THE HERD - Hour 2 - NFL Midterm Grades, AJ Brown Staying Put, Joel Klatt

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd (Guest Host: Jason McIntyre)

Hour 2 – NFL Midterm Grades, A.J. Brown, Joel Klatt
Date: November 5, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume

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Overview

With Colin Cowherd out sick, Jason McIntyre hosts alongside Rachel Nichols for an energetic, debate-filled hour focusing on NFL trade deadline analysis, midseason NFL awards, college football insights with Joel Klatt, and spirited banter on coaching moves and playoff implications.
Special guest: Joel Klatt, Fox Sports’ lead college football analyst, brings a deep-dive on college football coaching searches, playoff rankings, and top NFL draft quarterbacks.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Introductions, NBA Chatter, and Setting the Table

[04:01 - 05:11]

• Jason McIntyre opens the show, filling in for Colin, and confirms Cowherd will return soon.
• Rachel Nichols recounts attending an OKC Thunder game, praising their resilience and highlighting their undefeated record despite key injuries.
• Lays groundwork for a loaded show: NFL trade deadline, AJ Brown discourse, midseason NFL analysis, and a Joel Klatt interview.

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2. Trade Deadline Recap & The A.J. Brown “Rumors”

[05:11 – 07:23]

• McIntyre discusses how the best NFL teams avoided big moves while struggling teams flailed for help.
  • Example: Eagles keeping A.J. Brown. Debunks off-base rumors and credits their front office for consistency.
  • Notable Quote:
    “The smart people—Howie Roseman, Buffalo Bills... Did the Lions do much? Chiefs? Nope. Listen closely to what Howie Roseman said...” (Jason McIntyre, 06:18)
  • Howie Roseman audio drop [06:51]:
    • "When you're trying to be a great team, it's hard to trade great players... AJ Brown's a great player. He wears the C for a reason. He's an important part of this team."
      (Howie Roseman, 06:54–07:18)
• McIntyre shares a staff stat: "You know who's made 10 trades in the last eight and a half months? The Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jets are making moves. Not a great sign. So smart teams do nothing right. Bad, desperate teams—the Colts, the Cowboys—they're grasping at straws.” (07:21)

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3. College Football Feature: Joel Klatt Joins the Desk

[07:53 – 30:41]

Klatt on Indiana’s Rise and Coaching

[08:22 – 09:30]

• Klatt gushes over Indiana’s strong season, coaching, and Heisman-level QB.
  • “This is the best coached team we have played... Incredibly well coached. A Heisman caliber quarterback. They run the football as well as anybody in the country.” (Joel Klatt, 08:32)
  • Quick preview of Penn State as a program in transition since firing James Franklin.

Discussion: NFL QB Draft Prospects

[09:41 – 13:05]

• McIntyre, as a Jets fan, asks for character assessment of Fernando Mendoza.

  • Klatt: “First time I sat with Mendoza, I was like, is this Kirk Cousins?... He’s process-oriented, smart, very accurate, a top-10 pick. If you want an offense majoring in short-passing and efficiency, Mendoza’s a great option.” (10:07–10:52)
  • Compares Ty Simpson (Alabama) and Mendoza as likely top-10s, based on fit and style.

• Klatt’s coaching philosophy: “You have to have the right fit, or else it doesn’t work. Lamar Jackson’s the great example. You cater to their skills and let them develop the rest. That’s what NFL teams should do with guys like Mendoza.” (11:41–11:45)

• Analogy: Mendoza’s quick, accurate release and fast processing makes him NFL-ready for modern schemes (Kyle Shanahan/Sean Payton offenses).

Klatt on College Coaching Carousel

[13:17 – 15:25]

• Penn State, LSU, Florida job markets heating up post-Franklin. Cites compressed recruiting/transfer windows and major candidates being locked up early. Schools forced to act quickly or miss out.
  • “Candidates you'd like—Kurt Signetti, Matt Rhule, Dan Lanning—are locked up. The pool is shrinking before a full search even happens... The calendar in college football is broken.” (Klatt, 13:26–14:20)
  • Lane Kiffin is targeted by Florida and will get offers matched by LSU.

James Franklin’s Next Steps

[15:25 – 15:52]

• “Franklin’s pretty close to Virginia Tech. He’ll coach again, and he’ll have success. He just came up short in the toughest games. He’s a heck of a football coach.” (Klatt, 15:29–15:52)

College Football Playoff Rankings Breakdown

[16:18 – 19:41]

• Klatt approves of committee’s first playoff release; sees a Big Ten bump and notes “committee values the Big Ten more than AP poll.”
• Highlights Texas at #11: “Committee’s saying if Texas goes 9-3, we’ll probably put them in.”
• McIntyre presses: “Not winning at Georgia. Come on.”
• Klatt counters with a colorful analogy: “For Georgia, watching them is like watching a drunk chase a balloon next to a cliff.” (18:37–19:08)

On Arch Manning’s Development

[19:41 – 22:10]

• McIntyre: “He was pretty rotten early.”
• Klatt bluntly: “Dreadful. Even those guys would probably appreciate honesty... But he’s getting better. He’ll need 20 more starts to be even remotely ready for the NFL.” (19:54–20:21)
• Advocates patience: “The only thing that matters is number of games started.… experience is what lets QBs succeed at the next level.”

Draft Pick Differences: Simpson vs. Mendoza

[22:10–22:23]

• Klatt chooses Mendoza over Ty Simpson for his added game experience.

USC Segment:

[22:36 – 24:49]

• Cowherd texts in: What about USC’s schedule complaints?

• Klatt dismisses coach complaints: “Do you like the money or not?... That revenue needs to come from somewhere. Guess where? Television. Deal with it.” (22:52–23:28)

• Positives for USC: “They’re turning the corner—winning small after losing small last year. They're set up as a one-loss Big Ten team with a chance to go 10-2.” (23:42–24:49)

USC Path to Playoffs

[24:49–25:57]

• Next games: “Iowa is their kryptonite. Iowa will run it 52 times and play great D. Oregon's the biggest threat, but Iowa is the sneaky tough game.” (25:02–25:34)

Lincoln Riley’s Job Security

[26:03–26:34]

• “He’s safe. I do think they finish at least nine and three, which also retains their class—number one recruiting class. The trajectory for USC is very positive.” (26:03-26:34)

Lane Kiffin Coaching Futures

[26:34 – 30:41]

• Heated debate: Is LSU or Ole Miss a better job for Lane?
  • Klatt: “LSU’s a top-three job in the sport. You can open the back door and get a top four recruiting class, more resources than anyone.” (28:09, 28:27)
  • McIntyre: “Landscape’s changed. With NIL, Ole Miss isn’t that far behind.”
• Kiffin in NFL? Klatt: “I see no shot... There’s a different allure in college football. You can become immortal; you are the quarterback of that program. That’s not attainable in the NFL.” (29:33–30:35)

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4. NFL Trade Deadline Fallout & News Desk

[37:37 – 43:39]

• Rachel Nichols shares key trade moves:
  • Seahawks acquire WR Rashid Shahid from the Saints: “Seattle’s a contender, more-so than Indy or Pittsburgh. Good move. Weapons on the outside, Darnold playing great.”
  • Broncos stand pat: “Bo Nix says they have all the pieces. They reached out to Miami for Jaylen Waddle, but the price was too high—a first-rounder.”
  • Titans refuse to deal with the Patriots due to bad blood between ownership and Mike Vrabel. “Isn’t it a disservice to your team to let grudges block deals?”
  • McIntyre: “You bash Belichick for not letting scouts in, you’ve got to bash the Titans for this pettiness.”

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5. NFL "Midterm Grades" – Rapid Fire Awards

[50:19 – 55:57]

Rachel fires ballot questions at McIntyre.
Key responses:

• Coach of the Year: Mike Vrabel, Patriots. “If you can do more with less, you’re the man for the job..." (50:27)
• MVP: Sam Darnold, Seahawks. “Best downfield passer in the NFL, totally rebooted Seattle’s offense...” (51:17)
• Comeback Player: Christian McCaffrey
• Offensive Rookie: Jackson Dart, Giants. “He’s been outstanding...the man. Favorite for rookie of the year.” (52:51)
• Defensive Rookie: Jihad Campbell, Eagles. “Fourth-best linebacker per Pro Football Focus, just outstanding.” (53:18)
• Best Offensive Player: JSN (Jaxon Smith-Njigba)
• Best Defensive Player: Micah Parsons, Packers
• Team with Most Wins: Buffalo Bills. “Body-bagged the Chiefs, schedule lines up well.”
• Best California Team: Rams. “Crushing teams, least penalized, Stafford is lights out.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On A.J. Brown Rumors:
  “The smart teams don't panic and don't react to outside noise. That's the lesson from Howie Roseman.” (McIntyre, 06:38)

• On QBs & NFL Fit:
  "You’ve got to have the right fit or it doesn't work. That's why Lamar Jackson is the example. They catered to his skillset and let him develop. That's what teams should do with Mendoza." (Klatt, 11:41)

• On College Coach Griping Over TV Schedules:
  “Do you like the money or not? … that revenue needs to come from somewhere. Deal with it.” (Klatt, 22:52–23:28)

• On Lane Kiffin & College Immortality vs NFL:
  "In college football, you win a couple national championships, and that program is always yours. That's not attainable in the NFL." (Klatt, 29:33–30:35)

• On Georgia Football:
  “Watching Georgia this year is like watching a drunk chase a balloon next to a cliff.” (Klatt, 18:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:01] – McIntyre & Nichols Open Show, NBA talk
• [05:11] – NFL Trade Deadline Analysis
• [06:51] – Howie Roseman on A.J. Brown Decision
• [07:53] – Joel Klatt Joins, College Coaching/Indiana
• [09:41] – Klatt on NFL QB Prospects: Mendoza, Simpson
• [13:17] – College Coaching Carousel & Hiring Calendar
• [15:25] – James Franklin & Virginia Tech
• [16:18] – College Football Playoff Rankings Breakdown
• [19:41] – Arch Manning’s Progress
• [22:36] – USC’s Playoff Path & Schedule Complaints
• [26:34] – Lane Kiffin: LSU, Ole Miss, NFL Debate
• [37:42] – HerdLine News (Trade Deadline Fallout)
• [50:19] – NFL Midterm Awards
• [52:51] – Rookie of the Year Discussion

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Recap & Tone

Jason McIntyre runs the show with his usual blend of energy, debate, and sharp hot takes—collaborating well with Rachel Nichols and engaging in informative, at times fiery, exchanges with Joel Klatt. The hour covers a robust mix of NFL analysis (trade deadline, award races), deep college football insight, and a dash of NBA flavor.

The tone is lively, opinionated, and fun—perfectly in line with The Herd’s usual vibe even with Cowherd out.

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[A]

Here we go, our number two here on the Herd. Gorgeous Wednesday. Tons of news. College football, NFL. Obviously a little NBA action. It's me, Jason McIntyre in for an under the weather cowherd. He did text me within the last hour so there is proof of life that he's alive. He said he's expected back manana. If not, you know I'm just gonna have to carry the show with the help of the great Rachel Nichols. And it's official, Rachel and I will be at the Lakers game together. Not together tonight. We'll be there. Rachel obviously has better connections than I do.

[C]

Let me get better seats. I'm going to lie.

[A]

Yeah, you better seat. You were at the paperclips against Shay Gilgis Alexander at OKC last night.

[B]

How did.

[A]

How was that?

[C]

Man, the Oklahoma City Thunder have not missed a step despite the fact they are missing their second best player. They're undefeated and they don't even have Jada right now. So it looks like, you know, a lot of people after it took seven games to win the finals were like.

[A]

Eh, I don't know.

[C]

It's wide open again next year. I don't know man. They're young players, they have experience now and they. Shay said at the beginning of the season we're only going to be better this season. And he's right.

[A]

So how is the free throw merchant? What did he do last night. Just kidding. OKC fans are, man, they don't love me. But yes, you guys are dominant. Undefeated. I will apologize, you know, when it's due time. All right, coming up in five minutes. I guess Joel Clyde will be here. Very excited. Fun fact. I've never sat and just had a one on one with clack for a while because, you know, it's what cowherd does and I'm very excited to talk to him. A lot of tough, hard hitting questions about my Jets. But real quick, briefly, I wanted to talk about what did not happen at the trade deadline yesterday. And I think Colin might have started this like I don't know, six weeks ago. Should the Eagles trade A.J. brown? And you know, I was here snickering like, bro, what are you talking about? And then things were kind of wobbly and I started to think, well, maybe there's a world where they trade him. Anyways, the Eagles do not trade him, which was smart. Obviously. He's a stud. He's a top 10 receiver in the league. You need him to beat man coverage. We know Jalen Hurts has kind of struggled against the zone with only one option. I thought it was a good move. But if you look around the league, interestingly, the best teams, nothing. You guys see what the Buffalo Bills did yesterday? Nothing. They didn't listen to the outside noise. Unlike Jerry Jones who basically is listening to TikTok. I mean he's like, like the elected officials in this country. What's going on online, I've got to react to it like that's what Jerry Jones is doing. The smart people. Howie Roseman, Buffalo Bills. By the way, did the Lions do much yesterday? They're one of the favorites. Did the Green Bay packers after losing Chucker Crafter, Tucker Craft, the tight end. How about the Kansas City Chiefs? Did they do anything? Nope. Listen closely to what Howie Roseman said about the Eagles standing pat.

[B]

When you're trying to be a great team, it's hard to trade great players.

[A]

And A.J.

[B]

Brown'S a great player.

[A]

He wears the seat for a reason. He's an important part of this team, of this organization. He cares about winning, he cares about his teammates. And you know, I think that when.

[B]

You'Re a team like ours that is.

[A]

Looking forward to an opportunity to compete.

[B]

For a championship and you just don't.

[A]

Get rid of the guys like that and so feel very lucky to have.

[B]

Him on our team and excited about the second half of the season with him.

[A]

Very well said. I love it. Howie Roseman just keeps winning and I'll just wrap up with Fun Stat from the staff this morning. You know who's made 10 trades in the last eight and a half months? The Jacksonville Jaguars. The jets are making moves. Not a great sign. So smart teams do nothing right. And the bad, desperate teams, the Colts, the Cowboys, they're reaching and grasping at straws. All right, let's bring on Joel Klatt, the voice of college football, the former legendary quarterback at Colorado.

[B]

Oh, legendary, Wow.

[A]

I want to go over his.

[B]

Oh, man, they put a little tower up here. Last time I was up here, I was so low. Hi, Rachel.

[C]

You know, some of us are only 5:3 and need a little.

[B]

You need a little boost. That's exactly right. What's going on, man? How are you?

[A]

So good to have you here. Former college baseball star.

[B]

Can we never play in college? I played minor league, minor league baseball right after high school. Yeah. Didn't go that well.

[A]

Yeah, well, hey, you know, it's tough out there.

[B]

It is, it is.

[A]

Joel's calling Indiana. Penn State. I tried to talk Chris Felica.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Into maybe taking the points with the Nittany Lions. Any chance of that?

[B]

I mean, I'm not going to get into the points. On the game that I'm calling. I will say, like, Indiana is as good of a team as there is in the country. They're. They're complete. What I, what I love is talking with opposing coaches and you get an idea of the weaknesses for the other teams, even more so than just watching the film yourself. And what's f. What's fascinating to me over the last couple of years is that when I talk with anybody that has either played Indiana or is about to play Indiana, they all say the same thing, which is, this is the best coach team that we have played. And it's one of the reasons why I think Indiana was so aggressive, locking up Kurt Signetti as the job opening started to fly around the country. They are incredibly well coached. They've got a Heisman caliber quarterback. They run the football as well as anybody in the country. In fact, I think they're second in the Power 4. Running the ball five times. They've run it for over 300 yards and their defense is top 10. So there's not a lot of holes with this Indiana team. I'm excited to cover them again as Penn State just tries to kind of keep themselves afloat. First game there since they fired James Franklin. So I'll be interesting Environment should be half full.

[A]

Stadium maybe.

[B]

I don't know. Let's hope it's a little more than that. Come on, Penn State faithful.

[A]

So, so I want to ask, you know, I love talking to the announcers here at Fox because you guys meet with the coaches and players.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so you've met with Mendoza, I assume, multiple times. So as a Jets fan, we now have a war chest of draft picks. And I was like lukewarm on Mendoza. And then I read this Wall Street Journal article about his LinkedIn page. He's graduating from the Haas School of Business at Cal. I mean, this guy's had internships at big time, like real jobs. He's is super intelligent and I'm talking myself into Mendoza. I want to know what's he like when you meet him. We know what he's like on the field.

[B]

I mean this in the most positive sense. Okay. But the first time I sat down with him, I was like, is this, like, is this Kirk Cousins? Just come back. He is very similar to Kirk Cousins. Very similar in the way they approach. Very smart, I will say, like he can, he can be a little robotic. And then as the conversation went, went on, it got more fluid and better and better. But he's process oriented. He is an incredible player. He's very accurate with the football. He's smart and he's developed into what I think is going to be easily a top 10 pick. To me, it comes down to style. So if you're an organization or a team in the National Football League that wants to major in short passing, efficiency, RPO style, run pass, option style, offense, and there are those out there, think of Mike McDaniels, Mike McDaniels at the Dolphins. There's others. You know, Mendoza is going to be a great option for you. Whereas like Ty Simpson from Alabama is a little bit more push the ball down the field a little bit better in the intermediate zones. Those two are going to be widely considered maybe one and two. I think Lenora Sellers will get some, some action as one of the better quarterbacks as well, just because of skill set and, and, and traits. But, but to me, if I was up there and selecting in the top five, the question would be Ty Simpson or Fernando Mendoza. I think that they're that good.

[A]

So let me ask you, as a former quarterback, are you of the belief that, you know, let's just use the Jets? Hey, we see what Mendoza does really well. We want to draft him and then cater to his skill set.

[B]

100%.

[A]

Okay, so I would agree with that, 100%.

[B]

You've got to have the right fit or else it doesn't work.

[A]

Yeah. Lamar Jackson is obviously the great example. Hey, this guy can run. He can't do much else. We're just going to cater to his skills. And then he developed the other ones, became a great passer. So when you see Mendoza, 6, 5, big strapping guy. But you said the word process. I hear process. I think Brock Purdy, now, Purdy's obviously much smaller.

[B]

He would do really well in one of those offenses.

[A]

Oh, Kyle Shanahan offense.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, everyone does well in a Kyle Shanahan offenses, but because. Because he's so smart and accurate with the football and on time with the football. Anybody like a Sean Payton, he. I mean, obviously Sean's not drafting the quarterback, but I'm just trying to give you an example of these styles of offenses that. That he would flourish in. He would. He would do very well in those. When you watch him play, one of the things that he does that's very subtle is that he's what I would call like on platform very quickly, Very quickly. So when he gets that ball and he's. He takes out one punch step, and then he's ready and then he's got a very quick release and he's accurate ball and he knows what he's looking at. So. So from my standpoint, that's what's going to pay dividends for him, in particular early in his career as an NFL quarterback is the fact that he can be on time and on target. It doesn't take him a long time to throw. It doesn't take him a long time to process information. Everything happens fast. And when you're moving from the college level to the NFL level, that. I mean, that's. That's the single trait that can help you succeed the earliest.

[A]

I did hear his brother's at Indiana. I don't.

[B]

Yeah, that's right.

[A]

What year is he?

[B]

He's a younger guy. So he gets in like Fernando, goes out there, he starts blowing people out, and then his gets in the ball game and he's over running around on the sidelines. It's great.

[A]

It's not a lock that Mendoza comes out before we get to Simpson, Indiana, Penn State. What are you hearing on the Penn State job? Because I'm not hearing good things at this point.

[B]

Well, it's not that you're not hearing good things, it's just that they're. It's a tough process right now for everybody, whether it's Florida or lsu. And the reason is, is because the candidates that you would like have either got Locked up already like Kurt Signetti or Matt Rule at Nebraska got an extension. Dan Lanning has come out and said unequivocally, I'm not leaving. Well, these are some of the main targets. Maybe, maybe not Matt Rule, but at least there was a tie to Penn State. So it leaves the. The pool of candidates is starting to minimize even before you get into a real like full search towards the end of the year. And yet the timing of the calendar in college football is so broken that you've got to be ready to go in December. You've got to sign a high school class in, in the first week of December and then be ready for the transfer portal, which is now in the month of January. So if you're not ready to go by then, you know, like, what happens? Where do you go if you're hiring a coach? So for example, let's just say one of these jobs, whether it's Penn State or lsu and they decide, you know what, Lane Kiffin is our guy. Lane has not gotten an extension or at least hasn't signed one at Ole Miss yet. He has not come out and said, I'm not leaving Ole Miss. So now Florida is going to target him. In fact, I know that they've already targeted him. And given Florida is talking about an offer, if it hasn't already hit his desk, it is to make him the second highest paid coach in college football. That's going to be matched by lsu. I'm almost certain about that. If Penn State wanted to get in there. Well, here's the problem. If Ole Miss goes to the playoff and they play into the second and third round, Lane still coaching at Ole Miss during the transfer portal window being open. So he doesn't even have an ability to build a roster. So that's what's broken about college football from a calendar perspective. That's why I would look at guys like and Alex Golish at South Florida, who's done a heck of a job at South Florida. That could be a name that's popped up. I think Brian Hartline is a name, the assistant coach at Ohio State that's going to pop up. These guys that could potentially move before the transfer portal window and not be tied to a team that could be still playing in the middle of January.

[A]

And anything on James Franklin before we get to the college football rankings?

[B]

I've heard that he's pretty close to Virginia Tech. He will definitely coach again and he will have success. The guy was not a bad football coach. I mean, he came up short in the most Difficult games out there, you know, namely like Michigan when they're in the top five, or Ohio State when they're in the top five. So he's going to go someplace and he's going to make them a better program. James is a heck of a football coach and I hope he gets back in and I know that he will.

[A]

I spent two years at Virginia Tech. The Jim Druckenmiller era.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I had a couple of classes with those guys. I think Franklin, I can just see.

[B]

J. Mack just jumping up and down to Inner Sandman at Lane Stadium.

[A]

Some goofball football players in the back of the class and I would kind of matriculate toward them because I was at the school paper. Nobody cares about that. Anyways, let's get to the College Football Playoff rankings. Joel, I didn't see anything to get, you know, very upset about.

[B]

Yeah, no, I, I thought it was a pretty good ranking, to be honest with you, as, as solid of a first committee ranking as, as I've seen in the playoff era. Going back to the 14 playoff. Here's one of the things that I think helps the committee out is the expanded 12 team playoff because we have an understanding now just intuitively that, okay, this is going to play out. BYU and Texas Tech are going to play this weekend. Iowa and Oregon are going to play this weekend. You know, A and M has to travel and they're going to be on the road at Missouri. A couple of things that stood out to me though, just takeaways, major takeaways from, from the top 25. Number one is, is that this committee values the Big Ten much more so than the AP does. Like for instance, the, the team with the biggest discrepancy between the two polls is actually Iowa. Iowa is, is ranked, if you will, just outside of the top 25 by the AP at 26. Well, there are plus six at 20 for the committee and I think rightly so. The AP has devalued the middle of the Big Ten all year long. I'm not sure why. But you've also have Michigan sitting there, USC sitting there, Washington sitting there. So now there's a path for a Big Ten team to be the fourth team. Like let's, let's just say one of those teams can win out and be 10 and 2. Then there's definitely a path. Another thing that stood out to me is Texas at 11. I thought that the committee was telling us if Texas goes 9 and 3, we're probably going to put them in. They're Sitting on two losses now. But think about it. Now think about it. They already have them above ou. Obviously. They beat ou. They have them above Utah. Utah has nothing on their schedule that would, that, that would propel them above Texas. And there is no way the ACC is going to get valued over Texas because we already see that, you know, the highest ACC team is ranked 14 with Virginia. So here's Texas and the stretch. They've got to travel to Athens and play Georgia and then they're going to host Texas A and M, the number three team in the country and the number five team in the country. Well, if you value wins, one of those wins is going to keep them or even elevate them all the way inside of the top 10. Which means, I think that they could lose one of those games and still be included in the.

[A]

Can they get him with losing both.

[B]

No, no. 8 and 4. 8 and 4. They're out. Because, oh, you could win out, then you could have one of those 10 and two Big 10 teams. There's. There's a host of other things.

[A]

They're not winning at Georgia. Come on.

[B]

They might. No, Georgia is. Do you remember Rick Riley? Even though I'm not a huge fan of Rick, which is fine. I can't believe I just said that. Yeah. Okay. He wrote an article way back in the day about Tiger woods and Phil Mickelson and how like Tiger was just, you know, watching him play golf was just like rigid and focused. And then watching Phil Mickelson play golf was like watching a drunk chase a balloon next to. Next to a cliff. He had this line. I don't know why. It's always stuck with. It's just like that was his line. His line. And you know, like, for Georgia, it kind of reminds me of that because it's like, why are you behind in all of these games? You know, every SEC game, it's like they're. They're down. They have to create some, some great play. They're at the whim of a review. Like they were on that third down catch, no catch against Florida. You know, like Florida's sitting there. If they get the fourth and one, you know, they could salt the game away. And, and so I don't think that it's just a, A sure fire. Oh, absolutely. Georgia's going to beat that Texas team because Texas is actually playing their best football right now.

[A]

Well, it's interesting.

[B]

They were handling Vanderbilt, handling Vanderbilt and.

[A]

Then nearly choked it away. You're right. They were spotty early during the season. So let me Pivot to ask about Arch. I mean, he was pretty rotten early in the season.

[B]

Dreadful.

[A]

Okay, Dreadful. I like your word better than mine.

[B]

We, we tiptoe around because of his last name. But even, even those guys would probably appreciate honesty. Arch was dreadful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Early in the year and he's gotten better in the last couple of weeks.

[A]

He, he was good, but can he go to Georgia and perform like he did against Vandy? And then that A and M game, that's not a layup even though they're at home. Where are you on Arch? Have you seen a major progression?

[B]

Arch? Arch is a decent to average college football quarterback early in his career and he's going to need at least 20 more starts to be even remotely ready for the national football.

[A]

The guy in year three, we can still say it's early in his career.

[B]

Well, as far as number of starts, he's early in his career, you know, again, this position, the position of quarterback, there is no way you can replicate it. So I don't care if it's your third year in college or if it's your first year in college. The only thing that matters is number of games started. Okay? Now can you be a little more comfortable? Sure, I guess. But you can't replicate the position anywhere other than on the field, live in games. And so as he's starting to develop, as he's starting to start more games, you're starting to see him get a little bit better. Now we all thought he was going to come out and be gangbusters and be Trevor Lawrence right away or Bear Bochmire, the quarterback at BYU is eight. No. Right now as a true freshman. And it didn't happen. It didn't happen. But here's what, here's what this position is all about is reps and experience. If you take a look at, since the turn of the century, the quarterbacks that have actually won Super Bowls. So you take a look at the list of guys that have actually won Super Bowls and I think we've talked about this on the show and I'm sure you've been riveted over in the corner as I'm saying this to Colin, but the average college career of all the guys that have won super bowls is around 30 to 34 starts. In college football, you have to have a deep level of experience before you get to the NFL. So here's my. Everyone fans out there, just let Arch play a couple of years, okay? Again, he is 20 starts away from being remotely close to an NFL level.

[A]

Okay? So to that Point a quick aside to my guy, Ty Simpson at Alabama. I love what I've seen from him. You just said him and Mendoza. Top 10 picks. He's got like eight start.

[B]

I would choose Mendoza because of that very specific thing.

[A]

I just wanted to make sure that that's.

[B]

Now he's, he's likely going to come out. He's going to be rated up there. But again, the experience factor would tend to, if you're just looking at history, favor a guy like Mendoza because he started more games.

[A]

Simpson sat behind a bunch of guys who were like, Anyways, Cowherd's now texting me. He wants a question about usc. Your thoughts?

[B]

Of course he does. I was going to say we were about to get through one of these without usc.

[A]

Well, your guy, Lincoln Riley, after the win over Nebraska was complaining. Hey, we ended our game after midnight. We have to fly back in the middle of the night.

[B]

I can't stand when coaches complain about the schedule. Listen, listen, listen, coaches, all of you and all of you that do this, do you like the money or not? Because that's what it is. You know, you all complain about not having enough money to pay your players now and the revenue share and all that. Like, we're paying $167 million in buyout money in college football. That revenue needs to come somewhere. Guess where it comes from? Television, you know, like, deal with it. I don't know what to tell you. Like, I really.

[A]

He might have been joking. He might have been joking.

[B]

I'm sure that he was. And Lincoln generally, I would say, is better about that than others. So if he was joking, you know, that's good. He finished after midnight. Plenty of times in the Pac 12 when they were in Pac 12 after dark.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Listen, is travel and game kick times more difficult in college than it is in the NFL? Yeah, you know, but we also don't split games up. So you're not on regional television in college football. You're on national television in college football. I thought that that win for USC was really important for them winning on the road. There's this old adage I've always thought you, you lose big before you lose small. You lose small before you win small, and you win small before you win big. And they're, they're turning that corner from losing small those one possession games a year ago to now winning some of those games. And the way that they did it, leaning into their run game, not having a great performance from their quarterback, Jaden Mava, that's important for them, you know, if they just go out there, Myava throws for 400 and they win by a score. It's like, okay, did we really learn anything or grow as usc? No. But if you go out there and you win with defense after the injury, obviously to Dylan Raiola, which is, which is a bummer for Nebraska, but they leaned into the run game. They got it done. My ABBA was not good in that game and they still win. Now they're set up as a one loss Big Ten team in conference obviously after losing to Notre Dame and Illinois. But one loss in conference and they've got a chance to be 10 and 2.

[A]

That's my next question. So I'm looking at the schedule. Northwestern, that's a win this week versus Iowa. That'll be tough, but I think they very tough. And then the Oregon game. Is the Oregon game essentially the season for Lincoln Riley. You're going to the playoffs.

[B]

I mean, yes, the way that the schedule lines up, but they still have to handle their business. And a team like Iowa is still their kryptonite that I would does not care at all. They will run it 52 times. They can't throw the football and they're going to play great defense. So Mayava likely struggles again against Iowa even if that game is at home and they're going to have to win in a gritty, low scoring fashion. So of all the games, I think Oregon is the biggest threat because it's Oregon and it's on the road. But the sneaky game, the sneaky tough one for USC is going to be that Iowa game.

[A]

Yeah. Remember that Illinois game was kind of fluky at the. They could have won that easily. And then Notre Dame I believe was a one score game with like seven minutes left.

[B]

They definitely had their chances. They, they blew it on special teams. They, they failed in short yardage, didn't lean into the run game and they couldn't stop the run. And Iowa again will run it 52 times. They will not care and they will shrink the game down. Myava might only get the ball seven times in that game.

[A]

Yeah, not ideal. I know the buyouts are everywhere. Is Lincoln Riley 100% safe?

[B]

Yeah, he's safe.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's what I. He's safe. I do think that this team, I think, I think they finish at least nine and three. That not only retains Riley obviously, but it also retains their class. This is the number one recruiting class in all of college football. The trajectory for USC is actually very positive. Everyone gets so upset at Colin and I because they're like, stop talking about usc. And I get it, because Colin always, always brings it up, but that program is on the correct trajectory. And like I said, go through that process, lose big, lose small, win small, win big. And they're on that. That train.

[A]

Last one. We got to talk about Lane Kiffin.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Are you close to him? Because he loves to talk to the media. He's getting combative. I know you said earlier, hasn't ruled out anything. He's not going to the NFL, Right? This Miami Dolphins nonsense.

[B]

I should not see that. No, I. I see Lane at lsu.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I do. That's a top three job in the sport.

[A]

Gosh, no.

[B]

You disagree?

[A]

Yeah. The last time you said that here, I was biting my tongue, like, why?

[B]

What's better?

[A]

It's just not anymore. Historically, yes. And I know in the past, everybody's won, but don't you feel the playing field has leveled to the point that LSU's not that much better of a.

[B]

Job than what, Ole Miss?

[A]

I mean, then Ole Miss. Lane Kiffin's calling the shots right now. No, for Lane.

[B]

I almost fell off this. Hold on. You think LSU is a better job than. Or, excuse me, Ole Miss right now.

[A]

So the money's not that different, Joel. Okay? He runs the show. He's got total. He could say whatever he wants at lsu. Who's calling the shots there, by the way?

[B]

They call and just text you.

[A]

No, I haven't looked at my phone. He's dealing with a board of governors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Colin and I disagree greatly on this. I just think the landscape has changed with nil Collectives.

[B]

I thought this was going to be just a really good experience, and then you. And then you hit me with that right at the end.

[A]

So just to be clear, it's for Lane Kiffin, not anyone else. Like, Lane Kiffin is running things. He doesn't answer to nobody at Ole Miss.

[B]

I disagree.

[A]

Okay. So, you know, Elaine Kiffin says, Joel, why do you. I want to take the LSU job. Sell me on it. If confirm.

[B]

I don't have to sell you on it. One, you can open up the back door, and you can get a top four recruiting class. Just. Just regionally, they have more resources than anyone. Maybe other than Oregon. It's just quieter than Oregon's. They've got. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Multiple. Multiple billion.

[A]

Sure. Hasn't shown up in those playoff trips.

[B]

The last couple of years. They were able to build a roster that was pretty substantial. And granted, I don't think Brian Kelly was a good fit There. Lane would probably be a great fit at lsu.

[A]

And you want to wait him out, huh? Oh, yeah. January 2nd. Lane, you're in the semifinal.

[B]

We'll see.

[A]

Is that worth it?

[B]

We'll see. Lane's going to be the top three two paid coach in college football.

[A]

Should we do a friendly wager that doesn't have to be monetary? I believe he stays at Ole Miss.

[B]

Well, what are your options? You tell me. Who's the better option? You don't think Lane Kiffin is a great fit? So who's a good fit?

[A]

No, no, I think for Lane Kiffin staying at Ole Miss makes sense.

[B]

Okay, so who does LSU hire?

[A]

I honestly, I don't know that it's that attractive. Let me use that word, attractive of a job. Now, given all the upheaval with the ad, the board of governors, all this nonsense that's going on there. I mean, Joe, you're walking into a hornet's nest. True or false?

[B]

False. Take the crayons away. What are we doing?

[A]

All right, guy, here we go. Colin has checked in. What about Lane? In the NFL? New York Giants Jackson Dart reunion?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, no shot.

[B]

No, I. And I said this. I said this to Colin last week. I still think that, that as as big of issues structurally that college football has, it's still more appealing to guys that. That have a heart for college football because of the influence and immortality that is offered in college football that is not offered in the NFL. Fine, go. Go work in. In the NFL and you can win a Super Bowl. You can win multiple Super Bowls, and all anyone is going to care about is who was your quarterback. But in college football, like, you're. You're the king. You know, you win a couple of national championships and they build you out in front, and that program is always yours. You are the quarterback of. Of that program. Plus you still have the ability to influence 18 to 22 year olds, grow them, develop them, you know, from young men into men. And that's. I think that's still something that is. Is appealing and attractive to a lot of guys that stay in the college level and is not offered at the NFL level.

[A]

Good stuff. Joel Klett. I'm sorry to derail things with lsu.

[B]

That's all right.

[A]

We'll talk off air. You can yell at me. It's fine.

[B]

It's a good job.

[A]

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[B]

Turn on the news.

[A]

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[C]

We all almost fell off our seats, but you know, Jason, the Seahawks, oh, active at the trade deadline, they acquired former Saints wide receiver Rasheed Shahid. Remember, Shahid played for the Seattle offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak last year in New Orleans, so he knows what he's got. Now she is 27 years old. He has 44 receptions for 499 yards, two TDs in nine games this season. He will be a free agent at the end of this year. But Seattle definitely needed some reinforcements outside of jsn. So do you like it, Jason? What do you think?

[A]

Like it a lot. Yeah, it's weird. I feel like Seattle's more of a contender in the NFC than, like, Indy and Pittsburgh are in the AFC because they got to play some really, really strong teams. Yeah, I think this is a good move. They got weapons on the outside. Darnold is playing great. The defense is pretty formidable. I I Seattle's a dangerous team right now. Assuming Darnold can keep it up we saw what happened at the end of last season with Minnesota. Well, tough, but, yeah, I would have Seattle, you know, not much behind the packers and Eagles in the nfc.

[C]

I just like that Shahid's such a deep threat.

[A]

Yeah, right. Because they.

[C]

They already have someone to move the chains, but he really provides. I think in the last three years, he's only behind Jamar Chase and Tyreek Hill in catches over 40 yards.

[A]

Oh, wow. So that's a good company to be in. Yes.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[A]

That's good. Good.

[C]

Good acquisition there.

[A]

All right.

[C]

The Broncos, on the other hand, sat out at the trade deadline. They did not try to muscle up for a possible super bowl run, and maybe they don't need to. They are sitting at 7 and 2, first place in the AFC west, tied for best overall in the NFL. Quarterback Bo Nix was asked about his team staying quiet, and he said there's a reason Denver didn't make a move. Take a listen.

[A]

Obviously, if there's a need, you want to get it, but we feel like we're. We got all the pieces, and so sometimes when something like that happens, it shakes things up and, you know, we got something good going, and we just want to keep riding this wave and find ways to win now.

[C]

J. Mac. The Broncos did reportedly reach out to the Dolphins about wide receiver Jaylen Waddle, but the price was a first round pick. They just decided. Too much. Yeah. Do you agree with Bo Nix? You think they're good the way they are?

[A]

I was just going through their roster and I'm like, they're kind of stacked. I mean, certain on the ir that obviously hurts. I can't find a discernible weakness other than Bo Nix, really. And you're not replacing him or finding a quarterback. So if he can get it together, just tighten it up. He struggled on the deep ball this year. Struggled on really everything. I think they're in good shape now. This is interesting, this Raiders game. This was the first bet I made this week, and I, you know, start looking into the game and I'm like, oh, the Broncos have the Chiefs. After that, Chiefs are off a buy. Does Denver let one slip here against the Raiders? If they should lose, then they're playing the Chiefs, and next thing you know, they're out of first place.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So, I mean, Bo Nix has to be great. I think this is a pretty dangerous Denver team, but I don't know you. You've been doing this long enough. Like, I have. Like, I gotta see it in the postseason from Bo Nicks. I've seen it from Lamar, from Josh, from Mahomes. Like I need to see it in the playoffs. Like, geez, look at those stats. They were a dominant fourth quarter team. Yeah, I think, I think the Broncos made a good move. Not making a move.

[C]

Well, look, I mean you can't see it until the playoffs. Until the playoffs come. Right. So the best they could do is where they are now. I like that they didn't add a receiver. I think Bo Nix improvises a lot and that requires a lot of sort of rhythm and knowledge and knowing where your receivers are going to be and them knowing where you're going to do and you throw someone new in that mix halfway through of the season. I don't know. Yeah, I. I'm not sure that that would have been a good bet.

[A]

Well, I also like your point about you got. They got to have a chance to do it in the playoffs. Like okc. I doubted them. I need to see in the playoffs. Sga. Well, we, we. We saw it last year.

[C]

Yes, we did. You're still doubting them.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Little bit.

[C]

A little bit. Little bit. Yesterday we saw six trades made. Jason, that is the third busiest deadline day in the last 35 years. But here's the juiciest story for me. I love this one. Reportedly, the Titans who are in sell mode, weren't will with the Patriots. According to one report, Titans owner Amy Adams drunk. She did not want to make deals with Mike Vrabel because of how Vrabel's tenure ended in Tennessee. J. Mac, you know, I like to say there's no petty like NBA petty, but this is close.

[A]

Well, this is. This reminds me of that Belichick story from a few weeks ago that he wouldn't let Patriot scouts come to practice or whatever. So I gotta ask you, Rachel, like, I get petty. We all hold grudges. It's kind of human nature. But at the end of the day, like, are you doing a disservice to your team?

[C]

I mean, look, the Titans are one in eight. They need some salary relief. So I would say trade whoever you can with whoever you can. But look, Vrabels, we all know, look, he took a bunch of assistance with him. There was definitely some bad blood at the end of his last season there. She thought. Thought that he had too much control over the roster. She put in a GM to sort of balance that back out. He didn't like it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I mean, you know that there's stuff.

[A]

Well, is that GM that she put in, the one that traded A.J. brown?

[C]

I don't think so.

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Well, I mean, like, again, Vraple's a really good coach. Look what he's done in one year. He had the Titans, the number one seed with Ryan Tannehill as quarterback. I mean, I know they had Derrick Henry, but I don't know. It's just. Listen, if you bashed Belichick for what he was doing to the Patriots, I think you kind of got to say, I got to bash the Titans for doing this and not. Yeah, I mean, if you got a chance to make your team better, I think you got to do it.

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Right.

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Yeah. I mean, look, Rabel was great for them, right? Three times in five seasons, made the playoffs, first championship game in 17 years. Sorry, 15 years for that franchise. I. In the end, don't you have to feel better about his tenure than how it ended?

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Yeah, I don't know. I. Total agreement, Rachel, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd line. All right, so yesterday we had midterms around the country. I was playing in a men's league game and prepping for the show. I have no idea what happened. I do. Anyway, so today we're doing NFL midterms, Rachel and I. It's going to be fun. That's back after this. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age. Denver, 34,000 people come out.

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Salt Lake City, 20,000 people out.

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You know, huge turnouts.

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People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.

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His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.

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Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie?

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Is that too far left for you? Okay, okay, wait, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party. To me, the failure of the Democratic.

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Wherever you get your podcasts back here on the herd. Wrapping up the second hour and Rachel had some a good little in intel little piece of information. You want to reveal it? I don't know that this is public info yet.

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It's mainly for you because you're coming to the Lakers game tonight. Mookie Betts, Will Smith, Tyler Glasnow, Blake Snell, Evan Phillips, they're all coming to Lakers, spurs, the Dodgers continuing to celebrate. Yeah, you know, as if Freddie Freeman doing the worm wasn't enough.

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So they'll be celebrating at Wembanyama Lakers tonight.

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Good.

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Good one. All right, Rachel. Midterms happened last night around the country. Midterm elections. Very exciting stuff. We decided we'd do an NFL version of it. Here we go.

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All right, I'm like your ballot and then you can cast it, right? So ballot question number one. J. Mac, who gets your vote for coach at end the year?

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All right, this one to me is not that difficult. I'm casting my vote. See this here on the screen? Boom for Mike Vrabel of the New England Patriots. I long believe everybody, that if you can do more with less, you're the man for the job. And I absolutely love the move the Patriots made. I think Vrabel's been phenomenal. How about this stat? 60 when cornerback Christian Gonzalez plays. Breaking news. He's not on the injury report. Today, according to Vrabel. That's great news. Huge game for them against the Bucks. I just think Vrabel's done a phenomenal job a year ahead of schedule.

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All right, question number two. Which means we're already up to more than was on the California ballot yesterday. Who gets your vote for MVP in the midterm?

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All right, this one. Another layup. I'm casting my vote. Here we go. Most value. A comeback player of the year. Oh, Most valuable player of the year.

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Mvp, baby.

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Yeah.

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Mvp. This one was not difficult, folks. And that's Sammy Darnold. Yes. The quarterback of the Seattle Seahawks. I know some people, Jason, you're crazy. Guys, just by the numbers, and this is bothering me. Sam Darnold has been absolutely tremendous with Seattle. The numbers are ridiculous. I know his odds are not great, but he's the best downfield passer in the NFL. Seattle rebooted at quarterback and wide receiver one. And they're perfectly fine. Give me. Sam Darnold is the MVP of.

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Of till now.

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Right?

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So there you go.

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Just to now.

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Yeah, there you go. All right. Who does Now? Now do it. Who. Who gets your comeback player of the year?

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Yes. Another easy one. My guy carrying my fantasy team. I'm casting my ballot for Christian McCaffrey. Oh, my gosh. The usage is through the roof. Probably too much, but Rachel, he's been dynamic.

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It's.

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It's interesting. Saquon Barkley really struggling this year. Christian McCaffrey, who missed most of last year, he's back with Avengers. I'm not going to rattle off the numbers, by the way. He is the favorite to win comeback player of the year, but he's on pace for a 2000 yard season with rushing and receiving yards. A thousand each. Pretty impressive.

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Yeah. All right, now, so this is the part of the ballot, like when they ask you to pick judges. We're getting a little more deep into the weeds. Right. Who gets your vote for offensive rookie of the year?

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This is tough because Ibuk has been phenomenal. Tyler Warren has been transformational. T. Mac. Pretty damn good. I am casting my ballot for Jackson Dart. Yes. The ladies man in New York City. He's got the popular mom. He's very cool, swagged out. Have you seen the photos of him rolling up to New York City clubs?

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Yes.

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I mean, listen, he's got the drip going on. Heavy necklaces, like a white T shirt, baggy pants. I'm like, okay, I need that look. I mean, he's been the man. And on the field, Rachel, he's got like nobody. Malik Davis is gone. Scatter Boo's hurt. I gotta say I was wrong on dart. I think he's been outstanding. Offensive rookie of the year. Give it to me. He's a favorite by the way.

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He's got nobody but he's got charisma.

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J Mac, you got the Riz as your daughters like to say, right?

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Exactly. Defensive rookie of the year, who you got?

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This was a little more challenging. Some strong candidates. Abdul Carter's been good. Not amazing guys from Seattle, Dallas, Philly, all well. But I'm going to cast my vote. This is where the toughest one on the ballot it. Jihad Campbell, the young linebacker for the Eagles has basically stepped into a Super bowl winning team and not missed a beat. I cannot believe how good he's been. Second best odds right now behind Carter. He's grading out as the fourth best linebacker in the NFL as a rookie according to Pro Football Focus. Jihad Campbell. Jihad Campbell. Just outstanding rookie year.

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All right, so now that's the rookies overall. Who's your vote for best offensive player of the year so far?

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Yeah. I don't think this is much of a challenge. The ballot easily. I know you want to hear Jonathan Taylor, but no siree. Jsn, Jackson Smith, the Jigba. He's emerged I think as the best receiver in the NFL, folks. He's open on every play. Look at the stutter step at the line of scrimmage. He's shaking everybody. Jsn Absolutely love it. Offensive player of the year.

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And what about defense? Who's your on that side?

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Defense? Yeah, this one one because I don't like Jerry Jones casting that ballot for Mr. Micah Parsons. I know Garrett had the five sack game. Hutchinson's been great. Micah Parsons, amazing. Plus he's got a badass face mask. Look at that.

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That is cool.

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I cast my vote for Micah Parsons and the super bowl bound Green Bay Packers.

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You're. You're just as petty as the Titans owner apparently.

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Yeah.

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The big till those who gets your vote for the team who will finish with the most regular season wins.

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Yeah. I had to look at the schedule and going forward I'm casting my vote for the Buffalo Bills. I feel like they unlocked something during the bye week. Totally bottled up Carolina, which had been rolling and then body bagged the Chiefs in a big spot. I think they're in really good shape. The schedule bears it out. They have the Dolphins left. They have Jake Browning, Dylan Gabriel, Justin Fields, Rachel. They're cooking. Yep.

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All right, so this is the last one which California team will finish with the better record. There's three.

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Yeah, well, we're going to California.

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The.

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The screen. The segment's pretty fire except for the damn ballot box. Yeah, California team. There it is. I'm going with the Rams because I'm, I'm buying what Cal Herd is drinking. Not the Mucinex, the other stuff. I think this Rams team. Oh my gosh, the schedule lines up really, really well for them. They're, they're crushing teams. How about this stat? Least penalized team in the NFL for the second straight season and Stafford has been lights out. Old man Stafford. Puka Devonte. My vote for the for the Rams.

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Yeah, all that hand wringing preseason about Stafford's back and totally fine.

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All right, coming up final hour, I'll tell you why one team in the NFL had the greatest day in franchise history. Hint they wear green and white jerseys.

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On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years and today he even throws a few questions my way.

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All right.

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