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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - News coming from the NFL combine, who may move up in the draft, Albert Breer
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Here we go. It's hour two. You know I was going to introduce some new technology today at this time. I was very very excited for it. We tested it yesterday. We tested it before the show. And there's just a little bug we gotta get out of, and just. Just a tiny little bug that I gotta get out of this new futuristic technology which I'm going to present. So that's where we are. I was saying to start last hour, the Laker game last night was great. Lakers played Orlando Lakers. LeBron was great in the first quarter. Austin Reaves was really had a great night. Tough shot making. Luger didn't shoot particularly well. But, you know, the thing with Luka is, you know, he's got the. He's a little bit of a tech stock. He's. He's going to outperform the market. But there's a lot of volatility. This constant haranguing with the officials, it's exhausting. It just never ends. And it would be one thing if he was a consistently great defensive player, but he's not. He's a liability. So when he's barking at the officials, he's just adding, you know, to the element of his game. That is a huge liability, which is getting back on defense and squaring people up and making them uncomfortable. Zach Lowe, recently on the ringer, exhausted by Luca having another 13 plus technical foul season. Here's Zach.
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The whining is back at just peak slash nadir. Dallas levels. It's every play, just play, man. Not everything is a foul. And it's almost like, are you playing to draw a foul or are you playing basketball? Like, which one are you doing? Are you playing one on one and like with the refs, or are you playing a game? It's every single possession now. It's completely out of control. It's back to Dallas levels. It's just unwatchable.
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And I'm not saying, I mean, Magic Johnson complained to the refs a lot, so did Michael Jordan. But LeBron's always been about a four to five technical guy. I think LeBron had one technical year that he was like 10. That. That's big for LeBron. He's not a big complainer. I mean, he says it kind of walking away. He's not real confrontational as a player with teammates, with coaches, with officials. Lucas, 13 plus, it's growing and it's troubling because he spends a lot of time arguing and talking to the refs, and he's not a good defensive player. So it's like, bro, you got to get back. This has never been a faster game and you've never aged more quickly. So it's like, it's a problem. And nobody disputes The Lakers are going to be in business with him for the next seven, eight years, but I would say that he's had 99. Lucas had 99 techs in eight years. LeBron's had 76 in 23 years. And LeBron's a much better defender and gets back such a problem and it's irritating. And you know that that's where we are. Really, really entertaining game. But I do think this week the new Dodger owners took former Laker exec Lon Rosen from the Dodgers and inserted him into the Lakers. And I think what's going to happen, and I think it's fairly obvious they're going to move off LeBron. They should, because LeBron and Luka don't really work together. You think they would, but they both need the ball. Neither defends now at a high level. And LeBron, you know, it just, it does. It should work. It sounds like it would. If LeBron was in his prime, Luka and LeBron would still not be an ideal fit, but it would work more efficiently than it does now. LeBron's way past his prime. That's why so many of LeBron's best quarters are the first quarter. He's. I've. I mean, this year he's had six or seven first quarters where he's the best guy on the floor. And it takes Luka a while to heat up. And with that Albert Breer at the NFL combine, it officially starts tomorrow. But then meeting all week, the 18th, that Albert Breer is covered. So there's a lot, you know, it's changed. The Rams now, like won't go. The Jaguars said we're not going to go. And I guess the feeling is, I would take it is that because players now train for the combine, they come in in perfect shape. They've never been stronger or healthier. And the truth is, in the NFL season, by October, Nobody's running a 4:3. Everybody's kind of banged up and it's kind of survival and attrition. That's my takeaway. Does it feel like in your 18th combine, though, that now it's more of a deal making exercise than it is a. Hey, let's find some scoop on a player exercise.
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Yeah, I'd say things have definitely changed. Like, the first thing is, and I think this is like another effect of COVID that everything is done so remotely across the country now and so many different businesses that you're seeing that effect. There was a Rams impact here, and I think the Rams impact was like they felt like sometimes these 15 minute interviews can be deceiving and can change their, their, their, their view of a player in an undue way because that player has been trained to interview and to knock the 15 minute interview out of the park. And so why are you throwing seven or eight months of research out the window based on a 15 minute talk with somebody? So that's a factor too. And then, yeah, I think there is that element of this is kind of a convention for all NFL people. So all the agents are here, the cap guys are here, and there is a lot of that setting up for free agency. Now. I'd say it was a little more intense maybe 15 years ago because there was a point when free agency would start right after the combine. So you have deals getting done here. Now there's a little separation. But I do think like markets are set here, right? Trade markets are set. The financial market for free agency is set. A lot of agents and teams are going to leave here knowing, you know, what a guy like Kenneth Walker might make on the, on the free agent market. So that's another function of having people here as well. But you're certainly right there. There are fewer head coaches here, there are fewer assistant coaches here, which is kind of a shame because I just do feel like it takes the, you know, trade show, big trade show convention feel of the whole thing for the league out of it a little bit.
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If I had to guess of a team that would move up, it would be the Kansas City Chiefs to get Jeremiah Love, who I think they can't run the football. And Brett Veach has discussed that, that we have to be better at running the football. I don't care if you're Mahomes, I don't care if you're Herbert. Everybody's better with a good solid run game, period. Brady was as well. If. What do you hear about Kansas City Love? It's such a natural fit. It's a weak running back draft. He's a Jameer Gibbs type, home run hitting, running back, kind of a can't miss guy. You hearing anything on that?
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Well, what happens if the Chiefs go get Kenneth Walker? I mean, if something like that could happen, like, you know, I. There are some backs that are going to be out there. Bree hall looks like he's going to be tagged, but if, if Bree hall weren't tagged, that'd be an option too. And I think one thing Brett beach is really good at is looking at this stuff globally. So it's like. And I think this is the way that he's going to view it, I want to do more around Patrick Mahomes. Whether Kelsey's back or not this year, we need to put more premier talent around him. So, like, how do you look at it? Do you look at it like we're better off getting a running back in the top 10 and then a receiver in free agency based on what's a, what's. What's available, or are we better off doing it the other way around? And so you'd be talking about, like, let's just say Alec Pierce, which, again, like, it's a lot of this is going to ride on who gets tagged and who doesn't get tagged. But if Alec Pierce were to become available, then would it be Alec Pierce and Jeremiah Love versus, say, Kenneth Walker and Carnell Tate? You know, so I think you have to look at it that way. And a lot of the opportunity that's going to be available to them in free agency is going to be dictated again. Does Breeze hall get tagged? Does Kenneth Walker get tagged? Does Alec Pierce get tagged? Like, there are some good names out there right now. Are those names still going to be available a couple of weeks from now? I think that could dictate what, what Brett Veach decides to do inside the top 10. Because, you know, obviously there's an opportunity there for the Chiefs that they don't expect to have very often over the next decade where they are drafting that high.
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So, Mac Jones, we got into this discussion about 20 minutes ago, and I said, you got to be very careful about Mac Jones. Matt Schaub was a Pro Bowler. Kyle Shanahan leaves him. He goes 6 and 10. Matt Ryan's the MVP. His touchdowns are almost cut in half. When Shanahan leaves the following year, Garoppolo gets to a Super bowl flops when he's by himself in the Raiders. Mac Jones is an interesting player, but his, his passer rating, his career was mid-80s, which is kind of case Keenum. Last year it was 97, which is Tom Brady's career passer rating. So it's buyer beware with him. I do think if he went to like a Minnesota with Kevin o', Connell, I'm like, oh, that could work. But I think you have to be very careful because he's been pretty mid until that 8 start moment last year. You think he's going to get moved?
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I, I think teams will call. And here's the thing that's different about him. And, and, and people have to remember this. You're not just trading the player, you're trading the Contract. Right. So Kyler Murray and Tua Tug of Aloa are complicated by their contract situations. For Tua, it's $54 million lump sum this year. Obviously, if the Dolphins were going to trade them, they would have to pay down a lot of that to facilitate a trade. Otherwise he gets cut. Maybe he's available for the minimum. Kyler, same thing. It's even more complicated with kyler because he's got 36 guaranteed this year and 18 guaranteed next year. So how do you resolve that to make him attractive to another team? That would be a question you look at Mack, Mac's much more easily tradable. He's on the books for less than $5 million next year. Colin, it was brilliant of the Niners to get the second year on that contract. And they learned their lesson for not doing a two year deal a couple of years ago with Sam Darnold where they let him go to the Vikings for nothing. And so I think the Niners are in a great position here where it's either we have our Brock Purdy insurance at a very affordable rate or if you want to come to us and make us an offer, we're more than willing to talk. And so like the. The price tag goes up based on the fact that the financial number is down. Right. And I do think like a team like Minnesota where there's some scheme, you know, familiarity there for Back Jones going from Kyle Shanahan to Kevin o', Connell, I look at it like that's a high end bridge, you know, so you put him in a competition with JJ McCarthy for right now, if he plays well, maybe you do a bridge deal with him and he gets you to the next guy if McCarthy doesn't work out. So I think Minnesota is going to kick tires on a lot of reclamation projects. They, they're the one that I think most teams, most quarterbacks, given their druthers, would want to go to. It's the best situation for a quarterback and they have investigated a lot of those sorts of options after really hitting it big with Darnold a couple of years ago. And so I think Mac Jones is going to be on the radar the same way Kyler and Tua would be on their radar if certain things break a certain way with their contract situations.
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So there is. But John Spytak, the Las Vegas Raiders gm, said I'll take calls. Is there a scenario to you that Mendoza, Fernando Mendoza, they can move off him. It's not a great quarterback draft, but I can. I said this before, if your scouting department Thinks Ty Simpson is a late first, early second pick and you can get a two moving down another two because the Raiders already have, you know, multiple fours, multiple fives. I could see the Raiders, I mean, I, I can't see them doing it, but somebody comes up and says, I'll give you a two and a one and any chance Mendoza is not going to the Raiders,
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I would be stunned if he didn't go number one. Right. I, I think it's highly unlikely he goes anywhere but Vegas. I think it's an incredibly high likelihood that he winds up in Vegas now. Things can change, right. And I mean, I can give you like 10 or 11 names for next year's class where some teams are already looking at it and saying, okay, like what happens with. And you know, the names, right? Colin, like, I mean, it's, it's, it's arch Manning, it's C.J. carr, it's Julian Sayan, it's Trinidad Chambliss, it's Brendan Sorsby at Texas Tech, it's Nico I Am Aliaba at ucla. I mean, you can go on. And there's so many names for next year. So, like, if the Raiders are offered something that is just completely off the charts and you say, if you're John Spytek, if you're Tom Brady, if you're Clint Kubiak, this is something we can rebuild our entire roster with and there's a great quarterback class coming next year. And if we aren't very good this year because maybe we aren't in a position to pull ourselves off the mat that quickly.
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Yeah.
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Like if we're going to be in the top five next year anyway, does it make more sense for us to take a historic offer? If that's out there for you, then just sit there and take Mendoza. I could see that scenario playing out, but it would take something really off the charts, I think, to get them to move. Like, I think they're of a mind right now to sit there and take Mendoza. Not impossible. They trade though.
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Yeah. The other thing is, Albert, that the Raiders already have a lot of picks. And I've been told this by GMs, you don't want 14 picks. You don't want your roster to be that young. You know, a lot of times when you make a big trade or a move, you like a player, a veteran player presence to come with some of the picks. So the Raiders, Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Titans, Giants are your top five combine starts officially tomorrow. What if I said to you player buzz is because Fernando is not throwing the Ball Mendoza's not. So is there a player buzz for any particular player?
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Yeah, there are a few. So like there are a couple obvious ones. Arbel Reese from Ohio State is an athletic freak. If he works out, I'd expect it to show. It sounds like he's just going to do the position drills, but even that I think he'll show like the sort of athletic potential he has. Jeremiah Love, another one at Notre Dame if he winds up working out as somebody who's expected to be way off the charts. The one name I would give you that I think is a little more under the radar and I think everyone is going to want to pay attention to this one. Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end from Oregon.
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Yeah.
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He's not ideal size wise.
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Nope.
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He's built a little bit like Shannon sharp, right? About 6 foot 3, 240 pounds. My understanding is if he decides to run, he could run in the four threes and he could jump 40 inches. Those are numbers, Colin, that would be good for a 5 foot 8, 160 pound receiver. And he is 6 foot 3 and 240 pounds. So Sadiq is one to watch. There are some of the big men too, like Caleb Lomu. The other tackle at Utah is one. Kaden Proctor, who was once a super duper recruit for Alabama is another. So there's some of the big men too. But you know, I give you the obvious ones, the Reese, the loves. I give you some of the big men. But I think the guy who could really be the talk of, of Indy in a few days could be Kenyon Sadiq.
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Good stuff. Albert Brewer, as always at the combine. Appreciate it, bud.
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All right, thanks, Colin.
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Monday morning quarterback Albert Brear starts tomorrow, 18th combine. He's covered. Did you notice what he said when I asked him about the Chiefs and Jeremiah Love? He says, what about Kenneth Walker of the Seahawks? Well, that would solve their running back issue. I mean it's, it's Walker's not a receiver. But are they going to throw out of the backfield much? They're going to have Travis Kelsey. They've got a collection of wide receivers who are talented but can't get their personal acts together. Sometimes one more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos
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By the way, one of ESPN's better analysts, I don't talk about the other place, but he pointed out today his initials are bw. He said when Luka lebron and Austin Reeves play together, they're not a good team. When it's just Reaves and Luka, the Lakers are an excellent team. Oh, apparently BW is watching our show. I mean, the funny thing about the NBA, who was I telling this the other day to? Oh, Jason. Tim at the volume Fans wear their favorite stars in basketball. You don't wear cleats if you love Brady. You don't go around in shoulder pads. You don't wear spikes or batting gloves if you're a fan of Ohtani. But if you're a fan of an NBA player, you may buy his shoes or his apparel gun show at the beach with JMac. And so that makes it harder for basketball fans to relinquish an opinion to move off their fandom. You wear your favorite NBA player, you know, or it's similar international soccer. If you go over to Brazil, you're going to see all these like every guy, young man is wearing jerseys, they can move merchandise, clothes that aren't even athletic apparel. And so you have this just incredible tribal fandom of our basketball stars. I mean, there's still people arguing for Ja Morant and over the last three years, he's a worse player every year. But they wear Ja. They love Ja. It's a YouTube watching league and so it's very hard for people. BW is acknowledging and what we've been saying on this show is we're a year into LeBron, Luca and Reeves. We're a year into it. It doesn't work. And it's funny because when LeBron was in Miami with the Heels, that was a completely flawed roster. They had no sign they were a size, they were a poor rebounding team and they didn't have a great point Mario Chalmers, but Bosh was excellent. Also. You could move him away from the basket, pulling bigs along with him, opening up the lane for D. Wade and LeBron to score at the basket. And Wade and LeBron are high functioning, high IQ, high EQ, super athletic guys and they just made it work. Like LeBron and D. Wade really weren't. Neither one's a, a, a pure shooter, but they made it work because they're smart guys. They loved each other. They, they complimented each other and they were great athletes and they both were committed on the defensive end. They really d. Wade's entire career was on the floor battling every possession. But Luka needs the ball and there's a liability sometimes on the other end. And LeBron needs the ball and Austin needs the ball. But Austin, because he's never been a star in this league and he's undrafted, is much more willing to, to alter his game. Much more willing to do that. And so I think the numbers are pretty, I mean, why watch what you watch when Reeves and Luka are on the floor? Their net rating's better when it's all three, one of them standing around and none are great defenders. So here was LeBron on Luca passing up the game winning shot last night.
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I thought we had a good opportunity.
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Luke came off clean and I think he felt off balance, you know, but we executed. We didn't get the shot that, that, that we wanted. We did execute and she didn't gonna. It's not calling him out, but he's, he's stating pretty decisively the truth. Jmac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
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All right, let's go to Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. Colin, some interesting numbers here. They, the stat guys have looked and apparently lamar Russ for 600 fewer yards compared to the year prior.
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Yeah.
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Now he did miss four games, but it's clear even when he came back from injury, he was not 100% running less. Right. So new head coach Jesse Minter, here's what he said about how he wants LeBron to play in his new offense.
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I don't know that he needs to run more. You know, I actually think there's times where he can run less.
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If you build an offense that takes
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advantage of the, the under center, the downhill run game, now that opens up a lot of boots and play action plays.
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And then I, you know, the great
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quarterbacks have that ability on the key play. Yes. To execute the second play. So the first play is maybe not there. It's not the perfect play call. Now he can, he can take advantage of that with his athleticism, his skill set. That's what he's always been able to do.
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So first time head coach says Lamar Jackson, please run less.
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Interesting. Well, I think the bigger issue is their center, who's excellent, is getting a deal renegotiated and Lamar Jackson wants a new deal. So you're Going to have top of the market quarterback, top of the market center. So something's gonna have to give. Like I said when John Harbaugh got let go, sometimes, you know this in life, you don't get the job. You don't, you don't go where you want to go or you're relieved of your duties and you're like, man, that's painful. And then you'll wake up and you're like, john Harbaugh's like, well, Jackson Dart's free for the next three years and scatter. Boo is free and neighbors is free and Abdul Carter is free. The Giants are in a space that John Harbaugh was going to be financially trapped in Baltimore and he's not in New York. He's got all sorts of freedom. So it's one of those where you look and you feel bad for John Harbaugh. And I'm like, now the Giants thing, the Giants thing, when you don't have to pay your quarterback for three years, man, do you have a lot of options as a GM and a head coach. And John Harbaugh, like his brother Jim, is pretty damn good at personnel. He's one of those head coaches. He knows personnel.
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So it's interesting. I love that point you made about Harbaugh maybe getting lucky. So I, I. You remember the website that I started way back in the day? I had a job offer two years in from ESPN the Magazine before it was done and I nearly stopped doing the website to go work for a magazine.
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Yeah, a lot of people do stuff. And by the way, it was better that you didn't get it.
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Thousand percent. I think you're right. I think Harbaugh kind of, I don't know if dodged a bullet. Is that too strong in both of them?
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The Ravens are so well owned and so smart. I'm not going to insinuate he was trapped, but Jesse Minter is going to figure this out. You got to navigate some cap issues because Linder Bomb, the center is great.
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Can't lose it.
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Can't lose. He's great. Arguably the second best center to Creed Humphrey in the league. He's great.
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Yeah.
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And then lamar Jackson wins 76% of his games and they're both due the bag. Well, they've also got several other veteran players who are, you know, Kyle Hamilton now is moving into his prime. Well, they've got like six. They have six Pro Bowlers.
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They need a new cornerback. Marlon Humphrey's kind of done. I will say, Minter, they don't have a lot of talent on that defense, but he can work magic with not great talent as we saw with the Chargers. He, he's outstanding. I also, the wide receiver room, what's going on there? What are we doing with Derrick Henry who, who kind of struggled a lot at times last season? I think the Ravens have a lot of questions. I currently don't have them as a playoff.
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I'm the same way and I love the organization. I, I, I love it. I don't have them as a playoff team. I think they have too many things to navigate financially.
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All right, here's a team we both have as a playoff team. That's the Denver Broncos. Yeah, they should bounce back strong once again. Bo Nick still in the rookie deal. Who knows? Bo Nicks could have been in the super bowl if he didn't suffer that fluke injury on like the second to last play of the game. Anyways, the big news out of Denver, you alluded to this earlier, is Sean Payton is giving up play calling duties and handing the baton to a 31 year old named Davis Webb, who you may remember as a backup quarterback just a few years ago.
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Here's Peyton with regards to play calling.
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It's something that, you know, I think, I think he'll be really good at it.
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And I know that's like, man, are you gonna give up play calling?
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And I would only do that if I felt like it would help our team. I'll still be involved with what we
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do offensively, just like what we do defensively.
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But I do think he has a gift.
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I think he's real sharp. I'm glad he's on our staff.
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Yeah. And if you don't let him do that, he's gonna leave. So I think Sean Payton is, you got to do this sometimes, you know, it's like Sean McVay's Lost really good people. Sometimes you have to, you got to trust him. And I, I, my take is Sean Payton likes control. Even in the draft, he likes to say he would not do this if he didn't think Davis Webb was really special. He didn't have to do this. I mean, he's choosing to do this.
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Colin, he was tight with Lombardi. They were tight forever, man.
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Yeah. But a lot of times you can be tight with a coach, but you don't necessarily, the fit is good. A lot of times you work with people and are they as good as the guy across the street? Maybe not. But you like the personality, you like the fit. You trust them. And I think, I think Sean Payton, like really liked Lombardi and trusted him and they work well together and he was more than competent. But to relinquish the play calling duties, that's next level. And I also think Davis Webb has a reputation and the kind of aspirational growth like if you don't do this, he's going to move on and then Sean is stuck calling plays for the rest of his career.
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I just hope you don't Lombardi me at some point. Fortunately, I'm more. I'm more Ben Johnson than Lombardi. That's obvious. All right, let's go to the final story.
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Kyle.
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Kansas City Chiefs missed the playoffs for the first time in the Mahomes era and everybody's linking them to a running back to kind of bolster a meek offense. So we heard Jeremiah Love, we heard Travis etn. I think somebody was it Brear today Floating Kenneth Walker.
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Yeah.
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Well, here's GM Brett Veach talking about the run game and we've talked about
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it and coach has done an amazing job with his staff cranking on that scheme eval but I think being more
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explosive in the running game and really taking advantage of those interior three to
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kind of impose your will on an opposing team's defense.
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But I mean the running game takes a lot of pressure off everybody.
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So I think if we can be
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more explosive and more effective in the
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running game, I think obviously we take
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a lot of pressure off Pat, especially coming back early in the season with the injury.
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I think they're going to go. I think they're going to move up to get Love. You know, it's funny, I was looking at the mock drafts this morning. Everybody's got their. You, you've got your mock draft.
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I'm sure I haven't put one out yet. I'm waiting for the combine to end.
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Yeah, it's a Love looks like he's going to go. Chiefs have the ninth pick and Love looks like he's. I mean you have to look. So the Raiders aren't taking him. The jets aren't taking him. Arizona's not taking him. I doubt that Tennessee's taking him. There's a lot of good offensive tackles and edge rushers that are going to gobble up the first seven or eight or nine picks. Giants don't need a running back. They got scatter Boo. So Kansas City is. I could see them moving up a spot if they worried about the Saints, but Jeremiah Love changes their run game. Training up for Gibbs, huh?
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Trading up for a running back.
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Colin, we got one spot. You give up a fourth round Pick.
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Okay scenario. So I'm looking at the Chiefs offensive line. They have the young kid Simmons out of Ohio State who had the major injury in college, missed a bunch of games last year.
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But he is talented and good when he played.
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But he missed a bunch of games as a rookie. So the right tackle was the worst position on the offensive line. Juwan Taylor, terrible. So let's say something happens to the left tackle during the season. You're now up the San Diego. Not San Diego up the Chargers Creek. You've got to shuffle the deck on I think the Chiefs have to look offensive line at 9. You absolutely cannot go into next season with Simmons, Taylor and question mark that that's not enough or you're going to remember the super bowl against the Bucks. Colin where Brady had no tackle. Sorry, not Brady. Mahomes had no tackles and got annihilated. This is the big problem. Mahomes is coming off an injury. Is he going to be running as much? I think I know everybody loves love, loves, love. To the Chiefs I would look offensive tackle.
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Yeah.
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At nine. I think that's gotta be the move.
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Well in the history of the last 30 years of the draft, last 50 years you can get running back talent to your point everywhere the great offensive tackles are almost universally first round or early second. Like if you look at the 30th, 30 best left tackles in league history, it's like 28 our first round picks. Running backs come in all shapes and sizes now. It's not a good running back class. And Love is exceptional. He's like, like it's not a great quarterback class. I think Mendoza's elite. It's not a good running back class. I think Love is elite. This class has depth at tackle, edge rusher, a corner. But it does. It doesn't have it at running back. So to your point, that's Albert Breer said they may go after Kenneth Walker and not worry about the draft.
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And you see how teams when they lose a Trent Williams goes down for four games, 49ers are screwed. Eagles lose Lane Johnson for a few games. It's a major issue offensive line like let's not underestimate it. Plus the free agent market for running backs is not terrible. Like I. I'd say the free agent market is actually better for running backs. I know the Chiefs have no money because they're broke, but we'll see what happens with with Kelsey. And it sounds like they're moving off Mike Mike Dana. If they didn't already on the defensive line they got some More moves to make.
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Yeah, JMac with the news.
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Well, that's the news and thanks for
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stopping by the herd line. J. Mac will love our guest next hour. Jeff Goodman's coming in. It's a massive draft and the three top players are all elite talent. This, this draft was very good. We've talked about that. The nil, not that it saved college basketball, but the ratings are up significantly over the last three years. There was about a 20 year cycle in college basketball. Now the Florida Gators with Billy Donovan had back to back championships. They had four NBA guys, but there was a big gap in college basketball. It felt like 15 years where I mean you may have one NBA guy in a team, a second guys, a second rounder. College basketball wasn't very good at low scoring games. I mean Butler's making it, you know, to the final four. You're like not very good since the Yukon Huskies won that title a few years ago and had like Stefan Castle, seven guys that were going to make the NBA. College basketball the NIL. 20 guys are coming from overseas. The NIL's buying the best European kids and another 20 guys are staying another year in college. This past draft. Excellent upcoming draft sensational. Jeff Goodman, final hour to talk about that and how did Michigan get this good? Michigan looks like a complete, it's like their offensive line, it's just power and size. How did Michigan get this good? We'll talk about that with Jeff Goodman last hour. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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We got a huge top 10 showdown on Fox. College hoops as Yoxelle Lindeborg and number three Michigan look to keep their dominant season rolling against freshman phenom Keaton Wagler and number 10 Illinois. Friday night, 8 Eastern only on Fox.
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The we were talking about this earlier. The Athletic did a story. They went back to the last 22 or 23 years and they had a bunch of criteria on what a successful coach is based on regular season wins, playoff wins, super bowl appearances and of the 160 coaches hired over a 22, 23 year period, according to the Athletic, these are the ones that I kind of judged as gold level and silver level. And these are all great coaches. There were only of164coaches, you know, kind of gold jacket hires. Bellich, andy Reid, Sean McVeigh and Tom Coughlin. Belich Coughlin. Andy Reid had been head coaches before. McVeigh was this wonderkind out of Washington who just, they wouldn't let leave the building. And then there's the silver tier, which is Pete Carroll, Tony Duny, they had been head coaches before, but you know, John Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton and Tomlin had not. So it doesn't matter if it's. You don't necessarily have to be a head coach before to have worked. I do think it helps potentially, but that's only 10 of 160 coaches. Now, there were other coaches that succeeded. Mike Martz or John Fox had some success. I'm not, I'm not saying, you know, there weren't other semi successful coaches, but nobody's looking to hire a semi successful coach. You want to get one of these two level, the gold tier guys, the gold jacket guys or guys that you're going to, you know, silver tier guys. You know, I think it's fair to say that Mike McCarthy in Pittsburgh and Sean Payton in Denver, those are really good hires. Mike McCarthy's probably going to win some games in Pittsburgh. I think Sean Payton's the better coach and has succeeded very quickly in Denver. But yeah, I mean, it's. And, and for the record, you know, who I'm not including in this yet is Kyle Shanahan, who I think will end up in one of these two tiers, but he is, he has had several losing seasons and missed the playoffs several times. So he's not at that level. And again, there are coaches like Kyle Shanahan who I think are excellent. Speaking of Shanahan, there was a story today about teams going out and getting Mac Jones, the backup to Brock Purdy, who was sensational. I mean, he really was. He had a passer rating of, you know, high 90s, 70% completion rate. I think he surprised all. We all thought his career was dead. I mean, be honest, you did too. And basically Kyle Shanahan, he did it to Matt Ryan. Matt Shimmy Garoppolo takes him to a level that everybody's surprised. And I asked Albert Brer from the combine on the potential Mac Jones interest around the league. There's got to be some, right?
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Max much more easily tradable. He's on the books for less than $5 million next year. Colin, it was brilliant of the Niners to get the second year on that contract. And they learned their lesson for not doing a two year deal a couple years ago with Sam Darnold, where they let him go to the Vikings for nothing. And so I think the Niners are in a great position here where it's either we have our Brock Purdy insurance at a very affordable rate, or if you want to come to us and make us an offer, we're more than willing to talk.
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Yeah, so I just think. I think Minnesota is the fit, but they got a J.J. mcCarthy issue, so that's where we stand. The other thing to talk about at the combine is that it's sort of changed, and I think it's fascinating why it's changed. It's always been kind of an interesting watch to me. They call it the underwear Olympics. But why the Rams said, no, we're not going to go, and Jacksonville, similarly, this week said, you know, we're not going to send our GM or our coach is. The concern is, and I think it's valid, is that people go and train in Arizona and then they train with their agents for the interview. So everything's a little synthetic. Nobody's really. Once you go to camp and once you start the season, everybody's banged up. I mean, even the fast guys aren't as fast, and the. And the moderately fast guys are slower because they're all dinged up. And so a lot of the NFL season is pain tolerance, playing hurt, attrition, being a good teammate. It's not. It's not just, hey, you look good in the hotel lobby. And a little bit of the combine is prepared interviews. Everybody's slick and sleek and in great shape and healthy. And that's not really like, to me, what do I need to learn from Fernando Mendoza? Honestly, what in the world do I need to learn? I thought it was interesting that Albert Breer said, you know, listen, it's a great quarterback class next year. Are the Raiders necessarily going to take Fernando Mendoza? Albert Beer would only say, Fernando Mendoza will go number one. But ask yourself, what if you're the Raider? Now, I wouldn't move off it, but what if you're the Raiders GM and, you know, next year's class? Remember, there is a feeling, and it's an overwhelming feeling from the executives. I have texted that Mendoza is not Caleb Williams. He is not Drake May. He is not Andrew Locke. He's not Trevor Lawrence. Now, he could end up being very, very good. He's not that caliber. He's a little stiff. He's not a great athlete. Nobody knew who he was at Cal. He wasn't tearing the world up. We knew who Andrew Luck was when he was a freshman at Stanford. We knew who Trevor Lawrence was as a freshman at Clemson. We knew who Caleb Williams was as a freshman in Oklahoma. They, like, jumped off the tv. That's not Fernando Mendoza. I would acknowledge that he, that's not who. He's not Elway, he's not Trevor Lawrence, he's not Caleb, he's not Drake May as a talent or I don't think he's nearly as talented as Justin Herbert. I think he's more in the, you know, he's more in the Matt Ryan class. Who. I interviewed Matt Ryan when I used to work at the other place out of Boston College. He was a little thin, super smart, totally, you know, driven. You could tell he was going to succeed, but he didn't blow you away in terms of size and arm and mobility. I think that's what Fernando Mendoza is. But let's say you're the GM of the Raiders and somebody calls you and says, we'll give you two number ones, and you're. I mean, go look at the draft board and you only have to move down four spots or five spots, and you're like, all right, well, then I have two ones the next year. I have two ones the following year. I mean, let's say Arizona calls at number three and Arizona says, we'll give you the next two years. We'll give you number one pick and you're the Raiders. And like, I moved down to three. Okay. And next year there's like six quarterbacks. And I mean, we're in a division with a better LA Charger team, a better Denver team and a better Chiefs team. Even with Mendoza, if we could win nine wins, you'd be overwhelmingly happy. So my take is. Well, that, that, that, that is. I, I think you take that phone call, John Spytack, the gm, said we're taking calls. So, again, you wouldn't do that with Trevor Lawrence. You wouldn't do it with Peyton Manning, John Elway, Andrew Luck, Caleb Williams or Drake May. You wouldn't do it. But I, you, you know, listen, the GM's acknowledging. I'm taking calls on it. What I worry about with the Raiders is they already have so many picks this year. I don't have it off the top of my head. I think they have a first, second, a third, three fourths, two fives multiple. They have so many picks, I think they have 10 or 11 picks. The worry about getting more picks is, good God, we're going to be a young football team. You don't want to be that young in a division with great coaching and great rosters surrounding you. You don't want to have 13 picks or you don't. What you need is more good players. That's why I would re sign Max Crosby. Because you have so many picks, you're going to have so much cheap labor after this draft. If you hit on seven or 80 or 10 draft picks, you can easily afford Max Crosby because you're not paying anybody else. So. But I think taking a call is interesting.
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Okay, so what's your game plan at quarterback if you do trade out of number one?
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I would take. I would trade down again and get. Get ty Simpson at 12.
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Let me vomit in my mouth as we go to commercial break.
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Oh, my gosh. Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.