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THE HERD - Hour 2 - NBA chemistry can easily be ruined, college football rankings, Fernando Mendoza is ready, Joel Klatt
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Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Wednesday. It is midweek. Great finishes in college football last week. Joel Cloud about three minutes away. Got a feeling we're gonna get more this weekend. The I saw this. Golden State lost their sixth consecutive road game. They went to okc. I've always felt like in the NBA you've got to be because it's the smallest locker room. So one bad or one bad relationship can screw up. Remember the Jordan pool warrior thing couple years ago just screwed up the whole team. I mean they talked about it when he after he was traded to Washington. They're like, yeah, it screwed up the whole team. I always feel like Oklahoma City last year, all young, all aspirational. Unified. Denver three years ago. All their star players, none of them had a title. None of them had a Chip, Jokic, Murray, Gordon, Porter, unified Celtics. Tatum, Jaylen Brown, unified. I never feel like the warriors now are unified. Old guys work. KD worked. Iguodala worked. Jimmy Butler worked. Bogut worked. Every time they bring new guys in, there's a struggle because it's not unified. Steph. What, 37. Four titles. Draymond. 35 ish. Four titles. Then you have Pods and Kaminga. They're just trying to establish themselves. It's a totally different timeline psychologically, physically. It just doesn't make any sense. It's not a unified team. Steve Kerr is not a therapist. He's a coach. And so Draymond Green was. Was talking about agendas after last night's loss. I think everybody was committed to winning and doing that any way possible. You have to make those personal agenda work in the team confines. And if it doesn't work, then you kind of got to get rid of your agenda. Or. Or eventually the agenda is the cause of someone getting rid of you. Well, my argument would be, is Pods and Kaminga, do they have agendas or are they just ambitious? There's. There's a fine line between having an agenda and being super ambitious. And I. I just. I don't. I never feel like the young guys really ideally work with the old guys. With the warriors, it's. It's always been a much easier place to bring an old guy in. Iggy, K.D. butler. Butler worked the first game. He literally worked instantly. KD worked instantly. Iggy worked instantly. Young got Kaminga. I mean, what are we on now? Year four? I mean, pods is year what, two, three. Just doesn't feel like it's going to work. And with that, Joel Klatt joins us off a wild, wild weekend. Oh, so, you know, it's interesting. I was. If you're going to be the first or second player in a draft, they always say, just go pro. Okay. It doesn't matter. I remember Matt Leinert years ago, came back to college, he was a top 10 pick. And people said that if your top type 10, just. Just go pro, you can get hurt, you can lose your rhythm, you may lose a great left tackle or a coach. I'm watching Mendoza for Indiana play big, strong, huge arm, great in crisis. Hard for me to not look at him and go, that's a Sunday player. I don't. I mean, I. To me, I feel the same way about Dante Moore, but Mendoza has such a big arm that when you were calling the game and watching it, did it feel like an NFL quarterback to you? Yeah. I mean, listen there. It wasn't perfect. He struggled at moments during that game. Their protection Plan wasn't what wasn't great. And Penn State did a great job defensively. That was the best defensive game Penn State has played maybe the entire season. They shut down Indiana's run game. It made it difficult on him. But Mendoza made some big throws when he needed to and namely on that last drive, you know, that first play of that last drive, by the way, they were sacked. So they've got 87 yards to go. There's a minute 30 left and they have got no timeouts. And the guy goes right down the field, big throw after big throw after big throw. And every one of them was leveraged properly and inaccurately in places where only his guy could get it. Now, granted, they made some incredible catches. The Becker catch was wild. Cooper, I mean, Gus and I, we lose in our minds with that catch at the back of the end zone. But to your question, yes, Mendoza is a pro. There's no doubt about it. And for me it's, it's, it's not even necessarily about, about like, well, where is your stock this year? To me it's about, are you ready? Are you ready? Because what you see in the NFL, and I brought this up, and I bring this up constantly with you. If you look at the guys that win Super Bowls on average in the last, you know, two and a half decades, if you go to their college career, they've all started over 30 games while Mendoza started two years at Cal and now a year at Indiana. So he's highly experienced. I value that a lot more than even just these, these few games of tape that Ty Simpson has played at Alabama. Who doesn't have that body of work from, from a starts perspective. Now that doesn't mean that Mendoza is definitely going to be better than Ty Simpson. It means that those two decisions for Mendoza, whether he wants to come out or not or, and Ty Simpson are different because of their experience level and how much experience they have. I think that the NFL and the, and the guys that, and teams and organizations that are smart really value the guys that have a deep body of work. By the way, Dante Moore, ugly game in Iowa, made a huge throw up the right sideline. The College Football 12 team College Football bracket. Right now you'd have Oregon against Notre Dame. How do you view Dante Moore now? They, they were missing all. But like Simpson, like Simpson, he needs, he needs more time. Like if, if I'm Dante Moore or if I'm, if I was advising Dante more, hey, I would say go back to school now. What he did against Iowa was fantastic and Similar to Mendoza. It wasn't great all day. And then he gets into a two minute situation and he plays his best football. And by the way, he did that without a lot of receivers. I think you were about to say that before I interrupted you. I missed four of them. I think they missed four of them. All of his best wide receivers, the Tide end to Cory and Moore, all these guys. And yet he was still able to orchestrate the drive in a tough environment, tough conditions against a very good team and end up winning the game. Like, there's a lot I love about Dante Moore, but I do think he needs more time as a quarterback. But that's a team that's getting better. Their defense is getting better. They showed up to Iowa and they beat Iowa in an Iowa game. And that tells me a lot about the nature of their team, the physicality of their defense, their ability to run the football. They did a really great job in that game because Iowa was playing really well. It's a tough place to win. And to come up with that win showed me a lot. So I think this is interesting. So when, when the uscs and the Oregons and ucla, Washington joined the Big Ten, the big take was, oh, it's cold. Good luck. Well, I've seen USC beat Nebraska. I've seen Oregon beat Ohio State and Eugene and Penn State. I've seen Washington win at Maryland and I've seen these Pac 12 teams go out to LA and I watched Penn State lose to UCLA and USC Hammer Michigan. Do you think we can all take a deep breath now? Is that the whole west coast team can't compete in the snow? When I watch these games, I think Iowa's going to lose in LA this weekend. I think Minnesota is going to lose to Oregon this weekend. I don't. I always thought it was overstated. Do you, do you think that whole west coast team playing Midwest won't work? I think it's working fine for west coast teams. Well, it's west coast is different than south beach if you ask me. Like, hey, Miami, you know, like Miami is going to be in the cold. Whether it's the Dolphins or the Canes. I'm like, they don't handle that very well. You know, I, I don't think USC plays great on the road even though they got a win against Nebraska. Most college teams don't. Most college teams on. That's right. And I'm not, I'm not. I would disagree with you in this. I still believe that this game at its core is about matchups and for instance, Illinois was a bad matchup for usc. Why? Because they wanted to run the football right at that defense. And that's one of the areas of weakness for USC's defense. That's what that was a big issue when they played Notre Dame. Even Michigan, even though they were able to win the game, Michigan was able to run the football well. Well, they're, they're welcoming a team. Granted, it's, it's at home where they've played better. What do you think Iowa is going to do? You see, this is a bad matchup for usc. Iowa, the Iowa defense is, is specifically suited to take a team like USC and frustrate them because they won't be able to get chunk plays. They've got levels of defense. Tips and overthrows usually end up in the hands of the defender. That's how they turn the ball over, create short fields and then they're going to run the absolute crap out of the football and they're going to say, hey usc, can you stop it? And they're going to run and then run and then run and then run some more. And I've got serious doubts that USC can hold up in a game like that. Serious doubts. I think Iowa wins this one outright. They're six and a half point dogs. I think Iowa wins on the west coast because of matchup. Again, that specificity of where Iowa wants to play, where they're strong and where USC is weak. So I was thinking of this. I was looking at the college football bracket. Texas A and M can win the sec, not play Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Bama or Georgia. They play a lot of teams that just fired their coach. So I, so I, you're saying regular season, right? Like they would have to play one of those teams in the champ game or maybe even Texas if Texas was able to get into the championship. So to win the sec, they will have to beat someone very good that earned their way into that position. Okay. Last year we watched this playoff and we, we thought after we watched it, maybe Indiana shouldn't have been in. Oh, oh no. I mean that was a terrible. Give me this, give me, not going to. Give me this. I'm saying give me somebody right now. We got that from the atrocious commentary during the game and they started throwing that, I guess when I didn't hear that, when Ohio State was drilling Tennessee and that was even a bigger margin. So no, no, no, I, I, I, I, I don't know exactly where you were going that you got me all triggered on this. Indiana didn't deserve to be in last year. I will tell you this though. Schedules in general need to be rethought within conferences. So I will agree with your point that you're trying to make on the underlying thing. Like for instance, for instance, and for example, I believe that the better teams in the conference or the teams that finished high in the standings one year should have to play the tougher conference schedules the next year. Agree, in order to drive more parity, in order to drive more fairness. That's what the NFL does and that's what we should do within conference versus leaving it up to chance. I understand that you've got to retain some rivalries and there are games that are always going to be on the schedule and that's fine. Just like the NFL, we always play two division games, but there's those few matchups and they're just little tipping point matchups where you're going to play a first place schedule in the NFL. I think we should have our version in college football of a first place schedule where if you win the conference like Oregon did last year in the Big Ten, that you would have to then go and play a more difficult slate of games in the Big Ten the next year. And if you finish last, like whoever finished last this year, who did, I don't know who did, Northwestern or Rutgers or someone along those lines, you would get an easier draw and you wouldn't have to go and beat your head against the wall facing like Indiana and Ohio State and Michigan and Oregon all in one year. So your premise I think is correct. Yeah. You know, by the way, that usc, Notre Dame game, everybody shed tears when I suggested maybe it's not the greatest thing for usc if USC beats Iowa this week, it'd be a good game. I agree with you. I think it's. I like USC close, but it's a good game. If they did not play Notre Dame this year, USC didn't play them. They could go to Oregon. If they were competitive, they'd have a loss to Illinois and Oregon. They'd make the playoffs. That Notre Dame game. This is the problem with an at large playoff. This is the problem when it's not tied to a defined path or automatic births. You know, when we're in a beauty pageant, it's going to encourage teams like Notre Dame or USC or any team to not schedule difficult non conference games. That's a problem in college football. Which by the way, I do think that one of the reasons why Texas is being ranked so high as they are now by the committee is that the committee is trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that they went out and played Ohio State. Totally agree. And they're. And they're trying to not knock them or hold that against them so that they can encourage others to do the same. You know, there's been a. It's discussed. I don't know how much traction it's gotten, but Colin, they have discussed at some level behind closed doors having somewhat of a point system in college football to go along with the committee and maybe even overtake the committee. And it would go as follows. Like, let's just say Texas and Ohio State play this year and they're both top five teams and now they're both top ten teams still here late into November to go and play that game. And even if you went on the road and lost, you would get five points in a PowerPoint structure. Meanwhile, if you were to schedule a game like let's say Texas didn't want to play Ohio State and they wanted to play like, I don't know, ut, you know, San Antonio or some lower level team, you know, Louisiana Tech, Monroe, whatever it is, even if they won that game at home in the non conference, they would get zero points. So in a point structure type of system, as we were trying to compete for the College Football Playoff, we would have a point system that rewarded teams for going and playing tough non conference games versus scheduling a cupcake in their home stadium. I think that's something interesting. I would love to vet that out a little bit more. But that's something that has been talked about in college football. All right, you have Michigan, Northwestern at Wrigley this weekend. Where are you with Michigan right now? The coach, the quarterback, super talented. They've got some receivers. The quarterback I like, but where are we, you know, when legends leave? When Chip Kelly left Oregon, we liked Mark Helfrich the longer he was there, it didn't work. It is very. The history tells you when a legend leaves, giving the job to a staff member that stays doesn't work. Remember, you go back to Miami. Wait, I'm sorry, do we. Is it not working for Ohio State and Ryan Day? Well, no, no, hold on. Wait, again, again? Is Ryan Day not the highest percentage winning coach in the history of college football? Ryan Day was this hot guy that could have gotten a head job in a lot of places. People. Ryan Day was the buzz. He was like Ben Johnson. A lot of people talking about Ryan Day. NFL teams talked about Ryan Day, right? Like the coordinator. Who's this young kid when you give the Job to a staff member generally when alleged. I mean calling Sharon Moore just a staff member. He was the coordinator of the national champions. You think he have got a job? He was the interim head coach against Penn State in a top five matchup on the road. He beat Ohio State as the intermed like he was the head coach for those games. But history says even in the NFL go to go get a successful head coach. Bama, go get Nick. How'd that work for LSU with Brian Kelly? Well, it wasn't that work for Texas A and M with Jimbo Fisher. Well, you know, now you have Jimbo. I was never a big Jimbo guy to begin with so I, that wasn't a guy I would have hired and given 100 million to. But I'm, I disagree with you. I actually look around and I think Penn State is in a pickle right now because they're trying to create something out of thin air. Whereas what, what has worked so far, you've got two guys that were elite level coordinators that got jobs at places that had had had success before them and infrastructure to continue that success. Success, sorry, that's Kirby Smart at Georgia and that's Dan Landing at Oregon. Then you've got the guys that were great head coaches at a lot of places that won football games that can go into someplace and replace and do well. That's Caitlin DeBoer. That was urban Meyer when he left from, from Utah and went to Florida and then ultimately Ohio State. And then you have the guys that were promoted from within. Dabo Sweeney was promoted from within. You've got Lincoln Riley was promoted from within. You've got Sharon Moore was promoted from within. You've got Ryan Day was promoted. So like that that works. And I don't think that you can just say one doesn't and one does. I personally believe that Michigan, they're the youngest team in the Big Ten right now. They're 7 and 2 and they could put themselves in a position where if they were to beat Ohio State for the fifth straight time they would go to the playoff. So I, I don't. There's no way you could categorize this as like not working. They're super young and they're really good. No, I asked the question. I said, I didn't say it was wasn't working. I said where are you implying though they've been. They've been really inconsistent, like not competitive against usc, you know, week to week. Not quite sure what I get. I think Underwood's unbelievable. Yeah, that's fair. No, listen, I think that's fair and I think that that's part and parcel to a young team and, and a young head coach. I would be really surprised if this doesn't trend in a really positive direction from this point moving forward. All right. I mean, they're going to beat Northwestern. Maybe Northwestern is a good football team. Well, they are. You're going to be like, you're going to be with us. Am I going to see you? Well, listen, you're going to be a big noon kickoff that is being negotiated. Negotiated. Does it have to do with the temperature outside? Actually, Saturday is going to be nice. And that's what I. That's what I saw. It's supposed to be like 62 or something like that. Yeah, it's 62 here every day. Sometimes there's white stuff on the ground, but it's still 62. Good seeing you, buddy. Great to see you as well, man. Have a good day. Yeah, I'm not saying. Yeah. I'm not saying Michigan's not going to work. I'm saying in my lifetime, generally, go get a Chris Peterson. Go get a Brian Kelly. Go get a Nick Saban. Go get somebody that succeeded. I mean, people bang on Lincoln riley. He won 11 games in over four years at oklahoma. He was a successful coach. You can do it with the Ryan days. But you know what? One Natty's was Urban Meyer at Florida, who'd been a head coach. Urban Meyer at Ohio State. Generally, I am for in a top program with all the pressure. Go get a big dog now. I think Brian Kelly was a weird fit. The Southern twang, it just didn't feel right. And I think he took it for the money. They're arguing over money still at LSU with Brian Kelly. I think he took it for the paycheck and that. Okay, I've said once, six is the first number in your age. People take jobs for paychecks. It's not about how it works going forward or it's, you know, hey, can I get a vacation place in Naples? You know, people make those decisions all the time. But I'm not saying that the Michigan thing's not going to work. But I've watched a couple of stinkers this year where I'm like, well, okay, well, the quarterbacks of freshmen. Maybe that's it. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Pay attention. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe. Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb, Kavino and Rich the Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Maller Show. 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So if you take the worst six teams in the league. Here is the current NFL draft order. Okay. Tennessee 1 New Orleans 2 Giants 3 Cleveland 4 Jets 5 Raiders 6 Bad teams. Tennessee and the Giants aren't taking quarterbacks. Okay New Orleans I think should, okay I, I think they should they take Mendoza. Big strong starts, smart can move Mendoza. Indiana is your number one quarterback off the board. Well Cleveland, the Jets and the Raiders only knew quarterback and if Dante Moore is not available, I don't buy the rest of these guys as coming and start guys. I'd go get Mac Jones if you're not watching the Niners right now. Don't have Brandon Iuk, don't have a great offensive line. Don't have Ricky Pierce. Pierce hall don't have it. Debo's gone. Trade Mac Jones, ninth best passer rating, second in passing yards. So pff has him as the ninth best quarterback. That's above Caleb Williams. Although Caleb's been the last two weeks has moved up. So I mean last week 33 of 39. I don't care if it's underneath, he's doing it with backups. Kendrick Bourne is it gets born back there and said I swear he's back. So that's my take. And I don't think San Francisco wants to relinquish Mac Jones because Brock Purdy has been banged up but last year, the Seahawks are like, yeah, we're not going to draft the guy with our top pick. Let's get. Let's get Sam Darnold worked out pretty well. Minnesota's like, we'll let Sam Darnold go. We're going to take the guy we drafted. How's that working out? The Colts are like, no, he tried drafting out Anthony Richardson. We're going to go get a guy in the league, Daniel Jones. You watch the Colts. So the Colts and the Seahawks are like, we'll take guys in the league. Tampa Bay, we'll take Baker Mayfield, guy in the league. That's working out okay. Now Mendoza is an A prospect. Big, smart, strong me. You can't watch that last drive against Penn State on the road. Those are great big boy Sunday throws. But as Joel Clatt says, if Dante Moore doesn't come out, none of these guys nuss Meyer, Simpson. These guys aren't ready to come into the NFL and start. No way. I think Dante Moore could. If he got the right coach, he'd flourish. If he didn't need struggle, Mendoza, I think is good enough to overcome some nonsense even if he joins. You know, New Orleans got a bit of a mess, but if you're not paying attention to Mac Jones, Mac Jones is having an unbelievable. You know, I always thought Mac Jones was after the New England experience, kind of a bridge guy. Nah, nah. I think he's a franchise guy. I mean, when he had Josh McDaniels Pro Bowler. Now Shanahan, good BB plus guy can spin it. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline news. These are troubled times, Colin, for Green Bay packers fans. They are very, very upset with Mr. Matt LaFleur. The fans are outraged. Back to back bad home losses where you. The offense just looked ghastly. The media asked LaFleur if he felt like he is coaching for his job. Yes, his job the rest of the season. I'll leave that for. For everybody else to decide. I'll just focus on the day to day and trying to do. I feel like you're always coaching for everything in this league. You know, that's just my mindset. It's always been that way. You know, you can't ever exhale. You got to always be pushing. And that's just my mindset, so. And that will be my mindset until they tell me not to coach anymore. Yeah, I don't think he'd be unemployed long. I think he'd get a job real quick if somebody Wanted to let him go. Listen, they had a bad free agent signing. They overpaid Banks from San Francisco. That's been a bad free agent signing. The Micah deal was a good deal. They are broken offensively. The scripted stuff doesn't work. The run game doesn't work. They do have, I think the craft injury and the Read injury are punitive. Like it, it's noticeably. It hurts. But I, I think all this talk of firing Matt LaFleur, I, I've said who have I compared Matt LaFleur to McVeigh? No, Lincoln Riley. Oh, Lincoln Riley. Right. Okay. I just had this conversation over the weekend. Matt LaFleur and Lincoln Riley, you know, they're smart. You know they win games. You know, they're great play designers. You know they're on the right side of the ball in football today. You know they're great play callers. Although LaFleur gets banged on that. And, and by the way, they have a history of elevating Matt. Aaron Rodgers got better. McCarthy left, LaFleur came in, Aaron won MVP. And LaFleur, by the way, Jordan Love was very good. I think a lot of this is simply Jordan Love. When you take away his best tight end and arguably his best receiver and they can't run the ball, you're asking them to win games. I think Mahomes can do that and Lamar and Josh can do that. I don't think Jalen Hurts and Jordan Love are that kind of guy. Suddenly the Eagles can't run. Jalen Hurts isn't as good. Suddenly the packers can't run that. Jordan Love doesn't look as good. The Chargers have no run game, no offensive line and they're in a three game winning streak because that's what an elite quarterback does. I think Jordan Love, we've overvalued him. He's probably closer to B plus than he is A and that's okay. But the idea that Matt LaFleur can't coach, I don't know. Yeah. So a couple things here. Number one, the interior of the offensive line of the packers is garbage. I mean, by the way, their center just went on IR today and I was reading some stuff. He may be done for the season. That is terrible news. They could not block Jalen Carter up the middle. Love was struggling. He can handle pressure off the edges because their tackles are good, but their interior 3 are grading out horribly, including your guy Banks. So if you're looking to bet this weekend, the Giants do not get pressure up the middle. They come off the edges. Packers will be Fine. I. I do wonder. This LaFleur, fire him stuff. We have a mutual friend who's in the Midwest and he was talking. He's like laughing at this. Like, this is goofy. Colin. Two years ago, when the Chargers fired their guy Staley, there was an obvious candidate, Jim Harbaugh. Last year, there was an obvious candidate, Vrabel. There's no obvious candidate this year. And I'm sorry to burst your Lane Kiffin bubble. People are not firing their head coach to go get Lane Kiffin. There's no slam dunk coordinator or college football guy that is like, we gotta fire our guy and go get him. That's part of the reason I haven't said, like, let's get rid of Aaron Glenn. I don't think there's anyone great on the market. McCarthy's good. We would agree. Yeah, they're not, they're not bringing McCarthy back to green Bay. Right. So who are you getting if you fire Leflore? Well, Penn State's found this out. They fire James Franklin. It's like because of a losing streak. It's like, well, slightly different. They kind of had to. I mean, he lost the locker room, he lost the booster. He lost everybody. I don't know. I just look around, tell me who's the number one candidate if you have a coaching opening in the NFL and if you say Lane Kiffin, we, like Mike McCarthy is the number one candidate. Okay, well, he ain't going back to Green Bay. That's. That's right. That's right. So then, so what are we doing? Are we firing him for Jesse Minter of the Chargers? We're not doing that. Who are you going to get a retread like Nagy or Vance Joseph? Well, also, if you brought it, if you brought in the defensive coach, he'd get rid of Jeff Half Lee, who's been a home run defensive coordinator hired. So there's just no great offensive guys out there. Now, you could say if you want to get real creative, you know, I know Alabama and Kaylin DeBoer had some issues at the beginning. You know, the Alabama fans after, like the loss to FSU, they were done with him like that quickly. Kaylin DeBoer is freaking good. Are you watching Alabama? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sequencing the. Everything about this. Kaylin DeBoer can coach in the pros, no question. That's a guy I would consider. And obviously Marcus Freeman. Yeah, I don't think Freeman's on the market. Ryan Day is maybe interesting, but if you talk to Clack, there's No way. Ryan Day's leaving like, right? I don't know. Anyways. All right, let's move on to the next story. The Philadelphia Eagles, Colin. Are 7 and 2 tied with the Seahawks and Rams for best record in the nfc ahead of their matchup with the Lions. Nick Sirianni. How about this stat? I. This is staggering. Nick Sirianni. Walk around, Guy. Nick Sirianni is fourth all time among NFL head coaches with a.714 win percentage. Yeah. This is a staggering stat. Guy Chamberlain, whoever that is. Probably when you were watching football back in the day, we all know John Madden, Lombardi, George Allen, Nick Sirianni. Well, I think that list is a great example. Outside of Lombardi and Madden, is George Allen a top five coach? And I remember him well, is Guy Chamberlain. I don't know who that is. Yeah. So a lot of it's situational. I mean, we look at the greatest coaches of all time. Where's Bill Walsh? Yeah. Where's Belichick and Andy Reid? Yeah. So I, that's why I was, you know, these, these all time lists. Be careful. I think he's shown to be. He's a really good fit in Philly, but I don't think if he lost the job, he'd have a lot of job offers out there. I think people think he works in Philly with Howie and Jeffrey, Lori and Jalen Hurts and the roster. I don't think he's bad. He's better than I thought he would be. But I think it's a, it's a, it's a collaborative effort in Philly. Yeah. And, you know, certainly helps to get Jalen Hurts, obviously, who's been a slam dunk. And then, you know, trading for A.J. brown, who we're going to talk about in the next hour. Colin. Just as a tease, that's what they call it here in the industry. Final story is the Vikings. And listen, I have strong thoughts about this J.J. mcCarthy stuff. Colin. We got to dig into it here. So remember last year, Vikings winning every game with Sam Darnold. Right. But J.J. mcCarthy, the young guy they drafted and Kevin O' Connell loves him. You know, McCarthy's had four starts and he's got a lot of injuries. And you say he's injury prone and slight. I saw him running around against the Ravens and I was getting nervous because he's not a big dude. How about this? An NFL analyst says the Vikings have a good game flow problem. Saying JJ Is great on the scripted stuff. Right. First drive of the game that you plan all Week and map it out. But falls off a cliff after the first two drops. He does exactly right. We've talked about this. Right. Here's my thing. The man is the youngest starting quarterback in the NFL. He's about to have his fifth NFL start. Yeah. Does it not seem weird that Everybody's going after JJ McCarthy and is it because of Darnold was good last year? Because Colin, you and I have talked about this for years. The way to build an NFL team is on the rookie quarterback contract. I Sam Darnold at 40 million. Great. Sure. But it ended badly last year. I would rather have JJ McCarthy on the rookie contract and round out the roster. So I don't understand why there's so much hate for McCarthy and people keep going after him. Well, I think four starts, I don't think there's hate. I think there's cynicism. This is not column college football. It's pro. And I said on Monday, right? Wrong. I could be totally wrong on this. I didn't get it in college. I don't get it now. I think the best argument for J.J. mcCarthy is the argument for Sam Darnold. When Sam came out of USC, he was 21. Okay. When you're that young, you need really, really good coaches to start. The difference is JJ McCarthy is super young and does have that. So I'm going to be less patient with J.J. mcCarthy. He had a great college coach and has a really good NFL coach. Sam Darnold went from below average college coach to a disaster head coach. So I. I think your young argument absolutely legitimate. But the difference is Sam went from bad to bad. The Vikings have been well run my entire life. You can go back to the 70s. They've always been a good franchise. Kevin O' Connell's way above average and Harbaugh is a great coach. So JJ's gotten great coaching and I get this. So I. You're the. The age thing is real. But he got. I mean, honestly. Kevin o', Connell, Justin Jefferson, elite left tackle, Jordan Addison, a division without a great defense before Micah got to Green Bay. Like he should be better than this. Fair. Derrisau's had some injuries, the left tackle, but he's a really good left tackle. Yeah, he. He's excellent. I guess I just want. I know patience isn't a thing that we have in society right now, but can we see a sample size of, I don't know, a season or two? I mean, people are willing to write off Michael Penix already. No, he hasn't looked great. No, I said with J.J. mcCarthy, I want us to play him every snap the rest of the year. Every snap. This is not a bench him. It's like play J.J. i'm saying my initial belief is he looks like Michigan JJ McCarthy, that he's kind of being carried. He's not caring. And that's what I want to see. I'll say this, I'll just put it on record. I was bullish on the Vikings in the offseason. I'm buying JJ McCarthy stock. Pennies on the dollar. Give it to me. I believe this is. As a potential Pro bowl quarterback in a year or two and maybe all pro within five years. I'm really a believer in JJ McCarthy. Well, I like your stand. I like where you, I, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're basically your heels in sometimes. I mean, you're all in on Caleb. We're going Midwest on the show now. I may as well find another Midwest quarterback. I'm not taking Jordan Love. All right, J J Mac with a new. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the hero. No, I did that earlier. I said, it's very difficult. It's easy to spend somebody else's money. But if you were a general manager, you were. And I put down the 11 quarterbacks in the NFL 25 and under, and I said, pick three. That you would write a check for knowing that when you write the check, like if you wrote it for Caleb Williams, you can't keep DJ Moore or Joe Tuney. You can't. Drake May doesn't have a lot of stars around him. The best players, you know, Will Campbell, Travian Henderson, Kyle Williams, they're all rookies, so you wouldn't have to make big changes there. But when I put that list up an hour ago and I said, okay, you got to pay three of them. Drake May's the easy one. Of the other 10 remaining, I would pay today. I would extend C.J. stroud and Caleb Williams and their passer ratings hover around 90, which is kind of like C level quarterback play. So. And I, but those are the three I would do. That's why when everybody bails on Bo Nix, I'm like, bo's durable. He never misses. Starts college or pro. He's excellent in college and pro in the fourth quarter and he wins a bunch of games. He won a bunch of Oregon, he wins a bunch of Denver. I mean, durable win games. Good in the fourth. You, you guys can all. You start looking at all these quarterbacks, 25 and under eight of them are hurt all the time. Just a thought. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Breaking news. Not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones, it's funny and uplifting. Podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good. 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High school recruiting does matter. But Urban Meyer talked about it last week. Some of these schools, you would have never thought five years ago they could be top 10 teams. I think this is interesting column we've talked about out with the old Clemson, lsu, Penn State, Florida, Florida State, Wolverines. They're kind of out. And then in how about this IU Ole Miss, byu, Texas Tech, Utah, Vandy, Georgia Tech, all with a shot for the college playoff. Parody in college football has never been like this. Here's the other thing the nil's done. Some of these quarterbacks like Lenora Sellers, who I would have no problem drafting if I was the Rams late first round and not playing for two years, he may just stay in college. He's like 20. So some of these college quarterbacks, Mendoza's got to come out. He's too good. At Indiana, he's too good. He's going to be the first quarterback taken. Dante Moore, in my opinion, could come out, but Oregon's got a lot of money and they may pay him 4 million bucks to stay. So the nil's done two things. It is given some off brand, or what you would call smaller brand college football programs that have rich boosters a chance to compete and get into the playoff. That's the first thing. The second thing it's done is some of these college quarterbacks, and I think this is good for the kid and good for the NFL and good for college. It's keeping him in school longer. If Dante Moore stays in school at Oregon, he'll be the number one pick next year. So. So instead of going to a, you know, and by the way, he'll get another 15 starts. But Mendoza's got to come out. But I, I've watched all these college quarterbacks. The only three to me are first rounders. Mendoza, Dante Moore, and the kid at South Carolina who I don't think is close to ready to start. 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