THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Herd Hierarchy, the fall of the Bills and Packers, Nick Wright

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd

Hour 2 – New Herd Hierarchy, the Fall of the Bills and Packers, Nick Wright
Date: November 11, 2025
Guests: Nick Wright, Jason McIntyre

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Colin Cowherd unveils his updated "Herd Hierarchy" for NFL teams, dives into the struggles of the Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills, and welcomes Fox Sports’ Nick Wright for a spirited, nuanced debate about quarterback tiers, coaching futures, and NFL identity crises. The trio—Colin, Nick, and Jason McIntyre—navigate controversy around Sam Darnold’s ascendance, LeBron’s future role with the Lakers, and the Giants’ coaching carousel, balancing sharp takes with banter and signature Herd humor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Remarks and Packers’ Struggles

Timestamps: 00:00–04:46

• Colin opens reflecting on a dismal Packers performance: “What a mess that was last night. 0–0 at half. Green Bay is just lost. They don’t know what they are. Run the ball. LaFleur loves to run the ball...It’s a weird offense with no rhythm.” (02:35)
• A depleted wide receiver room compounds things—Colin is flummoxed as Bo Melton, a converted corner, drops a key 4th down pass: “Why are you targeting a cornerback on 4th and 9?” (04:32)

2. The Herd Hierarchy – Top 10 NFL Teams

Timestamps: 04:46–11:29

• Colin methodically unveils his top 10:
  • #10 Indianapolis Colts: Best run game, “the real deal” but limited by Daniel Jones’ turnovers and a ceiling despite Jonathan Taylor’s insane yards-after-contact numbers.
  • #9 Los Angeles Chargers: “Justin Herbert’s unbelievable,” overcoming the worst pass blocking seen by Colin, yet excelling on third downs.
  • #8 Detroit Lions: Consistency, road prowess for Goff—Colin questions Campbell’s situational decisions.
  • #7 Baltimore Ravens: Not caring about record, “Lamar’s teams average 30 points a game.”
  • #6 Denver Broncos: Winning isn’t sustainable via constant comebacks. Defense, O-line, coaching keep them afloat.
  • #5 Kansas City Chiefs: Shrug off so-so run game; “When has Mahomes ever had a great one?”
  • #4 Philadelphia Eagles: Four road wins vs. winning teams; “They don’t turn it over, great in the red zone.”
  • #3 New England Patriots: No #1 receiver, young QB, “five and oh on the road,” “just watching a great coach, a great, emerging quarterback.”
  • #2 Seattle Seahawks: Elite defense, “No faster defense in the league.” Sam Darnold has “the weirdest turnovers,” but the unit is loaded.
  • #1 Los Angeles Rams: Superior efficiency, minimal penalties or turnovers; lauded for their completeness.
• Colin on Buffalo: “Everyone wants me to put Buffalo in…I can’t.” (11:29)

3. The State and Identity of the Bills and Packers

Timestamps: 11:29–13:53

• The show pivots to why Buffalo is out of the top 10.
  • Jason: “Could you really pick Daniel Jones over Josh Allen in a playoff game?” (12:06)
  • Nick: “The Bills can’t stop the run. The Colts are the best run team. Josh [Allen] is gonna watch the game from the sidelines.” (12:08)
• Concerns about Denver: “Bo Nix is not good. That’s a big problem in Denver.” (12:56)
• Nick and Jason discuss the Broncos’ tricky window: “You can’t keep these guys for very long…windows are like 18 months in this league.” (13:35)

4. Sam Darnold’s Emergence and ‘Victory Lap’

Timestamps: 13:53–16:13

• Jason jests about Colin’s long-standing faith in Sam Darnold, likening the payoff to a Supreme Court-level vindication: “As if in five years, bill is passed and wearing your hat backwards is illegal…” (14:20)
• Colin: “I always knew that Shanahan loved him…a lot of the Darnold thing was everybody I know likes him.” Cites a GM comparing Darnold to Andrew Luck: “Darnold’s like 79% Andrew Luck.” (15:15)

5. Quarterback Tiers—What Separates Good from Great

Timestamps: 16:13–20:14

• Colin’s insight: “You really do see the gap between the top five or six guys and good guys. Mahomes wins with no run game. Good QBs like Love and Hurts—they need help.” (16:35)
• Jason: Argues Hurts is a “winner,” albeit “hard to evaluate” due to inconsistency, while Love “is a very talented player who has not harnessed the talent.” (17:46)
• Possible LaFleur hot seat? Jason was “shocked” by Athletic report suggesting it. (18:50)

6. Giants Coaching Drama and Futures

Timestamps: 20:14–23:29

• Colin: “I believe in the substitute teacher theory. Midseason firings bump a team, but then reality sets in.”
• Jason unpacks Dable’s record decline—going 13–38 in his last 50 games, with “four double-digit fourth quarter meltdowns” (21:24).
• Discusses a scenario in which Brian Dable could reunite with Josh Allen in Buffalo if McDermott is fired: “I think there is a scenario where this actually works out really well for Dable.” (23:00)

7. NBA Tangent—LeBron’s Future and Lakers Without Him

Timestamps: 23:29–28:19

• Nick (riffing on Chris Broussard): On NBA stars, “Your game is your game. Westbrook’s game is his game…LeBron at 41, Luka is now a much better offensive player. It’s beautiful ball.” (23:29)
• Jason and Nick debate if the Lakers actually benefit when LeBron is sitting, and if LeBron’s return will hurt the team’s offensive flow.
  • Jason: “I think this is the game one: LeBron didn’t clap enough. People panicked. Game seven: he’s all into it. The fact that the Lakers are playing this well without LeBron only speaks to that… they could be dangerous.” (25:40)
  • Nick: “This offense is beautiful to watch right now. It won’t be as beautiful because LeBron needs the ball. He’s not an off-ball player...your game is your game.” (28:19)

8. Seattle vs. Rams – The Real NFC Power?

Timestamps: 29:21–32:07

• Colin, Nick, and Jason debate the importance of the Seahawks–Rams matchup.
  • Colin: “Rams are a more efficient version of Seattle.”
  • Nick: “Seattle is better on the road...they’re tucked up in the northwest. They’re good.” (31:33)
  • Jason: “Seattle hasn’t beaten a top 15 quarterback yet. Now they face the MVP favorite [Rams]. This is a wake-up call.” (30:45)
• Colin acknowledges that while Seattle’s record is impressive, the quality of wins remains questionable.

9. Wrap-up/Closing Thoughts on NFL Identity

Timestamps: 53:22–55:44

• Colin underscores the value of “identity” for NFL teams:
  • “What’s Green Bay’s identity? Offensively, they have none. And Buffalo can’t stop the run…Every team on that list, I know their strengths and their liabilities. Buffalo just has a great quarterback. Green Bay has a really good roster. I just don’t feel I have any identity with the Buffalo Bills. And that’s my knock.” (53:22)
  • On choosing the Colts over Buffalo in a hypothetical playoff: “Colts would run for 200 yards, and Josh Allen would be having an uneven game watching from the sidelines.”
  • “When you lose, you’re in a slump, you have injuries, you gotta know what to go back to.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Packers confusion:
  “Why are you targeting a cornerback on 4th and 9? I was perplexed by the offense.” — Colin Cowherd (04:32)
• On Bills’ playoff prospects:
  “The Bills can’t stop the run. The Colts are the best run team. Josh [Allen] is gonna watch that game from the sidelines…they’re gonna get dominated, time of possession.” — Nick Wright (12:08)
• On Sam Darnold’s vindication:
  “There is no greater victory lap imaginable for you than the fact that Sam Darnold might be the starting quarterback for the best team in football.” — Jason McIntyre to Colin (14:20)
• On quarterback tiers:
  “When you take the run game away from Mahomes and Herbert, who cares? When you take it away from good quarterbacks—Baker, Jordan [Love], Hurts—they don’t win as much.” — Colin Cowherd (16:35)
• On Brian Dable’s firing:
  “Brian Dable in his first nine games as Giants head coach went 7-2. After that, he went 13-38 in his final 50ish games as a head coach. That will get you fired.” — Jason McIntyre (21:24)
• On the Lakers with/without LeBron:
  “I just suggested it needs to be considered that some of the ascension is the ball movement, the spacing. It’s Luka’s team. I don’t want LeBron taking the ball.” — Nick Wright (26:16)
• On NFL identity:
  “I can’t put you in the top 10 if you don’t have an identity through 60% of the season.” — Colin Cowherd (53:24)
• On NFL reality:
  “You can say, ‘Who have they beaten?’ This league, there’s a lot of 500 teams … you can always use the argument, well, who have they beaten? But [Seattle is] a weird turnover from being 8-1.” — Colin Cowherd (30:08)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Packers’ malaise & wide receiver issues: 00:00–04:46
• Herd Hierarchy rundown: 04:46–11:29
• Bills/Colts playoff hypothetical & Buffalo’s struggles: 11:29–13:53
• Bo Nix’s ceiling and Broncos’ window: 13:13–13:53
• Darnold’s transformation & coaching futures: 13:53–16:13
• QB greatness tiers: 16:13–20:14
• Giants’ coaching debate: 20:14–23:29
• LeBron/Lakers, team identity without star: 23:29–28:19
• Seahawks–Rams stakes: 29:21–32:07
• NFL identity and closing reflections: 53:22–55:44

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Tone and Style

The episode is classic Herd: opinionated, conversational, by turns analytical and playful, with sharp jabs at underperforming teams but always grounded by Cowherd’s overarching quest for clarity in “team identity.” Nick Wright and Jason McIntyre bring their own distinct flavors—Nick’s measured bravado and Jason’s probing skepticism—yielding spirited debates punctuated by laughter and a sense of sports talk as high-wire act.

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Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Nick Wright]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, the wide receiver room is real beat up. Matthew golden missed and then they. They were playing a converted cornerback, Bo Melton at wide receiver. Did you see that drop he had on fourth down? Why are you targeting a cornerback on fourth down and nine? I. I was perplexed by the offense.

[Nick Wright]

All right, it is time. What to do with the Buffalo Bills? What to do with the Green Bay Packers? Let's hit it. Herd hierarchy. Herd hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams according to college. Number 10. Indianapolis has the number one scoring offense. Number one in yards per play, number one in total offense. They've scored 30 plus points in five or six games. Do they have a ceiling with Daniel Jones? Yep, he's becoming Daniel Jones again. A lot of giveaways, but here's a Remarkable number on Jonathan Taylor. He has over 800 yards after contact after he's been hit. So this offense is the real deal. It's got a ceiling. But I put Indy. They got to be in here. I put him at 10. Number nine. Justin Herbert's unbelievable. The Chargers have the worst pass blocking line I think I've ever seen. And yet their second best in the NFL. On third down, how they're a number three running back. How the fact that they're six and one against the AFC three and oh, against their division. They don't really have a true number one on their third best running back. And the pass blocking line is egregiously bad. Justin Herbert's been hit pressured 113 times. Second place, 24 fewer times. Herbert and Harbaugh deserve to be in here. Nine. Number eight Lions. You listen, they win. They don't. They haven't lost back to back games since like 2022. Longest streak in the league, so. And say what you want, Jared Goff, 70 plus completion percentage in eight straight road games. That extends an NFL record. We always thought of him as good inside, bad on the road. He looked pretty good to me. They've got Multiple guys with eight plus touchdowns. Amaran, St. Brown, Jameer Gibbs, you know, do we trust Dan Campbell situationally in big spots? I don't know if I do. He took over play calling duties this weekend. Not Great. Detroit at 8, number 7. Ravens don't care about their record. These aren't standings. Basically they average 30 points a game and 6.1 yards of play when Lamar Jackson plays. Sorry, you're going to make the list. Also, if they play the NFC, take them. They're 25 and three. I like the roster when healthy. I like the quarterback, I like the coach. Don't care much about the record. As long as they stay healthy, they'll be a playoff team. They're going to win this division. I think after you watch Pittsburgh against the Chargers, that's fairly obvious. Number six, the Broncos. You can't keep winning this way. And I don't think they're going to beat Kansas City this weekend. They're one of two teams, the Saints or the other, to trail in every game. It's not sustainable. But they've won seven games in a row because their coach is great, their defense is stacked, their O line's excellent. Fewest sacks allowed, yet most sacks delivered. That's very rare in the NFL. I got Denver at six, number five. But Kansas City's going to beat him this weekend. They're the current favorite to beat him this weekend and they've outgained seven of the last eight opponents. Listen, I don't love their run game but I mean I went back and looked this morning. How many great run games is Patrick Mahomes had? Coach, coordinator, weapons. I like them. You know, Buffalo tends to circle the wagons and play their best game every year in the regular season. Against Kansas City. Congratulations. How's that working out for you? I got Kansas City at five, number four, the enigmatic Eagles at four. Listen, they're four and one against teams with winning records. They sort of play to their competition. So they beat the Rams and the Chiefs and the Bucks and the Packers. They beat good teams and they beat them on the road. They do not give the ball up. I said this about Caleb Williams. He doesn't throw picks. The Eagles don't turn the ball over and they're very good in the red zone. So again, playoff football November football is situational football. It's winning on the road and they do. And by the way, Jalen Phillips, you notice last night they pressured Jordan Love on 40% of his drop backs. That is a heist to get Jalen Phillips at the trade deadline for a third down pick. And if he leaves, you get a third round pick back. That is great. GMing number three, the Patriots, I mean they go to Buffalo, they win. They play Tampa off a buy, they win. Drake May 8 of 9 games, 100 plus passer rating. I'm sorry. And he's doing it without a number one wide receiver. A good, not great offensive line. They're five and oh on the road. That counts for something on this list. And they've got a lockdown corner and almost nobody in the league does. They're seven and oh, and Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon plays. So I mean you're just, you're just watching a great coach, a great emerging quarterback, Kyle Williams, the wide receiver and Travion Henderson play them please this weekend they did and they were exceptional. Number two, the Seahawks best point differential in the nfc. Sam Darnold is the highest squidded quarterback in the league. I mean he's just fantastic. Tied for the fewest sacks allowed on offense. So they've got. There can be a little reckless. Darnold has the weirdest turnovers. Ricocheting balls off a tight end helmet. But turn the sound down and look at this deep. It reminds me of Kansas City's defense about three years ago when it was really young. Turn the sound down. There is no faster defense in this league. Everybody Runs the safeties, the linebackers, the edge rushers. Everybody runs on this team. Depth everywhere. No glaring hole. Seattle at two, number one. But the Rams are a more efficient version of Seattle. You don't get the penal ease, you don't get the turnovers. Once again, PFF rates them as the number one team, the number one offense, the number three defense. Now Seattle's got a quarterback that can move around. Kansas City does, Buffalo does. Baltimore does. I do think as a purely pocket quarterback you can get into those weird situations if you're not running the ball, their offense can get stuck. But right now, coaching, quarterbacking, run game, pass rush, no penalties, they don't turn it over. They are the cleanest team in the league. With that Nick Wright, first things first. He usually has a good. Everybody wants me to put Buffalo in.

[Jason McIntyre]

I can't.

[Nick Wright]

I'm watching the games. I cannot put them in. I'm sorry. They're not a top 10 team in the league.

[Jason McIntyre]

So I was, I'll admit I was a little surprised you didn't have Buffalo in. That would.

[Colin Cowherd]

That was.

[Jason McIntyre]

I had three real takeaways. So let's start with Buffalo first. Let's say the first round of the playoffs is the two seed Indianapolis Colts.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Hosting.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

The seven seed Buffalo Bills Colts. You're really, I think you're gonna, you're gonna stare at Daniel Jones versus Josh Allen for a week and go with Daniel Jones.

[Nick Wright]

O. The Bills can't stop the run. The Colts are the best run team. Josh is going to watch. Josh is going to watch that game from the sidelines. They're going to get dominated. Time of possession.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, listen, that's fair. I don't know. That might actually be the smarter analysis. I just couldn't live with myself. I can lose a bet and be okay with it. I can't lose a bet and be like did I lose? Did I pick Daniel Jones over Josh Allen in a playoff game? All right, second question and then a compliment. You, you're not trotting out there. The look at Bo Nix's numbers when trailing graphic too much anymore, are you Colin? That guy's not good. He's not good. Bo Nicks is not good. Like the rest of the team's really good. Bonix. That's a problem. That's a big problem in Denver and that is like because the defense is awesome. The coach is really good. The offensive line is spectacular and it feels like they are lucky every week that that's a real concern for them.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, I mean young people need time to grow. I'm kind of over it. Because he had 61 college starts. I said this past week, I said it would not shock me because the roster is so complete that if Sean Payton said, well, we got the 24th pick, I'll take Sellers from South Carolina and just sit him for a year. No, I mean. And I like Bo Nix, but Sean Payton's not sitting around. He's not 42 years old. He's not McVeigh. And the roster, you know. You know this. You can't keep these guys for very long. When your roster's as good as Denver, guys have to get paid. Your windows are like 18 months in this league.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. My dream is a different one, which is the Broncos get the wild card, somehow upset someone in round one of the playoffs. And Bo Nix has won a playoff game, and that leads to him, a year from now, getting that big second contract. I would love the Broncos in the AFC west to be tied to Bo Knicks for the next five years. And last but not least, a compliment at your own restraint at not putting Seattle number one when you could have. And I just have a question for you.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

How does it feel to have held the Sam Darnold stock this long through that Sam Darnold's last year and a half would. I can only compare it to. As if in five years bill is passed and wearing your hat backwards is called illegal, punishable by six months in jail. Like, there is no greater victory lap imaginable for you than the fact that Sam Darnold might be the starting quarterback for the best team in football and a big reason why Seattle's unbelievable.

[Nick Wright]

Well, you know what I've always done. I know what I'm not good at, which is a lot. And so I often rely on people who are smarter than me and their opinion. And I always knew that Shanahan loved him. I always knew that Kyle Shanahan was always like, a Darnold guy. And I knew that McVeigh liked him, and I knew Kevin O' Connell liked him. And I'm like, those are three of the smartest guys in the league. And they all like him. And then when you watch everybody leaves the jets and just gets better, and you're like, okay, nothing works there. Nothing in the world works there. So a lot of the Darnold thing was everybody I know likes him. I came out and I said, he. He has. He's not Andrew Luck. But I said, he shares the qualities. People crushed me for years. I didn't get that by myself. I got that from a GM that says, I know how much you like luck. Darnold's like 79% Andrew Luck. And so I just.

[Jason McIntyre]

So does this, does this mean that I should hold out hope that in three years when Trevor Lawrence is the starting quarterback for the 49ers, that I'm going to have this moment that I'm going to be like, I never left him. That's my guy. It just needed in the right circumstances. No one works in Jacksonville. I don't know, man, but that's great. Great hierarchy.

[Nick Wright]

Okay, I want to ask you, I said this about last night. I had a little bit of a revelation. Is that when you watch what Mahomes has done in his career, winning Super Bowls with average run game and bad receiving core, or you watch this year, which is unbelievable, the Chargers are the second best third down team in the league with the worst O line and no run game. You really do see the gap between the top five or six guys and good guys. And last night the Eagles are the packers, just a better version. They have a good quarterback, but both Love and Hurts had a great run game last year and they looked exceptional. When you take the run game away from Mahomes and Herbert, who cares? But when you take it away from good quarterbacks, Baker, Jordan, Hurts, they don't win as much. And they're not the same. And that game, 00 and half. It's not about the quarterbacks. It's about they don't have a run game and they're not. They're not. There's only about five guys in my life at any one time at quarterback, Burrow gets to a Super bowl with an atrocious O line. Mahomes can do that. Right? So my take is Eagles, packers, we've just. And I'm guilty. We've overstated Love and Hurts into this Mahomes class. And they're not.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, well, listen, they're certainly not in the Mahomes class and I, I want to stay focused on what your actual point is. So I will try to resist the urge to be like, when did Herbert get in that class? Like her. Look at her. Justin Herbert's overcome all this. Why? Because they're seven and three right now. Because it's year six and he might win his first playoff game, might have his first 11 win season. But set that aside. The Herbert stuff, we'll see. I know the rules with Justin Herbert. When they're awesome, Justin Herbert's awesome. And when they're not, Justin Herbert needs more help. I know that let's talk love and hurts. Hertz is just hurts is almost in his own category of quarterbacks because it looks so pedestrian and so hard for such long stretches. And then it seems like in the like the third and long to Devonta Smith which won them the game, he makes the play, he can be doing nothing with his legs all game and then he can have one really good scramble. And while I am not a quarterback win zealot, he has been so successful and such a winner that I have to be like, man, there is something weird about him that makes him hard to evaluate. Jordan Love is not that hard to evaluate for me. I think he is a very talented player who has not harnessed the talent. And I think that I said it on to you, Colin. The day after the Micah trade that that instantly made Jordan Love the most interesting player in the league because if he was simply the 10th best quarterback in football this year, they can win the super bowl. And if he was the fifth best quarterback in football this year, they would win the super bowl because I thought the defense could be that good. The defense has been that good. Aside from the weird game against Dallas, the defense has been dominant week in, week out. And yet even though his numbers for the season are actually fine, you watch him and you're like, man, something's just missing. And I'm not saying he's not going to get there, but he isn't young because he's, you know, this is his third year as the full time starter but he sat for so long that you would have hoped he would be more consistent at this point. And I was shocked by the athletic article this morning that basically puts out there that Matt LaFleur's seat could be hot. Like I didn't see that storyline coming at all. But it seems like it's where we are.

[Nick Wright]

I got I want Giants fired. Day bowl jets did the same last year. So I'm a believer in the substitute teacher theory. Everybody loves them. So if you fire a coach mid season and you just happened when we've seen Miami, they fired the GM and the team's elevated everybody. I mean they moved off Jalen Phillips and the team was elevated. You get that. So keep Dable to the end. He and Jackson Dart get along and then move off it. Now Mike Kafka takes over who doesn't have a big presence. I'm not sure if he's a CEO guy, but he's a smart guy from Northwestern who played. He reels off three straight wins. He gets the job. Well, these new York jobs when they hire coordinators don't work. They hired Coughlin, they hire Parcells. You need a big presence. So my takeaway is I wouldn't have fired him. But there's an argument and you're, you're somebody that's on this a lot. That situation in that game against the Bears, they're flying back and the owner's like, why didn't we go for it? Why are we kicking field goals? Do you think the blue tent issue got him fired? The situation on fourth down got him fired? Because I think all of it.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, Colin, listen. So I, so I have a lot of thoughts here. I'll go quickly. First of all, the simplest explanation is this, and this is a stunning number. Brian Dable in his first nine games as Giants head coach went 7 and 2. After that, he went 13 and 38. 13 and 38 in his final 50ish games as a head coach. That will get you fired. Four double digit fourth quarter meltdowns this year that will get you fired. The fact that I thought he was, you know, Jackson Dart has something like 25 designed quarterback runs this year already despite being in and out of the blue tent four times this year. He's been checked for four concussions, one of which was a real concussion, one of which Dabel melted down at the team doctor. So all of, listen, Brian Dabel maybe got a little unlucky on certain spots. His record, he deserved to be fired. But can I paint a scenario for you? Because who loves Brian Dable? Josh Allen.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. Who?

[Jason McIntyre]

Some people feel like, you know, Mrs. Brian Dable. Josh Allen. Now the reporting from Tyler Dunn is that, you know, Allen, I'm sorry Dable and McDermott didn't really get along great. And that even if Dable hadn't gotten the head coaching job, that he might have left Buffalo. If you're right about Buffalo and they are one and done in the playoffs.

[Nick Wright]

Yep.

[Jason McIntyre]

And they decide they have to move off McDermott. Is it crazy the idea that Josh Allen might say, hey, let Brian Dable be my head coach here, not my offensive coordinator, my head coach here. Like, I think there is a scenario where this actually works out really well for Dable. I'm not, I'm not, you know, picking that, but I think it's on the board. If Buffalo has the type of season that you think they could have, I.

[Nick Wright]

Want to shift to NBA. Your buddy and my buddy Chris Broussard always uses this line and it's so true in basketball. Your game is your game. Your game is your Game. Westbrook's game is his game. With LeBron in his prime, he took some oxygen from the offense. It ran through him. Durant put him in a corner, get him in the ball late in the shot clock, he'll average 28. That's not LeBron at 41. Luke is now a much better offensive player and probably. And probably in shape. Luke is a better player. Austin Reaves has never played this good through 8 games. Rui has never played this good through 11. Deandre Ayton, JJ Redick creates such great space. This is what he does. Everybody's got space and the ball moves and it's joyful. And LeBron's not playing and the numbers are surging at 28. Bring him back. It'll all work.

[Jason McIntyre]

This is crazy at 41.

[Nick Wright]

Crazy ball stopper LeBron.

[Jason McIntyre]

Colin, he was sixth in MVP voting at 40 last year, not 28 last year. And he knows a ball stopper last year. I mean, I'm just curious.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Where is. Where are the people arguing? Oklahoma City, 8 and 1. Annihilating people maybe don't bring their second best player, Jalen Williams, back because he's been out all year. That's what you're like.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't.

[Jason McIntyre]

I don't. What LeBron has proven throughout his career is that he's a chameleon. He can play whatever style you need him to play. Historically, his teams have needed him to be the de facto point guard, but there was one year for the Lakers, he was their center, and that worked out as well as it could have. It is nothing but positive that the Lakers are playing this well without LeBron. The idea that, let's just say, conservatively, he is. He fell off over the summer, and he went from again last year, second team All NBA, sixth in MVP voting, to say he's now the 15th best player in basketball.

[Nick Wright]

All right.

[Jason McIntyre]

What a benefit that is to add. One of the best passers ever, one of the smartest players ever, and a guy who is still wildly efficient as your second or third option. Like, I think this is the game one. LeBron didn't clap enough. People panicked by game seven. He's all into it, and people are now saying maybe they shouldn't use him or should try to trade him. The fact that the Lakers are playing this well without LeBron only speaks to that. They could potentially be legitimately dangerous once he gets back.

[Nick Wright]

All right, I just suggested it needs to be considered that some of the ascension is the ball movement, the spacing. It's Lucas team. I don't want LeBron taking the ball.

[Jason McIntyre]

Luka was 34, 9 and 9 his last full year in Dallas. Luka has been this good. Everyone who's watched basketball has known it except for Nico Harrison, who now doesn't have a job like Austin Reeves. I do think Austin Reaves getting more opportunity. Now you're seeing it. But he also has become a better player because when, when before they got Luka, Austin Reaves was the team second option and LeBron was in the Luca role and he wasn't doing quite this. Austin Reaves has turned himself into an excellent offensive player and credit to him, and credit to JJ and credit to everyone involved in that. But I don't. I don't see a need to act like LeBron coming back is anything but a huge coup for the Lakers.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, I bet privately Austin Reaves, I just. Austin, just know your touches are going to get cut in half. I mean, I.

[Jason McIntyre]

You're out of your mind. You're. But the team will be better. Like, I don't even understand what I. The. I hate. What is the take? That they should just bench him? That they should ask him to be their ninth man?

[Nick Wright]

It's a take. My take.

[Jason McIntyre]

Exactly. It's a takeless take.

[Nick Wright]

Thank you.

[Jason McIntyre]

Is the take that they are keeping LeBron on the team just to appease Bronnie since he's now become an important defensive weapon off the bench.

[Nick Wright]

My take is the take. My take is this efficiency will regress with LeBron. They'll have a better athlete, but their offense won't look like this because LeBron will take. He'll take touches from DeAndre, from Austin, from Luka. And this is really a beautiful offense. And it'll be different with LeBron. It'll just be a little.

[Jason McIntyre]

It sounds like you're flirting with the take.

[Nick Wright]

I'm not flirting.

[Jason McIntyre]

Some that taking some touches away from Deandre Ayton and giving them to LeBron James will make the Los Angeles Lakers worse. It seems like that's what you're batting your eyelashes at, and I think that's insane.

[Nick Wright]

All right. Okay.

[Jason McIntyre]

That's all.

[Nick Wright]

I'm going to let you save your Nico Harrison stuff for your show because I know you have strong opinions.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, thanks. That's very nice of you. I appreciate that. I. I did it on. I did it earlier on a podcast on the Wonderful Volume Podcast Network and now I'll do it on. First things first. I was live on the air right when. Right when the news broke. So we had live late breaking. So I'll do it again on TV later. See you, Colin.

[Nick Wright]

All right, buddy. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not suggesting a trade. I'm just saying it's this, this offense is beautiful to watch right now. Beautiful. And it won't be as beautiful because LeBron needs the ball. He's not an off ball player. He's smart, he can adapt, but he is what he is. Your game is your game. That's all I'm saying. J, Mac and Nick don't believe in my take. They're just, they're a little saucy today. I get that.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I'm a little saucy every day.

[Nick Wright]

How about this? I did that hurt. Hierarchy is the Seahawks, Rams, potentially the game of the year in the league. I mean, can we get it on.

[Colin Cowherd]

The screen real quick?

[Nick Wright]

I think it's.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think it's not your best effort.

[Nick Wright]

You know, I think Seattle Rams is probably the best game of the year.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I don't think that's that hot of a take. You have it as 1, 2, Buffalo.

[Nick Wright]

Kansas City was until this week.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, are we going a little gaga for Seattle because they smashed Arizona and we're up 35? Nothing like.

[Nick Wright]

No, no, no.

[Jason McIntyre]

We're.

[Nick Wright]

We're, we're going gaga because they are like, if you look at all their numbers, they're like, number what? Darnold's the best quarterback in the league.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. A lot of it is against bad, bad teams. I think they're a top five team.

[Nick Wright]

But I always hear that. I. Well, I mean, who have you beaten? Well, folks, there are no unbeaten teams. I mean, the reality is you can say, well, who have they. Like Buffalo, who have they beaten? Well, they did beat Kansas City. So you can always use the argument, well, who have they beaten? This league, there's a lot of 500 teams in this league. There's a small bottom and a small top. But the league's all a game or two in front or back of 500. So you can say what you want about the Seahawks, but they are like a weird Turnover from being 8 and 1. They had the San Francisco 49ers beat. They'd be the quarterbacks.

[Colin Cowherd]

Here are the quarterbacks Seattle has beaten this season. They want beat Aaron Rodgers, I don't know. I don't think Tyler Schuck was starting for the Saints. That might have been Spencer Rattler. Then they beat Kyler Murray, who has basically been soft benched. They beat Trevor Lawrence. Everybody does. C.J. stroud, Marcus Mariota, Jacoby Brissette. They haven't beaten a top 15 quarterback yet. Now they have to face the MVP favorite. I don't know how people aren't betting Rams hand over fist here, Colin. This is men, women and children. Get the hell out of the way. I've got to put my kids college tuition on the Rams. I like Seattle a lot this year. They've been great. This is a bit of a wake up call.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're stepping into the, stepping into the top tier of teams. Like again, they're not going to be used to seeing an offense like this. They haven't played anybody good.

[Nick Wright]

Right. Well, that's certain.

[Colin Cowherd]

You like that take, huh? That really silenced you.

[Nick Wright]

No, it's, it's, it's worth consideration, but I don't think you get to 7 and 2 and kind of a weird turnover from 8 and 1. This team, Seattle is better on the road and they're tucked up in the northwest. They're good.

[Colin Cowherd]

They could be in the nfc.

[Nick Wright]

New England and Seattle are strangely both tucked up in the corner. Long flights, a lot of travel. They're better on the road. That speaks to a lot. They're both young star quarterbacks, good coaches. I think Seattle's pretty legit.

[Colin Cowherd]

They're very good.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah. All right. In Chicago, it's the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Nick Wright]

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[Nick Wright]

On the latest episode of Next Question.

[Colin Cowherd]

With me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34.

[Nick Wright]

Years in Congress and he can still.

[Colin Cowherd]

Pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.

[Nick Wright]

Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo. His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement.

[Colin Cowherd]

But is his message too far to the left?

[Nick Wright]

Well, he certainly doesn't think so. Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you?

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, okay, I get your point, Bernie.

[Nick Wright]

We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living and of course the government shutdown.

[Colin Cowherd]

Not to mention the current state of the Democratic party.

[Jason McIntyre]

To me, the failure of the Democratic.

[Nick Wright]

Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

[Colin Cowherd]

Open your free iHeartRadio app search next.

[Nick Wright]

Question with Katie Couric and listen now.

[Colin Cowherd]

On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Nick Wright]

Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physician.

[Colin Cowherd]

And I'm Hari Kundabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.

[Nick Wright]

Talking about health in a different way.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.

[Nick Wright]

What our health says about us and the way we're living.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like our episode where we look at.

[Nick Wright]

Diabetes in the United states. I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Colin Cowherd]

How preventable is type 2?

[Nick Wright]

Extremely. Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible.

[Nick Wright]

But like you don't even know. You don't know, you don't know. It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.

[Colin Cowherd]

Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nick Wright]

I'm Staff Sergeant Robertson with the Joint Task Force Southern Border. Happy Veterans Day and go Steelers. Thank you on Veterans Day to all the men and women who serve this great country. How about this one, J. Mac, if I, if I asked you today, next five years, Jordan Love or Caleb Williams, who would you take?

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, that's a tough one.

[Nick Wright]

Oh boy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Why you gotta stand back me and ask me after Jordan Love poops his pants on national television against the Eagles, Caleb would do the same. I would lean Jordan Love. But who's my offensive coordinator? Can I ask that?

[Nick Wright]

No. In the current situation with Ben Johnson and Matt LaFleur, they would have these coaches. They're not in any danger. I don't believe. Who would you take next five years?

[Colin Cowherd]

I'll go Jordan Love.

[Nick Wright]

I'm sorry, I would do Caleb.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think he has no, obviously you're reactionary.

[Nick Wright]

Here was Matt Hasselbeck yesterday on Caleb and the Ben Johnson relationship.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's a young player and so he's.

[Jason McIntyre]

Done a great job of improving on.

[Colin Cowherd]

The things that he needed to improve on. Last year I got on here every week and I said he's got bad body language. He Holds onto the ball too long, he takes too many sacks. You know, stuff like that. Ben Johnson gets hired. He basically said the exact same things. And Caleb to his credit has fixed them. He took no sacks again this past week. He's finding checkdowns. He's not check down Charlie. He's taking shots down the field. But if it's not there on rhythm, protect the team, protect the offensive line. He's getting the ball out.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, I think he's got a better arm than Jordan Love. I think he's a better athlete and he's very, very inexpensive for the next four years.

[Colin Cowherd]

Can I ask you, Colin, Trevor Lawrence, next five or Caleb Williams?

[Nick Wright]

Caleb Williams. I've seen Trevor Lawrence gets hurt. Turnover machine. Caleb does not turn the ball over.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean at this rate it sounds like you have Caleb Williams projected as like a top 12ish quarterback in the league.

[Nick Wright]

Yes, absolutely top 10. Let's give me about five more starts. All right?

[Colin Cowherd]

Fine, fine. Final one. Drake may next five years or Caleb.

[Nick Wright]

Drake May, Bo Nicks or Caleb Caleb.

[Colin Cowherd]

Boy you love you some Caleb Williams when it's rolling hot cowherd's excited. Another game winning drive for Caleb. He's our guy.

[Nick Wright]

Okay.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, we'll see J. Mac with the news.

[Nick Wright]

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the Herd line news. Let's start with the New York Giants. I should have asked you. Jackson dart or Caleb Williams? Stop it. All right, let's focus on. Listen, we love takes on this show. Colin, this was a great take from a guest on the show, Ian o'. Connor. He had an interesting piece about the Giants. So they fired Dable and Joe Shane. Is the GM allegedly responsible to find the next coach? Well, how about this from Ian o' Connor of the Athletic. The home run move would be if the Giants traded for Mike Tomlin. Now that is an interesting take. It's outside the box. Mike Tomlin would then leave that aging Pittsburgh defense, leave the Aaron Rodgers stuff and go to the New York Giants to coach up the makings of a good defense.

[Nick Wright]

On paper at least the Giants were great. They hired a successful coach in Jacksonville. Tom Coughlin. Yeah, so I don't buy this. Let's just do interim coaches, coordinators. That's not New York. You're getting a lot of this Pat Shermer and Joe Judge and Aaron Glenn and Adam Gay. So I thought was going to work because Peyton Manning loved him in the end. If you're going to hire anybody, go get lane Kiffin, Mike McCarthy or Ian O'. Connor. Suggestion. Mike Thomas. Oh, you got to have a presence in New York. You got to have a presence. Mike Kafka is a nice guy. I made two calls last night. The question is, is he going to be hard enough on players? Does he have kind of that alpha presence? A lot of pushback on that.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're into this Tomlin idea, huh?

[Nick Wright]

I think it's interesting. I thought, oh, I read it. I love Ian. I read it. And I thought, well, and go back and look at the history of New York. It's like Parcells, Tom Coughlin, guys who had been successful head coaches with big, strong, defiant, alpha personalities.

[Colin Cowherd]

Look at the screen. That is ghastly. McAdoo, Shermer, Judge and Dable. None of them 500. Going back quite a ways. The other side of the equation. Tomlin, do you think he would leave Pittsburgh? Is this considered an upgrade to go to the New York Giants?

[Nick Wright]

Well, they've got their. They've got their quarterback.

[Colin Cowherd]

You keep saying that, Colin, or are you certain?

[Nick Wright]

Here's my thing. Here's my thing. You're going to stay in the afc. Josh Allen, prime. Lamar prime. Herbert prime. Momes prime. Can go to the nfc. Jared Goff, prime. Stafford, Old Jaylen Herz, prime. Dak, slightly out of his prime. If you want to get to Super Bowls, good luck against Mahomes Allen. Lamar Burrow, Herbert. Do you want to get to Super Bowls, go to the nfc? Stafford's great, but old Darnold's really good. But I'll take facing him over Mahomes Allen or Lamar. I mean, I, to me, I got Jackson dart. I don't have to worry about that. I'm a defensive coach, so I got my quarterback. Build the defense up.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm going to go with. It's not going to happen. But I, I love a good, interesting outside the box take and that's good stuff for me and. All right, let's move on to the Denver Broncos. Colin, 8 and 2 record. Yeah, that's the best in the league. However, Bo Nix continues to struggle. You know that Thursday night game.

[Nick Wright]

Holy hell.

[Colin Cowherd]

He was bad against the Raiders. Well, Chase Daniel, former NFL quarterback, has chimed in, believes Knicks is in a hurry in the pocket, adding every single throw ball. It's just dying. He's not seeing the field well. This does not bode well going up against the Spagnolo defense. That con had a week off to prepare for this game. This is a huge game in the division. If the Broncos somehow win this, Colin, you could just lock up the division. They're. They're not getting caught up. They'd be up three games on the Chiefs.

[Nick Wright]

I think he, I think Bow looks nervous in the first half. He's pressing and then I think Sean Payton is overcompensating with the calls. You can't have Cortland, Sutton, Evan Ingram, Harby, J.K. dobbins, Franklin. You can't have this many good players in offense and you can't score for three quarters.

[Colin Cowherd]

You think it's that good of a supporting cast?

[Nick Wright]

Oh, I think Evan Ingram's super athletic. I think the receiving core has got a bunch of solid guys long can run. I like both their running backs O lines top three in the league. I mean, I'm sorry Daniel Jones is putting up number one offense in the league with a similar supporting cast with a good old line and very now I think Jonathan Taylor's better than anybody in the building in Denver. But the point is you got to be better than this. You have to be.

[Colin Cowherd]

So the, the few times I've watched Bo Nix closely when I've bet on the Broncos, Colin the defenses are saying we're going to play the safeties deep because we're not going to get beat on bombs. And I don't think you can matriculate the ball down the field on a nine play, 80 yard drive. You're going to screw up. And Bo Nix is just like taking the bait. He's like, no, I got something deep and he keeps chucking these bombs and they're just not even close to happening. And mims his burner out with a concussion. We don't know if he's going to be back. I just don't know if I trust Knicks to have one of these ball control drives down the field. Are you seeing him hitting the underneath stuff and reading the defenses? Because Sean Payton when he had breeze, that's the breeze. Bread and butter. 8, 10 yards over the middle. Lock it up, Knicks. I don't know that he can do that right now.

[Nick Wright]

It's going to be six to seven quarterbacks drafted in the first two rounds. Would not be shocked if Denver with their first or second pick, especially their second, you know, maybe they, they go get first pick. They go get, you know, the best player on the board. Now all of a sudden you're deep second round. So I think they have a second round pick. Make sure they do. But if they did, I could see them saying we'll take Nussmeier, lsu, he dropped the second round. I'm just telling you it may not be their first pick. But I can see them. Sean Payton going, my second pick. I'm going to look at the board very carefully. Hold on.

[Colin Cowherd]

First of all, forget Nussmeier. He got benched last weekend. That being said, hold on, hold on. You were crowning Bo Nicks, man. And now you're like, well, I'm not seeing it in year two.

[Nick Wright]

One thing you know about me is move off stuff. If it doesn't work, don't try to convince yourself your eyes are lying to you. I thought he was a great fit. 61 college starts, made the playoffs last year. But there the team is better and he is noticeably worse. He is pressing Peyton's compensating. There is no rhythm. I, I'm just, I'm, you know, now could it be sophomore blues? I'm not saying they trade him. I'm just saying be shocked. Second or third pick. Denver's like, we're going to get some competition in the building.

[Colin Cowherd]

Interesting, interesting. We might have to ask your guy, Cosell, what the hell going on with Bo Nix ahead of this matchup? Because I, I, I gotta be honest. I want to take the four and a half Colin with the Broncos at home.

[Nick Wright]

Yeah, I get it.

[Colin Cowherd]

I, I kind of want to take that. Okay, third story. Yes, yes, yes. It's LeBron James, the object of your scorn lately. He's got that sciatica issue. Anyway, he's set to practice with the Lakers G League affiliate. Lakers are fine without him. 8th game of the season last night and they got the dub Colin after the win. Here's Austin Reeves talking about the excitement of what LeBron will bring back to the lineup.

[Nick Wright]

I told him he should play a.

[Jason McIntyre]

Game, it would just be funny.

[Colin Cowherd]

But with South Bay, you but can't wait for him to come back.

[Jason McIntyre]

Obviously, it's LeBron James. He's, you know, in my opinion, the.

[Nick Wright]

Greatest player to ever touch a basketball. And he knows when he comes back, like, you know, this is how I can help the team. And obviously it's LeBron. You know, he's going to help the team and whatever he does because he's so good. But, you know, he's a super competitor. Can't wait to get him back. All right, your touches are going to get cut in half, but they are in 9. J Mac with a news.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.

[Nick Wright]

The Herd Liner three Don't go anywhere.

[Jason McIntyre]

It's the Herd.

[Nick Wright]

Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Breaking news. Not everything's terrible. We repeat, not everything is terrible. The ripple effect is proof that the Internet hasn't ruined humanity entirely. Hosted by Jenna Kim Jones, it's funny and uplifting Podcast spotlights the quiet, powerful ways people still choose good. Each episode features real stories of kindness, of barbers changing more than just their client's haircut, of the secret life, of leftover hotel soap, of vending machines that dispense just the help somebody needs, like magic. If you're tired of outrage, if your thumbs are sore from doom scrolling, or if you just need a reason to smile again, this podcast is your new favorite scroll break. It's heartfelt, hopeful, a gentle reminder. Goodness is still out there. Surprisingly contagious too. So put down your phone, pick up your faith in humanity, and join Jenna for the ripple effect. It's a reminder that you can start a ripple that changes everything. Listen to the ripple effect on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to assume that everybody messages their friends, and I'm also going to assume that that people run into issues when messaging, especially during group chats. It's really important any of my digital messaging is clear, no mistakes. It's also important when I send messages, they send quickly and I get responses quickly. WhatsApp can help with all of that. First, you can message privately with everybody in a group, even if you're using totally different phones. Sent a message too fast and instantly regretted it. No problem, just edit it. And when the chat goes a little too intense, you can switch to a group video call and actually talk it out. Photos and videos come through clear and messages get delivered without gaps or delays. Plus, WhatsApp has many great features like polls and pinned messages and even event invites with RSVP is cool, so planning stuff doesn't turn into a mess. It just makes a lot of sense. It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone on the latest episode of Next.

[Colin Cowherd]

Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent years 30, 34 years in Congress and he.

[Nick Wright]

Can still pack a rally with people.

[Colin Cowherd]

A quarter of his age.

[Nick Wright]

Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

[Colin Cowherd]

His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and.

[Nick Wright]

Other young progressives has become a movement.

[Colin Cowherd]

But is his message too far to the left?

[Nick Wright]

Well, he certainly doesn't think so. Does that Sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you?

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, okay, wait, wait. I get your point, Bernie.

[Nick Wright]

We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course the government shutdown.

[Colin Cowherd]

Not to mention the current state of the Democratic party.

[Jason McIntyre]

To me, the failure of the Democratic.

[Nick Wright]

Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.

[Colin Cowherd]

Open your free iHeartRadio app.

[Nick Wright]

Search next question with Katie Couric and listen.

[Colin Cowherd]

Now on the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Nick Wright]

Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka, a double board certified physician.

[Colin Cowherd]

And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.

[Nick Wright]

Talking about health in a different way.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.

[Nick Wright]

What our health says about us and the way we're living.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like our episode where we look at.

[Nick Wright]

Diabetes in the United states. I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Colin Cowherd]

How preventable is type 2?

[Nick Wright]

Extremely. Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like, your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible, but.

[Nick Wright]

Like, you don't even know. You don't know, you don't know. It's going to be a fun ride.

[Colin Cowherd]

So tune in, listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know the shade is always shadiest right here. Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryant and Robyn Dixon is here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama and reality news you can handle. And you know, we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday, I was going through a walk in my neighborhood. Out of the blue, I see this huge sign next to somebody's house. Okay, the sign says, my neighbor is a Karen.

[Nick Wright]

No way.

[Colin Cowherd]

I died laughing. I'm like, I have to know. You are lying.

[Nick Wright]

Humongous, y'. All.

[Colin Cowherd]

They had some time on their hands. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nick Wright]

Hey, this is Master Sergeant Jessica Zillman.

[Colin Cowherd]

With the 130th Field Artillery Brigade in Camp Arab John Coy. I want to give a shout out to all my brothers and sisters in Arms and wish you a happy veterans.

[Nick Wright]

Fox Sports salutes those who serve nobly. The effort, the dignity of our armed forces. Thank you. Hurt hierarchy on Tuesdays I bring it back. Some people say, where's Buffalo? Where's Green Bay? I can't put you in the top 10 if you don't have an identity through 60% of the season. What's Green Bay's identity? Offensively, they have none. And Buffalo can't stop the run. If the colts are the 10th best team in the league and I think they are 9th or 10th, how in the world could I have Buffalo in there? The Colts may have a ceiling to their identity, but they are a run first offense that is tremendous at ball control, tremendous at yards after the catch. I know what the Colts are, every team on that list. I know what their strengths are and their liabilities. Buffalo just has a great quarterback. Green Bay has a really good roster. I just don't feel I have any identity with the Buffalo Bills. And that's my knock. I, I mean they can't stop the run, which I think is the first way to get beat. I said if the Colts hosted the Bills in a playoff game, I take the Colts because I think they would run for 200 yards and I think Josh Allen would have an uneven game based on he'd trail, he'd have to throw, there'd be long stretches where he was watching the game as the Colts dominate time of possession. I think knowing what you are is so valuable not only in games but over a season because every team has injuries, every team has slumps. You know, every team has rough stretches. So when you're in those, okay, we got to go back to what we are the Colts this week. I mean, the Colts lose at Pittsburgh, get blown out, they come back against Atlanta. What did the Colts do? They asked themselves, what are we run first physical up front team and what did they do? Jonathan Taylor, almost 250 yards rushing. When you lose, you're in a slump, you have injuries. You got to know what to go back to Buffalo's like, well, Josh Allen's good. Not a top 10 team to me. Hour three. Greg Olson's coming up on the latest.

[Colin Cowherd]

Episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.

[Nick Wright]

All right, are you ready for another question?

[Colin Cowherd]

Go ahead, hit me, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the.

[Nick Wright]

Cost of living and of course the government shutdown. Listen to next question with me Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

Or wherever you get your podcasts on the podcast Health Stuff. We are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Nick Wright]

I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician. And I'm Hari Kundabolu, a comedian and.

[Colin Cowherd]

Someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Nick Wright]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Colin Cowherd]

How preventable is type 2?

[Nick Wright]

Extremely. Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Jenna World, Jenna Jamison, Vivid Video and the Valley is a new podcast that.

[Colin Cowherd]

About the history of the adult film industry.

[Nick Wright]

I'm Molly Lambert and I'll be your tour guide on a wild trip through adult films. We get paid more than the men. We call the shots. In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our life. Listen to Gentle world on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know the shade is always shadiest right here. Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryant and Robyn Dixon is here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama and reality news you can handle. And you know we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday, listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Jejun. And this week on our podcast Hungry for History, we talk oysters. Plus the Miami Chief stops by.

[Nick Wright]

If you are not an oyster lover.

[Colin Cowherd]

Don'T even talk to me.

[Nick Wright]

Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells to vote politicians into exile.

[Colin Cowherd]

So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster.

[Nick Wright]

No way. Bring back the ostrichon. Listen to Hungry for history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is an iHeart podcast.