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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Patrick Mahomes is a complete QB, Caleb Williams' recent play, ranking NFL QBs, Greg Cosell
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
I missed like 14 shots.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, get back my brother and LeBron. Everybody get back. Great night. Austin Reeves, all right, with that 46 years working at NFL Films. He is always our Thursday encyclopedia. Greg Cosell is now joining us. All right, let's, let's, let's dive into Kansas City and Buffalo. So you know players who don't necessarily work in other places, Hollywood, Brown or don't work to the level juju, Smith, Schuster, that do in Kansas City we've talked about. Is it just Andy, is it Mahomes? But I think Rasheed Rice is a one and I think Worthy is a two. But they do a really good job of making everything kind of work right. Like they just find a play. I mean, Sky Moore has a wide open touchdown in the Super Bowl. I look at their, I look at their receiving room and I'm like, man, there's a lot of different types and sizes. What do you see right now with Kansas City's offense?
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Greg Cosell
I think a lot goes into that, Colin, as it often does with good quarterbacks, Great quarterbacks. Mahomes is one of the most fascinating quarterbacks that I think I've studied in all my years evaluating quarterbacks. And it's the reason why there were some people when he came out of college were uncertain as to what he would be as a pro. But the more and more you watch him, I don't think we've ever seen a quarterback with his spatial awareness and his vision. There's a term that I've heard called fighter pilot's vision. And he kind of has that. He may be, have the, may have the best spatial awareness and fighter pilot's vision that we've ever seen. And it's just remarkable the way, I mean, the second half of the game the other night on Monday night was really all of him making improvisational second reaction plays. That wasn't a second half of playing within structure. Their best in structure play came in the first half when he hit Kelsey on one of their staple flood concepts for I think 30 plus yards. But he just has an unbelievable knack for making these plays. Now. He'll leave throws on the field and then he'll run around and make a play. And it's just those are the kinds of things when you watch him, you go, I wonder how they deal with that. Do they just say, great play, Patrick, or do they say, hey, we had this play design and you didn't throw it. And you know, next time throw it. I don't know how they deal with that. But he just has an Uncanny ability that is arguably the best we've ever seen.
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Colin Cowherd
How does Buffalo's offense match up with Spags and the Chiefs defense?
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Greg Cosell
I tell you, Buffalo's offense the last number of weeks has not been a great watch. And I'm just being honest, based purely on tape study, I don't think, and I'm not saying this sarcastically, the way they've been playing, I don't think they can beat this defense, this chief's defense, running the ball the way they have. I'm not saying they shouldn't run it, but running the ball with that kind of production success and throwing tunnel screens and five yard passes. Josh Allen, the last couple of weeks has not looked like the Josh Allen were used to. Now he's been leaving the pocket prematurely. He's making too many plays, random improvisations, and when they don't work, you end up short circuiting your offense. So I think Josh Allen has to get back to playing much more the way he did last year where he was much more calmer, much more composed. This was not a very good game for him this past week, but they didn't need it. He's going to have to play well. And history suggests, Colin, in this matchup that he's going to have to drop back 40 times. I mean, that's the way this matchup has gone. They played nine times over what, the last four years? And Josh Allen has been great in almost all of those games, but he's thrown the ball probably at least 30 plus times in every one of those games and I would not expect this game to be any different.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, I watched the packers and the Steelers. Let's talk. For the last four to five years, Pittsburgh's defense has been the most expensive. But in the second half against Seattle, in the second half against Green Bay, against Joe Flacco, I'm left wondering. They're not even a good tackling team at times. My take is it scheme, is it coaching, is it personnel? What is wrong with Pittsburgh's defense?
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Greg Cosell
I think you're dealing with two things when it comes to the pass defense. Because they give up the most passing yards in the NFL. People probably thought the Cowboys, but it's actually the Steelers. And I think they're struggling with lack of pass rush, which would be a surprise. And combine that with lack of quality corner play right now. And when you have a lack of pass rush and a lack of quality corner play, you've got an issue. And that's what the, the main problem is right now. And obviously they, they've just come off a game playing against Jordan Love and, and Jordan Love, he's become a joy to watch because there's now a controlled efficiency column to the way in which he plays. I mean, he was a guy that was reckless a bit at times through his first two years. I'm sure he will be at times just because he's capable of making those kinds of plays. But now there's kind of a controlled efficiency to the way in which he plays. There's a calculation he's taking the throws that are there rather than chasing plays and that just helps your offense stay on schedule. And you and I both know that Matt LaFleur at his core would like to run the ball. And when it's first and 10 and they show you a six yard completion, now Jordan Love is taking the six yard completion and it's second and four and now Matt LaFleur can run the ball. So he's really allowing Matt LaFleur's offense to really flourish the way they want it to be.
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Colin Cowherd
So I, I, I, I want to talk about the Ravens, but before I talk strictly about the Ravens tonight, I want to talk about Caleb against the Ravens. So it was interesting. It was one of my blazing five picks and when I told, when I was told Lamar wasn't going to play, my take is, well, it's in Baltimore. It's an NFC team. Caleb has been outside of the opening drive a little erratic. I think Baltimore can beat him. What did the tape say? All these years doing it on Caleb against a finely healthier Ravens defense.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, I thought actually Caleb showed some positive signs in this game. I think there'll still be uneven moments and ups and downs, but I think, and again, this is what I look for when I watch Caleb. I look for playing with excellent timing and rhythm within structure because that's really what the Ben Johnson offense is. And Caleb at his core is not a true natural timing anticipation player. So it's going to be baby steps. And I think there were some signs of positive plays this week. Some snapshots where I said as I was watching the tape, that's pretty good. Now a lot of people are probably going to look at the interception, which he was late with that throw. He was late by two beats. It was a bad decision, but also a Dunze ran a really bad route. He drifted rather than flattened and he made it easy for the corner Wiggins to undercut it. But I thought there were some positive signs this week and we'll see. It's going to be a process Colin, and I think you almost have to accept that Caleb Williams is really in his rookie season, not in his second season.
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Colin Cowherd
Baltimore's defense is healthy. What do you see positively from that?
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Greg Cosell
I love the way they're using Kyle Hamilton now. He's back being kind of their slot overhang, multi dimensional player. They use him as a blitzer, they line him up on the ball, off the ball. He's used on stunts as both a looper and a picker. I mean, to me, he's. He's really in many ways, the key to what they're doing right now. And I tell you, the rookie from Marshall Green, he's getting a ton of snaps on the edge and he's showing up. But to me, it's Kyle Hamilton who is really the main guy right now. He's such a unique player, and there's more and more guys actually coming into the league like that. Seattle has one in Nick Imanwari, who's basically the same size as Kyle Hamilton and being deployed by Mike McDonald, who obviously had Kyle Hamilton a few years ago. But Kyle Hamilton, to me, really stands out. When you watch the tape of the. Of the Ravens defense.
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Colin Cowherd
So this isn't great for AJ Brown, but he doesn't play. And the Eagles offense is humming now. I love devonte Smith. I mean, I listen. They have really good personnel. But I've said this before, he's not necessarily an adversary, but there are players that. There are wide receivers and quarterbacks or wide receivers that are loaners or kind of guys on an island that don't fit a particular scheme. And when I think of the Eagles, I always think of the tush push, which is an ugly collective. You know, it's two yards. It's ugly, it's inartistic. A.J. brown's beautiful. He goes deep. He makes the great cash. You know, so does he. Does he fit perfectly? Why were they so successful last week without him?
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Greg Cosell
Well, I would say this last week they were back to the template of the way they performed last season when they won the Super Bowl. Keep in mind that this team operates best when the run game is the foundation. And Jalen Hurts dropped back, drops back less than 30 times. That was the profile a week ago. They got the run game going. They rushed for 276 yards. Now, you're not going to rush for 276 every week. But the point is, the run game was the guiding foundation of how they played. I keep reminding people that last year during the super bowl season, Jalen Hurts threw for less than 200 yards nine or 10 times. Jalen Hurts is a phenomenal player in terms of he never turns it over. And they're phenomenal in the red zone, of which Jalen Hurts is a major factor. They have the highest red zone touchdown efficiency percentage in the league right now and they don't get there as much as a lot of teams, but when they get there, they score. So they're at their best when they play a certain way and that way does not really detail Jalen hurts dropping back 40 or 45 times. So there are going to be games in which AJ Brown does not necessarily get a lot of targets. This is just who the Eagles are on offense and when it works, they're really, really good at it. But it's not built on dropping back and throwing the ball.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's interesting. I know Shane Steichen's a great coach and Daniel Jones is having a wonderful year and Jonathan Taylor's always been good, but we don't talk offensive lines. And it was about, I don't remember when the game was five, five weeks ago. Whenever it was they played den, they played Denver and I, that's when I came out and said, folks, the Colts O line is, is in that Detroit Philly space like they are pushing people around how when you watch the offense, who are you going to give credit to? Because I mean the Rams beat them, but actually Indy had them beat.
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Greg Cosell
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
What do you make of their offense?
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Greg Cosell
Well, you're right about the O line and I'm not an O line, you know, guru by any means, Colin. But when I watched Quentin Nelson get out and pull, I mean I think there's two guys you watch pull in this league get out front in Trent Williams and Quentin Nelson and you go, oh my God, how can people that big move like that, you know? But I think where they're so, so good. And this is Shane Steichen and I'm sure it's his influence is on first down. I mean, we all think about Jonathan Taylor, right? Isn't he the guy you think of when you think of their offense? But right now, through eight weeks, Daniel Jones has far and away the most first down passing yards of any quarterback in the league. And I'm not sure people would think that way about this offense. They think about Jonathan Taylor, by the way, he's terrific on first down too. But Daniel Jones with the schematics of this pass game on first down, they've allowed Daniel Jones to really flourish because the reads and the throws are defined. It's always been the Best down to throw on first down. And they are really maximizing their ability. They've gained the most yards total on first down by a wide margin.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's interesting. I like the Texans to beat the Niners. Last week, one of them was health. But I said this. When I watch CJ Stroud and you give him just that extra beat, I love, I love what the ball looks like coming out of his hands. It's beautiful. It really is. It just flies out of his hands. It's got juice. It's accurate. And what did you make of his performance against the Niners?
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, and he doesn't need to step into his throws to throw a beautiful ball, which is a really good thing. I thought last week he looked to me like he did as a rookie when we all thought that he was on his way to being, you know, maybe a top five quarterback in the league. And last year was very uneven and through the first six, seven weeks, this season was very uneven. Now, granted he played against a defense that couldn't rush the quarterback particularly well, but he also made some very good throws in this game where the pocket was squeezed and he was under pressure. So this was the game where I, you know, and again, we don't know what's going to happen this week. Obviously, they play a very tough defense in the Broncos, so you just don't know. But this was a game where you said if he can get back to playing like this, then the Texans really have a chance to get back. And I want to show you a play, if we can get to our play from last week that I think really speaks to how well he played. If we could use this one play as kind of a microcosm of how he played last week. It was the 30 yard touchdown to Xavier Hutchinson. And there's some really nice elements to this play, particularly with how they designed it and with Stroud. Now it's third down, obviously. So third down is a money down. So now you're going to see Stroud in the gun and what they are going to do is they're going to take Braxton Berrios and he's going to go in what we call short burst motion outside. So they know with that motion that they're going to get man, the corner bumps out and you're going to see that they're going to get the matchup to the trip side there. It's going to be man coverage. It will end up being cover one because the safety to the short side of the field is going to end up Rotating into the post and he's going to be the post safety in cover one. So now what are they running as a route concept? We're going to focus on two guys, Wayne and Hutchinson, and they're going to run a concept that's in everybody's playbook. It's double dig. It's a very common route concept. Now the 49ers on this particular play and they did this throughout the game because they couldn't generate any pressure. They rushed six here and the reason they rush six is because they know the back is going to have to end up being part of the protection because of the six man pressure. So they're still playing cover one though. So they're rushing six. So now what you end up with is Hutchinson. He's matched on his safety. So this is what you wanted. You wanted this matchup and they got it. And this is a beautiful throw. But now we're going to take a look at this Colin from behind Stroud, because you're going to see just what I mean about being able to throw from squeezed pockets and how good a throw this is. This is Mikel Williams, who's a stand up rusher here and he's going to get inside and he's going to get in Stroud's face. I mean, you talked about him, the way he can throw the ball. He doesn't even need to step into this at all. And you can see the matchup. And what makes this even more special is he really has to throw this to a spot. He has to throw this with anticipation. Right now he can't wait for the receiver, then it's too late. So he's throwing this to a spot and you'll see the pressure that Williams puts on him. This is big time NFL quarterbacking right here. And by the way, this is the kind of player Stroud has to be because even though he's not a statue, you and I both know Colin, at his core he's a pocket player. You know, if he's going to be a great quarterback in this league, it's going to have to be from the pocket.
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Colin Cowherd
Greg Cosell, 46 years at NFL Films. As always, Greg, great stuff.
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Greg Cosell
Thanks, Colin. Really appreciate it.
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Colin Cowherd
What's interesting about CJ Stroud, when he came out his comp was Jared Goff. And then we watched him against, he was like George and he ran a little bit and we're like Jared Goff with some wiggle. It's kind of what he is. It's. He throws absolutely one of the Best. I mean Stafford throws the prettiest ball in the league. I think C.J. stroud, Herbert Burrow when he's healthy are right behind him. Jared Goff. But when you watch sometimes it just looks different with the great ones. Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino. It looked different. When CJ Stroud can plant and not even plant, it looks different. I thought I was saying about the kid from Alabama, Ty Simpson. I don't see juice. It doesn't fly out. It doesn't look different. Drake May ball looks different. It just comes out tight, low velocity, accurate. It's hard to explain. It's. It's the.
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Greg Cosell
It.
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Colin Cowherd
It just looks different. J. Mac did you notice what he said about the Buffalo Bills matchup against Kansas City? I'm not very aware.
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J. Mac
Yes. Yes. Can we rescind our bet on the bill? No, no, no. I. I still like it. Interesting on Stroud. So when he has time to plant and throw great. Niners have no pass rush without Huff and Bosa. Denver has the most highest pressure rate in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Yeah.
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J. Mac
So is he gonna have time to throw?
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Colin Cowherd
It's a stay away game for me. I want to watch it. I don't have a. I don't have a strong feeling. I had a strong feeling last week. I like Houston over Niners don't have a strong.
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J. Mac
I was with you. It's funny, there's a couple go either way games. I put Colts, Steelers in that because just the history of Pittsburgh at home. But other than that it seems like blowout city across the board. Rams, Packers, Chargers, all huge favorite Lions. Have you seen that line? I mean Vikings offensive line is in shambles. I mean it seems like it's going to be blowouts or really close nip and tuck games. Makes it tough for the gamblers. Colin?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think and I said this last year, last year was the first time that I remember that the bottom of the NFL felt like the bottom of the NBA. Is that by two months in you're like it's not really competitive. And I think there's a couple reasons for this. Number one is the league has become so quarterback reliant if you don't have one, it is ugly fast. And the other reason is because all the owners now are billionaires instead of hundred millionaires. And they are much more willing to blow up a staff at a moment's notice. And so you're getting these revolving doors and these turn styles in the front office. I mean it's not. I mean think about this Kansas City and Detroit and, and. And the Rams and Green Bay, you kind of know who's in the front office. They'll make an occasional defensive coordinator change. The only team in this league that makes a lot of moves and is good is Philadelphia.
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Katie Couric
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
They tend to be they'll move off a quarterback. They'll. They do things that bad organizations do. But they are so well owned and so smartly run that it's okay for them. But general and there's a lot of noise around the Eagles, you know, like good teams, there's not a lot of noise. I mean, you live in Los Angeles, you can't see Rams players. They hide. You just don't. It's not a thing. And so the best teams are usually a little quiet. They keep their GMs, they keep their scouting directors, they keep their coordinators. But it's just I feel the same way the last two weeks. I don't generally like taking favorites. I'm having to talk myself in to the Washington Commanders on Sunday night. I'm having to talk myself into it because I'm not going to take five favorites.
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J. Mac
Well, what about the Bears? Your Bears, by the way, they may face Jake Browning instead of Joe Flacco. I don't know if you saw that news. Joe Flacco's got an AC joint spraying and Jake Browning make up under center.
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Colin Cowherd
Aren't the Bears a slight favorite?
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J. Mac
Bears are a favorite, but that's going to go up. Remember, Jamar Chase was like ticked off playing with Jake Browning. Flacco comes in, he's getting 19 targets a game. So yeah, Bears all of a sudden look interesting. I think you're right about the quarterbacks, man, and we're going to find out. Can JJ McCarthy play? We may find that out against Aiden Hutchinson at Company Sunday. I don't know the answer.
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Colin Cowherd
Good stuff. Diana Rossini joins us last hour. One more herd.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
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Katie Couric
B r-I k.com on the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress, and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnout. So people are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
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Katie Couric
His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
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Colin Cowherd
Does that sound like a radical idea? Is that too far left for you?
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Katie Couric
Okay, okay, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.
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Colin Cowherd
To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.
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Katie Couric
Open your free iHeartRadio app search next Question with Katie Couric. And listen now.
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J. Mac
You know the shade is always shadiest right here.
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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
And you know, we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday, I was going through a walk in my neighborhood. Out of the blue, I see this huge sign next to somebody's house.
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J. Mac
Okay, the sign says, my neighbor is a Karen.
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Colin Cowherd
No way.
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Molly Lambert
I died laughing.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm like, I have to know.
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J. Mac
You are lying.
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Colin Cowherd
Humongous, y'. All.
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J. Mac
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, with so many surprises in October, Toronto Blue Jays heading back to Canada. Three, two, lead all the Dodgers. 100 million dollar bats have dried up in the last two games. Here's J. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
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J. Mac
This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start with our very own Tom Brady. Friend of the show, obviously announcer here at Fox. He, he put together a weekly power rankings. And wouldn't you believe it, he's got an eye on Jordan Love as an MVP dark horse. Tom Brady. Here he is talking about Jordan Love.
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Greg Cosell
Pittsburgh is one of the toughest places.
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Colin Cowherd
To play in the NFL, and Green.
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Greg Cosell
Bay trail most of the game before.
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Colin Cowherd
A monster fourth quarter.
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Greg Cosell
That's the kind of calm under pressure that I like to see from a young quarterback who might be starting to ascend this season. Keep an eye on Jordan loves a.
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Colin Cowherd
Dark horse in the MVP race. Yeah, I don't know if it's a dark horse now. I think, I think, you know, he.
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J. Mac
Might win the damn thing.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I think he's really good. I think he, I think it's obvious now he had such a weird. First of all, we didn't watch him in college, unlike a lot of the guys.
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J. Mac
Oh, you weren't watching Utah State come.
- [30:47]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, so we didn't watch him in college. Then he didn't play for three years. You couldn't get video on. And his first five or six games, Matt LaFleur called him out at the podium. And then he's very good in the last seven or eight games. And then the next year he gets hurt. And so we kind of came into this year, it was like the old joke about is Joe Flacco elite? And you don't really know. Listen, turn the sound down. And I do this all the time. Turn this sound down and watch Jordan Love. Movement, arm accuracy, confidence. He's just, I mean, it's really weird. I was thinking about this the other day. You start listing the 10 best quarterbacks in the league. We have so many good quarterbacks now. I don't even know where to put Sam Darnold. Where do I put Baker Mayfield? Where do I put Dak Prescott? All of them to me are below Jordan Love. I think he's just younger, healthier. I think he's got to equal the arm. I think he moves better than most. What do you do with Daniel Jones now? What do you do with CJ Stroud? The quality of quarterback play now, I don't even think it's a slight. You could put Jordan Love at like nine and he is an MVP favorite, you know, after the weekend. Like, it's just so good right now.
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J. Mac
So, you know, we've talked about this, the MVP discussion nationally, on radio, podcast, tv. It's kind of weak. Brady makes a good point here. Love is plus 1800 right now. That's actually a smart bet and I'm going to tell you why. The packers, if they win the nfc, Colin get the number one seed. He's going to be either the winner or the runner up. That's how it works. The media votes for the quarterback on the best or second best team in the league. How about this one? Are you ready? Week 17, Green Bay packers host the Baltimore Ravens.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's good.
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J. Mac
That could be for the MVP. If Jordan Love wins that game in Week 17, it's probably going to be flexed to Sunday Night Football. That will be for the mvp. Now, Lamar may not be able to win it because he's missed some games, but Jordan Love puts up four touchdowns on the Ravens defense and they win and lock up the number one.
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Colin Cowherd
You know what?
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J. Mac
I'm telling you, Jordan loves winning the mvp.
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Colin Cowherd
I think he's in that scenario, obviously. Think about this. Think about the packers have hit on three straight superstar quarterbacks. Did they get them from Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame? They got them from Southern Miss, Cal and Utah State. That is doing your homework. Think about that. That's their three star. They didn't go to usc. They didn't go to lsu, Southern Miss, Cal and Utah State. Okay?
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Podcast Announcer
That.
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Colin Cowherd
That is knowing what you're doing.
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Molly Lambert
Do you remember?
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J. Mac
Actually, I don't know if you've seen this. So some meatball put together online a list of quarterbacks that the packers have had the last 30 years and then the rest of the division and the lions have like 25 quarterbacks. The Vikings have like 30. It's hysterical. The packers have three. That's it for 30 years.
- [33:40]
Colin Cowherd
Why? Why is the guy who did that a Meat.
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J. Mac
Well, you know, he's trying to make some point about the packers. And I like making fun of people online who are anonymous because they usually come after me. Final note. Do you remember Brock Purdy was playing for the MVP two years ago against Lamar? I think it was Christmas night. Do you remember that game? Purdy had four picks. You came on here and savaged him and he lost the MVP that night. He was right there. I think he ended up third behind Dak and Lamar, but that's how it's going to work. Jordan love a good bet, I think, for mvp. Next up, Colin. Let's go to the Minnesota Vikings. They are trying to avoid a third straight loss. Man, that Chargers game was bad last Thursday. JJ McCarthy is back at full health. The ankle's all good. He's going to start against the Lions.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm fascinated. I know what he is.
- [34:23]
J. Mac
He feels confident his ankle heading into Sunday.
- [34:27]
Colin Cowherd
Everything in my past, you know, how I went about things, it was always like, if I felt, you know, 10%.
- [34:32]
Greg Cosell
15%, I was going to go out.
- [34:33]
Colin Cowherd
There and give it my all. But understanding, you know, how this league works and, you know, how everything operates.
- [34:39]
Greg Cosell
I was just listening, you know, to.
- [34:40]
Colin Cowherd
My trainers and Coach o' Connell and.
- [34:42]
Greg Cosell
You know, obeying orders at the end of the day.
- [34:44]
Colin Cowherd
But I think it was the smartest thing possible. And I feel great. I feel like myself again. Feel like I, you know, have those mobility things that I was concerned about, you know, going into last week, in the prior weeks. So, yeah, ready to go. For the record, we always root for quarterbacks on this show because the quality of play is better and because the guys get hurt all the time. I am hoping this is a 28, 27 shootout. I don't care who wins. I want to see the by. Kevin o' Connell is too good of a coach to be scrambling to find like Shane Steichen with Anthony Richardson, you're like, this guy's too good of a coach. Give him somebody he can elevate. I want to see J.J. mcCarthy flourish this weekend. I don't know if he will, but playing, you know, Detroit at home is a track team. But I'm rooting for him, not rooting against him. The league, that one o' clock window on Sunday, I can only take so many bad quarterbacks.
- [35:37]
J. Mac
So I'm looking at the injury report we're waiting for today. But the offensive line for the Vikings is one to watch. Colin, if they don't have it against Hutchinson and McNeil, they're in trouble. And I this Is there's a lot of noise or do you pay attention to the Vikings? There's a lot of people right now kind of upset with Kevin o', Connell, who apparently was ready for sainthood before the season. And now it's like, hold up, hold up. You guys had Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold on the roster. They're both going to the playoffs and we're stuck with McCarthy and broken Carson Wentz. So there are people like upset right now with the Vikings. I don't totally get it because I believe in o'.
- [36:13]
Greg Cosell
Connell.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, okay, just. It just a reminder. It's hard. Everybody, everybody wanted Chris Ballard fired last year, the gm. And then you watch him now with a competent quarterback and you're like, God, they're mauling good teams. They're dominant because they've been drafting well. They just couldn't find the quarterback. Kevin O' Connell is a great top 10 coach. Agree. You don't get the quarterback right, everybody looks dumb in the organization. Everybody. Kevin Stevenski is a great coach. They can't get the quarterback right. So I might take on all this stuff. Is Kevin Stefanski, Kevin o'. Connell. I said this before. I can love a company but not love the current stock price. I can love a coach don't like his current quarterback or situation. Kevin o' Connell's great. Stefanski's great. They don't have their guy yet.
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J. Mac
Final story. Colin is another one of your favorites. We love to talk about guys you like on this show. Drake May. What a season he's having. 6 and 2. He's really cooking on the deep ball. One of the best deep ball throwers in the league this season. Now, as I keep pointing out, they are beating some of the cellar dwellers around the NFL. Here's Falcons DC Jeff Ulbricht, who, by the way, was with the jets last year and knows a little bit about Drake. Maybe here he is talking about a.
- [37:26]
Colin Cowherd
Tremendous challenge being in the AFC east for four years.
- [37:30]
Greg Cosell
Got very familiar with Drake, especially the last couple, and he's way better than.
- [37:36]
Colin Cowherd
I wanted him to be. He feels like a mini Josh Allen, like a younger Josh Allen in a lot of ways. His mobility, his arm strength, the way he can take a game over with both facets of the game.
- [37:47]
Greg Cosell
So he's going to be.
- [37:49]
Colin Cowherd
He's a problem.
- [37:50]
J. Mac
Now, before you scoff at the mini Josh Allen comment, our crack staff put together a matchup of Drake Mays first 20 starts against Josh Allen's. Are you ready, Colin?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I can guarantee it.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
- [38:03]
Colin Cowherd
Drake Mays are better. Yeah, it doesn't shock me at all. I mean, well, he came from a better conference, he had better competition, he was a more refined project prospect. So it doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I don't think it's crazy. I think Drake May is going to be a multiple time Pro Bowler. Doesn't surprise me. I think he's Justin Herbert, east coast version.
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J. Mac
That's not bad. You know a saying I like Colin. So I remember I was higher on May than Daniels coming out of the draft and I was, I looked wrong, but I wasn't wrong. I was just early. Drake May is legit and frankly, he's having as good a season now as Jaden Daniels had last year.
- [38:38]
Colin Cowherd
And he's a bigger guy that gets hurt less and that matters.
- [38:40]
J. Mac
That's why a lot of concussion 10, three times this season. So we gotta gotta button that up.
- [38:45]
Colin Cowherd
These young guys don't know how to slide. Drake May last week. Week brutal. Like dude slide practice. Tom Brady used to practice getting sacked. It's not asking much that Drake May practices how to slide. It's not a big ask or you're gonna get hurt. J. Maclean News. Okay, well that's the news and thanks.
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J. Mac
For stopping by the Herd lie news.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I you know, I was it's Halloween tomorrow and we're gonna have some fun. A little quarterback candy comp. Also Diana Rossini Breaking news potentially last hour. Be sure to catch live editions of.
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J. Mac
The Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
- [39:29]
Colin Cowherd
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Greg Cosell
Nice with Downey.
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Colin Cowherd
Unstoppable. You just toss wash. Wow. For all day freshness.
- [39:59]
Katie Couric
On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Bernie Sanders, who is 84 years old, has spent 34 years in Congress and he can still pack a rally with people a quarter of his age.
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Colin Cowherd
Denver, 34,000 people come out. Salt Lake City, 20,000 people. You know, huge turnouts. People are really dissatisfied about the status quo.
- [40:23]
Katie Couric
His Fighting Oligarchy tour with AOC and other young progressives has become a movement. But is his message too far to the left? Well, he certainly doesn't think so.
- [40:33]
Colin Cowherd
Does that sound like a radical idea, Katie? Is that too far left for you?
- [40:37]
Katie Couric
Okay, okay, wait. I get your point, Bernie. We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown, not to mention the current state of the Democratic Party.
- [40:51]
Colin Cowherd
To me, the failure of the Democratic Party has been an unwillingness to recognize the real issues.
- [40:57]
Katie Couric
Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Next question with Katie Couric. And listen now. I'm Eva Longoria.
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Molly Lambert
And I'm Maite Gomez Rajan.
- [41:06]
Katie Couric
And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things. Food and history.
- [41:12]
Colin Cowherd
Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto.
- [41:15]
Molly Lambert
Oyster shells, and they called these ostrakan to vote politicians into exile.
- [41:21]
Colin Cowherd
So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way. Bring back the ostracon.
- [41:29]
Katie Couric
And because we've got a very mi casa es su casa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by.
- [41:35]
Colin Cowherd
Pretty much every entry into this side.
- [41:38]
J. Mac
Of the planet was through the El Golfo de Mexico.
- [41:42]
Colin Cowherd
No, the Americas. No, the America forever and ever.
- [41:48]
Katie Couric
It blows me away how progressive Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights.
- [41:57]
Colin Cowherd
Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place.
- [42:01]
Katie Couric
Them in their tombs for the afterlife. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Molly Lambert
Jenna World, Jenna Jamison, Vivid Video and the Valley is a new podcast about the history of the adult film industry. I'm Molly Lambert, host of Heidi the Heidi Fly Story, and I'll be your tour guide on a wild ride through adult film films. We get paid more than the men. We call the shots. In what way is that degrading? That's us taking hold of our Life. In the 1990s, actress Jenna Jameson crossed over into mainstream culture, redefined stardom, then left it all behind. I'm a powerful woman. I think that's intimidating to a man. With a cowboy cast of hundreds of actors and comedians playing key figures, we'll take a look at how adult films became legal in the 70s, hugely profitable in the 80s and 90s, and fell off a financial cliff in the 2000s. Listen to General World on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [43:14]
J. Mac
Play the Fox Super 6 NFL Challenge. Download the Fox Sports app right now and enter for a free shot to win your share of $10,000 in cash prizes.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, J. Mac Halloween is tomorrow. Our staff really gets into it. You can see all the ghosts hovering. If you're listening on radio, you should turn on FS1. All the ghosts hovering in and out of our set. So everybody's all fired up for this and I thought, you know, we'll give a little bit back. I like candy. I'm just knocking out. Just knocked out a little Kit Kat bar here.
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J. Mac
Oh, gross.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh my God. It's great. Lifesaver gummies.
- [43:49]
J. Mac
Yes.
- [43:51]
Colin Cowherd
I don't. I don't care what they say about red dye.
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Greg Cosell
I love it.
- [43:54]
Colin Cowherd
I've got a couple Snickers here. So we're gonna do an. You give me a quarterback and I will give you his candy comp.
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J. Mac
All right, which can't. Which Halloween candy is Patrick Mahomes?
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Colin Cowherd
Easiest one, Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. Most popular, best in the game right now. Patrick leads the NFL in total touchdowns and ranked second and total yards this year on a heater that is easily, by the way, the most ordered Halloween candy by a long shot.
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J. Mac
As the kids say, very mid. Which Halloween candy is Bo Nix?
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Colin Cowherd
Bonix is dark chocolate. I love him. I think it's an acquired taste. I'm not sure if anybody else even likes it. I'm like 87%, 92%. What do I care? I mean, during his five game winning streak in the fourth quarter alone, 13 touchdowns, two picks. Bo Nicks, baby. Bootiful.
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J. Mac
All right, which Halloween candy is Baker Mayfield?
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Colin Cowherd
Warhead. Very intense, but you learn to love it. I mean, listen, he leads the NFL with 82 touchdown passes since joining the Bucks. He can be a little reckless. It takes a while to get used to it. It. But you know what? You down a couple of those warheads, you're all in.
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J. Mac
All right, which Halloween candy is Aaron Rodgers?
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Colin Cowherd
He's complex. And so is this candy, the Tootsie Roll Pop. It's got a hardened exterior, but it's totally different inside. Completely different inside. Listen, the Steelers are going to average 25 a game, right? That's what they're doing right now. That's their best in five, six years. So the Tootsie Roll Pop. Again, I'm not saying it's great for your teeth. I'm not saying. But the outside and the inside, it's very complex. It's. It's two different candy.
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J. Mac
That's a good one. Which Halloween candy is Jalen Hurts.
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Colin Cowherd
Candy corn. A lot of people love it. Something. It's totally overrated. He's won 22 of his 20 of his last 22 games. So it's dependable. It's always there. But they have one of the highest third and out percentages in the NFL. So you're either with it or you're not at all.
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J. Mac
Love me some candy corn. Which Halloween candy is a Matthew Stafford?
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Colin Cowherd
We both love Stafford. He's old, reliable, like the Hershey bar. You know what you're getting, right? Never bad. Leads the NFL in touchdown passes and big plays. Second highest gritted passer. I mean, it goes with almost anything. Fifth round wide receiver, a fifth round running back. An undrafted left tackle. The classic 37 year old. Still good.
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J. Mac
Which Halloween candy is your guy? Caleb Williams.
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Colin Cowherd
My guy. The Butterfinger. Sounds good, but is it? Yeah, I'm not sure if it is. I mean, he's 9 and 15. Completion percentage declined this season. Ranks 24th.
- [47:03]
J. Mac
I don't know.
- [47:04]
Colin Cowherd
I used to get stuff in my teeth. I'm weird aftertaste. I. I don't know if I like it.
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J. Mac
I like Butterfinger.
- [47:11]
Colin Cowherd
All right.
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J. Mac
Finally, Colin, which Halloween candy is Trevor Lawrence?
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Colin Cowherd
The staff came up with this mystery airhead.
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J. Mac
What?
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Colin Cowherd
You. You're never quite sure what you just experienced. Well, what is it? He leads the NFL with 74 turnovers since he entered the league. And his record is 26 and 41. It's good. No, it's not. What is it? I'm not sure. He's talented. He turns the ball over. I don't know what to make of Trevor Lawrence or the mystery airhead. Airhead.
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J. Mac
Yeah. Good stuff.
- [47:48]
Greg Cosell
There you go.
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J. Mac
I can't believe you don't like candy corn, bro. Come on, candy corn is so good.
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Colin Cowherd
It's a little bit like candle wax.
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J. Mac
Candle wax?
- [47:57]
Colin Cowherd
I'm a texture guy.
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Katie Couric
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I. I can't. There's certain textures I can't do.
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J. Mac
I gotta be honest, I'm shocked that Reese's peanut butter cups are like the.
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Colin Cowherd
Most popular by a mile.
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J. Mac
I had no clue.
- [48:09]
Colin Cowherd
Those are.
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J. Mac
I just.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
- [48:11]
J. Mac
Wow, that's stunning.
- [48:12]
Colin Cowherd
All right, here's the NFL schedule. A J. Mac this weekend. I usually ask you on Thursdays. I want the big upset.
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Katie Couric
Oh, boy.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't see a big upset.
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J. Mac
Why don't. Why don't we cross them off the list? It's. The Rams are not losing.
- [48:29]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [48:29]
J. Mac
They're not losing to the Saints.
- [48:30]
Colin Cowherd
And the Chargers aren't losing against the Titans.
- [48:33]
J. Mac
Correct. And the packers are not losing to the Panthers. So let's cross those off. Can you find one now? Like, can you make a case for the Vikings in the division? No, I can't see it either.
- [48:48]
Colin Cowherd
I'll tell you.
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J. Mac
I.
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Colin Cowherd
You're not.
- [48:50]
J. Mac
You go first.
- [48:51]
Colin Cowherd
I. The Raiders beating the Jaguars in Vegas.
- [48:55]
J. Mac
Is that really an up? I mean half.
- [48:57]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean I'll tell you, I think this would be a huge upset but the odds makers don't. I think if the Steelers beat the Colts it's a huge upset. But the lines three.
- [49:06]
J. Mac
Well, you want a huge upset, I'll give it to you. Now you're not going to like it, but the Atlanta Falcons were at six and a half of money has come in on the Falcons on the road against the Patriots. Drake London's expected back, Michael Pennock's expected back and there's some numbers on teams. You, you used to do this where a team will lose big as a favorite and then they come back the next week and they pull an upset. Yeah, you know, Raheem Morris fires up the troops and they get their act together. By the way, the Patriots haven't faced anybody good lately.
- [49:35]
Katie Couric
Colin.
- [49:35]
J. Mac
Anyone. So maybe you could make a case for the Falcons, but it's outdoors.
- [49:40]
Colin Cowherd
You know what's interesting about the NFL is that Tom Brady and Joe Flacco and Matt Stafford and now Jared Goffs. It feels like a little bit of an older quarterback is that once again it is proving in this league. I mean Brady couldn't run. Flacco doesn't move. Golf doesn't move at all. Aaron Rodgers having a very good year. Right. We fall in love with athletic ability. How are these old guys working at such a high level? Because 90% of quarterback play is sitting in the pocket. Pre snap reads, getting your guys in the right place. It is a above the shoulders is about 75% of it. Flacco could drop 40 this weekend. You would not be shocked. So it's like when I watch Flacco, it's so instructive. You watch Flacco, you watch Stafford, you watched old Brady in Tampa, you're watching old Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers offense has been so inefficient and so clunky and outdated. Now it brings in a 41 year old and they're great in the red zone. Why? Because Aaron has seen every defense. So we fall in love with all the horsepower, folks. It's all about figuring out what's coming. Audibleing protections, getting out of trouble, getting into matchup advantages. Trade deadline. Diana Rusini stops by on Hollywoody poly Weenies. That's the sound of James adding long lasting gain scent boosters to his laundry this morning. Several hours later, James sniffs the irresistible scent of gain on his shirt.
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Katie Couric
Ah.
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Colin Cowherd
Gain.
- [51:30]
Greg Cosell
Several hours later, James has even caught the attention of his mother in law.
- [51:34]
Colin Cowherd
And she never gives him attention.
- [51:36]
J. Mac
Ooh, you smell amazing, James.
- [51:38]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, thanks, mom. I love you too. I never said that. Add gain scent boosters to your laundry. Add joy to your day.
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Katie Couric
On the latest episode of Next Question with Me, Katie Couric, I sat down with Bernie Sanders. We've talked many times over the years, and today he even throws a few questions my way.
- [51:56]
Colin Cowherd
All right, are you ready for another question?
- [51:58]
J. Mac
Go ahead, hit me, Bernie.
- [52:01]
Katie Couric
We talk about the billionaire class, the cost of living, and of course, the government shutdown. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, I'm Kyle McLaughlin. You might know me as that guy from Twin Peaks, Sex and the City, or just the Internet stand. I have a new podcast called what Are We Even Doing? Where I embark on a noble quest to understand the brilliant chaos of youth culture. Each week I invite someone fascinating to join me to talk about navigating this high speed rollercoaster we call reality. Join me and my delightful guests every Thursday and let's get weird together in a good way. Listen to what Are We Even doing on the iHeartRadio app. App Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The Rich Russians Falling out of Windows podcast is back. Sad oligarch season two. Since we left you in 2023 after season one, many politically motivated Russian millionaires have continued to die in suspicious circumstances. Season two gets very weird. Listen to Sad Oligarch on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.