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THE HERD - Hour 2 - NFL Week 13 Blazing 5, Joel Klatt talks Ohio State vs. Michigan, Thanksgiving Quarterback Tables
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Joel Klatt
Fire it up.
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Colin Cowherd
It's Collins. Blazing fire. Packers and Lions. Listen, two good teams. I'm going to take the home team on Thanksgiving. Historically, home teams do well. Lions minus two and a half is my side. They've won six of their last eight against Green Bay. They match up well. And since Dan Campbell took over play call. Detroit leads the NFL in the last three weeks in yards per play. It's a different offense with Dan. Their defense generally pretty good at home. The packers. Their three road wins have come against Arizona, Pittsburgh and the Giants. Let's slow down. But here's more troubling Jordan Love. Since Tucker Kraft got hurt. Fewer than 200 passing yards. The team's averaging 19 points. Two good teams. I'll take Detroit to win and cover 28 to 24. 49ers and Browns. I love this line. I'll take Cleveland plus six and a half. First of all, the Browns at home. Excellent defense and probably the most underrated roster in the league. Miles Garrett has 13 sacks the last month. No other player has more than 13 the entire season. Good luck Niners. Brock Purdy Multiple interceptions in four of his last five starts and it's going to be windy and snowy conditions. He has struggled with ball security in crappy weather. I also think this team is overly reliant on Christian McCaffrey. How much gas does Christian have in the tank? I think we saw enough from Shedeur. I'm going to take a close game either way. Let's say the Niners win late, but I like the points. 24:20 San Francisco takes six and a half. Saint said. Dolphins actually really like the Dolphins here. They're coming off a buy. They've won three out of their last four games. Credit Mike McDaniel they're playing hard. They're running the ball. Two of back to back games over 70% completion percentage. Miami got rid of their GM. They didn't lose their fight. They didn't lose their passion. The defense back to back games has played well. I like Miami a lot in this spot. New Orleans probably the worst offense in the league. Held under 20 points in six straight games. Again, smart offensive coach at home off a bye against a tire fire. I'm going to take the Dolphins to win and the Miami Dolphins playing pretty darn well to cover. 33 to 23 Cardinals at Buccaneers the Buck stops here. Tampa gets Bucky Irving and Chris Godwin back officially for multiple snaps. I like Tampa to winning cover. Listen, they're not playing well but they average 27 a game at home. And you know the losses were to Patriots, Bills, Rams, those are good teams. Bucky Irving's back. Chris Godwin played limited snaps last week. He's ready to go. And the Cardinals 1 and 8 since week three. Arizona's got some quit in them. We're scoring defense over the last three weeks. Not a lot here to like. Buccaneers easier opponent at home. Win and cover the spread. I like Tampa 27 to 20. Vikings at Seahawks the Lions the line now is not the best of the line. Nine and a half, ten and a half. I'll take Seattle. They've outgained ten straight opponents. They played like garbage in the second half. Defensively they still win last week against Tennessee. Fewest sacks allowed on offense so Brian Flores can blitz all he wants. They're a really high end offensive team with the force most sacks in the league. They're at home off kind of a cruddy defensive performance. The Vikings offense, most Turnovers in the NFL. They're starting an undrafted rookie. They've been held under 20 points in four of their last five games. There's nothing about Minnesota outside of their coaches that I really like right now. Seattle is going to win. It's in the Pacific Northwest, 30 to 13, actually. And I, and I don't, I shouldn't say this because twice this year I didn't love the numbers and went 4 and 1. I like, I like my picks. Lions, Dolphins, Seattle and Tampa as favorites. I'm going to take Cleveland plus the points. J. Max Grimacing will find his picks in about two hours. His picks in two hours. Joel Klatt will be calling Ohio State and Michigan Saturday at noon Eastern on Fox. So last year, even though I really admire Ryan Day and like him a lot, I think he's a great football coach. I did think he out thought the room. I think he'd been pushed around by Michigan. And in the Midwest there's a different kind of stylistic approach. And he's like, we're going to punch Michigan in the mouth. And it's like, just throw the ball. You got great players. Just, just play your game. And I think he played Michigan's game, you know, fooled around, played with his food a little bit and it caught him. They got a little tight late. I think if at least Carnell Tate can play. I think Ohio State is the significantly better team here. Do you believe that?
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Joel Klatt
Well, I mean, yes, they're the better team and that's why the spread is where it was. But they were, I would think, better by a wider margin a year ago. I mean, they were 20 point favorites a year ago, you know. So to your point, they got sucked into a game that was Michigan's game. I firmly believe, I think Will Howard got banged up early in that game last year. I, I firmly believe that, that Ryan and his coaching staff felt like a field goal would win the game because they didn't feel like Michigan with their quarterback play was going to be able to score on their defense. And so here's Ohio State. They get into the red zone five times last year and come away with 10 total points. That was the game. Two missed field goals, interception in the red zone. So those mistakes are what ultimately cost them the game. And they could have played the exact same style. Now, I think what they learned from that was what they then put into action for the playoff. And Colin, you and I both know that that Buckeye team in the playoff was a different team and they were aggressive down the Field. You look at what they did early in that game against Tennessee at home in the first round, they took shots to Jeremiah Smith. They used Smith early and often against Oregon where they were routing them in the first half of that Rose Bowl. And those are the lessons that I think need to come into play this week for Ohio State. Be themselves, attack, attack down the field. And obviously the health of those wide receivers is a bit in question. I remain optimistic that they'll both be on the field. I think their effectiveness is more the question than their availability. I think Smith will be on the field, I think Tate will be on the field. But are they 100%? Can they attack those safeties of Michigan down the field and cause them some level of threat? I think that's really where the game is won and lost for Ohio State.
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Colin Cowherd
So listen, I think Notre Dame is better than Miami now. And I think college football is about 30 to 35% NFL now. September just doesn't matter like it used to. I said this before the Ohio State, Texas game. If it's close, I don't care who wins. I said it about Oregon, Ohio State the year before. If it's close, it doesn't matter. It's. They scheduled it. I'm proud of both schools for scheduling it. You step up to the table. I love that. My biggest knock on college football has always been a lack of, of people willing to play. You know, go to Columbus out of conference. Yeah. Or go to Norman, Oklahoma. So like my feeling is Notre Dame is better than Miami today. And ugly losses are really. That's one thing that usually the people on these tables and these boards get right. You can't lose to unranked teams if you're a top 510 team. So I'm okay with a much improved team by an inch better than Miami. Miami starts to beat Pitt. But I know you are probably bothered deeply about the current rankings that has Notre Dame over them.
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Joel Klatt
I'm not bothered. I think, listen, I think that two things can be true at once. You know, if the committee's objective is just to give us the best teams and they ask themselves in the room who wins on a neutral site this week. Yeah, I'd pick Notre Dame.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
You know, so like, in that respect, do I disagree with the ranking? No. But the committee is setting themselves up for a bit of a trap. And that trap is the head to head matchup against Miami. Because if we're not honoring games on the field, then what are we doing, you know, then why are we playing them then? Let's just sit there and have a beauty pageant and, and look at the recruiting rankings and you know, look at the, the rosters and the way that they're constructed and how many stars each, you know, so I don't want to get into a beauty pageant either. There's also another trap that this committee is falling into and, and it's not honoring those non conference games that, that you just talked about. Now I do want to clarify just something really quickly because the Miami Notre Dame game is, is part of the ACC scheduling agreement that Notre Dame has. So that's a little bit out of their control. What I would say is, is more impressive is that they also scheduled Texas A and M. Well, you've got this team in Michigan that's sitting there at 15 and they're in like the bottom of the two lost teams and yet one of their losses is at Oklahoma. They scheduled that game, did not buy out of that game and played it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Joel Klatt
And, and the committee is not honoring that right now. I see. I think that they should view Michigan's resume more favorably because of that non conference matchup against Oklahoma. So the trap that the committee is setting themselves right now is if they're just going to go by eye test and say, well, who wins on a neutral site, you know, this weekend, then they're not going to honor head to head and they're also going to devalue non conference blue blood opponents which is bad for the sport. Sport moving forward.
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Colin Cowherd
Totally agree.
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Joel Klatt
It's, it's a tough, it's a tough position because again, I don't disagree with the ranking, but it, it also speaks to kind of the brokenness of the nature of this thing. I don't think that we should have a selection based playoff. I think we should have an access based playoff so we can remove some of this ambiguity and the problems that exist in trying to place and rank teams in this fashion.
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Colin Cowherd
So I try not to be a hypocrite and in my career as America's honesty broker, I have bounced around the country for better jobs. Okay? So I, I, so I'm not going to be a hypocrite when somebody is highly mobile in their career. So everybody's like, hey, Lane Kiffin is going to tarnish his reputation. His reputation has always been, you have a job, I'll travel, I'll, I'll, you can fire me in a tarmac, I'll leave you on one.
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Joel Klatt
I mean, he was fired on a tarmac.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
So my take is Brian Kelly never went to charm school. LSU's like, he's available. Let's go get him. College football has become more NFL. It's cutthroat. LSU is like, what do we care about Ole Miss? He's the best coach in the country. I don't think it hurts Lane Kiffin. I feel bad for Ole Miss because I really do think. I don't think they're as good as Ohio State. I think they could beat Oregon. I think they could beat Georgia. I think they could beat Indiana, maybe. So I'm more bothered that I. Selfishly, I want to see Ole Miss in the playoff with Kiffin because I think they can beat everybody except Ohio State. That's my problem, not the. Somebody wants me. I'm going to go.
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Joel Klatt
Okay, so there's, like, I think eight things that you just said that I disagree with. I'm trying to. I'm trying to remember all of them. Let me try my best. First of all, let me ask you a question. In all of your movement, and you did, you've moved around, you've worked at multiple networks and done different things, and more power to you. That agency is great for you and your family, and I don't begrudge that. Yeah. At any point did you leave in the middle of a contract?
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Colin Cowherd
I left early. And, yeah, I left six months early. I also started negotiating with another company, two companies, nine months before I was allowed to.
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Joel Klatt
Okay, so you're just revealing your character to all of America here. I would. I would say. I would say this about Lane. Lane has been given a lot of COVID and I like Lane. And he's very good for college football. He's great for college football.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Joel Klatt
And Colin, he is a very good coach. He's not one of the best coaches in America, though. He has not been to a playoff. He happens to be a big fish right now in a small pond, and it's advantageous for him because of that. There's big jobs open and a really weak class of coaches or pool of coaches that are candidates. Part of the reason why there is a weak pool of candidates is because there are other coaches that are unwilling to do what Lane is doing, which is leave a team in the middle of a playoff run. That cannot be overstated. You see, he's wanting to lament, and those that run cover for him, you know, want to. Want to lament the calendar. And while they are correct, the calendar is clearly broken. In college football, we do 30 minutes on the calendar right here. I agree with that. Take. The problem is, is that it's the Same calendar for Dan Lanning at Oregon. It's the same calendar for Kurt Signetti at Indiana and Mike Elko at Texas A and M and Rhett Lashley at smu. And yet they, with their agency, chose to stay where they're at, okay. And stay within their playoff run. And you could make a strong argument that Rhett Lashley and Kurt Signetti could be looking at their spots, Indiana and smu, and think to themselves, I tell you what, grass is probably greener at Florida or lsu. Meanwhile, Lane has turned Ole Miss into a premier program in the sec. I would make the argument he doesn't have to leave. This is not College football of 10 years ago where you have to be at one of three or four places in order to compete for and win a national championship. He doesn't have to leave. And my last point would just be, as a coach, when you stand in front of your players, your currency is your credibility, and your credibility with those players is tied directly to your character. The only thing they care about is how much you care about them. And if he does this and he leaves, which it looks like he's going to, it looks like he's going to lsu, he will destroy his credibility in front of what team that he stands in front of. Can he say, like, hey, commit to me and choose, you know, lay down yourself and let's commit to something bigger than ourselves and let's go achieve something great. In the back of their minds, they're going to be like, well, what if something better pops up for you, Lane? What if the Dallas Cowboys call? Are you going to leave us in the middle of a playoff run? Because he's the play caller at Ole Miss? He decimates that program and that offense and their opportunity to win at the top level if he leaves. So that's all I would say, is, listen, I like Lane. I think he's great for this sport. But this excuse that the calendar is forcing him into this decision is wrong. The calendar is the same for all the other coaches in the country which have said that they will stay and committed to the places that they've been in. He's doing a disservice to the players he's coaching now, currently. And I feel bad for him.
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Colin Cowherd
My only disagreement there is you say coaches stand in front of players and ask for commitment. No. In 2025, coaches stand in front of players with envelopes full of cash and hand it to. Because that's what the sport is.
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Joel Klatt
It has become more transactional. I will give you that. There it Is. And this is not an easy scenario. I will. I will give you that. But at the end of the day, you know, he's the one that has to stand and look in front of the mirror. And if he does this, by the way, he will be authoring one of what was now the 5 messiest exits in football coaching history. Al Davis with the overhead projector. Tennessee leaves in the middle of the night. They riot. They're burning couches, throwing them outside of the balconies tarmac at usc. Remember, Nick Saban didn't want to deal with Lane waffling back and forth about the FAU job, so he said beat it before the national championship game. Didn't even let him call plays in the national championship game.
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Colin Cowherd
So I don't like his.
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Joel Klatt
Has been a trend for him.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, no, it's. Listen, I, I've said I wouldn't do all this stuff. I. You know, I even have friends at the old place. Yeah, I don't like sloppy exits. I don't like it. But I think college football needs to create. I mean, you can't go rob the Chiefs of Andy Reid during the playoffs. College football has needed a czar.
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Joel Klatt
Oh, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
That's why.
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Joel Klatt
And that's why I started with that. Like, I agree, the calendar is broken. We need to fix that. There's no doubt. I just don't want that to run cover for what I feel like is a poor decision.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so let me defend Lincoln Riley first. If he beats UCLA and wins a bowl game, they go 11 and three losing. Two of their three losses are at Notre Dame and at Oregon. Hey, I'm sorry, but that's not a bad season. When they return, almost all of their top players. I mean, they really have a good recruiting class. Their O line, their D line come back if they beat UCLA should. And if they win a bowl game over a. Whoever, Utah, something like that. The downside is, I think I can also say this. Four years in, when they play the best teams, the special teams are often a disaster and the defense is mid. And I'm being kind with mid. What are they? And I just think four years in. Yeah, the offense was clever with Lincoln the first day he was there. That's never changed. But the defense and special teams in big games feels below average. What are they? Is that a fair criticism?
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Joel Klatt
I think it's totally fair. I think that they're better than what they were last year. Certainly they've gone from losing those close games to winning a lot of those close games. But at the Top end. They're not competing like you would hope they would compete when they face a team like Notre Dame or Oregon, you know, and I think they would lament not closing out that Illinois game, which they had the lead late in that Illinois game on the road and they couldn't stop the, they couldn't stop the run in that game. They've got to get better, more physical and more stout in the middle of their defense. The defensive line is young and will be better next year. They are very good. I think in the coming years on the defensive line, they've got to get better at linebacker and more stout.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they're weak, actually.
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Joel Klatt
That is a, an area of weakness that it has to turn around now with this number one recruiting class that they've got. I do still believe that that's an upward trajectory. They couldn't get to 11 wins. I don't believe they can get to nine potentially in the regular season. They could go nine and three and then maybe a 10th win in the bowl game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, my bad. I said 11. It's 10.
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Joel Klatt
I mean, but, but 10 wins to your point, like that's a huge mark of demarcation in college football. That still means something and certainly would mean progress at USC in particular with the class that they've got coming in next year. So I still believe that they're on an upward trajectory. But there are clear areas where if they don't fix, then this will continue to happen. If they don't, if they don't fix the interior of their defense in particular at linebacker, this will continue to happen. Because those teams that they're playing, the Michigan's, the Ohio, I know they beat Michigan, but Ohio State to the world, the Oregons of the world, those teams are elite and will be elite every single year.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. All right, good stuff. We always just listen. I know you can't make predictions. I think Ohio State 30 to 13 and I think if as long as one of them can play, one of their great receivers can play. I think this defense, I love Underwood, I love Marsh and I, you know, I was a big Harbaugh guy, but boy, this, I'm telling you right now that Julian sand doesn't make mistakes, doesn't. And that defense is, that is a top five college defense. You go back to Steve Bettman in Washington. Nick Saban had a defense in 2011.
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Joel Klatt
They were great in 2011. Yeah, Georgia in 21 was exceptional.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, this is an all time defense.
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Joel Klatt
Yep.
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Colin Cowherd
I can't wait.
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Joel Klatt
And I can't wait either. And by the way, it's supposed to be just like prototypical weather 30 with snow flurries. Let's go.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, by the way, I just want to make it clear, just because I left the other place early, I've changed. I am now only committed to Fox, iheart and Joel Clatt. That was the old.
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Joel Klatt
No, no, I disagree. I see you out there, you got other college football guys that you've got on whatever you're doing everywhere else, and I'm like, okay, I feel, you know, I feel a little cheated on Colin, I'll be honest.
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Colin Cowherd
But that's all right.
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Joel Klatt
That's all right. I know. I disagree. I can be disagreeable at times.
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Colin Cowherd
My favorite part of you, actually. Have a great, have a great time. I can't wait to watch.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving to you, your whole staff, everybody listening. I hope you guys have a great weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, it is. I mean, I get, I get Michigan, Ohio State in Ann Arbor. It's just, I mean, you know, rivalries. There's not that. I mean, the NFL is not a rivalry sport. I mean, Kansas City, Buffalo feels like something, but that's kind of quarterback led. I mean, 10 years ago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, I don't care. I mean baseball, Giants, Dodgers, nobody cares. Dodgers are global. Dodgers, Yankees feels big. Michigan, Ohio State, that is, that is goosebumps stuff. That is. I'm going to turn the, the air conditioning up at my house and put a jacket on so I feel like I'm there. I'm going to turn the temperature down in my house, like 41 degrees. I don't care if the dogs are upset. And I'm going to wear, I'm going to wear a hoodie. And just to feel like I'm there. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
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- [31:18]
Jason McIntyre
This is the Herdline news. I would. I would assume J.J. mcCarthy's probably eating with the dog outside, right? Something like that anyways. All right, let's get started with the Chiefs. They're playing on Thanksgiving. I did not know this. It's the first time in Patrick Mahomes career he will be playing on Thanksgiving. Casey visits Dallas. I got some fun stuff on this game. Later on. Colin in headlines. I think he'll be surprised. Mahomes is from Texas. He's gonna have a lot of friends and family at Jerry will probably looking to put on a show. Reportedly 50 people.
- [31:48]
Joel Klatt
Wow.
- [31:48]
Jason McIntyre
In the Mahomes orbit will be at the game. Here he is talking about the excited Thanksgiving game.
- [31:54]
Colin Cowherd
You grew up watching Thanksgiving games. No matter who you're a fan of.
- [31:58]
Joel Klatt
If it's the Lions, the Cowboys or whoever's playing at night, I mean, you.
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Colin Cowherd
Grew up watching those games. And so I think as a. That kid in me wants.
- [32:05]
Joel Klatt
Wants to be able to go out.
- [32:06]
Colin Cowherd
There and play on Thanksgiving and find a way to win. And obviously short week we're grinding in here right now and getting the whole game plan in and making sure everybody's prepared and ready to go. But I think we're excited to get to go out there and play on Thanksgiving against a really good football team and.
- [32:19]
Joel Klatt
And the whole world watching.
- [32:23]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it's a good game. I think you have one really, really good defense, one emerging defense, one excellent offense, and one offense that's pretty good at home, not as good in the road. I think it. I think it comes out. I think it's a very, very good football game. I. It's hard for me to take Kansas City. I think they're the better team, but it is hard for me to take them with the hook. Dallas home, getting the hook. I probably take the Cowboys again. I regretted not taking them against Philly because you talked me into it and I was gonna do it and it was the last game I dropped and I made a mistake.
- [32:58]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I don't think the Chiefs have won on the road since, like the Tyreek Hill era. They're really struggling on the road now. How about this, Colin, I give you a little teaser here. So I just looked at the chief schedule of the season. They have struggled on the road. Can you believe this is their first indoor game of the football season? First indoor game. On the fast track, we get finally Worthy. Rice could be so. So the over got. Got smashed earlier this week. I don't know where it is now, but I got 52. This could be one of these, like, Holy hell, it's 40, 37 kind of games because we haven't seen Worthy do anything recently. But then you look and they're like, oh, it's all outdoor games. He doesn't have that super edge. So I'm very excited for this gig. Next up, Colin. Listen, the Lane Kiffin saga. We followed this very closely. Yesterday, Urban Meyer stopped by and gave his opinion on what Lane Kiffin should do. Here's what he said.
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Colin Cowherd
This is unchartered waters, though.
- [33:53]
Joel Klatt
To leave a team that could potentially. And you tell me, other than Ohio State, maybe, and you have A and M, Ohio State, Indiana.
- [34:02]
Colin Cowherd
I'm telling you, Ole Miss is right there. How do you walk in that meeting and say, hey, guys, I'm not only.
- [34:07]
Joel Klatt
Leaving, I'm going to be playing you next year.
- [34:09]
Colin Cowherd
You know, I. I don't know.
- [34:14]
Jason McIntyre
Could take. So.
- [34:14]
Joel Klatt
So when.
- [34:15]
Jason McIntyre
When Signetti left JMU for Indiana, he brought all his guys with him. Yeah, all I keep hearing about lsu, you recruit, you get the best guys. Would Lane even bring his guys from Ole Miss or would he just go get five star guys.
- [34:28]
Colin Cowherd
I think he'd bring Ed Orgeron on as the. He would. As the defensive line coach or defensive coordinator. Yeah.
- [34:35]
Jason McIntyre
So I'll give my take. If they win this game, the Egg Bowl, I think he stays. If they lose, it makes it much easier to leave because they're not a lock for the playoff. Colin, if they lose this game and.
- [34:46]
Colin Cowherd
That game is a five, six point spread, I thought I saw seven.
- [34:49]
Jason McIntyre
Wow. Is it. Okay, maybe it's going down. But listen, you can't just walk in a stark Vegas and expect to get a dub on Black Friday. This is a tough one for Lane. I mean, listen, you've. You've jumped around. You keep talking about the old place, the mindset in the shows before you had a big decision to make. Because, I don't know, is Lane locked in this?
- [35:08]
Colin Cowherd
For me, it's always, is it good for the family? Is it good for the trajectory of the career? If it's too text, then it's gone. It is good for the career, good for the family. No, you know, usually family first. I say, Ann, are you willing? Okay. Is it good for the career? Boom. I mean, to me, that's. And this is a better job comes down to the family. I mean, that's. I'm not saying. I know I'm doing it right or wrong. I'm just saying nobody cares about. I'll be a legend at Ole Miss. That's not what people care about. That. I don't buy that.
- [35:40]
Jason McIntyre
So final question on this. Like, are you. I know you root for chaos. That's your phrase, right?
- [35:45]
Colin Cowherd
Interesting. What.
- [35:46]
Jason McIntyre
What are you rooting for here? What's the most interesting? Because I think we disagree.
- [35:50]
Colin Cowherd
I want Ole Miss to get to the national championship against Ohio State.
- [35:54]
Jason McIntyre
With Lane Kiffin or without?
- [35:55]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, with Lane Kiffin.
- [35:57]
Jason McIntyre
I'm rooting for him to stay. Also kind of a middle finger to lsu. You guys, you get your act together. No, thank you. I want no part of that final story. Colin, let's go back to Lamar Jackson and, you know, listen, the running numbers for this guy are staggering. It's almost like, is he old? And then you look at his age, you're like, he's not even close to 30. Colin, these numbers are really bad this season. In eight starts, he's averaging 29 rushing yards per game. Yeah, and he's getting sacked more. So is it less about he doesn't want to run and get hurt, or is he just not as fleet of foot as he used to be? Look, on the screen there. He was rarely getting sacked. He's not as elusive as he was before.
- [36:36]
Colin Cowherd
He is hurt and and players don't like to advertise they are hurt. Brock Purdy is not 100%. Those interceptions on Monday, those gate, those balls had no velocity at all. Brock's not going to go. Yeah, I'm not 100%. He's not that kind of kid. Either is Lamar. They're both Obviously Brock and Lamar are not at 100% and I'm a bigger Lamar fan than a Brock fan. But go watch the Brock purdy interceptions on YouTube. All of them are behind the receiver and hang in the air. He doesn't have a Josh Allen arm, but Brock's got a better arm than that. Brock's hurt.
- [37:12]
Jason McIntyre
So do you believe on Monday the take will be man, Ravens, they could not beat the Bengals. They couldn't get separation. They're out of the super bowl bubble or holy cow, the Ravens woke up. Lamar was just sandbagging everybody and the Ravens kind of put it on the Bengals.
- [37:28]
Colin Cowherd
I don't think they put it on him. I think it's a division game and I'll take, you know, 2620 or, or, or 2824. I would take the, I would take the dog. But I think it's a very competitive divisional game and I can't wait to watch Burrow play J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. There's all these young quarterbacks. There's Jackson Dart. There's Caleb Williams. There's Bo Nix. There's JJ McCarthy. There is Drake May. There is Bryce Young. There is Cam Ward. There Shadour Sanders. We all grow up eating the kids table. Are they ready on Thanksgiving to go to the adult table? We'll talk about that coming up. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific PCs powered by Snapdragon X Elite processors are made to go the distance with blazing fast performance, next level efficiency and multi day battery life. Snapdragon processors are built to tackle it all, from highlight reel editing to intense player research. So you can be at the top of your game wherever the day takes you. Learn more@snapdragon.com laptops Snapdragon the heart of your PC. Battery life varies significantly based on device settings, usage and other factors.
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- [40:29]
Colin Cowherd
Available at public.com disclosures Today's episode brought to you by a scent that's made a legendary comeback. Degree Original Cool Rush the OG is back and better than ever. Cool Rush isn't just a scent. It's a movement, a fan favorite kind of fragrance guys remember, ask for by name and rave about online. It's bold. It's fresh all day, sweat protection, cool crisp vibe that made it legendary. So whether you're heading to the gym, the office, or just trying to stay fresh all day long, Cool Rush has your back. It's the go to for millions and for good reason. So if you haven't tried it yet or you've been waiting for a sign, this is it. Head to your local Walmart target grab degree Cool Rush the fan favorite scent from the world's number one antiperspirant brand. I've always respected the grit, the discipline, the sacrifice. It's the stuff that makes great teams and great people. That's why I'm proud to talk about Green River Whiskey and their Salute to Service program. Earlier this year, Green river became the official bourbon of the U.S. army's 250th anniversary. And now they're honoring veterans and service members in a powerful way. Go to greenriverwhiskey.com Army Enter the name of somebody you want to honor. Green river will send a free custom label to put on your bottle of their army 250th bourbon. It's personal and it's meaningful. It's a great way to say thank you with a bottle that tells a story. So this Veterans Day and holiday season, celebrate with Green river to raise a glass to those who risk their life to serve this country. A product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Please drink responsibly.
- [41:59]
Jason McIntyre
Thanksgiving Day Fox is serving up a classic NFC north rivalry as Jordan Love and the packers take on Jared Goff and the Lions. Coverage begins at 11am Eastern with the pregame show live on location from Detroit. Thanksgiving day on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
NFL's always been, to me, the sport of hope. It takes a long time to go from a terrible baseball team to a World Series team. But in the NFL, you can be the New England Patriots like a hazmat spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Vrabel, Josh McGown. McGown and Josh McDaniel. Excuse me. All of a sudden, you're the number one seed. It's the. It's the sport of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator and the quarterback, right? And you are suddenly a Super bowl contender. But it's all centered. College football is about the coach. Pro football's about the quarterback. And we've got a lot of young quarterbacks. Thanksgiving's tomorrow. They all start week one in the NFL as rookies at the kids table till they graduate to the Stafford table or they. They graduate to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen table. So, J. Mac, let's determine kids table or adult table for these young signal callers.
- [43:18]
Jason McIntyre
All right, Colin, you ready for this? Here we go. Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table for Drake May?
- [43:26]
Colin Cowherd
He has already pivoted to the big quarterback table. Listen, he's better than even people who liked him thought. Leads the NFL in completion percentage at a remarkable 71%. Best record in the NFL. Already has well over 3,000 yards right now. He feels like a top six seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big, accurate winning.
- [43:52]
Jason McIntyre
So we're crowning him. Okay, I like it. All right, kids table or big quarterback table for Jackson Dart.
- [43:58]
Colin Cowherd
He's still at the kids table. J. Mac. In eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times. He's already you know, he leads quarterbacks in rush attempts, which I am a fan of. Young quarterbacks using their athletic ability and feet to move the chains as they grow. But right now, from the pocket. Still have my doubts. He's a risk taker. He moves well. A lot of confidence. Probably one more Thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a glass of wine.
- [44:30]
Jason McIntyre
All right, well, this one's going to divide the audience. Kids table or big quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.
- [44:39]
Colin Cowherd
He's at the big boy team.
- [44:41]
Jason McIntyre
Come on.
- [44:42]
Colin Cowherd
40 in November. One of three quarterbacks with 30 touchdown passes and 10 or fewer interceptions over the last two years. You want to hear the other ones? Stafford, Lamar and your guy, Jalen. Hurts. Caleb Williams is comfortably sitting next to Grandpa.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, my God, that is troubling. Kids table or big quarterback table for Bo Nicks, your other best friend.
- [45:06]
Colin Cowherd
Come on. Adult table. Not even. I mean, nine total touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Ranked second in the league. Leads the NFL with eight game winning drives. Last two seasons, top 10 in wins, passing yards, touchdown passes. I mean, come on. He's getting the leg.
- [45:31]
Jason McIntyre
You're the teacher. I. You're the teacher. I wish I had in like 11th grade biology. Kids table or big quarterback table for Bryce Young.
- [45:40]
Colin Cowherd
Too inconsistent. I'm sorry. You watched it Monday. He shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid, but you very early on, you were like. You were like. He doesn't look the part. 90 or worse passer rating in nine of his 11 starts. And I like his coach, Enrico Dowdle. He's got a couple of young but very talented wide receivers. Their defense is better, but he is 12 and 27 since he entered the league. Kids table.
- [46:07]
Jason McIntyre
Not great. We should probably skip this one, but we'll do it anyway. Kids table or big quarterback table for J.J. mcCarthy.
- [46:14]
Colin Cowherd
Well, in the second and third quarters this year, he has a 27 passer rating, so I don't even want to be mean. Kids table. In fact, the other kids. The other kids let him go first and pick. He's struggling. I feel bad for the kid. He's struggling.
- [46:28]
Jason McIntyre
It's early. He'll turn it around. Kids table or big quarterback table for Cam Ward.
- [46:34]
Colin Cowherd
I'm going to put him at the big boy table. Oh, I think he's. I think he's really talented. I think he's not getting any help. He's the most sacked quarterback. They fired their coach. Reminds me a lot of a less talented Chicago Bear mess. Last year the Bears had more players. I think. I think Cam Ward's good. Like last weekend, it's finally coming around. But last year, Caleb, everybody said he was terrible. 20 touchdowns, six picks. This is a multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks. Ran, he's growing on me now. I'm not saying he gets the stuffing last. He's not getting the mashed potatoes first at the adult table, but I'm gonna put him there. I think he's. I see. I see some potential stardom.
- [47:16]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I agree. Finally. Kids table or big quarterback table for Shadur Sanders?
- [47:23]
Colin Cowherd
Neither. We're putting him in a new table. The legendary table. Every quarterback.
- [47:33]
Jason McIntyre
Oh, wait, is that a high chair?
- [47:37]
Colin Cowherd
No, legendary. Hey, led the NFL last week. Yards per attempt.
- [47:45]
Jason McIntyre
Wow. Last week.
- [47:47]
Colin Cowherd
You know what? I took some. Some of the motif on his draft room. Legendary. I just moved it over to Thanksgiving.
- [47:53]
Jason McIntyre
Did you just use motif on a sports show? Oh, my gosh. Coward in his bag here. Listen. The Shador. The Shador Hive online is coming after you for this boy. Damn that.
- [48:04]
Colin Cowherd
I will say this.
- [48:06]
Joel Klatt
He's.
- [48:07]
Colin Cowherd
You know my rule on quarterbacks. If your college problem is your NFL problem, you're in trouble. Johnny Manziel ran around too much. You watch them in the pros, you're like, yeah, yeah, that. That stuff is not going to work. If Caleb Williams struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL, it's my only criticism of him. Gotta be a little bit more accurate.
- [48:28]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Does the legendary table eat before the kids table or.
- [48:30]
Colin Cowherd
No, you know, it's. It's somewhere in between. Okay, all right, all right.
- [48:35]
Joel Klatt
You could. They.
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Colin Cowherd
They do serve wine at the legendary table. Oh, really? Wine? All right. Not at the kids table. Okay, okay. All right. But here's what I'd say about Shador Sanders. The opposite is also true. When I watched him last week, I saw Colorado Shador and I thought Colorado Shedeur was a mid first, mid second round pick. He moves better than anybody gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a pocket quarterback.
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Sophie Cunningham
He.
- [49:01]
Colin Cowherd
He has a couple spin moves. He moves. He's not as quick to me as like Bo Nix. He's not quite that twitchy, but he's a good athlete. Yeah, he has a average to average. Plus arm, by the way, on the deep throws accurate. And it does help. I will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski, but one of the things, J. Mac, that you and I can't argue about. It has been a clear advantage to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie.
- [49:32]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [49:32]
Colin Cowherd
Bo Nix, Caleb Williams. Okay? Raheem Morris. That's who Mike Pennix gets right now.
- [49:38]
Joel Klatt
You can.
- [49:38]
Colin Cowherd
Oh yeah.
- [49:38]
Jason McIntyre
How could. Pennix is indeed. He's not even invited to Thanksgiving.
- [49:41]
Colin Cowherd
He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what to do with that.
- [49:43]
Jason McIntyre
So I need to ask you. So Bryce Young, who's in, you know, multiple years in the league couldn't do anything against a Robert Salah defense. If Shador goes out and has a passable game against Salah and the Niners then there's. People are going to freak out. People are gonna be like this is your starter next year. So just be ready for that because Sunday the slate is not great. All the good teams are fired on Thanksgiving day. So Shedeur could have a game against Salah at home. It's inclement weather so maybe that's, maybe that'll throw a wrinkle in that.
- [50:11]
Colin Cowherd
But yeah, I think, I think I feel like some of the Shador stuff is a little bit like Tebow. People are talking about conspiracy theories. He's got a very fanatical, you know, following. It's very tribal. The difference is I think Shador throws an NFL ball. I think, I think Tebow was always a little bit in terms of athletic ability, a little overstated. I think Shador's athletic ability is understated. And the other thing about Shador that I like, I think he's too goofy and playful for me. I wish he was a little more serious.
- [50:44]
Jason McIntyre
What is he 23 years old?
- [50:46]
Colin Cowherd
But we've always said it's not fair. But I do need my cornerbacks to be grown ups. I don't need, I don't care about any other position. There are certain things in life. If you're working in the ICU, in a hospital and you're 24, you can't be at senior Froggies the night before knocking down 12 tequilas. I need you to be a grown up. There are pilot. You can't be out at the bar night before if you're a 25 year old pilot. Pilot. Surgeons, quarterbacks. I'm sorry, it's unfair. You have to be more mature. That's part of it, right? Surgeon, pilot, quarterback.
- [51:19]
Jason McIntyre
So it's.
- [51:20]
Colin Cowherd
You have to be a different 24.
- [51:23]
Jason McIntyre
So two occupations that literally save lives and then a quarterback who throws a pig skin.
- [51:27]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah.
- [51:28]
Jason McIntyre
Okay. Makes sense.
- [51:29]
Colin Cowherd
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Sophie Cunningham
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Colin Cowherd
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