THE HERD - Hour 2 - More on NFL free agency, Dianna Russini stops by The Herd

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2
March 10, 2026 | Guest: TJ Houshmandzadeh, Dianna Russini

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Herd dives deep into the chaos and drama of NFL free agency. With Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington filling in for Colin, joined by Tongan Tuohy on news updates and NFL vet TJ Houshmandzadeh as a special guest, the crew unpacks key signings, trades, and strategies shaping the rapidly evolving NFL landscape. They focus especially on the Giants, Steelers, Jets, and Chiefs, offering analysis laced with signature sarcasm, banter, and bold predictions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Free Agency: Latest Moves & Reactions

• Isaiah Likely to Giants
  • Tongan Tuohy breaks some news: Ravens TE Isaiah Likely to Giants on a 3-year deal.
  • LaVar and Jonas discuss his potential (“not super old, 25 years old”) and the Giants’ TE depth, especially alongside Theo Johnson.
  • “Creates necessary depth at the position…two tight ends that are dual threat tight ends.” – LaVar Arrington (06:37)
• Kenneth Walker to Chiefs
  • Noted as "the biggest free agent deal for a running back ever."
• Alec Pierce returns to Colts / Michael Pittman to Steelers
  • Pittman’s move to Pittsburgh is described as perhaps “the biggest one,” outside of Max Crosby’s situation.
  • LaVar spotlights Pittman’s youth and potential impact: “I would have never thought the Colts would just let him go... For Pittsburgh, it’s definitely a move in the direction of saying you have two nice targets you can throw to.” (09:00–10:25)

2. State of the Jets: Is There Hope?

• The team debates the Jets’ busy but questionable off-season.
  • Jonas eviscerates the Jets’ apparent lack of direction: “If you want to get better, go move to the CFL. What are we talking about?” (10:55)
  • LaVar argues for redemption and new beginnings under Aaron Glenn: “If you're a bad person, it doesn't mean you have to stay... All that you're guaranteed is change.” (10:59)
  • Jonas retorts with his signature cynicism: “The damage is done, pal. You’re the Jets. You’re awful.” (11:25–12:00)
• Why all the activity if ‘rebuild’ is the real goal? Is this preserving relevance, or just delaying the inevitable? Team seems split between “win now” and “prepare for 2027.”
• LaVar: “You’re bringing in good players so I can be competitive this year. Not trying to bridge gap until 27 or 28. I’m trying to win right now.” (15:43)

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3. Wide Receivers' Rise in Value

• With TJ Houshmandzadeh (from 30:33 onwards):
  • Jonas asks when the receiver position overtook the running back as a marquee role.
  • TJ: “It’s when the emphasis went to the quarterback, really. Receivers and quarterback, we go hand-in-hand… The quarterback needs a receiver, but the receiver also needs a quarterback.” (31:41)
  • TJ credits the tandem of elite QBs and WRs (e.g., Josh Allen/Stefon Diggs) with driving up WR contracts and leverage.

4. Chiefs: Dynasty Ended?

• TJ makes a bold call on Kansas City’s future:
  • “I say this with respect... Door shut, window closed. Because one, Mahomes is coming off a major injury—we don’t know how he’s going to react… they’re losing really good players on the defensive side. They don’t have that receiver who’s going to demand respect when you’re game-planning.” (36:43–37:00, further echoed at 50:02)
• Jonas and LaVar add that a Patriots-type decade-long dynasty is unlikely to repeat.
  • Jonas: “The window probably is closed for the Kansas City Chiefs... What the Patriots did, we’re never going to see again.” (50:41)

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5. Quarterback Moves & Rumors

• Malik Willis signs with Dolphins; Tua Tagovailoa released.
  • TJ: “For Malik Willis, I think the Miami move is perfect. It’s a perfect move.” (19:44, expanded at 33:08)
  • For Tua, TJ’s view: “If he wants to continue to play, let him play. That accuracy… is always going to be a place for that.”
• Lots of swirling rumors on the Jets’ QB: Justin Fields? Geno Smith? (19:09–19:21)
• Kyler Murray as an option for Minnesota’s WR corps (38:09):
  • TJ: “Kyler Murray makes sense because he can get out the pocket. He’s accurate. He has a good arm. But he’s just a different dude… he’ll have to change his ways, or he’ll be out the league soon.” (39:59)

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6. Bengals and Defensive Woes

• TJ, a former Bengal, is blunt about the team’s prospects:
  • “We better get some guys on defense that can stop somebody. Nobody should be that bad defensively, where you can’t stop somebody from just going up and down the field all game long.” (42:41)
  • Warns that if the Bengals don’t build around Joe Burrow in the next two years, “we may start to see a different Joe Burrow.”

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7. Other Notable Free Agency Moves

• Travis Kelce Returns to Chiefs (49:00)
  • Considered unsurprising but critical.
• Rashan Gary traded to Cowboys from Packers (52:05)
  • LaVar: “If I’m a Dallas fan, I’m offended… You all just give away your best pass rusher.” (52:18)
• Tyler Linderbaum (C) to Raiders – 3 years, $81M (53:07)
  • LaVar calls it “the biggest loss of the free agent period already.” (53:26; 54:59)
  • Jonas: “If you’re going to say anything positive about the Jets, you better handle the Raiders the same exact way.” (54:12)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• LaVar on the Jets: "If you’re a bad person... All that you’re guaranteed is change." (10:59)
• Jonas on the Jets: "You’re the Jets. You’re awful." (11:36)
• TJ on WR Value: "Quarterbacks and receivers go hand in hand... the key is how fast can you stop. Not many people talk about that because they don’t know the game." (31:41)
• TJ on Chiefs' Dynasty: "Door shut, window closed." (36:53, 50:02)
• LaVar on Raiders’ Linderbaum Signing: “Big old L. Big old fat, juicy, veiny L.” (54:59)
• TJ on Kyler Murray: "He’s just a different dude… he'll have to change his ways, personally and can be more of a leader... if he doesn't, he'll be out the league very soon.” (39:59)
• TJ on Bengals: “We better be better... Nobody should be that bad defensively, where you can't stop somebody from just going up and down the field all game long.” (42:41)

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Segment Timestamps (Content Only)

• [04:01] – Show proper begins, banter, free agency teases
• [05:11] – Legal tampering/free agency updates start (Isaiah Likely, Kenneth Walker, Pittman, etc)
• [10:25] – Jets segment begins
• [18:45] – Justin Fields/Geno Smith/Jets QB speculation
• [30:33] – TJ Houshmandzadeh joins (receiver talk, combine, Malik Willis, Chiefs, Bengals)
• [49:00] – Herdline News, reactions: Chiefs moves, Kelsey, Rashan Gary, Tyler Linderbaum

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Tone & Style

• Irreverent, candid, and often sarcastic—especially Jonas Knox on perennial NFL losers.
• LaVar Arrington brings a mix of analytical insight, personal anecdote, and measured optimism.
• TJ Houshmandzadeh is direct but fair, offering detailed player and trend analysis with the credibility of a former player and coach.
• Tongan Tuohy delivers quick-hit news and transactional updates.

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Summary Takeaway

Hour 2 of The Herd on March 10, 2026, provided a fast-paced, opinionated journey through NFL free agency, highlighting major deals, bold predictions, and entertainingly ruthless banter about league bottom-feeders and potential dynasties. Key themes: the value surge at wide receiver, the uncertain direction of teams like the Jets and Raiders, the fragile throne of the Chiefs, and frank insights from TJ Houshmandzadeh on what it really takes to win in the NFL’s modern era.

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For listeners and fans wanting a pulse on the league’s seismic offseason, this episode delivers sharp wit, strong opinions, and insider analysis—minus the commercials, only the essential football content.

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[LaVar Arrington]

Now let's get this party started.

[Jonas Knox]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. It's the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington hi, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You can hear Lavar and I alongside Brady Quinn weekday morning 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific on two pros and a cup of Joe. And I recommend it one pro and

[LaVar Arrington]

two cups,

[Jonas Knox]

But Sticks and I are going to be taking you all the way up until 3 o' clock Eastern Time, noon Pacific. You can listen live on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so. When lavar and I are together and there's no Brady Quinn, we do a little show called Black and Drac. For those wondering. I look like Dracula and lavar look

[LaVar Arrington]

like a black man.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, and it's radio.

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[Jonas Knox]

Imagination run wild.

[LaVar Arrington]

I don't know if that's an opinion or a fact. And it rhymes with the word black. Kind of sort of.

[Jonas Knox]

When we started the show, the legal tampering period started in the NFL. Okay, legal tampering period, where basically everybody's been fooling around on their halves and trying to pretend like there was no conversations going on. And so I'm coming back. There's been moves that have Been made. There's another one to report here and we've been getting it all today from the Tongan Tuohy himself, who's got the latest on the transaction wire and the breaking news from around the NFL. Breaking news from Fox Sports.

[Tongan Tuohy]

So this is an underrated one, guys. Tight end Isaiah Likely from the Ravens heading to the Giants on a three year deal. I like him a lot. I like him a lot. I think this is a bit, I think this is a really good signing

[Jonas Knox]

for New York, which is code for he helped me win a couple of games in fantasy one year. And you've never forgotten it. That's what that means. No, he's. Yeah. And so the, the Giants are going to add a piece and it felt like Baltimore was going to probably move on from him because I didn't. They give Mark Andrews a new deal last year, I think, and then they

[Tongan Tuohy]

just took on Max Crosby and.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Yeah. So like. Yeah, they got to cut, cut costs here.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

So that's, it's interesting because, you know, Isaiah likely is not, you know, he's not super old, 25 years old.

[Jonas Knox]

He'd be a sophomore in college now 25. Good pool.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's a really good pool. Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

But you know what? They, they have Theo Johnson already there in New York, who is a young budding superstar in my, my opinion at the position, not because he's a Penn Stater, but because I actually think he's really that good that, that it creates necessary depth at, at the position and could add a, a different, a different weapon in terms of what, you know, what you're able to do with the different packages. You know, you may run 12 personnel more often than what you, you would have without having a talent like likely being on your team and could also provide more blocking, possible blocking, better blocking. In terms of double threat. You got two tight ends that you can put out there that are dual threat tight ends. They can block and they can catch

[Jonas Knox]

the ball, run routes and also familiarity with John Harbaugh. There you go.

[LaVar Arrington]

There you go.

[Jonas Knox]

That would make, you know, that would make some sense and clearly he's, you know, he, he liked him in Baltimore because I think. And he kind of. Isaiah likely was one of those guys that flashed in the preseason, I think, to where there was like he looked really good and really talented, like he was going to be the next big thing. And you know, there just wasn't a lot of opportunities in Baltimore. And so now he gets a deep and he goes to the Giants.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Yeah, that's been One of a flurry of moves today already we've saw last hour we told you Kenneth Walker is headed to the Chiefs. Big free agent deal there. Actually biggest free agent deal for running back ever. Alec Pierce heading back to Indianapolis. Four years, 84 million guaranteed. And off of that, Michael Pittman traded to the Steelers. Lavar Steelers.

[LaVar Arrington]

To me, I feel like that's the outside of Max Crosby. That's the biggest one. Obviously McDuffie going, going out of, of Kansas City and, and, and making a move is, is a pretty tremendous move as well. But I gotta say the potential of what you could have with a healthy group of tight ends, as we just mentioned with the Giants, you know, if you get big big guy coming back off of his. What. What was it a broken ankle or broken arm? What was the big tight end from the Steelers?

[Jonas Knox]

Oh, Parnell Washington.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, sorry Washington. What do you break? He broke something, right?

[Jonas Knox]

He broke somebody, that's who he broke.

[LaVar Arrington]

Well, he went out injured too though.

[Jonas Knox]

That's a big dude.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, I think it was a broken.

[Jonas Knox]

But Darnell Washington. Yeah, Darnell Washington. Yeah.

[Tongan Tuohy]

What'd I say?

[LaVar Arrington]

No, you say Ezel.

[Jonas Knox]

By the way, you know, you said Pernell. You know too. He said Parnell, not Dave or something.

[LaVar Arrington]

I mean he said he's out like the guy from Friday you saw saw Smokey in the back backyard taking like what I did this morning anyway. And you got Friarmouth if he's coming back is you. You got a nice tight ends, tight ends room. But the receiving core was lacking. They needed one more guy that could open up things for the running game and open up things for DK Metcalf. I think this has the potential of being the biggest move so far. It is outside again, Max Crosby. I, I think Pittman Jr. He's, he's still a very young, young receiver. Nice talent. I would have never, never thought that the Colts would just let him go. But I guess they made an either or situation there and, and for Pittsburgh. Like you said Tui, I think it's definitely is a, a move in the direction of saying, you know, look at this Aaron. You know, you have two, two nice targets that you could throw to at the receiver's position. Maybe you give it one more go. Let's see if we could do it

[Tongan Tuohy]

with with and the Mike McCarthy angle. Their stars seem to be aligning for Aaron Return to Pittsburgh.

[Jonas Knox]

The jets have made some moves, right? I think Joseph ASAI was, was one of the moves they made. They also came down. There's been a couple of, of jets moves that have been made. Like, they've been actually somewhat active here, which would beg the question for me, why?

[LaVar Arrington]

Because they trying to get better. Okay, why are you gonna hate on the jets trying to improve?

[Jonas Knox]

Hey, if you want to get better, go move to the cfl. Okay, like, what are we talking about?

[LaVar Arrington]

It's like, if you're a bad person, like, somebody starts saying like. Like, for instance, myself, I'll try to create some better habits in my life, do things better. And all you do is. Is criticize me and give me a hard time for trying to be better. Like, if you're a bad person, it doesn't mean you have to stay being a bad person. Jonas, I don't understand. Like, you can't be committed to one thing, all. All that you're guaranteed. It's changed.

[Jonas Knox]

I got changed. I got news for you, Jeffrey Dahmer. Don't come up to me and tell me you put the cart back in the front of the store and you didn't leave it in the parking lot. The damage has been done, pal. Okay, Like, I don't want to hear.

[LaVar Arrington]

So you can never be redeemed. You can never redeem yourself.

[Jonas Knox]

I don't want to hear that you picked up a cup that somebody left next to the trash can and you put it in there so nobody else had to clean it. All right? The damage is you're the Jets. You're awful. Okay? We've seen it. We understand it. We know what's happened next year is going to look just like this year looked. What are we. Come on, man. Hey, hey.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's an opinion, Jonas.

[Jonas Knox]

Knox, I'm a changed man. I clean my. My dog took a crap out in front of the neighbor's house, but I cleaned it up. Okay, You've got three bodies in the basement. Okay, explain those and then tell me

[LaVar Arrington]

about all the good deeds you did. You got to start somewhere. You gotta start somewhere.

[Jonas Knox]

Nobody starts.

[LaVar Arrington]

Nobody starts at Z. You know, sometimes you. You gotta start at the beginning of the Alphabet, bro. Like. Like, let's work our way to the end. Yeah, you want. I mean, imagine if we put that type of evil on the Chicago Bears.

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[LaVar Arrington]

They could never be any good because they haven't been good for so long. The Chicago Bears.

[Jonas Knox]

The Hammond Bears. By the way, you have to get it correct here. Hammond, Indiana Bears.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Another big move, guys. Last hour, Lavar and I had some fun with this one. Malik Willis, first quarterback off the board, heading to Miami. Three year deal, 45 million guaranteed. LaVar thinks he's.

[LaVar Arrington]

Thinks I think there could be.

[Jonas Knox]

Demario Davis just signed with the jets too.

[LaVar Arrington]

How about it?

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Why?

[Jonas Knox]

What are we doing?

[LaVar Arrington]

Because it's a great market

[Jonas Knox]

if you're

[LaVar Arrington]

part of the tell. You look at what happened in, in Foxborough this year. You had all those free agents go to, to, to be with Mike Vrabel in, in New England. They signed and they made it all the way to the Super Bowl. These guys are looking at the opportunity Aaron Glenn for, for whatever reason or another that you want to disparage him. Aaron Glenn is a fine coach and even more of a fine human being. And, and people will want to play for Aaron Glenn.

[Jonas Knox]

He should get out too. I'm telling you.

[LaVar Arrington]

He should movie about it. Maybe they should change it to the jets edition. So like the Chapter 2 Get out facility.

[Jonas Knox]

It's almost like everybody like you kind of know what teams are doing, like, hey listen, we're okay if we're bad this year, you know, because we'll get the number one pick night. And it's like the jets can't quite figure it out. Anything. Just can't figure anything.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Isn't this kind of a move though to bring in like an older veteran just to kind of keep them afloat and you don't, you know, you talked about building like looking for that quarterback next year. I mean this is what the Texans did with Lovey Smith. They brought in a bunch of veterans knowing they were going to suck and then they, they were sort of building up for that next, like that next regime, right, with the Miko and what

[Jonas Knox]

did it get him? Yeah, they got last week win against the Colts

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[Tongan Tuohy]

Well, that was going to happen.

[Jonas Knox]

Davis Mills and his building neck came out there and won a game that they didn't need to win.

[Tongan Tuohy]

But they would have taken Bryce Young

[Jonas Knox]

and they got CJ Stroud and they Will Anderson.

[Tongan Tuohy]

So it worked out right. But, but I think that's what the jets are doing. They're looking, clearly looking at 20, 27 and that draft class and they're just going to kind of stay afloat this year. They're going to be. They don't want to, they don't want to stink so bad. They want to be relevant enough.

[LaVar Arrington]

If you'll be back so bad, you're, you're risking not being back as a coach. Guys do not get more than one season too much anymore to make a difference. A significant difference on the team that has become the new norm, and that's what's discussed is that these, these coaches are not getting three to four Years to build a team, build an environment, a culture, build things up new. You are in a win now league in an era of time where you have to do it. So to me, I don't, I, I think they're being aggressive because they're trying to win this year. Y' all could think that this is something that's, that's pushed far out from now if you want to. You're bringing in Minka, Fitzpatrick, you, you, you bring in the running.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah, that's the other one they traded

[LaVar Arrington]

for making and, and gave up a seven draft Brown draft pick for him. Listen, because they're trying to win. They're trying to win. If I'm looking at my division, if I'm looking at my division, the Buffalo Bills could be vulnerable. This could be a vulnerable team. And if I got to set my sights on the Patriots, the win against the Patriots, I ain't even worrying about the Dolphins. If I gotta worry about the Patriots and, and potentially like, okay, we gotta slay the dragon with, with the Bills and improve definitively one way or the another, another that maybe the Bills have hit their ceiling. I'm trying to add good players to my team and my roster this year so I can be competitive this year. Not, not trying to bridge gap or anything until we get to 27 or 28. I'm trying to win right now. That's what you're seeing. Take.

[Jonas Knox]

Listen, if you're a Jets fan or you're listening to this, you got to find something else to do, man. Like, like there's got to be something else to do. Like go apple picking in the fall. Like, like go, go spend your time at an orchard that doesn't have WI FI and just forget about whatever you were born into.

[LaVar Arrington]

Cold blooded, man.

[Jonas Knox]

Just telling you, man, like, why do

[LaVar Arrington]

you get, why are you so doom and gloom on them? Why you hate the jets so much?

[Jonas Knox]

I just, I, I don't understand what all of these moves that they're making. If this was, if the approach was, hey, we know this is a rebuild. We're gonna, you know, it's a long term plan, we get it. But it's all these half measures. Like, it's never just a tear down to the studs. Let's, let's focus on the future. We've got a plan. It's all these half measures and then all the stuff that happened with Robert Sala, like there's been decades of evidence, it doesn't work. And it's not an Aaron Glenn. This is nothing against Aaron Glenn. I Just don't know that anything's going to work there. Even, even. Look, even when you did have success, you had a quarterback that wore pantyhose and another coach that had a foot fetish. Okay. Even when you did have success. So I just look at it and I go, this is a Jets problem. And if you're a Jets fan, you were probably looking at it going into this year. Hey, we understand that there's a really good quarterback draft class that's happening. We don't have the number one pick this year. So let's just understand that we're going to have to take our licks and go forward. And I guarantee you jets fans are looking at this, all these moves that they're making going, why, why are we doing this when it's just going to probably cost us a better draft pick next year? We're going to be in the same situation. It's probably going to cost Aaron Glenn his job anyways and we're going to be looking at a quarterback and we won't end up with the best quarterback. And even if we do, who knows we'll be able to figure that out because we had Sam Darnold that didn't work and he just won a super. I just. It's just an underwhelming organization all the way through and I don't know how anybody would have any optimism that things are going to change. I mean, good for those guys getting paid and it is a good market. But I don't know, man.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Well, I mean, let's assume. Let's just say Justin Fields plays 17 games this year.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Tongan Tuohy]

How many games are they going to win?

[Jonas Knox]

Well, also, do we even know if he's quarterback?

[Tongan Tuohy]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If they do bring him back, how many games are they going to win?

[Jonas Knox]

And I've heard, I think you're looking

[LaVar Arrington]

for a long term solution at the quarterback's position. Justin Fields, in my estimation, will not be the starting quarterback for this team.

[Jonas Knox]

One of the rumors I heard was that Geno Smith might be an option

[LaVar Arrington]

of quarterback for the jets to go back.

[Jonas Knox]

I mean, if I was Geno Smith, I try out for the Winnipeg Jets, I'm not playing in New York again. Why would I want to go back to that?

[Tongan Tuohy]

I mean, he's under contract for this year, but. Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

[LaVar Arrington]

And Breeze Breeze hall will be gone too, right?

[Jonas Knox]

But he got tagged.

[LaVar Arrington]

Oh, they tagged him.

[Jonas Knox]

Okay.

[LaVar Arrington]

They did tag.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Tag.

[Jonas Knox]

You're it. He's looking around Going, damn it.

[LaVar Arrington]

They will find.

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[LaVar Arrington]

I don't know who they find. It would have been interesting if they were able to get a Malik Willis to potentially go. I mean, I think it's a horrible situation for me.

[Tongan Tuohy]

That would have been interesting.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, I think it would have been a horrible situation for Malik Willis because he would have been put in a situation where the expectation would have been far too high for what they would have potentially been able to accomplish. That's why I think the Miami move is perfect for Malik Willis. It's a perfect move.

[Tongan Tuohy]

All right, well, Halfley knows him from Green.

[LaVar Arrington]

Who do you bring into a New York jets situation to be the quarterback in that scenario after everything that has transpired? I think that's a very, very difficult position to be in if you're the New York jets, and I think it's a very difficult position to be in if you're the player that gets brought in to do it.

[Jonas Knox]

So you did the NFL draft coverage on Fox Sports Radio with Joe Douglas, who seems like a good dude.

[LaVar Arrington]

Super good.

[Jonas Knox]

D. One of the reports when he got let go from the jets, one of the reports that came out was that upon finding out he was out with the New York jets, and by the way, Joe Douglas did a very good job drafting like he drafted some really good players there. But upon finding out that he was let go by the jets, that he went, you know, to some seaside dock and he was drinking a beer and he was fishing off the edge of the dock. You know what that sounded like?

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[Jonas Knox]

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[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, peace.

[Jonas Knox]

That was like Morgan Freeman finding the box at the wall at a Shawshank. Like, I can get the hell out of here. Like Joe Douglas is looking for Dufresne polishing a boat. Like, where are you? I gotta get the hell outta here, please.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

It hasn't.

[LaVar Arrington]

It has not been the easiest environment to, to build in. And I'm just curious. Again, you bring in a high energy guy, former player, he relates to the guys. I know people like to make jokes when he does his, his sideline antics and his celebrations and then ends up losing the game. But he's got moves. Let me tell you something. Aaron Glenn is a player's coach. People believe and subscribe to what Aaron Glenn brings to the table. And let's see it through. I mean, that's what this is all about, seeing things through. People would have said the same exact thing about the, the, the Detroit Lions. When Dan Campbell and those guys went. Took over the Detroit Lions, they couldn't figure it out and they had the best receiver and the best quarterback in one of them in, in the game. And they couldn't figure out how to get to that next level with, with, with Matthew Stafford, and Megatron couldn't do it. You bring in this guy, and then when they dropped lower than that, you bring in Dan Campbell. And Dan Campbell is the same type of coach that Aaron Glenn is. That's why Dan Campbell brought Aaron Glenn in with him as his D coordinator, is because they have, they have very, very similar ideologies and how they approach being coaches. So to me, you got to give it a chance. There has to be a chance that's given to Aaron Glenn. And I'm not saying that to you as media. I'm saying to Woody Johnson and the people that make decisions in the building. You got to give these people a fair opportunity to build up what they need to build in order to have an opportunity to win.

[Jonas Knox]

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[Jonas Knox]

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[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

I love you guys show. It's one of my favorites.

[Jonas Knox]

A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugots Co. Live. So listen to Stugots Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe rate and review Stugots Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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day, Integration at night when segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

[LaVar Arrington]

We didn't worry about what went on outside.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

It was like stepping in another world.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

You saw the kkk. Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniforms.

[LaVar Arrington]

The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[Narrator/Announcer]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast podcast.

[Jonas Knox]

It's the Herd on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up in about 20 minutes from now we'll have another edition of the Herdline news here on Fox Sports Radio. We are going to tell you about more good news for some teams in the NFL as we get to that here again 20 minutes from now. By the way, be sure to check out our brand new YouTube channel for the show. Just search 2 Pros FSR on YouTube. Again, that's 2 Pros FSR. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there. Hit the thumbs up icon and comment away. Let us know who on the show you agree with, who you think is wrong. But Check out our new channel on YouTube. Again, just search two pros FSR and Subscribe. And with that, we welcome in the man himself. Or wait, we are efforting the great TJ Hushmanzada, who's going to be joining us here coming up momentarily.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's exciting.

[Jonas Knox]

Love, tj.

[LaVar Arrington]

Get some opinions from him. He was on site at, at the combine this year as well. Does a lot of development and training with the incoming receivers. Quite a bit out here in California. So it'd be nice to get some words from him, hear what he has to say about some of these topics.

[Jonas Knox]

That position is taking over, man. Receivers get paid. If you were a dad and your kid really wanted to play running back, wouldn't you just be like, hey buddy, learn how to catch.

[LaVar Arrington]

Learn how to catch if you're playing running back. Absolutely. Other positions, like I think my guys at the right position, defensive end and edge rushers, edges are, are, are in pretty, pretty big demand right now as well. So. Yeah.

[Jonas Knox]

And now we welcome in the pro bowler himself, TJ Hushman's out of you hear him Saturdays with LaVar Arrington and Plexigo Burris on up on game here on Fox Sports Radio. Tj how you doing, man?

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Man, I'm good. How y' all doing?

[LaVar Arrington]

Good, good. Good to hear your voice. Good to talk to you during the

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

day, you know, how's the weather?

[LaVar Arrington]

How's it going? Sounds like crazy. Sounds like it's good.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

I'm, I'm pulling up to the training. Couple clouds in the sky, but it's about 75 degrees, man, it gets no better.

[LaVar Arrington]

75 does look like a good day.

[Jonas Knox]

TJ we were talking about this before you came on that the receiver position has completely taken over now to where back in the day, next to quarterback, running back was really the guy and that was, you know, so many teams based their offenses around the running back. And now you're seeing receivers. Michael Pittman Jr. Just got traded to Pittsburgh, but they gave him a new deal upon his arrival. Alec Pierce just got, you know, 114 million or whatever it is. Where do you think the switch started to happen where the receiver position became one of the most important positions and highly paid positions on the field.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

It's when the emphasis went to the quarterback, really. Receivers and quarterback, you know, we hand in hand, we like feeding socks, you know, shoes and feet, however you want. They go hand in hand. Where if you have a good quarterback and you don't have a good receiver, your quarterback is going to have hard times to really reach ultimate Success. You look at Josh Allen before he had Stefan Diggs, it was like, ah, he's very talented. He got Stefan Diggs. It's like why he's MVP candidate. Although he won MVP without Diggs, Diggs elevated his game. Since Diggs has left, everybody's saying Josh Allen needs what a top flight receiver. And so we, it just goes hand in hand. The quarterback needs a receiver, but, but the receiver also needs a quarterback. I'm happy for all these dudes, man. Amount of money that they're making is life changing. It's generational type of money and just hope everybody can stay healthy and manage their money the correct way.

[LaVar Arrington]

TJ we saw that Malik Willis just got picked up by the Miami Dolphins and Tua was released for as large a dead cap hit as he represented. They released him seemingly to have made way to, to bring in Malik Willis. I'm not so certain that that's what it's going to be, him being the starter, but give me some perspective on that. Do you like the move like and what's next for Tua? You know, in your estimation, there's always

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

going to be a spot for Tua when you're as accurate as he is. The, I mean the big worry with two is when he gets hit, is he getting up, how is he going to react? And that's all. I think that's just going to always be in the back of everyone's mind because of, of the incidents that he's been through and they're alarming. But if he wants to continue to play, let him play. But that accuracy, that, that throwing with anticipation and timing is always going to be a place for that. Again, it's just going to be a health for Malik Willis. I, I actually thought he would end up with the Carolina, with the Arizona Cardinals because of the connection of the LA Flores. I just felt like, oh, I'm g. Let my little brother know. You got to get him. Do everything in your power to get him. The fact that he didn't end up with the Arizona Cardinals kind of concerns me. But happily was his defensive coordinator in Green Bay. He saw him every day in practice, understands his work ethic and what he is and what he isn't. And so this will be an interesting pairing, I'm assuming. Throw the ball 20 to 25 times a game, they gonna be run heavy. Defensive coach, you got a quarterback that hasn't had a lot of starts, hasn't had a lot of pass attempt, you got to be smart with them.

[Jonas Knox]

TJ Husmanda joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling here on the Herd. Let me ask you about keeping it with the wide receivers. I know obviously you were at the combine. Who's the best wide receiver coming out and why is. Does he stand above the rest in this draft class?

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Wow, wow, wow. You know, so you know, I mean, lavar knows this. Like I'm biased when you, when you ask me these questions, but I'mma be slightly biased and unbiased at the same time. I'm gonna give you a sleeper. And people are talking about him because of what he did at the combine. And he looked really good. He ran faster than many thought is Jacoby Lane. And I'm biased because I've been training him. So I know he knows what to do, what not to do. At least he will know what to do, what not to do, when to do it, how to do it, why to do it type of thing. But Carnell Tate is the best receiver. When you, when you look at his production, you look at his route running, you look at his body control. Yeah, he ran in the four or fives, but that's fast enough with as long as you can separate. People always talk about how fast you can go, but the key is how fast can you stop. Not many people talk about that because they don't know the game. I'm giving free game up now. People gonna start talking about it, keep them up. It's the art of deceleration, not the art of acceleration. And the sooner these people understand that, they'll understand why receiver is good and why one isn't. But I like Carnell Tate, but Jacoby Lane at 6 5, just over £200, with his route running ability, his quickness, he's going to be a pleasant surprise for many

[LaVar Arrington]

Kansas City. We had the conversation on, on Saturday and I asked the question, do you feel as though the window could be closing on this Kansas City Chiefs team? And I'm just curious for this audience to be able to hear your, your opinion on, on that, that matter in particular. They, you know, they, they just brought in Kenneth Walker as, as a new running back. I think it improves their, their run game, but I, I don't know how high the expectations should be with the uncertainty around the health of Patrick Mahomes or even where this, this Kansas City defense currently stands.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

I say this with respect because of what the Chiefs have accomplished, what and who Andy Reid is as a coach and a play caller. Door shut, window closed.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Wow.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Because one Mahomes is coming off a major injury. We don't know how he's going to react to that. We don't even know when Mahomes is coming back. They're losing really good players on the defensive side of the ball. Young defensive players. Not old, Young. And Trent McDuffie and Jalen Watson just signed with the Rams. They don't have that receiver that we just spoke of earlier of who's going to change the game, who's going to demand respect when you're game planning to stop the Chiefs. And so I, I just look at it like it's really an uphill battle. But when you have Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, the statement that I said from the get get closed windows, shut up. That can always change because of those two guys. I just feel like it's going to be extremely hard. While the Chiefs are struggling with health and good players and retaining good players, these other teams are getting better. They're maturing. That division is going to be tough. And so I just feel like it's an uphill battle for the Kansas City Chiefs. They had their run. Can they do it again? Yeah, you can never count out Pat Mahomes and Andy Reid, but. But these other teams, you got to get them credit for what they're doing and what they're going to do. I believe it's curtains for the Chiefs.

[Jonas Knox]

TJ Usman's auto joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox and for calling here on the Herd, let me ask you from a receiver standpoint, if you're in the shoes of Justin Jefferson, you've seen what's gone on in Minnesota. The JJ McCarthy or LaVar calls him Nine. I call him JJ McCarthy. But from that experience and that experiment there and then you've seen what happened with Sam Darnold when he left. Kirk Cousins is out there. There's been some Kyler Murray conversations that are going on. If you were a receiver in Minnesota, what would your preference be at the quarterback position?

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Oh, man. Competition for sure. Somebody that's going to push J.J. mcCarthy to be better. Somebody that's gone force him to have to be on his P's and Q's every practice, physically and mentally. If you're Justin Jefferson, you just, you don't want to go through another season that you just went through. Especially when you look at what a lot of other teams have done, are doing and will continue to do. And just receivers in general. Like when you come into the league, how jets came into the league setting, I mean, going crazy and Then you have this type of year, it's hard to get used to that. And you see your peers just balling out of control. And so for. For him, if Kyler Murray is the answer, let's go. If it's J.J. mcCarthy, let's go. I just need guys to be better. And that part, that's frustrating, man, when you have the type of start to his career that he had and now it's like this. And so I, I expect competition to be brought in for JJ McCarthy. Cream always rises to the top. If he's what they thought he was when they drafted him, he gonna rise to the top.

[Jonas Knox]

Do you think Kyler Murray makes sense?

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Kyler Murray makes sense because he can get out the pocket. He's accurate. He has a good arm. Kyler Murray's only negative is he's a small guy. Kyler Murray, I don't know Kyler Murray, but I, I know people that have played with him. He's just a different dude, man. And so he's gonna have to change some of his ways personally and can be more of a leader, be more of a guy that people gravitate towards. Yeah, he's just gonna have to change a little bit of his. Especially when you, the quarterback, you. You must. It's a must. And if he doesn't do that, he'll be out the league very soon.

[Jonas Knox]

Tang.

[LaVar Arrington]

Let's keep it on court.

[Jonas Knox]

Sheesh.

[LaVar Arrington]

Let's keep it. Let's keep it on receivers. Let's go to your home where you're great in the. The Cincinnati Bengals Eagles. Jamar Chase had, by all accounts statistically had a great year, but it just didn't seem like it was a great year for. For this team. And it seemed like there was like some heartache and some hard, gut wrenching times. Some of the things we heard from Joe Burrow and not being happy and where they're at with things.

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[LaVar Arrington]

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[Jonas Knox]

What.

[LaVar Arrington]

What should be the approach? How should we be looking at this Bengals team this year?

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Man, we. We better be better. We, we. We better get some guys on defense that can stop somebody. Like have some pride like that. Just that boggles my mind that we are all professionals and we don't have pride in what we do day in, day out on a consistent basis. Like you. Nobody should be that bad defensively. Nobody, nobody. Nobody. If you have pride and you're a true professional, you. Nobody should be that bad defensively where you can't stop somebody from just going up and down the field all game long. Jamar had a good year, but when you're losing, nobody has a good year. And so that's how it works. Like, you know, I seen Joe at the super bowl talk to him frustrated, and I just hope we can put a team around him because there's only so much that somebody can take. I believe he gonna get a Bengals two more years and if things don't change, and I think we will start to see a different Joe Burrow because guys want greatness. They, they want to achieve greatness. They want to reach the pinnacle. And we may not reach it every year, but just give me an opportunity to read, a real opportunity. And so I'm hoping that we can draft some guys and get some guys in free agency defensively that can help accomplish that goal.

[Jonas Knox]

TJ Hushmanzada, you hear him Saturdays with LaVar Arrington and Plaxico Burris on up on game here on FOX Sports Radio. Pro Bowler wide receiver savant. And always appreciate a few minutes of your time here on the show.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

Man, y' all the best in the business, man. Y' all keep it up, man. Y' all should be doing more of this.

[Jonas Knox]

Please.

[LaVar Arrington]

You the man. Appreciate you.

[Jonas Knox]

Thanks, D.J.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

you all take care, fellas.

[Jonas Knox]

There he is, the great TJ Husman's auto here on FOX Sports Radio. It is the Herd here on FSR. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next year, we are going to have the very latest on a big day for one organization in the NFL. Not only did they add, but they reunited with somebody in the world of sports. Find out who it is right here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9:00am

[LaVar Arrington]

Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.

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day, integration at night when segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules.

[LaVar Arrington]

We didn't worry about what was going on outside.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

It was like stepping in another world.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

You saw the kkk.

[LaVar Arrington]

Yeah, they was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie, take him away from here. Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.

[Narrator/Announcer]

From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place, a story that was nearly lost to time until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jonas Knox]

It's the Herd on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin coming up. Top of the little over 15 minutes from now, we've got more from the legal tampering period in the NFL. We got moves. Teams trying to compete for playoffs next year, teams trying to make the impression that they actually care about winning next. All sorts of fun stuff. Quarterbacks, receivers, defensive guys. I've seen some kickers and punters go off the board. I think Nick Folk just got a deal as well too. So we will have more on the latest from the tampering period in the NFL coming up top of next hour. But right now it's time for the return of Tongan Tuohy.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

No, no, no.

[LaVar Arrington]

Turn on the news.

[Jonas Knox]

This is the herd line news. All right, Greg.

[Tongan Tuohy]

What a time to be alive right now, guys. We got NFL free agency. We got wbc. We got tourney week and college hoops. We got NBA. Like this is this, this is a great time of year. Let's start it off in Kansas City. We told you last hour, Kenneth Walker is going to the chief from Seattle. Three year deal. This is a massive, massive move for the Chiefs. But another move that happened today in Kansas City. Travis Kelly Kelsey is expected to return next season for the Chiefs. Looks like it's going to be a one year deal.

[LaVar Arrington]

Does that include Walker and wheelchair and come on automatic lift up the stairs.

[Jonas Knox]

You're saying Walker because of Kenneth.

[LaVar Arrington]

I was thinking like a Walker. You put your hands.

[Tongan Tuohy]

I don't think I could mentally prepare myself, myself to see Taylor Swift anywhere else in Kansas City.

[Jonas Knox]

Right.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Like I just couldn't do it. But here was TJ Hushman just a bit ago on the Chiefs outlook this season.

[TJ Houshmandzadeh]

I say this with respect because of what the Chiefs have accomplished, what and who Andy Reid is as a coach and a play caller. Door shut, window closed. Because one Mahomes is coming off a major injury. We don't know how he's going to react to that. We don't even know when Mahomes is coming back. They're losing really good players on the defensive side of the ball. Young defensive players. Not old. Young, Young. And Trent McDuffie and Jalen Watson just signed with the Rams. They don't have that receiver that we just spoke of earlier of who's going to change the game, who's going to demand respect when you're game planning to stop the Chief.

[Jonas Knox]

I mean, look, okay, it probably is closed. All right? If we're being honest, the window probably is close for the Kansas City Chiefs because. Because what the Patriots did, we're never going to see again to where the dynasty ended. They went 10 years before winning another super bowl and then they won three more. We're probably never ever going to see that again because 10 years from now, what's Patrick Mahlins going to be 40?

[LaVar Arrington]

What's Andy Reid doing 10 years from now?

[Jonas Knox]

What are you getting at? Damn. What?

[Tongan Tuohy]

I hope he's still coaching.

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[Jonas Knox]

10 years.

[Tongan Tuohy]

I hope he is.

[Jonas Knox]

I also not surprised that Kelsey's back. I know that they wanted to make a big to do of the fact that on Christmas night he was walking off the field and he was saying goodbye to everybody and all that, but I, I think that he probably could

[LaVar Arrington]

be coaching at 77. He.

[Jonas Knox]

He came out of this year and he wasn't beat up then. He still produced. He was their best receiver last year and I think that he wanted to end his time in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes and instead it was, you know, was it Chris Ola Duke and was the, was the quarterback on the field there. I just, I, it made sense to me. And the more that you heard him talk about the excitement, the Eric B. Enemy was back. He was excited to have Eric B. Enemy back. The more that he talked about it, the more that it felt like he was probably going to return.

[LaVar Arrington]

That's wonderful.

[Jonas Knox]

Yeah.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Well, I was going to tell you, I'll tell you real quick. We have another, we have, we do have another big signing. But I'll tell you real quick, under the radar this morning. This happened really early. Rashawn Gary, traded to the Cowboys from

[LaVar Arrington]

the Packers a slap in the face.

[Jonas Knox]

Damn.

[LaVar Arrington]

If I'm a Dallas fan, I'm offended. If I'm a, if I'm a Green Bay packers fan. It's just kind of. I don't know how you feel, but man, you all just give away your best pass rusher and then bring in the former pass best pass rusher of the team you sent your best pass rusher to.

[Jonas Knox]

So.

[LaVar Arrington]

Okay, yeah, we gave you our best pass rusher, but just a season remove. We came in 2 took what your best pass rusher was before we gave you our best pass a little while

[Jonas Knox]

they got it right.

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[LaVar Arrington]

That's something like real like messed up love triangle type stuff going on. Right. I don't want any parts of that.

[Fox Sports Radio Announcer]

Yeah.

[LaVar Arrington]

What are you doing, Joneses? What are you doing?

[Tongan Tuohy]

So this guys, this just came down. We got to give our old lineman some love. We can't forget about our old lineman now.

[LaVar Arrington]

You can't.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Ravens free agent center Tyler Linderbaum.

[LaVar Arrington]

No. Okay. No to the, the. No.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Raiders 3 years 81 million deal $81 Million deal. 60 million guaranteed. Makes him the highest paid interior offensive lineman in the NFL according to Adam Shepar.

[LaVar Arrington]

Biggest loss of the free agent period already. And I won't even suspect to think that it gets any closer than where we are now. Now this is the biggest loss period. The Ravens. You lost. You. You messed up on this one.

[Jonas Knox]

Look, I was surprised they didn't tag him.

[LaVar Arrington]

That is horrible.

[Jonas Knox]

We talked about it on Friday. There was reports that they had offered him 20 million a year and he had turned it down and they didn't tag him. And so this felt like this was probably where this was headed. And so now they're going to go back and try and figure out the center position. But, but if you're the Raiders, you just, you just added probably the best free agent on the market.

[LaVar Arrington]

You did.

[Jonas Knox]

And.

[LaVar Arrington]

But reference the Raiders the exact same way you reference the Jets. Do not, do not say anything positive. If you are going to say anything positive about the jets, you better handle the rate the Raiders the same exact way.

[Jonas Knox]

The good news for Tyler Linderbaum is the fact that it's, that it's only a three year deal. So he's only going to be stuck there at most three years he can get out and he's going to hit the market again at 28 years old because he's only 25. So he's going to, he's going to be able to hit the market there, you know, but it is good that, you know, if they're going to draft Fernando Mendoza.

[Tongan Tuohy]

Absolutely.

[Jonas Knox]

That, that, you know, you've got a center. Oh, that's right. They want to add a veteran because they want the veteran to play this next year and not the guy they're drafting number one over. Yeah, but that's a loss for Baltimore.

[LaVar Arrington]

Man, that's a tremendous L. That's the biggest L of the off season. That's a L. Big old L. Big old fat, juicy, veiny L. Bad, bad L. Yeah, I'm glad y' all happy. Raiders fans enjoy that. You still got a long way to

[Jonas Knox]

go, but he gives me Linder. Bob's gonna be sitting watching the Blue Man Group with a drink going, why'd I pick here? How did I do it? There are so many other places I could have gone it. I'm stuck here looking at this.

[LaVar Arrington]

Look at all the lights.

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