed up for. No. 1 Scott Woodward, like the athletic director at LSU. They're steady there. I, I'm not too worried about that.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. We could wrap up with Notre Dame, Miami. So car. You know the media loves this buildup. Tear down Carson Beck this time last year. Oh, he's going to win the Heisman. He's going to be the number one pick in 2025 and didn't quite go his way. Kind of Spencer Rattler style. And then he gets injured, transfers to Miami. I think he got the Lambo and the bag from the Hurricanes. But I am curious. Miami, Notre Dame. I like Notre Dame. Going on the road here. Your thoughts on the game.
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Yogi Roth
Can't wait. You know, knowing Mario Cristobal and watching him build this thing. Right. Who doesn't remember if you're our age The Canes. And then you look at this game and you know, we've all seen the 30 for 30. It's going to be awesome to watch the environment in the game. Like the build up for these games might be better than the games in the three games that we just reference, man, to be honest with you, because it's, it's so big and, and it's going to be a great game. But I think Notre Dame to me is tracking, I think under Marcus Freeman of how he's adjusted this program to whether it's accepting more guys in the transfer portal, whether it's just recruiting at a higher clip. You saw that they play with a sense of freedom last year. I mean, a couple snaps away you could argue from. I don't know if they were ever the better team than Ohio State, but what a valiant comeback that they had in that game to make it a four quarter ball game. I think Notre Dame is tracking, but I think Miami is going to be off the hook. Like the only thing it would be better if this was at the old Orange bowl in a place that very few of us can probably remember. But it would just go absolutely bonkers every time the old school, early 2000s games would play. I hope it's that energy. And I think for Carson, to your point, that's the world that we're in. That's the nuanced part of the portal. And nil of you are catching like legitimately targeted negativity at you. You're not just kind of catching strays on the back of a radio show. Like you're getting it all day long. And I get it. Like sometimes you got to wear it. That's part of being a pseudo professional athlete, especially at the quarterback position. But I don't know, man, I think I'll have a big season. I think this offense, what they did last year, Miami was really impressive, of course, with Cam Ward and all the success he had in that program under coach Criswell. So I think we'll get another classic and I think we should like the more of these every week in a non conference play, the better for the game.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, amazing. All right. Yogi Roth, author, filmmaker, Big Ten Network. He does it all. Yogi, great stuff as always. Thanks a lot, buddy.
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Yogi Roth
You got it, man. Lots of love. Talk to you soon.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. Yogi Roth really knows college football has me geeked for the weekend. Oh my gosh, three really good games. You know what else has me geeked? Apparently there's another record breaking NFL extension just breaking right now we'll talk about that next one more heard the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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Rachel Nichols
Hey, everybody, I'm Angela Rai, co host of Native Lamp Pot with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens of politics and culture, we talk with you every week.
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Jason McIntyre
And to make sense of this madness, I've been telling Angela I don't even know how to fight back Right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves. That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country. Rest is certainly a form of self.
- [28:32]
Rachel Nichols
Care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish.
- [28:40]
Jason McIntyre
But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it. We're like family, but we disagree all the time. And we love when our listeners chime in what would happen if we built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South. Tiffany, do not run to no rural South. I don't know what you're on. What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action. Listen to Native Lamp Pod on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast back here on the Herd. Great stuff from Yogi Raw. Listen, college football has me very excited, guys. This weekend has three amazing games. Cannot wait. But let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.
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Yogi Roth
No, no. Heard on the news.
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Jason McIntyre
This is the Herd line news.
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Rachel Nichols
Jason, some breaking news. This is what we promised earlier in the hour in Baltimore. Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have just agreed to a four year, hundred point four million dollars extension. Get this, 82 million of it is guaranteed. The previous mark in guaranteed money for his safety, 45 million to Antwan Winfield Jr. What? In Tampa. So we are talking about a nearly 40, $40 million leap in guaranteed money over the previous standard. It's just insane.
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Jason McIntyre
Why would they do that?
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Rachel Nichols
Well, he's so valuable, right? Because he's kind of a chess piece that. I mean, he can't play defensive line, but pretty much any other position on the field they can slot him into if they need to. I mean, you already had these guys as a Super bowl contender.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
What do you think it does to lock a down guy like this down?
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Jason McIntyre
So what do you think they're doing paying him like a hybrid linebacker slash safety? Because 40 million more than the previous record is insane. That just resets the market for. I mean, that screws a lot, right?
- [30:40]
Rachel Nichols
I mean, 40 more million guaranteed total for the package. It's not 40 million more, but still it's. It's a huge number. And I think it's about four and a half million more a year overall than any other safety. So they are resetting the market that way a little bit.
- [30:53]
Jason McIntyre
Well, I mean, I'm looking at Pro Football focus. So as a rookie, he was the top upgraded safety in the league. Then he was sixth, and then he was second. So he's a superstar. And like, he is that chess piece who can guard Travis Kelce and tackle CMAC in space. And then if he has to match up with the receiver, so be it, you know?
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. And look, this is a team that had the best injury luck of any defense in the NFL last year, so you can't count on that again. Yeah, right. So you might need him to plug some of those holes.
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Jason McIntyre
And they went out and who did they? Oh, they drafted Malachi Starks, the kid out of Georgia. So they're. They got two safeties. They're doing it differently. Yeah, like, people don't really invest in safety. They do the edge rushers in the corners. Yeah. They're going linebacker and safety. It's an interesting experiment. Smart stuff, Right?
- [31:37]
Rachel Nichols
Look, it's like buying a house, right? It doesn't have to be the price that anyone else in the world wants to pay. It's what is. What is one buyer want to pay for it? Well, the Ravens want to buy.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, Kyle. So there you go. I like it. I mean, there you go.
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Rachel Nichols
All right, let's talk about the 49ers. You know, they traded for Brian Robinson Jr. Earlier in the week. That added him to the backfield with, of course, a right now healthy Christian McCaffrey. Those two guys have had some reps together, and Robinson has made a bold claim about their future together in Kyle Shanahan's office.
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Yogi Roth
My job right now is just to compliment him the best way I can.
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Jason McIntyre
And we gonna be the best duo in the league.
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Yogi Roth
I see opportunities for myself, you know, regardless, you know, I know CMAC going.
- [32:22]
Rachel Nichols
To do his thing, you know, and.
- [32:23]
Yogi Roth
I'm gonna be ready to do my thing for sure.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, like I told you know.
- [32:27]
Yogi Roth
Mr. Lynch before I got here, I'm like, look, you know, I respect, you know, everybody. I respect the room. I respect cmac, but I'm a competitor. I come here to compete.
- [32:37]
Rachel Nichols
Best backfield duo in the game.
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Jason McIntyre
Hmm. I have to give that some thought. But listen, this guy was big time. Do you remember him at Alabama as a senior? 1300 yards rushing, 14 touchdowns. I thought he was good in Washington. I was surprised they moved off. In my guess, it's because he wants the bag. And then, like, we're not doing that.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, No, I mean, last year, if you look, he had A career high 8 rushing touchdowns, 4.3 yards of carry overall in his first three NFL seasons. 2,319 rush yards, 15 rushing touchdowns. So he's got the numbers built up. I mean, I would say that. Detroit.
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Jason McIntyre
Detroit, yes. That's the team.
- [33:13]
Rachel Nichols
Tampa. These all have strong running back duos, but I love that he's putting himself out there.
- [33:21]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I mean, Saquon's backup is what, Will Shipley? Yeah. No, Detroit. I think you're right. Detroit has probably the best backfield with Montgomery and Gibbs.
- [33:29]
Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
But this is a really good one. Yeah, I like how you're wedging a lot of former Washington or current Washington player. It is. I'm just saying, I do that with the Jets. Same deal.
- [33:39]
Rachel Nichols
Although let's not bring up the Washington defense again. You've already done that once a show. You have to. It's the fight club rule of being a commander's fan. We don't talk about defense. Thank you.
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Jason McIntyre
Just offense.
- [33:50]
Rachel Nichols
Just offense. It's very happy around here. All right, college football. You just had a great interview there. And let's talk about Bill Belichick, set to play his first game since taking over the program. The Tar Heels host TCU Monday night. And Jason, as we know, Colin is off this week, but his presence, never far away. He was just on the Joel Platt show making an interesting comparison for North Carolina. Take a listen.
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Jason McIntyre
40 transfers. I mean, come on. I mean, I mean, I mean, Bill was hard on his first and second round draft picks to start. Like, he liked to draft guys, sit him, learn the system, and then play him year two. And those were like 24 year old guys. And, you know, like, Bill rarely went and spent big money in free agency until like that, one of those final years. I don't know. It's got a Colorado feel to it. That's why it's so ironic they're opening with tcu, which is who Dion opened with at Colorado.
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Rachel Nichols
I mean, look, Dion did some amazing things his first year right at Colorado in terms of off the field or around. The program got so much more excitement there. Television presence, merch, ticket sales. I think enrollment for the entire university system went up, you know, but he was only 4 and 8. So when we look, it's about the pomp and circumstance.
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Jason McIntyre
Forget the record.
- [35:12]
Rachel Nichols
Right? Yeah, whatever. Well, for Belichick, I got to think the standards a little bit higher. I mean, they were 6 and 7 without him last year. So where do you think they've got a hit in his first season for him not to get any?
- [35:25]
Jason McIntyre
I mean, if they be. If they win the Opener. The schedule is favorable. They have Clemson, but I don't see why they can't win nine games. Like other than the Clemson game, where are they going to be? You know, maybe going to Cal. Well, now they got a week off before that trip, but it's not like there's even any brutal road trips there. Syracuse lost their quarterback. I don't know. I don't see why they can't. If they go 9 and 3 or 10 and 2, that's a huge success.
- [35:51]
Rachel Nichols
Huge. Absolutely.
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Jason McIntyre
What would be a failure? 5, 500.
- [35:55]
Rachel Nichols
Yeah. I mean Collins obviously talking about such a huge number of transfers. Can you integrate them into the team? And then there's the off field distractions too. This is my favorite news item of the day. Non football division. Belichick and Jordan Hudson, his lovely, quite young girlfriend have filed for a trademark for the phrase gold digger. What specifically?
- [36:18]
Jason McIntyre
Tell me.
- [36:18]
Rachel Nichols
For a new line of jewelry and gold related products.
- [36:23]
Jason McIntyre
Wait, come on, is this real for other young women?
- [36:25]
Rachel Nichols
It's real for other young women who might want to bag a NFL coach 50 years older than them. She's got the jewelry for you.
- [36:32]
Jason McIntyre
So wait, it's a joint. They filed it jointly.
- [36:35]
Rachel Nichols
Well, so he now has a company that she is, I believe, the president of or some the management of. And that company under her has filed for the trademark gold digger. And you have to file sort of what you want that expression for. Right. You can't just trademark gold digger in general.
- [36:52]
Jason McIntyre
Words been around for decades.
- [36:53]
Rachel Nichols
Exactly. But they are the first people to get to and trademark for a jewelry line. And you know, it would appeal to the young woman who might want to be a gold digger. I guess. I don't know.
- [37:06]
Jason McIntyre
Rachel, you're choosing your words carefully. I am. Take a deep breath. I want to hear your real thoughts because I feel like you're about to unload. Listen. So how many, how many houses did he buy this woman?
- [37:16]
Rachel Nichols
I think it was three so far.
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Jason McIntyre
And now he's helping her get gold jewelry.
- [37:21]
Rachel Nichols
I mean there's, there's been a whole bunch of sort of side projects that she's financially benefiting from. Here. Her argument would be that she is leading the charge business wise for him, since he is.
- [37:31]
Jason McIntyre
For him or for her?
- [37:32]
Rachel Nichols
Well, again, she would argue.
- [37:34]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [37:35]
Rachel Nichols
So it's actually happening. Happening might be a different story. That's all I'm saying.
- [37:40]
Jason McIntyre
I don't, I don't know anybody who's knows anybody in a similar situation with a 50 year age gap. I don't. There can't be a Lot of that. But at what point do the Belichick family have to be like, we need to call. What's it called when you call? Call like the family in and surprise them.
- [37:54]
Rachel Nichols
Intervention.
- [37:55]
Jason McIntyre
Intervention, yeah. How could I not remember? I have Dylan McKay from 9020 in my head for some reason. The 90210 intervention from 30 years ago.
- [38:02]
Rachel Nichols
Anyway, Donna Martin graduates.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes, yes. Classic. I just, at some point do they have to like, get him in and be like, yo, Bill, the warning. I know you, you're. What is it they're saying? You can't read the in. You can't read the bottle label from inside the bottle. But he's like inside this thing and he doesn't really see what's going on. And Julian Edelman pops in here sometimes and I'm not going to say his stuff, but, you know, off air, he's definitely talked about this story. I'll just leave it at that. And this is a tough one, man.
- [38:36]
Yogi Roth
There's.
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Rachel Nichols
There's certainly been reporting without specific quotes coming from family and friends, but there has been reporting with people with well placed sources who have known these either high ranking Patriots players or family members for a long time, saying that there is concern. I mean, look, even when she just first came on the scene, there's the huge age difference, as you said, nearly 50 years. Her mom is a sex shop owner.
- [39:01]
Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Rachel Nichols
The dad is a retired fisherman. It's just the whole, you know, she, as you pointed out the other day, graduated from cosmetology school as her qualification to run this business. So there is. To say there's some concern is an understatement. But look, Belichick, he. He clearly seems very happy.
- [39:19]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, listen, if they get smashed by what TCU, let's say they lose 3810. Oh, boy, that's going to get tough for Bill. Yeah, because the obvious. Where's his focus? He's always filing trademarks, buying their houses. Where's the football?
- [39:33]
Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Monday night. You said Monday, eight o'. Clock. Oh, boy, that's. I need to make. Check the calendar, make sure I put that in. So I'm not anywhere. No basketball Monday night.
- [39:44]
Rachel Nichols
I don't like to quote Kanye these days, but you know, the lines. Holds.
- [39:49]
Jason McIntyre
Kanye West. I forgot about that.
- [39:51]
Rachel Nichols
Not saying she's a gold digger.
- [39:54]
Jason McIntyre
Oh, we're still live on air. Rachel. Oh, my God. Oh, damn. Okay. Rachel with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd line.
- [40:06]
Yogi Roth
Wow.
- [40:07]
Jason McIntyre
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Yogi Roth
Okay.
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Yogi Roth
Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of.
- [43:51]
Jason McIntyre
The Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth MacFarlane, the Creator, a family guy, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project. Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? There were a few unplayed gems that we had been alerted to by Charlie Pinon of Sinatra Enterprises. So we knew that certain songs like shadow of your smile, which actually is not on this record, it'll be on the next one. Seth McFarlane, don't Rickles went up to Frank Sinatra and he said, listen, I'm.
- [44:24]
Yogi Roth
Going to be having dinner with this.
- [44:25]
Jason McIntyre
Lovely woman and I, you know, would you come over and say hi?
- [44:28]
Yogi Roth
And just so you know, because I feel like if she sees that I.
- [44:30]
Jason McIntyre
Know you, it's going to make me.
- [44:31]
Yogi Roth
Look really cool and, you know, I might have a good night. During the middle of dinner, Frank walks.
- [44:35]
Jason McIntyre
Over and says, don, hi, how are you? And Don goes, frank, please, I'm in the middle of dinner. Seth McFarland on the taking a Walk podcast. Listen to Taking a walk on the.
- [44:44]
Yogi Roth
Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who cares about truth when the lies more entertaining.
- [44:52]
Rachel Nichols
Hey, everybody, I'm Angela Rye, co host of Native Lamp with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens of politics and culture, we talk with you every week to.
- [45:02]
Jason McIntyre
Make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela, I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves. That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country. Rest is certainly a form of self.
- [45:16]
Rachel Nichols
Care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish.
- [45:24]
Jason McIntyre
But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it. We're like family, but we disagree all the time. And we love when our listeners chime in what would happen if we built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South. Tiffany, do not run to no rural South.
- [45:44]
Yogi Roth
I don't know what you're on.
- [45:46]
Jason McIntyre
What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action. Listen to native land Pod on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome home. Welcome home, y'.
- [46:04]
Rachel Nichols
All. Jason, you're excited. I'm excited. Honestly. The moment this matchup was has announced everyone has had this circled the Arch Manning era. Kicking off with a playoff rematch for the ages as number one, Texas takes on defending national champion number three, Ohio State on big noon Saturday. Coverage, of course, begins with big noon kickoff live from Columbus, 9am Eastern Saturday on Fox.
- [46:32]
Jason McIntyre
All right, I gotta be careful with Caleb Williams. I don't want to say he's fragile at the moment, but the guys had a lot going on. Rough rookie year. There were reports that, like, he was watching film by himself. Like, it's just. It was not a good introduction to the NFL. He took 68 sacks last year with tracks with what happened to him at USC his final year. He's just trying to play backyard football, you know, just run around and try to make a play. Like, that doesn't work in the NFL. It just doesn't. You need to be sorry. Brock Purdy. Drop back process and fire away. Like you got to do that now. You could say Jay Purdy had Shanahan. This guy had a clown car of coaches. Okay, fine. Enter Ben Johnson. Well, I mean, I'm going to be real with you guys. I know Ben Johnson was one of the most highly acclaimed offensive coordinators in the last 15 years. He's certainly up there in rarefied air. He was amazing in Detroit. We don't know what he's like as a head coach. And I mean, listen, he's doing these radio interviews, he's going to the podium, and I don't see a lot of positivity. So here's Ben Johnson on 670, the score in Chicago this week talking about the development of Caleb Williams.
- [47:53]
Yogi Roth
The standard has been set, the bar.
- [47:55]
Jason McIntyre
Has been set high. He has said that he wants to.
- [47:58]
Yogi Roth
Be not just one of the best.
- [48:00]
Jason McIntyre
Top five quarterbacks in this league, but.
- [48:01]
Yogi Roth
He wants to have a legacy that lasts for a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.
- [48:06]
Jason McIntyre
We're approaching it that way.
- [48:07]
Yogi Roth
That's not going to change. Is he going to be a finished.
- [48:10]
Jason McIntyre
Product here year two?
- [48:12]
Yogi Roth
No, he's going to continue to get.
- [48:13]
Jason McIntyre
Better year in and year out.
- [48:15]
Yogi Roth
And it's a process. And so we're very clear on that. You know, there is a little bit of grace here as we, as we go through it. We know he's learning, he's going to.
- [48:24]
Jason McIntyre
Take his bumps, but at the same time, as long as we're not making.
- [48:27]
Yogi Roth
The same mistake twice, we're going to be right on track and we'll be just fine.
- [48:32]
Jason McIntyre
I don't know. As long as we're not making the same mistake twice, that sounds like a message to Caleb. Like, dude, you keep making the same mistake over and over and again. Maybe I'm becoming body language guy or parsing words because we're now going on nine months without football. That kind of thing happened. Not nine, but close to nine months. And I want Caleb to succeed. But, guys, look at like the last six years, look at how many elite top 10 picks have just totally flopped. I mean, Trey Lance is on how has been. On how many teams. Zach Wilson. These guys were top five picks. Bryce Young is. I don't want to say borrowed time, but, like, if he doesn't deliver, he's gonna be done. Baker Mayfield bounced around the league after a few years in Cleveland. Like, a lot of the top picks don't pan out. Maybe it's not going to be until stop two. Then you add on this Seth Wickersham book. Seth Wickersham, close to Caleb Williams did a book on quarterbacks, and none of that stuff sounds good at all. Caleb and his family clearly had wanted nothing to do with Chicago. They don't know how to deal with quarterbacks there. They just. They've never had a great quarterback. Who's the best quarterback in Chicago Bears recent history? Rex Grossman. You have to go back to Jim McMahon in the 80s. So, like, I mean, I get it. But you add all this stuff up, the pressure of Chicago, listen, if he was in Jacksonville, nobody cares. There's no media there, no media crush descending. And now you've got a reporter, like an actual guy who covers the team saying Caleb is in danger of being benched early in the season. That doesn't happen. Here's Steve Weiss, last hour on our show talking about tough love, maybe between Caleb and Ben Johnson. I didn't see Bill Belichick ever very happy.
- [50:20]
Yogi Roth
I know Andy Reid's a nice guy, but he's not the most jovial dude up there. So, you know, in terms of how.
- [50:26]
Jason McIntyre
Guys appear at the press conference, I don't really know. You know, having been in these situations, it's like the meeting rooms and stuff.
- [50:31]
Yogi Roth
If a coach is like glazing you.
- [50:33]
Jason McIntyre
Up or are beating you down in front of the team in the meeting rooms and really humiliating you in front of your peers, that's where things really tend to ruffle feathers. Now some guys, you know, get bent out as hit by what said in the media. But in.
- [50:47]
Yogi Roth
And I don't know Ben Johnson, I've.
- [50:48]
Jason McIntyre
Been around him, but he's just an intense guy.
- [50:51]
Yogi Roth
There are intense coaches.
- [50:52]
Jason McIntyre
You've been around Sean McVay. That dude never relaxes.
- [50:56]
Yogi Roth
Now he is kind of captain positive. But you know, there's just different coaches with different styles.
- [51:04]
Jason McIntyre
I think there's a quote, praise publicly, criticize privately or something like that. Damn it, I wish I'd memorized that. But I don't hear a lot of praise from Ben Johnson. He doesn't seem happy. And again, Jay, you're over exaggerating. But to Steve's point about Belichick, I mean, we read stories for years about how in the film room with the quarterbacks, he would say, look at Tom botched this throw. I can get the local quarterback from Foxborough High School to come out and make that throw. He would say that about Brady. Now Brady ate it up and it drove him to be better, right? And thrive as a superstar. But remember Giselle, the ex wife? She was getting ticked off and there's reports, you know, hey, Bill's gotta lay off tomorrow. I mean, that's public. So there's a lot of different ways. When I hear this relationship about Caleb and Ben, I think to my kids and Rachel, obviously, you know, you have kids and we're both, you know, dealing with the kids that are growing up and it's tough. I don't want to call Caleb Williams a kid, but he's, he's a young Guy.
- [52:09]
Rachel Nichols
Yeah. I mean, look, also Ben Johnson, I have faith in him of how he's going to do as a head coach. I think there's just a lot of crossover with being an oc. But he is very precise. The reason we call him the mad scientist is because he concocts these very specific plays and very specific offensive sets. So the idea that someone like Caleb, who right now is much more improvisational, probably drives him crazy a little bit in a way that isn't necessarily Caleb Williams fault, but it's just a clash of styles that is probably adding to the fact that as he himself pointed out, Caleb is far from a finished product. And I thought it was very interesting. I don't know what you thought that he held Caleb Williams out of the first week preseason game, and it almost seemed like from reading between the lines of what he said, he said a version of. A nicer version of it'd be more embarrassing for him to go out there and fail than to be benched. Even though there was a lot of fervor around the fact that he wasn't playing and a lot of people accusing, saying, oh, he must be terrible. Oh, you know, clearly Ben Johnson thought that level of criticism was better than the level of criticism he would have got if he had already. If he had actually go down and played. So this is all kind of swirling.
- [53:22]
Jason McIntyre
Together and we saw the one video of Caleb unable to throw it into a net from like, what, five feet away?
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
That goes viral. People are crushing the kid. Can you imagine if in week one of the preseason he vomits all over himself and it's like, oh, but you know, and we talked about it this morning, if memory serves, Jared Goff.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Started out horribly with the Rams. Now he had Jeff Fisher, who was the other. Oh, Eli Manning with the Giants. Terrible. Go look at his stats in his first year.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
He was like booed off the field in New York and they were like, oh, you've ruined Eli Manning. These guys are tough and mentally they can bounce back. Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
I mean, Williams has plenty of talent. There's a reason he went where he did in the draft. Right. And so much in professional sports, it's about that matchup of fit. Right. Are you with the right coach at the right time in your career? Are there the right players around? You talked about Jaden Daniels getting those vets around him and why Washington thought that was so important. So with a guy like Caleb Williams, I think a big part of it is, is this fit right with Ben Johnson?
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Jason McIntyre
We're going to Find out probably sooner than later. Coming up, final hour, breaking news out of Kansas City and Brock Purdy. Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project. Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? Really, the most thrilling part was hiring an orchestra and just playing what was in these boxes.
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Yogi Roth
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Jason McIntyre
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Rachel Nichols
See you there.
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Jason McIntyre
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Yogi Roth
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Jason McIntyre
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Rachel Nichols
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Jason McIntyre
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Rachel Nichols
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Jason McIntyre
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Yogi Roth
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