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Colin Cowherd (3:20)

Here we go. Lively first hour. I told you things are breaking today. The Jalen Hurts story is crazy. Lakers 15 and 2 in March, a major league baseball umpire who's had a rough week. Ohtani is is unbelievable. I I'm telling you, I, I'll have Nick write on in a couple of minutes. The media may be hyperbolic, but Tiger woods ended up being when Tiger woods there was all this discussion about he's going to be unbelievable. I remember being a local sportscaster and people coming up to me when I would go out and you know, shank drives. Why do you guys talk about Tiger Woods? The dude won a US Open at Pebble beach by 15 strokes and he was like 21. I mean come on. Ohtani is better than I was told he was going to be. Tiger woods in his prime was better than the media guaranteed he would be. Wemby is 22 years old. He's better than I thought he would be. So when anybody says, oh, you guys are hyping stuff up. Tiger better than you would have guessed. In his early 20s he would go to pebble beach and win a major over the world's best golfers by 15 strokes. Tiger for 10 years. There was a 10 year period where between the Sopranos and Tiger woods in majors. Sunday night was better than during that season than the NFL season. I mean it was you you just could. You had to be around a TV on Sundays. Tiger to major in the Sopranos. Okay, I just saw this record setting NCAA tournament viewership continues. Apparently Duke and Yukon. CBS Sports is saying this and TNT most watched tournament game duke Yukon since 1993. Yukon do peak with 19 million viewers. Oh, interesting. Despite no Cinderella, Team David versus Goliath is a fun story. Goliath versus Goliath in the good old days. Sold more tickets. I don't want glass slippers in March. I want Jordan brand sneakers. I want big brands. I want Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs. My first day 20 years ago. It was almost 20 years ago today. It was. I think it was April. I went on syndicated radio, from local radio to syndicated radio. And I remember my first show. I said, I said, you don't like underdogs. You say you do, but you like favorites. You go to watch Tom Cruise in the movie theater, not film noir. Right now people go to Vegas to watch U2 at the sphere, not the indie band. And. And this ratings indicates, once again, for

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Colin Cowherd (6:27)

Yep. On Wednesday. I usually do that Monday. Let's do it on a Wednesday. Give me one more.

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Colin Cowherd (6:35)

Thank you. Stop telling me you love Cinderella. You. You don't. It's cute. Hopefully you guys are coming around to my side because when James Madison made the college football playoffs finally, everybody was like, what the hell are we doing with this? Give me a break. I mean, you got SEC teams and Big ten teams and you got big brands. The Avengers, Tom Cruise, Ohtani and the Dodgers, Michigan, the fighting Illini, UConn, Arizona. It's going to be, I think it'll be the highest rated final four, I mean, in a decade. And a lot of it's nil. With that, let's bring out first things first. Nick Wright, the Knickster Boy, has he exploded in. He is so popular now.

Nick Wright (7:30)

Where did that come from?

Colin Cowherd (7:31)

Well, you just. I see everywhere it's poker. Oh, yeah. It's your politics.

Nick Wright (7:34)

A lot of poker.

Colin Cowherd (7:36)

Yeah.

Nick Wright (7:36)

Oh, the podcast got great bosses there. You know, it's a collective effort. Good to see you, my friend.

Colin Cowherd (7:43)

Great to see you. Okay. I threw this by the show this morning, by the staff. Yeah, we know Andy Reid is part of Mahomes success. Probably the best coach, I would argue once the rules change, the offense Belichick dropped, Reed flourished. And he's arguably the second best coach I've ever seen to Bill Walsh. I mean, honestly so. And we know coaching matters in football. You can see a guy go to a college program. Mike Frable goes to the Patriots super bowl, like, right. Yeah. I watched J.J. redick. He was a podcast host a year and a half ago. He walks into the Lakers, same roster. You know, he gets. Gets JJ Right first year, little bumpy. This year they're setting records, their efficiency through the roof. They're the best clutch team in the league. LeBron's getting older. Austin Reeves suddenly didn't become Aunt Edwards. Luke is good. He's always been good. Is basketball coaching at the pro level? There's no recruiting here. It's not college. And I'm saying this as a compliment to how darn good he is, but do we overvalue? How come Steve Kerr isn't winning anymore? How come Spoelstra is not winning titles? They don't have the guys that Reddick's proving that it's a players league, it always has been. And coaching's overrated in the NBA.

Nick Wright (8:56)

Well, listen, I think that it is certainly not what coaching is in the NFL. That is obviously true. I do think it's more meaningful though than coaching or managing in Major League Baseball. And I do think that there are certain coaches can. There are. It's more often that a coach's weaknesses kneecap a team than his strengths elevated team in the NBA in my opinion.

Colin Cowherd (9:22)

Good point.

Nick Wright (9:23)

With the rare exception of like the all time great coaches, this is going to sound ridiculous, but are all time great for a reason. They are uniquely gifted at certain things. Phil Jackson was just a great connector of people and dealing with these giant personalities and finding a way to meet people on their level. I think Pat Riley as a coach and then as a front office guy always kind of had a tactical vision and an understanding of the sport that separated him from. From others. Popovich was good seemingly at everything. I think JJ is, I think he is very, very sharp. As for on the little stuff, the out of time out plays, I think he took his medicine on the mistake he made in the playoffs on not subbing for a whole half and has tried to be a little less rigid. I so I don't know that JJ is yet a great coach, but I do think he has the kind of the bones of a potentially good coach. As long as his own personality foibles that we've known about since he was at Duke don't get in his own way. But the biggest reason I'm glad we're starting here, that the Lakers look awesome is that old number 77 that when he comes up on this show he's either, you know, a poor man's Carmelo Anthony or just the modern James Harden or I'm sure there's some, you know, I don't know if you've broken out even, you know, the Alex English comp. That guy scored a bunch, didn't play a lot of defense and you loved him as a Kid, I know he was your favorite player. And all Luke has done is win player of the month in January. And now folks are like, oh, he just started playing good. No, he didn't. He was 45 a game, though, in October. Granted, just three games the first month of the season. Player of the month in January had a rough February, and in March, he has lit the league ablaze every single night. And what I my frustration with some of the Luca commentary and then some of the MVP talk, which I know we'll get into, is folks are, I think, pretending like, oh, yeah, we thought the lakers would win 54 games and be the 3 seed. Nobody did. They've smashed their over already. They have the same number of wins as Boston. They might manage with the third best record in the entire NBA. Austin and Braun have missed 47 games this year. It's because of Luka. He is that transcendently great of an offensive player. And I know it can irk some folks because he does yell at the officials a lot, but he is a once in a lifetime offensive force of nature. Colin.

Colin Cowherd (12:13)

Yeah, I wouldn't deny that. So I said before, or maybe the top of the hour, I said, everybody talked about Tiger woods. And then in his prime, he was better. He was literally better. He was winning US Opens by 50 strokes. It's insane. And I think LeBron, frankly, is better than people said. I mean, nobody thought. I mean, give me a break. If I'd have said all time leading scorer, you'd be like, well, he's better passer. I mean, he can score. I mean, high school, 28 a game. I'm watching Wemby, okay? Forget the defense where he literally has like 45 more blocks than anybody and alters every possession when he is hitting his three and it's inconsistent. Nick, I said this yesterday. When LeBron came into the league, LeBron did things that even Michael couldn't because of his physical stature.

Nick Wright (13:05)

Sure.

Colin Cowherd (13:06)

But there are some things Michaels does better than LeBron. There are multiple things that Wemby does, LeBron couldn't do, and I never thought I would. Defensively, LeBron can't physically, genetically, he can't do it. And offensively, if he, If Wemby is cutting to the basket, if you don't throw bodies at that, well, it's over. The possession is over. I don't know how you don't get.

Nick Wright (13:30)

Now we've gone too far again. Now we've. Now, listen, certainly defensively, Wimby is en route to being the greatest defensive player, if not ever Certainly since Bill Russell like that would be. And he already the best defensive player I have ever seen in my lifetime is Akeem Olajuwon. The second best is Tim Duncan. And you could argue that Wimby right now is already better than both of them. Okay, so like that part, that, that part is undeniable. But Wimby's. Here is my. And again, I think Wimby right now is third in the MVP race. I think the spurs might be able to win the title. I think he is a great player. And they have. They also have overachieved in an insane way. Nobody thought they would flirt with 60 wins that they'd be the 2 seed. But you are. Now what you just told me is when the already can do things offensively, that peak LeBron James couldn't do. I don't know what a single one of those things is. This year Wimby is averaging a whole three more points. Three than LeBron in year 23, LeBron in third. You know, the Swiss army knife third option. LeBron's 21A game. Wimby, who I think you're already comparing to Tiger at Pebble, is at 24 a game like Wemby is not yet a better offensive player, just offensive player than Devin Booker. Much less a better offensive player than prime LeBron James.

Colin Cowherd (15:08)

Let's be fair. LeBron was playing 46 minutes. Wemby's minutes are minuscule. So per minute his numbers are insane, but they are smartly protecting him because 74 is a body type that's hard to keep healthy.

Nick Wright (15:23)

So I'm so glad you brought up the minutes because Wimby this year is 100th in the NBA in minutes. Yes, he has played 500 fewer minutes than the guy I was talking about earlier, Luca, which is the equivalent of at 30 minutes a game, 16 games fewer than Luca. So that, that that gap in Wemby's defensive impact versus Luka compared to Lucas offensive impact versus Wimby, when you add Lucas played the equivalent of 16 additional games, that gap must be just a the size of the Rock of Gibraltar. But set that aside. I am totally fine with the minute conversation being a part of why someone says the spurs are going to win the title. If they're this good with him playing 29 a game in the playoffs, when he plays 36, then how they're going to be dominant. I think the minutes conversation belongs there. If people want to say, this is why I think Wemby is going to be the greatest player of all time, because Think about when he plays 34, 35 minutes a game. I think that's fair. If people want to say, I believe Wimby could average 30 a night if he played heavier minutes, I think that's fair. I do not think it is fair or with any Preston at all to use his lack of minutes as an argument for him to be mvp. MVP is not a hypothetical award. It is not a projection award. And I think when you have the season Shay is having and the season Luke is having to say, yeah, but what if Wimby was playing as much as them? He's not. And one of the taxes of not playing as much typically is you don't get all of the awards now, maybe they'll win the title because of it. But I don't love the extra credit for not playing, which some people want to give to Wimby because everybody loves him. I mean, the pr, this French kid who's never won anything and comes here and says, we play ethical basketball. And they. I mean, it's unbelievable. Everybody's like, you know why the All Star game was fixed? Because of Wimby? Well, I don't know. I know the Americans beat him twice. I don't know. I just know that this guy Colin, can you imagine, just thought exercise, if next year, in year three, having won nothing but he had won a playoff game, If Caleb Williams is asked around week 13, hey, what do you think about you in the MVP race? And he goes right at Matt Stafford's throat and he's like, well, we dominated him when we played him. I think actually completion percentage is an overrated stat. And here's where escapability really matters. That's why I'm the mvp. You think the media would be like, man, love the gumption on that kid. And did you see the nail polish he had on when he said it?

Colin Cowherd (18:12)

No.

Nick Wright (18:13)

Wendy comes here and is like, here's why I'm the mvp. The Thunder, the defending champs, we dominated them. It's my award. And everyone's like, wow, refreshing. This is an odd media double standard with the 7 foot 6 French kid. That's all I'm saying. Go ahead.

Colin Cowherd (18:31)

That's funny. So it's. I got a couple of things Let. Let's do. Let's, let's, let's do this one. Let's do this one. So we all know that Cam Newton's career, because he took so many shots. Big Ben, similarly, they age very quickly. A Brady who avoid voided sacks, practice how to get sacked, lasts forever, right? McVeigh and Stafford, Stafford, McVeigh, McVeigh. You know, he finds fifth rounders that help Stafford. He's elevated his career. He's a better Ram than he was a lion. He was good with both, but he's great now. And I look at the Knicks and it's a really. Jmac brought this up. I love Jaylen Brunson. He's my favorite Nick ever. Ewing second. Carmelo, well, Bernard King, Ewing, yeah. But he's small. He gets attacked on the defensive end. He is completely high ball centric. He's aging fast. He doesn't feel this year as good as last year. And my take is this is why the Knicks have to go after Giannis. They'll both be on the same timeline for different reasons. Giannis, injuries is aging Brunson. Stylistically, we know this usage rate. You have to go back to Jordan, number one usage rate won a title. It wears guys down. And Brunson doesn't quite feel quite, quite as good as last year. He's not going to age, I don't think terribly well based on stylistically being attacked and having the ball. The Knicks have lost three straight. You can blame what you want. Let's talk, we'll do it. We got a couple minutes here. Why are they suddenly not good? And the Brunson idea that go get Giannis and the primary reason is your best current player's career is going in about three years to not look the same.

Nick Wright (20:17)

So I think that I don't want to be too harsh on the Knicks because I do think that they are. They have a puncher's chance to come out of the Eastern Conference, but the fact that I have relegated them to puncher's chance makes this season already close to a catastrophe. They were with obviously with Indiana punting on the season. Boston was we thought going to be in, you know, in flux for a year. They beat Detroit in the playoffs last year. We thought that this was the Knicks moment to at least make a finals, the first finals this century. And instead they feel to me like a third tier contender like that you would you have the top tier for me. I know some would argue, but is OKC kind of by itself, but then also San Antonio, Boston and I have the Lakers people. Some would have the Lakers in the next one. That's fine. And then the next group to me is Denver, Minnesota, Detroit. And then you get to, yeah, Cleveland, the Knicks. And that's, that's really, really disappointing for the Knicks. And not where Houston would be in that group, not where they're Supposed to be. Yeah. And listen, maybe Brunson's been an excellent playoff player. Maybe they can, you know, have an upset in round two and then upset Boston in round two and change the narrative entirely. Obviously, I agree with you. If they could get Giannis, I think Giannis, at least in the short term, makes every team, basically every team better. But they traded so many of their assets for Bridges that I think that's going to be a hard trade to execute. Can I throw a different. Yeah, can I throw a different option at you? Okay, what if you could just, you know, add a guy who's proven he can immediately become the best Swiss army knife in the league for very little money for a final year in the league in LeBron James?

Colin Cowherd (22:29)

Oh, I think. And be like, I think on this

Nick Wright (22:31)

team, you don't have to. And you don't it. Right. Brunson is playing the Luca role. LeBron can, like LeBron probably is better served with a slightly higher usage than he has now in la. Cause he's deferring not just to Luca, but to Austin. But he's proving I can fit anywhere. And if I am asked to do less on offense, I can help you more on defense. Be pretty good.

Colin Cowherd (22:56)

Yeah. Lakers could say, hey, can we have Bridges in that deal? We could use. We could use a wing to.

Nick Wright (23:01)

Well, I don't know if they'd have to trade it. The thing is this. LeBron's a free agent. LeBron can just leave. And we are. I know that it's all happy go lucky right now in la. And I think that they have I stat. I think that Celtics are my pick to win the title. I would go Celtics my first pick, Thunder my second pick. And then I think the Lakers are right there with San Antonio as far as chances with Denver lurking. But we are not far removed from Jeanie Buss telling anyone that will listen to, you know, how annoying it's been having to deal with this part of LeBron's career. So I don't know that he'll be back with the Lakers next year. And I think the Knicks are a pretty good fit.

Colin Cowherd (23:41)

All right, first things first, after our show, I gotta. I gotta touch on this. So I said in August, I had somebody who I trust that had a very good relationship with Howie Roseman and the Eagles. Tell me Jalen Hurts is not well liked, he's hard to coach, can be stubborn. And then in November, Derek Gunn, a reporter in Philadelphia, respected reporter, came out and said, yeah, he's patting the ball. He won't run the plays. Then today Jeremy Fowler, respected journalist, comes out and says, yeah, it's a problem and everybody in the building knows it. And, and, and Nick, because the Eagles go through so many different coordinators, you know how people protect their careers. If you want to find information, go find somebody that got fired, replaced. They talk. And the Eagles just run through coordinators and they're very aggressive with players and front office people. You and I have always been, I think, like Brock Purdy kind of doubters on this. I said earlier it feels very Russell Wilson Hurts gets the credit when they win, none of the blame when they lose. You know, Pete Carroll preferred the run game. Nick Sari, Nick Sirianni is like, let's throw less.

Nick Wright (24:53)

That's not.

Colin Cowherd (24:53)

Nobody's doing that with Mahomes. Your take on the story today that was unveiled about problems in Philly with Hertz.

Nick Wright (25:03)

So I think the Russell Wilson comp is the one I've leaned on for quite some time where neither was a first round pick. Both went to multiple colleges. Both. Nobody questioned their leadership or unique talents as a scrambler or as a rusher at the quarterback position. But there were questions about being able to pass every quadrant of the field. Also, the odd part of both of their best pass was the deep ball. There's a lot of similarities between the players. Yes, but including one a ton everywhere they went. One a ton. And they did have that it factor which I think matters played a lot of their best games in their biggest moments. That's particularly true obviously historically with Jalen. But I also think that one of the reasons A.J. brown in consecutive seasons could light that locker room on fire and remain popular amongst his teammates is because I think guys are like, well, somebody's got to say it. I'm glad AJ Will take the hit for us. I'm not saying AJ handled it the right way, but if, if everyone thought AJ Brown was as out of pocket as the media thought, he would not have had the support within the locker room that he did seem to have. And I think that the Eagles listen. Jalen Hurts played Patrick Mahomes in back to back Super Bowls and the first one played excellent, came up short and the second one played great and they trounced my Chiefs. He will always have that. You can never ask question, can you win with Jalen Hurts? They did win and they at one point won like 21 out of his 22 starts. That's all true. It's also true that you need a, in my opinion, you need a specific type of team to have peak success with Jalen, he had that. I don't know that they have it anymore. And if he doesn't evolve as a more mature, pure passer, I think that they could have similar struggles. And the Eagles move off coaches and quarterbacks and coordinators like you say, Howie Roseman. It's also Jeffrey Laurie. So I do think this is a critically important moment in Jalen's career. And whenever you read an article where it says we talked with 12 team sources right after the owner's meetings and then the coaches meetings with the coach team photo, it's like, man, there's a lot of noise in that building about it. Jalen having some culpability for what went wrong last year.

Colin Cowherd (27:46)

Nick Wright, long segment. We just, we just. You made a couple good points, so I kept you. You know, that's, you know what, that's

Nick Wright (27:54)

why I strive just 1% better every day. Colin, great to see you. My friend.

Colin Cowherd (27:58)

Nick Wright, first things first. And a heck of a podcast as well for a very reputable company. I will say that the other thing, and I think we all admit this now, Tua Kyler Murray, Jalen hurts Russell Wilson. Size matters at quarterback. You're looking at that video. When we show Jalen Hurts video, I mean, he looks a foot shorter. And I'm not mocking it. It's just, it's really hard to see over the middle of the field. And we went through this era where it's like, well, it doesn't matter. I like my quarterbacks. Like, I like my furniture. Big and hard to move. I like big guys. I like 6, 2 and a half, 6, 3 and a half, 2, 4. I like Fernando Mendoza. 6, 5, 2, 45. Big trunky can see over the line. That's what I like.

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Colin Cowherd (32:09)

Welcome back. Good stuff from Nick Wright today. Our guy, Lance Zerline, NFL draft analyst. He's money. Dad coached in the NFL. He'll be joining us last hour. Mark Cuban says he regrets selling the Mavs to the people he sold the Mavs to. I'm not sure if I buy that. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no.

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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (32:32)

All right, let's go back to the Lakers. Everybody loves talking about a team that went 152 in March. And by the way, I drill down, almost half those wins were against playoff teams. And Also, hey, besides Lucas 42 piece, how about LeBron passing Kareem Abdul Jabbar, my dad's favorite player in NBA history for most wins in the regular season and postseason combined. LeBron was kind of quiet last night. Couple thunderous dunks. 14, 5, and 6. Here are the most wins by player on the screen. Interesting. Two Lakers, followed by Tim Duncan, the Chief, Robert Parish, and then Carl the mailman Malone. LeBron just stacking records in NBA lore. Basically, he has all the important ones, which is why I have him as the goat.

Colin Cowherd (33:16)

Well, I mean, Bill Russell got 11 titles. That's the most.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (33:19)

I mean, yeah, when there was like nine teams in the league. Whoopty damn. Do you know what's the big deal? Here's LeBron James. Career accolades on the screen for you, big guy. Games played, wins, points, assists. All Stars. I don't know why. All Stars 2nd and assists all time.

Colin Cowherd (33:32)

He's got a very redeemable career. Absolutely redeemable career. He.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (33:38)

He's been a gold mine for this show, for. For Colin Cowherd and his brand.

Colin Cowherd (33:42)

I have been a LeBron fan. I'm a LeBron fan. I. I do think he fits eventually better elsewhere. Unless he takes a massive pay cut, then he's certainly welcome back.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (33:55)

Yeah. Hey, real quick to. To go back. You know, you talked about LeBron and the Lakers chances in the playoffs. You mentioned Minnesota as a scary team. So I spent the better part of an hour analyzing that series last year against Minnesota. So, yeah, the Lakers got smoked, but it was. It was different. LeBron was like the number two guy clearly last year. Yeah, Austin Reeves was three. And, oh, by the way, he was hurt. He had a major toe injury that almost required surgery, so his numbers were way down.

Colin Cowherd (34:20)

So he had a major toe injury that almost required surgery. That's why they lost the series.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (34:25)

No, no, he let me finish. So he was not as good as. As he was in the regular season. And obviously the Lakers top seven guys, Dorian, Finney, Smith, Gabe Vincent, they were being relied upon heavily. Now you got Marcus Smart. Who's a champion? Jake Laravia. I mean, you got. Why are you laughing? Deandre Ayton. Integral role players. I'm not worried about the Timberwolves. Lakers swept them in the regular season pretty handily. No Nikhil Alexander Walker from Minnesota. We know. Chris Finch is a friend of the show. One of my favorite guys.

Colin Cowherd (34:56)

Is Ant still playing? Is Randall still playing? Is Jaden McDaniel still playing?

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (35:00)

Glad you brought up Randall. He had singularly the greatest series in playoff history that he's ever had against the Lakers. He never shoots that well from three or from the field.

Colin Cowherd (35:10)

Why would he? Because they can't defend. They're spending so much time trying to stop Ant. So Randall was open. Randall's always been a more than capable scorer. Julius Randle has had a very nice career. Hadn't had a lot of great playoff series. But the reason he scored against the Lakers, they didn't have anybody that could shut down Ant. So they had to build their defensive game plans around stopping him. Julius Randle gets thrown out like he can't play. I mean, what Is his career average?

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (35:34)

18.

Colin Cowherd (35:35)

He's a. I mean, it's higher than that, isn't it?

Nick Wright (35:37)

Well, I mean, he's a really higher

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (35:39)

than that, but it's a shooting percentage where he just will take bad shots. Miss a lot of shots. Hey, by the way, Marcus Smart, go look at how he locked up, as the kids say. They put the seat belt on Anthony Edwards in the last meeting. He was like one of 14. You like the seat belt? I do that sometimes in league games. Oh, I've been.

Colin Cowherd (35:55)

You're a real pleasure. You putting the seatbelt on who? The other five, four guy. All right.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (36:00)

Oh, God, you love those digs. Hey, personally, I like the jabs. It's funny. All right, let's move on to George Pickens, who nobody could put a seatbelt on. That guy's unbelievable. He's pretty dominant. Also, he's probably not showing up for voluntary OTAs. Jerry Jones gave this incredible sound bite when asked about Pickens.

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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (36:53)

I mean, this is happening again?

Colin Cowherd (36:55)

Well, agents, you know, they. They Charge a fee.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (36:58)

Do you want to know who Pickens agent is?

Colin Cowherd (37:00)

Who?

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (37:01)

David Mulagueda.

Colin Cowherd (37:02)

Oh, yeah.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (37:03)

Same guy who got into it with Jerry over Micah Parsons. So clearly, he's making this personal. And, you know, in the political space now, everything is personal.

Colin Cowherd (37:12)

Who's.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (37:12)

Jerry Jones has a personal issue with this guy.

Colin Cowherd (37:16)

Okay, but who's got the power?

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (37:18)

Well, don't tell me it's Jerry Jones. Is it Jerry?

Colin Cowherd (37:21)

Yeah. I mean, George Pickens.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (37:23)

Really? What power does he have? Just because he's a billionaire, he doesn't want a damn thing. He has the longest championship playoff drought in the nfc. Longer than the Panthers, Saints.

Colin Cowherd (37:33)

He's got CD Lamb. He's got a number one. There's always a dozen wide receivers in college who can come and play every year. The agents don't have the leverage. I mean, so. And the really good players, like jsn, the gm, sign them. There's never a head. Larry Fitzgerald didn't have contract. Many contract disputes. You know, if you're. If you're a great. Aaron Donald. Yeah. Matt Stafford, you figure it out. You know, if it's owner and agent, I don't want to hear the agents got the power.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (38:04)

Sounds a lot like what Jerry was saying when they moved off Micah Parsons. Oh, yeah, we got the power. A lot of defensive end edge rushers out there. How'd that work out? Now they're. They're trying to get Max Crosby. For the record, Bruce Feldman. Did you see Bruce Feldman's mock draft just dropped? He had the Cowboys trading up to get David Bailey at 3. That's how desperate they are for a pass rusher.

Colin Cowherd (38:21)

First of all, that's a mock draft. Second of all, how did the packers do with Micah Parsons? Oh, seventh, and then they didn't last long.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (38:28)

They were great until he busted up his leg and he was out for the season. I mean, come on. Listen, I know we like Jerry Jones, and, you know, he's had a great run. He's a rich guy.

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J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (38:40)

He's just pushing all the wrong buttons. Now you're needling the agent of Pickens, who you already got into it with six months ago and lost Michael Parsons. A battle, by the way. He lost. I can't believe you're defending Jim. You and your billionaire ilk, you rich guys all hang out. What do they call coastal elites? Oil money. Final story is the New York Giants, your team of destiny for 2026. So John Harbaugh has been taking some heat because allegedly, you know, Joe Shane has no power now. He's The GM in name only. But at the league meetings, Harbaugh was talking about how happy he is with the partnership and they're working together and he's really saying all the right thing. Look, there they are. Colin, it's just one happy family. It's all peachy in New York.

Colin Cowherd (39:26)

I cannot wait. I'm telling you, the two teams in the draft I'm fascinated by are the Giants who I think should move down and the Dolphins, who I think should move up. I think the Giants draft is the Giants need a right tackle. There's seven in the first two rounds they can get they don't need. And I'm not sure if the Utah tackle Fano is worthy of their pick. He's closer to 10, 12, 13. I would love to see the Giants trade back five, six spots, get another third round pick, fourth round pick. And I would love to see the Dolphins go up and get, you know, Carnell Tate. They don't need a running back. It's about the only thing they don't need is a quarterback and a running back. But the, the Dolphins have four third round picks. Would I give up one to go get the, the best right tackle available? Absolutely. I'd like to see, I'd like to see the Dolphins use a third round pick, one of their four, move up just a couple of spots and go get that right tackle. If Jeremiah Love Caleb Downs like a real can't miss guy.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (40:33)

Well, there's talk that the Giants are interested in Caleb Downs because of what Harbaugh's success with that defense was with Kyle Hamilton from Hamilton and then, you know, the, the whole linebacker situation. Sonny Styles is being pegged there. But this Giant stuff is interesting. Colin, When I did my list of Jalen Hurts teams, I had yes. And then I had maybes. We'll see after the season. And the Giants are a maybe because I don't know what Jackson Dart's going to be. And if they're like a seven win team and they don't make the playoffs, I think they could go hunting for a quarterback now in the division stuff. But I mean, Jackson Dart, you think he's taking them to the promised land?

Colin Cowherd (41:11)

I think Jackson Dart can win the division next year. Yeah. You saw the story on Jalen Hurts, didn't you?

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (41:19)

Okay, so rank the quarterbacks in the NFC east while we're on it.

Colin Cowherd (41:25)

Jaden Daniels, Dak. By the end of the year, Jackson Dart, Jalen Hurt.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (41:31)

If you, if you had said dart ahead, I would literally walk off the set. Jalen Hurts was a Super Bowl MVP like 15 months ago.

Colin Cowherd (41:39)

Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in a Super Bowl.

J. Mac (Jason McIntyre) (41:41)

Yeah, that's like eight years ago. I'm talking 15 months ago. So Jalen Hurts is now behind Jackson Dart Cow Herd. Come on, bro. I thought you were having a great show with it. You were pitching a perfect perfect game earlier and now you're just hemorrhaging. They're warming up guys in the bullpen right now with that Jackson dart take.

Colin Cowherd (41:58)

Come on. J. Mac with the news.

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No. So first of all, this NBA draft you and I agree.

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Is going to be the best in forever. The team, the player that is really interesting. This Keaton Wagler is six six guard for Illinois. The Dallas Mavericks have the number six pick. He would be a perfect fit with Cooper Flag. He is. I mean I'm telling you. So I think the Dallas Mavericks future six, six combo guard and I mean like getting better, ascending fast from the best conference Big Ten. So I think Dallas's future is great. Cooper Flag could be the face of the league by, you know, two years, he and Wemby. And I think this Keaton Wagler would be an Unbelievable pick at six for the Mavericks. I'm very excited and I like Mark Cuban a lot. I've said this before. If he ran for president, I consider voting for him. I think he's really smart. I think the company started to cut pharmaceutical costs, is one of the great businesses in American history. He is in Wall Street. There's an understood reality that he made one of the 10 great moves of all time with Yahoo and Broadcastnet, his company. He's a very smart guy, much smarter than me. But I've been hearing this lately. You know, I regret selling the Mavericks to the people I sold it to. He made 12 and a half times the money he bought it for. Brilliant guy. I couldn't be happier. I think he's one of the good rich guys. He's one of the nice guys. But here he was in a pod. I don't know if I buy this. Here we go.

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Colin Cowherd (47:41)

Do you have any regret?

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I don't regret selling. I regret who I sold to. Yeah, I made a lot of mistakes in the process, and I'll leave it at that.

Colin Cowherd (47:50)

Okay.

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When I called the new owner and he started telling me stuff that wasn't true that he had been told as the reason why he approved it, and I'm like, that's not true. This is a mistake. But nothing I can do. You know, here's how you spin it. Positively as best you can.

Colin Cowherd (48:07)

So it was the Adelson family. Not a lot of secrets like Trump's second or third biggest supporter. Casinos like him, dislike him, whatever. I would have thought that would have made him keenly aware of who was buying it. And I also don't necessarily believe that when he sold all but 27% that he truly believed, hey, I'll still call the shots. That's just not the way the world works. Mark's really smart, I think. I mean, nobody else is supporting the claim that Mark is making, which is. I. I thought I could call more shots. He also hired Nico, who's been fired. I think what's happening is Mark is still getting heat for the LUCA shrapnel for the LUCA trade, and, you know, a little protection here. I. I do think one of the things I do believe, he said he didn't want his kids necessarily, you know, working for the Mavs. If things go wrong, you know, with all the social media, it's a vile space to be whatever I but I I I I don't know I like Mark a lot but I I listen if you can make 12 and a half times the money when you sell something you sell it and and I think he's a brilliant guy but I I mean am I wrong on that to be a little cynical? Just a little bit on the wow just caught me off guard with the Adelsons. They were pretty well known I mean right I I, I I and I understand the protection he is trying to build around family and himself and I mean that Luca Tray if the lake I think what's happening is every time the Lakers play well you get more heat if you're Mark Cuban because now the Lakers are the hottest team in the league and I'm sure on Dallas sports radio and Dallas newspapers and Dallas media it's been a really bad march to be somebody who sold the Mavericks and hired a GM who traded Luka. That's my take could be wrong. Just an opinion little bit of a cynic I know nobody likes a cynic. A crusty old cynic. I'm a little cynical on he didn't know more about the Adelson family. You know not for everybody. Service opens doors and at the American Military University it can open doors for the whole family. If you have a loved one who served in the military, you may qualify for reduced tuition. AMU offers flexible online programs designed to fit your schedule so you can keep moving forward wherever life takes you. Learn more@amu.apus.edu Military open doors to the future for you and your family with the help of American Military University.

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