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THE HERD - Hour 2 - Looking at the Eagles offense and what needs to be done, the Packers without Micah Parsons, Greg Cosell
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Greg Cosell
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Richard Sherman
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. Hour two and a Thursday Rams, Seahawks in the Pacific Northwest. Sam Darnold, last two seasons, 25 up and six down. I gave you that little gem earlier this week. If you go take the jets tenure out and you go to Carolina, where He sat for 11 weeks, first time he'd ever sat. And he starts in like week 11 for Carolina from that day until tonight is a higher win percentage than Mahomes and Brady. Yeah, I said it. Sammy D. Sam Darnold, the overall culture with Mike McDonald's, John Snyder, it's just they're a fun watch. They're aggressive both sides of the ball. They can be physical, they're fast. Here's the coach on his club. My message to our team was, hey.
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Greg Cosell
We are really fortunate and blessed and should feel really confident in the work.
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Colin Cowherd
That we've done up to this point to put ourselves in this position where we have a lot of great players that are ready to go. We trust each other. I feel like we're a connected team.
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Greg Cosell
I feel like we're a tough team.
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Colin Cowherd
And so let's go, let's go do it. You know, let's go, let's go. Rip it. Yep. With that, Greg Cosell, 46 years working at NFL Films. We all get smarter. So let's pivot quickly to the Rams. Let's start with the Rams. Man, they're talented. When you watch the offense with somebody with four and a half decades of experience of watching all kinds of offense from the ugly tush push to Mike Martz. Give me what when you watch the Rams, is there a prototype? Have you seen it before? What do you make of the offense?
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Greg Cosell
I think when you watch the Rams, what really struck me and I don't recall seeing something as dramatic as this. Colin from weeks one through six this season they did not play one snap with three tight ends on the field beginning week seven. Until now, 41% of their offensive snaps have had three tight ends on the field. Now one game where they didn't play a lot of it was against Seattle Week 11. But with DeVonta Adams out, I would imagine they will play with three tight ends a very good percentage of the time and I'm not going to sit here and recite numbers, but just believe me, they have been so good. Out of three tight end personnel, not just running the ball as one might expect, but passing the ball. The last two games, the last two games, Dallas and Detroit were their opponents. Just out of three tight ends, they've gained close to 700 yards. Think about that for a minute. They've gained close to 700 yards in the last two games and scored eight touchdowns just out of three tight ends. And what they normally get is a base defense. Although with Seattle they pretty much play big nickel on every snap because one could make the argument that Nick Iman Warri is the most important player on the Seahawks defense because of what he can do. And again, he predominantly aligns at the second level, but he's a really, really good player. And Seattle's defense, they're a fun watch.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, let's touch on Seattle's offense. What's wrong with the Seahawks run game?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, they have really struggled to run the ball. I think their O line has had a hard time. I think it's a bad mix. I think it's an O line that hasn't played well and it's a back in Kenneth Walker who to me the way I always thought about him even watching him in college is he's more jazz musician than classical pianist. In other wor he's looking to improvise. He's not someone who hits it up and gets the hard yards where 3 yards or 4 yards becomes really important in an offense as opposed to looking for that note, that outside note and then he gains 1 yard or loses 2 yards. So it's a bad marriage of an O line not playing particularly well and I think Walker is a guy that just needs to hit it up in there. And I think that's one reason they play Charbonnet as much as they do. Because Charbonnet obviously does not have a lot of juice, but at least he gets downhil.
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Colin Cowherd
I want to go Bears, packers, you know, Chicago's run game, they went and got Dolman, Tuney and Jonah Jackson. And I said, I said this last hour, it's not that they run it well. It's that there are often holes that are substantial that jump off the television where you, I mean, like not crevices, there's gaps.
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Public Podcast Host
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Does there, when you watch the film, does the Bears run game get enough credit?
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Greg Cosell
No, because we talk about Caleb every week and that's fine because he's, he makes special plays. But they're the second best running team in the National Football League. Only two teams average over 150 yards rushing, the Bills and the Bears. And what I love with Ben Johnson, and I don't think he gets enough credit for it either is his use of tight ends in the run game and his use of pre snap movement in the run game. It almost reminds me, and you'll know exactly who I'm talking about. Maybe some listening won't, but it almost reminds me going back a long time to Joe Gibbs with the Washington Redskins with the use of motion in the run game. Because what it does is it changes run support. So it changes angles, it changes leverage and it benefits you mightily in the run game. And you can just go back to that game a few weeks ago against the Eagles when they did that exceptionally well. But their use of tight ends in the run game is as good as any team in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Micah Parsons out for the year. How punitive, how punitive is that for the packers defense going forward?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, that's going to be interesting this week. I guess that's a Saturday night game and that's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. Because what Jeff Hafley and I think he's done an unbelievable job, he's predominantly a four man D line rush guy and what he does really well is change the picture on the back end pre snap to post snap. So the question is, and we don't know the answer till we see it, Colin, is does he brush five, you know, a few more times than he might normally because he doesn't have that one guy in Parsons who can win from multiple locations in the defensive front. Now it's a more traditional front. Now he has to rely on guys like Lucas Van Ness, Egnabarris Gary, guys like Theand Gary's a good player by the way, but guys like that, to be able to win one on one matchups, I think they'll stunt a lot. They've always been a high percentage stunting team to try to create confusion and protection. But the question, and we won't know the answer, is will he rush 5 a higher percentage of the time?
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Colin Cowherd
All right. A team right now that, you know, listen, I think there's a big chunk of America, myself included, that would like to see the Buffalo Bills finally win a Super Bowl. Yeah, it just. There's so many things about the people, the culture. Josh Allen, they don't have much of a vertical threat. They're very tight end, centric. Maybe Ed Oliver coming back helps the defense. I always feel like, and I felt this at various times for the last six or seven years, they just rely way too much on Josh Allen. But then I think to myself, well, if you have it, use it. I mean, I guess when you watch their, their offense, do you feel like it's sometimes they just wait for Josh to save them?
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Greg Cosell
I don't think that's true. And I think that, you know, the numbers bear that out and because every time I watch them play, they get to the second half of games and we know they've been trailing at times at halftime this year. You know, they come out in the third quarter almost every week and they run the ball. That's how they stabilize their offense. You might be surprised to know that the running back that has the most second half rushes in the NFL is James Cook. This is not a team that just relies on Josh Allen. It's just that he makes special plays and is capable of it, so it appears that way. And he certainly has games where he like a six touchdown game. But it's not just Josh Allen and nothing else on offense. They've got probably a top three offensive line in the league. They run the ball exceptionally well. As I said, Cook has the most second half carries of any back in the league. And you look at last week's game, I thought their defensive coaching staff did an outstanding job because they changed up some things in the second half and they caused Drake may to be a little hesitant and to not see things as clearly as he did in the first half and he has for most of the season. So yes, we focus on Josh and deservedly so. I mean, you and I probably both agree we may have never seen a quarterback that's more physically gifted than Josh Allen, but it's not just him, the way they play There's a team in.
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Colin Cowherd
The league that's actually very good, but all of us, myself included, are just not going to embrace them until I see it. And that's Jacksonville and they go to Denver. Now, Denver's played a tough schedule. Jacksonville's played, you know, a little softer schedule years. You know, I loved Trevor Lawrence out of college and after about three or four years, I'm like, he turns it over too much. He gets lured into bad picks. Well, this team can run. They can stop the run. You tell me, this offense for Jacksonville, is it for real?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah. Well, it's funny because the last five weeks and they've won five in a row, Trevor Lawrence has the most touchdown passes of any quarterback in the last five weeks. And I would say, because I watch them every week, because I like you. Trevor Lawrence was a guy that always fascinated me. Even going back to Clemson, you can see a difference in the way he's been playing the last five weeks. And I'm sure it's a comfort level in Liam Cohen's offense. One of the things you look for with a quarterback is, is he decisive, his reads and his throws. Because quarterbacks that are decisive, that means in their mind they're seeing it with clarity. Does that mean every throw is great?
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Richard Sherman
No.
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Greg Cosell
But in their mind they're seeing it with clarity because the ball's coming out within timing and structure and rhythm. And he has played like that the last five weeks. And one of the things that really stands out on film is how well he's throwing the ball outside the numbers. And those are hard throws in this league. So again, I'm not going to sit here and say he's going to have a great game against Denver. That's a really difficult defense. Denver leads the NFL in third down defense. They lead the NFL in quarterback sacks. It's a very hard defense to play against. So hey, he could throw two or three picks and then people might say, oh, there you go, he's still not very good. But just watching him these last four or five weeks, there is a clear comfort level in the way in which he is playing.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I've said it before, loudly and proudly. I like my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard to move. I like big quarterbacks, right? Big, thick, strong guys. I watched Russell Wilson age overnight. Kyler Murray is age quickly. Tua. Maybe more than the previous two. I mean, when you watch Tua, when I watch him, Greg, this kid doesn't want to get hit. I mean, I just, I watch a very apprehensive Quarterback Tua is, is part.
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Greg Cosell
To me of a larger discussion that has gotten a lot of conversation this week about pure progression versus reading defense, you know, and, and the old school. In fact, Kirk Cousins spoke about this eloquently this week. Tua is very much sort of a pre snap quarterback. He's got to hit his back foot, he's got to deliver the ball with timing, with rhythm. And yeah, you want your quarterbacks to do that, but that can't happen on every play. And what's happened is defenses have gotten a much better feel for the kinds of throws that he can make and he has limitations in the kinds of throws that he can make. So once you take those, throw away or minimize his ability to make those throws, there's not much more to do. There's not much more in his toolbox. So I think that's what's happened. And his arm strength, quite frankly, I don't know if it's gotten worse, but it's probably below NFL average standards now. Now, do you need a gun to be a good quarterback in the league? No. But there is a certain level where you have to be able to make throws that are not always within timing and structure and he's probably below that level right now.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's interesting. Kyle Shanahan ripped off is the wrong term, but a lot of people have picked up elements of his offense and so they're not fooling people without offense like they were six years ago or five years ago. And yet it just keeps working. Now I probably need to give Brock Purdy more love, but they've done it without Iuk. Debo's gone right offensive line, left tackles, old but great. Kittle hasn't lost a step, it feels like. But I watched this offense and I'm like, Kyle's been running this offense forever. Half the league's taken it and it's still unbelievably effective. Has he tweaked it over time?
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Greg Cosell
Yes. Well, what you see a lot of are changes in the use of pre snap movement and formations. Because don't forget there's not a thousand concepts in the pass game, for instance. So it's how do you get to them? What is your presentation to the defense? How do you get the defense to react? React so you can gain leverage with your routes, so you can win with your routes versus zone coverage, so you can create space. The motion element, the pre snap movement element is so critical to what they do. They've added a number of elements to that this year that again show the defense, a totally different presentation. But there's an example, when you get right down to it, they've added all those things, but it's still a very choreographed offense. It's. You know, the term I would use is there's an illusion of complexity to their. To their offense in what they do, which makes it difficult for the defense. But it's probably. I would assume this. I'm not in the meetings, obviously, but I would assume in the way it's taught. It's probably relatively simple, but there's a complexity illusion that's presented to the defense.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I want to. Let's end talking Eagles and Jalen hurts. This offense, and I noted this earlier this week, feels like it's been broken since week one, stages of being broken. Is there anything you've seen that's encouraging with Jalen hurts in the offense?
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Greg Cosell
Well, I certainly can't tell you why they do things that they do. All I can tell you is the last two weeks, including the loss, by the way, to the Chargers, they've expanded their past game concepts and it's been good to see they've started to do more things, which really helped Jalen hurts, which really helped to define reads and throws for him. And they've done that the last two weeks. Like I said, I can't tell you why they didn't do it. Weeks one through 12. I don't know the answer to that. I'm not smart enough for that, Colin, but I do know what I see on film and they've definitely expanded it. Also, what they started to do a little bit more, and this was clearly part of what they did the last number of years was more quarterback design runs and that puts a lot of pressure on defense. But I think, you know, he threw a touchdown late in the game last week. Obviously he was against the Raiders. We know they're not very good. That doesn't mean a lot to me. It's the execution. So let's go to that play because I think it speaks a lot to Jalen Hurts and you know, he can make throws. He's. He's a Super bowl champion quarterback, you know, so he can make throws. This was the touchdown to A.J. brown later in the game. But I really like this play for a number of reasons. Number one, you're going to see hurts in the gun. Now he has Shipley next to him here, not Barkley, although Barkley's got on the field as well. Now notice Shipley will shift outside in what we call a plus split. He's far Outside the numbers to the wide side of the field. So now you have an empty set and what you have here is something you don't see very often, which is trips into the boundary, trips into the short side of the field and Barkley is on that side of the field. So it's what we call a pony package. So now what you're going to get here is you look to the top of the screen, you're going to get Shipley running a slant route and AJ Brown is inside of him, he's going to run a seam route. That's the two man route combination. Look where that post safety is. He's cheated to the trip side of the field and that's important. So what you have to make sure when you're Jalen hurts when you take the snap is he doesn't rotate over to play that seam route by Brown. That's critical. If he rotates over, you can't throw it. So now the ball's going to get snapped and he's going to stay outside. So now he is outside the hash mark to the trip side. So now you have the slant route by Shipley once he disappears. Okay, here's the critical thing. Once Shipley disappears, now the throat is to the seam, but you have to beat the outside corner whose job it is to overlap that route. So what does Hertz do really well here? It's the subtlety of the position. He bends Brown in a little bit further. Instead of throwing the straight seam, he bends him in just a little bit further to make sure that that corner cannot overlap that route. This is really, this is high level quarterbacking here by Hertz and this is what you want to see. Like I said, it's a detail, it's a nuance, it's a subtlety. But you know, that's what playing the quarterback position is. And when I saw this on tape, I said that that's just a really good play. So I'm really anxious to see where their offense goes now, Colin, as it continues down the last three games and obviously they're going to win the division so they'll be in the playoffs.
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Colin Cowherd
Greg COsell NFL Films 46 years Appreciate it as always on a Thursday, Greg.
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Greg Cosell
Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm going to have, I'm writing letters. You know, I'm old school, I like to write letters. I'm going to have some apology letters. I'm going to send the coaches and players in college and pro football by the end of the hour. You know, I like to get personal and you know, I admit it. I took out the pen and the notepad this week. That'll be coming up in about 25 minutes. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's Cavino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live.
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Greg Cosell
No no no heard on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Herd line news and.
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Guest Analyst
Let'S go to Seattle for That game, weather reports are not looking good. It could get inclement there. But don't worry, McVay is dealing with the weather. And guess what, Colin, he's also dealing with a new record. Colin, unbelievably, if McVay wins tonight, he has 99 career wins. He has a chance to hit 100. He would be the third coach in NFL history to win 100 games before turning 40 years old.
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Colin Cowherd
The other two, John Madden.
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Guest Analyst
No, these guys are. Yeah. Curly Lambeau.
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Colin Cowherd
Love him.
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Guest Analyst
George Hallis. Oh, yeah, you were probably what a college guy. Hanging out, focusing on Hallis and Lambo.
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Colin Cowherd
Curly could bring it.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah. So McVeigh in a really impressive group if he's able to pull off the dub tonight. You know, McVeigh's got a lot going on. He just had a new baby. You know, his wife gave birth. So, you know, he's a father. A lot going on, holiday season, number one seed. This game is crazy tonight. Hope you don't have any holiday parties to go to in Chicago. You gotta lock in. There's like a one drink minimum tonight for you.
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Colin Cowherd
Right. Well, that doesn't mean I can't open up a second small bottle of champagne to celebrate the greatness that is Fox Sports in the NFL football season.
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Guest Analyst
And listen, I'm not gonna lie. Rams getting the number one. That means multiple playoff games out here at Sofi. You know that, that's not bad. Well, indoors, give me Sofi. Over 20 degrees. Outside in Chicago or Green Bay or Philly. Sorry, I, I know some people love that. Give me the warm weather dome.
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Colin Cowherd
I think I could argue bad weather favors the Rams because they have a more consistent high end run game. And if you, if, if both teams, if it's windy, raining sideways up in Seattle, I'd take the Rams run game.
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Greg Cosell
Interesting.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah, I, I don't want to be, I don't want to be fence sitting Colin Cowherd. I don't really have a side here. I'm rooting Rams a little bit, but you know, just for the Niners scenario, I'm kind of rooting Seahawks, so. Whatever. I just hope it's a great game.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it will be. Yeah.
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Guest Analyst
All right, next up, Joe Burrow. Colin boy, interestingly, he keeps saying stuff into microphones. Yeah, it's NFL superstars don't normally say.
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Guest Analyst
You know, the media feels like there's chum in the water and they were asking him yesterday about what his future looks like with the Bengals. This is not great. Take a listen.
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Greg Cosell
Is there any world in Your mind where you're not the quarterback of the Bengals next year. I could, I couldn't. I can't see that. No. A lot of crazy things happen every year.
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Colin Cowherd
Micah Parsons got traded right before the seat, right before the season. I think this year that is a. Something I haven't seen in a long.
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Greg Cosell
Time in the NFL. So crazy things can happen.
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Guest Analyst
I know we have a Bengals fan on staff who just hears that and is just burying his head in his hands.
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Greg Cosell
Bro.
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Guest Analyst
That is basically like, somebody, come get me. Is it not? Is Joe Burrow not saying, I'm open to leaving this franchise? It's terrible.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, I, I feel actual sadness for Joe because I think he's never had an offensive line better than 23rd. I, I, the weird thing, I always have sympathy for pro athletes who, their first team out of college, they work all these years to be elite, and they end up going to a terrible franchise with bad ownership and a small front office. I mean, he's just, I mean, how many more times can he get beat up and have to go into rehab? He's, you know, the good thing is they got him. They got him good receivers, but, but not much else.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah. So here's the fun portion of the program. Burrow said next year he'll be in Cincinnati. After that. Tbd. Right. So I've got four teams I've been spitballing, working around some stuff here. Are you ready? Four teams for Joe Burrow. Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin, obviously, Jalen hurts is there for this year and next year. But Howie Roseman has taken some big swings, some surprising moves. They've moved off guys. They brought in guys I wouldn't rule out if Burrows on the market. Philadelphia making a move. Your thoughts?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, it's the kind of thing Howie Roseman would do. Yeah.
- [30:54]
Greg Cosell
Okay.
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Guest Analyst
So, yeah, there's another team that has taken some big swings. They happen to play out here at SoFi, and that's McVeigh and the Rams less need. They are always working. They got Devonte Adams. They went and got Matthew Stafford for golf. Stafford's got a year or two left. You don't think there's a world where they make a move and go after Joe Burrow?
- [31:12]
Colin Cowherd
Well, no, no, no. I, I do think there's a world that would happen. And they're. They have such a stacked roster. They could give Cincinnati a number one pick and like a Pro bowl level defensive lineman. I mean, they have that kind of depth.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, I, I could see the Rams doing that I can see McVeigh saying, I don't want a 22 year old quarterback. I want my Stafford. Yeah, yeah.
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Guest Analyst
So two more. This one obviously is self interest, but I can see the New York jets being a decent fit for Burrow. I know they have a terrible owner.
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Colin Cowherd
What are they?
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Guest Analyst
Joe feels like a New York kind of guy. Big into fashion and a chance to be the franchise savior in New York.
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Colin Cowherd
No go from the Bengals ownership to the Jets.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah. Out of the frying pan into the pot. Gotcha. Final one, Colin. This one's interesting. His college buddy Justin Jefferson plays in Minnesota. J.J. mcCarthy is going to get another year. Right. But after that, Kevin o', Connell, if they don't make the playoffs next year. Hey, Kevin, you got to do something big. They make a move and go get Joe Burrow.
- [32:10]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, I could see that because the Bengals wouldn't have to pay maybe the rest of Burrow's contract. I don't have the numbers and the years in front of me, but, you know, any. Anytime they can save a nickel, they will. So I could see that happening.
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Guest Analyst
You know, there's going to be a. We joke about markets. That's a huge market for Burrow. Everybody and their mom is doing whatever they can.
- [32:31]
Colin Cowherd
Well, he's had. He's had a lot of injuries, so you. Buyer beware. I'm not acquiring him if I have to give up offensive lineman or if I have a bad O line like the Rams. O line is good, but he is. I have some sympathy for Joe. I know he's made a lot of money. He's a pro athlete. But, you know, I feel bad for these guys that get drafted by lousy franchises and Cincinnati's cheap and, you know, they won't protect him. I mean, it's amazing. First thing Ben Johnson did with Caleb Williams, buy an elite center, buy two really good guards. First thing he did. And then get him another receiver, Luther Burton, get him a tight end. I mean, the first thing he did is furnish Caleb Williams with assistance, protection, insurance and health. That's how you do it.
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Guest Analyst
All right, final story, Colin. Speaking of the Bengals, they will be facing Quinn Ewers and the Miami Dolphins. Tua has been benched for years. In his first media appearance since the decision, Tua discusses feelings on getting kicked to the curb.
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Greg Cosell
Lee, I'd say I'm disappointed. I think it's normal. It's normal human emotion. But, you know, outside of that, I got to do my. My part. My role here right now is to help whoever the quarterback is going to be for this team, to lead this team, help in whatever way I can, you know, to help the team win. Win this game on Sunday.
- [33:56]
Colin Cowherd
It yeah, it's time he had a run.
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Guest Analyst
It's time he had it. That was impressive by two. Listen, you get benched and you're facing the media. 50 microphones in your face. He sounded good. Colin, I've got a crazy stat for you. I just noticed this. You want to guess how many rookie quarterbacks are starting this weekend in the NFL?
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Colin Cowherd
Six. Wow.
- [34:15]
Guest Analyst
How did you know that?
- [34:16]
Colin Cowherd
I don't know.
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Guest Analyst
I was like, I didn't even know six guys were drafted. It was such a bad class. Here we go. Ers Cam Ward, Tyler Schuck, Jackson Dart, Shador Sanders. And yes, Brady Cook is starting for the jets again. This is a sign that multiple teams get the whole tanking memo right? Some of these guys should not be starting this week.
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Colin Cowherd
Let Brady Cook is what they're saying in New York.
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Guest Analyst
They're not saying.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line news should be noted. They're all a little better than we thought. Tyler Shucks. A little better than we thought. Jackson Dark, Shador Sanders. Everybody said, ah, it's a bad quarterback class. I even watched the Cook kid for the jets last week. I'm like, I watched him in college, Missouri. I'm like, he's a pretty good player. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, J. Mac, I'm a bit of a traditionalist and this time of the year, I don't know, I get the. The warm and fuzzies here. I'm going to. I took out a pencil, number two pencil, and some note cards. And I wanted to set her. You know, people I've wronged in college and pro football over the last couple months. You know, I'm big enough man to acknowledge I've hurt some feelings, so I thought I'd write some letters. Okay. Okay, let's start. I mean, he's led the Steelers to the number three red zone offense. Let's start with Aaron Rodgers. Dear Aaron, I said this offense was a rotary phone in a smartphone world. Dated, clunky and unnecessary, but like fries and a sandwich. Pittsburgh didn't know they needed you. Now they can't live without you. Buy a Waska, Colin. You know I was tough on Dak Prescott and the Cowboys this year. So I grabbed that number two pencil. Dear Dak, I once said you were not the guy you would back up the Brinks truck for. Consider this my Texas size surrender. You can lead a team and a league. If you were on my team, I'd back up the Brinks truck. The Ben and Jerry's truck, the Budweiser truck. Your friend Colin leads the NFL in passing yards. You know what? I'm gonna send one to his billionaire friend, Jerry Jones. Happy ye holidays, Jerry. I said you run the Cowboys like an impulse buy at BUC EE's that you like. Headlines over hardware and splash over substance. This year's trade, big splash. A cannonball off the yacht. Still you swung, so I'm holding up a 10. Colin. How about rookie Jackson dart Boy, I was tough on that kid. Dear Jackson, you spend more time in a tent than an REI salesman, yet somehow come out tougher, sharper and more polished. You're like a developing Polaroid. I can't see the full picture yet, but I'm glad you're shaking things up. Okay, Scatigo. For now, colin. How about 44 year old Philip Rivers? Recently unretired. Dear Coach Rivers, I'm not sorry you talked trash. I'm sorry the media did. Now, I'm sure you won't win the X Games, but you went out there, grabbed your kid's skateboard and landed the trick. Bozos like J. Mac doubted you, not me. Happy holidays, Colin. How about my letter To Sam Darnold. Dear Sambo, I'd like to apologize to absolutely nobody. You got the Hawks at 11 and three, poised to be a number one seed. I was early, I was loud, I was right. Colin Coward, your 13th man. Happy holidays. How about this one? To USC coach Lincoln Riley. I just finished this one this morning. Dearest Lincoln, here's my Lincoln letter. I said your Trojan tenure was drifting, momentum gone. Like a film that ran out of budget. Then you recruited the number one recruiting class. My apologies. Your green lit for a trilogy. Probably a spin off. Stay streaming, Colin. And finally, the new Louisiana State football coach, Lane Kiffin. Dearest Lane, I warned that heading to LSU would be chaotic, combustible and short lived.
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Guest Analyst
You know what?
- [42:54]
Colin Cowherd
I. I'm gonna hang on to this for a few more weeks. I'm not gonna send this one out yet. I mean he did crush at Ole Miss, but the governor's on his butt. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, a couple of holiday letters. I saw this J. Mack.
- [43:13]
Guest Analyst
Well, wait, hold on, hold on. I'm really proud of you for single handedly saving the US Postal Service with all these letters and stamps. I mean, well done and, and getting in a dig at me and calling me a bozo. I like it, man. That's good stuff. That was fun.
- [43:28]
Colin Cowherd
So I saw this story and you know, I like the Mannings. Met all of them, like all of them. It says here, Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas. This is the headline because he can still be the quarterback one in the 2027 draft. And I'll tell you why, I am really cynical of that. So he went to a high school that was a smaller school. And some question the competition, not his fault, a reality. So I thought, well, let's just see him at Texas. Well, the first two years he sat he had Sark, great offensive coach and Texas talent. And then year three starts with Texas talent and Sark and I can't unsee it the first half of this year. Go, go back and look at the UTEP game. UTEP and, and that's my thing to be a number one pick. The first time Caleb Williams was thrust into a game was not prepared for it at Oklahoma. He was brilliant the first time Trevor Lawrence started won a natty as a freshman. Andrew Luck may have red shirted, but our first glimpse of him. Wow. Those guys as number one picks feel sort of generational like, like John Elway. Arch sat for two years, had Sarge, had Texas. And they slowly crafted him, slowly developed him. That doesn't feel like something that becomes the number one pick. Like, like Fernando Mendoza was at Cal. He didn't set the world on fire. But Cal's got no, you know, they've got like second tier talent. The minute he got elite talent, not Ohio State talent for good talent around him, I mean he's been unbelievable this year. So I think my take is that Arch Manning, generally speaking, Kobe at 17, 18 years old had the greatest workout. Jerry west, the late Jerry west said he'd ever seen. LeBron at 17 was called the best high school basketball player ever. I think when you're, I think generational talent. Caleb Williams, first snaps, whoa. Andrew Luck, redshirt freshman year. Trevor Lawrence. It doesn't mean certain players can't develop slowly. But I do think, you know, what's the Paige Beckers, the UConn basketball player, didn't she got a scholarship offer in the sixth grade. I think generally, and remember this, an example is he had such an advantage being a Manning, all the family members most played in the NFL that, that, that's a, that's an advantage. So I, I, I guess my take is he could be an NFL quarterback. I like his athletic ability. I think he's got a pretty good arm. But when I number one pick, I think Tiger Woods, Cooper Flag LeBron. I think just generational stuff. Obviously there's a lot of misses, but I, I, I don't know, I just don't. I feel like next year if Dante Moore came out and Arch Manning came out, that would be an easy decision for me. It would be Dante Moore and by the way, the Manning family may not want the number one thing. I mean the number one pick, you often go to an awful team if you slide a little bit. You know, it's often a huge advantage. But the Serenas and Rory McElroy's and the traditional kind of number one pick, kind of, I don't know, I just think Eli Manning was underrated. So was Archie Peyton was fairly rated at this point. There's just stuff I can't quite unsee yet. Here's Sark on Arch Manning coming back for another year.
- [47:16]
Greg Cosell
He's a young man who's gotten considerably.
- [47:19]
Colin Cowherd
Much better as the season's gone on. And not only physically, but I think mentally maturity wise of assuming that position. I would think he's going to want another year of that growth to put himself in position for hopefully a long.
- [47:33]
Greg Cosell
Career in the NFL.
- [47:34]
Colin Cowherd
And he's got some unfinished business for him.
- [47:36]
Greg Cosell
I think the competitor him is going.
- [47:38]
Colin Cowherd
To say, man, I sure would like Another crack at trying to do those things. So he's going to be 22 in April. He's not that young. And I guess he could be a slow developer. I mean, Joe Burrow, like junior year, you're like, I'm not sure. And then all of a sudden he popped and threw like 60 touchdowners or something outrageous at LSU. But the headlines, the thing that caught my attention, Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas. He could still be quarterback one. I think what's going to happen. Jaden Myava going back to usc. Dante Moore could stay at Oregon. Ty Simpson could stay at Alabama. Next year's class could be. Could be pretty profound. We'll see. I do think this year's class got a lot of criticism, but I think Jackson Dart, we have to be fair. Jackson Dart is absolutely. I saw him as kind of a second round talent. Jackson Dart's been good. Too many trips to the blue tent. But you know what? Drake may spend some time in the blue tent his rookie year. Justin Herbert put his head down, tried to run over linebackers in safety. So did Baker Mayfield. You get popped about six, seven times and all of a sudden you look at the blue tent and it, it's like that place you don't want to go. Right. So it'll be a different J. Mac this weekend. I think an interesting game. Jacksonville's played a much lighter schedule than Denver. I do think. Keep your eye on Jacksonville. I don't see a lot of upsets.
- [48:58]
Guest Analyst
Oh, well, you got.
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Colin Cowherd
I do.
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Guest Analyst
A little closer, my friend.
- [49:02]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, you have one.
- [49:03]
Guest Analyst
Well, I mean, listen, we've touched on it a couple times this week. I read it to you before the show. The Kansas City Chiefs injury report screams a team that's just going to shut down a lot of dudes and have them play maybe on Christmas Day at home against the Broncos in like a Travis Kelsey send off. Oh, Rasheed Rice is concussed. Doesn't look like he's going to go. My fantasy team's not happy. But you look around that team and there's a lot of. McDuffie may not play. Now, I know Tennessee doesn't want to win, but there's still a bunch of professional athletes who are young, looking to make an impression on the GM and keep their jobs. Cam Ward's not going to suddenly stop trying. I think the Titans win that outright. This line has come down four and.
- [49:41]
Colin Cowherd
A half to three.
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Guest Analyst
I think it's going to keep coming down if that injury report keeps getting bad for Casey.
- [49:46]
Colin Cowherd
You know what? Can I give you a sharp pick. Everybody's talking Ravens. I like New England. Oh, I think three is too many points. I like New England at Baltimore. That is if they lose, it's close. The other thing.
- [50:01]
Guest Analyst
I just admitted, by the way, Ravens Patriots will be in headlines tomorrow. Just just laid the wager on one of those teams. No teaser. Just gonna put that out there.
- [50:09]
Colin Cowherd
Okay. Any strong feeling? Chargers at the Cowboys.
- [50:14]
Guest Analyst
Cowboys probably.
- [50:15]
Colin Cowherd
That's how I thought early in the week you were Chargers. I, I. You know, when you get humiliated or you play really poorly in a big spot and the owners ripping the defensive coordinator, I think Dallas is going to have one of those kind of circle the wagons, kind of like play as well as they can possibly play. And it feels like the Chargers are just figuring out ways to win. Ugly. And that may bite him at some point.
- [50:38]
Guest Analyst
Chiefs game. They didn't look good, Colin.
- [50:40]
Colin Cowherd
I know.
- [50:40]
Guest Analyst
I mean they somehow won, but a lot of it had to do with the Chiefs just stink.
- [50:43]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [50:44]
Guest Analyst
You know the Chargers offensive line is horrible. I mean, look at Justin Herbert's passing numbers since he's got the broken hand. Not good.
- [50:51]
Colin Cowherd
Our number three, Todd McShay stop spot Mendoza Dart what would you do if you're the GM in New York?
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What a matchup we got, y'.
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Colin Cowherd
This is that classic HBCU vibe.
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Colin Cowherd
The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum beat, everybody showing that.
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School pride game like this.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola.
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Colin Cowherd
Crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there. Yeah, that taste.
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Colin Cowherd
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We're back for season four to talk to some incredible small business owners. The big thing about working at tech is that it's ever evolving, ever changing. Everyone's a rookie.
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Colin Cowherd
So what I'm really excited about is to be part of that change.
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