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THE HERD - Hour 2 - Giants will be much better next season, what to expect at the NFL Draft
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Colin Cowherd
Power 2. Tomorrow marks the two week date for the NFL Draft. Dame Bugler athletic coming up in a couple of minutes. So the NBA has tried multiple different ideas to stop tanking, which is worse than ever and load management which is still a major problem. They flatten the lottery odds. You know they didn't make their stars play as many back to backs. A longer all star break. There's the the NBA cup early to create urgency. 65 game minimums to win awards. Tanking's worse. Load management's still a nightmare. Nothing's working. And successful men are driven by money. When the Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith, smart guy, was fined for alleged tanking 500 grand. He's worth $3.5 billion. That's like gas for your Gulf Stream for a family vacation to Europe. It you, you gotta to me the solve in all of this is find the hell out of people, owners, coaches and and and and if you have to players. Draymond Green said last night, hey, if we're a players league, you're always finding us. Why not find the owners more?
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Co-host or Guest on The Herd
Draymond, I get fined when I do wrong. Just fine the hell out of people. You know we love taking money from players keep fine for the teams. I've seen two fines and we all know everybody tank. The punishment for players is always let's take the money. Well now it becomes time to punish teams and all of a sudden nobody will know what to do. Why not? And we don't keep that same energy when it comes to teams, when it comes to officials, when it comes to everybody but players, we don't keep that same energy. But it's a player's league.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I'll be honest with you, there's for most successful men and NBA owners probably qualify as that. Money and fines cuts through. That's what matters. And they've tried everything. None of it's working. The tanking. This is the worst the tanking's ever been. Load management still a major problem. So it's, it's almost like Adam Silver I think is smart and very well meaning but sometimes he can remind me of like a naive politician. It's like Adam the midterms are going to be determined based on people's wallets, nothing more. That. That's not whether they like this politician or have distinct. How are people doing financially? If inflation's up, if gas is up, if eggs are expensive, that's when people in that big White House every four years get replaced. And it's when you have upheaval and pivoting during the midterms. So you can, you can, you can try to be idealistic and create the, the cup and the minimums. And if you find an NBA owner $20 million, which takes about 35 million to make in most provinces or states or jurisdiction, it takes about 35 million to get 20 after taxes. That would, that would send a message throughout the league. Now, owners may eventually want to fire Adam Silver, but I don't think any owner wakes up in the morning wanting to tank. But I mean, it's so restrictive, unlike the NFL or baseball. It's so restrictive on trades with the new aprons in the cba. What else do you do? How does Utah get good? They're about two players away and they're going to get one of them in, in the lottery. And with that, it's called the Beast. He works at the Athletic. We try to bring him on every time it's unveiled. And today is the day. Dane Brugler is joining us. NFL draft analyst for the Athletic. It's. First of all, it's the most comprehensive. I like what it says here. This, I like this. This is what I have on my screen. The Beast is the world's most comprehensive NFL draft guy. Now, I don't know about the ones in Brazil, but we consider it the best here in the States. So congratulations. I think the number two pick is fascinating. So years ago, the jets, who I would argue need seven good players and shouldn't go, shouldn't go big on ceiling. Just go get Bailey, plug and play. Years ago, they went and got Makai Becton. Everybody talked about, what a ceiling. Two picks later, Tampa's like, we like the solid guy from Iowa, Tristan. Worse. People are making it sound like, and you know this better than anybody, that David Bailey is a safe pick. You can't go safe at two. And I'm like, I watched him play four times. He was the top two player on the field in every game. Is he that safe of a pick or is the gap with Arvl Reese and Bailey Miles or is it close?
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Dane Brugler
I think it's fair to say it's close. I mean, yeah, you can't ignore what Bailey did This year. Now I would say the Big 12 tackle play maybe wasn't the greatest. Even in the, in the college football playoffs against Oregon. Their, their tackles, Oregon's tackles were not great, But Bailey had two. There were two FBS players over 80 pressures this year, Reuben Bane and David Bailey. And the only difference there, Reuben Bain needed almost 170 more pass rush attempts to get there as opposed to Bailey. And so he's just, he's a sprinter off the edge. And I think you feel better about how he came along in the run game at Stanford they, he was more of a sub package player because really they didn't trust him against the run and a lot of those looks. But at Texas Tech I thought he got better in terms of holding the edge, recognizing Ron and showing up at that part of the game. So I wouldn't say that he's, you know, necessarily the most complete defensive end where I'm going to put that quote unquote safe label on him. But if you want a guy that can just scream off the edge and going to put pressure on the quarterback, Bailey can absolutely do that. But in my opinion, Arvell Reese is the best player in this draft. And I get there's some worries about okay, is he in between positions? Is he. But I think there's a big difference between being a hybrid and being a tweener. And I think Reese is very much a hybrid player compared to being a tweener. And he has that same type of athleticism as a pass rusher. The way Matt Patricia used him, he was stacked on one play and then an a gap blitzer the next, a spy the next. He was so valuable in that role that they didn't want to keep him just boxed in as just you're okay, put your hand on the ground, get after the quarterback. We can use the, we want to mix up the, the picture for the quarterback. Pre snap it looks like this, but post snap we have a guy that can really mix things up. And when you listen to Aaron Glenn, what he talked about this, this offseason, wanting more hybrid players to mix up, you know, different looks that you're giving the quarterback. I, I think it really points to what aral Reese offers.
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Colin Cowherd
I two GMs, one former, one current. I asked about Bain and they're like, listen, he just, he's just too strong not to draft. He's too, he, he's just, I don't care about the measurables. And you know, for years the Baltimore Ravens people sometimes forget Dane that not everybody Loved Ed Reid out of college. He was the number one pick. Like many great players in this league, Amaran Saint Brown, I mean they, they drop or, or you look at Ed Reed and you're like, oh, everybody loved him. And I can remember him coming out and there was debate on certain things. Ray Lewis was smaller. I look at Reuben Bain and I'm like, every game I watched, he was the most physically imposing player. Like, he like intimidated people. But there's the arm length thing. Where do you land on that?
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Dane Brugler
Yeah, I mean, Troy Palomalu was too small. I mean, yeah, there's been a lot of great players in the league that you could poke holes in during the draft process. And Listen, the last 25 years we have not had a first round pass rusher with under 31 inch arms. So this really would be an outlier, an historical outlier. But I'm with you. You watch the tape and you just see a dominant player. I think what gives me a lot of, makes me feel better about it is how good he is against the run. He's so strong. He understands how to use his leverage. And so even if it is a little more challenging for him to get to the quarterback in the NFL, I feel really good about just his floor because he's really good against the run. The motor is non stop, he's powerful and, and so I think there's a lot of things that point to, okay, I, I'm not, maybe I'm not going to take him at 2 if I'm the Jets, but if I'm the Chiefs at nine, I'm crossing my fingers that Bane is still on the, on the board at that point or the Bengals at 10. And so even though he is an outlier, he's not going to be for everybody. And, and for some teams, he's a three technique on their draft board right now in their war room. He's up on that board as a three technique just because of the measurements and how he fits that certain scheme. But I do think that he is too good of a player to fall out of the top 10.
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Colin Cowherd
It's called the Beast. He's at the athletic NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler. We try to bring him on every year. Wide receivers, fascinating. So I love college football. Like you watch all of it. I watch a lot of it. Carnell Tate to me is a number one receiver very quickly in the NFL. Cleveland, I think would be crazy not to go get him. I think if you're going to give Shador a chance, you got to get him some players. But what's fascinating about the draft is there's guys like Makai Lemon at usc and I saw every one of his college snaps. The league Dane is playing a lot of zone, so run down the sideline. Guy doesn't. You know, I'm not as fascinated with that as I am fascinated with yard after the catch. Are you smart? Can you find a crevice? Can you get open? Guy, not to mention, especially in the afc, look at all the teams in the AFC that are good outdoor stadiums, cold and windy. Good luck throwing, you know, 60 yard down the field. Like I like yard after catch underneath guy. How do you view Lemon? Because I hear people say, well, you know, he didn't run that well. You can grab mitt the line. And I'm like, I watched every snap. If the ball's in his stratosphere, his hand strength, he just catches it. He catches everything. What's the tape say?
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Dane Brugler
I mean, I think you're absolutely right. The play strength that he has is just so impressive. Throwing the Iowa tape, Tape throw. I mean, yeah, I think whatever tape you want to throw on. There's an example, maybe, except for the Notre Dame game, that maybe that was the one game where he didn't have one of those impressive plays. But I think there's so many things to like about him. He's manipulative as a route runner and exactly what you're talking about with the zone defenses. He has an ability to find those open spots. Very quarterback friendly. The ball doesn't hit the ground. I think a 2.8% drop rate this past year. And so really reliable when he's targeted. And then one thing that I think is really underrated about his game, all the hidden yards. So when he catches it, that's not where he's going down. He finds those hidden yards that run after the catch, rarely tackled, where he makes the catch. And I've said this before, but maybe like 1% of his rookie contract should go to Almond Ross St. Brown for just kind of paving the way for like this. This is what it looks like. You know, it's.
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Dusty May
It's.
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Dane Brugler
We. Maybe you're worth threading a fine needle here, but it can be done at this size and maybe not a burner, but you know what? Just a dang good football player. And I mean, I think there's going to be a lot of teams. I mean, think about him with the Rams at 13, what that, what that would look like.
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Colin Cowherd
I have him going on my mock. Yep, that's right.
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Dane Brugler
Yeah. Yeah. No, and I think it makes sense, especially with Devonte in the final, entering the final year of his deal, you know, who knows what's going on with Puka and his future. And so I think adding a weapon like that helps not only for 2026, but also in the long term.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. So I think it's understood. Fernando Mendoza, I like it more than everybody else. It looked like he packed on 15 pounds at his pro day. He looked, I just think his humility, his gratitude, his size, I mean, I just love everything about him. I, I think he's a plus. Matt Ryan, bigger, thicker, stronger. Matt Ryan. And Matt was terrific. That's my take. But Ty Simpson, my take is I don't see a trait where I go, wow, I saw this morning you said Daniel Jones. So a week ago I said, I said he reminds me of Daniel Jones. I think he throws. I think he's a little more accurate, but I guess he feels better than Kenny Pickett. Mid, late first round. Late first rounds. Tough. Lamar was amazing. Pickett's disappointing. He's somewhere in between there. I. Where, where do you think he, I mean, you can't predict it, but like, is Daniel Jones is your comp. Is that, Is that it?
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Serving Pancakes Host
Yeah.
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Dane Brugler
And. But it's Daniel Jones with lesser physical traits. You know, he's not quite as big, he's not quite as fast as Daniel Jones. And so you, you have to take a little bit off of that. But I think play style wise, there are definitely some similarities. The big question is, okay, 15 starts at the college level, there's just no substitute for experience. And you look at the track record of first round quarterbacks who had 15 or fewer starts, we're talking about Mitchell Trubisky, Anthony Richardson, Dwayne Haskins, even going to, if you advance it to 17 starts, it's trey Lance, it's Mac Jones. And really Mac Jones might be the closest computer who is a high, high level backup to low level starter in the league. And you know, I think that's kind of where I see Ty Simpson. Personally, I wouldn't draft him until the second round just because that's. That the lack of experience does worry me. And look, the first six games of the year, he was fantastic. You watch him against Georgia, you watch him early in the season, Wisconsin, he looked fantastic. But then later in the year when the running game wasn't working, the offensive line wasn't doing their thing and more was on the quarterback to overcome that. He just had a tough time doing that. And so a big part will Be where he ends up, the situation around him. But yeah, when you do a mock draft, it, it can be difficult because, okay, if he doesn't go to Arizona, if he doesn't go to the jets, if he doesn't go to the Rams, what other team might be looking for him at that point? So putting him in a mock draft can be tough.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I'm going to give you my every draft there's a guy like we like to pick. Okay, who's the guy that's going to go third round, late, fourth round, and I don't know where he's going to go, but there's a receiver for Louisville that, you know who I'm talking about, Big, strong Chris Bell. And so I was reading a draft preview on him and I'd seen him play like once and I went back and looked at YouTube stuff and I'm like, well, that's a starting NFL wide receiver day one. Why isn't he, why isn't he more. I mean, you can watch three routes and you're like, oh, that's a pro NFL starting wide receiver. Why isn't he higher on the boards?
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Dane Brugler
Well, I mean, yeah, ask Miami about Chris Bell and they'll tell you best receiver they faced this year. He would be a first round player if not for the acl. Had the ACL late in the year in November. So a little bit of a discount sticker on his tag, but no, I'm with you. I mean, even going back to the summer, he was my number two receiver coming into the year. Big physical, the accelerations outstanding. You feel good about the person too. Like he's a really competitive kid. He told me at the combine how he, his freshman year of high school didn't make the team, so he joined the band just so he could go to home games and away games. He would just, he put the instrument up to his mouth. He had no idea what he was doing. He just wanted to be there for the football games. And so I think this is an ascending player. But again, coming back from the knee injury, hopefully, you know, clean bill of health returns to that form that he showed. But I think that once you get to the second round, there's going to be more than a few teams looking at Chris Bell and saying, okay, this, this is maybe that guy we're missing because yeah, he can take a slant and take it the rest of the way or you can win down the field, just big, physical, strong. You like the ball skills a lot to like about him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's funny that we just showed some Miami footage. He's running away from Miami Hurricane dbs and you're like, oh, like, like running away from fast corners. He's different.
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Dane Brugler
A.J. brown. Ish. Yeah. And those guys are hard to come by.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Dane Brugler. This is, they call it the Beast. It's at the Athletic. His release this morning, it's, it's fantastic. Dana, it's great having you on again. I appreciate it.
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Dane Brugler
Anytime. Thanks, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
You bet. It's really good. No, you know, the other thing about the draft that do you know seven John. Seven straight years a team drafting in the top five has made the playoffs. So you think, oh, that's the garbage pail of the league. Last year, Jags and New England both drafting top five made the playoffs. So I'm going to go through this. On the other end. There's, there's, it's very interesting about you start looking at the top five. There's a couple of teams in that top five. Is. Are the Raiders one of them that feel like they can make a big leap?
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Colin Cowherd
It is a little chaotic in Milwaukee right now. What to do with the Giannis. We've talked about it before on the show, man, when, when, when the star grumbles privately that that's actually what happened in the early 70s where the Bucks won in 1971. They had Lu Al Cinder and he told them privately here, you know, I, I, I eventually like to move somewhere. This is not the city for me. And, and they went and got a haul. Obviously he then Kareem went on to a remarkable all time championship level career. But usually when the star grumbles, get on the phone immediately and Milwaukee did not do that with Giannis. Here's John Middlekop of the news.
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John Middlekop
Well, last year Jackson Dart was drafted in the first round. He had a good start to his NFL career. He got his first start, you know, on the field in Week 4, putting up over 2,500 yards and 24 touchdowns. Heading into Year 2, he'll have a new offensive coordinator guiding him in our guide, Matt Nagy, who spoke about what he's seen from his new quarterback.
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Matt Nagy
I was able to watch a decent amount of Jackson last year when I was in Kansas City. I remember coming away really impressed with Jackson and, and his accuracy. And then I didn't know back then a year ago I didn't, or two years ago I didn't know how tough he was and how good of a runner he was. He was a really good sneaky, good runner, tough, physical, played the quarterback position well, accurate, and you can see he was a competitor. When I got here to New York and got to meet him and started talking to him, it was, you could tell right away that everything was true. I mean, this kid is different that way.
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Colin Cowherd
And also I think there's something to be said. He's a good looking kid with a ton of confidence. And I think wherever the confidence comes from, your iq, your, your appearance, your athletic ability, New York can gobble you up. And I just think he's one of those kids, you know, Eli Manning was so great in New York because just you grow up with Peyton Manning and Archie Manning. Eli just had a great sense of humor. Nothing bothered Eli. He could close it all off. Jackson to me, has got a little bit of a, hey, I may have been in Oxford, Mississippi, but I can go to the big city and play. And I do think Lane Kiffin coaching him for multiple years made him very NFL ready.
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John Middlekop
And I do think last year he learned a little bit of a lesson. This is the NFL and you will get hit and you will get hit hard. You Know he got some concussions. Think about Nagy, who spent a lot of his career now around Mahomes, who is an improviser, scrambles around, but for the most part he's pretty safe behind the line of scrimmage. And I think you got Malik Neighbors, they sign, likely. Who knows, maybe at 5 they draft Jeremiah Love. I mean this offense could be pretty loaded, you know, with Harbaugh and that mentality that their defense over the next couple years is going to be solid. I think Jackson Darcy in a pretty good spot. Getting Matt Nagy, who can really use Patrick Mahomes in that film and kind of that operation for him to look up to.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I, I, I keep saying, I know a lot of people want to trade down. I could see the Giants because the Giants could use a right tackle and it may be too early to draft the tackle there, but there's multiple tackles in the draft. Yeah, I could see, I could see because they have, first of all, there's plenty of good receivers. Second, third and fourth round, a lot of tackles, first and second, top of the third. I just have this feeling that, I mean if they went and got Carnell Tate because of Neighbor's injuries, I would get that too. But I, I think the Giants are going to have a really interesting draft. I'm really interested to watch it.
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John Middlekop
Yeah, I think they're going to be just a tough, physical team that they've kind of got away from in previous years to the NBA. Who down the street, the Lakers, I think are in free fall mode. Colin Reaves and LeBron, obviously they're injured. Well, LeBron was out, Reeves injured, Luke is injured. What was interesting last night, there was this little moment between JJ Redick and Jared Vanderbilt during a timeout with Redick brushing it off and heading back to the bench. Here's Redick on the moment post game,
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JJ Redick
just a, you know, the confluence of things again, it's, you know, not again, nothing personal with him about normal stuff from my end. You know, I think for all of us, you know, being undermanned and
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Dane Brugler
we've
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JJ Redick
got to scrap and claw, we've got to all be on the same page. We got to have be great teammates. We got to all play hard, call the timeout to get him out of the game and you know, he reacted but again, normal interaction for me.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean it's a long season. I think, listen, the season's over. There's no getting around it. It's over. And the frustration. They were a red hot team in March. I think it's just all bleeding out. I get it.
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John Middlekop
They're lucky. They play the Jazz who literally do not want to win and have been like that for a couple years. But they might not win another game the rest of the year. Right. They play the warriors, then they play the Suns, the Jazz, who knows? But they could easily get swept in the playoffs. I mean this team, which, listen, they had, they were rolling. They, they had two devastating injuries, but they are kind of screwed right now, Colin. They got, they got no hope.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I actually, in a weird way, I know nobody wants to hear this, but they weren't a serious championship team. They just don't have the depth, the defenders, enough good shooters. They can't rebound. A lot of it was fool's gold and beating up on teams that they, you know, LeBron's getting close to the end. Luka is in an MVP battle. You know, I not that March was fool's gold because they are very good in the half court offense, but I think that Oklahoma City loss and the injuries are a wake up call. They got to get younger, they got to get more athletic. And if LeBron's coming back, he has got to take for the one time in his career he's got to play mostly for free, which if he doesn't want to, I totally get it.
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John Middlekop
You know. You know, I know understand the Dodger people have a lot of money that now, you know, run the Lakers, but they were looking at a home court series, right in round one is the three seed and probably being in the second round. Even if they didn't make it to the conference finals, now they're the five seed. In a free fall, they might just get the two home games and be be sent back.
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Colin Cowherd
I think that's what's going to happen.
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John Middlekop
And who knows, this off season with LeBron. Okay, speaking of basketball, I watched a decent amount of this press conference last night. It was pretty cool. North Carolina obviously shocked the basketball world hiring Michael Malone. Colin, they gave him six years, $50 million and they made him. He's currently the second highest paid coach behind Bill Self at over $8 million. Here's Malone and what he had to say on his introductory presser at Chapel Hill.
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Michael Malone
Really thankful for this opportunity. I do not take it lightly. And people keep asking me, coach, why would you leave a chance of coaching in the NBA again? You're an NBA coach. You won a championship in Denver in 2023. It wasn't an easy decision, but what I kept thinking about was I have a chance to be a Part of something special, a history, tradition. To be a part of something much bigger than myself. As I said a few minutes ago, this was the only college job I'd ever considered. You know, if any other job, I wouldn't even answer the phone.
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Colin Cowherd
That's a good. That's. They want to hear that in Carolina. So I think. And also college basketball and college football are more administrative. So for a lot of these older pro coaches, and he's not really old, but I think it works today where years ago it would not work. And so NBA coaching and NFL coaching feels like it's getting younger and college coaching's getting older because you do get a little bit. I mean, the NFL's got a little bit of a burnout feel to it where, you know, at the college level, you're on a college campus, you're dealing with young kids. There's a lot of joy in college basketball. March is really fun. And you don't have an impulsive billionaire on top of you. You know, you may have a donor you have to suck up to, but Carolina. Coaching at Carolina is one of the 10 best basketball jobs in the world. It's a great job.
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John Middlekop
You think there's any chance North Carolina baseball hires Bruce Bochy next year and just completes the cycle? I mean, this is. And I do wonder if you're paying. Here's the thing. You know, part of going to the pros, Right. In basketball or football historically, most of my life is you got a big raise. He's making over $8 million. I bet if we looked around the NBA, you know, there'd be a handful of guys making big money, but there's not a lot of guys making $8.3 million and have a five year 50 million. So these college programs. Signetti's making $13 million. I'm watching Dusty May. He's got to be looking at whatever Malone got. He's like, hey, I know we just did a contract extension, but we better at minimum, make that equal college. The business is huge. So it's very lucrative to take these gigs.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. And they're. And they're great gigs. Not everybody can do it, but the, you know, I mean, Indiana's got a top eight business school and, you know, Mark Cuban writes a check and, you know, but when I hear this, it's not sustainable. It is when you have a billionaire donor who is engaged with sports. It becomes much more sustainable when, when
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John Middlekop
you imagine North Carolina and Duke have pretty successful alumni out there in the real world.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, plus Carolina's got a Massive Dean Dome. It's got a massive facility. So just game day revenue at Carolina. I mean if you go to that region, it's like I always said this about the Atlanta Braves. If you go in the south right now everybody's wearing either a Masters hat or a Braves hat. You know, they like dominate the South. You ever go to the Carolinas? I mean, how many times you been to an airport in that part of the country? There is so much money at unc. It's just. It is, man. It's just. It's got to be one of the more profitable places to me it feels like in college sports.
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John Middlekop
Agreed.
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Colin Cowherd
John, with the news.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought this was interesting. So seven straight years. As of tomorrow, it's officially two weeks to the draft. Seven straight years. A team in the top five in the draft has made the playoffs that next year. So last year New England and the Jags did. So let's put up the top five teams in the draft. Vegas, the New York Jets, Arizona, the Tennessee Titans and the New York Giants. Okay, so I'm going to eliminate two of them. The Jets. I don't think the head coach knows what he's doing in Arizona. You're in a division with McVeigh, stacked roster. Shanahan, good roster. Mike McDonald, good roster. So let's just be realistic. I don't even know who's quarterback in the Cardinals right now. So Jets, Cardinals take them out. Las Vegas. I'm going to reluctantly take them out. Division's good. First year head coach, rookie quarterback. I think they're going to be a much improved team. But in that division with a rookie quarterback, they may not kind of get it gelling till Thanksgiving. So then you look at the Titans and Giants. One of those, if the trend keeps going, is going to be a playoff team. I like the Titans a lot. But the Titans last year, I looked it up this morning. Here are their three wins. A one point win over Arizona, a two point win over Cleveland and they beat Kansas City. Without Mahomes, the Titans point differential was awful. They Robert Sala in that front office need two drafts. They need secondary help, o line help, weapons help. They just don't have enough good players. So I'm going to eliminate them. Plus the Jags are pretty good in that division. So is Houston. I think the Giants are a playoff team and I don't think it's, I don't think it's that, that difficult. And I love Salah, but You, you got to be fair with Robert. They don't have enough players. They need seven starters out of the draft. The New York Giants don't. They need three. The Giants have to find a right tackle, another weapon on the perimeter, get a good corner or safety and the Giants are good. I, I think the Giants between upgrading and also in the Giants division. Here, here's a, a big plus. Philadelphia is noisy and right now that's a lot of questions in Philadelphia, Washington, it feels like the GM and the coaching staff. Dan Quinn's on the hot seat. Jaden Daniels off an injury, struggled to stay healthy so far in the NFL. Dallas, they're just not close defensively. So I look at the Giants and I look at the head coach, the quarterback, the defensive line, the rush, the left tackle. Never forget the New York Giants did something last year that's weird. There were 4 and 13. They led by 10 or more in 5 of their losses. That's an NFL record. Most of the NFL, the Titans were bad, the Giants weren't. They just couldn't seal wins. And I think the Giants are a playoff team leading by 10 points. They blew five games leading entering the fourth. They blew three games and they were awful in one score games. And a lot of that is they have rookie quarterback. You know, Scaboo got hurt, couldn't depend on the run game, couldn't milk the clock and a rookie quarterback. So and, and I was looking this morning at the Giants. I think they'll make it eight straight year at the Giants opponents. So they've got some tough road games. Seahawks, Rams, Lions. Those are tough road games. They got some W's at home. Commanders, Cardinals, Browns, Saints, Titans. The Giants, the Giants have nine wins on this schedule now. I don't think they're going to go to LA and Seattle and win. But you don't. None of us know. I mean right now with CJ Stroud and the Texans, I think the Lions knew OC is good. You look at that schedule, I don't know, I think that, I think the Giants are an eight or nine win team. And I, and I'll say this, if depending on how the draft goes, if they get like a Carnell Tate and Neighbors, they've got the kid from Baltimore scatter, Boo's back. I don't know. Used to be, you know, you think to yourself, top of the draft, that's not the league. Seven straight years. Here's John Harbaugh on meeting with the Giants players this week.
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John Harbaugh
It's just a bunch of people coming together to build something together that is as that is a team. And plays like a team. And plays like a team better than any other team. If you do that, then you have a chance to be the best team because the best team is the team that plays the best. I might have said that in the meeting today, you know, and, and it was fun to be around the guys. It was fun to stand in front of the New York Giants today.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, coming up next, the NBA. Do they know what to do with him? Because he's certainly good enough to make an impact. Dominant college player that's around the corner.
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Colin Cowherd
The. You know, I'm not a gigantic believer in, you know, you draft basketball or football, but especially in basketball, I think you can spot talent really quickly. Now there are guys that age differently. Like some guys mature. A fascinating guy in the NBA draft is Michigan's Jackson Lindeborg. He didn't play basketball until his senior year in high school. So people go, well, he's old. No, people are worried about drafting old guys when they've been playing since they're seven and they're dominating because they've got a beard with grace hair in it. This guy just didn't play until his last year of high school. Didn't really take the sport seriously. So to me, you're just Getting a guy, yes, he's a little older, but he's got so much room to grow. All you have to do is look at his shooting. He's just a way better shooter than the rest of his career. And you know, so I, I'm looking at a 6, 9 2, 40 guy that can shoot, that didn't pick up basketball till price seven years after everybody else he's playing against picked up basketball. And here was Dusty May.
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Dusty May
On him, the processing power is his strength. I don't know if I've ever been around someone that can, can learn things on the fly and be able to change his move or his body contortion based on something that he saw a month ago. And so that processing, his passing ability, him, his ability to see the floor, I think those are all really unique now. And he's a, he's a different athlete where, when you watch him, he doesn't seem like a plus athlete. And then you see him make these athletic plays where go underneath and dunk on three guys. And I just think he's, he's so untapped because he's so new to the game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I like him a lot. And I also think he's a really bright kid. Size shooting, skill scheme fit. He's one of those guys that fits everywhere. I don't know. I don't. I think you can, I guess this is the way I look at it. If I was a GM in the NFL, I do think because there's so much physicality and power in the sport, sometimes guys just, it takes them a long time to get strong enough. I mean, you'll. I've talked to NFL players who go, are like strong and they're like, I wasn't strong enough at tackle until like Thanksgiving of my second year in the NFL. And they were in college for four and five years. So there are slower developed players. And it is sometimes in football you have all this tape, but some guys just, they don't, their bodies just don't get strong enough until they're like 25, 24. Basketball's different. I always tell the story. My daughter, My daughter was a. Played a lot of basketball when she was young. Like 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, you know, high school. And I remember going to a gym, it was a girls tournament. And I'm sitting there and there's a bunch of guys that look like AU coaches. And I sit down and there's like eight courts. It's in Hartford, Connecticut. And it, I'm watching for three minutes and I. And I guy next to me, I'm like, who's that little girl over in the far court? He goes, yeah, that's the best player in the gym. I'm like, what grade she in? He's like, seventh. Girls mature more rapidly than boys do. And so he's like, oh yeah. In basketball you can tell. Sixth, seventh grade. I remember one time getting a call from a friend named Brian. Brian Berger worked for Nike and he was watching Dwight Howard and Dwight Howard was like 13 or 14 years old. He's like, yeah, that's the next great big in the NBA. I'm like, he's 14. So now you can tell. I think basketball's one of those that. What's fascinating about Yaxel is he didn't play the game. I mean most of these kids, you know, they're hoopers when they're 7, 8, 9 years old. He started late, late high school. So that to me is a. And he's this good already with that little of basketball. It's like, wow. So that to me is what I, you know, late bloomer. I just feel like in football because it's power based, you do get late bloomers physically in basketball I kind of feel like, you know, by 15 years old you got the Nikes and the sports apparel companies. They got attracted 14, 15, 16 years old. They know who's going to be great. I think Yaxel's an outlier. He didn't play at all. And that, that happens also in football. Like Antonio Gates did not play college football. I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't happen in football, but I mean Pastel say Occam is a prime example. He didn't play organized basketball till he was 17. And he's tremendous. But he's the rare basketball player that like you couldn't identify at 16. He didn't play. So I feel like is he going to be as good Yaxlow, as good as Pascal Siakam? I don't know that, that, that would be. That's a big ask. But I don't know it's to play that little of basketball and to be that good. And the last couple years he's just a different player from the perimeter. And he said he's just natural. Everything looks easy. I always say that about Justin Herbert, John. Like there are certain guys I want Fernando Mendoza, like the ball just comes out of his hand. He's very easily accurate. Then there's other guys. Sam Darnold's really got to work on it. He's really Worked on his game. He's not effortlessly accurate, whereas I always feel like Mendoza. You watch certain guys, Herbert's one of them. He just comes out in the ball, goes to the place he wants it to go to.
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John Middlekop
I didn't have a chance to ask, but I saw some pictures online. Darnold just got married last weekend. Where were you sitting?
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Colin Cowherd
I didn't know he got married.
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John Middlekop
Yeah, he just got married.
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Colin Cowherd
Good for Sam. What a year for that guy.
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John Middlekop
A heck of a year. Josh Allen standing right behind him. You know Josh Allen over. He's one of the groomsmen looking at Sam Darnold got a ring coming his way and Josh is back there.
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Colin Cowherd
You know Sam. Sam's really well. I saw Sam in Watch Hill, Rhode Island. He was at Christian McCaffrey's wedding.
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Colin Cowherd
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