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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Herd Hierarchy, the Chiefs are back, Buffalo Bills might need to make a change, Nick Wright
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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So we do the top 10 every week at this time and there are these teams out there that I think are pretty good. The Rams, the Chargers, the Bills. But I sit and I go through all the numbers and I and I again, this is not standing. I consider your health. Puka Nakua out for the Rams. That's not the same offense. You got running backs that fumble. You struggle struggle with the Ravens. So I count. What's your health like? I don't care what you did Sunday. What is your health like going forth? What do you do with San Francisco? No Bosa? No Fred Warner from last year? No Hufanga? No Greenlaw. I mean, Robert Sala has limitations. So here we go. Our herd hierarchy on this Tuesday. Herd hierarchy time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10, New England Patriots. Easiest NFL schedule going forward. This is not a mirage. Drake May Leads ranks top 5 in completion percentage, passing yards, big plays and passer rating. He's getting better than average protection. He's got a running game. The kid moves well. Easy schedule. 3, 0. Also, as J. Mac pointed out last week, since Christian Gonzalez, the cornerback has returned three zero nine. Number nine. The Steelers. Listen, they don't turn it over and they take it away. That does count as a good trait. They're taking the football away. Now. They're not facing great quarterbacks, but their only loss came to the Seahawks. A team that is better. They're the second least penalized team and they have a receiving core and a tight end core. That looks like an NBA front line. It looks like the Dallas Mavericks. Everybody's six, six and up. So they are using some height advantages, some size advantages. They don't throw it down the field, but it's working. Pittsburgh at nine, number eight. I like the Colts. I think they have the second best offensive line in football to Detroit. Fewest sacks allowed in the NFL. Indianapolis. They are scoring on 62 1/2% of their drives. They also should have beaten the Rams. They have the number one scoring offense. Leads the NFL in first downs again. Warren, the rookie Pittman, Jonathan Taylor, a top two or three offensive line. Daniel Jones this year. All you need to know, he's completing over 71% of his throws. I think they have a ceiling. I don't think they're a conference championship team yet. They may be this weekend. If they beat the Chargers, I may reassess. But I have the Colts at number eight. Number seven, Green Bay. They're young and can't figure out how to put away inferior teams. But all three wins have come by 13 plus points. I like Jordan Love. He's more far than Aaron Rodgers. He could get a little careless. But they're the best third down offense in the NFL and you can't run on them. They're the opposite of the Bills, you can't run on them. So they're doing a little bit of takeaway this this year which they haven't historically done. Crafts an unbelievable tight end. I like this team a lot. They're very young which concerns me. The quarterbacks, the receivers, the tight end, really young. But Jeff Halfley's got that defense. Can't run on it and they're taking it away. Green Bay at seven, number six. Well, Seattle was my surprise pick in the NFL this year. New England and Seattle, they lead the NFL in yards per play. That is a huge stat. And if you watch them, JSN is absolutely become a number one wide receiver in this league. Sam Darnold, according to pff is the highest rated quarterback in the NFL. I think Baker would be my mvp. But they can run it. They can get you over the top. They throw to their tight ends. They are young and athletic defensively and lead the league in yards per play. Vegas loves that. Number five Philadelphia, 30th ranked offense. I mean it's pretty simple. When Jalen Hurts throws the ball 33 times plus they're not good. When he throws it 25 times, they win. I do think they're eventually going to some degree right the ship. But they've been outgained in every game this season and they have had three or four of the worst halves in the league. 30 punts this year, only Cleveland and the Bengals have more. So their personnel puts them at five, but I'm not sure they're five. Let's see him play Minnesota. Let's see Minnesota off a bibe hosting Philadelphia. I may knock him out of the top 10 like I've done Buffalo number four. I think Detroit's good. I just think Kansas City is separated from the league. Four games with 34 plus points. Best offensive line. They're doing something that the Lions haven't done. And I said this last week, a lot of sacks, a lot of takeaways. They have the hardest remaining schedule. Again, this is a really good football Team what Kansas City did to them. Nobody else in the league, in my opinion could. In fact, they play Tampa this week and I think Detroit's gonna win that game and maybe comfortably. Detroit at four, number three. Colin, what are you doing putting Sean Payton at Denver at 3? Do you know they are the best in the league at protecting their quarterback and the best in the league at getting after yours. I think they're one of the few teams that actually can make Kansas City a little uncomfortable. High altitude for home games. I like their weapons. I don't think Bo Nix is playing particularly well, but they. You can't get to Bo Nix and he's at. I think he should run more. You can't get to him and they get after your quarterback. So they have the number one ranked offensive line, best third down defense, best red zone defense. They don't have to be great at quarterback. They can play poorly and win. Like this past week, I have them at three, number two, Tampa's five and one. They could also be two, four, but Baker Mayfield would be my MVP. They are playing without their number one receiver, their number two receiver, their number three receiver, their number four receiver. They're going to a D2 guy and Pez Johnson. No Bucky Ervic. Baker Mayfield has accounted for 1700 yards. Only Mahomes is accounted for more. I think they're resilient. I think they're tough and they're doing it. I've always liked their gm. They are doing it right now with backups. I think Tampa's two number one, but I don't think it's particularly close. I think Kansas City is. With Rasheed Rice coming back. He's not going to get 13 targets in his first week back. He'll probably get four to six. But Hollywood Brown, Juju Smith, Travis Worthy, O line didn't even have their left tackle. There's a good football team suffocating defensively. I said when they beat the Ravens, I don't want to hear about injuries. They physically stopped Lamar. Lamar was completely. Not only in his head, he didn't have any space. So next to the Colts, they have the second most efficient offense. They're not giving the ball away. I mean to play Detroit and not have a penalty, not have a turnover in one punt. Detroit's good, really good. That's why I only dropped him to four. This is my herd hierarchy. And with that, Nick Wright is now joining us live. I know you think. Let me explain, let me explain Denver. Now, I know you don't think Denver's that good. But my takeaway is I'm looking at people that can match up a little with Kansas City and their O line and D line pressure at least makes it interesting that I don't know if anybody else does. And I don't think I'm over the top. I think they've refound Kansas City looks like Kansas City three years ago.
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Nick Wright
No, absolutely. And starting next week, Kansas City will have the best receiving core it has had since Tyree Kill was on the team. And for the first time in three years, Colin Patrick trusts his offensive line. Even last week, to your point, with a backup offensive tackle, left tackle shout out Brett Veach, who this summer signed Jalen Moore to be the starting left tackle. Then Josh Simmons falls to him in the draft. He's the starting left tackle. And last year after the Chiefs had four different left tackles, none of whom really could play the position except for their left guard Joe Tunney who had to go over and play it, they now seem to have an excellent rookie and a really good swing tackle. And so I think the Chiefs are. You are correct there. I know this is a very difficult and sad day for J. Mac as the Chiefs are back where they deserve atop the herd hierarchy. But I do think you Colin, I want to talk about the Broncos. You're right because I agree with everything you said. Nick Bonito might be the best defensive player in football at this this very moment. The offensive line is excellent. I see Sean Payton scheming guys wide open three to five times a game and then I see Bo Knicks miss him by 5 yards. Can you in the modern NFL be the third best team in the league with a quarterback playing as poorly as Bo Nix is playing week in week out? He has his moments like the fourth quarter a couple weeks ago against Philly where he was excellent but on a down to down basis he has not been good. And I don't think it's unfair to say, Colin, that if Denver were playing 29 of the other 32 teams this Sunday past Sunday morning, they'd have lost that game. I think only the jets and the Brian Callahan Titans find a way to lose it. So this past week didn't exactly raise my hopes about Denver. But the O line is excellent and the defense is spectacular which is carrying them.
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Jason McIntyre
So I I watched the Bills last night and I know I'm going to throw this at you. I said there was a moment Mark Jackson was a good coach, but he was a good coach. You kind of felt like boy, Steph Curry needs his needs conductor and they get Steve Kerr and you're like, okay, this, this. So defense is easier to coach, you would argue, than offense. There's a lot more movement. It has to be more choreographed on average, certainly in football. And so it worked. And I watched Sean McDermott, I'm like, he's fine. Is he Mark Jackson? Because once again, because once you pay, as you know, once you pay the quarterback, you're not going to be great. You have to be able to turn JuJu Smith, Schuster into a reliable target and Hollywood Brown into more than just a kind of a talented guy. And Andy Reid can do it. Andy can tweak. He's the engineer. He lifts the hood up. He can tweak. Sean McDermott feels like a really good supervisor. Are the Bill's issues really the coach?
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Nick Wright
I think it's multifaceted. I think the defense isn't that good this year. I think that's more probably on Bean than the coach. I think that the. Here's the tough part for me. Well, let me start with the coach, then I'll get to Josh. In all of NFL history, and I keep going back to this stat because I think it's instructive. Every single coach quarterback combo that has ever won at least one super bowl together won their first super bowl together within five years of being together. For McDermott and Allen, and by the way, Lamar and Harbaugh, this is year eight. No one else has taken this long to have it happen, and then it actually happened. So history tells us for either of those teams to get over the hump, they probably will need to at some point make a change. And listen, I think Sean McDermott is under massive pressure. I think he's a good coach, and I think the Mark Jackson comp could be a good one, a good coach, but they've reached their limit there. With that said, and I think Josh Allen is pretty clearly the second best quarterback in football, and he's a great player. And that MVP last year made him a future hall of Famer, but he lives in a narrative space with the media that is so unique to me. I watched after week three when they beat the Dolphins, and he played great. One of the most respected members of the national media say he plays the position better than anyone in the history of the league. And last week he turns the ball over three times and they. And they lose, scoring 14 points. And you showed the key fourth down where he flips it like that. They have the ball three separate times in the fourth quarter, the chance to tie the game, and people seem hesitant to say, hey, Josh, the last two weeks got outplayed by Drake May and got outplayed by Michael Penix. That shouldn't happen. And so like I think he's the second best player in the league. I really do. But he's not beyond criticism. I do think the Bills have structural issues, but the biggest issue last night was with the offense. And that to me is more on Josh than anyone else.
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Jason McIntyre
So last night, yeah, I so I want to talk about Bears and go a little deep on this is that if you look at through five games compared to last year, they're a touchdown a game better and that's a lot. Last year, seven of the 12 Bears losses were one possession. So a touchdown is different. But their energy last night was incredible. But my takeaway on the Bears this year, they've just eliminated the ridiculous losing on a Hail Mary when your player is chatting with fans. Losing as the clock runs out In Detroit, losing 6 to 3, losing a game with a block kick. They just run the ball and don't turn it over. That so much of what's because I still think Jaden Daniels last night is more refined, more accurate and more consistent. Caleb was okay. But my takeaway is the Bears have the talent to be really dangerous. Like I'm talking conference championship viable with their skilled people in their pass rush. What Ben's really done is said let's just get rid of the nonsense, run the ball and don't turn it over. I don't think the play calling is unbelievable. They just don't beat themselves is what I'm what I'm seeing.
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Nick Wright
So yes, I agree with you. And listen, they have Back to back 25, 24 wins by the skin of their teeth. One against a Raider team that isn't good, even though I thought it would be, and one against a commander team that I think is pretty good. And that's how thin the margins are in this league. If they missed the field goal last night or missed the field goal again or, you know, the Raiders drive down the field and beat them, we're talking it's a totally different conversation around the Bears and they're probably not much worse or much better. They had to win last night. Yeah, you can't win the turnover battle three nothing in that spot and lose that game. And I also think that the how crowded the NFC playoff picture is. Last night's game might be a tiebreaker that determines a playoff spot between these two teams. It was wildly important where I would be optimistic if I'm Chicago is I don't think Caleb has played great yet. I think he will continue to get better. I do think you're right that Ben Johnson is right now on the most vanilla part of the playbook as he slowly tries to build it up. I also, however, do want to be fair. And I know Jaden has earned far more of a benefit of doubt than Caleb. And I know last night was weird and Jaden's coming off an injury and it was rainy, but the pick Jaden threw took points off the board and was brutal. And if Caleb Williams had mishandled a snap into a fumble with four minutes left in a game they were leading, we would be killing it. I'm not trying to kill Jaden for it, by the way. It was a weird game. Mistakes happen. But I do think we have to be, you know, kind of measured and fair with the expectations for Caleb where they're at now. I also think it, you know, if you would have asked anyone in the world going into the draft who the overwhelming consensus who's the best was Caleb at the end of last year, the overwhelming consensus was would have been Jaden. Right now, this moment, it feels like the overwhelming consensus would be Drake May, like these things are fluid. And it's going to. There's going to be a lot of different iterations over the next three, four seasons between those top three picks.
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Jason McIntyre
So I want to end with Baker Mayfield because, you know, and I've told you this, I'm. I, I like him. I think he's a good guy. I just, I thought he was a reach at number one, and I didn't think he had the maturity I wanted to in a dysfunctional Cleveland. And I thought, that's not a great fit. And it ended up when Stefanski got there, it wasn't a great fit, even though he won a playoff game. But I watch him now, and he said, you know, he used to say I was cocky, and now I'm a dog, and it's all the same. And my take is you're too smart not to grow up. We all grow up. We all learn from our mistakes. If you're reasonably bright, why do you think? Because he's 6:1, not a super athlete. He's always throwing a great deep ball. What do you think the turnaround is? He says he's the same guy. I think he's too smart to be the same guy. What do you. How do you explain this metamorphosis in his young career?
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Nick Wright
Well, I agree with him in this regard, that him chirping at the fan that he did in Seattle would have been met with scorn had he done it as a rookie and now is met with, you know, that's what makes Baker. Baker. But that is. I mean, that's not unique to him. I mean, what he said, I think is correct. Was it. I know this is cliche and it's fiction, but was it any given Sunday, what was it? Where the guy would throw up before the game or during the game and one of his teammates was like, listen, if we're winning, people will think that's awesome, and if we're losing, they're gonna say you're scared. It's the same thing. Like that is pretty common across sports. I think, honestly, what happened with Baker was he got better as his career went on. He, you know, became a more refined player. I think he understood better his limitations as far as his speed and ability to escape the pass rush. And now his best scramble seemed to be where it looks like he's dead to rights. And it's less about speed and more about toughness. And so I think that has helped. I think he is now, you know, he is in a far more functional organization than the Browns. He has better weapons, even though this past week they were all hurt. And I also do think in professional football, the thing he has that really has always mattered is he is. And I know it sounds corny, but he is a true alpha and those guys love him. I think that when you're. To me, it is. It is the opposite of the dynamic I feel between Tua and his teammates. It feels like Tua's teammates are waiting for him to throw them under the bus. I think they roll their eyes. I think he makes a bunch of mistakes, and then he talks about other guys being late for meetings, and I think that has a real negative impact on the team. I think with the Bucks, they see Baker do the exact opposite. Always build guys up, always try to lead from the front and be one of the toughest guys playing the position. And it gives everyone more confidence and makes everyone play better. And so I think it's an all time great story. I think to be a walk on to a Heisman Trophy winner, to a number one pick, to traded to cut to fighting with Kyle Trask for a job, to now be the MVP of the league through six weeks, and it looks like it's going to come down to him and Patrick over the course of the year is really one of the coolest stories in my professional career in this league. It's such a unique Arc and one that no one else is going to have. And Colin, I think they are super dangerous. They have a tough next six weeks and then the end of the year, they. They have Carolina twice, they have Arizona, they have New Orleans, they have Atlanta. They have one other, I think Miami.
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Jason McIntyre
They.
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Nick Wright
They could go into the playoffs. 13 and 4, the number one seed, a six game winning streak. This can absolutely be a Super bowl team. And he absolutely can be the MVP of the league.
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Jason McIntyre
Nick Wright, first things first, as always, buddy. Great talking to you.
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Nick Wright
Great seeing you, Colin.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it is. Yeah. I mean, when you look at Baker, that's a franchise quarterback. Similarly, when you look at Sam Darnold, you know, a lot of people are like, hey, Sam's a great story. No Geno Smith, that was a great story. He's not a great player. Baker's a great player. Sam's a great player. There are great stories like Justin Fields. Oh, he's gonna be. He's not a great player. Not even a good player. So. But the Darnold Baker stuff is about this new group of lots and lots of smart football out there for older coaches willing to embrace it or younger coaches ascending. But Darnold's a franchise quarterback. There's no reason for Seattle to draft one. They've got their guy. And for the record, Minnesota probably privately wishes they still had Darnold. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to this show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie.
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Colin Cowherd
Ignore that fool.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
Got a scurry to look up manhlytics on the Urban Dictionary. I don't know what that means, but let's start with TUA and the Miami Dolphins. Colin, here's a team. You're not analytics. It's not working. Anyway, to a question. The leadership of the Dolphins after that Chargers loss, his head coach, Mike McDaniel addressed to his comments on Monday after.
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Jason McIntyre
A loss as, as the franchise quarterback. That's not the forum to displace that. I think he knows that now. I, I do honestly believe it was not. There's no ill intention, but you're talking about, you know, I think kind of.
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Nick Wright
A misguided representation of player orchestrated film sessions.
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Colin Cowherd
I like Daniel Mann, but he sounds like Colin, one of these like seventh graders standing up in front of the classroom like, come on dude, you're a head coach. He's not looking senatorial at the podium again. McDaniel made the playoffs twice in Miami. I do believe he's a good coach sometimes as your first go round, it's not great. As a head coach you could have Cliff, Cliff Kingsbury in Arizona and commanding the locker room. I'm not selling all my Mike McDaniel stock yet. I'll just.
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Jason McIntyre
I think he's a good football coach. I don't know if he's a head coach.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll find out.
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Jason McIntyre
There is something to be said. Do you think it's a coincidence that overnight Mike Vrabels created a culture overnight? Jim Harbaugh created a culture overnight. Sean McVay.
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Colin Cowherd
These guys are 60 years old. McDaniel's like 40 decades to do that. Oh, I thought you said okay, all right.
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Jason McIntyre
No, it doesn't take decades. You can create a culture of. You're the guy. But by the way, Saban did it in a year and a half. He's five, six. It's not about how big you are. There is something to be said about the ability to command and intimidate and get people to rally around you. It's always been my knock on McDaniel. He's a little squirrely. He's smart. I'd hire him in one second to be my oc. But there is something to be said. When you look at all the culture builders in the NFL, a lot of them are like, intimidating Vrabel. Mike Tomlin's a great. You've always said Zach Taylor's smart. Is he a culture builder?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's tough. Some of these young guys.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
McVeigh's one example of a young guy who came in and built a culture.
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Jason McIntyre
Shanahan.
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Colin Cowherd
Excellent job. Shanahan's father was a coach. He's been around football since he was 8. Like, I mean, again, it's really tough for these guys to come in and. And we saw Callahan in Tennessee. He got dusted. His dad was a coach forever. He came in, he couldn't handle the room.
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Jason McIntyre
He's.
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Colin Cowherd
He's gone in 20 games. Again, I'm probably higher on most than McDaniel. And maybe you're right.
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Jason McIntyre
He.
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Colin Cowherd
He's not a general. He's more of a lieutenant or whatever the. The ranking is. I do think that this game is interesting. You see, the Browns are three. It was two and a half yesterday. I hit the Browns. I think the Browns defense at home bottles them up. The weather looks like it could be inclement.
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Jason McIntyre
Yep.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, to. In bad weather.
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Jason McIntyre
This is a weather game. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So we both like the Browns. All right, let's move on. This is an interesting story. This Matt Rule. Okay. The Nebraska coach, he's being linked to Penn State. Feldman talked about it yesterday here on the show, but it's deeper than that. The Penn State AD used to be at Temple. He hired Rule. They have a deep relationship. Anyway, Rule was asked about the rumors yesterday. Here's what he said at Nebraska.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm not going to talk a lot about job openings when they come. This is. Maybe it's been a while here, but this is what happens when you win. I've dealt with it. You know, we've won at Temple and I dealt with it all the time. Dealt with Baylor. I'm not going to talk about those things ever. I'm not going to talk about my contract here. I'm going to talk about the team. But yeah, I absolutely love it here. And I just want to. I want us to continue to Take the steps needed for us to turn this thing into a beast. But I'm really happy here and excited to get going this week on Minnesota. Yeah, you know, there's. If you're making 8, 9, 7, 8 $9 million and your family's happy, I think nil and transfer portal. It used to be about facilities and geography. Who's got the most money. Oregon has more money than big city Seattle. That's why Oregon's better. They go buy better players. And by the way, Ohio State had big nil money. Is Columbus blowing you away as a place? All players, they've got more money. So it doesn't matter if you have a good nil if you're in that $12 million space and the staff is happy. I don't think I hear this. You know, Kurt Signetti is going to Penn State. Just show me what Indiana. I'm looking at Indiana's defensive front and their pass rush and their quarterback and I'm like, somebody's spending money in Indiana football to buy good players. So I just, I don't think you. I remember 15 years ago when Oregon built these crazy facilities, it became a facilities war. It's not USC built facilities. It's because their nil's 20 million a year. That's why they're buying good players.
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Colin Cowherd
So it seems like a lot of fans are like, wait a minute, you hired Franklin who couldn't beat good teams and now you want to bring on Matt Rule who is, wait for it, 2 and 23 Colin against ranked opponents, which is James Franklin territory. Now the counter is, hey man, you're 2 and 23 against ranked opponents. When you're coaching at Temple and Nebraska and your big underdogs. What would Rule do if he had, oh, I don't know. The five star recruits that Penn State has, maybe it's a different story. And then of course we had someone smart on the staff say, well, wait, Jake, what. What did Rule do in Carolina with Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold? And then you're like, oh, he didn't do much. Now you could say the owner was getting in the way and meddling and Maker, maybe it just wasn't a good fit. And you can make excuses. This is, there's no right answer here. This is a fascinating story.
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Jason McIntyre
Rule would not be my choice at Penn State. I think he's a fine coach. Signetti would be a guy I would look at, but I, if I was Kurt Zagnetti, is it worth move rebuilding it again for another $2 million? Now he's from Pennsylvania.
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Colin Cowherd
They're going to offer him more than $10 million.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, if Adidas comes. Adidas has a big Penn State deal. If they give him $15 million a year, I'm almost doubling my money. Then I have to sit down and have a conversation. But, I mean, listen, the Indiana just went and beat Oregon and Knotson. You can play with anybody. There's an argument they're the best team in the country.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, but it's. It's tougher than that. You know, you've got to factor in your wife and what she wants to be around. Maybe his wife loves Bloomington. I don't know. Maybe this is his dream job. You know, like, there's a lot of stuff out there. This is going to be an interesting one because I'll be honest, I don't know that Penn State's as great of a job as we think it is. I'm just. I'm just putting that, like, if you're ranking the big ten jobs. Colin. And you'll probably have cloud on tomorrow. Well, is Penn State a top five job?
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Jason McIntyre
Yes. You sure?
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Colin Cowherd
Go down the list. Come on.
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Jason McIntyre
Ohio State 1. Michigan 2. USC, Oregon, Penn State.
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Colin Cowherd
We're certain Penn State's checking in at five.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Four or five. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I'll give it to you. Final story. Colin is Nick Bonito, one of the best edge rushers in football, leaning the NFL and sacks with eight right now. He was part of the defense that held the jets to 11 points. Remember last year, Pat Certain was the defensive player of the year. He's now suggesting Benito should win the award. The numbers for him are pretty damn good. Coming off the edge, he is. He's probably going to maul Jackson Dart this weekend. This is one of my. One of the games I like a lot. I know it's a big number for the Broncos. They didn't just cover, but Jackson Dart against this defense is going to be at a hell of trouble.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, also remember, when can a coach coach the hardest? When his team plays poorly yet wins.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
So, Sean Payton, this is going to be a rough week of practice. This is also one of my. I think this is my third favorite bet or fourth favorite bet. I already turned my bets in. So to the staff. It's Tuesday. I usually wait until Thursday. This is one of the ones I like. You're turning on the same page on a couple. I think. I think Cleveland watch out. And I think Denver's gonna come hair on fire.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, you're Turning in Matthew McConaughey. Two for the money. Remember, he was just turning in his bets early in the week and going golfing. Well, that's when he was on a heater. You go four and one, this is what happens. You get all excited. Just a quick note. I am concerned for Denver. Bo Nicks still not playing great. Colin, at what point are we like, oh, it's a sophomore slump because we're, I think we're a little past that now. Right? He's.
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Jason McIntyre
He just did.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I know the story was the jets couldn't do anything. Bo Nix, I think had like something like three first downs in the second half. Like they couldn't move the football.
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Jason McIntyre
It was bad. It's not been a good deep ball thrower and they have deep ball receivers. So Sutton, Sutton and Mims and Franklin can get deep. He has struggled in the deep ball. Not just missing deep ball throws, like missing them badly. He may not be a great deep ball thrower. I remember coming into the draft people said Derek Carr has a better arm and Derek didn't have a great arm. He had a fine arm. So maybe it may just be Bo Nix is 18 yards and in. He's not a good deep ball thrower. And I think what frustrates Peyton is they have a deep ball receiving core. Yep, Sutton and Mims and Franklin all have excellent length and speed. J Mac with the news well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line news. I'll tell you the analytics that should have taken over analytics last night. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Weighted vests are everywhere right now and it's not just a fad. The science is clear. Carrying extra weight boosts calorie burn, ramps up natural heat, human growth hormone and testosterone in the body, and builds real world strength. Not all vests though are built the same and low quality gear is getting guys hurt. Shifting weights, bad straps, zero support. Just read the reviews. It's a recipe for disaster. That's why I'm all for Wolf Tacticals True fit weighted vest. Built like real field gear, the vest is heavy duty, breathable, totally adjustable, no bounce. It moves with you whether you're grinding out push ups, knocking out yard work. It is not a gimmick. It's gear that turns whatever you're doing into training. It's excellent. Go towolf tactical USA.com Take your training and physique to the next level. The code is heard 15 for 15% off your order. That's H E R D 15 at checkout only at wolftical USA.com Thursday Night Football is on and it's only on Prime Video. This week, the AFC north takes center stage as the Pittsburgh Steelers battle the Cincinnati Bengals. Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern with Football's Best Party TNF Tonight, presented by Verizon. Not a Prime member? Not a problem. Simply sign up for a 30 day free trial. It's the Steelers and Bengals Thursday at 7pm Eastern, only on Prime Video. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com Amazon prime for details.
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Colin Cowherd
After powering their way to a two games to nothing series lead, the Mariners head home to Seattle for a pivotal Game three of the ALCS as the Blue Jays look to climb back into the series. Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern, 4 Pacific tomorrow on FS1.
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Jason McIntyre
So I remember years ago when Lou Piniella was managing the Cubs and the Cubs got into a big playoff series. This is a long time ago. And he made a pitching change and he was like, hey, I'm going to set it up for later in the series. And my take was you're the Cubs, win the game in front of you. You're the Cubs. And so when they Dodgers. And I love Dave Roberts. He's a regular on the show. When they took out Blake Snell. I wish I had Dave Roberts today because I would this is a 10 minute conversation to me. I would have kept Snell in for a lot of reasons. Number one, he just threw the greatest Dodger postseason performance probably since Koufax. That puts enormous pressure on the bullpen because he's sitting on the dugout steps and that's better than even Kershaw in the playoffs. So there's that pressure. Also, he went to Roki Sazaki, who's not a natural closer, he's a rookie. And this is game one against the team Milwaukee that led baseball in hits or at least the National League. So the sir I would use Roki at home at Dodger Stadium with a more comfortable lead. I would use it maybe not in a crucial Game 1 on the road, but I think the pressure on the staff and Roki in that moment, who's not a natural closer, he's done a good job, but that's not his nat. This is not Mariano or Raleigh Fingers. That's not what we're talking about. A young kid. Game one on the road. You're in a. You know, I mean, let's be honest, Snell just threw the greatest game. I think I've seen a starting Pitcher throw in a playoff game, they could not get good contact on him. And Snell's a guy that actually gets. He's really good post 100 pitches, really good. Like, ERA goes down. So this is not a guy. And in the previous innings, he had shown no wear and tear. So Dave Roberts takeaway is, listen, he was at 102, 103 pitches. We're thinking about setting up for game five. It reminds me of that Lou Piniella moment with the Cubs. Like, win the game in front of you. Worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow when you get to the nlcs, the ALCS of the World Series, just win the game. Just win the game. We'll figure it out. These are pro athletes. Hell, you may bring in a starter, you may bring in Snell for an inning. In game six, you just make it up. That's why analytics in baseball or the NBA. And the NBA, analytics are silly in the playoffs because it's literally officiated differently. They don't blow the whistle. So you're not getting to the free throw line. In the playoffs, they're going to let you play. And in baseball, you'll use starters in the pen, you will manage it totally differently. So again, Dave Roberts forgets more in a day than I've known in my life about baseball. But when they pulled him, I'm like, he's not struggling. I've never seen anything like this. Milwaukee is a great hitting team. They could not get bad on ball. I mean, they. He made Milwaukee look like a Triple A lineup. They were behind. His off speed stuff was just on fire, so I wouldn't have done it. So the brewers, my bad. There were third in hits, second National League behind the Phillies. My bad. But that was a classic example. Like, there's a man, he's on the mound. He's Koufax Manhlytics. I want him closing. I want him. It's like an NBA playoff game where a guy's at 44 minutes, he's an older player, and I'm like, bro, I just want his IQ on the floor. LeBron's had some of those. You're like, well, he's blowing way through his minutes. We need to win the game, keep LeBron in the game. So, yeah, I get the reasoning. Analytics says pull him, but. And also, again, an unnatural closer. He's a starter, rookie, on the road against the team, and he didn't have his stuff. And I think some of it was because his last outing, he was great. I honestly think that Blake Snell was so good, it put More pressure on Roki. I mean, can you imagine watching Don Larson, Sandy Facts, he mowed through it. And it's like, yeah, I'm going to sit in the dugout and watch you, watch you. And then a man gets on and then a guy gets solid bat on it, and you're like, oh, this thing is unraveling fast. But Dave trusts guys. He wanted to get Blake out there to his reliever in the pen. Thank God they swung at a bad pitch. If you're a Dodger fan. But it is that classic example I tend to look when you get into these, you know, obviously in a one game setting in college or pro football, you win the game. But a lot of times managers in baseball are about, hey, I want to set up my bullpen, I want to get my guys back on their regular rotation. But, man, I could be in the minority. Maybe Dodger fans were all for it, but that dude was. That is. I had the TV on my big screen last night and I'm like, they're not even. They're swinging at bad pitches. He is in Milwaukee's head. These guys don't want to even go up there. Ask yourself this, what do you think Milwaukee's batters did when they pulled Blake Snell? Hallelujah. Ask yourself, what did the brewers batters do? They would much rather face the kid in a huge spot on the road than Blake, even if it's for the fourth time. Like, nobody wanted to face that guy. So that's my man. Sometimes guy in a heater, let him go. Just blow through the analytics. Let him go. Peyton Manning always said this about football analytics. He said everybody's always like, go for it. He goes. Well, it depends on the drive. He goes. I've had drives where you're picking up first downs by a foot all the way down the field. Like, four yards is hard. He goes. Other times you just chunk play, chunk play. He goes. Chunk plays. Go for it. He goes. But not all fourth and threes are the same at midfield. There are you going into games and you're getting worked up front and fourth and three is fourth and eight and you cannot run the ball. Guard, center guard. And they know you can't run the ball. So the performance outweighs the equation. Last night, the performance outweighed the equation. That was just my take our three. 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Colin Cowherd
What?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it's going to be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of fabulous guests. Paul Scheer, Angela and Jenna, Nick Cross Jordan Klepper. Listen to season four of SNAFU with Ed Helms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
This is an iHeart podcast.