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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Blazing 5 Picks, the Bears horrible offense, Josh Allen looks amazing, Eric Mangini
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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West West Prop
All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you give him credit for. You between Jerry out here mandering all over the place. Hop out, boys. Snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamel Hill cause she gonna keep it a century.
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Colin Cowherd
The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society, so what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you.
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West West Prop
Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Hey everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks on Move the Six. We take you inside the game. From breaking down college prospects and NFL.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
We study the tape, talk to decision makers and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sundays.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
You're listening to Fox Sports rad.
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go. It's a Friday. It's hour two, ready to roll. First hour flew by. Completely flew by. You know J Mac, I had a winning week first week last week. Robbed in the Denver loss. I'm not gonna complain about it, but probably the toughest beat I've had. I mean, I told you this off air and on. That's the toughest beat I've had probably in three years. But you know what? I'm not a vict. That's not who I am. No, I just put the work boots on, grab the shovel and start digging out picks. So here we go. It is week three. I feel good about it. Blazing five let's blaze it up. Fire it up. It's Collins Blazing five. Rams at Eagles I'm going to take the Rams plus three and a half. Best second half team in the league. Stafford's the highest rated quarterback, but more than anything, it's the number one scoring defense in the league. Both opponents held under 20. Not only are they getting to the quarterback, eight sacks from six different players, this defensive front is gnarly. And the Eagles offense, they have three plays, just three plays all year over 20 yards. It's a BB gun despite a great O line in Saquon Barkley. I don't get the number. Eagles offense trying to find its way. Rams defense getting better by the quarter. I'm going to take the rams to upset them. 27 23. Steelers and Patriots I'm going to take the Patriots as a home dog plus one and a half. Drake May played very well. What I like they're getting after the quarterback. Mike Brable's got that defensive front humming. Also. They've been hard to run on and Pittsburgh doesn't run it anyway. Aaron Rodgers been sacked seven times in two games. They haven't run the ball in Pittsburgh in seven years and they're not going to run it against New England. Meaning Aaron on the road is going to have to throw. And this Steelers defense, I don't know what's wrong but it's a mess on the back end and they're allowing six and a half yards of play. I like the Patriots straight out to win this game. 27 23. Saints at Seahawks Seattle Big They've held both opponents under 20 points. Jackson, Smith and Jigba. Yeah. Looks like they found a number one receiver and that was the concern. I said I thought Darnold was an upgrade. O line will be better. Both have been true. Listen y' all tell me about Spencer Rattler. Can you win a game? You know they've been 09 the last couple of years against playoff teams. They've lost seven team straight games when they allow 20 plus points. I'm going to take Seattle to score 20 points in this game. Spencer Rattler is completing under 60%. 08 is a starter. They're traveling cross country. I don't know. I like Seattle here at home 28 to 20. I don't even. I don't even think it feels that close. I think the Saints maybe score. You know they try to backdoor it and score a touchdown. I think Seattle's gonna control this football game and cover Cowboys and Bears. I'm taking the over. I think Dallas will win. Close but I'm taking the over 50 and a half points. Listen, the Cowboys have the best third down offense in against that Giants defensive front. It was payday and they did what they wanted to. Javonte Williams, we always liked him in Denver. Dallas picked him up. They found some creases in the offensive line. CD Lambs having a monster year and the Bears Bears defense is allowing seven yards of play. Clayton Johnson's out and they're bad on third down. So the Bears don't move the change. They will not be able to keep the ball away from Dax. CD Lamb, George Pickens. So the Bears have too many three and outs and that's a recipe for a tired second half defense missing their best corner. Cowboys win at 28:27 but I like the over on this game. Bet the Cowboys Bears over weather won't be a problem either. Lions and Ravens Monday Night Football. You know what I say when Lamar Jackson hosts an NFC team. I don't care what the spread is. It's Ravens minus four and a half. I'm taking Baltimore bottom line once again number one scoring offense in the seven and one over their last eight home games, 10 of the 13 have come by over a touchdown. And here's what I don't like. The defense for the Lions is allowing a 48% conversion rate on third down. That's near the bottom of the league. And so and again, you know, again the first drive Caleb Williams moved down the field. I don't like teams that struggle on third down defensively. Especially against Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry. They have a way of picking up the first down, dominating the clock, keeping your quarterback and your offense on the sideline. Ravens win 30, 23. I'll take him to cover the spread. Eric Mangini is now joining us. First things first. You see him all the time. J. Mac, you said you like the picks.
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Tyler Dunne
Love the picks, in fact. Patriots is a smart play. I think Pittsburgh's way overvalued. Colin, this could be your first 5 and 0 in a little bit.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, come on, let's slow down.
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Tyler Dunne
No, aim for. Aim high, big guy.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Eric Mangini now joining us from New York. So I said, look at. He's nodding in agreement. He loves those picks, too.
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Eric Mangini
You can tell I like the picks. I. I don't know. I don't know about the New Orleans pick. Seven and a half is a lot of points.
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Colin Cowherd
It is.
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Eric Mangini
It is the only one I'm worried about.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. I was saying this. Sometimes you and I in our lives have watched history. I grew up and I saw Hank Aaron surpass Babe Ruth. I remember that was one of my first sports memories as a kid. And we know we're watching history, and then there's times that it's not necessarily about a record, but we're watching something that doesn't make historic sense. Josh Allen. The Buffalo Bills have not lost the Turnover battle in 25 games. Eric. His last 12 games, I get 30 touchdowns in one pick. I've always said the one thing that's hard to coach out of star quarterbacks who have horsepower is reckless. Favre, Luck Manning, Namath Elway. It's like you can't tell the guy with the big muscles at the beach, hey, keep your shirt on. He's just born to show off. The fact that he's got this much horsepower and basically now throws the ball underneath, doesn't take risky throws. It shows he's coachable, he's humble. I think we're watching his history here in the last 2015 Games with Josh Allen. I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. This horsepower with no mistakes.
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Eric Mangini
Yeah, it's been amazing. And you mentioned Brett Favre. So. So Josh had the record where he led in the four previous seasons. He had the most touchdowns and he had the most turnovers, and it was tied with Brett Favre. And that's a perfect comparison. When I had Brett Favre in New York. You love the upside. You love the chances that he took, but you didn't love the fact that he had to take a chance all the Time. And I used to talk to Brett and I'm like, look, don't. You don't have to hit on 16. We'll be okay. We don't want to coach it out of you. And obviously at that point it was clear you weren't going to. But. But we need a little bit less of that. And the fact that Josh Allen was able to do what he did last year after having five out of the six previous years with double digit interceptions, it's, it's really impressive and it's hard to do because his nature is to take chances. And for him to go in now, what, three games he hasn't had a turnover to this season. Yeah, it's, it's really, really impressive. I hope it's sustainable. And if it's sustainable, it's hard to imagine this, this isn't the year that they're, that they're in the Super Bowl.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to talk about Miami for a second and I know the game is over, but I thought Mike McDaniel had him ready to play. There were guys wide open. He obviously can scheme people open. He'll get a job as an OC and be great if he gets released of his duties. I don't doubt that at all. There's some people that are just built to coordinate and they're great at it. Steelers for years had a defensive coordinator who was unbelievable and Steve Spagnol. And that's fine. Some people are vp, some are press, whatever. But the TUA thing is interesting because there's a cap hit here. And I've said the NFL went through a decade where they convinced themselves that quarterback size doesn't matter. Bryce Young, Kyler, Murray tua, Russell Wilson. And you look up now and you're like, yeah, the big guys are winning again. They're winning all the. And I, my. So my take is on tua. J. Mac and I talked about this. I like, I think in a dome team, I think in warm weather it can possibly work. But I do think watching him throw that pick where it's like he didn't see the linebacker, he's too, he's too smart. He's had taken too many snaps to throw that pick. I do think you have to consider going forward maybe, maybe this, this isn't, this isn't going to beat Josh Allen. Josh Allen's going nowhere, Eric, for the next 10 years, Drake may is a bigger, stronger quarterback. Those teams playing cold weather, windy, cold weather. What would you do if you ran the Dolphins with tua?
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Eric Mangini
Yeah, it's Funny. Buddy Ryan used to say there's a place for a good little guy in the NFL. It's just not in front of a good big guy. And that's true. The big guys at the end of the day are going to win. And the thing with Mike McDaniel and too, remember when Mike first got there, everybody loved the impact that he was having. He was a players coach and even Tua really blossomed because he had dealt with the hard coaching previously. It didn't really fit his personality. He clicked with Mike. They go to the playoffs his first two seasons and he's taken a step back. But the issue with Tua isn't just about the mistakes or size, but you've also got the concussion part of it and you just don't know when is the next hit gonna be the last hit with him. And that's what was surprising me when they initially gave him the big long term contract. It's a huge risk, not just because of his size, but also because of the concussion history. So I don't know how many more years he's gonna A be able to play and A want to or B, want to play.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, I didn't like the big contract and I said it on the air. So I said with Caleb Williams against the Cowboys, I, I don't need to win, I need progress. I don't need a W. But you can't after the first drive be holding the ball for 3.3 seconds the whole off season. I said I don't care about yards, wins touchdowns, get rid of the ball, play within an offensive structure through two games outside of the two opening drives. Eric, I don't see it. And I just, I've been saying this now. I don't know if structure coach is going to work with freewheeling, athletic, dynamic, ad libbing quarterback. What say you?
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Eric Mangini
I think it can work and I think two is or I think with Caleb it's been frustrating because the defense has been so bad. They're up what, 17 to 6 at the going in the second half.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Eric Mangini
In the first game they come out, then they miss the field goal. He scores the touchdown late, but the defense lets him down. And then the last game there was no chance defensively. So you'd like to see him in some competitive games, consistently competitive games, to see where his progress is. Again, just like with college, you see plays where like, wow, this guy, this guy has a chance to be a really good quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Eric Mangini
But to your point, every play can't be some sort of heroic, elongated make something happen. Play. It just can't be. And he took some heat last year, and Eberfluss took some heat last year saying he wasn't taking enough chances. Remember that narrative? Yeah. So there's a balance here, and I think he's in a good space to keep making progress, but the defense has to hold up their end of the bargain to some degree to give him a chance of being competitive game. So he's not, you know, trying to score a ton of points then late in the game.
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Colin Cowherd
So I think Al Michaels threw a little shade at the Eagles last night without saying their name. He said, you know, some teams are really fun to watch, some aren't some good teams. And it was a little shade at the Eagles. Here's my thing with the Tush push. I think the league's going to ban it, and this is not the question, but because they're doing it too much. I think if you'd have done the defensive shift in baseball once a series, they'd still have it when you did it constantly. Baseball's like, this doesn't work. It takes baserunners. We want more action and baserunners. So needless to say, the Tush push, I think will get banned because it's just now a bigger part of their offense than throwing the ball down the field. But it does symbolize a concern that they have more push, push attempts than passes 10 yards down the field. And they have A.J. brown and Devonta Smith deep threats. That signals to me they don't trust the staff, doesn't trust him. It's not offensive line protection. It's not. They don't have quality tight ends. Like, they don't throw the ball down the field. What is that telling me about what the staff thinks about the player Jalen Hurts?
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Eric Mangini
Look, I think the formula is fantastic. So he signs the big contract, they try to justify him as a passer, and he throws 15 picks. Okay, so then they come out at the start of last year and the first four games, he's got 30 attempts in each of the first four games, and they go two and two since then, over the next 16 games, he's had over 30 attempts one time, and they're undefeated over that time, period. So, okay, if that's the form that wins, it's not going to be exciting. AJ Brown is going to be on the sideline at some point with a different book or some other. Some other theatrics to subtly or not so subtly express his frustration. But it's boring. And I'm sure It's frustrating for everybody who's playing him, but it's a formula that works. So why not be boring and win instead of trying to get, you know, style points and lose? It works for them. And you may hate it, but it's a formula that works. And I wouldn't deviate from it.
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Colin Cowherd
So I got a little heat this week, apparently, on the interweb. J. Mac says it was hyperbole. And I said, listen, if in. In basketball, the hall of Fame counts for pro and college. I mean, a Harlem Globetrotter is in the Basketball hall of Fame, officials are. But in football, it's the College Football hall of Fame in Atlanta and then the Pro Football hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. They're separate. I said, if you combine them like basketball, could I argue. Jim Harbaugh is the best coach ever. He's taken five messes. Four of the five, they were good immediately. Five of five, they were very good. Within two to three years, he wins a ton. A natty gets to a Super bowl, he leaves. All five are a mess the next day. He's not just a coach, he's a soul. The soul of the team leaves. And you've been in a room with Jim. And so when I said, if you combine the holiday, is he the best coach? And I always thought Jimmy Johnson was the one guy that got college right, pro right, won everywhere. Harbaugh is like five for five. What? I don't know. It's just. I'm watching Justin Herbert. He's better. I'm watching the defense. It's number one. I'm watching the tackling. Like some data. They've just gotten better at everything. He doesn't. Does he know everything about football? What is it?
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Eric Mangini
So I've been with multiple hall of Fame coaches, Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, and Jim Harbaugh is going to be in the hall of Fame, too. And the thing that's different about Jim and Jim is a very different personality, but it's a really effective personality. He legitimately loves football. He wants to be carried off to the afterlife from the football field. Nothing makes him happier than being there. And the thing about that is when you get into pro football and even to some degree, college football, it can be just work. He brings that enthusiasm that you had as a kid when you loved the game into each of these programs, and that's contagious. Then there's the element of he doesn't care about what's happened in the past. It doesn't matter. He used to say, we're the San Francisco 49ers. We can do whatever we want. And he believed that it did not matter what happened in the past. It didn't matter what conventional wisdom was. We could do whatever we want. And that gives him a huge competitive advantage because he's not bound by groupthink. They're gonna do whatever they want. And then the other thing is, look at the faith that he's shown in Justin Herbert, the things that he said. He's not just the best quarterback in the NFL right now. He could be the best quarterback ever. That faith and confidence that you have in the player, that's contagious, too. That permeates into the player, and it's powerful. So it's stylistically radically different than Parcell's, radically different than Belichick, but a way that really works and works wherever he is.
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Colin Cowherd
Finally, I said this. Nobody wants to be called an elitist, but I'm a quarterback. Traits elitist. I like. I like big, strong guys that move. Well. I've never been a small quarterback guy outside of Drew Brees, so I'm an elitist. I like a big arm. Dak doesn't have it. I like durability. Dax had two surgeries. I like bigger, physical athletes. Manning, big Ben Brady. Well, Dax normal size. But I said, he reminds me of the kid that the parents sometimes forget about because he's never a problem. He gets good grades. He'll babysit. He's never in trouble. He never pulls the fire alarm in high school. And in the end, you make him executor of the will because he's the one kid. And those kids over get. And those kids, by the way, they end up being mentally tough because they get. They get ignored a lot, right? Like, because the parents are spending so much time in the other kids. And I look at Dak, and you got Jerry, and you had dez, and you have Zeke, and you got Micah, and you got the star. He's on his third coach, second surgery. I watched him the first two weeks. I've never seen him this good. I mean, how do you view him?
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Eric Mangini
Yeah, that's a perfect analogy. My youngest is like that. He's on autopilot, and we don't have to worry about a thing with him. I totally agree with that. And Dallas is. It's year after year of drama and dysfunction and everything that goes into to sort of Jerry's. Jerry's world. But. But Dak's not part of that. And I. I've been so impressed by Dak. These first two games, coming back from an injury and playing as well as, as he did in Philadelphia. And look, if CD Lamb doesn't drop three very catchable balls, they're, they're probably winning that game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Eric Mangini
And, and you know, he's, he's the highest paid player right now in the league. And, and he actually looked like he deserved that distinction over the last two games. And there's not been many times where I could have said that about Dak, but there seems to be a resolve and almost a little a chip and anger. All the things of saying, I'm tired of hearing how I'm not good enough and I'm not one of the top guys, and I'm going to show you that I am. And through two games, he's made a really strong argument.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, for him in that game against the Giants in overtime, off surgery to peel off a huge run. And I was like, it's impressive. All these years, all these surgery, Giants D line is good. He takes off to the races. And maybe it's not Lamar Jackson or Josh, but I was like, that's an impressive play. In that moment to trust yourself, put yourself out there. Eric Mangini, as always, by the way, your kids are going to hear about this. So the one kid's really going to like what you said.
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Eric Mangini
Well, he, I think all three boys know that, that he's like that, so it won't be a shock.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Great seeing you as always, coach.
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Eric Mangini
Great seeing you too, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, let's be totally honest about this. That Thursday night game with Dallas and Philly, if CD Lamb doesn't drop just the one deep ball, they probably win. Forget three. I'll give you a draw. I'll give every receiver drop every game, even an easy one. That was the play and that was a perfect throw by Dak and CD who is amazing. The following week, I bet the over catches and we hit that. He just, he dropped the touchdown. He doesn't do that very often. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's me, Rob Parker.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Iheartradio app, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be important, informative, and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Might want to go back to the Colts stadium.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I might want to go back.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
To the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.
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Colin Cowherd
It's worked for generations.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry, I would say.
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Colin Cowherd
I wouldn't fight him.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
I would listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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West West Prop
All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You already know our get down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort or struggle, you understand politics much more than you give him credit for. Feds taking over American cities, government. Hop out, boys. Hopping out the van, snatching up your Theo and them two wars that was supposed to be solved in 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place, the turfs, and of course, of course, the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot, and boy, did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from the Spolitics podcast to keep it a whole century in America.
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Colin Cowherd
What sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now.
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West West Prop
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Colin Cowherd
I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello and we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast. College football season is here and you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween. Uh huh. But fear not. The Solid verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal College Football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I gotta tell you what I I read all these columns about. You know the Bears don't blame Caleb. It is the defense. Why does the Chiefs defense not look as dominating in the second half this year? Because they have no run game and defensive players get tired in the second half. That's why Justin Herbert eats it alive and this and the Eagles win the second half. Why is the Steelers defense suddenly so awful, especially in the second half? Because they can't run the football. They can't sustain drives. You're complaining about the Bears defense. Have you seen the numbers on Caleb Williams after the first drive? It's three and out. The defense is exhausted in the 20 drives. Not of the first two drives of the game. He's completing 56% of his throws. He holds the ball longer than any quarterback. They're absolutely atrocious on third and fourth down. That's why the Steelers defense is bad in the second Half. There's no run game yet. The Seahawks defense in the second half again, San Francisco and Pittsburgh are great. Why they sustain drives. They can run the football. So you can talk about the defense all you want. If you can't pick up consistent third downs. I mean Miami last night stayed close because they kept picking up third downs. Miami kept their defense off the field. Their time of possession was good, so the defense made some plays. So if you wonder why defenses get bad and fall apart in the second half, it's because they're on. They're on the field for the 56 snap, 57, 58, 59, 60. It's harder to play defense. So the problems come for the in it because in Chicago the inability to keep the ball, time of possession, long drives, that's the key to defenses. It's very hard to historically find a great defense. You can go back to the Steelers great defenses in the 70s. Yeah, they had a great O line, Franco Harris, Rocky Blair. You know that defense sat on the sidelines in the first half and watched the Steelers and Bradshaw score a lot of points. And then in the second half with a lead, knowing the other other team had to throw. You had a fresh defense in the second half, right? LC Greenwood, Joe Green, Dwight White, great safeties. Jack Ham. Yeah, Lambert. Why? Because teams had to throw because the Steelers led and the defense was pretty arrested. Go look at your great defense. Almost always there is a running game component. I mean Tom Brady's best defenses. Tom was completing third downs. So if the Bears and Caleb's are scoring 33 points a game, it's remarkable how good their defense will look. So my God, defensive. Because their defense is watching their offense have 8, 9, 10, 11 play drives. It's hard to be a great defense when you're tired. J. Mac with the news.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
No, no, no, turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the herd line news.
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Tyler Dunne
All right, let's start Colin with the game that major blazin. Five Lions, Ravens. You talked a lot about Lamar's dominance, but Detroit's actually been able to somewhat slow down two mobile quarterbacks in Jordan Love and Caleb Williams. They didn't beat Jordan Love, but he didn't beat them with their legs. Obviously Lamar's a different beast. Here's Dan Campbell on prepping for the two time mvp.
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Colin Cowherd
We're going to have to be on point again. It'll be. But I, but I go back to this too and you can't paralyze your guys either. Like you know you can't, you can't pull back so far on them that they lose. You know, what makes them great players, you know, or like a guy like Hutch, man, you just got to be careful. So, yes, we have to be disciplined. Somebody's going to have to cover for you if you got a two way go and then, man, don't leave your feet. That's always. Don't leave your feet. You just keep moving with a base until you get reinforcements and let's just close it in on him. But that, that's. That'll certainly be a big point of emphasis. I think they're in trouble. I think NFC teams facing Lamar, when you don't get a regular diet of him, he's a lot those first seven, eight, nine drives. So I think Baltimore is going to get out to a lead and then Goff's going to be playing catch up, meaning it will negate the running game he'll have to throw. And I like Baltimore to pull away.
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Tyler Dunne
Yeah. Still no word on what's going on with Taylor Decker, their offensive lineman. That could be huge. But I would circle Brian Branch in the Detroit secondary. He's an excellent young safety out of Alabama. I wonder if they try to use him in some kind of Kyle Hamilton role where he's more in the box to contain Lamar. He's not as big as Kyle Hamilton, but they don't. Their linebackers are not super fast. They're more beefy. And that doesn't bode well for my point of view.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no. I think the two things I thought they had to work on this offseason in the draft was the interior line and the speed of their linebackers. Well, they definitely addressed the offensive line, but I still think Detroit's liability defensively is they're not great in space with their linebackers.
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Tyler Dunne
All right, let's move on to the Green Bay Packers. Can't stop talking about those guys. Number one in the herd hierarchy. 2, 0. With wins over playoff teams from last year, health is an issue. Colin, Left tackle Rasheed Walker believes they can run the table despite these injuries.
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Colin Cowherd
So we've been playing pretty clean as a team.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
After fact, we've been playing pretty clean. But as far as the office, I.
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Colin Cowherd
Feel like O line's been doing good. Jordan Love's been playing phenomenally and I.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Mean, we all just been playing this thing, executing. That's why we 2, 0 right now.
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Colin Cowherd
And then the goal is, you know, keep it going.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
I think we can go undefeated, honestly.
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Tyler Dunne
Two zero, bro. Slow. Settle down. Here's a weird thing. They're going to be Favored in all these games, Colin? Yeah, they're going to be favored certainly against Dallas next week. They're going to be favored against the Joe Burrow less Bengals. They're going to be favored at Kyler Murray like again. Where are they going to be dogs here may maybe not even Philadelphia since they're at home. Yeah, I don't know if they're good. Oh, maybe Baltimore.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll see. But they remind me of the early Mahomes Chiefs teams where they can play from behind, they can play with a lead. A lot of teams are not built. Philadelphia is not built to me to play from behind with their, with their power offense. And then there are certain teams that I think are really fun. I mean is Dallas built to play with elite? Can they just shut it down and and run 12 straight times? I don't know if Dallas can but they can play from behind with Dak and Pickens and CD Lamb and I and I, you know, I with the packers. They could be down 10 points, 4 minutes left if they had the ball. They're built for that and they're also built to slow it down. Power run it. I don't know. There's nothing about this team so far I don't like. I like everything they do.
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Tyler Dunne
So I would keep an eye on. So this guy Walker ran his mouth, right? He's their left tackle. You know who he's facing of the Browns this weekend?
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Colin Cowherd
Miles Jerry.
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Tyler Dunne
Yeah, that's not great. And the guy next to Walker is a replacement. The kid Banks. He used to be with the Niners because they got the interior injuries. Banks is not good. I would not be shocked if the Browns were frisky here.
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Colin Cowherd
Packers spent a lot of money on things. A lot.
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Tyler Dunne
And also by the way, the injuries. No, it doesn't look like Christian Watson, obviously. Jaden Reed. So Matthew golden, the young kid out of Texas should get more looks this week. Wicks and Dobbs also with him we'll see. Undefeated is just a little goofy, you know. Don't say that you're 20 if you're 8. No. You want to talk about that? Maybe. But anyways, final story. Colin. Let's go to this guy named Aaron Rodgers. Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback. With all the injuries to quarterbacks around the league, one NFL reporter believes Rogers is already second guessing his decision to sign with Pittsburgh and is waiting instead of waiting for the right opening. There were. There was chatter. Remember he wanted Minnesota because he was waiting out the the J.J. mcCarthy situation. I wonder if he is looking at that Pittsburgh defense and saying she, man, I didn't sign up for this crap. They can't stop a nosebleed.
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Colin Cowherd
So you and I talked about this. This was one of our leading NFL stories in, in like late July and August, which is what Aaron got frustrated with in New York. A defensive culture couldn't consistently run the game. Spotty pass protection and basically one big time receiver he trusted. That's the Steelers. He signed for a glossier, cooler version of the Jets. The difference is Salah got run out. Aaron didn't think that would happen and Tomlin won't. They are the jets and 41 year old quarterbacks. When Tom Brady chose Tampa, Tom Smart. What did he say? He brought Gronk with him for pass blocking. He got assurances they would fix the right tackle and he went to a team with a lot of dependable weapons. Tom knew what he was doing. Okay, so Aaron chose the jets, which is so strange. He's a West coast guy, he's older. He chose a team that hasn't consistently passed blocked for seven years and hasn't run under Tomlin for six to seven. So this is just the jets with cooler uniforms. Well, it's the same, same, you know, recipe.
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Tyler Dunne
So remember Brady went to Tampa and not only did he pull Gronk out of retirement, but he got Antonio Brown like living in his basement and he got Leonard Fournette to come with. So he had his guys in New York. Aaron Rodgers got everything. Remember he got the oc. I've already forgotten that guy's name.
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Colin Cowherd
Nathaniel Hackett.
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Tyler Dunne
Hackett. I think he's delivering pizzas in New Jersey, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Come on.
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Tyler Dunne
I mean, honestly. And then he gets Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb. Hey, Aaron. Friends come on down. And they stunk. Pittsburgh gave him none of that. Has he got any of his guys? They drew a hard line in the sand and he's probably just unhappy. If this NFL insider is to be.
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Colin Cowherd
Believed, go look at what Stafford chose. Stafford chose offensive guy. Sean McDay, a great left tackle, and Andrew Whitworth, a consistent run game.
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Tyler Dunne
Cooper cup at the time was a stud.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, so it's like Stanford and Brady figured it out. Like, we want an offensive coach. The O line's got to be right. This team's got to be able to run the ball. And do I have weapons and an offensive sensibility? Aaron's like, ah, the jets didn't work. Let's try it again. Like, I don't get that. I never understood the decision.
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Tyler Dunne
Aren't you excited for like maybe five more months of Rodgers? Because he's retiring this offseason.
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Colin Cowherd
He's going to be done and then.
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Tyler Dunne
We'Re not talking about him next season. So enjoy it. Rodgers, you're missing the playoffs this year, buddy.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll see J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd lie news. Yeah, it's. It's. I've always said this about the news coverage. People say, ah, it's too liberal. It's too this and that. It's not just the coverage. It's the stories the media chooses to write or ignore. It's all story selection. That's where I see so much bias in the NFL for these quarterbacks as they get old. It's not necessarily once you're there. You have to choose the right place. That's what it's about when you're an old quarterback. You got to choose the right place. Stafford chose smartly. Brady offensive coach, weapons, Easy Division, chose wisely. I just don't think Aaron did. I do not think. I do not think this is a great fit for him. We'll see. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio Apple.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
I might want to go back at the Colt Stadium.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I might want to go back.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
To the drawing board on that. Yeah, I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry.
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Colin Cowherd
I wouldn't fight him.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
I would listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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West West Prop
All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You already know our get down. If you grew up in our urban areas of comfort, of struggle, you understand politics much more than you give it credit for. Feds taking over American cities, government hop out boys hopping out the van, snatching up your theo on them. Two wars that were supposed to be solved in two 24 hours. Jerry just out here mandering all over the place, the turfs and of course the Epstein of it all. Well, this week we decided to shoot our shot and boy did we pull up from the logo to see if we could get somebody to come tap in with us. And the one and only Jamil Hill pulled up from the Spolitics podcast to keep it a whole century.
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Colin Cowherd
The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society, so what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you.
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West West Prop
Listen to the hood politics with prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
What's up everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks. On Move the Sticks, we take you inside the game. From scouting reports and player development to.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Every week we we study the tape, talk to decision makers, and share the insights you won't find anywhere else.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
It's the kind of conversation that connects the dots. From college football prospects to the NFL stars of tomorrow.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
We break down the draft, analyze matchups, and evaluate how teams put it all together on game day.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Plus, we dig into coaching strategies, roster construction, and the trends that shape the league year after year.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Whether you're a die hard fan or just love understanding the game on a deeper level, we give you the full picture.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
If you want insight that goes beyond the box score, this podcast is for you.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Six podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Hola, it's Honey German and my podcast, Gracias. Come Again is back. This season we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities. You didn't have to audition.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
No, I didn't audition. I haven't auditioned like over 25 years.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there.
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Oh yeah.
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We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a star. We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of Cheeseman, a lot of laughs, and those amazing Vivras you've come to Expect, expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity struggles and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewashed because you have to do the code switching.
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I won't say whitewashed because at the.
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West West Prop
End of the day, you know, I'm me. Yeah, but the whole pretending and coat, you know, it takes a toll on you.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to the new season of grasses. Come again as part of Michael Tura podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Tyler Dunne
FOX College Football Friday is under the lights in prime time with a Big Ten showdown as Iowa takes on Rutgers tonight, 8 Eastern on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
You ever been to Iowa?
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Tyler Dunne
That's a negative.
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Colin Cowherd
Beautiful. Wait, wait.
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Tyler Dunne
What's so beautiful about Iowa?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I mean, listen to that. I mean, you know, you may want to.
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Tyler Dunne
I've never been. I've never. Tell me, what's so beautiful? I mean, you're treating it like it's Rome or Paris or something. Come on. What's beautiful about Iowa? What am I missing?
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Colin Cowherd
Lakes. I saw one of the more beautiful sunsets of my life. Good. First of all, wheat in the right light can be beautiful. Come on.
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Tyler Dunne
By the way, I do have some friends who went to Iowa, so I'm not being negative on it. I just have not been to Iowa.
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Colin Cowherd
It's the parish of the Midwest.
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Tyler Dunne
Is that what they say?
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Colin Cowherd
That's what I say. So sometimes you see something, you see a stat or something and you're like, whoa, that can't be true. Right? That'll happen. Like even our staff or something, they'll see a stat and they'll be like, we gotta double check on that. Is Google right? Is chat GPT? Are we sure it's right? Where's. Is this getting too much of its data from Reddit? Like, what's going on here? Most consecutive games with fewer than 30 points. These are active. Current active streak. Andy Reid and Mahomes are on the list. I mean, obviously the Raiders, Bears and Jags are way up there, but yet Andy Reid and Mahomes are on that list. And I was thinking about this. So last year, I mean, we always knew this in baseball, when you have like back to back long playoff runs, they say fatigue sets into your arms on the pitching staff. So you may want to make some moves if you have these long, excessive playoff runs year after year after year. Maybe the Dodgers are having that problem this year. They've just asked so many big innings out of their pitchers. So Kansas City's going for a Third straight super bowl, right? And it's a lot of pressure and it's a lot of fatigue and it's a lot of intensity and it's a lot of drama. Is this the natural progression this year? The team just, it's tired. They don't have the juice. Remember when the Patriots were going for history? They wanted to be undefeated. Remember that year they lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl? But there was so much pressure. I remember at one point they, they. It was at the Eagles or the Ravens. They beat. Everybody was talking about officiating and it wasn't fair. And the league wants them to be, see, undefeated. And it was just every game after Thanksgiving felt like so much pressure for New England and you've got to beat the Giants and there's so much pressure. And they got to the super bowl and they were kind of flat and they didn't win a playoff game. That Patriot team, that stacked Patriot team, did not win a playoff game for three seasons after that. A lot of pressure and a lot of fatigue. That's the downside to history, is that you put all the chips in. Sometimes you're playing hurt, you make moves. I mean, in the NFL, it's understood if you win back to back Super Bowls or three, you're the greatest team, arguably the greatest dynasty ever. You are willing to, to give up chunks of your life to do that. And when I watch Kansas City this year, it is sometimes to me, they lack a little juice on both sides. You get more famous, everybody gets paid. There's distractions, there's fatigue, there's distractions. I don't know. They don't have a ton of juice. I think they'll beat the Giants this weekend, but I mean, it's one of those numbers that you look at and you're like, this can't be true. Most consecutive games with fewer than 30 points. Saints are tied. Saints, Chiefs, Texans, Jags. Yeah, it's the class they're in. All right, week three schedule. We have a great reporter coming on last hour, Robert Mays. You want to stick around for that? He's got all sorts of thoughts on the Bears and the Cowboys and more. So, week three schedule. I don't see a ton of upsets on the schedule. I don't think the Rams beating the Eagles rises to an upset. I don't understand where the line is. Not just two and a half to three. At three and a half, I am taking the. I am taking the Rams. I don't see a lot of upsets now that Jaden Daniels is out. If the Raiders beat Washington without Jaden Daniels, that doesn't rise to an upset. Cowboys Bears is a one point spread. So that Vegas is telling you if the Bears win, that's not an upset. I don't think Arizona, with all their injuries on the road, I think their bubble bursts. I don't think Detroit and that wouldn't qualify as an upset. Is there anything, I mean, is there anything you. We have one every single weekend. J. Mac we have one every single weekend. Where's the upset?
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Tyler Dunne
You know, two of them jump out. Tampa Bay is down. It looks like four offensive linemen. They've said Worfs will not play and they're coming off a short week. The Jet strength is what Colin the defensive front. There's a world I know it's Tyrod Taylor in for Justin Fields, but there's a world where the jets keep that close and interesting and Baker doesn't pull one out of you know where to end the game like he has the first two weeks. I, I would keep an eye on the Jets. The other one is that's fishy. And it's funny during the commercial break I said to you what's up with the Chargers? Why are they only favored by 2 1/2 against Denver? By the way, if the Chargers win this, they're three and oh in the division to start the season. That's huge because obviously Kansas City's reeling. Denver would start one and two. Casey, you know, would definitely be behind the eight ball Chargers. I think this is going to get to three and I, I may be going to this Chargers game on Sunday.
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Colin Cowherd
This could be the game of the weekend. It could be the game of the weekend. Two great coaches, two capable quarterbacks.
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Tyler Dunne
Just for the record, last year Chargers dominated them in the first game in Denver. It was Bo Nicks early. Second one was something of a shootout and the Chargers took over in the second half. I think they're just really good, man. I think they could be in the AFC championship.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. Yes. I mean Kansas City's pulled back Burrow's now out of it. I don't think you're Houston's not what we thought and by the way, Ravens, Bills, both those defenses back end question. Yeah Sus middle the Toyota certified used vehicle sales event is here. It is packed with great surprises. Choose from a wide selection of low mileage vehicles all backed by Toyota with warranties that begin on the date of purchase. Because when it comes to quality, the best new cars make the best used cars. So don't Miss your chance. Find your certified Toyota today. But hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd. Toyota Certified used Vehicle Sales event where every surprise is a great one. Inventory may vary by dealer. Participating dealers only. Comprehensive and powertrain are limited. Warranties. See TCUV warranty supplement ToyotaCertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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West West Prop
All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas, you understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here mandering all over the place. Hop out, boys. Snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamil Hill cuz she gonna keep it a century in America.
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Colin Cowherd
What sells in politics are narratives and storylines. It's like we treat politics like we treat sports, which is part of the reason why we're in the situation we're in right now.
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West West Prop
Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Hey everybody. Daniel Jeremiah here and I'm Bucky Brooks on Move to six. We take you inside the game. From breaking down college prospects and NFL.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
Rookies to evaluating team building philosophies, coaching trends, and how front offices construct winning rosters.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
We study the tape, talk to decision makers and give you a perspective you won't find anywhere else.
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Matt Jones and Drew Franklin
It's everything you need to understand the why behind what happens on Sundays.
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Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks
Don't miss it. Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
This is an iHeart podcast.