THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Herd Hierarchy, the Chiefs are not there yet, thoughts on Jim Harbaugh, Nick Wright

Summary

The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2 (September 23, 2025)

"New Herd Hierarchy, the Chiefs are not there yet, thoughts on Jim Harbaugh, Nick Wright"

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Main Theme & Episode Overview

This episode is packed with Colin Cowherd’s signature NFL “Herd Hierarchy” power rankings, intense debate about the placement of powerhouse teams (especially the Chiefs and Ravens), insight on Jim Harbaugh’s coaching greatness, and an in-depth NFL roundtable with Fox Sports host Nick Wright. The show also covers quarterback traits, the rise of the Chargers and Eagles, Caleb Williams’ NFL trajectory, college football's shifting landscape, and Cowboys/Packers big moves.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Herd Hierarchy: NFL Power Rankings

(02:58 – 09:50)

• Colin unveils his top-10 NFL teams post-Week 3:

  • Chiefs ranked outside the top 10 at 11, sparking debate with Nick Wright over their current form versus their reputation and track record.

• The List:

  • 10. Baltimore Ravens
  • 9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
  • 8. San Francisco 49ers
  • 7. Detroit Lions
  • 6. Seattle Seahawks
  • 5. LA Rams
  • 4. LA Chargers
  • 3. Green Bay Packers
  • 2. Buffalo Bills
  • 1. Philadelphia Eagles

• Why the Chiefs are out:
  "The Chiefs, despite a win, are at 11. Baltimore is a road favorite, and the NFL, like the NBA, is an offensive league first." (Colin, 03:54)

• Offensive juggernauts vs. defensive liabilities:

  • Ravens' offense scoring at a high clip, but defensive investments have not paid off.
  • Bucs surprising with Mayfield's consistency, even with injuries.
  • Niners’ depth tested by Bosa’s season-ending injury.
  • Lions' backfield duo of Gibbs and Montgomery is elite.
  • Seahawks’ draft-driven defense dominating.
  • Chargers praised for red zone defense and offensive evolution.
  • Packers’ defensive efficiency; concerns about run game.
  • Bills’ turnover mastery; skepticism about back-end defense.
  • Eagles lauded for best roster, GM, and Jalen Hurts' leadership.

2. Are the Chiefs Being Undervalued? (Nick Wright joins)

(09:51 – 12:48)

• Nick Wright's tongue-in-cheek argument:

  • “If we know anything about Baltimore, it’s that they play their best in the biggest spots in January and situationally they’re just buttoned up. They would never blow a big lead or seem a little tight in a big game.” (Nick Wright, 09:51)
  • Advocates for trusting Mahomes/Chiefs’ offensive struggles over Baltimore’s defensive collapse: “I’d rather have the issues be on offense because I feel like my quarterback can figure it out. If you’re Baltimore, it is really concerning now that the defense ... looked really bad through two weeks. They got bullied last night, and Lamar can’t fix that for you.” (Nick Wright, 10:50)

• Colin cedes ground, but predicts the Chiefs will surpass the Ravens in eight weeks.

  • “I will say in eight weeks I think the Chiefs would beat the Ravens. I absolutely do ... You cannot be bad defensively today, this weekend. I think the Ravens [are] probably better. In eight weeks ... Rice, Worthy—they won’t be, to your point.” (Colin, 11:51)

3. Chargers Takeover? Debate on AFC West

(12:48 – 14:00)

• Colin teases that "the Chargers have seized control of the AFC West for the foreseeable future."

• Nick Wright counters: “By foreseeable future, you mean the next six or seven weeks? Sure. By the end of the year? Let’s see.”

• Playful back-and-forth: Nick needles Colin for being down on Herbert and being slow to credit coach Harbaugh.

4. Who Called the Jim Harbaugh Surge First?

(14:00 – 16:08)

• Nick presents a 2016 audio take:
  • “I think Jim Harbaugh is the best football coach in the world. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Bill Belichick. … I think he is the best football coach there is.” (Nick Wright, 14:00 [clip from 2016])
• Both praise Harbaugh’s adaptability and transformational skill, with Nick noting Andy Reid is now in that conversation, but calling Harbaugh “almost one of one.”

5. Quarterback Traits: The Case for Jalen Hurts

(16:46 – 20:30)

• Colin Cowherd:

  • “I’m a quarterback traits elitist. I like ‘em tall ... big arms. I was always with Jalen Hurts, you know, small ... What's his superstar trait? He is the strongest quarterback pound for pound in league history.” (16:46)

• Nick Wright:

  • “I think the strength obviously helps immensely … but his intangibles and leadership are probably a superpower.” (17:50)
  • Notes Philly’s staff is still oddly reluctant to fully trust him as a passer.

• On "team skill":

  • “Winning is a team skill and the Eagles have found a way each and every week despite not playing their best football yet, and I think that’s really impressive.” (Nick, 19:47)

6. Caleb Williams: Talent vs. Consistency

(20:30 – 23:51)

• Colin’s take:

  • “His personality isn’t terribly consistent. He can get very emotional. His accuracy isn’t always consistent. … Caleb is a bit of a roller coaster.” (20:30)
  • Predicts Williams will remain high-variance, driving coaches crazy.

• Nick’s counter:

  • “It took Josh Allen six years to stop being a roller coaster. … He kind of lives and dies with each play ... if he misses a few throws, it can snowball against him.” (21:40)
  • Sees reason for Bears optimism if they beat the Raiders heading into a bye.

7. Quarterbacks, Franchise Patience & Environments

(23:51 – 26:50)

• Colin contrasts the Bills and Bears:
  • “Buffalo is a small market. … Chicago, there’s so many things working against the young quarterback who struggles. It’s a very loud media ... They can’t get quarterback right. … It is harder when you’re the Chicago Bears quarterback and they’ve never gotten the quarterback position right.” (24:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Power Rankings (Chiefs vs. Ravens):

  • “I take the Ravens over Kansas City Chiefs at 11 due to the fact the Ravens are the road favorite and I think it’s an offensive league and they’ve got an incredibly dynamic offense.” (Colin, 08:59)
  • “I’d rather have the issues be on offense because I feel like my quarterback can figure it out.” (Nick Wright, 10:50)

• On Jalen Hurts’ Superpower:

  • “He is the strongest quarterback pound for pound in league history.” (Colin, 16:46)

• On Jim Harbaugh’s coaching greatness (replaying a classic take):

  • “I think Jim Harbaugh is the best football coach in the world. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Bill Belichick. ... Than Nick Saban.” (Nick Wright, 14:00)

• On Eagles’ winning habits:

  • “The Eagles … win games blocking a kick, a guy drops a pass, a tipped pick, and it is a sign of a team that just knows how to win. … The Eagles, like the Chiefs last year, know how to win games.” (Nick Wright, 19:26)

• On Caleb Williams’ volatility:

  • “We just have to get comfortable with the fact that he is going to drive Ben Johnson crazy about every other series.” (Colin, 20:30)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:58 – Start of Herd Hierarchy
• 03:54 – 08:59 – Detailed breakdown of NFL Power Rankings 10–1
• 09:51 – 14:00 – Colin and Nick Wright debate Chiefs, Ravens, Chargers
• 14:00 – 16:08 – Harbaugh legacy, audio replay of old Nick Wright take
• 16:46 – 20:30 – Jalen Hurts’ strengths, Eagles’ winning ways
• 20:30 – 23:51 – Discussion: Caleb Williams’ volatility, Bears future
• 23:51 – 26:50 – Josh Allen/Caleb Williams: Environment and franchise patience

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Additional Headlines & Analysis

Rapid NFL and College Football News Roundup

(31:32 – 37:24)

• NY Giants bench Russell Wilson for Jackson Dart
  • “Russell Wilson: 4 of 18 for 16 yards in the red zone. … I think it’s time to retire.” (Colin, 33:22)
• Aiden Hutchinson’s Defensive Dominance
  • “Aiden Hutchinson last night was a monster. He was dominant.” (J Mac, 35:06)
• Steelers’ struggles and Vikings-Pittsburgh in Dublin
  • “They’re past being a contender ... from what I’ve seen, they’re not a contender and they haven’t been in a while.” (audio: Jerry Jones, 35:44 / Colin, 35:59)

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Jerry Jones, Cowboys, and Big-Picture Team-Building

(41:21 – 50:03)

• Colin:
  • “Sometimes you make a business deal and you know you’re going to get beat up for a year ... But you know what the Cowboys have now? Flexibility. … Four first-round picks over the next couple years. … Having the courage to do what’s best long term.” (41:21, 42:45)
• On Dallas’ long-term prospects vs. short-term pain:
  • “Dallas is going to get crushed if Green Bay wins the Super Bowl … but come April, when you don’t need a quarterback and have two first round picks ... Dallas is going to be in unbelievable shape in April.” (47:40, 50:03)
• On coaching being the missing factor:
  • “If you had an elite coaching staff ... Coaching matters. Cowboys don’t have them.” (50:44)

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College Football Landscape & Realignment

(47:15 – 47:40)

• Justin Herbert on Oregon/Penn State in the Big Ten:
  • “That’s kind of the cool thing about going to the Big Ten ... you’re going to go to the East Coast and you’re going to have some big games.” (Justin Herbert, 47:15)
• Colin remarks on realignment improving the sport’s relevance and excitement.

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Flow & Tone

Colin’s tone is direct, witty, and occasionally self-deprecating. Nick Wright brings playful sarcasm, sharp debate, and historical recall to the banter, keeping the energy high and the arguments lively. The pace is fast but layered, bouncing between current team evaluations, historical context, and forward-looking predictions. The conversation synthesizes data, gut instinct, and “lived” sports knowledge typical of The Herd.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a thorough, personality-packed evaluation of the current NFL landscape, with a special spotlight on power rankings, elite quarterbacks, Harbaugh’s legacy, and shifting college football rivalries. With sharp back-and-forth between Colin and Nick, plenty of timestamps for the best moments, and memorable quotes, it’s a must-listen (or must-read) for fans who want to keep up with the heart of sports conversation even if they miss the broadcast.

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Here we go. It is our number two on a Tuesday heard hierarchy. Nick Wright, Greg Olson, next hour. Justin Herbert stopped by. What a good kid he is. Outstanding. Good. College football weekend. J. Mac, Very good. College football week in the Oregon, Penn State game. That is big boy football right there, man.

[J Mac]

A lot of good games. I mean, if Alabama loses, like, where do they go from here? You know, they got a tough game. There's a lot. I mean, is really loaded.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, my goodness. All right. I've had a dilemma last couple of weeks. What do I do with the Kansas City Chiefs? So last week I had them at number 10. Where do I have them now? Here we go.

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Herd hierarchy time is now.

[Colin Cowherd]

Let's go.

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The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm going to put Baltimore at 10. The Chiefs, despite a winner, 11. Why? Because Baltimore is a road favorite. Baltimore is the better offensive team and like the NBA, the NFL is an offensive league. First. They're scoring 37 a game. The problem is their defense is basically the Dallas Cowboys without the star on the helmet. They got bullied for three and a half hours and they spent money on it. Five of their six highest paid players are on defense. So they've got a little bit of a dilemma. And they score so quickly that they always just send that bad defense back out on the field. I'm going to put them at 10. Chiefs at 11. Number nine, the Bucks. Now their schedule gets tougher. The fact that they have to go to the whistle to beat the Falcons and the jets does not, you know, feel great. Coming up now with the Eagles and the Seahawks, the Lions, the Niners coming up. They've been doing it though, missing three offensive linemen and Chris Godwin. Baker Mayfield, like a Sam Darnold has established himself as a legit franchise quarterback. Eleven straight games with a hundred plus rushing yards. That is hard to do in this league, especially when you're missing many top offensive linemen. I have the Bucs at nine, number eight, the Niners at eight. Maybe it's a bit high. Mac Jones is the current starter now. Bosa is gone for the year. Listen, Ricky Pearsall has emerged as a really nice weapon. Two of their wins, though, are against the Cardinals at home and the Saints, and they don't have a buy until week 14. This team could use a bye now, but the coach, the quality of offense. McCaffrey, Pearsall, Kittle's coming back. I put him at eight. Number seven here's what we learned about the Lions. If you have new coordinators, don't count the preseason, the hall of Fame game or week one. Since then, 900 total yards last night was not as close as the score indicated. Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery are an unbelievable running back tandem. 11th career game. They both scored a rushing touchdown. Aiden Hushes in and that defensive front gobbled up Lamar Jackson. They are 12 and 2 in prime time games, beating the best Monday night quarterback ever last night. Lamar Jackson, Lions at seven Number six Boy, I think the Seahawks are a handful. Kenneth Walker Highest rated running back. Sam Darnold pff. Highest rated quarterback and it does look like JSN is a number one receiver. But it's the defense that makes them the second best point differential in the league. They have held all three opponents to 17 points or fewer and a lot of credit goes to John Snyder, the GM who has had back to back to back very good drafts. They're not even paying a lot of these top defensive guys. Seahawks at 6 Number 5 Listen, the Rams can't beat the Eagles 1 and 6. Sean McVeigh against the Eagles they win 75% of their other games. Their defense is young, inexpensive and excellent. Most sacks in the NFL offense scored on six straight drives to take a huge lead against the Eagles. They've got weapons at tight end, wide receiver. Devonte Adams. People aren't talking about it enough. He's just going to keep getting better. But they don't match up with Philadelphia because they've got no corner big enough to stop A.J. brown. Number four the Chargers great red zone defense. So when you can drive against them, they are the stingiest red zone defense in the league. Amarian Hampton looks like he's going to be a real deal. Keenan Allen does this guy ever age? Number two Passing offense. They're asking more of Justin Herbert now. He's getting hit way too much. But Quinton Johnson doesn't appear to be a bust. He's emerged as a big time downfield threat. I like their culture and their toughness. Chargers at four Number three Packers. Listen. Fewest yards per play allowed. Green Bay it's one of my favorite stats in the league. They don't allow you any yards. They've held all three opponents in 2025 in the NFL under 250 total yards. Jordan Love it's his first pick in a regular season game in 10 games. It was a stinker. They came in flat, they had extra days off and Cleveland's got an excellent defense. One of the things that worries Me, they're not running the first football as well as they should, but I think the packers still have a chance to hoist a Lombardi.

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Number two, Buffalo.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's almost crazy. 25 straight games. They've won the turnover battle right now over the last 12 to 15 games. Josh Allen's doing something that's hard to do. You get all the upside and literally no turnovers. They have the best super bowl odds. I don't love their defense on the back end, but I don't like the Ravens defense anywhere. I have Buffalo at number two.

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Number one.

[Colin Cowherd]

They have really bad halves like this past weekend, but it is the best roster in the league. They could probably, at the trade deadline, go and get another corner. But you know Nick Sirianni. Yeah, I didn't get it, but the team does. And Jalen hurts. Maybe a little small, but he throws well up the sideline. Toughness and leadership. Best third and fourth down team in the league. Best roster, most aggressive gm. Here is the Herd hierarchy. I take the Ravens over Kansas city chiefs at 11 due to the fact the Ravens are the road favorite and I think it's an offensive league and they've got an incredibly dynamic offense. And with that, Nick Wright joins me. First things first. Live as he always does on Tuesday. All right. Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah, that's a pretty solid top 10.

[Nick Wright]

Well, listen, I understand that the 1 and 2 Ravens who have made zero of the last six Super Bowls and one of the last seven AFC Championship Games deserve a benefit of doubt over the 1 and 2 Chiefs who have made five of the last six Super Bowls AND seven of the last seven AFC Championship Games because of their champion. Because listen, if we know anything about Baltimore, it's that they play their best in the biggest spots in January and situationally they're just buttoned up. They would never blow a big lead or seem a little tight in a big game. So that's how you earn this benefit of the doubt to make the hierarchy at 1 and 2. I would ask you this, however, just not about Baltimore, about Kansas City. Just holistically, if you are a team with an all time great quarterback of which I think we can still agree, Baltimore and Kansas City both are.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

Would you rather your big concern be on the offensive side of the ball where that all time great quarterback can help fix it, or the defensive side of the ball where that all time great quarterback is sitting on the sideline helpless? I would rather have the issues be on offense because I feel like my quarterback can figure it out. If you're Baltimore, it is really concerning now that the defense for the first half of last year looked awful. Then it tightened up this year. The defense has looked really bad through two weeks. They got bullied last night and Lamar can't fix that for you. So I think, listen, I think the afc, you know, I'm not worried about them missing the playoffs or anything like that, but I do think that they might have some systemic problems on defense and I obviously don't trust them, you know, on offense come January. But that's just because I've watched the playoffs for the last decade. So I think the Ravens are a little overvalued.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. I will say in eight weeks I think the Chiefs would beat the Ravens. I absolutely do. I think without Worthy and Rashid Rice that I think your point is founded in absolute truth. In eight weeks, I think there are things in the last 20 Super bowl teams, one lousy defense, Atlanta, and they blew a fourth quarter lead. I've said this in baseball, can't win a World Series with a bad bullpen. You don't even have to have a great staff. The Royals won a World Series without a great staff.

[Nick Wright]

Great take. Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yep. You cannot have a bad bullpen. You cannot be bad defensively today, this weekend. I think the Ravens probably better in eight weeks. Rice worthy. They won't be to your point. Now, would you acknowledge, though, you don't show fear, but you have to be honest. Harbaugh, Herbert, can you. Can you acknowledge that the Chargers have seized control of the AFC west for the foreseeable future.

[Nick Wright]

For the foreseeable future. By foreseeable future, you mean like the next six or seven weeks? Sure. By the end of the year. Let's see now. There's a lot to unpack here. One is. I apologize. I was getting dressed so I didn't see the entirety of your Justin Herbert interview. I'm sure it was great. But did you apologize to him for you losing all faith in this team's ability to even make the playoffs due to the Rashawn Slater injury? Did that come up at all that your love of Bo Nix, by the way, did Bo Nix get vetoed from conversation on. He seems like a big preseason topic. Not so much regular season. However, we have something much more important to discuss that I am going to surprise you with because I feel you might, for the first time in our wonderful relationship, owe me an apology because you are getting a lot of seemingly deserved run, even a little heat for what appears to be a Colin Cowherd original scorching take about Jim Harbaugh and where he is in the coaching pantheon.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Nick Wright]

To which I would say, and this might be jarring to the audience, cuz you're about to see a shaved head, 31 year old Nick Wright. Can we roll the tape of me From August of 2016 on your show filling in for you about Jim Harbaugh nine years ago? Roll it, please. I think Jim Harbaugh is the best football coach in the world. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Bill Belichick. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Nick Saban. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Urban Meyer. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Mike Tomlin. I think he is the best football coach there is. I mean, I mean, I mean you're a decade late, buddy. Everybody's like, oh, gol went out on a limb. I did that in your seat nine years ago. Now that was before Andy Reid became Andy Reid and kind of displaced him in my own brain. But still we're in lockstep on Harbaugh where you're not going to get any disagreement from me on that. I think he is, has shown his ability to win in any place, in any, at any level, through any style is unique and he is almost one of one in that regard. Yeah, I think you are a little too high on the Chargers as a whole simply because I, I think it is very rare in the NFL for you to win all of the big games when you've never won any of the big games. So this feels to me like a super great step in the right direction year, maybe divisional round playoff appearance for the first time in Herbert's career year. But I'm not ready to say that. I think they can go through the afc, but they look awesome. Herbert's playing great, the defense is awesome and Harbaugh's a legend. So I, I agree with you in that regard. I also think the Chiefs might be able to run them down when it's all said and done.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, my favorite part of that is you look so respectful and dignified. Your hair was short and now all of a sudden you got to get some ratings.

[Nick Wright]

And he looks like this is not the ratings. I honestly, I. Listen, I'm not. This is going to sound immodest. I don't mean it to. I just. It's more the money than the ratings. I just, I'm just, I just didn't, I didn't think I could pull off this look 10 years ago. Yeah, I'm a different man, you. By the way, we don't want to. I don't. This is right when the herd launched on FS1. We don't want to do a. You know, we both made some interesting hair choices in that era, if we all remember. But go ahead.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I was saying this about Jalen Hurts. You and I have been on this for years that size matters for quarterbacks and everybody after Russell Wilson's like Johnny Mandel and Bryce Young and Kyler and Tua and it's like guys, it matters. But I will say this. I said last week, I'm a quarterback traits elitist. I like him tall. I like big arms. I like mobility. I'm an elitist. And I was always with Jalen Hurts, you know, small. And I never knew what his great trait was. What's his superstar trait? He is the strongest quarterback pound for pound in league history. He may be the strongest player and as I watch them in the second half against the Rams, a defense that is giving everybody fits. He is really unique. He's also, despite his size, a great sideline thrower. He throws the ball up the sideline about as well as Mahomes. I mean, he's that good on the sidelines. I was saying, I look at Philadelphia and I've always been like the quarterback. I don't know. I think his strength is a superpower.

[Nick Wright]

So I think his intangibles and leadership are probably a superpower. I think the strength obviously helps immensely. Not just in what was called the tush push, but now branded Early Bird because they fall start every time. That's what their quarterback stinks called. Go ahead and call it Early Bird. Colin, get on early on that. Neither here the but no, here is what I find so interesting about Jalen Hurts because you're right to the sidelines. He's a great passer. Kind of the middle intermediate part of the field is maybe where the size hurts him a little bit. But he, it seems though like the biggest Jalen hurts. Fans believe in him more than his own coaching staff. They the only reason he got an opportunity to throw the ball Sunday was because they had no other choice. Even though he came through in the NFC title game, he came through in the Super Bowl. He had a year a few years ago where he was top three in MVP voting. They were refusing to open up the offense. And last year, Colin, that made sense because they had the best defense in the league and Saquon was averaging 150 a game and you were blowing people out. This year, Saquon hasn't yet popped, the defense hasn't been great and they still don't want to let Jalen throw. I find that really odd and I think it's interesting that they don't. That again, like Kevin Wilds, who loves Jalen hurts, seems to think he's better than Kev Petullo, the offensive coordinator for the Eagles. That part is weird. What I will say about Philadelphia is this and I'm sorry to invoke the Chiefs, but I must I find it very, very interesting how the Eagles are. You know, they, they win games blocking a kick, a guy drops a pass, a tipped pick and it is a sign of a team that just knows how to win. They even maybe get a few beneficial calls and it's just a be better. And the Chiefs last year were playing this exact same script and everyone say, oh, this has got to be coming to a crashing halt. The Eagles, like the Chiefs last year, know how to win games and while they might be winless in hypothetical scenarios if Ceedee caught it, if Travis caught it, if they don't block the kick, they are undefeated in the actual standings. And I do think winning is a team skill and the Eagles have found a way each and every week despite not playing their best football yet. And I think that's really impressive.

[Colin Cowherd]

I want to, I want to wrap on Caleb Williams. So there are certain things he doesn't do with consistency. His personality isn't terribly consistent. He can get very emotional. His accuracy isn't always consistent. And I my feeling is on Caleb Williams, unlike Brady, where you know exactly what you're getting and kind of like Jalen hurts, you kind of know what you get. You know what you don't get. Caleb is a bit of a roller coaster personality, accuracy. So as I watched him eat the Cowboys for lunch, my take is he's going to come out this week and he's going to struggle and you just have to come to terms with he has all this horsepower. But what Josh Allen has done to eliminate the reckless, I don't think he can do. I think they're different personalities and as I watch Caleb, I'm like, we just have to get comfortable with the fact that he is going to drive Ben Johnson crazy about every other series. I watched Ben Johnson's body language. Caleb drove him crazy six times and maybe that's just what he is.

[Nick Wright]

Well, I listen, it took Josh Allen six years to stop turning, to stop being a roller coaster. A guy who right now I think is in the midst of it is Jordan Love, who when he's good, he's great. And when he's bad, he gives the game away to the Browns, you know, so that can be a process. I don't necessarily agree with you, Colin, that I think this week Caleb's going to have a down game. Where I do agree with you is he seems like because of the. Right now I would say this sounds too harsh and I don't mean it to, but emotional immaturity, just the fact that he is. He kind of lives and dies with each play. Yes, that I think that it is. He is the type of player who when he is having a great game, it's going to lead to a greater game and if he misses a few throws, it can snowball against him. So I think a lot of it has to do with how a game starts and then does he avoid a pitfall early and then it can be a game like we saw this weekend. But I also think there is a huge opportunity for the Bears this weekend. They play the Raiders, then they have the buy. If they can beat the Raiders and even themselves at 2 and 2, then they have the buy. Then the next week, Colin is a game against the team that ended their season last year effectively in the Commanders and Jaden Daniels, they'd be coming off a bye. They'd be two and two. So I think this is a critical spot for Caleb and Ben to beat the Raiders. Steady yourself. Have two weeks to have that, you know, Caleb versus Jaden, Bears versus Commanders game and then see where he's at. But I do think it's going to be fits and starts. But you've seen already through 20 games of the kid's career, the overall talent level is so high that even if he doesn't fully tighten up everything else, his floor is going to be relatively high. And if he does tighten up the other stuff, he unequivocally can be the guy that I know coming out of college, you and I both thought he would be, which is one of the very best quarterbacks in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

Nick Wright. First things first. I loved your Harbaugh take. I forgot I was, you know, I was probably on vacay. I only get a couple.

[Nick Wright]

Well, definitely. I mean, I was sitting in your seat back. Listen, in 2016 you might not have gotten 20, 25 cowherd vacation days, but you still had some. You still, you still, you still were.

[Colin Cowherd]

Able to take a few days.

[Nick Wright]

And by the way, it's because of that that I'm here now. So I owe it to you, my friend. But yeah, harbaugh I was way ahead of you on that. That's fine. Don't worry about it. You can. I've stolen from you plenty, so you can take this one from me. I'll see you next week, buddy.

[Colin Cowherd]

First things first, my buddy, Nick Wright. You know, it's interesting thinking about Josh Allen. Josh Allen, when he started, and Buffalo is different from Chicago. Buffalo is a small market. It's very supportive. Is that Josh Allen's first year and a half? He was a turnover machine. He couldn't complete 58% of his throws. And it took him until about 18, 19, 20 games. And you're like, okay, he's jumping over linebackers. It's going to work. But again, in Buffalo, it's more supportive. It's a smaller market. And they'd had Jim Kelly before. They'd been to Super Bowls before. They got the quarterback right multiple times in Chicago. There's so many things working against the young quarterback who struggles. It's a very loud media. It's a major market. They can't get quarterback right. The team up north, the tiny market, always gets quarterback right. So you can make an argument, just make Caleb Williams work. We're going to give it three full years. We don't care what. That's what they did with Josh Allen. We think he's super talented. We think his horsepower is unbelievable. We're just going to go on and on. And Josh Allen every year just gets a little better. But it is harder when you're the Chicago Bears quarterback and they've never gotten the quarterback position right. And the guys up north, 30 minutes on a train up north, are the best team in the league at developing the most important position, the quarterback. It's a loud media. It's just hard. There are certain environments. It's just tougher for young people and our current economy more than any time in my life is really hard for even the kids that go to the Ivy League schools. We got a new environment, AI displacing jobs, blah, blah, blah. Chicago for quarterbacks, it's tough. It's a tough place. And they had a Jim Kelly, they had multiple Super Bowls. Maybe it would be different. But they were very patient with Josh Allen because of his horsepower, not because he was super accurate for the first year and a half or, I mean, like even the first year for Caleb Williams. He had six picks, he completed well over 60% of his throws, and the coaching staff was a mess. Josh Allen inherited Sean McDonough or Sean McDermott. Excuse me. So, I mean, he went to a team that had already made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor. They weren't in chaos. The Bears were in chaos. Coach on the hot seat. Caleb's like 20 touchdowns, six picks, 63 or 64% completion percentage and it was like disaster. So it's just harder in Chicago.

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[Rich]

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[Show Producer/Segment Host]

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[Covino]

Well, you know what it's called? Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years.

[Rich]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Even a little harder.

[Covino]

It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, we got so much show yet left, we are only halfway through it. Greg Olson stopping by Some thoughts on Jerry Jones I'm gonna to have to be very supportive despite losing for the Dallas Cowboys here in the next five Minutes. Huge weekend of college football again. Greg Olsen stops by JMAC with the news.

[Show Producer/Segment Host]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Turn on the news.

[Show Producer/Segment Host]

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[J Mac]

Love when we get some breaking news. Colin Jackson Dart in at quarterback for the New York Giants. Russell Wilson woefully inept against the Chiefs. Booed off the field. Enter Dart, who will start Sunday against the charges. I know it says minus six on the screen. I have checked some Vegas books. It's starting to head up. I'm just going to say this Jackson Dart has a lot of upside. Jesse Minter, the defensive coordinator of the Broncos has been amazing. And last year facing rookie quarterback Bo Nix, he put him in a body bag. Knicks could do nothing. It was like 20 to nothing in the midway through the fourth before some garbage time. I know it's a cross country trip for the Chargers and everybody's excited that. What were they for in the hurt hierarchy? They're really good. I would be surprised if Jackson Dart was able to pull this off and get the dub. I like the Chargers here.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't know. I like big favorites this weekend. I like the Packers. I like the Chargers.

[J Mac]

You could always, you could tease them. Do you do teasers in the, in the, in the picks?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm sure I never have because it feels like it's too much for the average fan watching.

[J Mac]

I mean the average fan is doing same game parlays and lighting money on fire. Teasers are way safer than that. But anyways, I'm optimistic to see Dart, but I mean, Colin, they don't have a lot of dudes. Cam Scatterboo was their leading receiver and rusher. Okay. The rookie from what, asu, Right?

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[J Mac]

I don't know. I'm worried about the kid, Andrew Thomas. Is he going to be on a pitch count again? The left tackle?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think he's been on a career pitch.

[J Mac]

We got some Russell Wilson stats here that are ghastly in the red zone this season. Russell Wilson 4 of 18 for 16 yards. Yeah, I mean, Colin, what the hell is that?

[Colin Cowherd]

I think it's, I think it's time to retire. I think this, this. I don't think he's gonna have a market.

[J Mac]

Yeah, I mean basically an off season story. Is Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer? You probably say no. I will argue the other side because that's what we do on the show. Let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens. We gotta go back to last night's shocker. Detroit Lions beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Look at this. Aiden Hutchison punch out Of Derrick Henry. His second fourth quarter fumble lost against Buffalo. It kind of flipped the game and last night was brutal. Here's Henry talking about his fumbleitis.

[Colin Cowherd]

Lost some words, man. Working, working in practice three games straight in my career, fumbles and critical moments just, yeah, ain't a good friend. I apologize to Roc Nation and I just want to keep working and get this fixed. Listen, Adrian Peterson had a fumble problem. Tiki Barber did at one point in.

[J Mac]

His career, but those guys were young. Henry's 31 and turns 32 in junior.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen, he feels terrible. Like, I have great sympathy for people who screw up and feel terrible. Lamar Jackson looked like he wasn't happy with him again. He's a great player. He feels awful about it. And these punch outs, this is like a thing now, the last two to three years, this is happening. The NFL doesn't love fumbles, they don't love change of possessions. But I mean, there are certain guys in this league that do it well and it's become, you see one to two a game, balls knocked out, just punched out. I feel so bad for the guy because he's so much about winning. He's so. He has such a work ethic. He's such a committed guy.

[J Mac]

I got, by the way, Aiden Hutchinson last night was a monster.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, he's great.

[J Mac]

He was dominant. Need to move him up the edge rusher rankings, if those exist. Final story, Colin. Let's go to the first European trip of the season. We're going to Ireland. Dublin. I have a funny Dublin joke, but I won't tell it on air. Vikings, Steelers, Pittsburgh somehow is 2 and 1. They gotta be the worst 2 and 1 team in the league. Terry Bradshaw agrees. He said this team does not, does not have championship pedigree.

[Jerry Jones]

They're not ever going to fire Mike Tomlins. If they continue. They made the playoffs 18 years and he wins it, he'll go again. 19 years.

[Colin Cowherd]

They don't have.

[Jerry Jones]

They are always competitive, but they're, they're past being a contender. They're not a contender. They're just, they're just not. From what I've seen, they're not a contender and they haven't been in a while. They had been a contender in five years.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I mean, if you go last year, they beat all the bad quarterbacks, then went 05 down the stretch. They have a. This. If you look at the offense and you're being honest, New England completely outplayed them. I mean, New England, it's not every team that wins is the better team. New England gave the game away. Now you could say, oh, the Steelers made great defensive plays. I mean, Drake May threw a end zone interception that was probably the worst interception of the year. I mean, it was, it was on a short list of bad interceptions. So. But you know, they got a winning record. I think. I like Minnesota.

[J Mac]

I love Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, quick note. I think the Patriots had five turnovers against the Steelers. And remember the jets were in control of that game before the kick returner fumbles. Jets ended up cutting him. Pittsburgh, I mean, come on, this is not a good football team. I cannot wait until these guys are cooked and we stop talking about Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers. The run is over. Like Tomlin, great coach, hall of Famer, all that stuff. Rodgers going to the hall of Fame. They're just not fun. Do you watch them like Colin? They are a boring team. They're not interesting at all. I can't find any compelling reason to pay attention to these guys except to wake up and bet against them. Hey, real quick, Colin. Brian Flores last year, remember the international game against Rodgers when he was on the Jets? Oh, it was brutal. Rogers couldn't do anything. So I like the Vikings here for sure.

[Colin Cowherd]

I do too. J Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.

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[Colin Cowherd]

The Dallas Cowboys and yes, Jerry Jones deserve a lot of credit. Jerry was talking yesterday and I love what he said. That's next. The herd.

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Cool.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Jerry Jones Sometimes you make a business deal and you know you're going to get beat up for a year. Like when the Lakers traded Shaq to Miami. The Heat were ready to win a title. But in the big picture, the more dedicated athlete, the more obsessed athlete who was had far more prime years left was the late Kobe Bryant. It was a good move by the Lakers, but you knew you were going to get the, you know what kicked out of you for about a year or two because the Heat were ready to win a title. So trading Micah to the packers is bad news until April. It'll be bad for the Dallas Cowboys. They're going to get, you know, Mike is going to play on tv, he's going to have big games. The packers are super bowl worthy. You're going to lose it for a year. But you know what the Cowboys have now with multiple first round picks, four first round picks the next couple years? Flexibility. Packers don't even have first round picks. They got flexibility, financial flexibility, draft flexibility. And Jerry Jones said in the last couple days he would even think of trading one of those first round picks to go get another current star player in the league.

[Jerry Jones]

To use that capital, you've got to have the opportunity to use it. I had the opportunity to really do some good with those picks, I would do it. You've got to have something that comes your way that's really special and if you've got the currency to do it, which in this case it would be draft picks, we'll do it.

[Colin Cowherd]

I have seen in my life too many bosses that make decisions trying to win the press conference and make sure the media critics, they don't come after us, lack vision, lack courage. I've been doing this 35 years. Sometimes you're going to get whacked for a year. When you make a decision, is it in the best long term interest of the franchise. Micah's really good. You could go draft the next Micah next year. But having four first round picks you could trade down, you could move up because Dax play is so strong right now, you don't need a quarterback. So nothing better. And I think the Cowboys are going to finish in the top seven or eight picks. They're not a very good football team. They're beat up with CD Lamb. Dig's not playing well. Mike has gone. It's not a very good team, not a very good coaching staff. So in the end, leverage, flexibility, that long term is what all the great teams need. Not a really good pass rusher who clogs up a lot of your salary cap. Props to Jerry for having the courage. Not consumed, willing to take the hit for a year until April. Jerry's going to get duck because Micah may Have the big sack in the super bowl and every columnist will write he doesn't know what he's doing. And then April comes around and the packers don't have a first round pick. And then the Cowboys have two and can leverage it into multiple other picks or trade and get another good edge rusher. Call the Raiders. We'll take Max Crosby at first. All right. Big college weekend. And I noticed something about this big college weekend. 21st ranked USC underrated at 23. Illinois probably a little overrated. Number one, Ohio State at Washington. Number six, Oregon at number three, Penn State. Three very interesting college games in the Big Ten. Have you noticed anything about those three games? None of these games would have existed just two years ago. Instead, you would have had Washington hosting Cal and you would have had Oregon at Washington State or USC facing the Beavers. That's fine. College football in my life has had two major problems. A big game problem, Too regional. Too many small games that matter to a single state or maybe two. And December was a wasteland of unwatchable bowl games that can't sell tickets and have to give them away. Both of those issues have been resolved. The late great John Madden used to say, certain games sound big. Niners against the packers, regardless of record, sounds big. Eagles, Cowboys, regardless of record, always sounds big. You know what sounds big? Ohio State at Husky Stadium. That sounds big. Even though Ohio State's a lot better, you know it sounds big. Oregon at Penn State and usc. Red hot. Most sacks in the country. Number one offense against a team in the Midwest that sounds big. Or bigger than Cal and Washington at Husky Stadium. So I am for tradition when it's great, like explosives on 4th of July. I like fireworks or Christmas. But you're not going to convince me that eliminating the classic Stanford against Arizona State football game every October is bringing me to the emotional cliff. Too many people love tradition when tradition's not that special. Yes, Thanksgiving dinner is. Yes, Christmas is fireworks. Yeah, I get it. There are certain holidays that are big. Michigan, Ohio State, Duke, Carolina. In basketball, we all agree. But Major League Baseball needed tweaks. They did it. And the ratings are up. And college football was incredibly regional. And then they combined the four big names in the Pac 12, move them to the Midwest and I'm getting a lot more big game. Justin Herbert was on an hour ago. He can't wait for Oregon. Penn State.

[Justin Herbert]

I always make time to watch Oregon. You know, growing up, a Duck fan playing there, you know, it's been so fun to watch them play. And you know, I think that's kind of the cool thing about going to the Big Ten and playing all these, these fun teams is you're going to go to the east coast and you're going to have some big games and you know, not always was that the case in the PAC 12. And I know the Ducks are really excited and, and you know, Eugene is loving it too, so it's really cool to see.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. And for the record, Ohio State may run Washington out of the building. I think it'll be pretty close. College teams when they go on the road aren't quite as powerful. Ohio State will win, maybe it'll be ugly, but it feels big. Oregon, Penn State should be great. That feels massive. But USC and Illinois, it feels big. I mean USC last year struggled against non traditional powers on the road. Struggled, lost to Maryland, lost to Minnesota. So it actually feels really big. It's the first time usc, which by the way beat LSU last year, beat Texas A and M last year. I think they've won like six of their last seven. They're on like a four, five game winning streak, something like that. It's, it's, I think it's the second longest winning streak in the Big Ten, so. But I'm not anti tradition, but you know what? Electric vehicles, when I lived in Los Angeles and didn't have to go to a gas station where the gas prices got as high as 650. I know you like that V8, I understand it, I'm not against it, but I kind of liked an ev where I plug it in at night and never have to go to a gas station and it doesn't make a lot of noise and it's quiet and it's fast and it's 0 to 60 in one second. I kind of like that too. Not every tradition is great. So a massive weekend in college football, you know. J. Mac, I got to go back, I want to go back to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones saying I may trade one of those first round picks for a player. If you go look at the Cowboys the last three years, the one thing, I mean, they were a good offensive team, they made the playoffs, they had exciting players. But the one thing the Cowboys lacked, they didn't have any flexibility. They couldn't pay $8 million for Derrick Henry when they had the worst running back room in the league. And Jerry Jones has always been this deal maker. So basically you had the world's best poker player and he didn't have any, he, he had no leverage and no flexibility. Dallas is going to get crushed if Green Bay wins the super bowl and they, they have a very good chance to do that. They're going to be 100 anti Jerry Jones. It's the worst trade ever. And that's fine. But come April, when you don't need a quarterback and have two first round picks. The Rams do they need a quarterback. The Browns do they need a quarterback. Dallas is going to be in unbelievable shape in April.

[J Mac]

Spare me, bro. Listen, it's not like Dallas is one player away from contending. I mean their defense cannot get. I'm looking at some EPA numbers here, bro. They're second worst defense in the league, Colin. They're so far away from contending. And you outline this at the top. When we talked about quarterbacks in the afc, you pay them and all of a sudden the rest of the roster stinks. That's the Cowboys. They're the Bengals of the nfc. And now CD Lamb's out. So you got Dak and petulant Carl Pickens. Not Carl Pickens, George Pickens. And a running back room that's eh. Your center's out what, four to six weeks? Dude, they're not even close to contending. They Washington who got snubbed in your hurt hierarchy by the way, were they? How are they not ahead of the.

[Colin Cowherd]

Chargers had the worst defense in the league. Then they hired the right coach and the same guys, same players. If you had an elite coaching staff, not Brian Schottenheimer and Matt Eberfluss, it looks even worse because of the staff. Jim Harbaugh and Jesse Minter took a defense that was 32nd to first. The same guys. I'm not saying they have a boson of Khalil Mack. Coaching matters. Cowboys don't have them.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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