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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 – Greg Cosell breaks down Philip Rivers, Santa Colin hands out gifts
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Colin Cowherd
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Richard Sherman
Now let's get this party started.
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Jason McIntyre
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, we got a great hour. This will be a great hour. Live in Chicago, it's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. A big story today before we get to Greg Cosell. Big, big, big story today. Breaking in Baltimore. Mike Preston, a respected long term beat reporter that covers the Ravens breaks the story today that Lamar's falling asleep in meetings. That you know, he's playing video games late into the night. When he does show up to mandatory camp, he shows up for a day. There is some belief as he's gotten, let's, let's be honest now, he's going to be 29 next year. That was Cam's last great year. Now I think Lamar is a much better all time quarterback because I think he's more consistent. I think he's more, I just think Lamar is really an all time unique talent. But hyper athletic athletes in any sport age faster than a guy like Philip Rivers who can do it from the pocket. Right? So I've always said Steph Curry will be able to shoot threes until he's 50. You know the guys with 47 inch vertical jumps, they can age very, very quickly. So it's a very concerning story. I've always been a huge fan of Lamar Jackson, but next year his cap hit is 24% of Baltimore's cap. Bo Nicks, his is less than 2%, Caleb Williams less than 4%. So the Ravens are not a low self esteem franchise. I've talked about this for a year. Cleveland, I mean they'll, they'll, they'll guarantee Deshaun Watson's contract because they have such low sports self esteem. Baltimore, arguably best owner in the game. Great owner, great coach, great equity, great fans, unbelievable brand. I could absolutely see them taking a phone call from the Raiders of the Dolphins. Absolutely. Well why would the Raiders and Dolphins do that? Have you watched the Raiders play the last five years? Have you watched the Dolphins regressing quarterback this year? Now I'VE always had a rule. There's about six quarterbacks in the league. And I know I say this too often. I would not even pick up the phone, no matter the offer. I think Drake May's become one of those guys, obviously, like Mahomes, Josh Allen. Then there's another six to eight guys that I'm not going to get on the phone and call people, but I would take a call if you offered me three firsts. Lamar, to me, was always in the first group. Now he's transitioned. If this is true, and I trust Mike Preston, he's in the second one. I'll take phone calls. Then there's about 15 GMs, 15 teams. You should get on the phone and make calls to upgrade at quarterback. That's most of the league. But Lamar was always one of those Herbert, you know, you know, Mahomes, like untouchable, falling asleep at meetings, you know, wants a new deal, clearly has not. I mean, this is just eyes. We can all see it. He's getting banged up. It's the first time I've watched him and thought, where's the juice? I don't see it. And he's like multiple injuries to multiple body parts. It's just fascinating with that. Greg Cosell, 46 years, NFL Films okay, let's talk about somebody that's not hyper athletic. Philip Rivers. And I think. I think all of us who are. I'm over 44. We can stop there. All of us who are a little older watch Philip Rivers. And it's hard not to root for him. You know, Kyle Shanahan said, here's all I know when we played him, he always throws to the right guy. That's a little underrated sometimes. What do you see with Philip on film?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, just before we start, I just want you to know, Colin, that I can still shoot the three. Just want to let you know that. And I'm older than 50, so. Okay. But anyway, Philip River. It just blows me away. The guy hasn't played in five years. He looks exactly the same. You know, if you want to reduce quarterbacking to its simplest terms, and obviously much goes into being able to do this correctly, but he throws it to the right receiver at the right time with the right kind of throw, and he just sees the field. And sometimes, and I know you've talked about this, I'm sure, many times in all sports, he's just one of those guys that innately sees the field the right way. And, you know, it's funny, that last interception that he made, you know, the one that was returned for a touchdown that put the game away. It was one of those things where he actually was too quick with his reading of the coverage. He knew exactly what the coverage was, but he threw it too quickly. So Winters, who was actually the flat defender in cover three, he threw it so quickly that he didn't give Winters a chance to get to his flat responsibility. But. But he throw. He. He is just. It's remarkable to me. I watch him, and I'm totally in awe of just how he sees it, how he gets rid of the football. I mean, doesn't he look exactly the same as he did, you know, when he was playing with the Chargers?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he was. He was unathletic in his prime. So, I mean. I mean, I knew his gm, Tom Telesco, and Tom's like, his last year with the Chargers, he's like, yeah, he's probably the least athletic quarterback in the league. He goes, we've never really worried a lot about that. Like, that's just not. That's not what we lean into, Jared Gun running around either. And he's 32 TDs, five picks.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, I mean, it's. You know. You know what it's like. It's like if you. If you're comparing it to another sport, it's kind of like, you know, the joker in Denver. I mean, that guy. I've had people tell me he may be the most unathletic player in the NBA, and all he does is win MVPs every year. I mean, it just. Some guys just see it, feel it, know how to play, and it's very innate. It's in their DNA.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, I want to talk Bears, Niners play. I was sort of taken back by the fact that Christian McCaffrey had 27 touches. The Niners this year are 04 the week after. He has at least 27 touches. He had eight touches in the. He had eight touches in the fourth quarter. I look at him and I'm like, okay, they are way too dependent on him. But when you watch film, does that come across.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, what comes across is how physical and hard a runner he is. And it's an interesting point you made, because he's just one of those guys. He's just. Look, he hasn't broken a lot of long runs this year. And because of that, some people think he's lost a step. But he runs so hard. And they use him in the pass game. I mean, obviously in the pass game, they use him really well. He's a matchup. Nightmare. They are very much a personnel and formation based offense. So he lines up in multiple spots. Look, you see him here beating guys, beating linebackers. That first touchdown he called when he beat Pratt, I mean, I think that's the one we just saw. You know, they use him in multiple ways and they are so good with the use of motion. I'm sure when you watch them you see this motion and I wish I knew what they called it where use check kind of lines up as a tilted wing and then motions into the backfield. And they do about 10 different things off of that. I mean they are very much a choreographed offense. You know, I was watching that game and I gotta tell you. And it was almost a masterclass in two different ways of playing quarterback. You had Rivers, who's a pre snap master of the position. He controls the game before the ball is snapped. Then you have Purdy who is a post snap operator. He doesn't have anything to do with setting protections, changing protections. He's a post snap operator. So it's two different styles of quarterbacking and they both play at a very high level.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, Caleb Williams did it again.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean I, I feel like I've asked you this question a lot, but you know, you can give me the same result, but you can incrementally improve. Do you kind of feel like the last eight weeks he's the same guy or are these still these little tiny metric jumps, little, little micro jobs or do you feel kind of it's been established what he is?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you can always improve the mental part of the game and we're not in the building as they're coaching him and they're working on that part of it. So that's hard to know how Ben Johnson, who's obviously very good at designing a pass offense with his use of formations, motions, shifts, route concepts. So you can always improve and build upon that. That's the mental part. But when you just talk about the physical part of the game, I mean you're dealing with a guy that has really high level physical traits. I mean he's his ball, he just spins it. It's different than most guys. We'll get to Justin Herbert, he's another guy like that. But Caleb Williams is like that. He just spins it a little bit differently. He can make unbelievable throws on the move. The ball comes out great. I mean that winning touchdown throw was just ridiculous. I mean, and we're looking at it now. I mean, you couldn't have handed it to him any better. And that ball was, I don't know what, 60 yards in the air and obviously bad weather. So, you know, yeah, there's always improvements to make. But he's clearly getting better. It's incremental each week. When you see a great throw or a great play, I don't think you're surprised because he's got the physical traits to do it. And I'm sure if Ben Johnson was listening to our conversation, he could reel off five things right away in which he needs to improve. But that's typical. He's only a second year player and a first year player in the system. But it's obvious what the physical traits are.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, you were defending him early when he was struggling a bit. You kept saying, and I don't hear you say this much. You're like, all I know is what I see. And what I see is like crazy. It's nuts. I mean, stuff I haven't seen before.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And there's no question we get caught up a lot in. When you see a guy make a play that is a special play physically. I mean, we saw Cam Ward make one of those plays this week, running to his left and throwing the ball 40 yards on a line at the sideline. You know, I mean there are quarterbacks that are capable of doing that. Then there are quarterbacks, as you mentioned, like a Rivers or a gov. They're not going to make those plays, but they do other things at a really high level.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence, you and I, I, I loved him. I got all. Because I love college football. So I got all hooked up on him and you're like, and I remember this very early, you're said, you said, Josh Allen's way better. It's not close. And I was like, okay, okay, okay, sure, whatever. Well, it's obviously, but it's obviously been established. But I will say that some quarterbacks find the right mentor earlier.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Jason McIntyre
And it does feel like Liam Cohen has unlocked something.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
What is the film say he is unlocked with Trevor Lawrence.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way. I'm used to, yeah, whatever. I got a wife and two daughters. I got, I get a lot of, yeah, whatever. But the point is, is that I think what you see, number one, you're seeing Lawrence play really decisively. So how does that come about? How does a quarterback go from sort of being stuck too often in the pocket and not seeing it clearly and not being decisive to being decisive. And you've talked about this a lot. I talk about it all the time because I'm such a big believer in Coaching. So how does that happen? What does it mean when we say a guy is a good offensive coach? So it starts with how he's taught. Then it gets down to what you see when you watch tape. It comes down to personnel formations, motions, shift, receiver splits, how you set up routes so that the quarterback can be decisive. Just being decisive doesn't come about because you say, hey, just drop back and throw it. You have to feel good throwing the ball. You have to feel like, hey, I know exactly where I'm going to throw it based on this play call versus whatever the anticipated coverage would be or if it's pure progression, what my reads take me through. And all of a sudden Trevor Lawrence looks really decisive. So throwing the football. So it's a combination of he's got obviously pretty good trades and the fact that Liam Cohen really does a good job because don't forget he came from the Rams. So it's a lot of the Sean McVeigh stuff. Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
So a lot of teams in the NFL, there's a. There's a part of the team like the Texans defense that jumps off the film. Seattle has a lot of speed everywhere. Is it the Seahawks offense or the Seahawk defense? When you watch the film that you, you are going, wow, that feels. That's better than what I see on most pieces of film.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because in the summer I said to people that I thought the Seahawks would have a really good defense. So I'm not surprised. Now, again, I didn't know how Nick Immowari would fit into this. And right now he's sort of the poster child for the. The concept of big nickel, which a lot of teams play, where they play three safeties instead of a third line and that becomes essentially both their base and their nickel defense. And Emin Warri has been such a critical piece of what they do, but their defense has played exceptionally well. They're not a high percentage blitz defense, but when they do, the principles and the concepts are really good. They've got a lot of players. You know, one thing I always notice, you notice this with quarterbacks in particular, but I notice it with other positions. When you see a backup go in the game, Colin, and have to play meaningful snaps over, let's say four, five, six game period. And there appears to be no drop off at all in the play of that position and the play of the entire defense. That tells me anyway that the coaching staff does a great job. And we saw that in Seattle when Julian Love got hurt and they had to play ty Okada, number 39 and he played really good football. So that tells me that it's being coached really, really well. And that's what you see when you watch this defense. And of course they do have really good players. Byron Murphy's come on in his second year. Leonard Williams is a multi positional D lineman. Ernest Jones is a really good linebacker. So you know, they're a really good. I would say that their defense stands out to me more than their offense. I'm not surprised by their passing game. I think they want their run game to be more than it is.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, Eagles Bills is a headline game. I want to really concentrate on the Eagles over the last two games. Saquon Barkley, last week it looked like last year. Have they tweaked anything or is it bad competition?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think last week in particular their O line played very well. It was the first game where I thought their O line really moved people the way they did a year ago. And because of that I thought Barkley was the most decisive that he's been all season. Consistently, you know, not just with one run here and there, but consistently. I thought he felt far more comfortable with what he saw. I thought his patience, his vision and then the short area burst was there. I mean people may be surprised that over the last three games Barkley has the most carries in the NFL and the most 10 plus yard runs. That would probably surprise a lot of people. And I think what they're doing on offense and I think they'll continue doing this and I think it makes sense against Buffalo for sure is a lot more no huddle and a lot more empty sets, which really clears up the picture. And the reason I think it's a good thing to do against Buffalo is because Sean McDermott one in one of the best in the league in terms of late coverage rotation, changing the picture pre snap to post snap and when you go no huddle and empty, it's harder to do that defensively. Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Anything you see with Buffalo in this matchup with Philadelphia, anything their offense is doing that's different, I mean they're going.
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Colin Cowherd
To run the ball obviously. Look, we don't have to guess this, Colin. They told you by the fact that they had Keon Coleman and Gabe Davis as healthy scratches last week, we don't have to guess this. They're telling you they're really not comfortable with their wide receiver position. They're clearly a tight end based passing game. I think if they can avoid as good as Josh Allen is And we know he's great. That's not my point at all. But as great as he is, I think they feel that the best way for them to play on offense is to be able to run the ball with sustainability and consistency, that they just don't have enough on the perimeter to really have him drop back 40 times a game. And unless the game demands it, which, of course, we've seen games that demand it. And he's been great because he's Josh Allen, but I don't think that's the way they want to play by choice.
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Jason McIntyre
So. Texans, Chargers. I'm an understood USC homer, but I remember talking to people in the league and saying, I'm telling you, Woody Marks is special. And when he doesn't. When he doesn't play, the Texans offense dries up really fast. But I want to talk about their defense. Yeah, they play the Chargers this week. And the Chargers O line.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
I look at that and I think, okay, we got to get a cape for Herbert because that is a bad matchup. Let's talk a little bit about what you see with the Texans when they face the Chargers. The matchups.
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Colin Cowherd
Look, and you and I both know that, that Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman and that staff know that that's a mismatch. They know that. Now, that doesn't mean play. They can control it because there are some plays where, you know what will Anderson's going to beat somebody or Daniel Hunter is going to beat somebody, or even inside where they have very good deep tackles. But the Chargers staff knows that they're overmatched. So I'm very curious to see how they go about dealing with that, because it's obvious everybody knows they're overmatched. But Herbert has been playing at a really high level. I mean, they've got four really good receivers. Okay. I mean, Trey Harris, the rookie from Ole Miss, has really come on. He plays meaningful snaps. They will play big people. They will get physical, you know, so they're a team that can. Can attack you in multiple ways on offense. Now, whether the. Their O line is an issue in the game and prevents them from running what they want to run, that remains to be seen. But they are a pretty diverse offense with a lot of good players other than their O line and, you know, so it's hard to know, quite frankly, how that's going to play out in this game.
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Jason McIntyre
Does Justin Herbert have a weakness?
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Colin Cowherd
I. I don't really think he does. I mean, look, I think if you talk to people in the league, they would Tell you that he's one of those guys, you know, I mean the guys I've been around him. You've probably seen him in person too. I mean he's a legit 6, 5, 6 6. He's a legit 235, 240. I mean the play we're going to show by the way, you know, you hear all the time people say, well only a few quarterbacks can make that throw. Normally when people say that it's a bunch of garbage. But you know, there are certain throws that are just wow throws and he made one last week and we should just go to it because this is a wow throw. I mean when I saw watching the tape because I probably saw it live too. But you know when you're watching it on Sunday, you're watching 100 plays and they just kind of roll over you. But when I'm watching the tape and I saw this, I was like, whoa. So this, this was, you know, obviously last week and it was a 50 yard completion. So you're going to see Herberts and it's going to be trips to the wide side of the field. And the two receivers that we want to take note of are Johnston on the outside and McConkey in the slot. Now the safety and the linebacker on the defensive side of the ball are important here because what's going to happen here, and we're seeing this more and more in the league, is what we call late coverage rotation. Changing the picture. The safety will drop deep as a half field player and the linebacker will drop as a middle hole defender. They're going to play cover two. So now what you're going to see that corner because it's cover two. He's not going to drop to that second box. He doesn't drop deep because he's a flat defender in cover two. So now let's go to the route concept. It's going to be two verticals by Johnston and McConkey which is a very good concept against cover two. Now they may not have known they were going to get cover two, but this is a good concept. So let's watch it map out as we play it out. So what's going to happen is the safety kind of becomes the conflict player here because you're getting two verticals and he's a deep half player. And remember the corner on the outside is not going to drop deep because it's cover two. He's an underneath player so he's not going to carry Johnston. So now what you're going to get is they actually do a great job on defense. The safety and the linebacker passing off McConkey and the safety does a good job. But Herbert is going to climb the pocket here. So now he's going to make this whole shot throw late.
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Jason McIntyre
Look at that thing.
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Colin Cowherd
This is a ridiculous throw. The safety can't get there. It's such a good throw. And when you see it from another angle, you're just going to see, like I said, you know, I'm not going to sit here and say, gee, no one else can make this throw. But the key thing here to me is he sees this as a viable throw. I talk about this all the time. One of the things that there's no metric for or there's no stat for is throws that should be made that aren't made and throws that are that quarterback see as viable throws because not every quarterback would see that as a viable throw because they know they're not comfortable making it. Obviously Herbert can make any throw.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he is special. Texans, Chargers, Eagles, Bills, Niners, Bears. There's some great matchups. Greg is always good ones. Happy holidays.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks, Khan. Same to you. Merry Christmas.
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Jason McIntyre
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and.
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Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
You're interrupting our promo.
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Nick Wright
Yeah, he wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally out of context.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, yeah? Well, after this promo, I'm gonna take you out and beat you.
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Jason McIntyre
Let me put this into context. Shut up.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Anyway, just listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
Open your eyes, ref. You're really not gonna call that.
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Nick Wright
This is the Herd line news. All right, you want to talk Pro bowl, we got more Pro bowl stuff for you. Sam Darnold is a pro Bowler. Colin, your guy slinging Sammy D. He has had a pretty damn good season. Seattle's the number one seed. But it's weird. Everybody's saying, well you know, he's, it kind of fails late in, late in the season, in the playoffs. And his head coach, Mr. McDonald, he disagrees.
- [30:01]
Jason McIntyre
Well, when I think of big moments with Sam, I'm thinking the guy that took us down the field in San Francisco when we needed one. I'm thinking the guy that scored, that helped us win the game against Arizona at the very end. I'm thinking of the guy that put us in field goal range when we were on the minus one against the Rams to go kick a field goal to win it. I'm thinking of the guy that in 40 seconds took us down the field to kick a game winning field goal against the Colts. So I mean show me the times where in big moments this guy hasn't, you know, responded as a Seahawk.
- [30:30]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [30:31]
Jason McIntyre
You know, it's funny, I hear this, I just heard this the other day from a guy on the train. Well, he said, he said this guy, I think he was talking about Caleb. He hasn't won a big game for everybody out there. You do realize there's 17 games and they're almost all big because once you lose more than five of them, your chances of making the playoffs are small. I know you think big game is Super Bowl. Caleb Williams has played the two Packer games are the two biggest football games in his life. Like so let's stop this. Well, Sam, darn. Every Rams game is big. They're all, every Niners game is a Seahawk quarterback is huge. Those are big games.
- [31:19]
Nick Wright
I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to slander Sam Darnold. I'm not going to challenge you on the four interception game he had against the Rams in la. It's, it's the holiday season. Colin. Let's move to the next story and let's go. More Pro bowl action. I mean, that's what people are talking about right now. How about this Eagles DC Vic Fangio. By the way, I have a interesting bet on Eagles Bills.
- [31:40]
Jason McIntyre
We'll talk later.
- [31:41]
Nick Wright
Eagles defensive coordinator Vic Fangio says Pro bowl voting needs an overhaul.
- [31:48]
Colin Cowherd
I think they need to form a committee for the Pro Bowl. Get a couple retired coaches, couple retired personnel guys, couple retired players that are, will take pride in it and they name it. Not all everybody and their mothers got revoked.
- [32:05]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, that's interesting. Well, his corners both made.
- [32:08]
Nick Wright
It was a freaking awesome.
- [32:11]
Jason McIntyre
Mitchell and DeJean are pretty good. If you're Howie Roseman. You drafted a couple of corners one year. Both quickly become Pro Bowlers. That's pretty good, gm.
- [32:20]
Nick Wright
Yeah, not a bad job. It's interesting. I don't, I don't know. I mean, does he have a point? Do they need a committee? They did approach me about voting on the Pro bowl and I was like, I'm not doing it. Like, it's the Pro Bowl.
- [32:31]
Jason McIntyre
I think it's Pro bowl hall of Fames. I would redo that stuff. Pro Bowls, I don't care much. I mean, I think I looked at the list this morning. I looked at it yesterday and this morning. I think they mostly get it right.
- [32:44]
Nick Wright
I mean, listen, you know, Martin on the staff, he's really, he's like, did Jared Goff get snubbed for Darnold? And he put the numbers side by side and I'm like, goff had a.
- [32:54]
Jason McIntyre
Marginally better year and also Darnold's team can be a number one seed. So there is something. Well, with quarterbacks, you're going to be judged largely on is the team over or underachieving. Lions feel like, shouldn't they be better? They got all these elite offensive guys. So some of it's that golf's fault though.
- [33:10]
Nick Wright
The offensive line, I mean, they, they lost their center before the season. You know, they never, never figured that out in the secondary hurt. So I don't know. I mean, I can't, I just can't get that worked up about a snub, you know. Final story. Con, let's go back to the Bears. We got. I gotta talk. No, no, no. Notice no jets in this in the Herd line this week, but the Bears are hot. They're rolling. Caleb Williams was asked about all these crazy comebacks. I'll throw the word lucky in there for you because you love that word. Anyways, here's what Caleb said about this incredible season.
- [33:40]
Colin Cowherd
You know, I do take a little.
- [33:41]
Jason McIntyre
Satisfaction and things like that and you know, being able to help this team, help this organization be a part of.
- [33:47]
Colin Cowherd
It, you know, to get to the playoffs and you know, my goal isn't.
- [33:52]
Jason McIntyre
To just get to the playoffs.
- [33:54]
Colin Cowherd
My goal is to win and win and win big. And so, you know, I'm going to.
- [33:58]
Jason McIntyre
Keep my head down. I'm going to keep growing for the guys in this building, for the coaches and things like that, for this organization.
- [34:04]
Colin Cowherd
And for the city to be able.
- [34:06]
Jason McIntyre
To be proud and happy to be fans and supporters of Chicago Bears. Yeah, you know, it's funny about luck. I do believe luck exists. I just think everybody gets the same amount over the course of their life of luck and dis unluck and unlucky and it's just some people aren't good at taking advantage of the luck they get. I mean, I've only known one person in my life. I used to laugh at this. His name was Randy. Still a friend in Vegas. Every time we go to a golf tournament and you fill out those, you know, you buy $20 worth of like tickets or something, he won a golf bag every time or golf shoe. I used to always say, I mean literally, I don't ever bought anything. He won everything he had. He was a great golfer. But I, I do think by and large all sorts of quarterbacks have had these opportunities and they just haven't made the plays. Everybody gets equal amounts of luck. Justin Herbert got a couple of coaches that weren't good. Then he got a great coach. Matt Stafford had a couple of coaches that weren't elite. Then he got McVeigh. Over the course of time you will get Sam Darnold eventually. Got really good coaches. He just didn't get them in New York. So eventually everybody gets some break.
- [35:15]
Nick Wright
100%. Listen, if I win the Powerball drawing tonight, I think it's like $1.6 billion. That's luck.
- [35:20]
Jason McIntyre
Okay. Okay. It is.
- [35:21]
Nick Wright
That is straight up luck.
- [35:23]
Jason McIntyre
Okay, then revisit you in 10 years and if you lost 70% of it, you didn't take advantage of the law.
- [35:30]
Nick Wright
I ain't losing 70% of that. Yeah, I'm definitely not. But like we talk careers, Colin. You know, I started as an ink stained wretch. I was, I hated the newspaper industry. Got lucky that I Started a website, started writing about the media, including the guy I'm talking to here on the show. And then I get lucky and like there's different kinds of luck. And I would say getting an onside kick Saturday night.
- [35:54]
Jason McIntyre
Oh yeah, yeah.
- [35:55]
Nick Wright
The rate of onside kicks that have worked this season, that was what Romeo Dobbs on the hands team.
- [35:59]
Jason McIntyre
But it should be noted when Dobbs touched it and didn't secure it, there were six Bears all over it.
- [36:06]
Colin Cowherd
Fair.
- [36:06]
Jason McIntyre
I mean they were literally. There was an army of Bears all over it. So you say what you want. The special teams coach for the Bears, they knew where that ball was going. The kicker delivered it, Romeo Dobbs had it hit his hand and there were like six Bear jerseys and one Packer jersey. That's so I even that you can say it's luck. How many onside kicks are fielded cleanly? Not that many. There's a lot of bobbling. He bobbled. Boom. Bears everywhere.
- [36:32]
Nick Wright
I'll just remind people, last year when the Chiefs were rolling in the one score games, there was a one man, one lone voice in the wilderness saying how lucky they were and they would have to pay the piper.
- [36:44]
Jason McIntyre
And that's like an old.
- [36:44]
Nick Wright
And they did this year and this year it's happened. So I'm not saying the Bears are going to regress next year with this one score stuff, but keep an eye on another very fortunate team in the AFC with a quarterback you like a lot that they've been. They've been running hot in one score games and you know that stuff evens out.
- [37:01]
Jason McIntyre
Colin Jay Mackle the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie news is a coach with a playoff team sort of on the hot seat and some stocking stuffers were passing out around the NFL. Next in the Herd, be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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All.
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- [41:56]
Nick Wright
Monday night on FS1, it's a college hoops triple header starting with number nine Michigan State hosting Cornell. Then it's Big Ten women's hoops as six ranked Michigan takes on Oregon.
- [42:10]
Jason McIntyre
Oregon.
- [42:11]
Nick Wright
Then out west it's Utah versus versus Washington. It all tips off at 7pm Eastern only on FS1.
- [42:19]
Jason McIntyre
Well, it is the giving season and it's always better to be a a giver, not a taker. And so I thought I'd hand out a few. A few, I don't know, gridiron gifts, some NFL stocking stuffers. J. Mac, are you ready?
- [42:35]
Nick Wright
You give me my friend. Born ready.
- [42:38]
Jason McIntyre
All right, go ahead.
- [42:39]
Nick Wright
All right, Colin, first up, what's your gift for Bill's quarterback Josh Allen?
- [42:46]
Jason McIntyre
Well, he has scored 37 of the 52 touchdowns. How about a theragun pro massage gun to soothe those sore muscles that have helped carry your franchise to each and every win? 71% of offensive touchdowns. Buffalo has scored 71% by Josh Allen.
- [43:06]
Nick Wright
All right, what's your gift for Patriots quarterback Drake may?
- [43:09]
Jason McIntyre
11 games with 100 plus passer rating tied for the most in the league. How about a lousy T shirt? Drake can't go home and empty handed this year, so I got him a I played an MVP worthy season but all I got was this lousy t shirt. Second best odds after Stafford at 23 years old to win an MVP.
- [43:32]
Nick Wright
All right, what's your gift for jets coach Aaron Glenn?
- [43:38]
Jason McIntyre
An OSHA bulldozer certification. J. Mac, to your beloved Jets. This franchise is as stable as a Jenga tower. Time to tear it down and rebuild already. Oh, what the heck is that?
- [43:54]
Nick Wright
All right, what's your gift for Philip.
- [43:56]
Jason McIntyre
Rivers of the cold? How about his own NFL franchise? I mean Rivers and his 10 kids. That's a starting 11. I've already got him eighth in my herd hierarchy. The best family in the NFL. The Philip Rivers family deserve their own franchise.
- [44:12]
Nick Wright
Okay, what are you giving Travis Kelsey of the Chiefs?
- [44:16]
Jason McIntyre
I, I, you know, I thought a lot about this.
- [44:18]
Nick Wright
Sure you did.
- [44:19]
Jason McIntyre
I'm gonna give Travis Kelsey a joint custody agreement for the future Mr. Taylor Swift. And the reason being is that way Mahomes can still have you on weekends.
- [44:29]
Nick Wright
Oh, wow, I like that. What's your gift for Jackson Dart?
- [44:35]
Jason McIntyre
I'm gonna give Jackson Dart who I like a Fisher Price playground. I know he's 22, but you're not too old for this. Spend some time learning how to slide. Learn how to slide? Listen, five trips to the medical tent. Learn how to slide, bro, I, I.
- [44:53]
Nick Wright
Like the hat backwards in that as well. What's your gift for Caleb Williams?
- [44:58]
Jason McIntyre
Oh, this is easy. Las Vegas residency. I mean, he may be the new king of Chicago, but he puts on a Bruno Mars level show every week. Caleb Williams, baby. He is getting his own residency in Vegas now.
- [45:14]
Nick Wright
All right, what are you giving your man crush, Jared? It Goff.
- [45:20]
Jason McIntyre
How about a digital photo album so he can relive all the great memories he had with Ben Johnson? It's been a rough season.
- [45:31]
Nick Wright
Wow, that's harsh. And finally, be careful here. What are you giving my guy, Brock Purdy?
- [45:38]
Jason McIntyre
Well, I thought about this J. Mac, and you have been one of his most most ardent supporters. I'm giving him a gift certificate to 2 to Mastros. So J. Mac and Brock Purdy get table white tablecloths, talk endlessly about their favorite person, me, two for dinner, bacon, champagne, our stocking stuffers. So the story of the day which emerged, it emerged today, about halfway through the first hour is according to Mike Preston, who's a very good, very serious, very respected recorder reporter for the Baltimore Ravens. Now remember, this is something you know and I know. Stuff gets out when somebody wants it out. Why did this story suddenly get out? Lamar Jackson had a pretty disappointing last five or six weeks, right? This year not been good, banged up, comes back. Not that he has fallen asleep in meetings, playing video games. At night, they move their practices to mid afternoon because Lamar doesn't like early morning practice. That when they do criticize him, he shrinks, he withdraws. He doesn't like criticism. And J. Mac brought this up. And I think both of us have always thought he's really good. I've always thought he's better in the pocket that he was given credit for. He said rookie year, he is more runner than thrower, but he's gotten pretty good at that. Is his cap hit next year is massive 24. That is ungodly. His cap hit next year is 24% of the Ravens cap. Bo Nix, Denver 1.7%. Caleb Williams 3.6% that is unbelievable. Your hands are tied as a GM. Your hands are tight as a coach. If you have injuries, you're down to third stringers. So there are some quotes here in the article that will put up. I am a fan of Lamar Jackson. One of the quotes, a major problem, a lot of it on the Ravens is that there are team rules and then there are rules for Jackson. Well, I'll defend him a little there. Once the Ravens become critical of him, he becomes more withdrawn. It's clear that coach Harbaugh has become tired of Jackson. Nick Wright, for the record, has been on this for a lot of the year and Mike Preston is a very respected guy. So you know the injuries are piling up. Next. He's always been hyper athletic. Now Mahomes and Josh Allen are athletic too, but they're also unbelievable all time guys in the pocket. Lamar is good in the pocket, but he really, his secret sauce has always been he's the most elusive quarterback, the fastest quarterback I've ever seen. It's hard to even put two or three guys in the history of football in his class. And that's his secret sauce. And it's not that big of a secret. He's just hard to prepare for. Always dominated NFC teams which don't see him very often. If you see him for a first time, it's just hard to comprehend how elusive he is. So. But now the injuries are piling up. He's a massive cap hit. He's withdrawing when there's criticism. His window and you know, the NFL, you know, in basketball and baseball and mostly in hockey, you're not being tackled. So you know, for offensive players, a lot of these offensive skill players, your windows are quick. Cam Newton's Last great year, 29. Cam was a better athlete than he was a sit in the pocket, pre snap audible guy. He was just an absolutely mammoth great athlete. He aged very fast. Big Ben to me, aged fast. Aaron Rodgers, 42, still slick. Because Aaron's great in the pocket. Stafford, Brady Breeze. So he is. I, I do think he has now become the kind of quarterback that is still Pro bowl level in his best years. But is he somebody that the Ravens would take a call on now? Let me throw another quarterback out, Joe Burrow. Okay, I would never take a call on Joe Burrow, but after his third injury I'd take a call. I would not take a call on Drake May, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, I wouldn't take a call on Bonix and Caleb right now because they're such small percentages of the cap and they're very good young quarterbacks. I'm not taking a call, but there's always about six or seven guys. Lamar was one of them. You just don't even pick up the phone. I think he's moved into the group of the next six or seven.
- [50:20]
Nick Wright
So, Colin, I was just digging into, like we've talked about this all week, the cap situation, right. So once you pay Lamar, you have to get ready and say, hey, we got to move off these guys. With the Chiefs and Mahomes, they lose their offensive line. You see the result this year. I was just looking. So Baltimore essentially coming into the season Bet on a 2022 fourth rounder and a 2023 seventh rounder on their offensive line because they could not afford Morgan Moses, John Simpson, Zeitler.
- [50:47]
Jason McIntyre
That's right. Good call.
- [50:48]
Nick Wright
Those, those young guys in the draft did not pan out right. You only get a couple swings in the draft. So when the offensive line doesn't work and Lamar's injured, all of a sudden you've got like nothing. And that we saw it with the Chiefs. I'm just really curious what's going to happen with that offensive line on, on the Bengals. It already isn't great. Burrow got hurt again.
- [51:07]
Jason McIntyre
I mean, if you're the Miami Dolphins or the Raiders, do you not make a call?
- [51:11]
Nick Wright
Oh, of course you do. I would not be surprised if already calls were not made. Now we don't know what about the Dolphins with their GM situation. They ran him off. But if I'm McDaniel, I'm like, Guys, Lamar Jack, you could be Lamar Jackson. You got to keep me. I think, I think that helps McDaniel's cause. Raiders are interesting because if you get the chance to coach Lamar, I mean, I don't think they keep Pete Carroll.
- [51:34]
Jason McIntyre
Sorry.
- [51:35]
Nick Wright
I know you guys are friendly. I don't see that happening. But yeah, I would probably trade that that number one or number two pick of Mendoza and roll with Lamar if I was the Raiders. They need to sell tickets. They want to be on television. You know, they're not getting any primetime games.
- [51:49]
Jason McIntyre
No. And here's the thing, folks. I've never understood this criticism of people. New information equals new opinion, period. We didn't know this. We didn't know what was going on. Teams try to hide this stuff. So why does it get out? Because the Ravens want it out. That's why stuff gets out. We've all had secrets in our life that don't get out. You know, companies don't want them out, right? When stuff leaks, it's because they want it out. And I mean, we find out a lot of stuff during the Belichick Brady era that didn't get out until there was a divorce between Brady and Belichick. And then. And Seth Wickersham writes a book, you know, Connor writes a book, Jeff Benedict. Then all the books come out, you know, as the relationship gets worn down in the last couple years together. And then eventually, you know, Brady goes to Tampa. So I think when. When stuff gets out, there's. There's people that, you know, because some of this is Harbaugh's getting ripped. Harbaugh's getting criticized. The front office is getting criticized. And they're like, front office in Baltimore. Wait a minute.
- [52:55]
Nick Wright
It's not on us.
- [52:56]
Jason McIntyre
It's not all us. Guys, time out. It is not all us. So Mike Preston's a very good reporter, and during the breaks, we've been kind of going back and forth on this story, and I, I think, yeah, I. I think you get new information and. And if you. You're literally rigid, stubborn, and dumb. If you're getting information and not using it, it's like George Pickens in week seven. Oh, my God, this is amazing. George pickens in week 13. Always pouting new information adjusted to it. So this is a massive story from one of the top three or four or five quarterbacks in this league the last several years. Hour three on a Wednesday. Coming up.
- [53:45]
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- [54:17]
Colin Cowherd
All.
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