THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Herd Hierarchy, Lamar Jackson problems with the Chiefs, Nick Wright

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2 Summary

Date: September 30, 2025
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Main Guests: Nick Wright, Jason McIntyre

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Overview

This hour of “The Herd” centers on Colin Cowherd’s latest NFL Herd Hierarchy rankings, deep dives into team trajectories, a candid discussion on Lamar Jackson vs. Kansas City, quarterback development, and A.J. Brown’s place in Philadelphia. Colin is joined by Nick Wright and Jason McIntyre to unpack the biggest stories and the shifting landscape of the NFL just over a month into the season.

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Key Topics and Insights

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1. Herd Hierarchy: Week 5 NFL Top 10 Rankings

(04:00–09:30)

Colin reveals his weekly top 10 teams, focusing on roster strengths, key injuries, and coaching advantages. He emphasizes that defensive injuries and offensive line play are distinguishing legitimate contenders from teams off to slow starts.

Highlights:

• #10 Colts: “Most efficient offense in the league and they don’t make mistakes... If you have an offensive line this good and Jonathan Taylor, you’re going to make great quarterbacks sit and watch for long stretches.” (04:35)
• #9 Denver Broncos: “This roster is really good... They’re going to lead the NFL in sacks again.” (04:47)
• #8 Detroit Lions: “Jared Goff hasn’t been sacked in three games... Defensively, I don’t think they’re great, but they get after the quarterback.” (05:18)
• #7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: “Baker can be reckless... But I just, I like their spirit. And I’m going to put Tampa at number seven.” (05:53)
• #6 Seattle Seahawks: “Great road team... Sam Darnold leads the NFL in game-winning drives and big pass plays over the last two years.” (06:25)
• #5 Green Bay Packers: “They’re young, unlike Kansas City or Philadelphia. They don’t know yet how to put away inferior teams. But Jordan Love... he’s fine.” (07:19)
• #4 Kansas City Chiefs: “They have the number two scoring defense and they don’t give the ball away... I get a big-time defense, a great coach and quarterback, and they don’t give you the short field.” (08:11)
• #3 Los Angeles Rams: “What’s amazing is how good their defense is. And they don’t pay any of them. They’ve hit on so many draft picks.” (08:40)
• #2 Buffalo Bills: “You can’t ask Josh [Allen] to be Superman every week. He no longer is... Actually lead the NFL right now in rushing.” (09:16)
• #1 Philadelphia Eagles: “Every time I doubt Jalen Hurts, he turns it on... Best roster that does a lot of things well.” (09:29)

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2. Chiefs, Lamar Jackson, and Playoff Pressure

(10:21–14:32)

Nick Wright joins to celebrate Kansas City's return to the top hierarchy and addresses the ongoing narrative: Does Lamar Jackson have a mental block against the Chiefs?

Nick Wright:

• “The Chiefs are in Lamar’s head and he doesn’t perform well in big spots... He’s transcendent through a regular season... Then in a big spot, he plays his worst game of the year.” (11:18)
• “In his last 30 games, Lamar has three multi-turnover games: AFC title against the Chiefs, the divisional round against Buffalo, and Sunday against the Chiefs... Against Patrick, he has an 80 passer rating and is 1 in 6.” (13:15)
• “What I don’t understand is why it is so hard for people to acknowledge that is the case with Lamar.”

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3. Caleb Williams and ‘Layup’ Quarterbacking

(14:32–17:23)

Colin compares the steadiness of Mahomes and Steph Curry to young QBs like Caleb Williams, who can hit home runs but sometimes miss the easy plays.

Colin:

• “Steph Curry and Patrick Mahomes... never miss the layups—the stuff in the flat. Cam Newton was spectacular. He missed a lot of layups.” (14:32)

Nick Wright:

• “If I am getting a quarterback who could be my franchise quarterback... I would go option B [higher ceiling, layups a work in progress] because I feel like that stuff can get better over time.” (15:29)

• “That’s what Josh Allen was as a young player—these wow plays but couldn’t, you know, was very inaccurate, couldn’t complete his passes and then got better at that stuff.” (17:03)

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4. Cowboys–Packers Micah Parsons Trade Reflection

(17:23–20:41)

Colin and Nick disagree on the Cowboys' decision to deal Micah Parsons.

Colin:

• “I think you have to be great at three things to be a great team: head coach, quarterback, and left tackle... The only times Mahomes has ever gotten blown out, it’s a left tackle issue, not a defense.” (17:34)

Nick Wright:

• “I have actually, I watched Dallas play, Colin, and I think I come to the opposite opinion of you... If they could just be average on defense, they could be really interesting... Their offense has been so good... They could use an elite pass rusher, which they used to have.” (19:12)

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5. A.J. Brown’s Legacy and Potential Trade

(20:41–26:25)

The hosts discuss whether it’s fair for star receivers like A.J. Brown to want a bigger role elsewhere once they've won a ring and secured their earnings.

Colin:

• “A.J. Brown gets fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills tight end... If I was A.J. Brown... I would go and just say, ‘Hey, I don’t want to be here, make a deal.’ I think A.J. Brown has a right to leave.” (21:00)

Nick Wright:

• “I totally agree with you... If you feel like you’re great at something and you’re not able to show it—and it’s not because your skills have declined—it can be frustrating... I think this is a simmering, simmering pot.” (22:30)
• “He wants to be a dominant individual player and he feels correctly that will help his team.” (25:40)

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6. Rapid-Fire NFL Hot Topics (with Jason McIntyre)

(31:24–41:15)

a. Monday Night Doubleheader & Team Disadvantages (31:24–32:26)

Colin dislikes the impact of two Monday games for player rest/prep:
“I think anytime you shorten a week for a team... that hurts teams going into next week when they are one day shy.” (31:24)

b. Tyreek Hill Injury Fallout (32:29–35:50)

• Tyreek Hill’s ACL injury is likely career-altering:
  “He’s not a Hall of Famer, but he’s an exceptional athlete... I would have moved him last year. He publicly criticized his coach and his quarterback.” (33:15)

• Dolphins QB dilemma:
  “This is a great quarterback draft class. I would go and find my next quarterback and I would move Tua... I don’t think Tua in the AFC is the answer in January.” (34:07)

c. Tua vs. Kyler Murray (35:00–35:50)

Colin prefers Kyler for his rare athleticism:
“I think Kyler is an elite athlete. I don’t think Tua is... I would take Kyler.” (35:00)

d. Travis Kelce and Load Management (36:03–38:20)

Travis Kelce’s snap counts are down; Colin supports the Chiefs’ approach.
“Last year of a legendary player who could make big plays in big games? Yes.” (37:34)

e. Baker Mayfield vs. Sam Darnold (40:25–40:55)

Colin sees more athletic upside in Darnold but trusts Baker’s late-game history:
“Sam is more athletic... but history tells you Baker.” (40:55)

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7. Final Takeaways and Week 5 Preview

(45:33–50:33)

a. Early Playoff Picture & AFC/NFC Outlook (45:33–48:03)

Colin predicts this season’s playoff race is already taking shape: “It doesn’t take a long time for excellence to surface... If you look at the AFC and NFC playoff teams today, I think this is mostly what it’s going to look like.” (45:33)

b. Week 5 Upset Watch (48:03–50:05)

Colin’s “lock” is the Rams over the 49ers and likes the Colts to cover. He and Jason debate Jacksonville’s inconsistency.

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Notable Quotes

• Nick Wright on Lamar Jackson’s Playoff Performance:

  “He gets a little tight in big spots. He doesn’t play his best in the biggest moments.” (13:43)

• Colin Cowherd on Jalen Hurts and Philly's Roster:

  “Every time I doubt Jalen Hurts, he turns it on... their roster is stacked and every time I doubt Jalen Hurts, he turns it on. So I think there’s something about his kind of personality and his toughness and his resilience.” (09:29)

• Nick Wright on A.J. Brown:

  “If you feel like you’re great at something and you feel like you’re not able to show it and it’s not because your skills have declined, it can be frustrating... This is a simmering, simmering pot.” (22:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Herd Hierarchy Top 10: 04:00–09:30
• Chiefs & Lamar Jackson Debate (Nick Wright): 10:21–14:32
• Caleb Williams, Layups & QB Ceiling: 14:32–17:23
• Micah Parsons Trade Debate: 17:23–20:41
• A.J. Brown Future: 20:41–26:25
• NFL News Roundup w/ Jason McIntyre (Tyreek Hill, Tua, Kelce, Load Management): 31:24–41:15
• Week 5 Playoff Outlook and Gambling Notes: 45:33–50:33

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Tone & Style

Engaging and conversational, with Colin driving strong opinions and layered analysis, Nick Wright providing sharp, context-driven counterpoints, and J. Mac injecting news and pointed questions. The tone is witty, direct, and sometimes confrontational—matching the original broadcast.

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Conclusion

Hour 2 of “The Herd” delivers a sharp, entertaining snapshot of the NFL’s most interesting storylines: midseason recalibrations, the nuance of elite quarterback play under pressure, player value beyond the box score, and controversy around load management. Fans get both the big-picture view (playoff race projections, quarterback debates) and the granular detail (team depth, snap counts, and matchups) that define early October football.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[J. Mac]

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

[Colin Cowherd]

Here we go. It's hour two. It's a Tuesday. We are live. Baseball playoffs start tonight. Big Big Cubs, San Diego Padres lead it off this afternoon. That's the big headline game. And then tonight, Dodgers, Reds, Yankees, Red Sox, J. Mac heard hierarchy. I'm very excited for it. I do think it's hard to fool people. There are some exceptions. Right now. Minnesota and the Chargers off defensive lines are a mess. So I think those teams are both better than what you saw this weekend. I think Baltimore, Kansas City's in Lamar's head, but I think the defense is actually better than what you're seeing. So we have three teams that have major injury cluster, injury problems. Baltimore, Vikings, Chargers. But I do. And they're better than what you've seen in those units. But I gotta tell you, I kind of feel like I know what I know and I see what I see at this point. And there's. There's a lot of truth.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah, but Colin, I. I just counted during the break. There's five teams with a winning record in the AFC and seven in the NFC. So essentially there's only 12 really good teams in the league. This is going to be the easy, easiest herd hierarchy you've ever done, Right?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, here we go on a Tuesday. Let's. Let's roll it.

[J. Mac]

Herd hierarchy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Time is now. Let's go.

[J. Mac]

The top 10 NFL teams according to college.

[Colin Cowherd]

Number 10, the Colts. I love their offensive line and their skill. Offensively, they had the game and lost it against the Rams. They have the most efficient offense in the league and they don't make mistakes. You can't get the Daniel Jones. Do I think he's great? No, but he's playing like a B quarterback with, you know, decent arm moves. Well, again, Jonathan Taylor. This offensive line, I mean, the Denver Broncos pass rush struggled to get to Daniel Jones. If you have an offensive line this good and Jonathan Taylor, you're going to make great quarterbacks sit and watch for long stretches. I have the Colts at 10.

[J. Mac]

Number nine, Denver.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sean Payton has a career.500 record in September. Even with Drew Brees and Bo Nix, it's ugly early. This roster is really good. They're going to lead the NFL in sacks again. Two good running backs, excellent O line. Hard to get to Bo Nixon, who throws the ball down the field. They take big swings. They got a lot of guys who can run and catch a lot. Dobbins and Harvey and Mims and Franklin and Cortland Sutton. This is a really deep offensive team that also leads the league in sacks. Denver nine, number eight, Detroit. Take out game one against Green Bay with the new coordinators Jared Goffs completing 74% of his throws this year. Road graders up front, excellent backfield. I mean, Jared Goff hasn't been sacked in three games, so he may be better at home. He may need protection to be great. Well, he's getting it with a great run game. Defensively, I don't think they're great, but they get after the quarterback. Only Denver gets to the quarterback more. I have the Lions at 8.

[J. Mac]

Number 7.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's hard to figure out what Tampa is. I mean, they're three and one. They're in every game. But the problem is they're in in every game late. They don't put anybody away. And you know, Baker can be reckless. He is very good throwing the ball down the field. In fact, he leads the NFL right now. Five TDs, no interceptions on throws, 20 plus. He's a risk taker, a mecca. Abuka is a star. They got a lot of injuries to deal with, but I just, I like their spirit. And I'm going to put Tampa at number seven.

[J. Mac]

Number six.

[Colin Cowherd]

This was my team that I thought was underrated. I think they're going to be a playoff team. Seattle, second best point differential in the league. They're a great road team. They've won eight straight road games. I think that speaks to their character and their talent. Sam Darnold again leads the NFL in game winning drives and big pass plays over the last two years and second in wins. Sam's always been elite in high school at usc, at Minnesota and Seattle. Who wins with the jets in Carolina. This team may be too young to get to a Super bowl, but opposing quarterbacks this year have a 76 passer rating against them. They're legit number five. Youngest team in the league, Green Bay. I like them. They scored on all five drives in the second half in overtime against the Cowboys. They're young, unlike Kansas City or Philadelphia. They don't know yet how to put away inferior teams. But Jordan love this year. Eight tutties, one pick and 113 passer rating. He's fine. They're great on third down. It's just they're young. Third straight season, youngest roster. And that's the value of the playoffs for the great teams. They know how to win games. They don't play well. Green Bay doesn't.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yet.

[Colin Cowherd]

Number four, Kansas City. I kept saying all week, Xavier Worthy matters. He not only stretches the field, he gives them some volume at wide receiver. Now you're going to have Rasheed Rice in three weeks. Worthy Juju Smith Schusters a three. Somebody else will be A four Travis Kelsey. No, they're not going to be a great run team unless they make a move at the trade deadline and that worries me. But over the last three weeks they have the number two scoring defense and they don't give the ball away. That's why Buffalo is so dangerous and Philadelphia can be dangerous and Kansas City, they don't give you the ball. So I get, I get a big time defense, a great coach and quarterback and they don't give you the short field to Kansas City four, number three. But I think the Rams, I'm not sure their weakness, everything's good. I mean their offensive line is indominant. But Matt Stafford, highest graded passer in the league, Pukinakua. Right now he's the best wide receiver in the league. I could read you nine stats. He leads top 10 in scoring defense. I mean it's what's amazing is how good their defense is. And they don't pay any of them. They've hit on so many draft picks. They remind me of Kansas City's defense two years ago. It was great and they weren't paying anybody but Chris Jones. So coach quarterback, defense, lot of wisdom. I have met three number two Bills. The defense worries me and could be their shortcoming. But like Kansas City, they don't give the ball away. James Cook has taken off the heavy lifting for Josh Allen. There are games he doesn't have to carry it. Highest rushing grade in the league is James Cook. One giveaway in nine games, including the playoffs. They actually lead the NFL right now in rushing. And that's what we said for years. You can't ask Josh to be Superman every week. He no longer is Buffalo at two.

[J. Mac]

Number one.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, I mean they even do a good job blocking kicks. They're uneven. I do think they have too many really bad halves. First half against the Rams, second half against the Bucks. But the roster is stacked and every time I doubt Jalen hurts, he turns it on. So I think there's something about his kind of personality and his toughness and his resilience. They're the best two yard team in league history. They block kicks. It's just not a lot. They're very good situationally. So for now, best roster that does a lot of things well. Number one. Yes. Kansas City made a big leap. As our next guest will point to. I'm probably right on that. I regretted doing it. I wanted to sneak him at 7 and 8. But Nick Wright joins us live and I, and I want to. I start with this. I generally don't take 11 to 4. Oh, sorry.

[Nick Wright]

Says, nice to see the Chiefs back on the herd hierarchy. I was celebrating. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead. You were saying 11 to 4. I'm sorry, I don't do it.

[Colin Cowherd]

But the truth is, you've got to be honest about this is they just needed one legitimate big time perimeter threat. They did. And suddenly everybody else looks good and all the underneath. But the bigger story is that I never buy into this. I've always said this. You can go into slumps with golf. So much downtime gets in your head or baseball sitting around. But in hockey, basketball, football, you gotta play. You don't have time to get into a slump. Stuff doesn't get into your head. And then I watch Lamar against Kansas City and I am convinced they are in his head. Right?

[Nick Wright]

Well. Well, to a degree, yes, but. So there's a lot to unpack here, Colin. So let me take some time because you are. I even saw your tweet saying, I tried to tell J. Mac about when Xavier Worthy came back. And listen, I'm all for you giving J. Mac a hard time for his chief skepticism, but I watched the super bowl bubble on Friday's episode. You know who wasn't even in the bubble for the bubble? The Chiefs. Exactly. And you knew Xavier Worthy was coming back, so you didn't even make it to October before you had to admit your Chiefs pessimism was unfounded. And by the way, where. Where is the greatest coach quarterback combo in Southern California history? The Los Angeles Chargers. Oh, no. They're dealing with an injury now. They're all of a sudden not a top 10 team, but to the Ravens, which is. I know where you wanted to go. I just need to get that off my chest. All right, listen, the Chiefs are in Lamar's head and he doesn't perform well in big spots. It's just, I don't. We do this same exact dance, we in the media every year with this player. He is transcendent through a regular season. People say he's taken his game to a new level. He wins or comes close to winning an mvp. He's the highest rated passer ever. He's all of this then in a big spot, he plays his worst game of the year. Everyone for a moment is like, kind of reminds me a bit of a guy who used to play shooting guard in Houston that we all thought was an all time great, but tightened up in big spots and couldn't get it done. And then we forget and it goes all over again. In the last 30 games, Colin Lamar has two, I'm sorry, three multi turnover games in his last 30. The AFC title game against the Chiefs, the divisional round playoff game against Buffalo, and Sunday against the Chiefs. He has the highest passer rating in NFL history and the third highest winning percentage in NFL history. Yet against Patrick, he has an 80 passer rating and is 1 in 6. People don't want for some reason to admit that Lamar is afflicted by something that has afflicted great athletes across all of sports history. He gets a little tight in big spots. He doesn't play his best in the biggest moments. I don't. We have. We have no problem. The baseball playoffs are about to start. Everybody acknowledges Aaron Judge is one of the greatest players of all time. Yet he comes up up to this point in his career, consistently short in the postseason, plays his worst ball in the biggest moments and you wonder if he'll get over it. We did it with James Harden. What I don't understand why it is so hard for people to acknowledge that is the case with Lamar. And by the way, you saw it in this game. He's instantly throwing his helmet. He's instantly on tilt like it just is what it is. Maybe he'll get over it, but I. It's a big sample size at this point, so.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, it's interesting with Caleb Williams is that one of the things I've always bragged about Steph Curry and Patrick Mahomes is they're spectacular, but they never miss the layups, the stuff in the flat. I mean they don't miss the layups, spectacle and a lot of guys. Cam Newton was spectacular. He missed a lot of layups. His mechanics were bad. Caleb Williams makes big time throws. Justin Fields is talented, never does. Dinkin. Done. Caleb makes big throws down the field and I do honestly believe he's running less than he could. You can tell he's taking to coaching, but I am worried a little bit that they had three picks off Gino and needed a block kick because the operations, the layup stuff, Nick, it's hard to watch false starts on fourth down. Like I'm cut. I'm like, this stuff didn't seem hard for Mahomes or Steph. No, it's just, it's not pretty, right?

[Nick Wright]

No. So that, listen, I think that's totally fair. Where I would. And I don't know if you and I agree or disagree on this, but if I am trying to, if I am getting a quarterback who could be my franchise quarterback and you're like, listen, he's not a Perfect prospect. Would you rather prospect A or B, a guy who, you know, makes all the layups, has all the process stuff down, but has a pretty hard ceiling on what the upside is? Or a guy like Caleb, whose ceiling is. He could be MVP of the league, can make the fantastic amazing plays, but what's the layups, as you put it, is a work in progress. I would go option B because I feel like that stuff can get better over time. But I don't think it's going to be overnight. I do think it's going to be overtime. I do. And I listen. I was wrong about that. Obviously. I thought it was going to be overnight. I picked them to go to the super bowl last year. He is not as far along from his in the fundamentals, the building blocks as I thought he would be. But I listen, he's a very different player and I'm not, I'm only comping it in this one way as far as being far away on the fundamentals. That's what Josh Allen was as a young player. Josh had these wow plays but couldn't, you know, was very inaccurate, couldn't complete his passes and then got better at that stuff. And so I, I like betting on the upside, but I agree with you in this regard. Right now the Bears are a team who can look absolutely amazing for a quarter and then the very next quarter look like the worst offense in the league. And I think that's going to be a process over the course of the year.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think the Josh Allen comp is. I mean, it's very accurate. Like Josh's first year and a half, he was jumping over linebackers and sailing balls on screen passes.

[Nick Wright]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I, it was, it was interesting. You and I have been very critical of Cowboys. I think Dax playing out of his mind and Schottenheimer deserves credit. But I, I thought the overreaction to the Micah trade was over the top. I think you have to be great at three things to be a great team. Head coach, quarterback and left tackle. The only times Mahomes has ever gotten blown out. It's a left tackle issue. It's not a defense. He's won a Super bowl with a bad defense. He's won a Super bowl with no great receivers. Bad left tackle, blown out twice. The Rams worst year is Andrew Whitworth retires. They were good when Aaron Donald left. They were good when Cooper cup left. They're good when Von Miller left. Andrew Whitworth retires. They're bad. And I, you know, I look at Micah and I'M like, the packers are going to lead games late with their offense. They need a closer. Dallas is fine. I mean, I look back at it and I'm like, I think Jerry Jones was. We're, we're so unwilling to give him credit. I watched that game Sunday. I'm like, I get four first round picks in Dallas. What did Micah do? Where are you on that deal?

[Nick Wright]

Okay, well, first of all, I think you've let Jerry mind meld you a bit because the four first round picks, they got two. They already had two. So like they. So like the two first round picks. And I think it is. It would be unfair, Colin, for me to judge the trade fully from the Dallas end until we see the picks, right? Like they traded for Kenny Clark and picks that they haven't used yet. So obviously in the short term it's going to look better for Green Bay and then we have to take a long view of it for Dallas. But I have actually, I watched Dallas play, Colin, and I think I come to the opposite opinion of you because, because I've been so impressed by Dak because I have been pleasantly surprised. Shout out to, you know, FS1's Eric Mangini, who really believed in Brian Schottenheimer when I don't think anybody really thought that was a great hire. I think he's done an awesome job early on. But that has made me like this trade worse, Colin, because I watched the Cowboys and I'm like, my God, if they just could be average on defense, they could be really interesting. They just put 40 on Green Bay without CD Lamb. They damn near beat the Packers. You know, they, they, they had. Their offense has been so good that I watched the Cowboys and I'm like, man, you know what? They could use an elite pass rusher, which they used to have. Like, I almost would feel better about this trade for Dallas if Dak were having a bad year, because to me then it would be like, okay, they weren't that close. They weren't going to compete for anything this year. So let's re, you know, retool it. But it feels to me like this team would be three and one had they just kept Micah and be an actual dangerous team. So that for me makes it harder to deal with if I were a Cowboys fan.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I J. Mack and I had a disagreement on this. I said, you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor, in most careers you got about 25 years of prime and you can work to your 70s. You can't as a pro football player. And so A.J. brown and I do think winning matters, but he's already got a trophy. I do think if you went to Kobe and said, listen, you get six shots a game, Kobe would have been like, peace out. I'm going to go somewhere else. A.J. brown gets fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills tight end. He's got money and he's got a trophy. His legacy is on the line. He's not necessary. They try to target him 9 target 7 yards. Most of the time he's just not. And I think if I was A.J. brown, this sounds selfish, but I think pro athletes get cornered into. Well, it's about winning games. Well, that's part of it. And it's, it's transformational money and there's legacies involved. And my take is, if I was A.J. brown, I'd go to Philadelphia and I'd say quietly, I'm not going to screw the market up. I'm not going to do a mellow with the Nuggets to the Knicks, where I make it public and the Knicks, the Nuggets are trapped. Yeah, I would go and just say, hey, Lu. Al Senner did this a year before he got traded. I don't want to be here. Make a deal. I think A.J. brown has a right to leave. I am defending him, not staying with a better organization. Am I wrong?

[Nick Wright]

No. I mean, I totally agree with you. I think that it is. It would be hypocritical for me to be mad at A.J. brown for acting. I'm pretty sure exactly how I would act in his position. Like, I'd be like, if I'm A.J. brown, I'm like, I'm awesome. I've always been awesome. I get drafted by a team that has Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry and they throw to me as like a last resort. I think it traded to Philadelphia right when I get there, they throw the ball to me a bunch. I make all these all pros. The team's really good. And now over the last 20 games, our team has become unbeatable and I've become unusable. Like, what the hell has happened here? And so I, this is like, I try to give grace to, you know, athletes. If I'm, if I can think of a, you know, a comp for me and what I would do, like if somebody, if Fox came to me and they're like, hey, Nick, we want you to do a 60 second essay during the Super Bowl. There's going to be 100 million, 220 million people watching. Now, in order to do it the whole week leading up to the super bowl, you can't do your show, but we'll have more people seeing you there. It's a bigger thing. I. I'd probably in my head be like, yeah, I kind of want to do my show. Like, I kind of like the. And so like the. I think there is. If you feel like you're great at something and you feel like you're not able to show it and it's not because your skills have declined, it can be frustrating. And so I, I think this is a simmering, simmering pot. Colin, that the. They are very. And I give the Eagles, I think it's fair to have them number one hierarchy because I respect the fact that they win so many different ways. They blocked the field goal two weeks ago to win the game. They blocked a punt this week to set the game up to win. But there have been. I did this this morning. There have been 256 halves of football played so far this year. The worst and second worst passing performance by half for the whole league this season was the first half for Philadelphia two weeks ago and the second half for Philadelphia this past week. That should never happen when you have a really good quarterback, a great wide receiver, another really good receiver, a good receiving back and a good tight end. Something is off right now about their offense, but they're winning anyway. If they're not going to change that, then I would not begrudge If I. If A.J. brown were like, hey, you know, a team that wants to throw the ball, that needs a star receiver, that. That my former head coach is the head coach of in New England. Why don't you see if you can work something out? And if you're Philly, he might be worth more to you in draft capital as your roster gets more expensive than he is on the team because they're not effectively using him.

[Colin Cowherd]

D. You, you and I agree on that. And I and I, we. I think it's very easy in the media to always say, oh, the player is not about winning. It'd be one thing if he didn't have a ring. But once you get the trophy and you've got the money, legacy matters. It. Absolutely.

[Nick Wright]

He's trying to make the hall of Fame. The guy's trying to make the hall of Fame. Like. And he put. And I referenced this last time we talked about this. I'm just going to reference it again. He told the world three days after the super bowl, he put on Instagram. I wondered how long winning a Super bowl would make me feel good. The answer is about two days. And then he said, I play this game to see the demoralized defensive back who realizes they can't do anything with me. He's been very honest. He wants to be a dominant individual player and he feels correctly that will help his team. It's not like that's going to hurt his team. And if I were him, I'd be frustrated too.

[Colin Cowherd]

Good stuff. Nick wright Chargers are 11 it should be noted the Chiefs were 11 last week.

[Nick Wright]

I'm oh yeah, who knows? Knows Chargers could do it. Listen, not everybody. Colin can. Not every AFC west team can go to the Meadowlands and get a win. Mine can. I don't know about you guys, but mine can do it. See you later, buddy.

[J. Mac]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Baseball playoffs, Ryder cup wasn't great for us. College football was Nuts. Rams, Niners. I don't like the two Monday Night Football games. I think it's bad quality. I don't get it. I think anytime you shorten a week for a team. So now the Dolphins and the jets and the Bengals and Denver, Denver's got the coach and the quarterback and the, the depth of roster to handle it. But then that hurts teams going into next week when they are one day shy. I mean, like New York's got to fly back and Cincinnati's got to fly back.

[Jason McIntyre]

Is.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think the more times you ask teams to play on different days, then you get less prepared teams. Also, athletes tend to get injured when there's muscle fatigue. So you're asking players to play on shorter weeks. Listen, if you want to do all these international games, I get it. I'm. I am not a fan of. I mean, I. Nothing against Thursday night. I've defended it. But I don't think you get the best football and you never get the best football when you got these multiple Monday night games. J. Mac with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news.

[J. Mac]

This is the Herd line news.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, Colin, Some not great news to report on Tyreek Hill. It's official. His season is over. He has a dislocated knee. Adam Schefter reported that he tore multiple ligaments, including his acl. Just a gruesome injury. And unfortunately people are already saying, like, is this the end for Tyreek Hill? Like, not just the season, Colin, but career. This is a guy who's obviously his entire career predicated on speed. He's 31, turns 32 in March. I'm sure. I don't know if you know this, Odell Beckham's not even in the league anymore. Obviously Tyreek had an exceptional career. I don't know about hall of Famer, but it was a first team all pro five times, which, which is bolstering his case.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's not a Hall of Famer, but he's an exceptional athlete. And you know, I mean, we had talked about this, I would have moved him Last year. He publicly criticized his coach and his quarterback. I don't think with a weak arm quarterback you can win in the AFC when you have to go to Baltimore and Kansas City and Cincinnati and. And now New England's going to be good again. Like all the good teams in the AFC got, got some domes out, you know, in the nfc you got, Detroit's really good, there's a dome, and L. A is really good. And you're playing indoors and a lot of Outdoor weather with. With Tua very limiting and he's a deep threat and those kind of evaporate in the postseason. So I would have moved him, but now there's there'.

[Jason McIntyre]

If you want to zoom out for a moment on the Dolphins, they seem to be at a breaking point. What do they do? I mean, do you ride with Tua? Like, Jalen Waddle now gets elevated. He's not a one is a good receiver.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is a great quarterback draft class. I would go and find my next quarterback and I would move to. And he absolutely has a market. If you put two in a dome team or a warm weather team, you could go. If Carolina is like, yeah, the Bryce Young thing doesn't work, or I think two has got a market. I don't think it's a huge market, but he's got something. But I don't think in the afc, I mean, look at your best teams now. So New England's going to be a real deal and Buffalo's real deal and Baltimore. And this year Pittsburgh could win their division in Cincinnati when Joe Burrow gets back and you start looking around. I mean, I guess the Colts and the Southern divisions have warmer weather, but I start looking around. Denver's now good, Kansas City's good. I just don't think TUA in the AFC is the answer in January.

[Jason McIntyre]

He's an interesting discussion because Colin, I'm going to just throw one at you randomly. Who do you think has had a better career, Kyler Murray or Tua Tugavello?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think Kyler is an elite athlete. I don't think TUA is. So Kyler gives me something, a trait that's elite.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, doesn't Tua's elite trait qualify as like, the Drew Brees quick release stuff? Read and react, instant first read quickly. Like that's what he was coming out of college. We've seen it. He, he got to the playoffs. He had them in line for the playoffs and got hurt. They made the playoffs.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, like, I would take Kyler over to him. I think he's a special athlete. I think both are small, both have been dinged up. But if you're asking me my choice, I would take Kyler.

[Jason McIntyre]

So you say TUA has a market. Let's say the Saints end up with like the fourth pick overall, they're not going to get a quarterback. Do you say, you know what, let's go get Tua and quickly rebuild this thing. We got Olave, you know, we, we got some pieces maybe in a crap division. We've Got a shot to do something.

[Colin Cowherd]

Two is worth a third and a fifth, not a first.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, with that, with that contract, I mean he got paid.

[Colin Cowherd]

I gotta pay him. I'll give you one good pick or a couple average ones. I'll give you two fours. I gotta pay him. So I think that there's a market, but it's not a great one.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay. Bummer about Tyree Kill. Let's move on to the Kansas City Chiefs. Colin, they have won back to back games. I mean so impressive beating the G men with Russell Wilson. Nick just felt like not mentioning it was Russell Wilson, not Jackson Dart. And then beating a beat up Ravens team. Hooray. But what's interesting here is Travis Kelce. Colin, our staff has dug into this and they are officially load managing Travis Kelce. His offensive snap percentage, week one, 83%. Week two, 76. Then down to 73. Week four against the Ravens now was a blowout. 65% they should. He's doing nothing. His numbers, I mean like I know you play fantasy football heavily. He's like probably a waiver wire tight end at this point. I'm not even kidding. He's not a top 10 tight end in the league. His numbers prove that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, he's.

[Jason McIntyre]

And now he's not barely playing.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's a first ballot hall of Famer. This is his last year. And I think Kansas City smartly is saying, listen, it's just like in baseball. You know, the Dodgers had a lot of pitching injuries. You try to save the guys for October, you try to save them for a big series, a leverage game in late September. I think this is exactly what you do. You see this in baseball all the time. Like we've got an aging star, we need him for a key playoff start. And I think that's what you do.

[Jason McIntyre]

I just want to make sure the audience heard you correctly. You're pro load management now in the.

[Colin Cowherd]

Last year of a legendary player who could make big plays in big games. Yes.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, so when we talk LeBron load managing with the Lakers, I want this same energy. Yes. LeBron load manage. Right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Said for years. I said LeBron should be playing 68 games, not 82. I've been on that for years.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm a load management guy now. I also believe it for guys who are a little younger than last year in the league. Like if all of a sudden you told me Christian McCaffrey was going to start load managing, I'm pro that. Are you with a Christian McCaffrey?

[Colin Cowherd]

I even, I even say this with young Centers like Chet Holmgren. I'm like he should play 60 or 55 games for two years. Wemby.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm like I don't want him playing that body type. I want 53, 63, 73. And that's all he's ever going to play.

[Jason McIntyre]

I love it.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I am not anti load management. Kawhi calls the organization driving in at 4. I'm not going to make it. He's never available in my opinion. But I don't like if Christian McAffrey I would and I a big believer in this. I would have a 14 to 16 touch limit.

[Jason McIntyre]

Oh, well then the ners are they're losing a lot of games, I think. Saquon. Saquon Barkley coming off last season. 4, 482 touches last season for Barkley. That's insane. He doesn't have the same juice that he had last year.

[Colin Cowherd]

No.

[Jason McIntyre]

Are you watching?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes.

[Jason McIntyre]

They got to rest. Final story. Colin. Let's go to Tampa Bay. They were lucky in late game scenarios for the 30 start. Then it came up short against the Eagles. Todd Bowles big game this week. Bucks at Seahawks. Ooh, that's good. Todd Bowles knows his team cannot continue to play from behind the fight.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're gonna have that every week. But you can't fight and get behind the eight ball against good teams and expect to win. So we're always gonna have fight. We just gotta clean up mistakes now it's getting to that point where we got to cut him down.

[Nick Wright]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think everybody knows what Tampa is a good team, not a great one. And that's fine.

[Jason McIntyre]

You can't. I I good. They, they're dangerous in the playoffs once they get everybody back. Remember, no Mike Evans. Right. But this Seattle team, hey, I got to give. I'm loath to give you credit. Right. Because you know, you're Colin, whatever.

[Colin Cowherd]

Seattle is younger. Seattle's got. When you watch Seattle play young, fast, mostly inexpensive like Seattle has been put together very well. They're really, really. I mean they're, they're a bungled fumble from being undefeated. And they remember they went to Pittsburgh and hammered a Steeler team that keeps.

[Jason McIntyre]

Winning games post game late in the second half. But yes. So Seattle, Tampa, I'm seeing three. I don't think that sticks. I think we're going to see a three and a half. I am curious if you had a question about this quarterback situation. Sam Darnold versus Baker Mayfield. Who right now is the better quarterback going into this game?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, they're both I mean, Sam is more athletic. He's a bigger, stronger athlete. And Baker, I think just from the pocket when he plants his foot, probably throws a prettier, quicker release ball. They're both excellent. They're both team friendly deals. I can like them both. I've always said Sam's bigger. I think Sam is a better athlete. Sam can be reckless, but Baker can be reckless. I want both of them throwing about 28 times a game.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, fine. Let me adjust the question. 2 minutes left. Tie game. Who do you trust more with the ball, Baker or Darnold?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, history tells you Baker, but now here, here's my thing. Most games don't come down to that. If I get a series, a big series in the third quarter, first quarter, second quarter, and I need playmaking, which you often do, I would take Sam J. Mac with a new well, that's the news.

[J. Mac]

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[Colin Cowherd]

It doesn't take a long time for excellence to surface, so we're a Month into the season, it goes 17 games. We're not even a quarter of the way into the season. And right now, if you look at the AFC and NFC playoff teams today, I think this is mostly what it's going to look like. In the afc you have Buffalo, Chargers, Indy and Pittsburgh and Kansas City. I don't think Jacksonville and Cincinnati will maintain their playoff spot. I would pick Denver and New England. So I think, I think five of the seven will remain. I think in the NFC it goes Philadelphia, Niners, Detroit, Tampa, Seattle, Rams, Green, Green Bay, Washington. I think if Jaden Daniels gets healthy, will make it. I don't buy into San Francisco. I don't think they have the roster or the quarterback of Seattle. I don't think they have the roster or the quarterback of the Rams. I think San Francisco, as predicted, will finish third. But a lot of this stuff, we're a month in. I mean Cincinnati obviously is not going to be a playoff team. They were, you know, but it does not take long for, you know, it's hard to pick games when you add lines. Like I know the Colts are going to beat the Raiders. Are they going to beat him by six and a half? I think they are. You add lines, you make picks. I had a winning week. Don't always. That's tough picking divisions. I said this five years ago. I bang on it every year. The more reliant the league is with quarterbacks, the easier it is. It's becoming the NBA. A month in, you know who can play. Baltimore sun reporter Brian Wacker says Lamar Jackson probably misses Sunday's game with a Texans hamstring injury. All right, here's the schedule for week five. I've already got my two favorite games. I have a game, an upset game to keep your eye on. If I could bet the Rams at home against San Francisco in the blazing five, I would. I think LA wins. Keep your eye on the Saints at home in the New York Giants as a possible upset. My lock is the Rams. I also love the Colts at home against the Raiders. Minus six and a half. I think the Saints are a very tasty upset potential. And keep your eyes New England at Buffalo a little upset alert. That game will be close. J Mac, what jumps out? Do you have a lock and an upset?

[Jason McIntyre]

A lot of stuff. Number one, the Saints are favored over the Giants. They are now that is a shocker. I was pick them. Now I see minus one. I'm looking at Monday night. Colin. So remember last week at this time we're like oh my gosh, how good Are the Chargers. They're loaded. They go and kind of sort of lay an egg. Okay. Everybody's gassing up. The Chiefs, they got Xavier Worthy back. This is a new team. They just smashed the Ravens. They're in the herd hierarchy. Jags at home Monday night getting a field goal.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Can I interest you in Jacksonville?

[Colin Cowherd]

No, Jacksonville. I watched Jacksonville against San Francisco. They are so mistake prone. They're. They're so weird, culturally. Is that Kansas City does one thing well. Really well. They don't turn the ball over. If you beat them, you beat them. I do think it'll be interesting because I think Jacksonville's got real talent atn that running back. I mean, they. They got playmakers. I mean, Travis Hunter. You know what's funny about that game? Jacksonville is not interesting to most people, but Travis Hunter, he's not dominating as a receiver or a corner. Pick a lane. We said that before the draft. Pick a lane. What are you going to do? He's just an. He's just a really good athlete. It's the NFL. Everybody's a good athlete. I mean, the whole league's full of great athletes.

[Jason McIntyre]

I think so. My Atlanta Falcons are not on the board. I don't have to bet them this week, thankfully. Arizona favored by like 8, 9, 10. It's going up against the Titans.

[Colin Cowherd]

I love them. I really like them. Can I. Can I say this? What happens if Darnold beats Baker?

[Jason McIntyre]

Nothing.

[Colin Cowherd]

Hey, now, I'm just saying for. For, you know, my stance on this now. I do think Baker's really good. I've always said I thought Darnold was the more natural talent. What if old?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Sammy Darnold.

[Jason McIntyre]

I know you love Sam, so Colin, the gambling is a great equalizer. I'm here looking at futures for the win the division. Okay. NFC West. Rams are the favorite, followed by the 49ers.

[Colin Cowherd]

Nope.

[Jason McIntyre]

And the Seahawks are plus 370 at. I don't know if I should say it, but they're plus 370 to win the division.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are you.

[Jason McIntyre]

You want to put a hundred thousand, whatever you want to put Seattle your guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Watch Seattle play and watch San Francisco play. What is the younger, more athletic, more dynamic roster? And I don't think it's close.

[Jason McIntyre]

It's a marathon, not a sprint, though, remember?

[Colin Cowherd]

I know, but my Seahawks are going to be healthy. Younger guys get healthier faster after injury.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

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Find your certified Toyota today, but hurry. These Great offers end November 3rd Toyota certified used Vehicle Sales Event where every.

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Surprise is a great one.

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Inventory may vary by dealer.

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Participating dealers only.

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Comprehensive and powertrain are limited warranties. See tcuv warranty supplementtoyotacertified.com or your Toyota dealer for details.

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This is an iHeart podcast.