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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are struggling, more on The Tush Push, the Packers look great so far, Greg Cosell
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Greg Cosell
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Colin Cowherd
Life thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio and noon.
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Colin Cowherd
Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
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Colin Cowherd
Here we go, Hour two. It's a Thursday. Bills Dolphins. Tonight live it's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. 15 minutes. We all get smarter every week. J Mac out was talking about favorites this year and the disappearing middle class in the NFL which we've been on for three years. So big favorites this season, meaning you're favored by four points or more. I think a big favorite six, six and a half or more but team is favored by four plus points or more are not only 12 and oh, they're winning by 12 and a half points. They're averaging 29 points a game and allowing 17. Meaning you get more blowouts. So you're getting more blowouts because there's a bigger gap in the schedule now tonight I think it's going to be one of those blowouts. I mean games that I'm almost guaranteed are going to be close. Rams, Eagles will be really, really close. Yep. Texans, Jags will be close. I'd be surprised if Steelers, Patriots, Colts, Titans aren't close. Denver Chargers will be very competitive.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
It's the NFL. Every game feels close.
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Colin Cowherd
I will say this, I do not get the Bears and the Cowboys is basically a pick them that I don't get.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
You haven't touched on Falcons, Panthers. That's a good game on Fox. I'm loaded up on one side in that one. Think we'll be talking about it on Friday.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm sure the audience is waiting with bainted breath.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Hey, come on, let's. Atlanta's good. Atlanta. Or by the way, is Atlanta in your upper class or are they middle class?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, can let's let Pennix have 10 stars.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
I think he barely has enough starts and you put him in the upper crust.
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Colin Cowherd
Who's that?
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Bo Nicks. He's been awful so far through two days.
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Colin Cowherd
He has 20 NFL starts and he made the playoffs as a rookie in a division with Herbert and Mahomes. He's fine.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Chargers, Chargers this week.
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Colin Cowherd
That, that.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
How about. How good is that game in the division?
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Colin Cowherd
Very good. 46 years. NFL Films joins us 25 times a year minimum at this time. Okay. You know, it's interesting. A lot of times coaches send messages. They go to the podium every week on Wednesday and they, you know, they have a message for the team. And Ben Johnson this week is saying I am seeing a lot of improvement with Caleb Williams. I didn't see it. What Mr. Cosell, what did the film say? Did you see a progressive growth with Caleb Williams week one to week two?
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Greg Cosell
You know, I thought in the first half, Colin, that there was. That he was better because the key thing is being decisive. They want him to drop back and get rid of the football. Want him to get stuck in the pocket So I thought in the first half, when theoretically it was still somewhat of a game, I thought that he was much more decisive in what he saw and he delivered the football as the game progressed. And unfortunately, you never want to be in this situation with a young quarterback and certainly not Caleb Williams at this point in his growth. He had to drop back and throw on every snap. And that's where, you know, some of the warts that he has right now come out. And, you know, one of the things is in the NFL, and we've talked about this, and the more you throw, the more it shows up, is for quarterbacks who are not used to the NFL and pressure.
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Colin Cowherd
What's.
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Greg Cosell
What's pressure and what's not pressure in the NFL? They start to move when they don't need to move. They move prematurely and they move unnecessarily. And that's true. I've noticed that with Caleb Williams at times. It's true with Cam Ward. It's just something you have to learn by playing as to what really is pressure and what's really not pressure by NFL standards.
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Colin Cowherd
So JJ McCarthy is young, fewer starts than Caleb bank up again. I think he feels a little overwhelmed. I've said before, Michael panics, I don't have a lot of starts, but boy, he looks comfortable, gets the ball, gets rid of it. JJ looks hesitant. 7 of 8 quarters I've watched him. He looks a bit overwhelmed. What does the film say? Are there open receivers he's not seeing? What's it say?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, you know, I'm always leery of after two games, this is what I would expect from J.J. mcCarthy. I don't know how you felt about him coming out. I mean, I studied him in detail in Michigan. I personally in my evaluation did not feel he was a first round type quarterback. So I'm not surprised that it would take him more time. I know for a fact that they had to rework a lot of his footwork and a lot on his drop, which was not very good at Michigan. It was a problem that he had. And then you wonder, can that be fixed? I think they're working on that and it's a work in progress. So he needs a lot more time. And then don't forget a lot of young quarterbacks. Then it becomes a function of team as well. Can they run the ball? Can they manage him to an extent where they can be proactive in how they use him as opposed to having to be reactive? In other words, having him have to throw too many times in given games so it'll take some time with J.J. mcCarthy. Obviously he'll be out for who knows how long. But I mean, I think they're pretty much committed to him. It's not as if they're not going to play him when he gets healthy.
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Colin Cowherd
I want to ask you about two Miami right now has some cultural issues, some personnel issues, and who knows what's going to happen. But they've moved off coaches, they moved off Brian Flores, they'd move off Mike McDaniel. They always say you can lose games, don't lose the locker room. And there's certainly an argument the latter is happening. If somebody took over the Miami Dolphins and put in the tape on Tua and you didn't know anything about Tua, you knew that he was a little smaller, didn't have a huge arm. Is is his lack of higher level success, Is it lack of O line protection, personnel issues? When you put in the tape on Tua, is there a comp? What do you see?
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Greg Cosell
There's no mystery to what Tua is. Colin Everybody knows he's a pure timing and rhythm player that is extremely accurate. So everything about the way in which he plays has to be based on that. He's narrow in that regard. He can't do much. Bey so when it looks good, depending on who the opponent is, depending on a number of factors, he can look really, really good and their offense can be really explosive. And by the way, that can happen against any given opponent. So you know, obviously they're playing tonight against a good Bills team. The assumption is they'll get blown out. But any given opponent where he can play with timing and rhythm and get the ball out in windows, he's a very good window thrower between the numbers. That's his game. But that's all his game is. There's not much more beyond that. So you have to decide. Look, last week two things really stood out in the tape. Number one, 37 drop backs, 12 carries for backs. They can't play that way. Tua needs a run game to be the foundation. And Mike Vrabel on that staff in New England, they played him to what he is. They only rushed five two times on his 37 drop backs because they wanted seven in coverage to minimize the windows. That's what you have to do when you play Tua. You've got to minimize the windows.
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Colin Cowherd
We look at the tonight the Bills are favored by a couple of touchdowns and should be. We look at Buffalo and you said this last week, you said their run game is more fundamentally important and better than people give it credit for. So tell me, when you watch film, you said that. And so I looked for this past week, even though it was a blowout early, what does the run game provide to Josh Allen? That without a run game, what are the advantages he gains from it?
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Greg Cosell
Well, every quarterback gains from a run game. And then now you're getting into multiple issues. What personnel do you put out on the field? They like to put out a lot of base personnel groupings. They did that this past week and there are very multiple run game as well. And James Cook, despite his size, is actually a very tough, physical inside runner. He gets hard earned yards. So a run game is critical. You know, it's funny, I watched that tape and I came away thinking to myself, this was a great game for Josh Allen because he plays in four days and it didn't seem like he exerted any energy in that game. It didn't seem like he had much to do. So, you know, a run game always helps a quarterback. So I think, look, we know Josh Allen, when necessary, can put on the Superman cape as he did week one in the fourth quarter of that game against Baltimore. But the way they played last week, and granted, they got ahead early and there was clearly a sense they were going to control the game, which they did. But I think they want to play with a run game. They don't want to just be a passing team. And it's funny, I said, watching that tape to one of my guys in the office day, I said, you know, Josh Allen, he's not really a gunslinger anymore unless the game demands it. You know, he doesn't play that way as his natural state, which is the way he sort of played three, four years ago. Now he's very much a piece of an offense and if demanded, he can do special things. But he doesn't play like that as his natural state.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So one of the reasons I picked the Seahawks to make the playoffs and I thought Sam Darnold would would work, is that when Sam has a run game and can throw it 28 times or fewer and does not have to get into track meets, and I think this team's defensive structure, I said, Sam is going to be asked to do two or three WoW plays, and he's really talented. But I think, and I think that's really the key. That's why in Minnesota with Brian Flores, he didn't have to win a shootout every week. In New York, when you're saving the franchise, he's like Gino. You ask him to throw 40 times you're going to get two or three picks. So what does the tape say so far with Sam? I think Seattle fits his strengths.
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Greg Cosell
Well, it's funny you say that because what they did, and it's only two weeks, so you don't know if this is something that will be a trend or not, but what they did last week against Pittsburgh was something I haven't seen very much in the league. They had 64 offensive snaps. Colin 45 of them came out of base personnel. They did not play many snaps with three wide receivers on the field at all. So they had a lot of tight formations. They tried to run the ball. Walker had some good success. Charbonnet didn't have any success. But that's, I think, the way they want to play under Clint Kubiak. They know what Darnold is. They love the fact that he was so efficient in the play action pass game under center a year ago in Minnesota. They like their offense to look like that. And I agree with you. And by the way, how many quarterbacks do you think realistically can line up and throw it 40, 45 times a week and really be good? That's a hard thing to do in this league. And by the way, it's very hard on your O line no matter how good it is.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, there's a number with Dak who's having, who's going to have, with three different coaches, be highly productive. If he throws over 40 times, Dax numbers plummet, his win percentage plummets. It's. The reality is, at any given time in my Life, there's about three quarterbacks, maybe four that you feel comfortable throwing 40 times a game. It's really, really hard. Okay.
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Greg Cosell
It's. It's hard to do.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Eagles, Chiefs. Listen, we know Kansas City's issues. They're not very gifted. Until Xavier Worthy and Rasheed Rice get back on the perimeter, there's a way you can defend them. Now, did Philadelphia use any secret sauce, any deception, or was it just mano a mano? We have better defensive players than you do offensive players.
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Greg Cosell
Well, it's funny because about a quarter into that tape I said to myself, wow, Vic Fangio has taken a totally different approach than he did in the Super Bowl. In the super bowl, they did not rush five one time and they literally played zone in a quarter structure, four across on the back end. On almost every play in this game last week, they blitzed quite a bit, a high percentage for Vic Fangio. And they played a lot more man coverage. So he came with a Totally different defensive tactical approach. So it's not one thing. But I will say this. I think there is a sense and it could be a function of the receivers, but I think there's a sense right now among teams that what you want to do with Patrick Mahomes in the pass game is really clog the middle of the field and make him work outside. Now he's capable, obviously he's capable of making any throw. That's not the point. But he doesn't make a lot of throws outside the numbers unless it's vertical throws. So they're going to have to figure out a way. Andy Reid, Kafka, they're going to have to figure out, not Kafka, Matt Nagy, they're going to have to figure out a way to work outside the numbers in, in kind of a short to intermediate pass game.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's interesting. It feels like the Tush push means even more this year. Through two games, Jalen Hurts has attempted more Tush pushes than throws of 10 yards plus down the field. They're not throwing the ball down the field.
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Greg Cosell
No, they're not.
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Colin Cowherd
They're not. Like, and I think to myself, how sustainable is it? But it does. I mean, I mean, I look at it what they are. I said this Monday on the show, in my life, there has never been a quarterback in a team that is better at getting 1, 2 or 3 yards. They are now. They don't throw over the top. There's things they're not great at. But if you need 1, 2 or 3 yards, that's as good as the Chiefs in their dynasty, the Niners in their dynasty, the Steelers in their dynasty. Does the offense concern you? Because it just doesn't throw the ball down the field at all.
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Greg Cosell
Yes, now it does. I think they will. But I think the larger point about the Tush push, because there's been so much talk about it, obviously this week, is not the Tush push itself. It's the fact. How many times they're in situations to deploy the Tush push, that's the larger question. That's the big deal. Because, and we've discussed this, when it's third and seven or third and eight for the Eagles offense, they don't necessarily have to throw the ball, Colin. And now it changes the way defenses have to play because in the NFL, third and seven is 100% pretty much a passing down. Correct. But the Eagles don't view it that way because if they get to 4th and 2 and they're at the 50 yard line going in, they're going to go for it. So it's how often they get to those short yardage situations that they're able to go for it. That's really the bigger issue than the fact that they convert on the tush push.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so I want to go back. I asked you about Caleb and J.J. now I want to go to a quarterback that's got far more starts than jj. I want to talk Drake May because they host the Steelers this week.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And they. And they won a big game last week. So I think both of us like Drake May out of college. I did a lot. I thought he was a less polished Justin Herbert. He hadn't started as many games.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought he was Justin Herbert, but probably a year and a half to two years behind him in terms of snaps and polish. Okay. So he wins a game. It's Miami in September. That's always been tough on Belichick and Brady struggle down early in the season. Are you. Are you seeing a jump from last year to this year from Drake May?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah. And I think one thing you really want to keep seeing. He did it last week. Is just the ball placement. When he places the ball. Well, he's really, really. And I think it's another example, and we've talked about this, of scheme and play calling helping him. Early in that game, they called some plays that were really scheme. Really strong from a scheme perspective. They had a drag wheel throwback to Hooper. They had a great third down call because they knew they were going to get man coverage where he hit Henderson on a wheel route out of the backfield to the right. They're really helping him with what they're calling to define reads and throws for him. But the one thing that really stands out to me as well, he's very poised and very calm in the way in which he plays. There's no freneticism to him. And he's got, you know, he's obviously got athleticism to him. Yeah. It's funny you mentioned the size comparing him to Herbert. I got a chance to stand next to him at the combine, and he's a big dude now. And, you know, you almost lose sight of how big some of these quarterbacks are because there's a lot more smaller quarterbacks. But I stood next to Caleb Williams and Drake May. Caleb Williams looked like a high school kid and Drake May looked like a really big dude.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I want to get in. I have said the first two weeks of the year that the packers are the best team I'VE seen I'm trusting my eyes. I think they're the fastest team offensively. I think they're so fast, everybody runs. Love the running back, the tight ends.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
The receivers. They got eight, nine guys that can really run. But it's interesting with their defense. I compared it to when you were in college and you had a really big, strong football player. Buddy. You always felt a little more courageous going to the bar and have enough flirting. So there is something about Micah that has elevated his teammates. It's almost as if his teammates know they're going to get more space, that he's going to create disruptions. I feel like he's elevating other players on the defense. Maybe they're playing with more energy. Maybe it's because they have fewer snaps. The offense is more productive. But there is something. When I watch the Packers, I'm like, they're more aggressive than last year. They feel more aggressive. What does the film say?
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Greg Cosell
Well, it's funny you say that because in this last game, which was Thursday night last week, so it feels like a long time ago, you know, they're getting Edger and Cooper now more involved in their rushes. So they're showing some more five man fronts. And when you show a five man front, the way offenses almost always protect is what they call five, zero protection, meaning five on five. So that gives Micah theoretically a one on. So they're going to do more and more of that and then see how offenses react to that. They had a sack last week, it was a Cooper Parsons split sack where they did just that and they stunted away from Micah with the loop and then he was one on one with the right tackle, Connerly, and he just ate him up. But they're also so good, Halfley, and this to me is coaching. He is so good with his late coverage rotation. In other words, he changes the picture pre snap to post snap. And he's not just moving one or two guys, Colin, he's moving five guys on defense. That's coaching. Because if one guy makes a mistake, you know what happens. So they are really good now with their pressure schemes and they're really good on the back end with all this late coverage rotation. Changing the picture.
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Colin Cowherd
Jordan Love, first of all, you, you kind of taught me this. Traits, his traits, size, arm strength, athletic ability, toughness. His traits are excellent. But you look at film and you look at beyond traits pre snap, how is he handling blitz packages? He. You know what I look at? He just looks very comfortable. That's what my eyes tell me. Now, some of it could be good coaching and lots of weapons. But what does the film say?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, and I think that that happens over time. You know, we spoke about Josh Allen a little earlier, how he's not really a gunslinger in the way he plays. I think you see every once in a while, still with love, that's just kind of who he is. But I think as he plays more, you'll see less of that and he'll play the game within the game, so to speak. But Also, I think LaFleur does such a good job with how they construct that offense and how he goes about. You know, he comes from the Shanahan school, so for him it's not just individual plays, Colin, it's how you put plays together, what you do in the first quarter, how that affects the second quarter and the third quarter and the fourth quarter. And there was an unbelievable example of that in the game against Washington last week. And these were back to back plays. And on one play they come out with what we call 13 personnel, one back, three tight ends. So they saw exactly how the commanders responded to that with their personnel. Okay. And then on the very next play, they came out in the same 13 personnel. And that's our big play if we want to go to it right now, because this is really the way to go. Let's go. It's go with it. This was the craft 57 yard completion. And that's what they did, is they basically showed 13 personnel, saw what they were going to get from a defensive personnel perspective. And then LaFleur called this play and we're going to break it down here because this is really, really good stuff. I mean, this is why I love watching tape. Colin, this is a lot of fun. So you're going to see this is 13 personnel, three tight ends. There's Kraft because he's the guy who catches the ball. So what did they get? They got three linebackers, base personnel on the defense, but not only that, they got three safeties. Okay, so there's only going to be one corner on the field and that corner is down below at the bottom of the screen. So they got three linebackers and three safeties versus their 13 personnel, which they knew they were going to get from the play before. So they put the rookie Savion Williams now in motion across the formation. So what does that lead to? It's something that we call four strong, meaning four receivers to one side of the formation. That's what you're going to get here as we freeze it when Williams gets over There. There's now four receivers to one side, but remember, the corner didn't go with him, so the corner is all the way on the other side of the field. So now you're going to run four routes, Colin. Four routes, okay, against two linebackers and two safeties. This is exactly what you want. These guys are not great coverage people, okay? Particularly the linebackers. And what they're going to run now is a three man vertical concept. That's the route concept here. It's going to be a three man vertical concept. You're going to see Williams run deep on the outside. You're going to see that's actually Musgrave, the other tight end there on that side. He's going to run the deep over in the middle of the field, and then Kraft is going to run the seam. So now you get three vertical routes. There's no corner involved in this coverage at all. So here's what you get. So now you're going to see that that's Bobby Wagner. He's probably a Hall of Famer, so he now gets his eyes on Kraft. But let's see how all this really plays out, because this is really good stuff. You're going to see Williams, he's going to lift the safety to the top of the screen. You're going to see Musgrave run right at the deep safety. And you're going to see now the back expands into the flat, so the other linebacker goes with him. So what do you end up with? You end up with Wagner, who has to match Kraft, But Wagner's uncertain of what to do, and he's a veteran, as I said, probably a Hall of Famer. So he gets lost. So you end up with just a great concept. Colin, you probably could have made that throw. The concept was so good. So, you know, that's what you get. This is what play calling is all about to me. And this is how you structure offense and you structure with the use of personnel formations, motion, and you create. This is what I mean when I always say you define a read and a throw for a quarterback. You can't do it any better than that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And they also have so much speed offensively that when they get you in space, they're a problem, even if you do read the play. And at that point, the commanders did not. Greg Cosell on a Thursday, as always, good seeing you.
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Greg Cosell
Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean, Green Bay's got everything humming. Play, design, speed, everybody can run. And defensively, and again, we know head coaches matter. Jeff Halfley how many times have we talked about their defensive coordinator? Coordinators matter. Robert Sal and the Niners defense last year was a mess. They lose Greenlaw Hufunga. They're better. Why? It just matters. It's like having a good mentor, a good a good professor, a good high school teacher. The quality matters. And Green Bay right now the best team I've seen in the league. Both sides coaching staff run it, throw it, play. And they're built to play from behind. I just don't think they're going to have to. That's one thing I don't think Philadelphia is built to play. From 10 points down, 7 minutes left. Green Bay is. That's another reason why I think right now they're the best team in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Urban Meyer shows up next hour checking on that weather. J. Mac, I know there's torrential downpours. You gotta be careful driving home.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Yeah, I'm not worried about the weather right now. A couple other things on my mind.
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Colin Cowherd
Right now J Mac with the news.
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Greg Cosell
No, no, no, no, turn on the news.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
This is the Herdline news and one of the things I'm worried about is the Philadelphia Eagles offense because, Colin, I I do believe with like you said for most of this show today, that other than the Tush push, they don't really have much going for them. Sure they're 2 0, but Philly is 29th in yards per game.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Jalen Hurts has only completed three passes of 10 yards or more. Again, like, I don't think it's a huge deal yet, but it's going to be. Hertz addressed the lackluster offense.
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Jalen Hurts
I take accountability for a lot of it and just how we go out there because that's my job. My job to go out there and be the general, orchestrate everything and ultimately make plays. And you know, given the opportunities we had, you know, I'm very critical of myself of trying to make the most of what's given to us. And so there's definitely some evolution that we can do. There's definitely some things that we can grow in, but I look inward on all of those things and just want to make the most of the opportunities that we do have.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
So let me ask you this, Colin. Local media is asking the Eagles about this. National media like us is talking about this. Fans are talking about this. The other coaches around the league are talking about the Tush push. I wonder, do you think this makes Philly more or less likely to come out with a different look Sunday than they've had the first two weeks? Are they going to be just chucking and ducking? Like, do you expect change from Philly?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, if they look at the film of Stafford and Puka and Devonte Adams and their difficulty at one of their corner spots, I think Nick Sarianis and his staff realize we're gonna have to score some points here. The Rams will move the football. I think that's pretty obvious. So my take is Philadelphia probably works to some degree. I mean, they did get the ball more to A.J. brown. It's just they were all underneath throws. So they, they. It's not that they are ignoring A.J. brown. They're just not throwing the ball deep. And I don't think Jalen Hurts is an elite pocket guy. I don't think he's built the play from behind. There are some guys who I don't want running, but I love in the pocket. Baker Mayfield. I love when Baker just plants his foot and throws. I think Michael Penix early. Oh, I like that guy from the pocket. Hurts is a guy that I like moving. I. The Tush push, the RPO stuff, get rid of it quickly. I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence. They throw to the tight end a lot. For smaller quarterbacks, that's an easier target to see underneath six, six tight end. So I just think. I think they don't have to play much from behind, but I don't think they're necessarily built for it.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Goddard trending toward returning this week. That would be a good get back for the Eagles. Obviously. You know, we're at a time right now in football where everybody thinks they have all the answers. They know what's going to happen.
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Greg Cosell
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
You hear?
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
I mean, everybody and their mom is a gambling analyst. I'm still surprised. This is three and a half. Colin, I'm missing something here. Maybe the Eagles trampled him. Maybe it's McVeigh struggles against the Eagles and the offense can't do much. But what am I missing? Why are we getting offered the Hook here. Shouldn't this just be three?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think the Rams have had offensive line issues a little bit. I think there's a feeling that Stafford will be under pressure. Everything points to me to either a Rams win or Rams close. So again, this is one of those lines that was an easy one. There's only about one or two a week that I look at and I thought Dallas is pick em against Chicago. That doesn't feel right. And the Rams getting the hook against Philadelphia, that didn't feel right.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So I mean every. I just. I'm with you. It just. I think we're gonna have a really close game. Probably low scoring because the Eagles don't throw it downfield and the Rams defense puts pressure on everybody. Yeah, I think it's a. And I've always told you when I think it's a low scoring, close game, take the hook.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Okay. I'll get the social guys to flag it. But over, under half a penalty on tush push plays for the Eagles.
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Colin Cowherd
Over. There'll be one.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
How about five?
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Greg Cosell
What?
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Over. Under one and a half under. Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Because I think this, I think the Eagles have spent time this week getting it right as well.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
The league is going to be looking closely. Just. Just trust me, given what happened against the Chiefs. Next up, Colin. Let's go to Monday Night Football. Really good matchup. Lions head to Baltimore to take on Lamar. Detroit embarrassed the bears in week two, dropped a 50 burger. Ravens rookie safety Malachi Starks knows that the defense needs to be on their A game, saying the Lions are versatile, they're elite. We have to be on our P's and Q's. I didn't know Malachi Starks was speaking in like 70s talk. That's like what my parents said. Your P's and Q's. I haven't heard anybody say that, Norm, lately. This line keeps coming down. A lot of money on the Lions, Colin. I don't know about that. Yeah, I like Baltimore here.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, is there a team and I don't have this in front of me. Has any team had more blowout wins in the last three years than the Ravens at home? And I mean against good teams.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Well, maybe the Lions at home. I mean, they bludgeon folks in the dome. In the dome.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I. And I think Jared Goff has never quite been as effective either. Cold weather, outdoors, road. I. This thing just screams Ravens.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Yeah. And by the way. Yeah. I think you pointed this out. The Browns versus the Ravens. The Browns like out game Baltimore. That was like weird it was like 13, 3 in the third quarter.
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Colin Cowherd
Think a lot of what makes Baltimore so effective is they have big play capability. Lamar, Derrick, Henry, Zay Flowers. So it's not necessarily with Baltimore, always ball control. I mean, you know, Josh Allen has some of this. Sometimes, you know, you look up and Josh Allen just makes a play. So I, I think, I think I don't worry too much about that. Over the course of a season, they'll win time of possession and yardage games. But, but Baltimore, I, I just think it's a bit. It's a madness. There's another number here. NFC teams against Lamar Jackson have been dreadful. Yeah. So it just. The numbers tell you. Take the Ravens.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Yep. Final story Con. Let's go to. Yes, the Atlanta Falcons. I love getting these guys in the show because they break my heart every freaking Sunday. So they got the win over the Vikings Sunday night. Really nice for us. Bijan Robinson cooked. He is second in the NFL with 146 yards from scrimmage per game. And Raheem Morris, his coach, made it clear he loves his star running back.
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Raheem Morris
He's definitely the best player in football. Like, in my head, I don't care. He's unbelievable. Like, I love the kid. I love everything about him. I love watching him with the ball. I love his confidence. I love his, his demeanor. I love his mindset. I love the, the leadership. I love everything about him. And, like, you know, it is what it is. I love the kid.
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Colin Cowherd
I was told in the draft before he came out, I think I said.
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Colin Cowherd
He literally didn't have a flaw. He was Ladanian Tomlinson. Good leader, good kid. Could run, could block, could catch. He was, I was told by an executive in the NFL, they said, you don't get. He goes, I wouldn't take him number one because of his position. He goes, he's literally a flawless player. Character, leadership, toughness, everything. And, you know, think about this, too. Nobody wants to draft a running back.
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Colin Cowherd
Let's go look at the guys who have been drafted recently in the first round. Jameer Gibbs, Bijan Robinson, Saquon Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, Adrian Peterson. You know, when you do take a running back early now, late first round is no man's land. That's a graveyard for all picks. Kansas City took a, you know, Isaiah Pacheco late, didn't work out. But if you take a running back in the top 15 picks, they mostly become stars in this league.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
I think Pacheco was seventh, but I think Clyde Edwards. Hilarious.
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Colin Cowherd
No, you're right. You're right. My bad.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
You named a lot of good running backs. Who went first? Early first. Ashton Genti went to the Raiders.
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Colin Cowherd
I think he's going to be fine.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Are you sure?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Two weeks. Besides fantasy owners being upset, Colin, he's at like three yards of carry. And I'm being completely honest. I know we got some Raiders fans on staff. He does not move like Bijan Robinson when Robinson hits those holes.
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Greg Cosell
Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
No, Bijan B. John came in a flawless player against elite competition. Bijan also, that was a much stronger draft. So, I mean, Bijan, you could argue if Bijan would have been in this draft. There's an argument he would have been the number one player taken. But. But Genti was in a much weaker draft where people saw him as a top eight prospect. Bijan. Bijan was seen as a flawless. I mean, we worried about Ashton Genti, his size, his competition. Bijan had no flaws.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Yeah, he's really good.
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Colin Cowherd
His first year, the big knock was they wouldn't give him the ball enough.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
How about this one on Fox? Falcons, Panthers. Listen, I. I'm that guy who bets the Falcons every week. You know, I'm pot committed to them. I will buy you a jet Ski if they're the number one seed in the NFC because that's how loaded I am. I love them this weekend. I mean, I'm sure you see you look at injury reports. The Panthers could be down four offensive linemen and the Falcons all of a sudden have a pass rush because they drafted two guys and picked up Leonard Floyd. I like the Falcons a lot here. Colin, I'm interested. This team is interesting with Pennix. Bijan, I'm not giving.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm not giving you all my picks on Thursday.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Oh, my bad.
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Greg Cosell
All right.
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Colin Cowherd
You want me to just hand over my hand?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. I like Atlanta, too. I've just lost a small fortune through the years betting him.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Also true.
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Colin Cowherd
J. Mac with the news.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by.
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Colin Cowherd
The Herd line Urban Meyers around the corner as well. It's the Herd.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I was just thinking about this J Mac so maybe it's just easier to draft defense. It's just easier to find a game wrecker and a play Rocker than somebody that fits into a great scheme. I'll give you an example if you go look at Brady in New England. His last year in New England, he was 12 and 4, but it was mostly because of the defense. Belichick could still get the defense right, the offense. They had no receivers his last couple years, and then. And then when he left, their offense got even worse. If you look at Kansas City right now, their defense is fine. The problem is they can't find a running back. They can't get a receiver that can stay on the field. They can't necessarily find a replacement for Travis Kelsey. And once again, they're o lines in a rebuild is that it's probably just harder to draft offense than it is defense. I mean, before Bo Nix was great, they got the defense figured out in Denver and Sean Payton's an offensive guy. So, like Franklin, this year for the Broncos is really good, but last year was a little lost. And it usually takes tight ends. Warren's already really good for the Colts, but it usually takes tight ends like a second year to develop wide receivers. Brady and Aaron Rodgers, as they got older, really struggled with young receivers, learning the system. So, I mean, it's very obvious. Greg Cosell talked about this. When you play Kansas City, did you have to worry. You don't have to worry about the perimeter. That's where they've struggled. That's why they keep bringing juju, Smith, Schuster back. That's why they keep bringing guys back. Here's Greg Cosell on what the Eagles did defensively against Mahomes in this game last week.
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Greg Cosell
They blitzed quite a bit, a high percentage for Vic Fangio, and they played a lot more man coverage. So he came with a totally different defensive tactical approach. So it's not one thing. There is a sense and it could be a function of the receivers, but I think there's a sense right now among teams that what you want to do with Patrick Mahomes and the pass game is really clog the middle of the field and make him work outside.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, look at the New York Giants. They've had good defensive personnel for several years. They can't get the offense right. Even when they get the left tackle right, he's always hurt. Look at the Jets. Jets have excellent defensive players. It's been the offensive line, the quarterback spot. They can't get that right. Can't find anybody beyond Garrett Wilson. I mean, you look around the NFL, the Chicago Bears have played defense before. It's usually the quarterback in the offensive line. Chicago struggles With. It's just, it looks like now there are some teams where I think the defensive personnel, I think the Colts offensive personnel is actually better than their defense. They just, they don't have a superstar quarterback. But it may be, it just may be easier to find the game wrecker than the playmaker is because in on offense, everything has to fit with your coach and your quarterback. You may get a really good receiver, but he doesn't necessarily. He, he, he can't. You know, he's young. It took Quentin Johnson. Look at the receiver. J. Mac, look at the receiver for the Chargers. He is now emerging in year three. You're like, okay, the light finally is on for Quentin Johnson. First year, he looked like a bust. Last year he couldn't catch. Let's get the hands like a defensive guy. You come into the NFL, blow stuff up, you know, just, just, just blow stuff up. Play fast. And I mean, Akib Talib. One time I asked him about this, I said, you, when you went from like Denver to New England, was it hard? Second practice, I knew what Belichick wanted. No off Edelman took four years to work himself into Brady and he's a, he's a all time postseason stud. Aqib Talib told me, end of the second practice, he goes, yeah, it was really easy defense. So I think when I look at Mahomes and I look at Brady, it's hard to work with those guys. They don't, they demand a lot from their linemen, their backs, tight ends and receivers.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
All right, so I'm just thinking out loud here, listening to. You haven't done a ton of research on this, but it almost sounds like what you're saying is for defense, it's easier to draft because it's C ball, tackle ball, chase ball.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
But on offense, not everybody's twitched up and can get open. Maybe for offense, when you're drafting receivers, you draft for the scheme. Kyle Shanahan, Juwan Jennings, seventh round pick. That guy looks like a stud. Right. You know, if you get the guy who can. It's more about the scheme than the guy like Josh McDaniels would turn.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Edelman, Wes Welker, Chris Hogan, a lacrosse player.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
You could just scheme them open.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
But defensively, you need to find guys who can make plays.
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Greg Cosell
Huh?
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Colin Cowherd
It's very rare in the NFL when you draft a guy and you're like, man, he is unblockable. It works.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Okay, So I just.
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Colin Cowherd
In any scheme, Mike is going to work in any scheme. Aaron Donald works in any scheme. But you can have again, you can have a receiver who's the fastest guy on the team but if the quarterback doesn't trust him. Quentin Johnson, first two years he had the drops, I mean they just. Justin Herbert didn't trust him in big spots.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
But Keenan Allen was a third round pick. He is an elite receiver. That guy's a stud. He didn't go early. I'm on Ross St. Brown who you love.
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Colin Cowherd
Pooka Nuku a fifth round.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
Yeah. By the way, was Amon Ross St. Brown incredible at usc?
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Colin Cowherd
He was really really good. But again it just. He was really, really good. He was a great high school player but he kind of plateaued at usc. But he was always a hard worker. Dad was like a bodybuilder. He always ran great routes. He was always a smart kid that you like. He squeezed every ounce of his talent. I didn't think he'd be nearly that good in the NFL.
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Jason McIntyre (J Mac)
You know what else he was? He's always wide open in the Ben Johnson scheme. I mean he's just running around open everywhere.
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