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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Michael Jordan comments on load management, candidates for the LSU job, Joel Klatt
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon.
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Colin Cowherd
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. It's Wednesday. It's hour two. Joel Clatton, five minutes. He's got Ohio State, Penn State. This weekend it is the Herd live in Chicago. So on Tuesdays I do Herd hierarchy. One of the reasons I've had the Kansas City Chief number one for a month in herd hierarchy is the best way I would explain how I view the Kansas City chief is the same way I view the company Apple. I don't always love the stock price, but I trust the leadership and like the company, don't always love the stock price. Not every product works and I'm looking at Kansas City this morning. Their last time they won a Super bowl, they averaged 22 points a game. This year they're averaging 26. And Apple or the Chiefs ability to fix problems quickly. Like their run game early this year was awful. Oh, I watched it last week. Pretty good. Their O line lost Joe Tuney was not good early. It's it's ranked fourth by PFF today. Their wide receiver group six weeks ago, kind of a mess. Now I think it's the deepest in the sport. I've said this about the Rams and McVeigh. They just fix stuff fast. The Kansas City Chiefs I don't always love the stock price or the products. I trust the management. I trust the company. Chicago Bears Ben Johnson Last year Bears were dead last in offense. Right now they're they're top 12 and we still think they're inconsistent at quarterback. So I know they have the right coach. So everybody has dips. It could be Meta, it could be Microsoft. It could be the Kansas City Chiefs. Say this for Sean Payton rebuilt him. Sean Payton, remember the Rams a couple years ago? Sean Payton rebuilt with the dead cap money of Russell Wilson. They're still paying. Rebuilt him in a year, still paying. Dead cat money. Kyle Shanan to his credit, using a backup quarterback. Eight high end starters gone, still viable, still in the playoff picture. I think it's mostly offensive guys. I always say this. I can always tell when a guy doesn't have real confidence. I mean, you can go to the gym, have the big chest, you can have the big truck. But when a guy is rigid and doesn't like change, he doesn't trust himself. Forget what he's projecting out, he doesn't trust himself. Okay, Annie Reid trusts himself. Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, they rebuild all the time. They move off stuff all the time and it's not working. That's the ultimate confidence. It's just. They just had to get that. They had to get Rasheed Rice back. I mean, they still don't have their left tackle O lines ranked fourth. If you really do trust yourself, you're okay to rebuild stuff because you know you may miss, but you're more likely to hit. It's like when Sean Payton was calling out Russell Wilson. He didn't have Bo Nicks yet, but he knew it was a big quarterback draft coming up and he knew he was going to get one of those quarterbacks and he got the one he liked and would turn it around.
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Joel Klatt
And he did.
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Colin Cowherd
He made the playoffs in a division with Herbert and Mahomes. And with that, Joel Klatt, the voice of college football, is now joining us. He's got Penn State at Ohio State this weekend. So you know these universities, they always squawk about, they're running out of money. Boy, the nil. How are we gonna make the nil work? And then they buy out James Franklin and Brian Kelly at lsu. So they got plenty of money. We were talking about this. So Florida's got an opening. LSU's got an opening. Penn State's got an opening now. I think a lot of it. Brian Kelly always felt Midwest to me, not Southern. I didn't love the fit, but Urban Meyer went down and won. Natty's at Florida and he's more Midwest. If you said there was a. The hottest coach in the country. Lsu, Florida, Penn State. Is there a best job of those three?
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, I think LSU is. And Colin, I would go a step further and say I think LSU is a top three job in the entire sport. I think only Texas and maybe Ohio State are better. Than lsu. I think LSU is a better job than Bama. I think it's arguable between LSU and Georgia. They've got incredible resources. The recruiting pipeline is right there. You're in the middle of everything in terms of recruiting. They have tradition. Guys can win national championship there. So it comes down to fitness. I mean, why does Ed Ogeron fit at LSU and not Brian Kelly? I think it's what you were just talking about, about being rigid. You know, Ed Ogeron, you know, went down there and he was flexible and did some things that maybe he was uncomfortable with. And all of a sudden they turned into the best offense in the history of College football in 2019 with Joe Burrow and Brian Kelly. I mean, it was the moment he stepped onto that basketball court and gave the fake Southern accent. I couldn't unsee that or unhear that. So every time I, I saw him in an LSU shirt or hat, I couldn't unhear the fake accent. It was never a good fit. And the authenticity was never really there at lsu. And now starting to come out, a lot of the former players are chirping on social media and you're trying to decipher what that is and peek under the hood a little bit. But fit is very important. Back to your question about best jobs. I do think that LSU is the best one of this cycle. And Colin, I would say that these three with Florida and Penn State, I think are three of the top 10 jobs in all of college football.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
And I can't remember. Maybe I'm just being recency bias here. I can't remember a time when we had this level of openings in particular in October. That's never happened. We can talk about the timing of these firings as well, but these are massive jobs that are all looking for like the A list guy. And I would actually make an argument that the talent pool is more thin than it's ever been. You know, this is going to produce a bit of an arms race. Lane Kiffin likely will end up being the highest paid coach in college football because of this. Dan Lanning will likely end up being a $15 million a year coach because of this. Whether they stay in their respective spots or move. I think LSU is going to call Urban and Nick Saban because why wouldn't you? I think they're going to call Dan Lanning and they're going to offer him the moon. LSU has a lot of money and this is what people I don't think understand. It's a little bit more quiet than other places around the country. But they've got those billionaires down there, trust me. And they've got a lot of resources and money will not be the reason that they miss on a coach here. But what they should be thinking about is what we were just talking about, which is fit. Who's the best fit for lsu, because if you get the fit right, that's a place that can win the national championship.
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Colin Cowherd
So two games this weekend are fascinating. If USC loses at Nebraska and Vanderbilt beats Texas, Sark and Lincoln Riley are going to get major heat. Now Sark's got a bit of a pass because Arch Manning hurt may not play right. I saw some Sark rumors come out about the NFL. I had said this two months ago, like I think he's the best candidate out there from the college game is Sark. But I think Texas is arguably the best job. So I would stay in Austin, but let's just, just, let's just look ahead and I, I know I always talk usc, but last time you were on, you said it's better now. And I said, okay. The offense was good four years ago. The offense was smart and clever and quarterback play was good. They were very good at home four years ago and they can't win games on the road and they're a much better program.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, that's so surface. That's so surface.
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Colin Cowherd
Maybe I'm surface. I'm in television. Maybe just the makeup in me.
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Joel Klatt
Maybe.
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Colin Cowherd
If they lose to Nebraska, would you acknowledge is it's not better than three years ago?
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Joel Klatt
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Joel Klatt
This is a great litmus test of, I guess, our positions on this. You talked about like the offense being clever and creative. That's because they had to be because they weren't balanced. Now they're balanced. And against the teams that they can retain that balance, they are very good. Now, was Illinois a good matchup for them? No. Notre Dame? No. And that's why they need to continue to get better. I believe they're on the trajectory towards getting better in those areas to be better at the line of scrimmage. But, but what's different now is that they will and are committed to running the football and they should be able to run it against Nebraska. Nebraska is ranked 15th in the Big Ten. Stop in the run. And if you allow Lincoln Riley and Jade Mava to have a run game, they will pick you apart. This is why it's different now and it's much more sustainable. The one worry would be like, is their defense going to be able to stop the run of Nebraska? I think Nebraska is okay running the football. They'll certainly try to test the interior of that defensive line. But this has much more sustainability and the trajectory for USC is a lot more positive now than it was even when they had Caleb Williams. Because with Caleb Williams, it was smoke and mirrors. Colin, it was all surface. It was lipstick. It was vanity. Now there's some substance there because of the balance that they play with on the offensive side. And if they retain that against Nebraska, they'll win this weekend. There's. There's not a doubt in my mind. In fact, I would take them and give the six and a half because I don't think Nebraska stops the run. And there's no way that USC is going to score under 35 points if they're balanced. And if you're telling me Dylan Rayola is going to score 30 or more points against USC, I would. I just don't think that that's going to take place.
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Colin Cowherd
So I watched last week, I watched Alabama and South Carolina play, and though it was in a losing cause, I think I draft the South Carolina quarterback first because I see juice. I've always said this about quarterback play. When I watch a college guy, you got to give me one wow trait. I've got to go wow now. So South Carolina, you're wrong again.
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Joel Klatt
You're wrong again.
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Colin Cowherd
Ty Simpson has no juice. He's no juice.
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Joel Klatt
Watch it. Watch his intermediate throws. Watch him control the game from the pocket. Colin. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
He is just.
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Joel Klatt
Who wins Super Bowls? Guys that control the game from the pocket control the game now. You have to do those things first. See, this is. This is. This is. And I bring this up all the time. This is math. You got to have algebra one under your belt before you can go to algebra two and then calculus and do all that. You got to bake the cake first before you put frosting on it.
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Colin Cowherd
You.
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Joel Klatt
You want to go and you want to put the wedding topper on it and get all the frivolous frosting on the cake. But you got to understand, you've got to make the cake first. And listen, Sellers is. Is a terrific player and he'll certainly be thought of highly in the NFL draft. I think he's going to be a top 10 pick. I'm not saying that he's bad, but I'm just saying if you compare their games, the game that Ty Simpson plays directly correlates to the National Football League. He will go in and he will have success. He is a Bo Knicks or a Joe Burrow style of guy that can go in there and make those throws right away with anticipation and accuracy. I would also put another guy in there. Fernando Mendoza is going to have a ton of success in the NFL because of what he does from a foundational standpoint. His accuracy is his anticipation, his intellect. Sellers is a wonderful player, but you, you take a look around the NFL at all these places that draft traits at quarterback versus drafting quarterbacks, and it never ends up well for them. They're turning over offensive coordinators, they're turning over head coaches. It never really works. Maybe that guy will succeed down the road, but. But to me, the first pick in the draft is going to become a discussion between Mendoza at Indiana and Ty Simpson at Alabama. Sellers is wonderful, but he doesn't control the game from the pocket like those two do. If you look at the last, you know, ever since Tom Brady won his super bowl, you look at the quarterbacks that win the Super Bowl. Look at their college careers. Look at the style that they play. Look at what they do. They're experienced. They have over 30 starts combined. You know, I think the average number of starts for the guys that have won Super Bowls since the early 2000s is like 29 and a half is the average number of starts in college. So you're looking for an experienced guy that can go out there, control it from the pocket. So that. That's what I would say about that. I mean, look at the trades. You keep wanting to draft Caleb Williams and then now you bag on Caleb Williams and you're all over Ben Johnson.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, no, I liked. I liked Drake May and Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix. I liked all of them.
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Joel Klatt
I thought all of those guys could control the game from the pocket.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, well, I like Jaden Daniels movement. I like Bo Nix's athletic ability. I actually like Drake May's athletic.
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Joel Klatt
But those are pluses. Those are, those are like the. That's the frosting. It's like, great. Now, now you tell me you got a cake and now you can put some frosting on it. Now I'm in.
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Colin Cowherd
Let me ask you, if Ohio State. So Michigan wins the Natty, then Ohio State wins the Natty. If Ohio State. And their defense is clearly the best in the country.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
If Ohio State or Indiana wins the national championship, what does it say about the Big Ten SEC comp. What does it say?
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Joel Klatt
You know, I get. I get this question a lot, and I think that it boils down to this. I think at. At the top end, the Big Ten has the best teams in college football, Indiana and Ohio State, you know, Kind of leading the track there as far as depth goes in the middle of the conference, you can make an argument that the SEC is better. Now, I do think that some of those teams get overvalued as compared to the top middle of the Big Ten. For instance, these four teams, I feel like, do not get the love that they should. Iowa, Washington, Michigan and usc. Those teams are better than the apartment would suggest. They're better than the narrative would suggest, than the other network would certainly suggest. But the middle of the SEC is. Is very good and very deep, and it makes it incredibly difficult to go out there and win every single week. What I start getting frustrated with in this whole conversation is that you go in overtime if you're Texas against Kentucky and Mississippi State, and you're sitting there and it's like, hold on a second. You can't just tell me that every win in that conference because it's on the road is a quality win. And Texas all of a sudden retains their position, even moves up in the AP poll. Meanwhile, Iowa is playing great football. They were just tied with Indiana in the last two minutes of their game in Kinnick a couple of weeks ago. A few weeks ago, 1313. And Iowa can't get ranked. You know, so. So that's where the perception maybe is a little off. Top end of the Big Ten, better, middle of the sec, better, deeper. And that's. Both of those things can be true.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's interesting, because of Phil Knight's money, I wouldn't leave Oregon for lsu, even though I think LSU is a better job. I wouldn't leave Ole Miss for Florida. There's way more pressure, and I think you can have a team that's almost as talent rich as long as you have one or two nil guys. I wouldn't leave. There's only about four programs. I would never leave Ohio State. I would never leave. I don't think there's a better job than Texas. If I got LSU rolling, I wouldn't leave. Same with Georgia. Bama, what do you do if you're Lane Kiffin? Because you could get Florida or lsu. What do you do if you're Lane Kiffin? He's still young. He's reinvented himself. Ole Miss is a very good job. It's not a great job. No, it's a very good job. I would stay because I think he's viewed as the architect of the next 10 years, and he's bounced around a lot, and I think for his personality and what he's done, it's a neat fit. Would you leave? Would you leave if you were lame?
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Joel Klatt
I mean, LSU is intriguing, right? I just think, like, LSU is a step above. I think that you have to overachieve at Ole Miss. You've got to do things that the program has never done to reach your ultimate goals and to win at the top end of college football in a lot of respects, you know, the best years of Ole Miss football, at least in recent vintage or what we're seeing right now. And does he want better than that, you know, and go to lsu? And we know that LSU can go and put together rosters year in and year out that compete at the top end, not only the sec, but also of the country, and win a national championship. I do think it comes down to resources. And like I said, I think that LSU has top two or three resources, financially, in college football. I. I know a couple of their boosters. They have deep, deep pockets. And in this day and age, that's what you have to have. That's why Dan Landing loves Oregon. That and a few other things. I think Dan Lanning and his family love Eugene. You know, Dan told me one time, he's like, you know what's kind of nice is I can go to dinner in Eugene, and you can't go to dinner. I mean, that's something I know that resonates, you know, Colin, with you, is like the quality of life in Eugene is, is very good. And, and it's not like he's not able to build a team that can go and perform at the top end of college football and maybe even win the national championship. Heck, they might win the national championship this year. I mean, we don't even, you know, we need to see how that team continues to develop and, and play in this month of November. Although their, their November is going to be pretty difficult for them. So I don't think Dan Lanning will leave, but I think Lane will. I think Lane is. Is. If I had to bet Lane Kiffin is your next coach at lsu.
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Wow, that's powerful.
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Colin Cowherd
That'd be an interesting watch, wouldn't it?
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Joel Klatt
It would be.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you think. Hey, let me throw this out there. I know it's just a conjecture. I think Sark works in the NFL. I think he does.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah. So you said. Listen, obviously he's coached there and done it successfully when he was a coordinator at Atlanta.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he was great.
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Joel Klatt
Ryan Day would be another guy has. Has NFL background. Remember, he was on a couple of CHIP staffs in San Francisco. And how about Philadelphia?
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Colin Cowherd
How about this argument that Texas is a great job, but the best jobs in the world. Texas is arguably the best college job, but the best jobs in the world at football are NFL jobs. When you have solid ownership and a star quarterback, your assist, your assistants don't leave because NFL pays more and the pensions are great for coaches. So you can maintain a staff. You may lose, you know, McVeigh may lose an offensive guy once in a while, but you can maintain a lot of your staff. And if you got a Bob Kraft, if you've got a Cronky or you've got solid ownership, Steve Buschetti, you're not going to have a lot of turnover. I mean, I could see Sark going and just saying, if you, you know, like Harbaugh left for Herbert, that was a smart move. I could see Sark going, if they blew out Sean McDermott, lose his first round of the playoffs, I would leave Texas for Buffalo and Josh Allen.
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Joel Klatt
Right. I mean, I understand, I understand that it's certainly maybe more attractive, more comfortable. To your point, it's not going to be a money issue. I will say there's. There's two things, and I understand I live in the college football space, but there's. There's two things specifically that are different at the college level that are not an option at the NFL level. Not an option. Number one is that you could impact these kids lives to a greater degree.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Joel Klatt
So you can influence these guys. And if that's something that drives you and you're passionate about, then college is the place for you. I think that you would agree with that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
The next thing is, is that in college you are the quarterback. Bill Belichick is revered and considered one of the great coaches in the history of the NFL. And yet when we think about the Patriots in their run, who do we bring up first?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Brady.
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Joel Klatt
Tom Brady. When you think of Nick Saban's run at Alabama, revered, greatest coach in the history of college football, who do you think of first when I say Alabama?
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Colin Cowherd
Saban.
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Joel Klatt
Nick Saban. You see, your legend status is not really available in the NFL. I think they view that as more career things. Even with Andy Reid. Andy Reid, when he finally retires. Yes. He's going to be in the hall of Fame. They might even put a statue of him up outside of Arrowhead. What are people going to going to say though? Well, he didn't win it without Patrick Mahomes.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Joel Klatt
You see, at college you can be a legend. If Ryan Day wins multiple championships at Ohio State for the rest of his life, and beyond into the ages. He will always go down with Woody Hayes as the only two guys that won multiple championships at Ohio State.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, think about this. Think about how many great players UCLA had. It's the John Wooden era.
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Joel Klatt
That's right. That's exactly right.
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Colin Cowherd
And Bill Walton and it like two of the two, maybe the two best college players ever. Look at Krzyzewski and Duke.
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Joel Klatt
I was just going to say coach K. Duke. And so it comes down to the two eyes, influence over kids and immortality. That those are two things that you don't get at the NFL level. Now they might leave, but it would be for comfort. It would be for Josh Allen. That's more comfortable, you know, that's more stable. I don't have to deal with all this stuff. But if you want influence and you want immortality, you stay in college.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, I think UConn basketball, I think Jim Calhoun and Hurley.
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Joel Klatt
There you go.
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Colin Cowherd
And they've had 60 NBA players maybe. Yeah. Good stuff. Clap. What a finish. Strong. I really appreciate that. I didn't like your quarterback take, but everything else was pretty good.
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Joel Klatt
I love it. I love it. Great to see you, my man. Have a good day.
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Commercial Announcer
All right.
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Colin Cowherd
Joel Klatz doing the Penn State, Ohio State game this weekend. No, that's a good point. You can affect people's lives and you're, you know, you're more the legend. I like it. Mark Slear with last hour. Broncos are rolling. World Series tonight. Blake Snell's going for the Dodgers. We are tied at 2. We got a real World Series. It's the Herd.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's start with George Pickens. Colin, really savvy move by Jerry Jones to bring on Pickens. Kind of a buy low from Pittsburgh, but guess what? It's. It's gone. Amazing. He hasn't been a locker room distraction, but Colin, hey, they gotta pay him if they want to keep him. And interestingly, as much as Jerry Jones has talked about this, team reports indicate that Dallas has yet to engage with Pickens's reps on an extension. Talk, I listen. You don't want to go overboard. It's obviously mid season. Pickens is cooking. I called the Cowboys, the Bengals of the nfc. That's starting to look true. Right. You get Burrow, T. Higgins and and Chase. And now you got Dak Pickens and Lamb. I don't know what Jerry does here. This is not an easy decision.
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Well, it's got a little Austin Reeves feel to it, is that Austin Reeves offers duplication on things you already have from people that do it better. Luke is better with the ball in his hands than Austin reaves. LeBron's better in the ball in his hands than Austin Reaves. Do I need a third guy? CD Lamb is better at separating than George Pickens. CD Lamb is better deep than George Pickens. Why do I need duplication? I would rather move it. And because he's going to have a big year with this offense in Dak. He's going to have a nice year. Can I get a third or a fourth round back form? He's been a good guy. He's been a good teammate. He's been wildly productive. I'm not saying you don't sign him. I'm saying I always think I want to pay. Here's the way I would look at it, J. Mac. I want to pay different skill sets in the NFL. I want to pay a quarterback who distributes the ball. I want to pay a left tackle who protects the insurance policy for the quarterback. I want to pay somebody big money who can catch the ball and run with it. I want to pay somebody who can attack the quarterback. I want to pay somebody who can cover the best weapon. I get really uncomfortable if I was a GM paying two people who do the same thing. Well.
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So the Rams went out and got Devonte Adams and we basically crowned them. Oh, my Gosh they're amazing. They have Devonte and Puka. I would say Pickens and Lamb have a slow down.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a fifth round pick.
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Fair.
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By the time they pay Puka, Devonte is gone. They're not paying two people.
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It's a fight financially. You're invested. You're too over indexed into wide receivers.
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What I'm saying is yes, because CD Lamb's A1, I can go. And they've got what they, what I would say is in this draft, I would draft another receiver. They need an edge rusher in a corner. Then I would draft a receiver or a tight end. You can get that for much less pay. So it's like the Lakers. They're over indexing on guys that can score with a ball in their hands. They're under indexing on rim protection and wing athleticism. So when you're, when you're talking about paying big money, I want a team that has everything. But when you're talking big money, the Chiefs do it right. Travis gets it, Mahomes gets it. They even let Joe Tooney go and then Chris Jones gets it.
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Colin Cowherd
So, and, and, and, and basically they would not pay Tyreek Hill because their take was we already got one guy that gives us 10 target to nine catches. That's Kelsey. And he blocks.
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Okay, so let me ask you. So a lot of the basic shows out there are gonna be like Jack's playing like an mvp. Well, I could argue Dak is the same guy he's always been. What has changed is he now has Pickens and Lamb and that is manipulating the defense. I mean, you could pick your poison here, Colin. If you're going to leave Pickens one on one on the outside, he's going to win 90% of those battles. He's huge. He's got great hands, great catch radius. And then you know what, are you going to leave Lamb open one on one? He's going to cook most of the DBs in this league. So I would say Dak looks like an MVP candidate because of the addition of Pickens. I don't think it's Schottenheimer. I think it's probably Pickens and Lamb. Would you agree?
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Well, I think the value to Pickens and it's a good argument, is that with him and Ceedee both on the field, you can't cheat.
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Yeah.
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On the run game. And that's why the run game is exploding for Dallas. I like Javante Williams, but the reality is when Ceedee is Out. You can cheat a little. When CD And Pickens are together, you can't cheat at all. I think these are healthy debates. I mean, the Bengals. I mean, the Bengals played Jamar Chase and the T. Higgins and A. Joe Burrow. And why is their defense so bad? Because they don't.
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Joel Klatt
They're.
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Colin Cowherd
They're. I. I just think you have to be very, very careful. I mean, either Rams moved off Cooper, they'll move off Devonte Adams. Not this year, maybe not next year, but the year after. So I. You have to be careful about paying the same position twice.
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So let's say. Jerry, watch this segment. Hey, guys, Guys.
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So.
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So what do we do with Pickens? I would say JNC consulting. Say, you know what, your offense is set if you pay Pickens. Colin, the offensive line's banged up, but everybody should return. Tight end, you're good. Running back, you're good. You could go draft five or six defensive players, and maybe you get three starters, and all of a sudden, I think the Cowboys, if they keep Pickens, can turn this around kind of quickly.
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Well, ask yourself this. When. When CD Lamb was out, Dak had 10 touchdowns and no interceptions. And that's CD Lamb.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So George Pickens. Do you think it's a surprise that he's much better with a better quarterback in Dak than he was in Pittsburgh? My take is George Pickens is not Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson, where he excels with anybody. He got frustrated in Pittsburgh. The reason Pickens is so good is Dak. The quarterback makes the receiver, the receiver doesn't make the quarterback. Go to Larry Fitzgerald's career, he was always really good, but when he had Carson Palmer, he has his Kurt Warner, he has his best quarterbacks. I bet if you go to Larry Fitzgerald's numbers, they were better.
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Yeah.
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Than the backups.
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So what if I. Yeah. What if I told you that Pickens was the Old Navy to Jamar Chase's J.
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We'll give you 80% of the quality at much cheaper cost. Because I think Pickens is probably like, a top 12 receiver in the league. Colin, he's not that far off.15. I mean.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
I like him. I. I'm not gonna enter T. Higgins. T. Higgins. I like T's temperament.
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Okay. All right, let's move on. Minnesota Vikings. Colin, they are starting J.J. mcCarthy this week. He's very, you know, injury prone. I guess he's played in two games in two seasons. Well, he's matching up with former Michigan teammate Aiden Hutchison and they go back a ways.
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JJ McCarthy
It'll be exciting. You know, we have a great relationship and I gotta. Probably gotta shoot him a text this week at some point letting him know and. No, I'm super excited. He's a great competitor, great player, and I'm looking forward to it. Now, you know, me and JJ will get our first matchup if. If you want to call it that. But no, it's. It's going to be. It's going to be fun. I'm sure we'll. We'll laugh a little bit out there and. Yeah, it'll be great.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I.
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Eight and a half. It feels like Lions are passed, right?
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Yeah. I mean, if the Lions won 30 to 17, I wouldn't be shocked. I. I feel the same way about Baltimore tomorrow. If you told me Baltimore just came in and whacked Miami, which I think they're going to do. I mean, I looked at the schedule this weekend. There were two underdogs I liked. One of them is the Commanders. It's another heavy favorite weekend and trading deadline. Some of these bad teams are going to be moving pieces. They're going to get worse.
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Let me ask this, Darius, Christian Daras, how they've been? Vikings offensive lines been so hurt. I mean, Wentz is dead. I mean, he's. He's done for the season. I just. I don't know if they can hold up against Hutchison because that Lions front. McNeil's back. They're pretty good. I think. I'm with you. I think I like the Lions. All right, final story. Let's pivot to the NBA. Colin, I told you about the Sixers. Well, Tyrese Maxey went off again last night. You were early on this guy. He put up 39 points at 10 assist against the hapless Wizards, Philly four and. Oh, Colin, keep an eye on the Sixers. We don't have to talk about Joel Emid. We could just talk about Maxi and Edgecomb.
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Oh, yeah. What's happened is they are now driven by their back court.
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Look at these scores.
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And Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxey have one thing in common. They are first step demons. Those guys. You don't even have to know NBA basketball. I've watched the Sixers twice. Watch Edge Comb and Tyrese Maxey. They beat everybody on the first step. They jump off the television. So the great thing for Daryl Morey is for years you've kind of felt a little captive with Joel Embiid's health. You like him, but it's like, is he healthy now the Sixers are a back court first franchise and both these guys are Rockets. They are great first step attackers.
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Look at this. Tyrese Maxey, it's only four games, leads the NBA in scoring at 37 in a game. Colin, this was, you know, one of the biggest things you could do come draft time was, hey, who was on Calipari didn't score a lot on the Kentucky teams and, and then popped in the NBA later. And you just have to find a guard. Tyrese Maxey was on those Kentucky teams and he was like Barry, he wasn't the superstar. He looks like a superstar. John Calipari held guys back in college. I remember you talked about it a lot.
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Well, no, in fairness to Caliperi of them.
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Come on.
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Well, no, but in fairness to Calipari, they're 18 years old and a lot of guy, I mean, SGA, the Clippers didn't even know SGA was going to be that good. Like everybody knew SGA could play. He went to Kentucky. And Calipari doesn't recruit steps, but some guys mature. I mean, I remember Kevin Knox at Kentucky. I'm like, that guy's gonna be great. He topped out early. SGA took years to develop. So I'm not gonna beat up on California. A lot of his guys were just. When guys go one and done, you don't get the best of them.
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Yeah, yeah, but I, if I. Tyrese Maxey went 21st in the draft. I, if I name some of these guards that went ahead of him, you would vomit in your mouth. I mean, the Sixers got a massive steal, don't they?
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Get McCain back next month.
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McCain's coming back. Paul George, you know, PG 13, I think podcast P, whatever we're calling him now. He's back, by the way. Podcast P, you have you listened to his podcast?
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Paul, how is it? How is it Good?
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I don't know.
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J. Mac with a new.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it is funny talking to Joel Clatt. All these colleges, how are we going to pay anybody with nil? We don't have any money here. Yeah, we're going to write a 60 million dollar check for James Franklin, 55 for Brian Kelly. They always have money. It's like political parties. They are constantly sending you stuff. Oh man, we need money. They always got money. Universities. Oh, where? It's a real cutbacks. Have you seen the endowments of Ivy League schools? They've always got cash. It's the herd.
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J. Mac is he's mad because Michael Jordan and now Charles Barkley both criticize modern players for not playing. Jordan and Barkley are not criticizing players for their style. They're, they're criticizing them because they're a little soft. The media doesn't hold them accountable. The NBA media wants access over clicks. They, they want access. And so Michael Jordan came out and basically said load management is nonsense. Now, it started with Greg Popovich. For the record, it did start with him. And I've said I'll always defend young 7 footers and old stars taking 10 games off. I'll always defend that. But if you're in like your SGA right now and he is, he's playing most of the international guys sga, he's playing all the games. So I think, I think load management drives me crazy. But if you took out like two guys, take out Kawhi Leonard, like just take Kawhi out, we wouldn't talk about it nearly as much. Like ANT plays, Tatum plays, SGA plays.
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All the guys in the 20s, they play all the time.
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That's what I'm saying. So load management is, you know, it's kind of gone. It's a little overwrought that people are going crazy. The big guys who get banged up, they're like, hey, my body's not built for it. I will defend those guys. And the old LeBron guys I'll defend. But I think, you know, we do. The media does this. The political media does it all the time. It's the end of times. Load management drives me nuts. But if you took just Kawhi out, it wouldn't feel quite as bad.
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Percent by the way, NFL media does not do this. You know, all they're doing is celebrating Daniel Jones and celebrating the Colts greatness and Baker Mayfield, teams that they don't usually pump up. I don't NBA media like Michael Jordan and NBC get in bed with the NBA. And now we're blasting load management. Of all the things to talk about in week two, Jordan takes his. Oh, let me take shots at the modern era. Like, that's. Well, I'll hold back before I say some curse words. It's just frustrating to see Jordan do that. Like, talk about all the good stuff happening.
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Well, we are in the media. As I've said before, the media talks about plane crashes, not plane landings. You don't send a reporter to an airport in Indianapolis and say 140 flights came in today, all landed perfectly. That's not news. Right. So there are things in the media to go say what a great bunch of players is not news. Michael Jordan saying, I think load management's nonsense makes news dumb. And Charles Barkley makes news. By the way, I. I never have a problem with ex athletes coming in. In fact, the opposite is usually true. Ex athletes pander to their buddies who play 100%. I like that Jordan and Barkley are willing to go. This part I don't like. That's very rare, even in the NFL, which has got a lot of great analysts. You know, somebody that used to work at Fox, now at the other place, he's pretty hard on NFL players, and he's viewed as the one analyst that's really, really hard on players.
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I don't know who that is. But, hey, if you. If we want to pivot from NBA. Can I just touch on something Klatt said real quick? So he said that the LSU job is definitely better than Penn State. Colin, I just. I'm going to put this out there. If you look at the current rankings, there's eight SEC teams in the top 20. Go look at the LSU schedule the next couple years. It's, like, so difficult to win. I know there's so many good players in that region. I know there's a lot of money. I'm just telling you, if you want to coach college football and win, you would take the Penn State job over lsu. There's so many good players in Pennsylvania, and you're not losing them to Pitt. You're not going to Temple. You're getting them at Penn State. I think there's a great opportunity there. If I were. If you offer me LSU and the money was similar, I'm taking Penn State in a heartbeat.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot of value. Like, for instance, if I. When I decided to move mostly from LA to Chicago and drove the decision. So, I mean, seriously. So a lot. A lot of it is, are my kids in school? It's not all money. If you're being. Let's say Penn State offers 10 million, LSU 12. So my thing is, where are my kids in school? How old are my kids? Are we empty nesters? Then I'll just go for the money. If we're not, where are my kids in school? Does my wife have a very strong social network that she doesn't want to leave? Because when you're. You're getting offered those big. I mean, you can win a lot of jobs at Pen. A lot of games at Penn State. I think LSU is the better job in terms of talent. I mean, Les Miles won a Natty, Saban won a Natty, Ed Orgeron won a Natty. That's three guys. So Penn State doesn't have that resume. But again, I think sometimes we do a bad job. We think it's all about the money. I always said Texas is a great job. Part of it is Austin, Texas, by college standards, it's a top seven or eight college town. Ann Arbor is a great college town. Athens, Georgia. I'd much rather live in Athens than Tuscaloosa. I think Athens is a great. Yeah, it's a great college town. I mean, University of Washington, you got to live in a big city. Eugene's a good college town. There's a lot of places that I don't even want to get a flat tire in that have college football programs. Right.
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And I admit, I've never been to Happy Valley. You've been. I haven't been there. I haven't been to Baton Rouge except when we went to the Super Bowl. So I don't know the college towns as well, but, yeah, I had Tim Brando on my podcast. Great announcer. I know you know him.
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Yeah.
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He does not think Lane Kiffin is going to be leaving Ole Miss. Apparently, Ole Miss has a lot of money. You know, they'll build a statue for Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss.
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My question's this. If you can make whatever Lane makes, 9 million at Ole Miss, and you can make 11, 5. But you have to start over at LSU with enormous pressure. I need your pressure. I would stay.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, Florida Gators, there's a lot of pressure at that job, too, because they feel like they're falling behind a little bit again. Some people want pressure. I like to joke. The Stephen Jackson line. I make love to pressure. But I'm taking the Penn State job over the LSU job. And I know there's a lot of fertile ground for athletes in the LSU area. But Colin, Penn State is not chopped liver. I'm telling you that schedule is winnable. You win nine games next year.
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The Nittany lion in free popcorn. The Oregon job, because of Phil Knight's become a great job. Unbelievable facilities. Now the state has no players in it, so you have to get on a plane to go get players. But you know, Mark Fuse proven that at Gonzaga. Now you got to get more football than basketball players. But you can win anywhere if you have the right system, the right assistance, the right capital. So I just think if I'm. If I'm winning 10 and getting into the playoffs Ole Miss, I'm staying. I'm probably. I'm probably staying. Hour three coming up. Hi, it's Colin.
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