Colin Cowherd (3:03)

Thanks for listening to the Herd Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Wednesday. Joel Klatten, five minutes. It is live. It is the Herd. Thanks for stopping by today. J. Mac I was thinking about this. This morning is about a year ago, I think ago on this show I said, you know, if we all go into a draft and we're like, okay, which quarterback's going to make it and which quarterback isn't? And it's about a 50, 50 hit rate. So general managers, this is all they do. They spend all their time on it. There has to be something that you watch a college quarterback and you go, wow. Like Jaden Daniels mobility at LSU and Arizona State. You're like, wow. A Justin Herbert size and arm. He was a 4.2 biology major. Like brain size arm. Josh Allen was jumping over linebackers. Mahomes crazy arm talent. Stafford out of college, huge arm. There's gotta be something where you have a trait like Kyler Murray can get criticized. But Kyler Murray elusiveness was as good as I'd ever seen. It was Russ Wilson plus. And so when you look at certain quarterbacks, when Jalen Hurts came out, my take was, well, what's the wow trait? It's been my knock on Purdy. Purdy. It may be brain up. He is so good pre snap that like Sam Darnold said, I'd never been around a player like that. He's so quick on his feet so sometimes you can't see the trait. But I was thinking about Jalen hurt somebody that you were really into three years ago and I've been like love him as a kid. I don't know if I love him as a quarterback, but an NFL executive said something yesterday and he said his toughness and his just makeup, his personality are so underrated And I thought he does have two traits. He does have two wow traits. First of all, pound for pound, he's the strongest quarterback in league history. That's why when the greatest center in the last decade left, the tush push still works. It's not about Lane Johnson, it's not about the fullbacker, Saquon Barkley. It's about Jalen Hurts. Josh Allen can't do it. Herbert can't do it. Daniel Jones can't do it. Big strong guys can't do it. He can do it. Being five, eleven and a half and pound for pound, the strongest player probably at any position in the league, he has wow strength. The second thing is he is 27 going on 47. He's insanely mature. And I think that doesn't matter as much in sleepy markets like Tampa or Carolina, but in loud, noisy, talk radio driven Philadelphia, his maturity is an amazing trait. And so I, for, for years I was, I was like, what's the trait? And I was taught that by GMs. There's got to be some, even the guys that fail, like Anthony Richardson, you're like, that dude's got an arm that is a first round arm. Wow. Jordan Love. When I saw him, you're like, oh man, he moves and he throws. Those are two first round traits. I think his ability to stay focused in a loud town, Dom and Sirianni and receivers reading a book club over on the sidelines and talk radio. Jalen Hurts talking about his, his ability and his need to stay focused in this city. You got to come in with a sense of focus. You got to stay patient within yourself, stay patient within the team and your role and let things come to you. And I as a team, we showed up when we needed to the most and that's the most important thing in this league is finding ways to win. I mean, it's like there's a reason Paul McCartney is still touring. Like he was the mature Beetle. It's like at 24, he was going on 44 and I did. There was a sense of selflessness, IQ, mature beyond his age. And I feel that with Jalen Hurts. And I just don't think we think of that as a wow trait, but it is. Dax got some of that. And Joel Clatt will be calling Texas Tech at Utah this Saturday at noon Eastern on Fox. So I was thinking about this. I am, you know, for years and years, you and I supported Harbaugh and there was a lot of noise out there. He didn't know what he was doing. And it Was like, listen, he wanted San Diego, the Niners, Stanford. He's good. Okay, he's good. But it's hard in college football. He was pre nil. Most of building was pre transfer portal. So it takes time. He took over a bad roster. And I, I look at him now with the Chargers, and I made this argument an hour ago. If the, if the Pro Football hall of Fame was like the Basketball hall of Fame, where you counted college, you counted pro, you counted basketball, I could argue Jim Harbaugh is the best football coach the planet's ever had. He's five for five. Think about this, Joel. Five for five. And Jimmy Johnson's had successes. But when Jimmy leaves a place, it doesn't disintegrate. Cowboys won a Super Bowl, Canes won a Natty me, Miami Dolphins made the playoffs. Is that my argument is Harbaugh's strength is he's not just a great coach, he's the soul of your team. He's so. He's so authentic. In my. Take you all the years you dealt with him, what was your takeaway on Harbaugh? Because no coach pro in college has worked at this level. He went to five messes. He turned around all of them immediately. And he leaves and they're all awful the next day. Yeah. What is it with him?

Joel Klatt (8:56)

So that's a great. I mean, and a loaded question and a long answer. Because if I was being completely honest with you, I covered two different Jim Harbaughs almost completely. No, I'm serious, Colin. I'm serious. Pre Covid. So every time I dealt with him, whether it was, you know, Stanford or with the Niners when in draft process, and then pre Covid, Michigan, he was very standoffish and. And just like wouldn't let you close. It was almost like pulling teeth just to talk with him. He was rigid against you. He came with a rigidness in the conversation that wouldn't allow really any communication.

Colin Cowherd (9:44)

Yeah.

Joel Klatt (9:44)

And after the COVID year, they struggle. He comes back on. Remember that restructured deal at Michigan? And he comes back and in 2021, he came out and like, sat for a production meeting with us for 40 minutes. And I was like, what is happening right now? I couldn't believe it. Honest to God, this is exactly what was going on. And he was a totally different person. And he was open and he was authentic and he talked about things that he struggled with and things that he loved about his team. And it started to become very obvious to me that what Jim did post Covid wasn't about football. It was about people. And he became much more of a people person, even with all of his quirks. But what never left him was the foundational things that he believed in. From a football perspective, I think we're going to see the best version of Jim Harbaugh that we've ever seen. Now with the Chargers, I don't think there's any doubt that they're going to have success. I think that they're ultimately going to win a Super bowl because they've got the coach and the quarterback to do it. Maybe not this year, I'm not sure, but at some point with that combination, I think that they're going to win a Super Bowl. And one of the things I would just go a little bit deeper and I know, like, a little backstory on this. You know the interim coach at Michigan right now, Biff Pogi.

Colin Cowherd (11:06)

Yeah.

Joel Klatt (11:06)

Biff is. Is.

Colin Cowherd (11:08)

Is.

Joel Klatt (11:08)

I don't want to say a character, but he is a guy that, that rose through the ranks as a high school football coach in Baltimore. And if, if you've read it, I think that it's. It's great. And if you haven't, there is a book called A Season of Life, and it features Biff as a high school football coach. And he was a coach with an old Baltimore Colt named Joe Ehrman. And these two were great high school football coaches together. And yet they didn't really focus on football. They focused on people and loving on the players and telling the players that they loved them. Well, Biff's son ended up walking on at Michigan, and then Jim hired Biff to come on in 2021. And one of the things that they did is they would meet multiple times a day. And Jim would say, like, hey, this is how I'm feeling. Biff. I really love the way the kids practice. Like, I love that. And Biff would be like, tell them. Tell them authentically from your heart. And Biff and those meetings changed Jim Harbaugh into a. Into a player's coach with football foundation principles that would win. And so those kids loved him because he told them that he loved them.

Colin Cowherd (12:11)

Yeah.

Joel Klatt (12:11)

So it's a long answer to a very simple question. I dealt with two very different Jim Harbaughs. And the one that's coaching right now with the Chargers, I think will win a Super Bowl.

Colin Cowherd (12:22)

So, Jaden, my. The last year for, for usc, I had friends ask me, what do you think about USC this year? And I said, I really like the roster. I don't know about the quarterback. He just lets go of that ball and half the time I'm not sure he knows where it's going. If you doubt Lincoln Riley's coaching, you have not seen this kid play. He's like not just Harbaugh, he's a different player, throws the ball away, dirts it, tucks it in. Like I don't know what they did. But if your quarterback's as good as this kid is and their defensive line for the first time since Pete Carroll is big and deep, like they spent nil money on their D line, they got players. I, you think I'm crazy, but I, I, you take away that goofy touchdown the refs butchered last week, winning road games last year, like, I don't know, I, I look at this quarterback and I'm like, oh, that feels like a playoff team. Well, I mean feel like a playoff team.

Joel Klatt (13:19)

I felt like I was trying to talk to you into this last week and I feel like you've come around on, on kind of the blueprint that Lincoln Riley used to be successful at Oklahoma. And I feel like USC is following more of that blueprint this year. They've run it a lot better. Even though Jaden Myava, as you have said, has been terrific. I, I think it's one of the more underrated teams in the country personally right now. I think that their game this weekend against Michigan State is a perfect opportunity to, to beat what I think is a decent team. And then they're going to have a monster game against Illinois, which is going to be kind of a coming out party for my other and, and this entire program as a reemergence, as a power. They are good on defense. I don't know if how great they are, but offensively they're doing the right things again. They're running the football with effectiveness and power. My Alba has been one of the best quarterbacks in the country. In fact, on Wednesday's podcast I, I broke down and I said okay, this was my before the year top 10 quarterbacks. Well, this is the top 10 quarterbacks, how they've performed this season. He's on it. He's on it. He's been one of the 10 best quarterbacks in the country. Easily statistically and intangible. Intangible. So I'm a believer in usc. I don't know how far they're they're going to go this year, but I will tell you this, I wouldn't want to play them because they're a scary team right now. There's too much balance.

Colin Cowherd (14:39)

Yeah. The so Brian Kelly Pushed back on the media a little bit. And Brian's pushback is putting it lightly.

Joel Klatt (14:46)

Yeah, he had like a meltdown.

Colin Cowherd (14:48)

Yeah, he had a meltdown. And he had meltdowns for years at Notre Dame with his quarterbacks. And he's just one of those guys. Got a little bit of a Jim Mora. We know he can coach. He's very intense. He can be rough on quarterbacks. But I always thought Mora could coach. And I think Brian Kelly's a really good coach too. And here, let's, let's just play the tape. Do we have the Brian Kelly tape of kind of melting down this way? Here it is. You're micro. You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. LSU won the football game. Won the game. I don't know what you want from me. What do you want?

Joel Klatt (15:22)

You want us to win 70 to.

Colin Cowherd (15:23)

Nothing against Florida to keep you happy? There's a ridiculous questions and I'm getting tired of it. That football team just worked their tail.

Joel Klatt (15:33)

Off to get an SEC win.

Colin Cowherd (15:35)

And you want to know what's wrong? You know what?

J. Mac (15:38)

You.

Colin Cowherd (15:39)

You're spoiled. You're spoiled. That's not great. But you don't like that. No, I mean, so where are we?

Joel Klatt (15:48)

Oh, you're such a media member, Paul.

Colin Cowherd (15:51)

I'm not being precious. It's a little over the top. But these college coaches, they run their states, they run the university, they're the highest paid employee.

Joel Klatt (15:58)

But also. Hold on, timeout time. But remember who they represent. You see, I agree. If an NFL coach did that, I would feel very differently than I do about a college coach doing this. Because. And I told you this last week with Sark. Sark wasn't talking to the media when he defended Arch. He was talking to Arch. Brian is talking to his locker room. He's defending his group of guys. He's building culture through the media and the media don't even realize it. They're, they're, they're too narcissistic and they pump their own tires and think they're so important that they have to get the right answer from Brian Kelly. But Brian Kelly doesn't care what they want to hear. And to be honest, I will say this, I know people disagree with me on this. I also think it's a stupid question. Like, really, after that game, you get five interceptions, your defense is fixed. Like they, their defense was a problem last year and their defense has been excellent so far this year. And the first question is, what's wrong with your offense? This is the same type of questions Ryan Day gets at Ohio State. It's like, it's like a media that is so self entitled and I'll borrow a term from him, spoiled that. The answers don't. The answers aren't intended to make the media feel better or feel smarter. The answers are intended to build the locker room and protect the locker room. And that's what I appreciate about college coaches because they've got to be more aware than that. They don't have, you know, grown men in their locker room. They have young men in their locker room and so they're more aware of culture and in more times than not they'll be talking to their team through the media. I think that's what he did. And he runs a little hot. So he got that question. He's like, come on, man. Like really?

Colin Cowherd (17:36)

He does run a little. I like him, but he runs hot. So you know, Caleb's struggling in Chicago and you covered him a lot at sc. Yeah, and I, I had an NFL GM tell me this. I said, I don't care about the fingernails, I don't care about jumping in the crowd. I said the only time I saw him that bothered me, he played at Oregon State his first year and he got really pouty and moody on the sidelines and he kind of like went into his shell and I said, that's bad. I'm like, dude, welcome. You know, welcome to big time college football. You lose games and have really bad halves. But, but the GM told me, he said kind of moody, can be kind of aloof, a little odd. That's not, you know, quarterbacks tend to. There's a reason the Mannings all work right, Like Eli and Archie and Peyton. It's like it's business. First go in good teammate betterly. It's like, like. And I guess my take is you covered him a lot. Did you ever think it would look like this in the pros because it's rough?

Joel Klatt (18:40)

Well, let's, let's, let's break it down. I think multiple personalities can win Super Bowls at the quarterback position. That's been proven out. So it's not about the personality. And I would push back on you. I think you focus too much on the personality, then you do the foundational aspects of quarterback play. Here's what I mean. The issues that USC had offensively with Caleb in particular late, was that he would not play in the confines of the offense.

Colin Cowherd (19:09)

Exactly.

Joel Klatt (19:09)

And, and, and because of that, the offense never went to a place that it, that it could go. So let me put it to you in another analogy, if you're going to take math during the course of your, your high school or college, like there, there are prerequisites to get to the higher levels. You've got to pass Algebra 1 before you can go out to Algebra 2, and you got to go to geometry and do all that before you can ever get to calculus and, and so on and so forth. The, the issue with Caleb right now is that he struggles with algebra 1 and wants to play calculus all the time. And, and there's foundational things that he has to be a part of. He's got to play on time and the ball has to go to the right spot in the right timing more often than it does right now. He's constantly looking for plays that aren't there. He won't take things that are there right away, what the defense is trying to give him. You have to play on time and on target. And so for me, it's a floor issue. He's not doing the prerequisites, the floor of what he needs to do at quarterback. And he constantly wants to go up to the top of his talent. And you can't go there and impact the game unless you've done these things first. So it doesn't matter. Actually, the personality, you can be aloof, you can yell at guys, you can love on guys, you can wear your hat backwards, you can wear your hat forwards, you can be a partier, you can be a stay at home guy. But the prerequisite is, is that your floor has to pass the minimum bar of the offense's constraints in order for your offense to operate well. And he doesn't do that right now, by the way.

Colin Cowherd (20:40)

Finally, Belichick faces ucf. Nobody watched him after the opener because they just like literally nobody's watching the games after the first game. What's Belichick done? Ucf, I think, is undefeated. I think that's the team he plays next. Let me ask you, for those who stop paying attention after the debacle, has anything gotten better at Carolina for Belichick?

Joel Klatt (21:02)

Yes. Yes. The basics. They're blocking better, they're staying on blocks longer, they're getting off blocks quicker. On defense, they're aligned quicker, they're aligned more foundationally. They don't turn the football over. So they're not a good or great team yet. But they are clean. They're cleaner than what they played against TCU early. And to expect that team to play clean with 70 new players and a new coach probably was an unrealistic expectation from all of us looking at Bill Belichick and Unc, but every single week they get a little bit better with the things that they can control. There's an old adage in co in coaching is that the only thing you have 100% control over is your own effort level and details within the system and taking care of those details fall under effort level. And what I see is a team that is just cleaner from the effort and detail of the way that they're playing.

Colin Cowherd (21:57)

Okay, I'll ask you this question. So I, I. There's a line out there that therapists often use. Not that I've ever needed one, but.

Joel Klatt (22:03)

No, not that you've heard this one.

Colin Cowherd (22:05)

No, no, no. But it is your responsibility to heal the pain others inflict on you. So the bottom line is get over yourself and get over it. It's still your job. No matter how mean somebody is, how awful they are to you, it's still your responsibility to heal pain inflicted by others. So when quarterbacks are criticized, I'm for it because I think the best quarterbacks in this league all had turbulence. And Arch Manning's life is brawny. James, life. What, what, what nice road do I get to take to my school today? It's like those are great lives. I'm not jealous. I don't envy it. But I think Bronnie James should have stayed in college one more year. I think Arch Manning actually, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to him. It's real turbulence. Texas football receivers are hurt. On his third string running back, new O line. His mechanics are weird. I'm going to argue this is essential if you can make it on Sundays.

Joel Klatt (23:11)

Well, you don't develop in life without turbulence. I mean, I don't think it's even just specific to quarterback play. I think all of us at people need trials and tribulations in order to develop perseverance. I mean, that's a biblical truth that I believe in. Right. So it absolutely applies to ours. And what a quarterback has to have that's maybe bigger and more substantial than others is that they have to have a complete belief and self identity that that is rooted in things that don't get impacted from the outside. So you're not trying to prove anything to anyone because you're comfortable with who you are and you're not defined by anybody because you're comfortable with who you are. And that's a learned trait and that comes with maturity and certainly experience at a position like that. Arch's mechanics are not great right now. He's playing faster than the timing of the offense. That's an offense that is kind of an old school, not old school. They have, they have west coast offense tentacles. And in the west coast system, from a football perspective, they go by the equation timing plus plate spacing equals completions. Well, if you're not getting completions, one of those two variables is off the timing or the spacing. I watch the film and I think Arch is ahead of the spacing, therefore he's rushing. Therefore the ball tends to, I would say, nosedive and be low or away from wide receivers, he's over striding. As soon as he can unlock the timing piece of the way that he plays and marry it to the spacing of what they're trying to create on the outside, that's when the completions and the success will start to come.

Colin Cowherd (24:43)

Joel Clapp, Utah game this weekend. I'll take the Utes to beautiful stadium.

Joel Klatt (24:48)

Great, beautiful. Salt Lake is great. I can't wait to get out there. It's always a great environment.

Colin Cowherd (24:52)

Yep. See you, buddy.

Joel Klatt (24:53)

Appreciate you, bud. Have a good one.

Colin Cowherd (24:55)

Yeah, yeah. The Harbaugh stuff is. It really is fascinating that Joel saying, basically there were two Harbaughs, There was pre and post, and we've had Harbaughn twice, three times since he's been the Chargers coach. He'll just talk for 15 minutes. He'll stay on. I'm like 15 minutes into the interview, he's like, you got any more questions? Like, he's letting people into his life. I don't know, you know, is that his wife or whatever it is, whatever it is, I no idea. But Jim is much more, much more willing to give of himself. And, you know, when you do that, people give back. He's. He's more fun to be around. I asked Dean Spanos, the owner of the Chargers a year ago, I said, how is he in the building? He's like, unbelievable. He's just like, unbelievable. And that, that wasn't always the issue. I mean, he. Michigan was his alma mater. And you remember year two, three, four at Michigan, there was like, Jim's kind of intense. I don't know if this is going to work. And it's like, Chargers, Spanos family is like, he's unbelievable. Everybody loves him. He's like, he's like Boy Scout in there. Like just perfect attendance, rooting for everybody else. So, I mean, people, people change. They lighten up, they chill out. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's me, Rob Parker. Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for 22 minutes of piping hot baseball talk featuring the biggest names and newsmakers in the sport. Whether you believe in analytics or the eye test, we've got all the bases covered.

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You went to pen. I don't care. Do you have a skill that the company can use? Your resume is not going to help you. And do you have the kind of personality that you can work well with others? Because in our business, you have to work with a lot of people, sometimes temperamental podcasters. And so my takeaway is the super bowl has a lot of different quarterbacks. You can be tall, you can be short, you can run, you can be pocket. There's a lot of different styles, shapes, and sizes, but most of the personalities are the same. Obsessed, mature, intense leaders, comfortable with discomfort. Brady and Mahomes, they're very comfortable being uncomfortable. And so I. I do think the personalities, they do matter. Green Bay moved off Aaron Rodgers. They got tired of his personality. Cleveland moved off Baker, same reason. And. And that doesn't. I've said Baker's personality fits better in Tampa. Todd Bowles, high iq, high eq, totally chill. Hugh Jackson, Greg Williams, A lot. There's a lot. Doesn't mean they're bad guys, but there was a lot and a lot of ego. And it felt like sometimes, you know, there's an old saying, Spot it, you got it. Somebody with an ego is often offended very quickly by somebody else with an ego. Todd Bowles just, everything rolls off. He kind of leans into Baker. He loves him and lets Baker be Baker. So my point is, I think personality matters for that position in my life of having to hire people. Personality matters. Can you get along with others? I'm not a resume watcher. You know, I'm not. That doesn't. I don't. I don't care where you went to school. It doesn't. It doesn't mean anything to me. I sometimes like somebody who's had a harder path. So I do think with Arch Manning, it has been. It has been in the backseat of a nice car, getting driven to school until he was, like, 16 and had his license. Like, it's. It's a pretty comfortable life. Bronnie James, I got nothing against it. I don't resent it. But I think if you look at the history of quarterbacks in this league, transferred, beat up, hurt, bad coaching. It is a. It is a. There is something to be said about struggling in college, being doubted, being mocked, being hurt and overcoming it, that has incredible value. J. Mack with the news. No, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news.

J. Mac (33:40)

All right, Colin, let's start with the Packers. 2, 0 obviously, they are the best team in the league. They have jumped the Eagles as the NFC's best bet to win the Super bowl plus 650. I would not recommend buying that. There was better value two weeks ago. In limited action, Micah Parsons has left his mark. And Jordan Love talked about what he's seen from his new two mate teammate on the Rich Eisen Show.

Colin Cowherd (34:03)

Micah Parsons, he's by far one of the most competitive people I've met in my life. And just I think that competitive nature is what he brings. Like you said, he's. He's itching to be able to get off that snap count and go out there and play a full game. So he's itching to just go out there and be on the field as much as possible. But just being around him, I know what type of competitor he is. He wants to win everything he does. And I think that's just a little mindset that he's bringing to the team and obviously to that room. And it's just, like I said, it's the infectious energy. Yeah.

J. Mac (34:36)

You want me to make a case for the Browns here?

Colin Cowherd (34:38)

Yeah, please do.

J. Mac (34:40)

So both Green Bay games were at home, obviously against teams that, you know, you're very motivated to play against. Now you step down in class, go to Cleveland.

Colin Cowherd (34:48)

Yep. Right.

J. Mac (34:49)

You had some extra time off. The media herd hierarchy has the number one. You know, we're the bass. We're gassed up. You know, puffing your chest out and you let your guard down a little bit.

Colin Cowherd (34:58)

Bit. Yeah, that's. That's good.

J. Mac (35:00)

Remember, the offensive line had a couple injuries against Washington. I think two guys were out. Now you got to face Miles Garrett. Not the easiest task in the world. Jaden Reed is out for what, like seven weeks or so with the collarbone. So there are some issues easy to overlook. I think we'll see this line tick down just a little bit. I still think the packers win, but I don't think it's like a 34 nothing romp.

Colin Cowherd (35:21)

No, I think your point is when you face Jaden Daniels, when you open with Detroit, you're at home. Big TV games, standalone games, I mean, they came in hot. And by the way, Jordan Love, Matt LaFleur, the receiving corps, these guys have all been playing together. So Green Bay was sort of ahead. I mean, even though they're the youngest team, mostly Kraft had been there. This is his second year. So you have this young, cohesive team, offensive teams, clever coaching, catch, defensive teams or defenses off guard, hard. I think it's one of your. I Think it's a really smart play. Cleveland's the side to me. Absolutely.

J. Mac (35:58)

You want me to add something? I just looked at the schedule while you were talking.

Colin Cowherd (36:02)

Who's next?

J. Mac (36:02)

Want to take a guess? Vikings at Dallas.

Colin Cowherd (36:06)

Okay. Michael Parsons.

J. Mac (36:08)

You think he's maybe overlooking this game just a little bit? Getting extra motivated for the trip to Dallas next week? Colin, that. I mean, again, I'm not saying that the Browns are going to win. They're not better. But you know how the NFL works, right? Browns just got smoked.

Colin Cowherd (36:23)

What was it?

J. Mac (36:23)

4,000, 110 against the Ravens.

Colin Cowherd (36:25)

And by. If you go look at the box score that game, the Browns out gained them.

J. Mac (36:29)

They did, yeah.

Colin Cowherd (36:30)

Yeah. So it's like Cleveland's picking up yards. If Flacco is your quarterback, you will move the ball.

J. Mac (36:36)

Yeah. 100%. Next up, Miami Dolphins. Colin. Miami. Oh, my gosh, they are reeling. They are.02. Listen, we talked about it yesterday. This could be the final game for McDaniel playing Thursday. And then on Monday Night Football, Josh Allen has dominated Miami. Are you ready for this? 13 and two with a total of 45 touchdowns. And then Tua yesterday talked about this. I don't understand why he would say it, but here we go.

Colin Cowherd (37:03)

Dude, he's. He's top tier. You know, if it's not with his arm, it's with his legs. You know, that dude can do literally anything he wants. So definitely different skill set for me. I can't do half of what he does when it comes to running the ball. And in any of that. And then with how he can just chuck a ball down the field, you know, with how far and the arm strength that he has, you know, he's. He's supreme when it comes to that. So it's going to be fun. Yeah, I think he's completely honest and self aware. Like they're different players. Totally. Yeah. I mean, Tom Brady can't move like Mahomes or Lamar and has joked about it when he was playing for years. Like, Tua knows what he is. He's not. I have a bigger problem when quarterbacks have a greater sense of their athletic ability and think they can scramble. And it's like, okay, you can do that if you're Lamar, but you can't do that for 90% of the guys in the league. Tuan knows what he is. He also knows what he isn't. Hills.

J. Mac (38:02)

12 and a half is this, you know, put the mortgage on it kind of deal. Just.

Colin Cowherd (38:05)

Well, they come. Bills are heavily favored. They come off a blowout. When Miami is desperate, desperate teams actually play over their skis. Also, they know the personnel. They play them every year twice. I would say Miami feels like a better bet and the weather isn't brutal yet. So my, my take is Miami's probably the play.

J. Mac (38:24)

Yeah, I made the case for them last week against the Patriots that I like the Dolphins and for them to be unable to stop that offense was a little scary, giving up 33 points. They were outplayed on special teams. I don't know where they're good. Feels like the Last stand for Mr. McDaniel. Final story Colin is Sunday on Fox. We've got a clash of the undefeated teams. Rematch of the NFC Divisional Round. Rams Eagles in Philadelphia. Sean McVeigh is injured. I think you joked about this yesterday, but he was hurt during their victory. Yes, a coach injured.

Colin Cowherd (39:01)

I did tear my plantar fascia, so. Oh no. Yeah, well, that's a good thing because now I guess it allows you to heal a little bit faster. But you know, I was being dramatic limping around towards the end of the game. But you know, the, the MRI confirmed I did that. But good news is I'm not playing. So I'm just on the sidelines watching. He is such a good coach.

J. Mac (39:21)

Like that guy.

Colin Cowherd (39:22)

He is so good. From the opening press conference on, he is such a good coach.

J. Mac (39:26)

I got some troubling numbers on the Eagles, so I'll ask you.

Colin Cowherd (39:29)

I like, by the way, the Rams plus three and a half is my second favorite bet on the board this week.

J. Mac (39:33)

And if you wait too long, it's going to be gone.

Colin Cowherd (39:34)

It'll be three.

J. Mac (39:35)

But who has the better offense, Colin, going into this game, Rams or Eagles?

Colin Cowherd (39:41)

I believe offenses start, you know, with your offensive line so and, and by the way, when the Rams is healthy, it's good. But the Eagles O line kind of changes games now. Stafford throwing it, receiving core Devonte Adams now is a real thing. Puka Nakua, this Jordan Whittingham kid, the second year player out of Texas is like productive. Their running back room is good. The Rams have a lot of depth, but I don't think toe to toe offensive liner Saquon. Kyron's good, he's not Saquon.

J. Mac (40:16)

So The Eagles through two games have the fewest plays in the league of 15 yards or more. They only have five. That's it against Dallas and the Chiefs. Colin, they're, they don't look explosive. I mean you're trying to get A.J. brown traded here. By the way, Eagles fans are not happy with you for that I'm sure you're aware or don't care, but I just, I don't see the explosiveness. Saquon Barkley can't get loose. He's like three and a half yards of carry or whatever. I, I, I think I'm with you. I like the Rams here.

Colin Cowherd (40:48)

Yeah, I mean Puka's off to a great start. You know, the Devonte Adams acquisition, like, you know, people just kind of forgot about him. Yeah, I mean, three years ago we were saying he was the third or fourth best receiver in the league and he's not noticeably slower. So I mean the one thing about the Rams, they have drafted exceptionally well on defense. They've had a few misses on offense, but if you look at Puka fifth round and then Tyler Higby, the tight ends, a middle round guy and then Kyron Williams was a fourth or a fifth round guy and their left tackle is undrafted. And Stafford is one of the oldest quarterbacks in the league. They haven't drafted as well offensively. Jordan Winningham, wide receiver who is pop now six rounder out of Texas. McVay pulls more talent. Is there a team in the league? I mean Saquon was great, you know, A.J. brown, great. Devonte Smith. Those are Heisman winners and first round guys. You start looking at the Rams offense. Outside of Stafford, who again is older, there are a lot of mid round guys crushing. They have drafted high with defense and hit on him. A lot of it is McVeigh's magic. Offensively, there's a lot of fourth and fifth and sixth round guys doing great things with the Rams on offense.

J. Mac (42:09)

Remember how bad the Cowboys were picking on the Ram, the Eagles second cornerback? Remember they don't have a number two cornerback, so either Puka or Devonte is in line for a big game. And by the way, you're, you've been hyping up the Rams defense. That was spot on. This will be the toughest defense the Eagles have faced in a while. Okay. Probably since last year's playoff game.

Colin Cowherd (42:27)

No, it's, it's the real deal. Yeah. Between Green Bay's offense and the Rams defense, both are unbelievable. And you're not really paying anybody. I mean, Jordan Love makes good money. One of their guards does. And on the defensive side they, you know, they, they pay a safety a little money. But the Rams defense and the packers offense, it's just drafting. Well, they've just hit on seven or eight really, really good players. J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lies. Even Cooper cup was a third round pick. It's just every, they just, it's just working magic. McVeigh has worked his magic with 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round guys drafted on that offense. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. The best B2B marketing gets wasted on the Wrong people so when you want to reach the right professionals, use LinkedIn ads LinkedIn has grown to a network of over 1 billion professionals, and that's where it stands apart from other ad buys. You can target your buyers by job title, industry role, company seniority, skills, company revenue, all the professionals you need to reach in one place. Stop wasting budget on the wrong audience. Start targeting the right professionals only on LinkedIn ads. Spend $250 on your first campaign on LinkedIn ads and get a free $250 credit for the next one. Just go to LinkedIn.com cowherd that's LinkedIn.com cowherd terms and conditions apply. Running a business online with GoDaddy instantly build trust with your customers and boost your credibility with an email that matches your domain so people know you mean business. There's never been a better time. Just visit GoDaddy.com gd now and choose from a wide variety of popular domains to find the one that's right for you. Pair that with a professional email that works for all your business needs from daily communications to email marketing and everything in between. That's a little price for a lot of credibility. For a limited time, get a domain and matching professional email for just 99 cents a month for one year. Go to GoDaddy.com GD now and look legit with GoDaddy. That's GoDaddy.com GDnow there's never been a better time to choose the domain and email that's right for you. New customer purchases only products auto renew separately. See terms on site godaddy.com gdnow the Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota, with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. Every certified Toyota undergoes a thorough quality assurance inspection before it even reaches the lot so you can drive away with confidence. With over 7 million sold, there's a certified Toyota for every lifestyle from efficient commuters to family friendly SUVs. Each vehicle comes with added benefits like roadside assistance and features you expect, including Bluetooth connectivity activity. But hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd Toyota certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one, so don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today. Inventory may vary by dealer. Participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited. Warranties see tcuv warranty supplementtoyotacertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details. From date of Toyota Certified Used Vehicle Purchase Program available in continental US And Canada. See TCUV Warranty Supplement for details. A compatible Bluetooth enabled phone must be paired. Phone performances depend on software coverage and carrier. The Bluetooth word mark and logos are registered trademarks of Bluetooth. SIG Inc. Use of such marks by Toyota is Under license. See toyota.com for details. Hey folks, this message brought to you by the one and only official Whiskey of the Herd with Colin Coward, Green River Whiskey. Now here's a story that'll knock your socks off. Picture this. Founded way back in 1885, Green River Whiskey is OG Kentucky Cool, the 10th oldest distillery in the state. And get this, it was so valuable back in the day that 20 barrels of the good stuff were traded for shares in a gold mine. That's liquid gold. Literally. But like any great drama, tragedy struck in 1917 with a fire that almost wiped it off the map. Cue the hero music. It was rebuilt on the same hallowed grounds, let me tell you, better than ever. So whether you're sipping their single barrel bourbon or a smooth straight rye, know you're raising a glass to history. Folks, here's to Green River Whiskey, where rich flavor meets richer stories. Hop on over to greenriverwhisky.com, discover a legend in a bottle today. Cheers to that. A product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume, varies by product. Greenriverwhiskey.com, please drink responsibly tomorrow.

J. Mac (47:29)

It's a special baseball night in America on Fox as Aaron Judge and the Yankees look to stay on the hunt for an AL east crown against the Orioles, where the Cubs and Reds battle for positioning in the NL Wild card. Check local listings for the game in your area tomorrow, 6:30 Eastern on Fox.

Colin Cowherd (47:46)

Yeah, I was thinking about I saw this rating. Fox got a 34 million people watch the Chiefs and the Eagles. Baseball's done a great job making changes. They've all worked speeding up the game. 10% attendance increase, 10% ratings increase, created more events. But I was telling the staff this morning, baseball still needs to make one big move and eliminate 40 games, play 120 games. It's not going to take that long to figure out the Dodgers are better than the Twins. You don't need 160 games. You really don't. And then you'd start playoffs in, like, late August, because playoffs starting, you know, late September, early October. I mean, look at the crowds for football. There's so much momentum now. You forget baseball's being played. I watched SportsCenter in the morning. I get on the treadmill, I watch it, but it's like my mind immediately goes to football. Once you get like, to the second week of the NFL, it's hard to go back with other sports. And the NFL's done. Some of it's just circumstantial. It's like it feels like every other league is kind of fighting uphill by the 21st century. Viewing habits of Americans except the NFL and the World cup, where it's like their big events. Every NFL weekend feels like a big event. Every early window on red zone, I'm sitting there like, I can't wait, counting down. It's a big event Monday through Friday. Sports, hockey, baseball, basketball. There's too many games. They are increasingly international. You know, the NFL is domestic. It is flag waving. And the world really moved into a globalization period. Now it's moving back, pivoting to a nationalistic Nationalism is on the rise in Europe and in America and waving the flag. I'm sorry, it's back in. And. But these numbers are. I mean, baseball's fighting an uphill battle. If you're going to start the playoffs in late September or October, good luck. Because college football, when it gets into week four and you get into conference play, those Saturdays are big. Those numbers go up. I'm watching the college and the pro football numbers World series to start October 24th. You also have rain outs that can push it into November. Well, that's football season. So NBA's back at that point. So I think baseball's done a good job. But you're asking me if I can make a change. And they've made several. Lop off 40 games, 20 per owner. Like, start two weeks later, get out of the rain outs, and then end a month sooner. You got to get some momentum by Labor Day weekend because it's just really easy to forget about it. Okay, NFL Week 3. Here are the games. J. Mac, I think you and I, last week, we were aligned on a lot. Although I kicked myself not taking Arizona against the Panthers. And then the Panthers had a backdoor cover yeah, but I, but I do think I like the Rams, plus the points against Philadelphia, a team that's not throwing the ball down the field. I think Cleveland's actually the play against Green Bay not to win the game, but points. I. The game that I find fascinating is Dallas, who has looked way better than expected, and Chicago that hasn't. That game now is virtually a pickup. And Chicago's not ever been a great home field advantage. The weather is still good. That line is puzzling. I have a hard time talking myself into the Bears over the Cowboys both weekends. Both weekends I've watched the house. The Thursday night game. Excuse me. And last weekend the offense is humming. There are more weapons that I thought. George Pickens has been nice. Javon Tay Williams, the running back has found creases. They don't make a lot of mistakes. Their clock management's been better. I don't find a lot of things I don't like about Dallas. In fact, I said yesterday, Dallas is my surprise team in the league. They are significantly better than I thought. Can you sell me on the Bears?

J. Mac (51:46)

That's a tough one, man. I don't, I don't have a strong opinion who's winning that game. It feels like a toss. Up, up.

Colin Cowherd (51:51)

Right.

J. Mac (51:52)

I mean, the Bears have played two playoff teams from a year ago, right? Vikings and Lions. So like, they've, they've actually faced tough defenses. I don't, I, I don't know that the Cowboys defense is that good. I'm looking at your Seahawks. I know you're in the, in the Northwest. Seahawks, Saints. How does Spencer Rattler, remember he's had two games at home. How does he go on the road and do anything against a defense that bottled up Aaron Rodgers in that second half? Seattle outscored them 24. 3 in the second half.

Colin Cowherd (52:17)

Yeah.

J. Mac (52:18)

Why doesn't Seattle just pick their number and destroy the Saints here?

Colin Cowherd (52:21)

Well, I like Seattle. That's, that's a good.

J. Mac (52:23)

Does that feel like a layup or.

Colin Cowherd (52:26)

There are no layups, but I, But I would say you're on the right track, which is, I think Seattle's defense, I mean, bottled up Brock Purdy and last week, mostly bottled up Aaron Rodgers. I think at home, getting a little chilly in the Northwest, they'll bottle up Spencer Rapper. Hour three, the Toyota certified used vehicle sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota, with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars, so don't miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today, but hurry these great offers and November 3rd Toyota certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one. Inventory may vary by dealer, participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited. Warranties. See tcuv warranty supplementtoyotacertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details.

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J. Mac (55:09)

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