THE HERD - Hour 2 - Shedeur Sanders' debut tonight, thoughts on Arch Manning possibly staying, Josh Plate

Summary

Episode Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Hour 2 Release Date: August 8, 2025
Title: Shedeur Sanders' Debut Tonight, Thoughts on Arch Manning Possibly Staying, Josh Pate

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, interim host Doug Gottlieb delves into a variety of hot topics in the sports world. Key discussions include Shedeur Sanders' anticipated debut with the Cleveland Browns, the potential continuation of Arch Manning’s collegiate career at Texas, and insightful analysis on the current state of college football with special guest Josh Pate. Additionally, the episode touches upon notable NFL offseason developments and Major League Baseball's ongoing challenges.

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Shedeur Sanders’ NFL Debut

Doug Gottlieb kicks off the episode by focusing on Shedeur Sanders' first start for the Cleveland Browns in their preseason opener.

• Experience and Readiness: Doug highlights Sanders' extensive preparation, noting his training with NFL legend Tom Brady and his solid performance history in both Double-A leagues and the Big 12.

  Doug Gottlieb [05:35]: “He has the volume of reps… He's trained with the best, and so he's ready.”

• Expectations vs. Reality: The discussion underscores the high expectations placed on Sanders, juxtaposing his potential with established quarterbacks like Josh Allen.

  Doug Gottlieb [06:30]: “He absolutely wants to see him succeed because if they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap for a couple of years and have a chance to rebuild this franchise.”

• Potential Challenges: Concerns are raised about Sanders' athleticism and arm strength, with Doug acknowledging areas where he may need improvement.

  Doug Gottlieb [10:08]: “I think he's accurate. I don't think he's got a great arm and I don't think he's a great athlete. But the Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed.”

Arch Manning’s Future at Texas

Transitioning to college football, Noah and Doug Gottlieb discuss the rumors surrounding Arch Manning's commitment to the Texas Longhorns.

• Commitment Speculation: Noah expresses confidence in Arch Manning staying at Texas for at least two more seasons, debunking skepticism about his decision.

  Noah [23:03]: “Arch is gonna be at Texas for… I am expecting him to be good to really good with flashes of elite.”

• Long-Term Development: The conversation reflects on the extended period of public scrutiny Manning has faced, emphasizing the unique pressure of his family legacy.

  Noah [24:44]: “We've known Arch Manning for over half a decade… and we haven't even seen him be listed as the number one quarterback at Texas yet.”

• Historical Comparisons: Doug compares Manning's situation to other renowned quarterbacks, highlighting the rare case of sustained public interest without immediate stardom.

  Doug Gottlieb [25:06]: “Anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've been hyped and then they've started…”

College Football Insights with Josh Pate

Bringing in expert analysis, Josh Pate joins the discussion to provide his take on the unpredictable nature of college football.

• Roster Volatility: Josh emphasizes the difficulty in making accurate preseason predictions due to high player turnover and evolving team dynamics.

  Josh Pate [19:12]: “How in the world am I supposed to know anything about anyone?”

• Coaching Changes: The impact of new coaching staffs and their strategies is examined, with a focus on how these changes can dramatically alter team performance.

  Josh Pate [22:35]: “The hard part about trying to make it pop is you will take some risky guys and the risk, there's risk and reward in it.”

• Team Rebuilding: Specific programs like Oklahoma and USC are discussed, highlighting their rebuilding efforts and potential for surprise performances in the upcoming season.

  Noah [28:37]: “I trust that they recruited and I trust that they developed… They are very, very primed to be the surprise team in the SEC this year.”

NFL Offseason Updates

The episode also covers significant developments in the NFL offseason, particularly focusing on the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Los Angeles Chargers.

• Pittsburgh Steelers: Discussions revolve around Aaron Rodgers' future with the team and the challenges surrounding contract negotiations for star players like T.J. Watt and Cam Hayward.

  Doug Gottlieb [36:20]: “They want to win now. So I'll be interested to see how they manage this thing.”

• Los Angeles Chargers: The injury of All-Pro left tackle Rashawn Slater is highlighted as a major setback for the Chargers' offensive line.

  Doug Gottlieb [38:27]: “They had their struggles with sort of the interior offensive line last year… an unfortunate setback for those Chargers.”

Major League Baseball – Paul Skeens Discussion

In a lighter yet pertinent segment, the discussion shifts to Major League Baseball, focusing on the Pittsburgh Pirates' pitcher Paul Skeens.

• Performance Analysis: Doug and Noah analyze Skeens' impressive stats versus the Pirates' overall performance, debating the potential future and valuation of Skeens.

  Doug Gottlieb [48:31]: “He didn't give up a run. He didn't give up a run. I mean, he's just the guy's ridiculous.”

• Trade Speculation: The conversation explores the challenges and possibilities surrounding trade deals for pitchers like Skeens, considering factors such as injuries and team needs.

  Doug Gottlieb [49:15]: “I do think that, like, if next year there's not a turn, there's not a 500 in their finish, and he's healthy, isn't that the time that you go like, hey, we'd love to have you now?”

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Conclusion

This episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers a comprehensive analysis of emerging talents and strategic movements within both the NFL and college football landscapes. From Shedeur Sanders' promising start with the Browns to Arch Manning's potential extended tenure at Texas, and strategic insights from Josh Pate on college football's unpredictable nature, listeners are treated to a multifaceted exploration of current sports dynamics.

Notable Quotes:

• Doug Gottlieb [05:35]: “He has the volume of reps… He's trained with the best, and so he's ready.”
• Noah [23:03]: “Arch is gonna be at Texas for… I am expecting him to be good to really good with flashes of elite.”
• Josh Pate [19:12]: “How in the world am I supposed to know anything about anyone?”
• Doug Gottlieb [36:20]: “They want to win now. So I'll be interested to see how they manage this thing.”
• Doug Gottlieb [48:31]: “He didn't give up a run. He didn't give up a run. I mean, he's just the guy's ridiculous.”

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For more detailed discussions and analysis, listeners are encouraged to tune into the full episode available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Noah]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd, and for the next two hours, I want to talk sports with you from Santa Clarita to Temecula to Escala, all the way down to Poway. We might even work on baseball. Maybe. Maybe. I mean, did you guys see Paul Skeens yesterday? Did anybody follow this Paul Skeens who was the number one overall pick two years ago for the Pirates who stink first time. Okay? And I think 47 starts hit allowed, seven hits. You're like, wow, still shut out the Reds. Still shut up the Reds. He is so good. Like, the juxtaposition of. Of house, how good Skeens is and how bad the Pirates are is really remarkable. Right? It's. Can you imagine? Yeah, I can, actually. I remember Michael Jordan when he first came to the Bulls. You know, it's like, that doesn't mean he's Michael Jordan. It's the. Now you have people who look back and they're like, jordan didn't win anything without Scott Pippen. Okay, either state that you were alive when Jordan dominated the NBA and you choose to change what it was actually like, or you weren't alive. You didn't know. And so you're just repeating what stupid people say because Scotty Pippen played when they kept getting beat by the Pistons and they would punk Michael Jordan. They would punk Scottie Pippen. He had a migraine. Scotty was a great number two. Really good, really good player. Let, Let. Let's not act like. It's not like he was anywhere near the stratosphere of a Michael Jordan, you know, not close. Yeah. Jordan had to evolve, learn to pass some, put in a different offense when the double teams has come, learn to trust his team. And part of it was teams weren't very good, and then they grew and got better. But people say dumb stuff all the time. And, you know, you could say like, well, Paul Skain, baseball. Baseball somehow is the only sport which you can be awesome and your team be stinky. And people like, yeah, you know, I do have a Paul Skeens thing to get to a little bit later on the show. But let's. Let's start with Shador Sanders, who is going to get the start for the Browns in their preseason opener tonight. Here's Kevin Stefanski as head coach on Chador. My expectations For Shador are no different.

[Noah]

Than the rest of the guys. We expect them to go operate. It's when you get these preseason games, you try to keep it very simple so that guys can play fast.

[Ryan Music]

All concepts that are players know and.

[Noah]

Can kind of not think too much. And just play ball. Yeah.

[Doug Gottlieb]

And just play ball. Now, the sale of Shador Sanders is that this is what his entire career was built upon. Right. Or built built in readiness for. He trained with Tom Brady. He started at Jackson State and kind of built up. So he has the volume of reps. Four years as a starter, two years in one double A and. And two years in the. In the Big 12 or one year in the pack or one year in the Big 12. And he's got a lot of starts under his belt and he's studied with the best, and so he's ready. And so none of this stuff is. Is hard for him. But I. I just. There is no middle.

[Noah]

Right?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Because the likelihood is you'll watch him and I'd be like, oh, there's some good because he's not terrible. And there's some things like, yeah, you got to clean it up. Not a great athlete, but he's not a bad athlete. You know, he's got really good touch. Very accurate. Not really. It doesn't really have a laser outside the numbers, but there's. There's a. There's a lot there and there's some stuff missing and maybe gets exposed tonight. Maybe it doesn't, but it will. I mean, we all know how this works. It will be all or nothing. It will be. The Browns need to just drop everything and start Shador Sanders or this is a joke. His dad, you know, pushed him to a level above his level of competency. Why are we talking about the first round? It's a big night for Mel Capper Jr. Not gonna lie to you. Like, Mel almost put down his entire, like, reputation are like, what is going on? Which, by the way, just shows I love Mel. Mel is always a gentleman to work with. But a lot of the people that he used to have an in with in the NFL, they've aged out. And anyone who's been in the NFL now knows that Jordan Sanders was a clown in the interviews. Now what. What does that matter? Well, no one else was a clown, right? It's job interview. You're gonna clown job interview. So. And it's not like he's the perfect prospect. He's not bad. But let's not act like he's Josh Allen. And even Josh Allen, who Was flawed coming out of college, didn't act or behave the way that Stuart Sanders is reported to have acted. But this is. We were told, hey, he's trained with Brady. His mental game is far ahead of everybody else. All right? He's playing the preseason. He's not going to see a bunch of exotic stuff. And he's a gamer. He's clutching Legendary. Okay. To anyone who says, oh, they're, they're setting them up for failure. Do you think you have a better chance of succeeding in the NFL in a preseason game playing with. Because I don't think you'll play with many starters. But playing with ones and twos or playing with threes and fours and fives, what do you think? Right. There's a reason the end of, end of preseason games can just look raggedy because you have dudes that aren't going to be in the NFL this year. Who would you rather have blocking for him, the second string left tackle or the fourth string left tackle? Don't believe me? Here's Mark Dominick, former general manager in the, in the NFL with the Tampa Buccaneers. I asked him last hour about the. What's the chances that the Tampa Buccaneers want to see him. Excuse me. That the Cleveland Browns. Mark was the general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That the Cleveland Browns want to see Shador fail.

[Noah]

No one such a guy up to fail. I mean, there's. Internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever going to do is like, I can't wait to get this guy out there. So he falls on his face like, no one thinks that way, especially with the draft pick. And I know it's Shador Sanders. And people are like, oh, this is, you know, look, they already drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure they got the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately. The problem is what you said, that there's been a lot of injuries and he's found a way to get healthier faster than all the other guys. And, you know, there's a great opportunity. You know, it doesn't, you know, there's no way anyone in Cleveland in that organization's like, let's put Shador out there so he looks terrible when he fails. No one's thinking that.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Agreed. Agreed. Now, what does success and what does failure look like? Right. Like he'll be able to GE under center and throw a football. This is a lot like the discussion with somebody, guys, well, I can't roll the deep ball. Well, it doesn't mean you can't throw the ball deep down the field, but can you throw a deep out? You know, can you be on the move and throw something where it's not a hospital ball, where you're going to get your guy put in the hospital and. And forgive me, you know, dog pound since 1969 on Twitter. But what Kevin Stefanski thinks is what's really important. So I am. I'm interested. And he said, we want to play fast. We don't want to think much. We're gonna do simple stuff, just be simple. The other thing about being a starter is easy, easier to script plays, script them. So you come in, get right after him, you're going to look better than you probably are. I have no idea if Shador Sanders is a starting caliber quarterback in the NFL. Neither do you. You know, because we could sit there and go, hey, well, you know, he. This level of completion percentage. Yeah, but a lot of it was dink and dump or throwing to the best player in college football. They did have an outstanding wide receiving core. He holds on the ball a little bit long and it was made. It was acerbate. Exacerbated by the fact that he had a porous offensive line. But let's not act like we're sitting there breaking down film and see the all 22. And we know we're looking at. Thought he's a good college quarterback. Thought he got away with some stuff because, you know, he had the ball a lot. And remember, this is also the first game he's going to play where his dad's not his head coach. Think about that for a second. Right? First game you're gonna play, it's in the NFL. You're a preseason starter and it's the first time you look over there and Pops doesn't have the headset on like his dad coached him in peewee. So I don't know if he's any good. I think he's okay. I think he's fine. I think he's accurate. I don't think he's got a great arm and I don't think he's a great athlete. But the Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed because if they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap for a couple of years and have a chance to rebuild this franchise when they overspent on an absolute waste of time into Sean Watson. But just because you want him to be a guy or you want Dylan Gabriel but doesn't mean it happens. But I can't guarantee much, but they don't want to see him fail. There are people that want to see him fail. I don't think they're members of the Cleveland Browns organization. All right, coming up next in the Herd is Arch Manning, a lock for two more years at Texas. The man who knows or will say something with supreme confidence where you think he knows joins us next in the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day.

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[Manny]

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[Angela Rai]

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[Manny]

Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control and they're saying like okay, pull this until this, pull that, turn this. It's just I do my eyes closed. I'm Manny, I'm Noah, this is Devin and on our new show no Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.

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[Manny]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

Doug Alibin for calling. This is the Hurt FOX Sports radio on the iHeartradio app. Let's talk some college football. Josh Pate joins us. He's got the Josh Pates College Football Show. If you don't watch him on YouTube, if you don't know about his show, do yourself a favor, Google and you can just indulge just like, oh, here we go. I'm ready, Josh. You know, I, part of this is watching last year in some of the surprising finishes in some of the conferences. Some of it is being a college basketball coach myself, and some of it is just kind of being an observer of college sports. But I'm of the opinion no one really knows what they have. And so a lot of these preseason predictions, sort of wasteful, right?

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Are you in the same boat?

[Noah]

Yeah, man. Well, first off, hey, it's nice to talk to you on this Friday. I, I always thought this okay about college football. It's always kind of been that way. But let me just give you one extreme off the charts anecdote to hammer home your points. Barry Odom just took over the Purdue job. All right, Barry Odom had a good year last year at unlv. Purdue was terrible. He takes over the Purdue job now. You know, in football, it used to take a minimum of what, two, probably three years to turn over your roster. Barry's going to have 105 scholarship players in fall. 83 of them are new. Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, I think 70 or 71 of his 105 are going to be new. Like they were not there last year. So that's your freshman class enrolling and that's like 25 kids. And the rest of them are portal. So with that as the backdrop, I ask you, Doug Gottlieb, how in the world am I supposed to know anything about anyone? And then you've got Carson Beck. I mean, this time last year, if you and I were talking, we would have been talking about that kid and whether he was going to be the number one overall quarterback taken in the draft after he probably challenges for the Heisman en route to Georgia playing for a national title. And none of that happens. And now he's at Miami. And how am I supposed to know what to expect down there. The highlight game of week one is Texas and Ohio State both, I think out of the top 75 in returning production numbers. How am I supposed to know what to expect there? Here's the beauty. I've never been one of these anti preseason poll guys. I've never been one of these anti prediction guys. I am just the kind of guy that wants to do all that, but do it in very light pencil because you cannot, cannot ignore week one and week two just because you took six months to build up predictions and you're not coming off of them. You got to be ready to pivot on a dime on this stuff because you're right, dude, half the coaching staff don't even know what they have. So I certainly don't know what they have.

[Doug Gottlieb]

And a lot of coaching staffs are new, too. That's the other part. Like they had new. They're new and they. And they don't have spring games anymore.

[Noah]

Yeah. Hey, I'll tell you another thing though. I was, I was listening to some of the stuff we had done in spring with some of these coaches this morning. Some of it was on record. Like a lot of it was off record. And a lot of the off the record talk, especially in football right now, is about how many coaches like, yeah, you're right, there are new, there's new coaching staff churn all over the place every year. But there are a lot of people who point blank have their jobs this year that would not have previously had their jobs because their buyout number is too big a knock on the payroll now. And the payroll is real now because you have to pay the players. And so it's not Monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and account for things. And so I mean, Billy Napier at Florida, if we're 10 years ago, does Billy even survive last year? Does he make it through the season? Well, he did because of the new constraints. And lo and behold, he may have a top 10 team this year. I think it was like, I mean, it was like a small handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their jobs. And that's been a league perennially where half the league turns over at the coordinator position either from firing or new hire. So there's a mixture like, yeah, there is some newness in coaching spots, but there's also a really healthy amount of guys that have been given a stay of execution, if you will, maybe one more year. And the true skill, if you want to talk about being predictive, is go find the Guy that was one year away all along and because he's been given that one more year is going to make it pop because of that.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Well, the hard part about trying to make it pop is you will take some, you'll take some risky guys and the risk, there's risk and reward in it. And again, you just kind of holding your breath. The phone doesn't ring in the middle of the night. Josh Pate join us to Josh Pate college football show. He joins us here in the Herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Archie Manning is like Arch is gonna be at Texas for, you know, two, two more seasons this year and next year. Do you buy it?

[Noah]

Yes, I do. That's, that's been the talk around him since he got there. I, so if, if I, if I don't buy it, it's just me calling him a bald face liar and I don't think they are now. He could just explode this year and be projected number one overall. And of course you got a choice to make at that point. I am not applying those kind of expectations to him now. This is, you know, me personally, the market is, the odds boards are. I'm not, I am expecting him to be good to really good with flashes of elite and if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it. But I do want to take a step back. I mean, it's very obvious. Nothing around him is conventional. Archie Manning talking about that, chief among them, his thought process, in the way he gets to handle himself because of what his last name is, chief among them. But how I was trying to think about this. Maybe you come up with an answer because I don't have one. When is the last time that we have known a kid for over half a decade, six years we've known Arch Manning, sophomore, junior, senior year in high school, first, second, now third year at Texas and it's six years in before he's the full time starter. People have been talking about this dude over half a decade, like fully formed opinions and we haven't even seen him be listed as the number one quarterback at Texas yet. So you want to talk about expectations like you asked me a few minutes ago, think about how many hard boiled expectations and thoughts and opinions people have of him without ever seeing him, you know, play entire six game stretches of a season before. I don't know that we've ever really seen that dynamic with anyone. And I guess it would have to be a famous last name for a kid to have even mattered as a sophomore in High school like you did.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, I can't think of one. I, I just cannot. I mean, obviously we don't cover up most kids in high school unless they're, you know, Tebow a little bit because he was part of the reality show back in the day. That may have been the one. And. But then he played right away, although he wasn't a full time starter probably in what, till year three. Right. So there's a. Yeah, like little sim.

[Noah]

That's it, huh? That's it. Any. Anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've been hyped and then they've started. It just so happens Texas had the situation they had.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah. And. And to. I think it was Nick Saban who was it who said, if he's so good, why was he the backup to a, to like a six round pick? And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow couldn't, you know, couldn't crack the code at Ohio State. I mean, heck, you go back and Josh feel, well, I mean, was it. Fields couldn't crack the code at Georgia because it's really hard to replace an incumbent who's a good, solid college quarterback regardless of your upside. So I don't, I don't actually buy that, that, that sort of argument. If, if you will. Speaking of Texas, they play Ohio State first game of the year, right? What, what, what should we. We know there's a lot we don't know. What do we know about the matchup?

[Noah]

You know that the caliber of athlete is going to be high level. Like that's where the floor is baked in pretty high on both of those teams. But I mean, there's one thing you can do and that's just, hey, I know they've recruited top five classes, all right? And then you're viewing that from 50,000ft, you could zoom in maybe 20,000ft and you could go buy a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with the names. Or you could zoom in in the weeds and know, hey man, Texas has already had attrition on its offensive line, an offensive line that they already had to backfill departing starters to the NFL draft because of. And that could be an issue. Now, it could be that if they remain unscathed the rest of the way, they're okay. But I mean, Texas is already in a position where they can't afford any more attrition really along the offensive line. Now, I say that, Doug, and if you were to hit the rewind button on me, I would have been saying the Same thing about Notre Dame this time last year. And they go into College Station Week 1 against what should have been a ferocious edge rush and they win. And then they keep on suffering attrition and keep on reloading at offensive line and they go on to play for a national title. So really what it comes down to is not so much the players you're going to have, and I don't say that to mean players don't matter. Players are everything. I trust that you recruited and I request, I trust that you developed and Texas did not hit the portal in the offensive line, by the way. And I was there in the spring and I can tell you firsthand, looking them in the eye, they trust the guys they have in house. Did you coach your tail off well enough? Like, did you get your team ready? Did you prepare? And also then from my viewpoint, I'm sitting over here on the other side of the lens. I've got to ask myself, is it possible I see a totally different version of either of those teams week one than I will week nine? The answer is almost a definitive yes. So you got to be careful not to fly off the handle because everyone's going to go into that thing. You know as well as I do that Saturday morning, everyone's going to say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game. It could be 33 to 10, someone could be minus four turnovers. There's no guarantee that that's going to be a great game. I'll probably go. So I trust that it will be. But you just got to be careful, man. That knee jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous poison to drink. In week one.

[Doug Gottlieb]

There's a bunch of really interesting college football programs. Last year I thought Oklahoma was the most interesting. And they, you know, you go and get a kid who's supposed to be the next, you know, God in cleats, Heisman Trophy winner and he started all the first, what, three games? And then they pull him. Now he's, he's somewhere else in the sec. What happens with Oklahoma this year?

[Noah]

I am sky high on them. I mean, that's the one where I'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bets. I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be a top 10 caliber team. Now, I say that statement absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult. But I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program last year. I believe they had a terminal flaw in, in a program in the roster that was otherwise built to win. And they have addressed that emphatically And I'll tell you what else they did. Not only did they go get John Matier at quarterback and his offensive coordinator, Arbuckle comes in. Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit me up and say, I don't know if you know that guy or not, but he's a stud. He's the real deal. So I trust them. I trust him. I legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year. But absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt last year, should be good to go this year. They really attacked wide receiver in the portal and they overhauled there. They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end, I think in the portal defensively. And they, they acknowledged and addressed some of the issues, but they didn't have many. Doug. They needed to address one core issue and they did. Those are three top 10 recruiting classes stacked on top of each other. Those are three top 10 portal classes stacked on top of each other. I think they are very, very primed to be the surprise team in the SEC this year. And they get Michigan and Auburn at home two of, I think the first four weeks of the year. I expect them to go into the Red river gaming. It's Texas, undefeated.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Wow. Especially after, after Michigan. That would be. The hype would be insane in the Red river rivalry. Josh Bates, our guest. I'm Doug Gottlieb, filling for Collins the Hurt. Fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Caleb Williams in and they start to set the world on fire. And then all of a sudden, oh boy, oh boy, they start, they start to remodel. Where are they?

[Noah]

Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are. Lincoln Riley, it's so funny. His name was tied to the LSU job and then he takes the USC job and then Brian Kelly takes the LSU job. Both of those guys made critically wrong decisions hiring at the outset and they suffered for it defensively. Both of them addressed it and they addressed it properly. They both hired the right way defensively. They got the right guys in the building last year. Each place you saw an uptick in production. I expect a full hockey stick effect there again this year. I expect a lot more scaling of defensive numbers. That's why whether you know it's Garrett Nussmeier at LSU or whether it's my office at usc, I don't need those guys to go win games single handedly. I don't need them to hang 40 like Cam Ward had to do last year at Miami. The Question I asked at USC when I was out there this spring is, do you have the bodies on the line of scrimmage? Because that's what it'll always come down to eventually. I mean, you're going, you're going to Eugene, Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule, you're going to play Ohio State or Penn State in December. I mean, that's really where you're going to have to win the game. And you know, Lincoln, Riley, teams have not been known for that, both sides of the ball. But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically. Which brings me to rewinding about, oh, 16 or 17 months. When he stood there in that building after the 2023 season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about this program. And I said, if he means it, this is a new day at usc. Okay, so then they lost a bunch of one possession games last year. That still could be evidence that they're on the right track. If they are on the right track. My point is this year it will manifest itself. And this year they'll compete for the Big Ten championship. And if they don't, patience will be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame people if they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce after this year, I think they'll be closer. This year it's going to be the one possession game stuff all over again though. It's just which side are they on?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Sure. Josh Pate, of course, you may know Pate State. He travels all around the country, covers college football with his college football show. He joins us in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for calling here on a Friday, soon to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple weeks away. Paid State, synonymous with Penn State. James Franklin has done an incredible job, first at Vanderbilt, then at Penn State loading up with talent. But what's missing is big wins. This has got to be the year, right? I mean this has got, got to be the like again. I know no one, everybody knows know what they have, they know what they have at quarterback and they know they got a lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has got to be the year, doesn't it?

[Noah]

Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said. I'm a believer that high expectations, totally fair. If all the investment that's been asked by the Coaching staff has been given, and James Franklin's got everything he needs, and they're not shying away from it. Man, I'm gonna. I'm probably gonna do a show from up there in a couple of weeks, and I guarantee you we'll have him on the show. And I guarantee you he'll look dead in that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year. That is their attitude. And I'll tell you this, if you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, hey, up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters, you would think, as a casual fan. Well, they went to, like, the semifinal last year, so certainly the doubt has subsided, right? No, it hasn't at all Cost. The two pillars in the doubt tree there were you can't beat the big boys and you can't go win a national championship. Well, they got a shot against Ohio State. They lost. They got a shot against Oregon. They lost. They went to the playoff. They beat SMU and Boise, which a hater would tell you they should have done. And the hater is right, by the way. And then they got a shot against Notre Dame, and they lost. So even though they went to the semifinal last year and it feels like they broke new ground, they really didn't. So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's coming to your house. You got the white out. It's not a noon kickoff. There's no excuse. You need to beat them in week five. You got a bye week before that, and they have to travel to you with a new quarterback. By the way, you're going to go to Ohio State later in the year. You better have at least split those games. You better be in Indianapolis. You need to win the Big Ten championship. You need to go deep in the playoff and beat someone who lines up across from you, who recruits the same caliber athlete you do. If you don't, the window's not closed for you to win 10 games. I'm a believer James Franklin could do that forever up there. But there probably is a window to win a championship there. And you're right. This is the year. They got to do it this year.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Josh, great stuff, dude. We're just couple weeks away. Couple weeks away. It's getting closer and closer. I know. Your show is getting more and more intense. Thanks for being our guest. Look forward to seeing the road and always appreciate Pace Day. Join us.

[Noah]

I appreciate it, brother.

[Doug Gottlieb]

All right, that's Josh Page. Check him out on YouTube. Of course, you know the Josh Pate Show. I'M Doug Garabin for calling. Let's get you to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, turn on the news.

[Noah]

This is the Herd line news.

[Ryan Music]

All right, Doug.

[Noah]

Hello, Ryan.

[Doug Gottlieb]

What do you have, sir?

[Ryan Music]

Plenty of great college football discussion there. So we're going to turn our attention.

[Doug Gottlieb]

To some football meat sandwich.

[Ryan Music]

That's right. We're going to go a little NFL here. Steelers having quite the off season in training camp. Obviously the Aaron Rodgers will he, won't he saga. Now we know he will at least be on the Steelers T.J. watts contract extension. That's done. But now we can add defensive lineman Cam Hayward to the mix. Not fully participating in training camp until he gets an adjusted contract. That's the latest. The 36 year old was both a Pro Bowler and an All Pro last season. So he's still producing at a high level. His current deals has him set to be the 18th highest paid D tackle in the league.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Which ironically enough is probably about right right now. Right. Like he's still really good. Is he super, super league? No. And again, this is a guy who he wants, you know, a long term extension. I think that the Steelers are a team that probably doesn't budge a ton. My guess is he gets another year and a little bit more money. But this goes counter to everything the Steelers have done, which is all in on this year. Aaron Rodgers one year, bunch of deals they've done. They want to win now. So I'll be interested to see how they, how they manage this thing. My guess is they tack on another year and they move some money around. So they take away, they free up some cap money for this year and put some on next year.

[Ryan Music]

Yeah, it's Colin has his scale of teams that he believes in versus how noisy they are leading up to the season. There's a lot of other factors at Pittsburgh to where Colin's been very public about why he's not really buying what they got going on there. But I think this would also lend itself to another one of those things. A whole lot of noise for Pittsburgh this entire off season. Now you could argue maybe some of that noise was a good thing. Certainly having TJ Watt on your team is a good thing. Acquiring a player like DK Metcalf is a good thing. Whatever you think of Aaron Rodgers at this point in his career, I think we could agree that he's mostly an upgrade over what they have had at quarterback over the past couple seasons. But from someone like Collins perspective, a whole lot of noise. All right, tough news.

[Doug Gottlieb]

And they're not. They're not a team that's built for the noise either. The other part of college respective.

[Ryan Music]

All right, tough news for you, Doug, and your Chargers. All Pro left tackle Rashawn Slater out for the season after tearing his patellar tendon in training camp practice. Slater had just signed a contract extension making him the highest paid offensive lineman in the league. And he was the second highest graded tackle by Pro Football Focus last year.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, it's. I mean, it was. The good news is like, they did draft Joe Alt so you can replace him with Joel, who can play that left side. The bad news is that they have to. They thought they had bookend tackles for the next 10 years.

[Ryan Music]

Yeah.

[Doug Gottlieb]

So.

[Ryan Music]

They had their, they had their struggles with sort of the interior offensive line last year. So you were hoping to have Slater on the left side. Joe Alt continuing to improve on a good rookie season. On the right side, they brought in Makai Becton, who made huge leaps after being mostly a bust with the jets, but then moved to guard with the Eagles last year and played well in spots. So you were sort of hoping that they were on the upward swing to getting that O line sort of fortified, but this unfortunately has them now trending back in the other direction to where you're plug in to fill holes. And anybody who knows Jim Harbaugh and has seen the style of his teams over the years knows how important that physical nature of the offensive line is. And an unfortunate setback for those Chargers. And Rashad Slater, it, it, it is.

[Doug Gottlieb]

You know, in typical Charger fashion, they'll be in the playoffs and they'll be like, hey, he's close. Maybe he plays next week before they lose that. That's actually the most typical Charger thing or late in the season. Right. They're coming up on week 18. Like, you know, if they get to the playoffs, Sean Slater could come back and it doesn't happen because they don't get there. That's classic Charger.

[Ryan Music]

We'll wrap up with this. The Bills currently, along with the Ravens, have the best odds to win the super bowl right now. But for Buffalo, in order to try and bring home that Lombardi Trophy, they'll need their starting running back, James Cook, currently a hold in for a new contract. Here's what Josh Allen had to say about James Cook. James is one of the best running backs in the league. We desperately want him out there with us. Hopefully we can get something done. So the Bills looking to bring back James Cook, Josh Allen at least hopes that it's going to be sooner rather than later as they try to surmount what seems to be the unsurmountable mountain of getting past Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the postseason.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Did you go unsurmountable? Isn't it insurmountable? Or is it unsurmountable also acceptable? But I love that.

[Ryan Music]

Well, I think it's insurmountable. I'm not sure exactly what I said.

[Doug Gottlieb]

You said unsurmountable. But it's interesting. No one ever surmounts. It's only insurmountable. Like we surmounted that. Yeah. You know, listen, there's a big challenge. We surmounted it. Don't worry. Nope. Only time we ever use it is insurmountable. It's a great, great, great get by you. That's right. Music with the news.

[Noah]

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the herd lie news.

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Doug Gottlieb in for calling this the hurt FOX Sports Radio iHeartradio app. Welcome in. Hey, I was. I was watching last night or actually listening to some Major League Baseball discussion and watching some highlights and talking about things, and I saw the Pirates, who. They're not terrible, right? They're not good, but they're not like Rockies level bad, but they're 50 and 66. Okay, for. For perspective. Okay, for perspective, in their division, they're dead last. Okay. The Cardinals are 58 and 58, so they're in a very difficult division, but they're not below the Braves or the Nationals, who have kind of bizarrely fallen off. But it's not like there's a ton of hope there. And they're a team that, you know, run differential wise, it's not terrible. I think The Nationals are minus 148 and run differential. The Pirates are minus 52. That's not. The Rockies are minus 316. It's not just that they're 30 and 84. They're just. They get eviscerated for much of the season. So they're competitive. But there is that. There is going to be that question, right? Paul Skeens. You guys want to take a guess? Music what do you think Paul Skeens makes?

[Ryan Music]

Just ballpark, man, it's got to be pretty low. I'M going to go with, like, $3 million. Are you talking about just this season, not his total contract.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Just this season?

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Music]

I'm gonna go like three or four million dollars.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Okay. Tui, you want to. You want to get in on this? Yeah. I'm going to say it's closer to a million, maybe a little less. Ryan, do you. Well, which. Which is it like, again? Give me a number that you think he makes, and I'll tell you. I'll say a million. Okay. Ryan.

[Noah]

1.5 million.

[Doug Gottlieb]

1.5 million. If this was the Price is Right, all of you won't. No, it's. What's. What. What's the sound when you go over. Forget what the sound is. It's not. That's the actual theme song. $875,000.

[Noah]

There you go.

[Doug Gottlieb]

875. So you were right, Dewey. Only you're not supposed to go over. But nonetheless, point is, there it is. And I'm sure at some point the Pirates are going to go and try one of those deals where, hey, we're going to throw out for you 15 years at $500 million. And Skeens is. I don't know what you do, but. But here's the question. Like, I'm not a. You have a great player. He's going to be a great player. And I. I not mention this because I would ever wish this upon any human being ever. But he is a pitcher, and he hasn't had his Tommy John yet. Right. So you're sitting there going like, okay, is. Is that inevitable? And as music pointed out, I'm a Charger fan. I'm also an angel fan, and I've never been a trade Trout guy. And now I think that ship has sailed. You know, Trout's had so many injuries, he's got a spinal issue. I don't. I don't think he's. I think he's tradable. But Shohei Ohtani, you go back, what, a year and a half ago, season and a half ago, and yeah, you should trade him. You're going to lose him. Skeins, I don't think you think you're going to lose, or at least not in the. Any in the near term. But let's not act like the whole world comes out. Look, when he started against Misarowski in Milwaukee and they sold the place out, that was great. Two young star pitchers, amazing. But they're 26 in attendance, so even if they show up every fifth day to see Paul Skeens pitch and he doesn't Pitch every fifth day in Pittsburgh. It sounds like it helps him that much. I don't think this is the off season, but I do think that, like, if next year there's not a turn, there's not a 500 in their finish, and. And he's healthy, isn't that the time that you go like, hey, we'd love to have you now? If you're going to trade schemes, you can't do for prospects, you got to do for players. And I think the issue with that is, well, if you do it for players, well, you're. You only go after Paul Ski. If you're trading for Paul Skeens. You're going to only go after Paul Skeens if you know you're going to. You think you're one star pitcher away from going to the playoffs or winning a World Series. And if you do that, you're not going to deplete your team. That's the problem with it in baseball. Almost every trade is for prospects because if you do player for player, you're not going to do pitcher for pitcher. I just. I don't even know how you do it, how you pull it off, how you'd value him. But I do think at Pittsburgh, you sit there and go, like, now's not the time. But at some point in time, you can't sit there and be the Angels and get nothing in return for Shohei Ohtani. Just like if you're the Pirates. Hasn't been hurt. He's been spectacular. Here's how spectacular. Yesterday against the Reds. The first time in his career. Give it up. 7 hits in a start. 47 starts. He didn't give up a run. Didn't give a run. I mean, he's just. The guy's ridiculous. He's so good. So good. But, yeah, only $875,000, so. Which I wonder if any pitchers come out and they're going to do the WNBA thing and say, the. The janitor makes more money than me. The janitor. All right, let's get back to some football coming up next time. So go and do a little quick study of your favorite quarterbacks from the last 15 years in the National Football League. What do they have in common? The Manning family thinks there's one thing that they have in common that will lead Arch Manning to being successful. What is that one thing that combines so many different talents, so many different styles? We'll discuss it next. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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