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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
THE HERD - Hour 2 - Possible issues between Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly, the Chiefs 2-3 start, Greg Cosell
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Greg Cosell
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Cosell
Now let's get this party started.
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Colin Cowherd
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. We are live in Los Angeles. Dodgers, Phillies this afternoon. Will we go to a game 5? Great to be in J. Mac. Greg Cosell's coming up in a couple of seconds. I saw something. I don't think there's trouble in paradise. Chip Kelly went to Ohio State 1A Natty went back to the NFL. He's now the offensive coordinator for the Raiders. The Raiders are going to be a fourth place team. They have Geno Smith. Everybody predicted that. I don't think Geno's a great fit anywhere. He's a turnover laden quarterback and Pete hates that. But Pete Carroll was talking about the run game. He wants more of it.
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Pete Carroll
We got to run the football better, you know, more and we're going to continue to work at it and see if we can't, you know, continue to bring it to life. The running game has been, is, has looked well in order right now. We needed to get more of them. That's part of it. That's just mixing football. That's how you go, you do it. We don't want to ever rely on the quarterback has to do the whole show and sitting in a shotgun throw the football. Never coach that way. And so we have to mix our stuff so that we can use our play action game.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Pete wants Chip to run the football more. That's why they picked Ashton Genty. That is Pete. Pete likes defense in the run game. Geno Smith. They wanted Matt Stafford. Stafford chose the Rams. I think Pete wanted Sam Darnold reportedly not me. This is reported. Tom Brady didn't want Sam Darnold. So I just think you're limited with Geno Smith. But Pete knew him, was familiar but you're limited. He's going to throw a lot of picks and it's like a lot. So my question with Pete is not energy. I had no problem with a hire. It's that his last few defenses in Seattle were no good and Mike McDonald took over and they're really good now. Some of that's John Snyder's draft picks. They've hitten a lot of them. But you know, Jesse Minter shows up to an awful Chargers defense. It is good by week three, the next year. Mike McDonald, Seattle Overnight defense is better. So there's an argument that Pete hasn't reinvented himself defensively and that's why he was let go. I have no problem with Pete. I mean they spent most of their draft picks on offense. You know, the TCU receivers been, you know, third down guy, Genti's really good, some offensive line picks that are okay. But I think the question with the Raiders is do you get the magic of Pete Carroll's defense, which we really haven't seen since 2017. It's not the offense. Geno Smith, lower your standards. It's not going to be great. Colton Miller's hurt, Brock Bowers banged up. The offense is just going to be okay. Pete needs to get that defense humming. And the Jesse minters and Mike McDonald's have been able to do that very, very quickly. And I kind of feel like one of the reasons Pete in the end in Seattle, his side of the ball. And that's where I always judge coaches. What are you doing with your side of the ball? Because I don't blame you if there's missed draft picks. I don't blame you if there's a mediocre to bad quarterback. What are you doing with the Raiders defense? And right now actually it's regressed from Antonio Pierce's defense. Some of that may be injuries, but that's what I'm looking for with the Raiders. The magic on the defensive side, especially in that division with Herbert, Bo Nix, Peyton and Harbaugh and Andy Reid and Mahomes. All right, we go to Greg Cosell, 46 years, NFL Films. You know, I've been, I would argue this week and people are pushing back. I said you can mark it down with seven coordinators over the last since, since 2017. Jared Goff is number one or number two at everything in the NFL. Seven coordinators, McVay, Dan Campbell, rebuild in Detroit and people are like, come on, hall of Fame. And I think some of it is his first year was a bust and strong memories, first impressions. And then Stafford's first year in LA, he won a Super bowl, it's like, oh, McVay punted him. But if you go to Stafford and Goff's numbers, all right, since that trade, and remember golf had a rebuild for two years in Detroit, golf's numbers are better. When you look at Detroit, does Goff deserve more or less credit? Is it just about the run game? The O line or do you watch golf and do you say that's an elite quarterback?
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Greg Cosell
I would lean more toward that. I mean, golf in many ways, Colin, you know, this. Golf is somewhat of a dinosaur, the way people like to talk about quarterbacks now, because he's a pocket quarterback. He's not a playmaker. He's not going to leave the pocket and make those special plays. So Goff, as most quarterbacks should be, is a function of a system. And he can execute a certain system at a really high level, and he can make throws within that given system. What he does, I believe, better than any quarterback in the NFL is throw the ball between the numbers. He's a window thrower at, let's say, 16 to 25 yards. Those are very difficult throws to make the National Football League. And he. I think he's the best at it. But again, he's. In many respects, people look at the Mahomes, the Allens, the. Obviously Lamar, even Burrow, when he's healthy, moves around quite a bit as a better athlete than a lot of people might think. These are the quarterbacks we look to now. And Goff's not that guy. He's essentially a pure pocket quarterback, but at an extremely high level.
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Colin Cowherd
So I thought Mahomes was really, you know, he didn't see Devin Lloyd. Sometimes you don't see. In cluttered, congested areas, you just don't see a linebacker. And so I was more troubled with Trevor Lawrence's fumble at the one or his pick, something. I mean, Brady threw a pick six in a Super Bowl. Mahomes did not see Devin Lloyd. He did not see him. But I think the last two weeks, with a bunch of young receivers and new guys, I don't know what the film says. I think Mahomes is really dialed in right now. And again, this is not a great O line. They have no running game. They don't have a number one receiver. I think he's playing exceptionally well. What's the film say?
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Greg Cosell
You know what, Colin? It's a very odd offense to watch because there's very little rhythm and timing to the offense. There's a lot of short throws. Those obviously have some rhythm. When I say short throws within maybe six yards of the line of scrimmage, occasionally they'll take a deep shot. There's almost no timing and rhythm. Intermediate passing game. We just spoke about Jared Goff. There's none of that with the offense for the Chiefs. And we haven't seen that maybe for a year, year and a half, and then Mahomes makes special plays. His spatial awareness is as good as anybody we've ever seen. His ability to move away from people, keep his eyes downfield with unbelievable vision may be the best we've ever seen. But from an offensive conceptual standpoint, you just don't see a lot of rhythmic throws, as I said, let's say between 15 and 25 yards. And I don't know why, I can't answer as to why you don't see that, what the issue is, but you just don't see it. It's very much a random offense with can Mahomes make plays. And he's so good at it, and he's so good on third down, particularly using his legs, that it's a tough offense to defend because defenses have to change the way they play.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to talk about Eagles, Broncos, and I'll start with Bo Nix, who Vic Fangio had his number. And then in the fourth quarter, between the play calling, Bo Nicks get the ball out quick. Suddenly Denver got into a rhythm and it was really pretty and it was chunk, chunk, chunk. What did Bo Nix and Sean Payton do in the fourth that they couldn't do early?
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Greg Cosell
I don't know if it was so much that they did anything dramatically different. I mean, obviously the third and 15 play was great. I mean, that was a big time play and that came against zone coverage. But in the fourth quarter, he also hit Cordel and Sutton on two back shoulder fades where Quinion Mitchell had great coverage and it was just good on good. And Nix and Sutton beat Mitchell. Those were just back shoulder. That was matchup football. You're seeing one of them right now. They started to run the ball a little bit, which they couldn't do early in the game. You know, Knicks just hung in there and played. I mean, I don't, I didn't see, watching that tape, I didn't come away feeling like, wow, all of a sudden Bo Nix turned it on and he played great. When you get in the past game and you know this, Colin, you get matchup football or you get schematic football where this, where the scheme presents a clean defined read for the quarterback. But you also get matchup football where it's one on one and your guy wins and sometimes he doesn't win. I mean, Knicks made a great throw on the second play of the to Sutton on a vertical route where he got on top of Mitchell and Sutton dropped it. You know, so these things happen as well. But Sutton, he's a tough cover and they put Mitchell on him. And Sutton won in the fourth quarter.
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Colin Cowherd
So Philadelphia is not doing anything particularly well. So let's just concentrate on this. I would argue week one they didn't even throw to A.J. brown, but in the last four weeks he's getting as many targets statistically as Justin Jefferson. So they're trying to get him the ball and it's still not working. Rams the exception. So why don't AJ And Jalen Hurts work consistently? Because they're trying. The targets tell you they're trying.
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Greg Cosell
Well, first of all, let's start with what they have to be based on what the quarterback is and what he isn't, which they know in the building. By the way. The quarterback has limitations in terms of where he can throw the ball effectively. He's very good throwing it outside the number. We saw that in the Rams game a few weeks ago when Starting in the second half they did go 101 to AJ Brown versus the Rams corners who are not high level corners. But one thing Jalen Hurts has never done particularly well, he's not a window thrower. He doesn't throw the ball between the numbers. And as I said we were talking earlier, 15 to 25 yards. In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback in the league throwing the ball between 15 and 25 yards between the numbers. He doesn't see the game that way. They have to be a running football team now. They're not running the ball at all. And the O line is hurt, it's banged up and it's not played anywhere near as well as it has the last three, four years when it was arguably the best in the league. I mean, they gave the ball to Barkley five times in the first half last week in a game they were winning and in the second half they gave it to him one time. They have to be a running football team. They are not a passing team. Even last year winning a Super bowl, they were not a passing team. Jalen Hurts had 10 games last year, Colin, where he threw for less than 200 yards. The one of the best, not the best. One of the best things about Hertz is he never turns it over. That's critical for how they play. But as far as the passing game, it has limitations. You know this. Every coach plays to his quarterback. So when you watch a team and see what they do, think about what they do and then think about the quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
So there are 15 quarterbacks right now in the NFL with a passer rating over 100. There were six two years ago that's a lot. Yeah. So I think there's. There's a lot of good offensive coaches. I think there's a lot of zone. So for a lot of these veteran guys, like a Darnold or a Baker or a Dak, you know, it's. It's throw it to a spot. Jared Goff, and they're really good at that. It's a very much a zone.
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Greg Cosell
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
But I mean, Dax, pretty amazing CDs out. I would argue they don't even have a dependable number two receiver. It's more threes, their tight ends. Okay. O line still feels like to me it's. It's a little patchwork and it's okay. The film may say something different. The run game is fine. It's not special. And here's Dak putting up big numbers with a bunch of kind of number three receivers and solid tight ends. Not special. I mean, all these years and all these snaps, we don't. We didn't love the staff that was hired. Well, maybe they're better than we thought. But what does the film say on Dak? Because is there a quarterback in the league doing more without special surrounding talent?
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Greg Cosell
Well, I think what Dakand. We talked about this. I remember we had this discussion two, three years ago. What Dak has evolved into as he's advanced in his career and had a number of leg injuries is he is an efficient distributor of the football. He's a ball distributor. He's an executor. He's very, very good at it. That's what his game is. And when you put him with a Brian Schottenheimer, who's actually very good orchestrating an offense, you get an efficient pass game. But the one place where I might disagree with you a little bit is I think their run game has been better than you think. Javante Williams is starting to look more like he did coming out of North Carolina when he was in his first year with the Broncos before all the leg injuries. He's, I think, fourth or fifth in the league in rushing. Some. He's pretty high up and he's averaging close to six yards a carry. And their run game now is very, very viable. It's a meaningful, significant part of what they do offensively.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I want to talk about, first of all, a quarterback who I liked a lot, who has grown quickly, and then a team I like a lot that I think people are surprised by. So let's start with Drake May. Listen, I predicted they'd make the playoffs. I'm a huge fan of Vrabel. But let me be clear. I like Drake May a lot, but in the last two to three weeks he's taken it to a different level. And I still don't think they have elite personnel. I like their backs, but I don't think they have elite offensive personnel. Something has clicked. What is it?
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Greg Cosell
Well, it's funny because I actually think he's played this way from week one. It's just they've won a couple of games recently and that makes it appear that he's playing better. I think right from the beginning of this season, Colin, he's been outstanding in areas you never expect a second year quarterback to be good at. That's on third down, he's been outstanding. On third down he's been outstanding versus pressure. And they're starting to throw the ball more on first down, which is always the best down to throw because you get much more predictable front looks, you get more predictable coverage looks. You just get a better feel for the quarterback when you call plays and it's first and ten or normal down and distance situations. So I would argue, and I agree with you 100%, I think he's been really good from week one. It's just they had a big win on national TV on the road in a very difficult place to play when he was really, really efficient. So it just made it seem like he's playing better recently. But I think he's played like this since week one.
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Colin Cowherd
So a team that and in this league, when I had text an occasional general manager is that you can do so many things right as a gm, but if you don't have the quarterback right. People for years have been on Chris Ballard in Indy and I've been saying I follow the draft. I like their roster. I think it's good. I think they have good weapons. I think they're O line you can tell me about the film says, but I think their O line is way above average. And all of a sudden they get Daniel Jones playing well and I'm like, okay, they've had the roster I had, they had the Rams beat two weeks ago. They've got the players. But I think all of us are holding our breath on Daniel Jones. Just, he looks a little stronger, he looks more confident, his body language is better. What is it with Steichen and Daniel Jones? Because I don't think it's one of these, you know, September, early October runs that Ryan Fitzpatrick had, you know, a couple of those. It's like, no, I think this is going to last. I think Daniel's pretty good now, I.
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Greg Cosell
Think, Colin, this speaks to the marriage of coaching and quarterback play, which I've just come to believe is so, so important. Because when I watch this team, I see. I see Shane Steichen really presenting Jones with his route concepts with a lot of clean, defined reads. So he's comfortable turning the ball loose to the primary receiver. And one thing for people to notice with Daniel Jones is rarely, and you saw this a lot with the Giants, obviously, but you rarely see him get stuck in the pocket where it seems as if he has nowhere to throw the football. He drops back and he's decisive. And he's decisive because the receiver that he looks at first, the primary, is available to him. And I think that the scheming of an offense, of a pass game, the way a coach calls a game throughout the game, has so much to do with quarterbacks. You know, when we see a quarterback throw to a relatively open receiver, and Jones has done a lot of that this year, we always say that's great quarterback play. But really he's being set up for great quarterback play. And I think the marriage has been outstanding. And Jones has been so good, especially on first down, where, again, we just spoke about that. They are really, really good throwing the ball on first down.
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Colin Cowherd
There are two teams in this league that I like a lot and they're both very young. Green Bay and Seattle. And Green Bay, as young teams are prone to do. Green Bay is struggling to figure out how to close out games against inferior teams. Cleveland, Dallas, Seattle. Young team, second youngest offense couldn't close it out, although they were on the doorstep against the Niners and they couldn't close it out against Tampa. So I think Green Bay and Seattle are very good. They may be a year away. I don't think the packers are. But when you watch Sam Darnold in those losses to San Francisco or Tampa, does it make you think, oh, turnover's not quite good. That's same old Sam. Or are you watching? Are you watching Sam? And you're thinking this is an elite top 10, 12 quarterback.
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Greg Cosell
I would tend more toward what you just said at the end of that. You know that interception he threw last week, that was a classic Todd Bowles pressure and got in clean. Winfield got in clean and then he threw and hit the helmet of a defensive lineman. Now, I don't know if it would have been complete otherwise. It probably wouldn't have been, but it probably wouldn't have been an interception. But Darnold, you know, you know Darnold and you Know, you, you, you've always liked him. He's a big, physical guy. He throws the ball really well. Again, you're dealing now with a system where he seems more decisive than ever. And that's the key for him because he's not most quarterbacks, but it's more true of some than others. And it's true of Darnold. The longer he stays in the pocket, the worse he is. So you have to design your system and your route concepts against anticipated coverages so that he can hit that back foot and deliver the football. So they've been able to do that really, really well. And he's performed, I think, at a really high level. And the other important point, Colin, he's only been sacked six times in five games. Their O line this year, Charles Cross at the left tackle, a top 10 pick, is clearly having the best year of his career.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, he came out highly coveted. All right, we're gonna, we're gonna last next couple of minutes to wrap it up. We're gonna talk Baker Mayfield.
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Greg Cosell
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
So, I mean, let's face it, Tampa is a big play offense, and they're doing it with this unbelievable rookie, but they're what. What I like about Baker is Baker's always had great confidence and trust in himself. And now, even without Mike Evans or Bucky Irving, like, he's got some weapons. Ibuka looks like rookie of the year stuff. He's a sensational talent. So this was one of the best, most entertaining games in the last couple years. It was epic. It was an electric game on a beautiful Pacific Northwest Sunday. What did you see from Baker?
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Greg Cosell
Well, I think what. There were 10 incompletions in the whole game by both quarterbacks. It was crazy. Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly decisive because he throws. And I know we've talked about this over the years, he throws a great ball, a way better ball than people might think, because he's not a big, imposing looking guy. Like, he's not like Jared Goff, who just looks big and imposing, but he has a really good arm, throws a great ball. He's always been very aggressive throwing it too, with that mindset that he has. And as you get older, I think he just knows just from playing, just from experience, you know, getting more and more at bat, so to speak. He just has a better feel for when I can turn it loose, when I don't have to turn it loose, but he turns it loose when necessary, and he's got a big arm and he can make really difficult throws and he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when the situation demands it. And again, I think he's now with the same system. Even though Liam Cohen isn't there. It's essentially the same system as it was and you can tell he's extremely comfortable. And there are certain throws always that stand out to me where it's a combination of scheme and the throw. And if you want, we can go right to the play that I want to show because I think this is a really good example of it. So let's take a look at Baker from. This is from last week. And as I said, this is just a really good combination of scheme and a really good throw that just seems like, oh, he's open, but it's not quite that simple. So we're going to see him under center. And by the way, we don't see a lot of quarterbacks under center. So the fact that he's under center is a big deal. And it's what we call a three by one set. You have three receivers to the wide side of the field and that's a buka. Up top is what we call the boundary. X, the single receiver to the short side of the field. Now what's he looking at? Baker initially two high safeties, but that's going to change now what they're going to call here and you're seeing more and more of this in the league. Colin motion, you're seeing motion. Shepard is going to cross the formation and what jet action, whatever people want to call it, and then he's going to release inside of a buka. Now notice that the coverage has changed. It is now cover three. So it went from too high to cover three and Baker turned his back a little bit because it's play action. So what you're going to get here is Shephard the motion receiver running a vertical route and you're going to get Abuka running essentially a wheel route. So it's two vertical routes. And what this is going to do is it's going to put the corner. I think it's Josh Jobe here who's actually become a very good player. But it's going to put him in conflict because you can see his body is turned towards shepherd running that vertical route because he knows that his safety is coming from the other side. So now with his body turned that way, he cannot play the wheel route at all by Abuka. It's just. He's in conflict. It's just too hard. And then. So what happens is you get a buka running the wheel in the deep third of the corner. That's his responsibility, but he can't get there. Now, this is not an easy throw, by the way, because he has to throw it over the top of that underneath defender which you're going to see here. So it might look easy because it looks like the Buka is wide open, but it's not easy. So again, this is just a perfect example again of scheming and making good throws. And I think ultimately the good passing games are about that.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep. Greg Cosell, Thursday. As always, we get smarter. Thanks, Greg.
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Greg Cosell
Thanks, Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
Emeka Igbuka is currently a sizable favorite to an offensive rookie of the year and he went to go 19th from my favorite, my, my GM Jason, who's just done a terrific job in Tampa for a long time.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
They get Mike Evans back soon. Bucky Irving will be back. That's a dangerous tamp. I mean, I can't see him in the super bowl. But they're going to be contenders in the nfc, right?
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Colin Cowherd
There are certain things. They have a good enough O line. There are certain things that really matter in January football. You know, like speed is always important, but Miami was really fast. Speeds less important in January. Efficiency, power becomes. Because it's, it's bad weather and it's windy and you need like tough, resilient, physical, powerful players. That's why, you know, you start looking at teams that win and players that really become hallmark players. What's great about a Booka is you can run him deep or you can run him underneath. He can do multiple patterns. He's not your classic really fat. If he was fast, he would have been a top seven pick because his game was flawless. But he's not a burner. He's just a total route tree mature adult. He's one of those guys like Amaran St. Brown, rookie year. You're like, you think he's 33, no diva, all grown up.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
You don't expect a lot of that. Strangely, the biggest question with Tampa might be their MVP candidate.
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WebMD Health Discovered Host
Colin.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I know we love Baker. He's having a great year. He's among the league leaders in turnover worthy place. And you know, so far they've broken his way. They're winning games at the buzzer by three. Colin, we know at some point that is going to stop and what happens when they're losing those coin flip games? Not as dangerous.
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Colin Cowherd
This was gonna be a positive Baker day.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I was doing my best.
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Colin Cowherd
You really pivoted to the negativity right there. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand, whenever you'd like.
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Greg Cosell
He's Mike.
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Colin Cowherd
Carmen. I'm Dan Byard. We have a fantasy football podcast called I want YouTube flexed. That's right, Dan. Every week we're going to scour the waiver wire to find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup. Sit starts fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate the competition. Listen to I want your flex with Mike Harmon and me, Dan Beyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts, show is flying by halfway home. Phil Sims, super bowl winning quarterback Phil Sims, broadcaster J. Mac now with the news.
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Pete Carroll
No, no, no, no, no.
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Greg Cosell
Turn on the news.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the herd line news.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
All right, Colin. Unfortunately, let's go back to the Blue Jays and their win over the Yankees 52 last night, eliminating the once dominant Yankees from the postseason.
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Colin Cowherd
What year was that?
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I don't know if I can even read this. New York wasn't even competitive in the final. In the first two games, getting outscored 23.
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Greg Cosell
8.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
The Yankees now have a 16 season championship drought, the third longest in franchise history. Aaron Judge did his part as he.
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Colin Cowherd
Hit very, very well, yet he had a big moment.
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Greg Cosell
He did.
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Colin Cowherd
He did his part. But again, they're totally reliant on him.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Just like last year. Garrett Cole doesn't pitch against the Dodgers. They don't, they don't, they don't compete. So they're just, they're very top heavy. You know, they spent a lot of money and they've had the same people in that front office for a long time.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I heard Jeter say that and I.
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Colin Cowherd
Was like, the Steinbrenners are very comfortable with. Good.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Are you comfortable with good?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, if I spent as much money as the Yankees did, I would argue they're not spending it as wisely as Milwaukee or Seattle. Now, Seattle's gonna get expensive here. They got some guys in arbitration, so Seattle right now is, is young and ascending, but they're on the cheat. They won't be for long. But. But not everybody has the Dodgers payroll. But, you know, the Mets underachieved. I see. The Mets underachieved. I don't think the Yankees underachieved the Yankees.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Could be worse. You could be the Mets.
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Greg Cosell
Well, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
If Garrett Cole was healthy with Max Freed, I don't know if you'd have won this series, but you'd be a Different looking team. You'd have two strong pitchers and a couple of big power hitters. You're still not very good defensively. You don't run the bases well. You can't play small ball. You're uneven. But a lot of this is. Garrett Cole got hurt. Okay, now you, now you're not the same team. And I think that, you know, it's, it's. That's a big part of this sport.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
So do you want to relish in some Blue Jays sound from last night or just.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure, let's go. I want to hear it.
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Greg Cosell
Hear it. Darling. Darling.
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Greg Cosell
Let's go, babe. Let's go.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
All right, we can put a bow in the season now. You heard your Vlad in Toronto.
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Colin Cowherd
No bow. They're just unwrapping in the present.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Let's move on to the NFL, to one of your favorite quarterbacks. Man, he's getting a lot of heat on social media. Amid the Dolphins terrible start, the loss to the Panthers, Tua was asked by the Miami media about how he deals with outside noise. Gotta say, love this answer, Colin.
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Greg Cosell
I'm not on social media.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, I don't have any of that.
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Greg Cosell
And then outside of that, like, I go home, I see my kids. Whether I throw five picks or five touchdowns, we win the game, we lose the game. I get to come home to my kids who are happy to see me every time.
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Colin Cowherd
Now he's got his life center.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
That's the reality in life. Well, when you're a quarterback, just a football player, he's a father. Well, and a husband.
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Colin Cowherd
I know that that sounds great.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
That's the reality.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, it's like, don't be. Don't be. You can't be defined by your job. If you think Tom Brady, you think quarterback, when you think Kobe Bryant, you think basketball player, that is when you are president, you're not defined by your kids as much. You're president. That's a reality of jobs. I think what he said is wonderful. I think it makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy. But the truth is, when you get paid a lot and you're a professional athlete and a quarterback, you know, the, the, your gm, your coach, your owner, your fans, people want you to win a lot of games and so you're going to get heat. I think it's great that he's centered, but I'm not surprised he's centered. He's always been that kind of guy. He's always a smart, He's a big broad, smart guy. Got convicted, religious conviction. And he's Always been a very balanced, good human being. But again, again, it's, it's. What he said is true. But being a quarterback, part of it is dealing with heat. It's hard.
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Greg Cosell
It is.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
And that's how he deals with it. He avoids social media.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, no, that's smart. That's super smart.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
That's, yeah, dealing with the heat from fans, whatever. Like, hey, you get, you never want to get too high, never want to get too low, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
You lose to the Panthers, hey, man, that's bad. That's not great. You know what? They beat the jets two weeks ago. Was that great? I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, I kind of like what two is saying.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I, I, I think it has absolutely redeemed. I think he's right and I think he's centered. But it is. Sports is cruel. It's demanding quarterbacks be 38 years old when they break into the league. You've got to be an adult. You are the CEO on the field. And it's hard and the criticism's harsh. And I'm glad that 2 is centered because it is brutal.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Chiefs 152 last year. And Patrick Mahomes ended the season getting his butt kicked by the Eagles.
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Colin Cowherd
And criticized.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Criticized heavily. It went 15:2. Like, come on, you can't win the super bowl every year. Nobody. Tom Brady didn't do that. Final story. Colin is the 49ers quarterback room. My goodness. What is going on? So Brock Purdy did not practice yesterday. Still nursing that toe injury. They're saying Mack Jones is going to start, but he got dinged up. Remember against the Rams, they're calling it a knee and an oblique. Mack is undefeated, but this could be a tall order against the Bucks. Bucks, they got extra time off. I'm seeing Juwan Jennings unlikely. Pearsall unlikely. Is this gonna be the.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought you liked the Niners this weekend.
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Greg Cosell
I know.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I was waiting for the injury report. I'm trying to text the headline guy. Can we back off the Niners?
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Colin Cowherd
How do you injure a knee at practice? I mean, at quarterback.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Well, did you see the way he got, like, drilled into the ground and his. Both of his legs kind of move?
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Greg Cosell
Funny.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so it wasn't at practice.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
No, no, no.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. I thought it. My bad, my bad. I thought it got hurt at practice.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I mean, he's just limited with it. He's banged up, you know, McEnroe, Jones, your guy. I had liked the Niners here. If this touches three and a half, you know, give me Shanahan all day.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Yeah, you're just. You just can't commit to Baker in the Bucks.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I. I like them, but they, they're not.
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Greg Cosell
They just.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
They're getting lucky every week. You have to admit that at the end of games.
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Colin Cowherd
No, I didn't think last week was luck. I thought it was great. Coach 35 all.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
And they. They kick a field goal.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, they got a great, great classic Todd Bowles blitz call. And Baker was unbelievable.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Well, wait, didn't the ball. Didn't Sam Darnold's pass go off like.
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Colin Cowherd
A helmet and it was like a congested. And that, that, that created, that chaos was created by Todd Bowles. There's no such thing as winning lucky in the NFL. That's a.
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Greg Cosell
That.
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Colin Cowherd
That word's nonsense.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
You don't think fumble luck is a thing.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but it goes both ways.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
It does. And everything's going Tampa's favor.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Greg Cosell
I don't think it is. Is.
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Colin Cowherd
I. Yeah, I. I'm going to disagree with that. J. Mack with the news.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Well, that's the news.
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Colin Cowherd
And thanks for stopping by the herd. You know, we haven't done all week. We haven't looked at the schedule and kind of made our. Kind of look called our upset yet. We usually. At this time, it's Thursday. We usually go out and say, okay, there's your upset. We've been pretty good at this.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
You're locked in on baseball right now. I mean, we don't have time for this guy. Got to go over Brewer's lineup card. I mean, have you seen it today or.
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Colin Cowherd
No, No, I haven't. I'm going home today, cleaning the apartment and watching the Phillies, Dodgers in the afternoon. There is nothing better.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Big night for Philadelphia sports, right? You got Phillies and it's a huge night. Huge lot of call in six tomorrow in Philadelphia.
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Colin Cowherd
They're throwing, aren't they? Throwing their ace. Phillies. I'm telling you right now, watch out.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Pitching tonight, watch out.
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Colin Cowherd
Because last night they didn't do anything at the top. Dodgers didn't do anything at the top of their order. Watch out, Dodger fans. This is not over. Like, you can. You can feel the Brewers Cubs is over before it's over. I said yesterday the Jays were going to beat the Yankees. The starting pitching could not get them out.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Is Ohtani. He would go game five, right?
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Colin Cowherd
I think so.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
But I think the Dodgers, Phillies, Phillies would. It would. I picked him to win. It would not shock me if they came back real quick because the pressure's on the Dodgers in A game five. Right now Philadelphia is coming in loose and free.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
How about the Phillies jerseys last night?
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Colin Cowherd
Old school.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Might be the coolest jerseys in the history of baseball. They're up there with those Padres ones from the 80s, you know, because.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you remember?
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
You don't remember, but I had the baseball cards with Mike Schmidt.
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Colin Cowherd
How would I tell you the lineup for the Phillies back in the 70s?
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
How about no.
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Colin Cowherd
Greg Laszinski, Bake McBride, Larry Boa, Dave Cash, Mike Schmidt, Schmitty.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Everybody knows. I think those other names are just made up. You're just coming up with like Harold Smith at the hot corner.
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Colin Cowherd
Bake McBride used to, used to choke up on his bat. Greg Laszinski, the Bull batting fourth. Mike Schmidt batted third. Pete Rose came over eventually.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
You gotta, we gotta get you on Jeopardy or something with this 70s baseball.
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Colin Cowherd
The old, very reluctant quiet Steve Carlton who would only Cash with Tim McCarver. Hey, a lot of you guys were out there socializing. I was home memorizing baseball lineups in the 70s. I was doing prep for the Herd when I was like nine. Oh my goodness, it's the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
A huge day of college football kicks off with big noon Saturday on Fox as phenom Jeremiah Smith leads top ranked Ohio State against Illinois. Then at 3:30 it's TCU versus K State. And under the line lights at 7:30, Kansas takes on 9th ranked Texas Tech. It all begins with big noon Saturday only on Fox.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm telling you, there's a big game this weekend. Keep your eye on usc, Michigan. This is a defining game. USC already lost Illinois. They have to go to Notre Dame and Oregon. They're not beating Oregon and Austin. They can compete I think with Notre Dame. Although the car, the quarterback's playing out of his mind.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Have a pick.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm going to take USC close. I'm just telling you, Lincoln's offense is fine. But, but, and I don't buy into this, all these Big Ten CO or these Pac 12 coaches. Oh, the travel and Big Ten coach. Oh, the travel. Oh, get over it. You have four roadies a year. Get over it. I feel bad for the volleyball team that, you know, I mean like some of these secondary teams that are never in class that have to play like multiple games. Football, you got four road games. The USC doesn't play road games at a conference much. You got four roadies. I mean Washington had to go To Maryland. Well, you just hosted Ohio State, so I don't want to hear about that. But the criticism of Lincoln Roddy, that's fair. Is since he's been at USC and at Oklahoma that he has developed power run games. But the defenses aren't good. That was a knock at Oklahoma. They weren't physical. Brett Venables got hired and said we need to be a catalyst of change physically. We're not very good physically. This game against Michigan, if they lose and get pushed around, there's no turning back from this. This is your opportunity to change a narrative for a football program in la.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Can I ask you, Oregon, Indiana. I know it's not on everybody's radar. It's like the third or fourth best game. But sharpest college football guy I know tells me Indiana is the play here, getting seven and a half or eight.
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Colin Cowherd
How come Indiana, how come Indiana can be a six point dog at Austin? That's what Ole Miss would be. But we view old misses up here and we view Indiana. And SEC gets the benefit of the doubt.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Indiana is Ole Miss. The line is telling you Ole Miss had played on a neutral field. Indiana, Ole Miss a favorite by one, one and a half. Because go look at the Oregon line now at Odson Stadium. Indiana is a viable dog.
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Fantasy Sports Analyst
I thought it would go up to eight. I was waiting. But this kid Mendoza, like he's six, five, looks the part. This is his chance to like put his name in the conversation for the NFL draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so Urban Meyer's on tomorrow to talk about these games. Indiana, Oregon is really interesting. Usc, Michigan is really interesting. So it is funny about Baker Mayfield because of my history with Baker Mayfield. But Tom Brady, this week, he does a top 10. Brady is on the Baker train. Here it is.
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Greg Cosell
The Bucks come in at number three.
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Colin Cowherd
They go on the road to Seattle. Does anyone know how hard it is to play there?
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Greg Cosell
And I see you, Baker, talking that. You go, man, you play like that, you can always talk that.
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Colin Cowherd
So he has him at number three. I had him at number two behind Detroit.
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Greg Cosell
It.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen, generally I don't like my quarterback jawing with fans. I don't think it's really an adult move. But I do think you have to be honest with Baker. And that is, that is his personality. I it. It's who he is. He's not the tallest, he's not the most athletic. A lot of his special is he's got a really good arm. He throws a beautiful deep ball. He's athletic enough. Here's Greg Cosell and what he's seeing with Baker.
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Greg Cosell
Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly decisive because he throws, and I know we've talked about this over the years, he throws a great ball, a way better ball than people might think, because he's not a big, imposing looking guy. He's always been very aggressive throwing it too, with that mindset that he has. And as you get older, I think he just knows just from playing, just from experience, you know, getting more and more at bat, so to speak. He just has a better feel for when I can turn it loose. And he can make really difficult throws. And he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when the situation demands it.
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Colin Cowherd
And for the record, a lot of our best quarterbacks have been a little reckless. Farve Elway would throw it into traffic. Favre, I mean, Aaron Rodgers was one of the first where you got the upside with no downside. Mahomes upside, no downside. Josh Allen can used to be reckless. I mean, you know, Brady was never a big interception guy, but Tom would let it loose. Andrew Luck, Joe Namath, you go back, a lot of our best quarterbacks, they can go sideways, they can take big shots. So, I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm not gonna, I don't want somebody that's not willing. It's the old Bill Parcells was always like, if you're not throwing occasional interceptions, I don't want safe guy. You, you've gotta, you've gotta throw it down the field. That doesn't mean Bill Parcells was rooting for interceptions. But if you're going nine for nine at practice every day and you're in your, you know, your red zone drills, you're probably throwing it underneath constantly. Like, you gotta let it rip. You gotta let it go. And again, I don't want Alex Smith to let it rip because he didn't have a huge arm. He knew what he could do. Baker's got a big boy arm. Darnold's got a big arm. Favre had a big arm. You almost owe it to yourself if you've got a great arm. Josh Allen's got a great arm. You owe it to yourself to let it rip. Alex Smith didn't. I don't want you taking those chances. Matt Ryan didn't. Okay, I don't want you taking, I mean, I, I, I don't think Jalen hurts has a huge arm. I want the underneath stuff, but if you got it, you got the talent. Let it rip. And Baker does. And yeah, he's going to have more turnover worthy plays. I can live with it. I really can. I Brady's one Super Bowls right through a pick six and he's lost Super Bowls Philadelphia where he was virtually perfect. Got to make plays. Phil Sims Our three Today's episode brought to you by a scent that's made a legendary comeback.° Original Cool Rush the OG is back in better than ever. Cool Rush isn't just a scent, it's a movement kind of fragrance guys remember, ask for by name and rave about online. It's bold. It's fresh all day, sweat protection, cool crisp vibe that made it legendary. So whether you're heading to the gym, the office, or just trying to stay fresh all day long, Cool Rush has your back. So if you haven't tried it yet, head to your local Walmart. Grab Degree Cool Rush, the fan favorite scent from the world's number one antiperspirant brand.
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