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Bowen Yang
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Bowen Yang
I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers.
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Matt Rogers
During this season of the Two Guys.
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Bowen Yang
Five Rings podcast in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends.
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Matt Rogers
Hi Vaughn.
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Bowen Yang
Hi Matt.
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Matt Rogers
Hey Elmo. Hey Matt. Hey Bowen.
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Bowen Yang
Hi Cookie.
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Matt Rogers
Hi. Now the Winter Olympic Games are underway and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to Two Guys Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
Thanks for listening to the Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started.
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
Here we go. It's hour two. What a great time to be alive. USC big presence in the Super Bowl. Sam Darnold. I tell you, feeling really good. Don't want to be obnoxious. Man of the people. J Mack. I don't want to get over my skis on here but life is good. So I'm going to get the nick right in five minutes but I thought it's the way too early. Five up, five down.
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Bowen Yang
I love this idea.
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Matt Rogers
Okay, so five teams and it's not just going to be record. You are going to feel differently about these teams positively next year and then five teams and some of the teams that I have going down are are teams that will be good but I don't think they'll be as special. So we're going to play five up, five down. Let's start. Glass half full. So I am at my core of course first of all five up. The New York Giant is the easiest pick on the board. I like their roster. Top 10o line, top 10d line I think 11 according to PFF. They were 1 and 7 in one score games. Jackson Dart now gets an elite coach and a culture setter. They have the number five overall pick. They can trade down and accumulate more picks. Their lines are good enough. They got to get a right tackle, a tight end, probably another weapon. Scatter Boo Jackson Darth 4 13. Giants are my pick to double their win total. They'll look different by mid September. The Commanders same division. They get Jaden Daniels back. They were five and 12. I don't know if they're going to win 10 games but they have a lot of cap space. They're the oldest team in the NFL. The Commanders are going to be a different looking team again. Seven one score games, they won only two. Dan Quinn is solid if not exceptional cap space. Lost a lot of close games. They get their quarterback back. Just don't forget how gifted he was as a rookie. The third team is the Detroit Lions at 9 8. They're going to get back into the 12 win territory. I love. I was surprised it didn't get more positive feedback the hire of Arizona's offensive coordinator Drew Petzing. Didn't anybody else watch Arizona this year and go how the hell are they scoring all these points with Jacoby Brissette? He's clever. Maybe not Ben Johnson, but their stars are locked up. Goff is still in his prime. Amaran Saint Brown, Pennsyl, Hutchison, Gibbs on a rookie deal. We're not a very good team in close games. Dan Campbell had to take over the offense. This is still an elite front office that drafts well and acquires well. They're gonna get their mojo back. They struggled at OC 9 and 8 to probably an 11 or a 12 win team. The Chargers, now they were 11, 6 and they may only go 12, 5. They will feel different. Mike McDaniel, probably the best coordinator higher in the sport. They get both offensive tackles back and both are way above average. Third most cap space. They have drafted well with Jim Harbaugh again. They have been a defensive first team that survives offensively that we're not considering a Super bowl team next year there'll be an offensive led team that won't be as good defensively, but you will feel very early in the season, oh, this team could win the Super Bowl. Whether they do or not, they'll have a totally different field and finally an easy one. The Kansas City Chiefs, two years ago they won every close game. Last year they lost every close game. One and nine. You know you're going to get in the middle somewhere around there. Also their offensive tackle position when Josh Simmons wasn't playing and he's really talented, was a mess. He's back. Mahomes is healthy. Travis Kelce, I argued for him to return one more year. Listen, you just have to be honest about it. When you're drafting at the bottom of rounds, it's really hard. GMs will tell you after about the 18th pick, you wish you could just have more second and third round picks. They're going to be fine. They're going to improve. 6 and 11, my guess becomes 11 and 6. Here's five down. Houston, 12 and 5. Okay. They have dominated their division the last two years. 10 and 2. That's not happening again. That's not happening again. Tennessee is going to be much better. Jacksonville is really good. They've also been five and nine the last couple of years against teams that make the playoffs. I love C.J. stroud. I think he throws the prettiest ball on some Sundays in the league. He has regressed to an 89 passer rating. Guy who turns the ball over way too much. They will be good as long as d' Amico Ryan's is the coach. But I don't think they feel the same. I don't think offensively they've got the right rhythm. 12 and 5 to me becomes like what? 9 and 8, 10 and 10 and 7 but you never feel like they're a Super bowl team. I would say the Patriots, okay, 14 and three is not happening. AFC is going to be much better. The Chiefs will be better. The Chargers will be better. Cincinnati, Baltimore. Jacksonville's only getting better in Liam Cohen second year. They're not going 14 and three. My guess, they're closer to 10, 11 wins. Also, it's the Dan Marino thing. They got to solve their offensive line. Dan Marino with Don Shul never got back to a Super Bowl. It was a really bad year. I mean, they got. Let's be honest, if Bo Nicks plays, they probably don't make the Super Bowl. They were completely overwhelmed by Seattle. It wasn't necessarily close. I love Rabel, Drake. May's good, but you start looking at the afc, there's just too many good quarterbacks. There's too many good coaches. There are too many good coordinators. They take a step back. 49ers, who I love. 12 and 5. George Kittle probably not available till mid season. Robert Sala had an unbelievable year as defensive coordinator. Bosa aging, getting hurt more often. What are they going to do at receiver? Brandon Ayuk's gone. Joanne Jennings is a free agent. What are they going to do? Christian McCaffrey comes off a 450 touch season and he is now 30. So I again, they did it with smoke and mirrors last year. They'll be fine. I don't think they're a 12, 5 team Cowboys 7, 9 1. I think they unravel. They're a mess. How? Jerry Jones, a businessman. How can you be this big of a mess? They're 29 million over the cap. They want to pay George Pickens. That's going to cost you $29 million. Worst defense in the NFL. They're spending an NFL high 70 million on their interior defensive line and an NFL low 6 million on their edge rushers. How are they this big of a mess? Stop trying to get discounts. Hire a real GM. Pay big money for a coach. Seven nine one. They're going down. And finally Philadelphia at 11 and 6. How many coordinator changes can you make? You just had a top offensive line coach say I'm out. You've got some older offensive linemen who are getting banged up increasingly and may may decide at some point I'm out. I think they've been doing it a little bit just on Howie Roseman's roster, but I don't feel Sirianni is an elite coach. I don't care about the record and I think the books in on Jalen hurts not beloved in the locker room. I've got that sourced. I also I think he struggles throwing the ball down the field. I said it yesterday, you don't want to give Sam Darnold any credit. Darnold sits in that pocket, doesn't turn it over in the last month and throws the ball right into the heart of the defense. I'm sorry. On the market. I think GMs take Darnold over Jalen hurts. So Giants Commanders, Lion, Chargers, Chiefs up down, Texans, Patriots, Niners, Cowboys, Eagles. I also think Tennessee should be better, but I'm not ready to commit just yet. With that, Nick Wright joins us live. First things first. Anything jump out to you? Any big whiff by me?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, so I have a question but first an observation. Overall, I think it's a great list. It is. It did make me smile that all the teams you have trending up are teams that missed the playoffs or dealt with massive injury. Except for of course the 11 win Chargers. That all we gotta do is move on from Anthony Lynn and Justin Herbert will show you who he. Oh, never mind. Brandon Staley is the prop. Darn it. Jim Harbaugh. That ain't it. No, it was all Greg Rowland's fault. Now Mike McDaniel will fix it. You Harbaugh, I mean you Herbert guys are just something else. Like I'm starting to think maybe you greased Sam Monson's palms so he voted for Herbert for mvp. You might be the man behind the mirror in that I am. But otherwise I think it's a really good collection. My question is this because I was surprised. I don't necessarily think it's wrong. I was surprised you didn't have Baltimore or Cincinnati on trending up. So tell me.
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Matt Rogers
Okay, so Baltimore Lamar wants a new contract. Okay, I'm sorry but my concern too. Yeah. And we, we just saw it with Josh Allen, no Pro Bowlers on defense. I think even Brett Veets and the Chiefs when, when the quarterback's a big quarterback hit, you're, you're not going to have a running gate, you're going to have a hole. And I believe the NFL is not about being great everywhere. You can't be terrible anywhere if you're terrible at left tackle. New England Chiefs this year when Simmons is hurt, it's just impossible. The coaching's too good. So. And by the way, I like New England and I like the Texans, but the afc, let's be fair, had a down year. It's going to be noticeably healthier and better next Year.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, and I don't know if you. So I think Patriots right now, and I know we'll talk about the super bowl, but I think the Patriots are probably worse than a coin flip to get back to the playoffs next year. And it's not because they were frauds. It's not. I like Drake, May I love Vrabel. But to go from literally the softest schedule in the NFL this. This century. Century, and the second softest in 50 years to next year. They had their road games, Colin. They of course, have their divisional road games, which Buffalo is one of them. And their other road games are Detroit, the Chargers, the Chiefs, Chicago, Seattle and Jacksonville. So they play six non divisional road games, four against playoff teams, and the two non playoff teams are the Lions and the Chiefs. So, like that, that schedule snapback effect on it. And so I think the Patriots, while they could be in the mix for years to come, could have a reality check next season.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah. What do we do with Sam Darnold now? Where do we classify you?
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Colin Cowherd
Skip work and go to the parade. Like, I mean, that's what you do.
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Matt Rogers
I said yesterday, y' all forced me to love Brock Purdy. If Purdy and Darnold are on the market, Everybody's taken. Every GM's taken Darnold. Bigger, stronger, better. Army didn't have a turnover for a month against the NFC playoffs. And the Patriots. What do we do with Sam now? I'll let you take it because people don't think I'm objective on that. Well.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, listen, you don't. This is. I mean, people can say you're not objective. This is the one. I shouldn't say the one, but this is one thing that you can say, everyone was wrong but me. Colin Cowherd, like, you get to take a victory lap on this, buddy. You never. You never relented in believing this was possible. And no one else thought it was possible. So I will. I give you full credit on that because you deserve it. Now, where he falls in the quarterback hierarchy is this yesterday? I thought you did. You did. An interesting thing about just comparing him within the nfc because the AFC is kind of stacked with the quarterbacks and the NFC is stacked with the great teams. Exactly right. That's just how it has fallen. So Stafford's better than him. I understand they won. Stafford's better than him, but Stafford's old. So if you were to say if the question is, hey, NFC quarterbacks, you want for the next three to five years, Stafford's out of it. And then it become like, Would I rather have Darnold or Hertz? I would rather have Darnold. Would I rather have Darnold or Purdy? I would rather have Darnold.
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Matt Rogers
Same.
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Colin Cowherd
Dak is a question. Dak. I think Dak has shown more, but Dak has never had anything close to the NFC championship game. Darnold just had. And he's older. So then it becomes Darnold against the younger guys. Darnold or golf. That's a coin flip to me. And then the younger guys, Caleb, Jaden, Jordan, Love, who's about his age but feels young, didn't play much. Like. So those are all debates. It's remarkable that those are debates. But I. You hit on, I think, the most important point. He led the league in turnovers. And then in week 18, with the one seat on the line, didn't turn it over. First playoff game, didn't turn it over. Going bar for bar with Matt Stafford in the NFC Championship game, which if that was the real super bowl, he was the MVP of that game. And then he did what Drake May wasn't able to do in the super bowl, avoid the disaster. And he had three or four times in the Super Bowl, Colin, where I was like, oh, he's going to get sacked. And he escaped it just enough to get the ball off, which is all that team needed. It felt to me, Colin, like Mike Vrabel's game plan was, sam Darnold's gonna give it to us. We just have to avoid disaster, be conservative on offense. Darnold will give it to us. The very first throw of the game. I thought he gave it to him. The very first throw I thought was pick six. I was like, oh, no. But it got through. And he never made a mistake, like a big mistake the rest of the way.
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Matt Rogers
You know, it's funny. We had a resurgence of defensive coaches, and I do think it's funny Liam Cohen got more votes for coach of the year than Mike McDonald. Because we can see offense, we can see Shanahan's motion. We can see Liam Cohen's elevation of Trevor Lawrence. And Liam was on last week. Brilliant guy. We can see McVeigh's offense. You can't really see what a defensive coach does. You're like, well, you know, they draft well. And RG3 was on the show and yesterday and talked about that. Is that we tend. I mean, there's Mike McDaniel in Miami for two years, was the talk of the league because it was, oh, my God, it's clever. Mike McDonald's like, well, I mean, he's. I mean, he's not McVeigh or Shanahan, but he's a heck of a coach. And I wonder if we have. Take out Andy Reid. Take out Andy Reid. And you said all these great young coaches. Has mcvan, Shanahan, have they met their equal in Seattle?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, so that's. I think it's a great question because the. Mike McDonald, what his defenses have done since he's been with Seattle. Eleven games against young quarterbacks there. Those young quarterbacks are one in ten, averaging less than 16 points a game.
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Matt Rogers
Crazy.
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Colin Cowherd
If you take his time in his two years in Baltimore and then to Seattle where he's running defenses, quarterbacks in their first game, first time seeing his defense 10 and 33 again, averaging less than 16 points per game. I think there are a couple things that are working against Mike McDonald from like a PR perspective. One is what you're alluding to. Offense seem like the, the. The nerds who cover football, of which I'm kind of one. Lean offense, the analytics, lean offense.
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Matt Rogers
It's eye candy, right?
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Colin Cowherd
A guy like you mentioned, McVeigh and Shanahan all go a level lower. Up until 15 days ago, Kevin OConnell was considered far above Mike McDan McDonald on the coaching hierarchy because he's the quarterback whisperer guy, Kevin o'.
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Matt Rogers
Connell.
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Colin Cowherd
But Kevin o' Connell had a team that had Sam Darnold last year, and they got clocked in their first playoff game. They didn't build it out like this. So I think that has worked against him. And the other thing that I think honestly has worked against him is East coast vs West Coast Publicity bias. Like, I think if he were the coach of Washington and he would have more the Washington Commanders rather than Washington State. I just think the fact that Seattle plays a lot of those 405 Eastern Games, they're not like a front of the marquee team. He rode a little more in anonymity, as opposed to Vrabel, who obviously was a celebrity player, you know, a famous player, I should say. But the fact that he's on the east coast with the Patriots while McDonald's on the west coast with the, with the Seahawks. I mean, I, I think Variable is a great coach, but the level of the PR machine for one versus the other going into the super bowl was a little too much like. I had to read three articles, Colin. They're like, guess what? Vrabel did the practice before the Super Bowl. You're not going to believe it. Middle of practice, he called his players off the field for an extended halftime and even played Bad Bunny on the speakers. It's innovation we've never seen. I'm like, guys, he didn't invent practicing for the long halftime. But Vrabel, who's an excellent coach in Boston, famous guy, got a lot, a lot of cred leading up to the Super Bowl. McDonald, not so much.
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Matt Rogers
The. There's so much here. The. I want to ask this Laker question because we've got a lot of football and we've got. I see the clock. So the NBA makes it hard to trade. The NFL does not. And because of that, like, Darren Peterson plays for Kansas. Draft him. I don't. I don't care that he's not available much. You draft him, he's a three and D player. It's a three and D league. I don't care that he misses games. He was sick. People get sick. He has cramps. He looks like Kobe. Draft him. I don't care. Christian McCaffrey missed a sun Bowl. People freaked out. It was one of the best college backs I've ever seen. Draft Christian McCaffrey. So we were saying this with the Lakers. I was reading the L A Times this week, as I'm prone to do. I love the newspaper industry.
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Colin Cowherd
Of course. You even pantomimed. You're reading out on your phone. You the. All the broadsheets you were on. You're in Chicago on the L train, reading a physical law, Los Angeles Times, bumping into people. I get it. I love it. You painted the picture.
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Matt Rogers
And Laker fans in the letters to the editor, they all know the problem. Like every letter was, we're atrocious defensively. We're all offensive guys. And I said, laker fans know the problem. I don't think they know the wrecking ball they need. I said, I think JJ Redick's good and Luke is excellent. I would move everybody. OKC, Detroit, San Antonio, elite defenses, three best teams in the league. You're pretty. LeBron came out last night and to his credit, said, you know, the difference is they can play hard for 48 minutes. We can't do that. When you look at The Lakers and LeBron, how do you part gracefully, Bronny LeBron? How do you make that whole thing work? So it's gracious. You bring the wrecking ball in. Are this going to be one of those clunky, awful. That's no way to treat a star exit?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I don't think that'll be it. Because LeBron's, his contract's up after this year, he'll be a free agent and I think he'll leave. LeBron has finished every contract he's ever had. He's honored every contract he's ever had. He's never been traded, never demanded a trade. And I think he'll finish his time with the Lakers. But I think the Lakers story is of this last half decade is that of massive missed opportunity. Because the Lakers now at this deadline, they made a marginal move trading for Luke Kennard. But from the championship until the Luca trade, they just stood pat every year at the deadline, they never tried. They always were more worried about max cap space down the road when this is no longer Colin a max cap space league because no great players hit free agency. Great players used to if they wanted to change teams, let their contracts expire. Now they're like, team that I don't want to be on. Can I have that extension? Oh, we signed it. I'd like to be traded, please. So max cap space is not that useful because what is useful is either trade assets or going for it when you have great players. And I think the warriors made the mistake of this two timeline nonsense and threw away the last few years of Steph's prime. And I think the Lakers threw away the last couple years previously when LeBron was still a top three player in the league. Then they got Luka and they still didn't accelerate. They're like, no, we're going to wait. We're going to wait, man. There is a very real chance that the best teammate Luka Doncic ever has in his Lakers career is LeBron James last year. And the second best one might be Austin Reaves this year. To not try to fix what is obviously a fatal flaw of the roster, which is we have no defenders, is baffling. And for them to be. And it's not even about LeBron. They are in back to back years. Colin punting on a chance to win the title with prime Luka Doncic. You have prime Luka Doncic and you're like, this year's not the time. And honestly, if we don't pull off a Giannis heist, next year's probably not the time either. It's baffling. Hopefully the Dodgers folks that are taking it over have a more clicking or ticking time clock than Rob Balinkas had. But yeah, they're not a championship level team because they can't. They got to score 135 to win against good teams. You're not going to win three rounds that way, let alone Four.
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Matt Rogers
All right, buddy. You did a great job yesterday. You're going to have good shows all week and we'll get to the Chiefs next week. I didn't want to burden you with that one. I wanted a Lakers take.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, I thought it was. It's nice for the whole NFL to see how the Chiefs have been carrying the AFC this decade. You see these Super Bowls when the Chiefs aren't in them. You see these AFC playoffs when the Chiefs aren't in them. Lot of Stidham Mac or Stidham Drake made ten. Seven. Yeah. Everybody miss Kansas City a little bit? It's fine. You're off. Be back next year. See you soon, buddy.
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Matt Rogers
All right. Nick Wright. First things first. Yeah, the, it was a, it was a clunky AFC playoffs. The NFC's were unbelievable. I was talking to my buddy in New York who is a Seahawk, devoted Seahawk fan and I'm like six. Most cap space, best defense, young coach Darnold, team friendly deal. They've got their first, second and third round picks. They have about two to three needs. They'll answer all those. I'm not saying. I'm just saying Seattle is going to be really good next year and the year after. Then you don't know. You can't project three years out in pro football. You can project 24 months.
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Bowen Yang
That's fair. But if they lose one of two, Walker or Shaheed. And what if they lose two of two? They lose both those guys.
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Matt Rogers
Shaheed, you can lose.
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Bowen Yang
I mean he, he. That punt return against the Rams essentially saved their season. Down 16 with 8 minutes left in the game. Yeah, Walker kickoff returning.
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Matt Rogers
Walker's very, very important.
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Bowen Yang
Charbonnet will be back. But also I think this Kubiak loss. Colin, I don't want to draw a direct parallel to what happened with Jared Goff and Ben Johnson, but we saw when you lose your offensive coordinator, that offense sagged and well predicted that.
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Matt Rogers
Okay. Goff was still fine. The problem, you went from the best offensive coordinator and it dropped down to.
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Bowen Yang
An in house guy.
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Matt Rogers
So Clint Kubiak I don't think is Ben Johnson. I think he's good. So you're not that high. And my, my, my gut is John Snyder and Mike McDaniel. Mike Mc. They don't choose guy down the hall now. They may. They may.
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Bowen Yang
Yeah. There's chatter they're going to go in house for that.
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Matt Rogers
I don't love that. But my take is Ben Johnson was the best OC for three years. Clint Kubiak's a really good OC. And the guy who replaced Ben Johnson. It didn't work. By mid season Campbell took it over. If you hire a guy that's not Clint Kubiak but is capable it's in a really good roster and a really good gm. I mean last year super bowl team was Philly led by their gm. This year's super bowl is Seattle.
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Bowen Yang
Oh yeah Philly lost their lost their OC Kellen Moore goes to the Saints. Yeah new OC total disaster offense sags.
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Matt Rogers
Still double digit wins and it was a disaster but the division was a joke.
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Bowen Yang
Washington fell off a cliff. Wow. I mean you're almost telling me on the opposite of Seattle. They're going to go to nine wins. That division is brutal.
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Matt Rogers
No no. See how it's gonna be good be good slinging Sammy D is coming back live in LA one more herd the.
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Rogers
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Colin Cowherd
It continues to grow and I have.
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Rogers
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
I'm Bowen Yang.
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Matt Rogers
And I'm Matt Rogers.
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Bowen Yang
During this season of the 2.5rings podcast, in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bon. Hi, Matt.
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Matt Rogers
Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt. Hey, Bowen.
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Colin Cowherd
Hi, Cookie.
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own rules. We didn't worry about what went on outside.
- [32:43]
Matt Rogers
It was like stepping in another world.
- [32:46]
Bowen Yang
Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk.
- [32:55]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie.
- [33:01]
Bowen Yang
Take him away from here.
- [33:03]
Matt Rogers
Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush him.
- [33:10]
Bowen Yang
From Atlas Observation, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place. A story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volkswagen Beetle started out as Hitler's dream car. It wound up as a beloved hippie icon and the best selling car of all time. How did that happen? I'm Jacob Goldstein.
- [33:40]
Colin Cowherd
And I'm Robert Smith.
- [33:41]
Bowen Yang
On business history, we tell the surprising stories behind the inventions and entrepreneurs that shaped our economy. And the story of the Beatle is truly surprising. It has so much in it. It has Nazis. It has the German economic miracle. And it features one of the most famous ads of all time. An ad that really redefined what advertising was in the United States. The calculation was that there was some number of Americans who were ready for something different, who were ready for something that was counter to the culture, if you will.
- [34:11]
Colin Cowherd
Perfect timing.
- [34:13]
Bowen Yang
Decade of the 1960s.
- [34:15]
Colin Cowherd
Listen to Business History on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get.
- [34:19]
Bowen Yang
Your podcasts and watch episodes on YouTube.
- [34:24]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, I don't understand why the NBA, we don't like tanking. Let's be honest. Five to seven teams every year are tanking and everybody understands it and you can't stop it. It, it's like, okay, just. I mean, I'm not saying you have to go and full embrace it, but don't, don't change any rules to avoid tanking. And bottom line, don't you want the bad teams to get good? Let them. I don't like a team being the second worst in the league and then drafting nine. It's like reward them, give them a player. Guess what? If you do that, they won't be tanking in three years. But it feels like it's the same teams over and over and over. If they don't win the pin ping pong ball lottery, you know, you have to tank again. Seems to me J. Mac with the news.
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Bowen Yang
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Herd line news. You know who had a good Super Bowl? Colin Cooper Cup. Haven't talked much about him. He was everywhere. 61 yards at 12 targets. Pretty good game from Cooper cup afterward. Mike McDonald. He may have gone overboard on Cooper Cup's career and legacy. Take a listen.
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Matt Rogers
Cooper is an absolute force multiplier, an absolute stud of a person, stud of a teammate. This should cement him in the hall of Fame in my opinion. I mean, super bowl mvp, two time champion, all time great teammate, man. I think the other thing that with Coop is like he just. The way he's helped our program and how we build what we do from day to day is not talked about enough. You know, he's got a great perspective. I'd be an idiot not to listen to him. You know, sometimes we don't do what he wants, but definitely listen to him. You know, it's very interesting why he had a big game. So if you're Seattle and preparing for a New England Vrabel team, aren't you thinking, oh, they're going to take away jsn, you go into a game knowing that's the Vrabel Belichick mantra. Make teams play left Handed. So Seattle said, we're going to stack it for Cooper Cup. He's going to be more open. So Seattle's game plan was like, okay, JSN's great, but we know what they're going to do. They're going to be all over jsn. And they were. And so again, the game plan by McDonald I thought was superior than the New England game plan, which is Seattle was like, no, we're going to target. We're going to target our number two guy because we know what you're going to do. And Cooper cup ended up. This is one of the biggest completions of the game. So, you know, in Seattle, also, very much early is like, we're taking field goals. We're not going to play into your game and go for it on fourth down. We're taking the points and just bleed you. Three, nothing. Six, nothing. Nine, nothing. So Seattle went into this game clearly knowing we're not gonna. We know what everybody thinks you're gonna do to us and we're gonna counteract it. And I thought Seattle had a very smart game plan.
- [37:23]
Bowen Yang
That's Kubiak. Institutional knowledge walking out the door into. Where's he going? Oh, Raiders. Yeah, yeah, Raiders. So Listen, I like McDonald a lot. I like Cooper Cup a lot. What a great story. I think he went to the same college as you, right? Didn't Eastern Washington, something like that.
- [37:39]
Matt Rogers
That's largely understood as the Princeton of the Palouse.
- [37:42]
Bowen Yang
Yes, I've heard that somewhere before, I think from you. I just don't like when McDonald goes overboard and says, cement him as a Hall of Famer. Can't we just say like one of the better receivers of his generation?
- [37:53]
Matt Rogers
Well, he.
- [37:54]
Bowen Yang
I did a drill down, Colin, during the commercial break. You know how many 1000 yard receiving seasons Cooper cup has in his career?
- [38:02]
Matt Rogers
3. 2.
- [38:03]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, one amazing season.
- [38:06]
Matt Rogers
I think he's a very good player. I'm not. I don't know if he's. I don't need a Hall of Famer.
- [38:09]
Bowen Yang
I don't like that. I mean, he's had a lot of injuries.
- [38:11]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [38:12]
Bowen Yang
But I just, I don't like when guys go over, put too much pressure.
- [38:15]
Matt Rogers
If I recall like year three to year seven, he had like a four year stretch where he was just a monster.
- [38:20]
Bowen Yang
Year three, he was really good. He was, you know, 1100 yards, 10 touchdowns. I think that was with Goff when they went to the Super Bowl. Then when they get Stafford, he had another monster year. But I understand the force multiplier in the locker room. I Think you told. Was it the New York Post? Did you tell them that about me when I joined the staff force?
- [38:37]
Matt Rogers
I don't recall that.
- [38:38]
Bowen Yang
And I get it. Cooper work ethic and all that stuff. They.
- [38:41]
Matt Rogers
They love him.
- [38:41]
Bowen Yang
He's a great guy. But let's just. Let's pump the brakes on hall of Fame for Cooper cup. And I like him a lot. All right, let's move on to NFL draft season. Colin. The combine's coming up here in what, two weeks?
- [38:54]
Matt Rogers
Yep.
- [38:55]
Bowen Yang
Joel Klatten has released mock draft 1.0. And as you will find out, when you look at a lot of these mock drafts, there's no surprise at the top. Everybody and their mom has Mendoza going one to the Raiders.
- [39:05]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. Two.
- [39:06]
Bowen Yang
There is some question. Ruben Bane gets a lot of love, but Klatt has Arvell Reese, the great linebacker from Ohio State. He played a lot of middle linebacker, then came off the edge this season.
- [39:17]
Matt Rogers
Great player. I would take an offensive lineman or an edge rusher over an outside linebacker.
- [39:23]
Bowen Yang
I mean, we just saw a Super bowl where the defense dominated. The jets are rebuilding.
- [39:26]
Matt Rogers
Ruben Bane would be hard for me not to.
- [39:28]
Bowen Yang
I like Bane a lot. There's a lot of chatter about his short arms, arm length, could struggle with the left.
- [39:34]
Matt Rogers
I don't want to see the Giants take a receiver. Take Spencer Fano from Utah. Get your right tackle fix for Jackson Dart, who was in the blue 10.
- [39:42]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, I didn't understand that either.
- [39:43]
Matt Rogers
Carnell Tate's great. You don't need another receiver. Get Jackson Dart and scatter. Boo. A wall in front.
- [39:50]
Bowen Yang
And not to knock the wide receivers, but if you look at, like, the last, like, 10 years, the first receiver usually is not the best one. And that happens because you get more value when the guy drops. Now, I don't know about Makai Lemon. You know him a lot.
- [40:03]
Matt Rogers
I know him a lot.
- [40:04]
Bowen Yang
You think he goes eight? That's a little rich from.
- [40:07]
Matt Rogers
I can tell you. I can tell you there are teams that like him when you get into the 11, 12, 13, 14.
- [40:15]
Bowen Yang
Yes, I would agree.
- [40:15]
Matt Rogers
He is considered a can't miss, not a superstar. Absolute. I would say the comp is a little armor on St. Brown, but, you know, and Omaron's been great. That doesn't drop it route tree. What's really happened? Carnell Tate's more of a physical specimen. Makai Lemon's just incredibly open and dependable. Strong hands, no drops. Very good after the catch, but not a burner.
- [40:42]
Bowen Yang
Was it the Illinois game? He was just unguardable. I forget which One it was. He was so good.
- [40:47]
Matt Rogers
He didn't have off games at usc.
- [40:48]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, he's exceptional. The Jeremiah love stuff's going to be interesting. I think a lot of people are saying Chiefs. That doesn't make sense.
- [40:55]
Matt Rogers
Oh, it does to me.
- [40:56]
Bowen Yang
So many needs. Colin.
- [40:58]
Matt Rogers
Are you kidding me? Oh, I think. I think line.
- [41:00]
Bowen Yang
Is he going to run by.
- [41:00]
Matt Rogers
I think he is exceptional.
- [41:02]
Bowen Yang
The last time they took a number running back first round was Clyde Edwards. Hilaire.
- [41:06]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, but that was bottom of the first still.
- [41:08]
Bowen Yang
It didn't really work out a running back that high. Question. And then finally Caleb Downs. There is some. I got to be careful here. There's a lot of love for what happened in the super bowl with Amanwari, the safety for the Seahawks. Y and there's a couple other safeties around the league who are being moved around like chess pieces. Hugely valuable. I think Caleb Downs is a little low at 12 to the Cowboys.
- [41:30]
Matt Rogers
If you can get Caleb Downs at.
- [41:32]
Bowen Yang
12, I think he's going to go higher than that. That's. I think it's put the put now.
- [41:38]
Matt Rogers
Is this your. Oh, this is.
- [41:39]
Bowen Yang
No, this is Joel Klatt. This is Joe Klatt.
- [41:40]
Matt Rogers
I'll tell you something.
- [41:41]
Bowen Yang
Klatt's got a lot of Big Ten guys.
- [41:42]
Matt Rogers
This is a really, really good draft.
- [41:45]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, very good draft.
- [41:46]
Matt Rogers
Those are the top 12 players. There are some. Dude, David Bailey at Texas Tech is unblockable now.
- [41:52]
Bowen Yang
There is some off field stuff about Bailey that's starting to bubble up. We'll see. I like him a lot. I'm not, I'm not, not taking shots. But obviously draft season is going to be fun.
- [42:00]
Matt Rogers
Very good offensive tackle and edge rusher.
- [42:02]
Bowen Yang
Draft and as you saw this season, that's massive. Final story Con. Let's go to the NBA. Ooh, Lakers going to be very spicy here this off season and may not be good for Rob Pelinka. There is a report and I know there's a lot of reports out there, but this one indicates that if LA doesn't make a deep playoff run, Rob Pelinka's job will likely be on quote, life support despite him trading for Luka Doncic last year. Now some of that has to do with this Dodgers new ownership situation. You know how it goes. New front office. They want their guys and they could have a new GM targeted polka could be.
- [42:40]
Matt Rogers
You have the problem with Rob Polinka. I walk in as the Dodger guy and I look at the league and I do analytics and it is a three and D league and you don't have any elite defenders and not enough shooters. I got nothing against Rob Polinka who can be a little thin skinned like Rob, you don't have what the league is. This is a fantasy offense.
- [43:05]
Bowen Yang
It's difficult to find those guys when you're handicapped by the LeBron contract.
- [43:09]
Matt Rogers
I'm not I again, I'm not saying it's all on Rob. What I'm saying is go look at okc. That's what you want to be. You need. And I'm not. And I said people understand the wrecking ball. The Lakers need about five more B plus up players like like a Mikhail Bridges. They need but I mean my first round picks for one they need to McHale Bridges. They needed a better rim protector. They need at least two more three.
- [43:37]
Bowen Yang
Point shooters and despite all that they're fifth in the West.
- [43:41]
Matt Rogers
They're not. They are a regular season team.
- [43:44]
Bowen Yang
That's also true.
- [43:45]
Matt Rogers
And they are. They are so built. For now. Check in April, May when people start defending the they went into the Minnesota series a lot of oh, you were one of them. This could be interesting. It was a complete mismatch because once you play a team over and over and over then they can hunt your weaknesses. Lakers have a lot of weaknesses.
- [44:10]
Bowen Yang
Reddick's first postseason. I'm going to excuse it away. I'll just say this Palinka better go into that meeting with ownership armed with a lot of stats and an offseason game plan. Or Colin, you know how these Dodgers guys operate. I think he could be ushered out quite quickly if he doesn't come with like a great offseason game plan. And there's a lot of good free agents out there. I think the Lakers are in good shape. I think a Clippers fan on staff put this together. The Lakers under Pelinka. We have their history here. I don't know if we're going to show it, but from 2017 to 2025, let's just say a lot of first round exits for Pelinka in Los Angeles. Not great.
- [44:43]
Matt Rogers
J Mac with the news.
- [44:45]
Bowen Yang
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. The Herd line news.
- [44:49]
Matt Rogers
Todd McShay, last hour. We're going to. We're going to go back into that draft. It is a really good draft with a star quarterback at the top. It's the Herd.
- [45:00]
Bowen Yang
Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
- [45:09]
Matt Rogers
All right, two truths in a lie. Here we go. I went to college with college football coach Jim McElwaine. I began my broadcasting career doing play by play for the Las Vegas Stars, and I've been a Verizon customer for 15 years. Okay, I lied. All three are true. A Verizon isn't as expensive as you think. In fact, if you bring in your ATT or T Mobile bill to a Verizon store, they'll give you a better deal. That's right, a better deal on the best network with the most ways to save on plans, streaming and phone deals. So take that AT and T or T Mobile to your local Verizon store today. Get a better deal and start saving based on root metrics. Best overall Mobile Network Performance US Second Half 2025 all rights reserve must provide recent consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply.
- [45:58]
Bowen Yang
I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Five Rings podcast, in the lead up to the Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends.
- [46:09]
Matt Rogers
Hi, Bowen.
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Bowen Yang
Hi, Matt.
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Matt Rogers
Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt. Hey, Bowen.
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Colin Cowherd
Hi, Cookie.
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Matt Rogers
Hi. Now the Winter Olympic Games are underway and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to Two Guys, Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Segregation in the day, integration at night.
- [46:37]
Bowen Yang
When segregation was the law, one mysterious black club owner had his own own rules. We didn't worry about what was going on outside.
- [46:44]
Matt Rogers
It was like stepping in another world.
- [46:47]
Bowen Yang
Inside Charlie's Place, black and white people danced together. But not everyone was happy about it. You saw the kkk.
- [46:56]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. They was dressed up in their uniform. The KKK set out to raid Charlie.
- [47:03]
Bowen Yang
Take him away from here.
- [47:04]
Matt Rogers
Charlie was an example, a power they had to crush him.
- [47:12]
Bowen Yang
From Atlas Obscura, Rococo Punch and visit Myrtle beach comes Charlie's Place. A story that was nearly lost to time. Until now. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volkswagen Beetle started out as Hitler's dream car. It wound up as a beloved hippie icon and the best selling car of. How did that happen? I'm Jacob Goldstein.
- [47:41]
Colin Cowherd
And I'm Robert Smith. On business history, we tell the surprising.
- [47:44]
Bowen Yang
Stories behind the inventions and entrepreneurs that shaped our economy. And the story of the Beatle is truly surprising. It has so much in it. It has Nazis, it has the German economic miracle. And it features one of the most famous ads of all time. An ad that really redefined what advertising.
- [48:02]
Matt Rogers
Was in the United States.
- [48:03]
Bowen Yang
The calculation was that there was some number of Americans who were ready for something different, who were ready for something that was counter to the culture, if you will. Perfect timing in the decade of the 1960s.
- [48:17]
Colin Cowherd
Listen to Business History on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and watch episodes on YouTube.
- [48:24]
Bowen Yang
On June 11, 1998, a deputy from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.
- [48:30]
Matt Rogers
It's an all out manhunt for John Awjay.
- [48:33]
Bowen Yang
Every search and rescue team in LA.
- [48:34]
Matt Rogers
County has been called in to help.
- [48:37]
Bowen Yang
Within days tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. The ruler around the drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of. Is this the story of a man who just got lost in the desert or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?
- [48:55]
Matt Rogers
A homicide captain saying detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent. Who does that?
- [49:03]
Bowen Yang
Valley of Shadows a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance?
- [49:15]
Matt Rogers
I wouldn't do it alone.
- [49:18]
Bowen Yang
Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The Great American Race returns with back to back champion William Byron looking for a historic three peat. It doesn't get any bigger than this. The 68th running of the Daytona 500 Sunday at 2:30 Eastern with pre race coverage starting at 12:30 only on Fox.
- [49:46]
Matt Rogers
Todd McShay last hour we called it five up and five down. Five teams in the league we think are trending up. We'll be noticeably better teams. It won't all be just record and then five teams and many teams I like. I feel like they'll pull back the five up teams. The Giant is the easiest call in the league. I also think the Chargers and Lions big hits at offensive coordinator will empower the teams. I like both front offices. Kansas City is not going 6 and 11 again and I think Jaden Daniels is healthy and if he's healthy he's a very good quarterback. I like the Texans and the patriots and the 49ers I really do. But we got a question about CJ Stroud and they have not been good outside of their division. The Texans have dominated their division. Jacksonville could be better. I think Tennessee is going to be one of one of the. You got to keep your eye on Tennessee. My Guess is they're much better. New England again. I like New England and the Niners but they got lucky to some degree. Didn't have to face Bo Nicks. Bad weather, you know that was kind of. They were a limited offense with a great defense. Bad weather maybe played into it a little bit. I mean they played a Chargers team that had the 32nd ranked O line. I could see the patriots being a 10 win team and 11 win team and playing road games and against a Patrick Mahomes or a Josh Allen. Niners I think are well run but they've missed on enough draft picks that they have holes in their roster and I think Seattle and the Rams are stacked. I think it's unbelievable. One of the coaching jobs of the year. I said I was giving coach of the year to Kyle Shanahan. That's who I gave coach of the year to at 12 and five. They did not have 12 and five personnel. Shanahan and Salah were remarkable and now Salah just walk out the door. Bosa, he's getting older, getting dinged up and I don't know what they're going to do at wide receiver and McCaffrey's coming off a 450 touch season. Cowboys Eagles I think Dallas unravels and I think Philadelphia is just it's musical chairs with coordinators. Is there one that you adamantly disagree with?
- [52:06]
Bowen Yang
I, I largely agree with your trending up. I don't know about the Commanders though. Not sure. Dan Quinn had to basically gut his coaching staff old roster. I would swap out the commanders and put in the Cincinnati Bengals who get Joe Burrow hopefully for a full season and you know they're going to eclipse six wins. On the trending downside, I'm surprised you didn't have the Pittsburgh Steelers on there. I mean we've talked about them a lot.
- [52:27]
Matt Rogers
Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers.
- [52:29]
Colin Cowherd
Whoa.
- [52:30]
Bowen Yang
Is it going to be Rogers or.
- [52:31]
Matt Rogers
We don't know. So I'm waiting for that. Okay, so I think they could be a 10 win team. I think Mike McCarthy wins with B plus quarterbacks.
- [52:41]
Bowen Yang
So just again, I know we don't talk Houston Texans a lot on this show. Why are they trending downward? Remember Nico Collins missed the playoffs.
- [52:48]
Matt Rogers
They are last year 10 and 2 in Division 5 and 9 against playoff teams. They're just. I mean I love. I'm the C.J. stroud defender. He had not the same quarterback.
- [53:01]
Bowen Yang
That's. That's fair. They started 0 and 3. They had Stroud had a couple concussions. Nico Collins in and out but they got the quarterback on the rookie deal and that defense is all coming.
- [53:09]
Matt Rogers
How long are they going to have that quarterback on the rookie? They have big decisions to make.
- [53:13]
Bowen Yang
I think they got one more year before d' Ameco Ryan is on the hot seat again.
- [53:17]
Matt Rogers
I can like I like San Francisco, but 12 and 5 was shockingly effective.
- [53:22]
Bowen Yang
Got a couple big off season decisions. Juwan Jennings is a sneaky big one for them. I like him a lot.
- [53:27]
Matt Rogers
I don't even think it's sneaky. That's a big decision. Hour three.
- [53:35]
Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
During this season of the two five Rings Podcast, in the lead up to to The Milan Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi Bud.
- [54:17]
Matt Rogers
Hi Matt. Hey Elmo. Hey Matt. Hey Bowen.
- [54:21]
Bowen Yang
Hi Cookie.
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Matt Rogers
Hi. Now the Winter Olympic Games are underway and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to Two Guys Five Rings on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [54:39]
Bowen Yang
Over the last couple years, didn't we learn that the folding chair was invented by black people because of what happened in Alabama? This Black History Month, the podcast Selective Ignorance with Mandy B unpacks black history and culture with comedy, clarity and conversations that shake the status quo. The Crown act in New York was signed in July of 2019 and that is a bill that was passed to prohibit discrimination based on hairstyles associated with race. To hear this and more, listen to Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. From the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Matt Rogers
Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose Podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down.
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Bowen Yang
With Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar.
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Matt Rogers
I went blank. I hit a bad note. Then I couldn't kind of recover, and.
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Bowen Yang
I built up this idea that music.
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Matt Rogers
And being a musician was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was. If you took this thing away, who.
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Bowen Yang
Am I Listen to on purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.